The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Boxing with Chris Mannix - The Trouble with Tank

Episode Date: December 30, 2022

Chris is joined by former Champ Sergio Mora to discuss the Latest w/Tank (and should Ryan get another fight lined up?), the great debate for Fighter of The Year, and can Franco pull off the win against Ioka? Later, Justin Fenton stops by to dive into the legal issues surrounding Tank. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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When you have talent, you are given another chance. Here's Chris Manix. Before we begin this episode. episode of boxing with Chris Manix, Sergio Mora has a statement he'd like to read. I, Sergio Mora, have decided to return to your struggling podcast for the sake of your rabid and famished boxing fans in dire need of my boxing knowledge coming from the sweet scientist and a former champion in myself. And for that reason, I am back. You're just bored. I'm a lot of things, Maddox. The board ain't one of them. I mean your kids are around all

week it's christmas vacation i'm not bored i'm just you know i i'm antsy you want to find another word for it i'm struggling i'm struggling i'm struggling like your ratings sergey amora the former junior middleweight title holder de zone broadcaster champion not title holder champion i beat a champion wall a title holder is you pick up a vacant strap i beat a champion to become a champion you did rephrase that please sergey amora who beat vernon forest before forking over his title three months later because he spent too much time in Las Vegas is here, also DeZone Broadcaster, back after a month-long hiatus to join the show. We get a lot to get into today, though, Sergio, because it's been a tough week in boxing.

And I want to begin with the news that broke on Wednesday, which is that Jervante Davis was arrested in Parkland, Florida on charges of domestic violence. According to a police report, Gervante struck a woman on the side of her face, causing a cut on her lip. This was not a woman that lived at his home. We don't know the identity because there are laws against that. Gervante allegedly did that. The woman, there's a 911 call that was released where the woman was screaming. He's going to kill me. Gervante on Instagram, Post, which as we record this has been deleted, has denied these allegations. As of right now, as we record this, the fight Giovante has scheduled for January 7th against

Hector Luis Garcia is proceeding as planned. So, Sergio, not the first time Gervante Davis has been involved in domestic violence. Give me your reaction to what happened with Tank. Well, you touched on it. It's not the first time. In 2020, he was accused of something similar. An ex-girlfriend. We all saw that video, him at a basketball game.

When he got physical with another woman, I believe it was the mother of his children. I don't know. But we've seen it before. So the history is there. The record is there. So you can't deny the fact that Tank has anger issues. He said it already on record, that he has anger issues. lot of fighters have anger issues but fighters that are on the championship level know how to

control that their issues their emotions they know how to check all that when it comes that's what makes some great fighters but then you got to all that needs to be compartmentalized in order to live like a normal human being like a man you know like a like a father like a husband whatever it is a provider you know he has a record And it's something that can't be denied even by his own team because the record and the proof is there. He's admitted that he has issues with his anger. And he's been physical with other women before. And it's a damn shame because he's at the brink of becoming something, you know, he can transform himself after that Ryan Garcia fight.

If he can win that fight into something even more special. but it's a damn shame that this reputation is just going to be a burden for him because he's not being able to shake it off. You can't shake off something that we've seen with our own two eyes on video and already multiple women have come on and said that he's abusive.

No matter how many statements he releases, it's already there. Yeah, Giovante's in his statement on Instagram said he would never do it. Well, you've lost the benefit of the doubt for the public if you're Giovante Davis because there is that video that you referenced where Gervante grabbed his then-girlfriend by the neck

and pulled her out of the arena. Police say that he even hit her afterwards behind the scene some video suggesting that happened. And then a year later, Sergio, Gervante, or it was actually months later from that incident, Gervante was in a car accident where he drove his brand-new Lamborghini through a red light, hit another vehicle injuring four people,

including a pregnant woman who insured. September said to a judge, she looked Gervante in the eyes and said, please help me, and he fled the scene. Like, this is a case still pending. He's got a court date on this in February. Jervante has done some reprehensible things over the last few years. This is the latest involvement. We don't know exactly what happened there, but I know I've stopped giving Gervante Davis

the benefit of the doubt in these types of situations. The question is it comes to boxing, Sergio, because this is, you know, there's a decision. that needs to be made by showtime by people involved in the davis hector garcia fight should this fight move forward your opinion no fighter okay well absolutely not roly romero was canceled when he was going to fight uh tank davis because of an accusation not an arrest an accusation tank davis got arrested for battery for physical assault this is on record on his file you cannot let this show go on because They already, showtime and the network's already set a precedent there.

You do bad. You're going to get canceled. They did it to Roli Romero. They should do it with their star. And it's a shame because, you know, I believe in innocent into proven guilty. I didn't think Roli Romero, and I was on record with you on Javs saying, I don't think they should have canceled that fight either, you know, because that was her side of the story, innocent until proven guilty.

But if they canceled that fight, they should cancel tanks fight as well. well because you can't allow one to go through just because they're not as big of a star as another. It's just, it's not right. The accusation, the arrest is there, the police report, it has to get canceled. Yeah, this will be a test for Showtime and its parent company CBS because it's one thing to bounce Roly Romero. He's just Roly Romero. You can get a replacement for him, which they did.

