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Episode Date: May 1, 2024

Joining Mannix this week is former junior middleweight champion and DAZN broadcaster Sergio Mora. Mannix and Mora discuss the recently released rules for Mike Tyson's showdown with Jake Paul, the now finalized showdown between Vergil Ortiz and Tim Tszyu, Jose Ramirez's performance last weekend, what could be next for Ryan Garcia, Jaime Munguia's chances against Canelo Alvarez and more. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and eligibility restrictions, terms, and responsible gaming resources. Latino hit. All right, before we begin, Sergio Mora, former junior middleweight champion, Desone broadcaster, contender winner, do you have an opening statement? I do, and I'm glad you asked, Chris Mannix. I want your producer, Adam,

to play my theme music, since the Cinco de Mayo weekend, And I want Vicente Fernandez, Volver, Volver. Hit it. And Volver, Volver. A to podcast, Chris Mannix. You know how bad your voices. You know, I have a high-pitched voice.

Like, for certain music, I can actually sing pretty good, like Prince. You're comparing yourself favorably to Prince now. Okay. Anyone with a high-pitched voice. BGs, yeah, I got it. All right, well, let's stick with the mediocre boxing analysis, shall we?

So let's talk. Let's talk about what we have this weekend because it is a massive weekend. Canelo Alvarez taking on Jaime Mungia in Vegas. We are recording this on Tuesday just before we head to Vegas. We're going to be there all week, Sergio. All week, all week. It's music to my ears. Tuesday through Sunday.

The roulette table doesn't know what's coming. The most excited I've ever seen you has been when you were told about a few weeks ago that you could come to New York on Tuesday for Ryan Garcia-Devin-Haney Fight Week. and that you could come to Vegas on Tuesday for Canelo Mangia. No, I've been giddy for some time, Mannix. I mean, when they told us we were doing Canelo, I was lit. I lit up like a Christmas tree. Then they told us we're doing Subreal Matias in Puerto Rico.

I said, man. You can't get there Tuesday for that. No, I doubt that. But no, it's been a great run. I mean, boxing is winning right now. Forget the fact that, you know, we're doing these great shows for the zone. Just boxing is winning right now all over the place. It's incredible.

And the biggest event is where we're going to begin, Sergio. Right. Mike Tyson, Jake Paul. No, man, Canelo. Canelo Mungia. No, we begin with the big news this week surrounding Mike Tyson, Jake Paul, which is going to take place July 20th on Netflix at AT&T Stadium in Dallas.

We have some rules, Sergio, for the Tyson Paul event. It is going to be an official pro fight, a sanctioned pro bout, meaning that the result will go on the records of both these guys. Jake Paul fought last year. Mike Tyson has not fought one of these. since 2005. It will be eight two-minute rounds. They will fight with 14-ounce gloves.

There will be no headgear. Your reaction to the rules for Tyson Paul. Well, it's not a real fight. It's not a real fight. If you're fighting with 14-ounce gloves, that's sparring one. If you are fighting a man that's going to be 58 years old, that's not a real fight.

I mean, you're fighting a senior citizen. if you're fighting with your rules in two minutes, that's not a real fight. I mean, two minutes, no head of your out. That doesn't make sense. It's a glorified sparring session, and it's a money grab. It's a market. It's marketing at its finest, so I got to give them credit. But no, it is not a real fight.

So no matter how you try to twist and turn this, this is not a real sanction fight. Well, it is a real sanction fight. And I don't want to get into the commission and shame on them. That's another thing. It's just how do you call this a real fight? It's not a real fight. It's a real event, an event that I give credit to Jake Paul and Mike Tyson, they're going to make a killing.

