The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Boxing with Chris Mannix - The Future of Vergil Ortiz

Episode Date: July 7, 2023

Mannix and Sergio Mora discuss Vergil Ortiz’s shocking withdrawal from his title fight with Eimamtas Stanionis and if his battle with rhabdo could force Ortiz to retire. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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the adopted Irishman himself, who overtook. 12 largely one-sided rounds attempted to will young Jason quickly to victory over Edgar Berlanga last month. It earned him the endearment of all Irish everywhere. So, Sergio, welcome to my motherland. Welcome to Ireland. It's my island, as the mad Irishman said in the movie Braveheart Manix. You're Irish, you should appreciate that. The fighting Irish, the fighting spirit, I appreciated what I saw in Quigley's performance.

And yeah, man, I mean, I may have overpraised them. But when you're a fighter, you must respect. When a fighter's supposed to be blown out of the water, he's already been knocked out before by lesser competition and lesser punchers, Quigley followed the game plan. I may have overpraised them, but as a fighter, I got to respect that. He won three rounds. Four, in my opinion. even if you grant that you were talking during that fight like Jason Quigley was

I even believe you used the word masterclass at one point no I didn't say masterclass no you maybe you did you I remember this because I have never to bring people behind the curtain I have never screamed so loudly into the talk back button as I did during this fight because I didn't want to get into it with you over and over again but you said I think after the seventh round and a you this phrase. He tamed the beast. He said tame the beast. He was down like five rounds to two at that point, but you said that Jason Quigley had tamed the beast. Hey, listen, whenever you're knocking out everyone in the first round, you're a beast, correct? Like Berlanga, 16 straight

knockouts, first round. I've done it in four fights, though. Okay, but not in the four fights because of level of opposition. By that definition, Daman Nicholson tamed the beast. Hey, listen, if you can go the distance. Romer Angulo, tame the beast. Yeah, you know what, if you can go the distance. Cossaris tamed the beast. If you, Cossarys actually did tame the beast. She knocked down Berlang and hurt him. Ten more seconds because Sarah's would have won that fight. But look, yes, I got a little carried away. You got to understand, Mannix.

I'm a fighter and I'm a broadcaster now. So as a fighter, I'm impressed by what I'm seeing and I've got to give credit to fighters like Quigley. But as a broadcaster, I also got to, you know, also got to check my emotion. Here's my problem. You get the equivalent. Every time you see a fighter,

that throws a jab and moves a little bit, you get the equivalent of a boxing erection. Because that is how you fought. And this show is sponsored by CEL, ladies and gentlemen. Blue Chew. No, because that's how you fought. Like, you were one of the best at sticking and moving, using your jab.

That's how you won the contender, became a world champion. So anytime you see even the slightest, trace of that, you get a boxing erection. Because I respect it. Whenever I see guys like, you know, fighters like Brad Solomon, who I thought was doing well. I forgot about Brett Solomon. Who's doing well against Virgil Ortiz. I got to give

him credit. Whenever, you know, I see fighters that are doing well against Triple G, you know, I got to give them credit. Against Canelo, I got to give them credit. It takes a lot to extinguish the power and the and the ferocity of a puncher.

And, you know, usually guys that don't have power that our knockout artists control that better. They know how to deal with that power. So, yes, I had to give Quigley some. My only problem with that was I never once thought Quigley was going to win the fight. I thought he was doing, no, but during the fight, I didn't think he was going to win it. Like, I thought he was throwing a decent jab. But as soon as the punch numbers came up there, it was like Berlangen.

I never listen to the story of punch numbers. They don't tell the full story. They don't tell the full body of evidence, but they're a piece of evidence to use. It's one piece of a tool. The power numbers were vastly in favor. It's a tool for the layman fan to look and say, oh, wow, he threw 400 punches. But, I mean, fighters don't study copy box numbers and percentages. Oh, they don't, but it's a piece of evidence we can use as commentators do.

A piece of evidence you can use as a fighter. I know what I'm watching and I know what it's praised. Clearly, you don't know what you're watching because you're way over the top with Jason quickly. But, you know, it happens from time to time. Listen, I'm the guy that had Billy Joe Saunders up on Canello when that fight was stopped. There you go. We all have our... We're all human, man.