He's not the cash cow in that particular fight. It's another thing to bounce Jervante Davis. Showtime's done the last 11 Jervante Davis fights. They have stuck by him even after that video came out, Sergio. That video, that was as damning a piece of evidence as you're going to see against someone. And Showtime stuck by him. And they continue to do his fights. Here you have another example of domestic violence.

And arrest was made. There's a 911 call, which I think is terrible. People, if you haven't listened to that, it's bad. I don't know if they have much of a choice, but to walk away from this. Because if they don't, like any credibility a network like CBS or Showtime has about investigating and caring about domestic violence, it goes out the window. Because, you know, in a way, Jervante Davis is on the Showtime payroll, right? Like he's their fighter. They're pouring millions into his pocket.

They're promoting him. They're advocating for him. They're televising him. I don't think they have any other choice in this situation. But to scrap this fight and let the judicial system play. layout. And if they let this, if I continue, they're enabling them. And this is what happens with bad boys, not only in boxing, but in any sport, you know, you get these kids from urban areas that make millions and millions of dollars. And then when they get in trouble, they don't

get the book thrown at them like a normal, a kid off the street. They get protected by fancy attorneys, by networks, by lawyers, by their team, their management, their PR, and good for them. They have the money to do that. But whenever you already set, like I said, a precedent, they already did that with Roli Romero on an accusation. Now this is an arrest. You can't go backwards from there. You can't clean this up with a PR machine. You have to look it in the face and say, man, yeah, we got to bite the bullet on this one, man. We got to, we have to postpone this. At least postpone it. But if not cancel it, but something needs to be done because it's going to be a terrible, look for for everyone involved in this fight if it proceeds because not only will I could see

protests going on outside and and and you know like a whole movement getting together if stuff something like this is allowed to continue it's another black guy for the sports I wrote about this over at SI this week you know other sports are not perfect on the issue of domestic violence in fact most of them have something of a checkered past I remember back in the 1990s where there were NFL players, Dan Wilkerson is one I wrote about who were accused of some reprehensible things. There was no punishment leveled. Jason Kidd in the early 2000s. He pled no contest, a spousal abuse.

There was no punishment by the NBA. Even Kobe, like, if you think back to 2003, Sergio, like Kobe was accused of rape back then. Never convicted, but accused, arrested, went to trial for rape. He was flying around the country, you know, dropping in on his own trial in Colorado. or for hearings while he was playing in the NBA. So mainstream sports leagues have not been perfect on this, but they're getting better, right? Like they're coming, when incidents like this come up, they're coming down harder on those involved in it.

Deshawn Watson with the NFL, never criminally charged, but he got an 11-game suspension from the league. I'm following one right now, Miles Bridges with the Charlotte Hornets, who was arrested and charged and pled no contest to one count of domestic violence. He has not landed back in the league yet, but when he does, he's going to face probably a 25 game suspension. Boxing's got to catch up. Boxing has not shown... What do you mean it needs to catch up?

It doesn't show it cares. It hasn't shown it cares about domestic violence. It doesn't care. We've seen this before with Mike Tyson, you know, back, and we've seen it with several, several champions. Floyd Mayweather in 2012 was licensed just weeks after he pled and agreed to an 87-day prison sentence are beating the mother of his wife, his kids. Not only fighters, athletes, like you said,

not only basketball fighters, athletes. And, I mean, this ain't the 1950s anymore, man. This ain't the honeymooners to the moon, Alan, whatever name was. You can't play that anymore, man. I mean, there's just too much to lose now, and we're not in those times anymore. This is something that needs to be nipped in the bud immediately.

And if you enable any athlete in any sport by sweeping it on the rug with high-powered attorneys and PR machines and just a slap on the wrist, then it's going to happen again because then you're setting that example that if I'm big enough, I'm popular enough, I can get away with this and it shouldn't be that way. I agree.

If you're Ryan Garcia to kind of spin it forward a little bit, what are you thinking right now? Go straight into that fight. Go straight into that fight with Tank because not only is it going to be, look, Ryan Garcia has that cookie cutter, good-looking, clean-cut image of, you know, pretty boy that can really hurt you. But if you're Ryan, aren't you worried, like, that there

isn't going to be a fight? Like, I don't know if there's going to be a fight. He should keep calling him out because he's the... Hold on. Yeah, but like, this is going to be good boy versus bad boy. I get, I get the cell for it, Surgery. Don't get me wrong. And Ryan Garcia has been among those who have publicly criticized Tank for some of his behavior towards women. But if you're Ryan, can you count on Tank Davis being available? You forget this. There was a, there's a February 16th court date for Tank Davis where he can wind up going to do. jail or serving home confinement. Like, should Ryan Garcia be counting on Jervante Davis to be available in April?