Great for them. But don't minimize what we do in the ring as champions and real boxing and what Mike did for so many years. Jake Paul's not doing that. Well, look, what it's going to look like, it's going to look a lot like the Roy Jones Mike Tyson fight because that fight was, I believe, eight two-minute rounds. That fight had bigger gloves. that was not an official fight,

didn't have official scoring by the state of California. This one will have official scoring by the state of Texas, but I think it's going to look a lot like that. I don't love it that it's going on Mike's record. Let's say that Mike at 58 years old loses to Jake Paul, which I think is definitely possible. Right, right? Like if he doesn't knock him out in the first round,

this could go badly from Mike Tyson. I don't need to see the last name on Mike Tyson professional box wreck being Jake Paul by decision or something to that effect. That's the only thing about this that disappoints me. I'm really surprised, frankly, that the Texas Commission decided to sanction this as a pro fight. I mean, I think I read somewhere, we've never had this big an age gap in a professional fight.

It's 30, 31 years between these two guys. That is exactly my point. That's why I started. You can't make this a real fight if you're fighting with oversized gloves, undersized time because it's not three minutes, unless they're women, but they're not women that I know of. And you're fighting up senior.

senior citizen Chris Mannix that's not cool man and and you know yeah you you you touch on a good point how embarrassing is it for the legacy of Mike Tyson not only to get knocked out by guys like Kevin McBride who shouldn't even hold your jockstrap but now Jake Paul Jake Paul credit to Jake Paul he's a marketing genius I'll say it again this man is making a killing using his name and his following and social media but now he's now he's he's coming into a field where it's disrespectful to an icon. Mike Tyson's an icon. He's an iconoclast.

And he's, I'm sure that's the word. It is. I'm not sure if you're using it appropriately. But yeah, that's Mike Tyson. Everybody in their grandma knows Mike Tyson. And everybody in their grandma knows Jake Paul. But the difference is one is respected for something that only few men in the world can do

and the other ones, not respected. He's just followed. Well, I think Jake Paul's earned some respect over the years, haven't you? Like some of the guys he's fought fighting, real fights, taking his training, much more seriously than other influencers do. Respect is a strong word. I don't respect them as a fighter. I respect them as a hustler and a businessman. And I respect his passion for boxing. Yes, I do that. We're going to have a lot of

time to talk about this in the future, but like, how do you think this fight goes now that you know the rules for it? The same way that I told you was going to go earlier. I think Jake Paul's going to beat an old man. He's going to beat down an old man. It's not that Mike Tyson can't fight. It's not that he still can't punch hard. It's that he has no, he has no legs. He has no agility. Once that first round is gone, once those first two minutes, that's it. He's done. That's all he has. And when he misses, he's going to fall off balance. It's only going to take a glancing shot to the side of the head to make Mike feel all of those 58 years old. It's going to be embarrassing. We're all going to be embarrassed after that fight is done. And then, of course, you're going to see Jake Paul on the

top rope, you know, celebrating like he just knocked out. Mike. Tyson in his prime. It's ridiculous and it's utterly embarrassing. I think for the first round or two, there's going to be a lot of intrigue in how that could play out because I think punch for a punch, Mike Tyson is still a bigger puncher than Jake Paul. And look, we saw on the Roy Jones fight, which is four years ago, when he winds up and throws, he can still land a decent shot. So I do think it's going to go Jake Paul's way because the age gap is so significant. And Jake is not some, he's not some novice boxer anymore. He's far more. developed than some of these other influences.

But first couple around, Sergio, I can get excited. I can get behind it a little bit. Can't you? No. I mean, I'm sure Babe Ruth can still hit a home run. Babe Ruth's dead. Wake him up from the dead. Well, that's not going to happen.

Before we move on, one of the piece of breaking news that actually broke last night. We saw Turkey Al-A-Lashik, the Saudi official that is behind Saudi Arabia's investment into boxing, announced that Jared Anderson is going to fight Deonté Wilder on. August 3rd, a card that is already massive. Now, this is all contingent on Deonté Wilder getting through what is really a 50-50 fight with Jean-Gillet on June 1st. And, you know, the idea that Deonté Wilder will turn around in two months and fight Jared Anderson seems a little, I'm skeptical a little bit of that.