We're all human. We're here in San Antonio, and we were here to see a fight that didn't need copy box numbers necessarily. Didn't need judges necessarily. Virgil Ortiz versus Amontas Stanionis' secondary title on the line in the Welterweight Division. Sergio, this was going to be a rock and sock-em-sock-and-robot type of fight. You had two guys that were power punches, two guys that could finish, two guys that had power late in fights. And it was going to be special. until Wednesday morning, I should say Thursday morning,

when we found out that Virgil Ortiz needed to be hospitalized and he could not go ahead with this fight because of undisclosed issues at the moment while we record this. We believe it has some connection to the rhabdo illness that Ortiz has been dealing with over the last year and a half. It caused him to back out of his first, scheduled fight with Michael McKinson. It forced the postponement of this fight back in March, and it seemingly has had something

to do with this fight being either postponed or canceled. We're not exactly sure. So I guess right off the bat, Sergio, your reaction to Ortiz, Stani Onus, a fight that seems snake-bitten, because this is now the third time it's been called off in the last six months, your reaction of that. Third time is not a charm. Sometimes, you know, certain fights are just cursed from beginning. And this is one of them because, yes, it's a fight-of-the-year type fight.

We know that's the... Actually, I was kind of leaning towards Stani Onus. And a lot of fighters that I was listening to a lot of interviews by champions, they're actually leaning towards Stani Onus as well. I loved what I was watching in tapes when I was seeing. Just the jab, the body punches. How he gets in angles, he doesn't just come straight in aggressively like Ortiz. Ortiz has been evolving as.

well you know with the power jab and the and then taking that power jab to the body like it did against kalalowskis he was going to need that against any onus but this was going to be a serious train wreck of a boxing event and it's a damn shame that it had to get postponed but here's a thing mannickson i've been i've been here before i lost my title on the scales i looked like shit when i fought against mosley because i wasn't a 154 pounder virgil ortiz is not a welterweight anymore he's not a 147 pounder anymore he's known this for several fights now, but, you know, his youth and his hunger and the opportunities have kept them in that division, but this rabdo, I don't know exactly what it is, but I've never heard of it.

I've never seen or heard of any fighters suffer through this disease or infection or whatever it is. I have, in my career, seen fighters faint several times. I've almost fainted a couple of times. Lightheaded. From making weight, right? From trying to make weight. Exactly.

Because look, you know, making weight is a science, and you have to kind of, when you're young, you get away with it. But you have to kind of taper down at the right time to hit the mark on that Friday before that fight. And it's a science. And if you don't do it the way that you've planned on doing it, the way that you've been doing it since you're a kid as an amateur, it messes with your head, it messes with your body, the way your body reacts. And then it ultimately affects the, you need that fighting spirit. If you don't have, your head's not into it, your body's not in it. then you're not going to have the confidence, especially when it comes to the second half of the fight,

where you want to turn it on, but you're like, oh, wait a minute, how's my conditioning going to react? How's my legs going to react? I might as well just take it easy and risk winning a bad fight than losing a good one. And Ortiz wasn't going to be in a good fight. So I think it was the right decision for him as a fighter

to postpone this fight once again. But in the business sense of it, this is a totally different thing. promoters hate canceling main events in the last minute because the fans miss out, the network misses out, everyone that enjoys and loves this sport misses out, and it's a bad look, man. I've been there before, and if you do it one too many times, you don't get the opportunities like you used to get because you're not reliable. So you mentioned Rabdo and the mysteriousness around that illness.

People that listen to the Wednesday version of this podcast heard from Virgil Ortiz, who I talked to about a week or so ago in that interview. And I asked them specifically, for people that don't know, how would you describe what RABDO does to your body? Take a listen. All right. I'll explain it scientifically. So basically, my muscles start breaking down or whoever's happened to, the muscles start

breaking down. It starts like the muscles start secreting or whatever proteins to like your kidneys and your livers. And I mean, you need all organs to survive, but those are like some of the vinyl ones that there, you know? And for me, it just felt like my body was shutting down. Like my reflexes were going. My strength was going. Energy levels were going.