Because Ryan could look around, Sergio, come February or March and not have a fight. Yeah, and this is where promoters that are savvy of what they do and Golden Boy promotions, they have excellent matchmakers that could have a substitute that's going to be similar. They were talking about Mercito Gesta, a short, Southpaw, aggressive Southpaw, just like Tank. So if they're planning to fight Tank, they could, they could have. have, Mercito Gesta on standby, on a payroll, just in case something happens, and that show won't go out the window. That's exactly what Ryan Garcia do, because he's at the perfect, he has a perfect opportunity

to be the good boy against the bad boy. Everyone loves that matchup. We know Ryan Garcia is already very popular, and we know that, you know, like in hip-hop, the more of a bad boy you are, the more popular you are. And sadly, in boxing, you know, it's similar like that. that if you have that bad boy reputation, you will get more following. So could you imagine this is just going to get more popular

on even tragic news like this? Because they want to see Jervante Davis get knocked out. They want to see them get beaten up. They want to see the bad guy lose. It's just, that's promotions, man. That's the way it is. I think Ryan Garcia should keep calling him out, keep doing what he's doing.

And maybe this time around, Tank Davis is going to have an opportunity. to go any other direction. He's going to have to face the music and face his kid because he doesn't want the bad publicity chasing him. If that fight happens, though, and I think if you're Ryan Garcia, you now have to operate like there's a good chance

that fight's not going to happen and plan your career accordingly, whether that means taking that fight against Mercito Gesta or just saying, I'm a full-fledged 140-pounder, I'm going to start targeting the Tea Fima Lopes's or the Regis Progras or the other top guys at 140. I think that thought has to at least cross your mind over these next couple of weeks.

If this fight against Hector Luis Garcia gets scrapped for Tank, if you're Ryan, you can't be banking on this guy being available. Look, I got a perfect example here. You get another aggressive power punching Saupaw champion in Rejay's pro great. Love that fight. I love that idea, Mannix. There you go. Ryan Garcia should go after Tank and if he can't get Tank, if he can't get, if Tank gets the book thrown at him at court and he's not available Very different type of finance Regis Pro Gray

They're both Southpaws But all they haven't come But they're both power punching aggressive south paws What's a difference? Regis is a little bit bigger And I'm not saying

I won't favor Ryan Garcia I won't favor Ryan Garcia against Rugo Roo either I won't favor Garcia over Tank And I've said it before I kind of do But I think it's close fine I think his first guy to land big wins

I've said that in the past All right let's move on End of the year right now Coming up on the close of 2020 your fighter of the year right now is who? Who is the best fighter of 2020? Fighter? Fighter of the year?

I already said it. Bam Rodriguez. I already said Bam Rodriguez. Look, Dimitri Bevo beat the number one fighter on the planet, but he was a bigger fighter fighting the smaller fighter. Bam Rodriguez moved up two weight divisions to beat two of the four kings. That is not what young 22-year-olds are meant to do. So not only is he ahead of the game, he fought three times this year.

He beat two of the best fly weights in the world. That's my fighter of the year, man. That's my fighter of the year. I get D'Nitri Bevo should be the favorite. But if you really look at the nuts and boats, Bevo was not a huge underdog. He was a 4-to-1 underdog against Canelo. Wow.

It's pretty big. Yeah, that is big. What are you talking about? He's a 4-1 underdog. I don't remember the odds, but I remember when we called that fight, I'm like, man, Beavle's going to be a headache. You think about it differently now.

People's going to be a headache. When we called the fight, absolutely. But you remember what Beval, was coming off. He was life for death against Craig Richards. He had that win over Salamoff in Russia. That wasn't very good. He was not heralded coming into that fight. And he goes in and forget the scorecards. He dominated Canello in that fight. That should have been 116, 112 at the minimum. That's the easy call. The easy call saying Dimitri Bivel and you won't be wrong. Why not go with the easy call then? And you won't be wrong. But you can't be wrong. You're speaking as a critic,

as a fighter, as as a media guy. I'm speaking as a fighter, how difficult it is to go up and weight to face these power punches like this at that age. At 22 years old, I couldn't even imagine fighting for a world title, man. I was still, you know, fighting guys my age. So that is what I'm considering. The fact that this kid is so gifted to be able to jump up in weight class and fight these men, these power punchers and make it look so easy. And look, I'm not taking nothing away from Bevo. He dominated the number one boxer in the world in Canelo Alvarez. And then he went out and dominated Zerdo Ramirez. Let me finish, man.

Don't be interrupting me, all right, I'm your guest. They haven't gotten there. And then he beat a undefeated tall Soppaul in Zudolo Ramirez. He dominated that fight. So yeah, look, you won't be wrong. But I just, I love Bam Rodriguez and what he did. He just bit off more than he can chew. And he chewed it. Shoot it and spit it out.