But I love the idea. You know, Jared Anderson, one of the rising stars in U.S. boxing, Deonti Wilder, kind of the last big heavyweight star in U.S. boxing, going at it and kind of a crossroads fight. I mean, I love the idea of that fight. I'm happy for Jared Anderson. He's getting a payday. He's getting some recognition. He's going to be in there with one of the hardest punchers ever in boxing, a former world champion.

Great for Jared Anderson. I just think it's not going to be a good fight for stylistically. It's not going to be a good fight. Anderson's a boxer puncher. While there's a puncher, he wasn't a boxer, like he tried to prove to everybody in his last fight. stylistically it's not going to be a pretty fight man even though the names sound good it's not going to be like the real fight in that event and that's tim zoo i'm telling you tim zoo and virgil we're going to get into that we're going to get into that but i do think

that's the real one here all right why do you think anderson versus wilder is not a aesthetically pleasing fight i mean it's two big punchers it's two big punches i just um wilder didn't look good in his last fight and i think i think he's going to still try to do that at this point off the ayahuasca. At this point of his career, I don't think Wilder is looking to knock anyone out anymore. He's looking to win fights through boxing, and he does what fighters do after,

he does what punchers do after they get knocked out. They try to become more boxers to extend their career and continue, you know, making money. And then what boxers become when they get older is punchers because they don't have the legs to do what they used to do. So it's a vice versa when, when, you know, You know, you get older as a fighter. So I think that's what's happening here.

Wathers not going to be the puncher. He looked awful trying to box. And Anderson is a little bit of both, but he doesn't take chances either. I just don't think it's going to be an appealing fight for fans. But name-wise, sign me up. I couldn't disagree more about it not being appealing for fans. Look, Deonti O'Donthe looked like crap against Joseph. There you go.

You made my point. But he's got a chance against Jean-Gillet to look good, because Jean-Gillet's going to be there. He's very hitable. That's a fight Deonté could win by knockout. If he does that, he gets a lot of his momentum back. And Jared Anderson, heavy-handed, I think only what, two of his fights have gone to a decision. That's...

And look, we're not even talking about that being the main event. That's probably like the third fight. And that's why it's great. That's the reason here. I mean, you're stacking up. You're loading up on the undercard. That's the reason this is one of the greatest cards of all time. 1990's great.

So, yes, I'm excited about that. And credit and a lot of credit to his excellency for putting up the money to do this. I'm so happy decided to do it in L.A. Yeah. You know, that's incredible, you know, taking it out of Saudi, but still Saudi-backed. People know this is a Saudi event, and it's, you know, it's all provided by Turkey at Lashik. And credit to him, credit to, you know, the fans for supporting it and all the promoters who came together to work together because that's what we need in boxing.

I think it's going to be a great atmosphere inside that venue on August 3rd because you're going to have, you're able to choose from a lot of different. fan bases, right? Like, you know, Esot Cruz has a lot of fans. Terrence Crawford has a lot of fans. Deonti Wilder has a lot of fans. Andy Ruiz, Southern California guy, he's got a lot of fans. I think it's what, 22,000 that can fit into that venue. I think we'll sell that out pretty quickly, you know, once the tickets are widely available. So I love that fight as part of the card. If Wilde gets through Zhang, because Wilde could also get knocked out by Zang. Like, Zang has got real pop at heavyweight. I mean, he dropped Joseph Parker twice with shots that didn't even

look like they were that hard. He just hit him clean. And if Zang lands those kind of shots on Wilder, he can drop and knock out Wilder as well. So we'll see what happens in that fight. You mentioned Virgil Ortiz and Tim Zhu. Virgil, just this past weekend coming off a just one-sided destruction of Thomas Delorme. It lands a body shot to the midsection of Delorme that dropped him in the same way that Bernard Hopkins dropped Oscar Delahoya, that some other great body shots have landed, just a picture-perfect body shot. Sergio, we have seen Virgil Ortiz now in two above 147 pounds in January against Frederick Lawson and now recently against Thomas DeLorme. Both those guys are not natural junior middleweights.