Just going up the stairs, like a seven-step stairs. It was a task. I would literally get short of breath after doing that. And, you know, obviously being a professional athlete, that's not supposed to happen. And, of course, if I can't get up a flight of stairs without, you know, my breath going away, imagine me sparring and training the way I train, you know. And there was absolutely no way of me fighting. Trust me, if there was any chance, any sliver of it.

chance of me fighting those two times because this happened twice already. I would have fought, but it was impossible. So there's his explanation, Sergio. And obviously a follow-up to that is, you know, after two bouts of this and having to drop out of two fights, does Ortiz feel like he's got it under control? Does he feel healthy? I asked him that. I feel 100%. I'm just, I'm ready to go. I'm mentally and physically just ready. So let's play this out then. There are two ways to look at it. If this is connected to Rabdo,

this could be a situation, Sergio, where maybe Virgil Ortiz has to consider retiring. I mean, I know that's a strong statement, but if you're dealing with an illness that has forced you out of fights three times in the last year or so, that you clearly don't have a firm control over if it's connected to the reasons him back out of this fight. Doesn't it become career threatening?

Don't you look at that and say, you know, maybe this guy can't continue? He's 25 years old. Not only that, Mannix, but it's in his head now. So any time he starts training extremely hard in camp, he's going to have that in the back of his head. And like I said, you know, when a fighter starts thinking about weakness, it enters your spirit, it enters your stream, your bloodstream, man.

And let's go back on this rhabdo thing. If the little I read about it, proteins getting into your blood and then that can actually affect your organs. Man, that sounds dangerous. It is. You don't need to be a doctor to know that if anything is in your bloodstream. I mean, when you get blood taken out, if a little oxygen is in the needle and gets in your bloodstream, that could be hazardous. I can only imagine, you know, proteins and everything else that can go wrong. This is above my pay grade, manix, but it sounds dangerous.

And if Virgil Ortiz felt the need to cancel three times already, then yes, this is cause for concern not only for him as a human as a fighter, but for the promoters giving them this date, the people investing in him. This is a dangerous situation that it seems that he doesn't have control over. So, yeah, whether you like to admit it or not and say the word retirement, if this is going to be a continuing thing, hey, listen, man, God may have other plans for you and your health comes first. The reason I believe this is connected to that illness is because I was told earlier in the week, Ortiz was significantly overweight, you know, 7, 8 pounds over that 147 pound limit. And for a guy that young who has had so long to train, like this wasn't a fight that was scheduled quickly. I mean, Ortiz hasn't fought since last August.

He has been preparing for this fight for months. For him to be that, and you know, you've known him for years now. He's not the kind of kid that screws around. He works hard. Total professional. Yeah, he works hard. Like for him to be that old. overweight early in a fight week.

I mean, and I say this only half kiddingly, like you were overweight going into your fight week, but that's because your fight was sponsored by Caesar's Palace. Totally different. It's a totally different story altogether. Virgil Ortiz has been preparing for this fight, which is this is his forest one in a way. This is his title shot.

Like this is his opportunity to become a world champion to face the toughest opponent of his career. Like, there's no doubt in my mind. He was preparing as diligently as you possibly couldn't to be that heavy that early in the week that tells me something seriously wrong that tells me something is is messed up on your insides that's this isn't a guy that like has made 147 one too many times like if he came in like 148 like I'd be like oh maybe this should be a last fight at 147 maybe you shouldn't stay at welter way any longer but the fact that he's like in the 150s at the start

of fight week that doesn't make any sense to me is it to you no it doesn't and and this is where you got to go back to a history of a fighter and the resume of a fighter and what has he done in the past. Virgil Ortiz comes to perform. He comes to seek and destroy. He's fan friendly. He's building a fan base. Golden Boy loves him. They support him. Fans love him. He's a future champ.