He chewed it. I was most impressed with Bands Win Over Soronga. Soronga Vassai came in with the reputation as the biggest puncher at 115 pounds and Bam went out there, took his best shots and knocked him out. Quadris was a very, very good win, knock Quadras down the third round, won a decision. I just think Bevo beating the number one pound for pound guy in Canelo Alvarez and following that up with beating the undefeated super middleweight champion, the 5-0 at light heavyweight, five straight knockouts, Zerto Ramirez, and beating him in the way he did, that fight wasn't

close either. The Canelo fight wasn't close. The Zerto fight wasn't close. Those are two decisive wins for Demetri Bebel. I think it's a clear-cut winner at this point. Clear-cut number two, by the way. Bam Rodriguez, I think there's no competition with the number two spot. The Bebel, to me, was number one.

And this is where the smaller weight divisions don't get as much attention as the heavier weight division. That's all it is, because if Bam-Rodriguez was the middle-weight, you might be thinking differently. So, yeah, so the bigger you are, the more attention you get, you know, you're fighting, Canelo so you're going to get more eyeballs on you so it just means more well I think too but pound for pound but pound for pound he Bam Rodriguez beat some legitimate power punching fighters he did lieway did guys that's not a big puncher quadris is probably the least puncher of the adress was physical in his fight with chocolatito he was I mean he he wrong so wrong the side knocked out a legend in chocolateitito I mean these are power punching fly

I tell you what, if Bam had fought four times in 22, or if in that third fight, fought somebody maybe at an even higher level, I'd probably have a tougher time making that decision. But that third fight, kind of uninspiring, you know, Israel Gonzalez. Gonzalez went the distance with Choradoido. Going the distance is not, like, what is that? What do you mean? What is that?

You want to reward a guy for that? Yes. Whenever you're going against a legend and you go to distance, absolutely. So should we reward you for going the distance with Shane Mosley? Absolutely. And Vernon Forrest twice. So I went 36 rounds with two great fighters. So damn right, Mannix.

Put pat yourself on the back. Right there. All right. I want to ask you about something Adrian and Broner said. Talking to our friend Sean Porter recently. Broner, I'm going to paraphrase here, indicated that one of the reasons he left PBC to sign this new deal with BLK Prime was because when he was discussing, you know, potential opponents,

potential paydays with Al Heyman. they wanted him to face, quote, Godzilla, in order to get the biggest paydays. Whereas BLK Prime doesn't really care who he fights. They're going to pay him whatever he wants regardless. I kind of scratched my head at that, Sergio, because shouldn't PBC's approach be how it should be, right? Like, if you want to get the highest paydays,

you've got to get the toughest fights. Broner right now is scheduled to face Ivan Redcatch in a fight in February. A fight that nobody is going to watch. Nobody, nobody is going to watch Broner Redcatch on pay-per-view on BLK Prime. No shot whatsoever. Broner, if he's going to get the big payday, he says he's getting, okay.

But I kind of found it, it kind of exposed the bad part of boxing right now where guys are expecting to get big paydays without taking tough fights. Well, yeah, because he's already been through there. I mean, Adrian Bruner made a lot of money fighting, you know, fighters like, John Molina and Adrian Granados and those type of fighters.

And he was making millions and millions of dollars. Now, every time he stepped up, he lost. So anytime he steps up to a Godzilla, like you were saying, he loses. But at this point of his career, he has to face, you know, Godzilla. He has to face King Kong and Skull Island. He doesn't want to, though. But he's going to have to. He's going to have to.

Not for what he says about BLK Prime is right that they let him fight whoever he wants on pay-per-view. You know, Redcatch has coming off back-to-back losses. You got beat by Regis' pro gray, like a year and a half ago. When you're an older fighter and you're long in the tooth, you need to make a statement against a younger fighter, an up-and-combing fighter. You need to prove that you're still the goods or else you go to be okay and do what they're doing there.

But I don't think they're going to pay them all that money. I think that's just going to be a, he's just saying that for you can bring more money to the table negotiation tool. I don't think they're going to pay them that money because we know what Adrian Broner is on the top level he comes up short with the biggest fighters he did it against medana sean porter and everyone else now on the smaller level the c plus level hey he beats these guys so if he goes across the street and fights in another network he's not going to fight you know a Godzilla or king kong so good for him let him let him do that i just don't think he's going to make the money

that they're promising them it's the grass isn't green on the other side el haman has been great to to that kid and and he's and he's he's squandered so much much of his money, talent, and respect. So there's only so many bones you could throw out whenever you're dealing with a fighter like that. And I think they had enough of him. I honestly don't, I don't even mind what Bruner did, right? Like, if he really is being guaranteed that type of money

to fight the Ivan Red catches of the world, why wouldn't he take it? I have the same position with Terrence Crawford when he went to BLK Prime for $10 million to fight David Avanician. I don't blame a fighter for $10. taking a big payday for an easy fight. I blame BLK Prime for having one of the worst business models I've ever seen. Like if you're going to commit that kind of money to Terrence Crawford to have really low

pay-per-view numbers, God bless you. If you're going to commit to three fights for Adrian Broner and not tell him that one of those fights has to be against Regis Progray or somebody of that level, I don't know how you're making any of that money back. I don't know how that's not just a fire pit of money that you're burning it all on. I don't know. I don't get it. I don't get the business model at all.