On August 3rd, he is going to take on effectively a career long junior middleweight who is arguably the top guy in the 154 pound division. I know he lost his last fight, but that had as much to do with a cut on his head as it did with his performance in the ring. So is Virgil Ortiz at this stage ready for a fight? Tim Zoo. He's ready for Tim Zoo. I just think it's going to be a 50-50 fight where whoever lands first is going to have the advantage. This fight does not go the distance. I think everyone knows that. And I repeat, this fight will not go the distance. Both men I will predict will get hurt. Maybe both will

go down. This will be a good old Hagler-Herns three-fight, three-round fight. That's what I'm predicting here. There is no way these guys don't just go to war from the beginning because stylistically that's all they know. We know Virgil Ortiz just goes forward, tries to knock you out and he loads up on every punch. Tim Zhu, on the other hand, he's like his dad. You know, he'll mix it up with you, but he would rather be on the outside trying to land that straight left, right hand. They have one of the most beautiful well-timed straight right hands in boxing. That's where he's in my trainer, Dean used to love Costa Zoo. He used to tell me to watch Costa Zoo tapes because, you know, we fought Vernon Forest.

Costa Zhu beat him and the amateurs. Costa Zoo would have beaten Oscar de La Jolla because of that right hand. It was laser-like. It was incredible. The problem with Zhu is he had this weird kind of centaur technique where he kept his chin up. You know, he was always looking at a punch and they have such great timing that he got away with his timing. But once that guy breaks that distance, then they get in trouble with. with their technique.

So I can see this being a type of fight where Virgil Ortiz takes advantage of that, of that lack of technique and the chin being exposed, dropping, hurting, someone like Zoot, going after the kill, then Zhu dropping and hurting Virgil Ortiz. It's going to be a, this fight comes down, who takes a better punch? And I said that with Ryan Garcia and Devin Haney, and it was true. Who takes a better punch? Both men were hurt, ultimately Haney, you know, lacked the resistance there. who takes a better punch and I think that's going to be Virgil Ortiz.

I'll credit him. So two years ago, I probably would have agreed with you because that was the fight that Tim Zuck got dropped in the first round by Terrell Gosey. Though since then, I have seen measurable improvement from Tim Zoo. Against Tony Harrison, who he wiped out. Against Carlos Accompo, who he wiped out. Against Brian Mendoza, a tough guy, big puncher, and Zoo went the distance with him. Like beat him up over 12 rounds.

The Fondora fight, I think we both agree that would have gone a different way had that cut not happened. Two rounds in, Zoo looked like he was ready to dominate. So I think Zoo is a much better fighter than the guy you're kind of referencing that. Didn't I just tell you that he has better technique and a better right hand? And normally, he passes the eye test. I would go for him normally? Normally.

You're saying, but I think he's, I don't think he keeps his chin up as much as you seem to think. Like, I don't think he does that. Watch him fight. He fights like his dad. I have. Watch all his fights. He's actually been against him a couple of times. He fights exactly like his dad.

He fights exactly like his dad. He even pauses his nose like his dad in between. He keeps his hands really high, and when he's in control, he's unbeatable. The problem is once he starts mixing it up, then he starts opening up his arms, and then he exposes his chin a little bit too high. He fights like a centaur, I'm telling you. So you don't think it's too much too soon then for Virgil Ortiz. It's kind of what I'm getting at.

No, no way. I mean, I think the Kavoloskis fight prepared him for this. If he would have fought Tim Zhu before Kavoloskis, then I would have easily picked Zoo for this fight. Yeah. Even though the two guys he's faced at 155. or I guess above 154, he's been like a 155, 156, the last couple of fights. Neither one of those guys is junior middleweight.