He's guaranteed. So it's not like he missed weight. And then, you know, I've been known to really get on fighters that are over two, three pounds because then they didn't even try making weight. I guess Javier Fortuna was one fighter that I really got on because he had a history of that and that was just because of a responsibility and a lack of discipline this is not virgil ortiz he has a passion for fighting and performing he'll take he'll take on all comers he wants to fight bud crawford for god's sakes he'll fight anybody so you have to believe what he says and i believe

and respect his illness his sickness i respect everything that comes out of team ortees so we got to take him for his word i don't care if you you want to play the biggest hater and have the devil's advocate and bring up everything else? No. You listen to that young man because the proof is in the pudding. He's a born fighter and he's struggling with an illness. Brutal break for Stanionis, too, who hasn't fought since last April. He was on the Jordanus Ugas, Errol Spence undercard. That was back in April of 2022. So he's been off for 15 months. And, you know, I was talking to members of his team in the hotel lobby earlier today. And they were like, look, if it was a weight thing, we would have been happy to fight him at 150 or 152.

We just wanted to fight. There's a lot of money in the line for him. I've been on that flip side as well. You know, I was, I was supposed to fight Kelly Pavlik and Jermaine Taylor for a middleweight championship. Both those fights got canceled the week of the fight. I can only imagine getting canceled the night before the fight. It's so dispiriting. And if it happened already more than one time, three times for St.eonis, it's a waste of money in camp.

It's a waste of energy and making weight. It's a waste of mental focus. And these are all things that really, they really take it out of a fighter because you never know when that's going to happen again and when you're in the middle of a camp, middle of sparring you're like, should I keep going harder or should I just start tapering down now because you never know what's going to happen.

I mean, this is a livelihood and believe in man, if it happens more than once, you start losing the love and passion for training hard because you know that it can be taken away from you. You know, they're calling this a postponement, but they should just scrap it. You can't, you can't, make another fight with Virgil Ortiz right now, not a high-level fight.

I mean, you can't put someone through that. You know, if I thought about this already, Maddox, I think Golden Boy should make Stany Onus, Alexis Rocha. That's great fight. That's the fight, because Rocha has been climbing the ranks. He's been looking great. He's knocking on a title shot door. He wants to fight Bud Crawford as well.

I didn't think of that. That's a great fight. He's ranked highly, Alexis Rocha, baby, and that should be quickly. Tell Steyonis. Listen, stay in the gym. We're going to get you back in maybe, you know, next month or in the next two months. Stanyiola's team was like, we need to fight like next week or two weeks from now.

We got to get out. Like, you know, our guy needs to fight. He's been training hard for multiple months. He's had multiple postponements. Like, we got to get this guy back in the ring. I love the idea of Stanionis Rocha. I mean, that's two top contenders at 147 and, you know, another really good can't miss type of fight.

And we know Alexis Rocha has no problem stepping in, you know, when opportunity knocks. Hell no. He's done it before. He's done it before, and that's what he kind of lives for. So, yes, give me that fight. I love that fight, Rochustanio. All right, this card's going to go on on Saturday.

It's going to be headlined by Floyd Schofield, who is getting an interesting opportunity in this fight. Floyd's Goldfield, undefeated 135-pounder. We called the Floyd Schofield fight a couple of fights ago, Sergio. And he's impressive, got a lot of skills. I was more struck by his confidence. Floyd Schofield and his father who trains him. both believe that he is destined for greatness,

that he is the next big thing in all of boxing. He talked about fighting Devin Haney right away. He talked about fighting Shakur Stevenson right away. He's going to be the main event, which is an opportunity for him to headline, so he's going to be able to take advantage of that. What do you make of Floyd Schofield? Do you think he has the goods to back up all that talk?

So far so good. He gives me similar impressions at Devin Haney. you know they were kind of you know destined for greatness they spoke about you know being a champion a young they have all the talent in the world and they have the look they have that look not only the look but the name

you know they have the name you know uh Floyd Schofield the Schofield kid that's what I would call him not the Scofield's a gun you know that right yeah I got it I like that so he's a young gun man and I think I think you could promote him well Golden Boy has something special with him and

and um flashes of Devon Haney. That's what I see with him. Well, there'll be some decent fights on the show. Jojo Diaz back in action at 135. Marlon Esparsa in a title unification fight going for three belts in the 112-pound division. So it will be an interesting show, I think, on Saturday here in San Antonio Tex. But which is the best for Virgil Ortiz. Before I let you go, Sergio, it was announced on Thursday that we have a heavyweight fight between Anthony, Joshua, and Dillian White.