I mean, Triller did that, so why not BLK? And it didn't work for them. Anyone that tries to do that, it doesn't work. And it's not going to work for BLK, but for some reason there's money out there to burn. You know, everyone thinks they have the next great idea. It's all the same idea. It's all the same idea. We're going to win a first bid or we're going to sign one guy.

You don't sign one guy. You sign fights. You don't sign a fighter. You sign fights. If you can get Broner to fight Regis Progray on BLK Prime Paperview, that's a fantastic fight. Give me that fight. Well, I take it back. It's not fantastic.

It's good. I'll take that fight on pay-per-view. Pro Gray, Broner, will be a popular fight. Excellent. I'd watch that. Why not fantastic? I think Pro Gray makes short workup. It's a fantastic name recognition, and it's a fantastic matchup where people just know who they are.

The two former champions will be explosive, two power punchers. I think maybe it won't pan out to be a fantastic competitive fight, but I think it's a fantastic matchup. You know what they should have done instead of Red Catch, and this was the name that came up, They should have done Broner against Romero. Like, those two would have yapped at each other for two months. Yeah. And it would have been an average fight, but at least it would have been relevant. And we would have been talking about it prior to it.

And it would have been affordable because Romero, I don't think, would have priced himself out of that fight coming off a loss. If you listen to him lately, he kind of thinks that he deserves a big Brinks truck because he got knocked out by Tramante Davis. I don't really. Well, he's going to make money because he's going to be a good heel. He is a good heel. He punches hard. He has a big mouth. And, you know, he got knocked out by one of the best fighters in the world.

And there's no shame to that. He comes out, you know, knocks out two, three guys. He's back. He's promotable. But he's got to fight. Like he last fought in, what, June? And there's no plans from to fight in the first couple of months of 2023, at least not plans that I'm aware of.

He's got to fight. Like, you can't just sit on the sidelines and hope a big payday comes in a long. No, no, no. He has to come back and turn heads again, you know, knock out somebody. And he'll be back on a, on a set. seven-figure payday. But this B-L-K... I hope he was getting seven figures

for that Davis fight. If he's a bit of... I'll be okay, yeah, if you're going to keep throwing that cash around. All right, a couple of things I want to hit you with. Teofima Lopez continues to take a lot of heat from not just media or, you know, internet media,

but his peers. He gets criticized a lot for his performance against Sandoor Martine. Now, Tea Fimo said some wacky things over the last couple of weeks, including that he knew that the camera was on him when he said, do I still got it after this Martin win?

I don't believe that for a second. I think Teofimo in that moment was experiencing a crisis of confidence. But I have said this. Until any of these top guys at 140 decisively beat Sandor Martine, you can't say anything about how difficulty is to fight. The guy beat Mikey Garcia. He went and fought well or at least fought his way against Teofima Lopez. He is a very difficult guy to go up against.

But Teofimo now, he's 2-0 officially at 140 pounds. but he's taken a lot of criticism from a lot of people that don't believe he's proven he's a high level, 140 pounder. What would your advice be to Teofima Lopez moving forward? Man, I would love to have a sit down with Teofimo because he's such a smart kid. You know, he's just like many of us fighters, you know, we come from broken homes. We're emotionally, emotionally damaged or at least unavailable. And we have a lot of things to juggle. and then money gets thrown our way and popularity and everywhere you go you recognize.

All that's hard to handle in your early 20s. So I would love to have a sit down with him. I mean, I've met him. I talked to him before. I chopped it up with his father. He's a smart kid, but I think he's just emotionally immature. And I hate to say that because I know he's really a smart, damn good fighter. And I know he's the goods.

but mentally, I just think he needs a tune-up. He needs a mental tune-up, and I don't think he's going to get it from his father. You know, I've been in boxing over 20 years, and the father-son trainer relationship does not work, man. I've seen so many relationships where they get broken, where they get broken for life because of boxing. Father-son relationships, you know, a good example,

Peter Manfredo and the guy that I found the contender, he still hasn't talked to his dad since losing in the rematch in the finale that it's split and i've known so many kids growing up that dynamic is so difficult to juggle one and that's why you know you got to give credit to fathers like bill haine you know because he's the trainer but he brings in other trainers he's the voice but he also has help on that voice that's a successful father son relationship trainer son relationship because he lets other trainers involved. But then you look at, like, say, Danny Garcia, they like too much of the limelight, Tiofimo Senior.

I'm sorry, not Danny Garcia, Angel Garcia. Angel Garcia, he loves too much of the limelight. Teofimo Senior, loves too much of the limelight. I would even say Kenny Porter, you know, Sean Porter's dad. That works because Sean Porter is such a, I've been in camp with him. Man, I couldn't deal with training with a, with a militant father trainer like Kenney. He's just too strict.

And it'll annoy me, man. It would annoy me. But Sean, he respects and loves his father. And for some reason, that worked out. For some reason that worked out because that should have been broken a long time ago. But, yeah, it does not work, Maddox. Mayweather, senior, Mayweather Jr., it does not work, man. You can't, it works when they're young, right?