So he has never really faced true junior middleweight power at this point. That's my biggest concern coming in that, you know, yes, at Welterweight, he faced some decent guys, most notably Cavalascus, who gave him some trouble, you know, came close to knocking him down early in that fight. At junior middleweight and really middleweight, he's fighting guys that are career long, 147s, 140s even for Thomas DeLorme. I think that's the big question I have coming. in. Is he able to be the same aggressive fighter when you've got junior middleweight power coming

back? He knows no other way. And that's the reason this fight won't last long because Virgil Ortiz is a natural born fighter. He's not going to be on the back foot boxing trying to, you know, I'll jab you and go for the distance. That's not his temperament. We haven't seen it, at least. He only knows one way, destruction. And Tim Zood knows two ways, destruction and survival. And that's the reason I think, you know, when he starts boxing backwards, he can make it difficult for Virgil, but I just think Virgil takes a better punch, in my opinion. Yeah, well, we're going to find out because it's going to be bombs away both those guys. Virgil said after the fight in the ring, say get ready for a war, basically.

Now, if Tim Zoot takes that power and beats Virgil Ortiz, we have a new star in boxing. I think the winner of this fight one way the other is new star in boxing. Yeah, I agree, but it's always a little bit different. when you're dealing with like an Australian. He has a whole country behind him. Yeah, but Tim Zhu, and look, Tim Zhu even put aside Australia, was starting to build his name more in the U.S. That Keith Thurman fight was supposed to be the big coming out party for Tim Zoo

where he got that name on his resume. I think if he beats Virgil Ortiz, maybe not a paper-view guy, but getting close to it. And I think Virgil Ortiz, who was right there as well on the cusp at Welterway, didn't quite get that world title shot, but undefeated all knockouts. I think he's a superstar. if he wins. And by the way, this is easily be a fight that could be repeated. We could want to see this again a second time, a third time, just like we've been talking about Ryan. Who's going to

put up money for the rematch, Mannix? I don't think the Saudis are going anywhere. By the way, if Tim Zhu and Virgil Ortiz wanted to run it back, that's a main event that you could make with a lesser undercard. Like, you could do that fight again, no question about it. You couldn't do it in this kind of mega event, but you could certainly do that fight one more time. And I hope that, you know, we get to see that at some point down the line. All right. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games.

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American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I want to talk about the Jose Ramirez fight this past weekend. Jose Ramirez making his debut with Golden Boy, former unified champion, fights his, fights Rances, Bartholomey, was off for about 13 months. I think you saw some ring rust on Ramirez early on, got clipped with a bunch of left hands in the first four rounds before settling down, wound up winning a wide decision. How would you grade the performance of Jose Ramirez last week? His performance inside the ring, I would say, is probably a C plus, and that's being generous, but his effort and his resilience and his strength and the whole event, I would give it a,

I would give it an A-minus. Honestly, I really, I like seeing guys go through fire. because, you know, he's a former champion. We know he could take a punch. He took it from Josh Taylor. That was on the undisputed championship level. That's his only loss. So there's no shame there. But when you have an older, former champion, 38-year-old, Ranzhis Bartholomey,

rocking you like he did. Then it's signs for concern, all right? So it's not just an activity. It's signs for concern here. Does he really want it? Is he still hungry? Is he still preparing like he used to? These are all signs.

And so it wasn't a good performance as far as fighting. It was a great reminder of the will and the resiliency has as a man and as a fighter. So I just think I'm going to be a little bit more. I want to test him in his next fight. I want to see how he looks in his next fight. If he looks up par again, then I think we've seen the best days of Jose Ramirez at 31 years old. But if not, then I just think it was one of those inactive stretches that a boxer goes through. believe me, I'm the king of inactivity.