This is a rematch of a 2015 fight. won by knockout by Anthony Joshua. Both these guys have fallen on some hard times as of late. Joshua's got the two losses to Alexander Usik. You've got Dillion White who's been knocked out in two of his last four fights, albeit at a pretty high level, Alexander Poveckin and of course Tyson Fury. The reason I like this fight is because it feels very winner go home for both guys to me. Like if Anthony Joshua loses, is he really going to rebuild at 33 years old?

No way. If Dillian White loses, is he really going to stick around for? to become a gatekeeper for Jared Anderson. Maybe. But look, I don't think either one of these guys will, not for the money it's likely going to be offered. So it feels like a big fight, O2 Arena, August 12th, live on DeZone and DeZone pay-per-view. But it does feel like to the winner goes the spoils, that is a potential lucrative payday against Deonté Wilder in December or January. To the loser, maybe a seat on the couch, the broadcast booth, something, because it doesn't feel like there's many

places for the loser to go. How do you look at it? Yeah, it's definitely a winner going home. For Dillion White, you know, he's been here before. He's already been stopped. He's been to the top and he's come up short, but he's still good enough to compete with top contenders. He still makes a lot of money. And then he climbs back up. When he got knocked out in 2015, he won what? Ten straight fights winning against solid competition. He earned. He earned his his championship fight against Pavecun got knocked out came right back and won so the guy is great to watch he has the goods he has the talent and in that fight with joshua he rocked joshua he really hurt joshua i think it was a left hook uh but he has a he has a long reach he has the power and he can

take a big punch uh dillian white's going to be very dangerous dangerous fight for joshua because both these guys aren't are a shell of what they used to be and i tell you all the time once a fighter gets knocked out and they get chiny from there on so expect both these fighters to get chiny as soon as they get touched by something big and something big will land these guys are just too damn big at six foot four plus and 250 plus for them not to hurt each other so it might not be the the heavyweight bonanza fight that you want you know with all the the great names that are a heavyweight but you're still going to watch i think it's the best you're still going to watch it's probably the most the best most makeable fight out there for both these guys.

I mean, we're thinking about it and talking about it in the U.S. In the U.K., it's a big fight. It's going to sell out O2 Arena. That's going to do a good number on pay-per-view. There's going to be a lot of bad blood in the weeks leading up to it. Those two guys do not like each other one bit. So I think it'll be interesting in that respect. I think it'll be interesting, as you said, in the ring,

because both these guys are kind of still open to the exact same shots that hurt them the last time. Like, AJ against Stilion White won in 2015. AJ got shook by a big left. took from Dillion White. That's the same punch, or kind of the same punch. Andrew Ruiz hit him at AJ with. And AJ's been hit with that shot, you know, a couple of times since then. Meanwhile, Dillian White still gets hit by every upper cut in the books.

So, AJ is still going to have that available to him. I think it's high drama, at least, in that fight. They're not the same level of skill that they were back in 2015. They both got a little bit more, a little bit more worse for wear over the last few years. Little long in the tooth. A little long in the tooth. That's a good way to put it. but I think it's a good fight.

And I like the fact that AJ's taking it, because I think AJ needs another fight with his new trainer, Derek James. And for Dillian, where else is he going to go? Like, you know, there's only so many Germain Franklin's you can fight before you need to get that big fight.

And it was obvious that a wilder fight wasn't going to materialize, another Andy Ruiz fight wasn't going to materialize. AJ was that fight for him, and that's a big domestic fight over in the UK. Yeah, it is. And like I said, people are going to watch because there's just too big punt.

punchers and they're both susceptible to getting knocked out. Someone will get knocked out in that fight. And who doesn't like to see a heavyweight knockout? Whether it's Joshua or it's an upset with White, you're going to watch something, you know, we're going to expect a knockout or we're going to watch that. All right. Well, we will be back on Saturday in San Antonio, AT&T Center.

No Ortiz, Danny Ours with Floyd Schofield will be in action. Sergio and I will be ringside on DeZone. Adam, on the way out, give us a little drop kick Murphys, for our favorite Irishman, for the new man of the motherland. Sergio Amora, adopted Irish. We love you there, man. It's my island.

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