You can tell an 8-year-old, a 10-year-old, a 15-year-old, even an 18-year-old, you can scold them. You look like shit. You should have done this. You could have beat him. But you can't say that to an undefeated fighter at 21 years old, at 25 years old, a young champion. You can't tell him that anymore. You can't talk to him like a son no more. You got to talk to him like a world champion.

You got to see him like the world sees him. And that doesn't happen in a father-training relationship. And that's where the emotion fractures. and that's where the resentment comes in and that's where your first loss or even your first bad performance you just butt heads and that relationship gets strained

and it's not only strained for the lifetime of your, I mean for your career it's a lifetime because it gets fractured man and there's times where you know it never gets mended I just don't like that dynamic never have never will

it's a good point because the number of father-fighter relationships that have not worked far exceeds the number that have. That's for sure. For Teofimo, though, going into next year, there's been some talk, a lot of talk about matching him with Josh Taylor in the middle of the year. I'd personally like to see Teafimo take one more fight against a mid-level 140-pounder before he fights a Josh Taylor. I think he needs that. I think he needs it for confidence reasons. I honestly, Sergio, I thought he looked fine against Pedro Campa.

That was a good fight. Good win, knocked him out. And again, Sandra Martine is really, really, really tough. He's slippery. He moves a lot. He's in great shape.

I thought Teafimo had a bad game plan, or at least, you know, fought poorly in that fight. But I think Sandra Martine is very difficult for anybody in that weight class. I like to see him fight somebody a little more conventional

in his next fight. If for no other reason, then to get his confidence back up. I think Teafimo still has the power to be a big hitter at 140. He obviously has the talent to be elite at 140. I just think.

think he needs one fight in between before we see him in with a Josh Taylor or Regis Pro Gray or anybody else, the top guy in that division. That's where matchmaking comes in. That's where a matchmaker has to play, you know, matchmaker slash counselor. That's where a trainer needs to really brainstorm with the matchmaker and promoters say, look, this is where my fighter is at. This is what he needs. This is a style matchup.

And they will do that because there's money to be made. A lot of money to be made. You're talking about a fighter that took over the, he literally took over the lightweight division by beating one fighter. He got all the belts undisputed pretty much. And he went from that to not having the confidence all of a sudden. You know, that's not how it works, man. So that, that dynamic is, it's a weird one, man. I just don't like it.

But I think if knockouts, people have short, short term memories, knockouts erase. everything and it brings that confidence back in a fighter whenever a fighter feels like he doesn't have it anymore one head turning knockout will bring all that confidence back because we've been doing this since we're young kids man and we've had doubt before we have insecurities before we've been lost before as amateurs but then once you get that one big win on the stage under the lights and the fans are back to asking your algebra autograph the pictures and you're back to making the big money hey i'm back baby i mean that was just a hiccup this is boxing every great champion loses and you get your swag back.

Tio Fimo needs a swag back with another big knockout. That's all it takes and we'll see them doing backflips in the Hizman in old time. All right. We still have one more fight to go in 2022, a New Year's Eve matchup in Japan. It's a big fight, Sergio, 115 pound unification fight between Joshua Franco, the brother of Bam Rodriguez and Kazuto Iyoka, who is a big star over in Japan, multi-division world champion over in Japan. This feels very 50-50 to me right off the top.

Ioka has been busier. He's coming off a win over Donnie Mietas in July, whereas Joshua Franco, he hasn't fought in over a year now at this point because of some issues there coming off the trilogy with Andrew Maloney. How do you see this fight taking, how do you see this fight playing out? Frankl's going to have his hands full, not only because I don't agree, but it's, Ioka's going to be difficult to look good against. I mean, he's, he has a pressure guy.

Yeah, pressure guy, but he also has a long right hand. He has, he has that, that tricky upper body movement. He's going to be in his hometown. He's only lost two times, Mannix. Both of them were close split decision losses. So anytime a fighter loses a fight like that, he still considers himself undefeated. He feels he got that bad end of the decision. So Iyoka has the confidence.

He's going to have the hometown judges. He's going to have everything on his side. And Franco, wear and tear catches up to you, man. You can't have trilogies. He's had two trilogies in the last hand a couple of years. I mean, you can't put your body through that wear and tear. It just catches up to you. I just think the wear and tear is going to catch up to these young men.

And Iyoka is one of those fighters are going to get to give him hell, man. It's going to be a very tough fight for Frankie to win. unless unless he comes out and starts fighting like his brother, bam, you know, using his footwork and using angles and using speed. Do you think he can? He trained by the same guy, Robert Garcia. I don't think he can. They're two different fighters. But I'm saying if he can surprise us and do something like that and box out the back foot

and use angles and concentrate on going the distance, not going for the knockout, and avoid that right hand. I okay has a damn good right hand. And Frankl's been stopped before. and he got caught with the right hand. And if he gets hit by that Ioka right hand, it's going to remind him of that time he got stopped. So, yeah, he's going to have his hands full.