All my worst performances were after long stretches, so I'll give them a pass. Well, I first want to give credit to Bartholomey, who was a lot more competitive than I thought he was going to be. I mean, I have watched a lot of Rances Bartholome over the years, fought a bunch of times on Showtime. He's a two-time champion at 1.30, 135. I have not always found his fights to be aesthetically pleasing. I don't think he is a great television fighter, but he came to fight.

early on in this fight. That left hand of his was real. The power behind it was real. And just like with Devin Haney, Sergio, Ramirez couldn't get out of the way of it, like over and over again. To the point we're in the third round, I thought there was a realistic shot that Ramirez was going to get knocked out. You know, he looked like he was knocked down. I mean, I've watched it a bunch of times since then. I stand by my original comments that should have been a knockdown. But either way, he was wobbled and he was hurt. To Ramirez's credit, he was able to do what Devin Haney, couldn't.

He adjusted. He kept that right hand up. He avoided that straight left. He was able to slip it, move, duck under it, do all the things that Devin couldn't. Now, going up against a different fighter, different level of speed,

that certainly is a factor. But I give him credit for settling down and continuing the attack, and I thought he won nine of the 12 rounds, clean in this fight. So I'd probably give him a B as far as an overall grade. Not far from me.

Not far from me. C plus B. I think the way he shook off that ring rust was impressive. I mean, 13 months off, two fights really in the last three years. I think that had a significant impact on the way he fought early on. I did. And I don't want to see him inactive like that ever again.

I just think if, you know, there's a lot of career left in Ramirez and behind Golden Boy, you know, this was his debut. He wanted to shine. He had the house filled. You know, that's the thing about fighting in Fresno. How many times he fought there, what, eight? Eight times it's saved more. I think 11 overall. And that was a record crowd on hand.

My point, it was an incredible night. So credit to Rick Meridian, his manager, always taking him there. He has something there. That, that, he should never go anywhere else. Well, yes, he should, because there's bigger live games. Not if you're the A side. Now, if you're going to be going to fight. It doesn't matter.

If you're going to be going to fight another champion, then, yeah, you have no choice. No, you treat it like Bud Crawford treats Omaha. You go back there every so often, but you take your bigger events to New York, Las Vegas, where they have bigger sightings, and they can charge more for tickets. I think his promoter, Golden Bowl, will disagree. going to be keep one. I think they'll agree. After, after what we just witnessed in Fresno, I mean, it was crowded, it was live, the fans loved it. He's going to, he sells a lot of tickets there. So either there or Vegas, I can't see anywhere else. Well, yeah, by all means, do fights on the

level of Rances Bartholomey in, in central California. But if you wind up in a world title opportunity with like Subreal Matias or against Teofima Lopez, you go to New York City, Sergio. You go to New York City where they sell tickets at a lot higher prices than they were selling in Fresno. Oh, where you're talking about Tio Fima. Lopez okay yes that one I agree but even on a lesser scale and this brings me the next point about what is next for Jose Ramirez because afterwards Oscar delahoya said he probably needs one more fight before he's ready for a championship level fight so you know there there's Arnold Barbosa that's out there rank number one by the WBO uh regis progray is out there that's a makeable

fight golden boy and matrim a lot of talent at 140 right now on that kind of B level that Ramirez could make. Who's someone you want to see him in with in his next fight? Well, considering he didn't look great and he was shaking off Kyle, Kyle Webb's, I don't want to see him in with a Haney. I don't want to see him in against Ryan Garcia or any of the top dogs. I want to see him in against a top contender or a former champion. So either Rej's pro gray, because stylistically, that just makes sense. Both of them are there in front of each other. Or Arnold Barboso, a undefeated guy who's willing to take on all comers, wants to fight the absolute. best give them an opportunity with a former champion in remarius perfect perfect opportunity for both