So if there goes to decision, Japanese judges, it's just going to be, it's going to be, the cards are stacked against him. Well, I'm sure there'll be American judges of it. But in Japan, or at least there'll be neutral judges for a fight like that. But I agree with you. In Japan, it's difficult to get a decision on somebody's home turf. The crowd is going to be behind Ayoka.

For people that don't know, that's a major boxing day in Japan. It should be a really, really good. crowd for that fight. I wonder, you know, if you're Franco, it's got to be a lot of juice flowing through you, though, because this was the year of your brother. You know, Bam Rodriguez got a lot of the attention, deservedly so. You've got to be sitting there thinking, look, I just completed my trilogy with Andrew Maloney. I won two of those fights. The third was a no contest. This is my time. My brother has already said, 115 is my division. I feel like the motivation at the very least is going to be there for Joshua Franco. I think that's going to matter in a fight like this. I think he's going to be, you know,

he's going to be fired up for this fight. Yeah, he's going to be fired up, he's going to be ready, he's going to have everything going in his favor. But you're still going to be fighting a Japanese fighter in Japan with Japanese judges, maybe one judge, like you said, that's going to be American. And he has a lot of wear and tear. Look, I wish him the best. I'll be pulling for Franco.

I'm a big fan of Franco and his brother Rodriguez. I'm a huge fan of Robert Garcia. I wish him the best. I just think he's going to have his hands full by this Japanese fighter. Tricky, tricky style, good right hand. Franco has been stopped before. You're going to be awake at what, like three in the morning when that fight takes place? Are you kidding me?

I won't be up. Tivo. Tivo. You still have TiVo? What's it called? I don't know. Whatever. Yeah, DVR.

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for the hit and run case involving Gervante Davis. And with the latest incident involving Davis happening down in Florida, I wanted to bring on Justin see exactly where this case in the Baltimore area stands. So, Justin, thanks for joining me. Just kind of give me an overview of what the last year has been like with this case and where it stands today. Yeah, this has been sort of pending through the courts for a while now, and it's getting near to a resolution. The case stems from a November 2020 incident. There was a hit and run accident in downtown Baltimore.

It took a while for charges to be brought against Hank, but he's facing 14 counts. They're all misdemeanors, but they carry up to a year in jail each. In the spring, prosecutors offered a plea deal. They said that they wanted him to serve four months in prison. He said no. Then in the fall, prosecutors in the defense came back and said, we've reached a deal. We think that he shouldn't serve any time. We think that he should get a year suspended, which means that basically you don't serve a year,

but if you screw up, if you get in trouble again, you can be any part of that sentence, can be imposed. And a judge actually rejected it. The judge said, I don't think that that is serious enough for these charges. And so as it stands now, he's set for a trial for February. How unusual is it to see a judge reject a plea deal negotiated between the defense and the prosecution? It's fairly unusual. We have a system here in Baltimore where all cases start with a single judge. It's like Grand Central Station for every case. And, And the judge can listen to plea deals. She can accept them.

She can tell them to go back and work on it again. She can send them off to trial. So the fact that the judge here, basically, I think she was swayed a lot by the victim in the case. She appeared with her attorney and said, please don't accept this. A lot of times I think these cases probably would go through. They get sort of rubber stamped and moved along. If both parties agree, then the judge says, oh, I'm not going to stand in the way. But the victim spoke out and said, you know, I was hurt badly.

I looked at him in his eyes and asked him for help and he and he fled and I think that had a lot to do with it. So any number of things can happen going forward though as you probably are aware. Yeah, you mentioned that victim statement. Just reading that from your reporting, that was pretty powerful stuff. I mean, this was a pregnant woman who, as you said, told the judge that she looked Jervante in the eye and asked for help. and he immediately fled after that. Were you in the courtroom when she said that? No, this was a virtual hearing, so it was over the phone.

But yes, she appeared in that hearing. Yes, there was four people who were injured in this crash. Three of them notably, apparently reached settlements with Davis. And her lawyer said that he really wasn't engaging them on that talk. And I wonder how much that has to do with things. But yeah, she said that her car was smoking. She was trapped. She was pregnant. That she's had injuries that have lingered and continued to affect her life. And that, you know, I think what the attorney said was, you know, this is a nothing for him.

If you give him a year suspended, two months home detention and work release, that's nothing to him. Work release for an athlete is going out and playing sports, you know, fighting in million-dollar bouts. So they want to see more happen. Now, an interesting thing is that there's going to, there's a changing of the guard in the state's attorney's office, our top prosecutor Marilyn Mosby, who people might remember from Freddie Gray case and things like that, she was not reelected. And it was her office that engineered this original plea offer that was rejected. There's a new prosecutor taking office on Tuesday. We'll see if he takes a harder line, takes the same stance that the prosecutors have had thus far. The other thing that could happen is

the judge who rejected it. As I mentioned, she's the hub that controls all the cases. She could transfer it to a judge for trial who actually does think that that's an appropriate plea outcome. And then there's, you know, anything can happen at trial as well. So it's really, I think he's facing a serious prospect of jail time, considering that the original offer was four months. Then the offer of no time was rejected. A judge weighing in and saying, I don't think he should get any time. He's facing a real prospect of time. But again, you know, anything can happen at trial and, you know, it remains to be seen.

Is there any way to extrapolate what the changing of the guard in the prosecutor's office means for this case at this point? Because this will be a pretty high profile case that'll be handled. There'll be a lot of attention paid to it come February. Yeah, I mean, it's not a murder case. It's not a rape case. But in terms of being high profile, it's probably one of the most high profile cases our new state's attorney will inherit. I think, you know, our previous state's attorney was known for, you know, perhaps progressive policies. and, you know, her husband is a city council president and hosted events with Tank Davis,

where he appeared on panels, went out to talk with kids. You know, I think a lot of people in the Baltimore community are rooting for him. But our new state's attorney, he's talked about being a little bit harder on crime. And, you know, I think that we could very much, you know, see them take this to trial. You know, I think people hear maximum penalty of a year and think, wow, could he get a year? Could he get 14 years? You know, people don't get maximum penalties. It just doesn't work that way.

especially someone without a prior record. But some jail time, some time that could take him, you know, out of commission for a while. You know, I could definitely see that happening. So Jervantes back in the news this week because of an incident that allegedly happened in Florida involving an altercation with a woman. What, if any, impact on what's happening up in Baltimore could what's happening in Florida have on Jervante? That's a great question. I mean, I think we saw that his previous case from 2020 also in Florida was recently dropped. That was a case that went, it was on cell phone video, went viral, you know, and after more than two years of pending, prosecutors said that the witnesses and the victim didn't want to cooperate, even though they had that video, that they didn't want to cooperate and they dropped that case. So that case is now in the rear view. He doesn't have to worry about that anymore. This new case that has popped up. for better or worse, you know, domestic violence cases very much hinge on the alleged victim wanting to cooperate. A lot of times we don't see that happen.

And, you know, already Tank is disputing these cases. He was on social media last night saying this is made up. This is embellished. He retweeted his nutritionist who said he was there when the 911 call was made and didn't match up with what was actually happening in the room. But again, I think to the extent that it could have. So right now he's a clean record, right? the battery case is dropped. It can't be used against him. This new case will see what happens. But I think it's possible. It's possible that if he were to be convicted in this hit and run case,

the judge could look at the totality of these incidents and say, you know, that this indicates somebody who is troubled, you know, who needs to be, I guess, taught a lesson. So it's possible that these things could carry him into the Baltimore courtroom. So what happens, sure, what happens on, on February 16th. Is this the beginning of something? Could this, could we see a resolution on the 16th, or are we now headed towards what could be a lengthy process? You know, Baltimore courts are hard to predict. Again, as you see, these things have been pending for quite some time. Postponements happen all the time. I think after the plea deal was rejected in September, it was set for a December trial, which sort of raised the prospect of whether this was going to affect his upcoming fight. That didn't happen. It's now scheduled for February. And, you know, it's not clear whether it'll actually go forward at that time. But it's been set for a trial.

Judges said this should go forward. Again, they could reach a new plea deal that a new judge is amenable to. It could go to trial. It could go to trial. And the witness could the alleged victim could testify against him and pick him out. She could take it all back. There are many outcomes at this point, including being postponed even further down the line. It'll be worth watching.

Most people in boxing are just, you know, they look ahead to Gervante, Ryan Garcia. Jervante, these big fights got planned in 2022. I think there'll be a lot of people watching to see what happens on February 16th or whatever that trial ultimately picks up. Justin, I appreciate your time, man. Keep up the great work.

I'll be following you on the Baltimore banner covering this case over the next few months. Okay, thank you very much. All right, time now for this week's picks brought to you by our friends over at Fandul and 2022 is almost over, but there still is one huge fight left before the end of the year,

a 115 pound unification fight between Kazuto Ayoka and Joshua Franco. That fight will take place over in Japan. It'll air at 5 a.m. Eastern time. So get up early if you want to watch Iyoka versus Franco. Ioka is a slight favorite in this fight, according to Fandul, minus 172. Josh Franco, the underdog at plus 1,000.

34. I just can't bet against Iyoka in Japan. He is a big name over there. And I think fighting on his home turf is going to be a big benefit for him. I think Josh Franco is going to be highly motivated. I talked about this on the pod with Sergio. But I think Iyoka, a pressure fighter, is going to do just enough to get the judge's decision. So take Iyoka to win. As I point out, Take Iyoka to win by decision. Not much better odds there. Minus 105, according to Fandul. But Ioka, I think, is not the power puncher at 115.

I think he's going to win a decision. There'll be some competitive moments. It'll be a competitive fight. There'll be some good exchanges. But I think Ioka's activity, his pressure, that's going to be the difference in this fight. Kazuto Iyoka to win by decision. That is my pick this week. That's my last pick for 2000.

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