to shine and then get to the next level so give me barboza on on a contender level give me a regis program a former champion level yeah and if your golden boy i mean does golden boy want to make they just sign both these guys do they want to put him in with each other right away that would be the question i have i actually like the fight because i think that's kind of a not exactly win or go home, but win and you're on the world title picture, lose, and you're probably out of it for at least another year or so. And I like that fight. It's a competitive fight. I think it's more makeable fight too, because for a long time, Ramirez and Barbosa had the same manager. From what I was told, Rick Merigian and Barbosa have had a falling out. They're not working together anymore

now. That's a much more makeable fight if someone in the middle is not kind of throwing up roadblocks, so to speak. So I like that fight. Both top five in the WBO, the win. The winner kind of has a mandate to fight Teofimo for that belt. I think that's the right fight for him next. And you could do that. Like, I'd probably do that more in Los Angeles where you can charge more for tickets. Maybe you do it in Vegas, charge more for tickets, get a site fee. But if you wanted to do that fight in Central California.

Fresno, baby. I see it right now. Jose Carlos Ramirez versus Arnold Barbosa. But why would Barbosa want to go there? Save Mart Center, Fresno, California. Why would Barbosa want to go there? I already told you. Look at all the fans.

Look at all the people that love him. The money is what matters. You know this. Why do I have to argue with the form? fighter about where the most money is. You have fought in Vegas. You have fought in Texas. You have fought in Commerce Casino in California.

I've never fought a Commerce Casino. All right, what is the casino was in California? It wasn't a casino. It was Quiet Cannon. It's the same thing. It's not a casino. It's not a casino. It's not a casino.

It's a ballroom. It's also a casino. No, it's also a casino. Nip nuts. Knitwit. I think you're going to go Numb Nuts or Nipwit. I was going to go numb nuts or Nipwit. You got stuck in the middle.

Either way, you know that ticket prices vary, right? They're a little different in Quiet, than they are in Vegas or even in Texas. I'm just saying, if you're Barbosa, you want to make the most money. You don't need to do it in front of 15,000 fans that are all going to be against you. Like, why would you do it?

But that's the right fight. Regis Pro Gray or Arnold Barboza, August, September of this year, get him back in the ring, and then, look, he's top five. He's in that position to fight Teufima Lopez. Who knows, Chris? Maybe Turkey Alashique is Arnold Barboza fan.

Maybe he wants to put on a Barbosa fight. There you go. Maybe he'll put up the money in that. And everyone will shut you up. Do you have an issue? Like we talked at length with Ramirez before the fight. And it was clear that the last few months, last six months, eight months have really taken

a toll on him. You know, the process of extracting himself from top rank, the process of finding a new promoter, having a layoff of about 13 months. it was clear from talking to him that it took a lot out of him. That being said, he left top rank, and now he's still looking for that fight with Teafima Lopez. I would imagine it got a lot harder to make that fight happen. He does have an option to maybe fight Matthias because Matchroom is aligned with the zone.

But Matias, we know he's got other plans. He's got a fight coming up against Liam Paro, maybe a mandatory against Richardson Hitchens. Issaac Cruz, I don't know how you make that fight happen if you're, Jose Ramirez. And what am I missing there? Devin Haney's not going to fight him, at least not, for the rest of this year. So I just think Ramirez is in a tough spot in terms of making a world title fight over the next year, year and a half, which he says is what he's looking for. Every fighter, you know, once they transition from former champion to, you know, two-time champion or looking to become a two-time champion, normally at that stage in your career, like in your early 30,

you're going to move promoters because you've already you've already succeeded and and kind of they did everything they can for you i mean look look at root left top rank and they and they split amicably Miguel coto left top rank after they did an amazing job also de la hoya left top rank after they did amazing job Floyd mayweather left top rank after amazing so they do an they're the best promoter in the business as far as making a champion and and protecting them and moving them the right way but then once that fighter that's champion keeps that zero and builds that name and it becomes a free agent, then he goes into the market, you know, and he goes wherever the best money is. And that's exactly what all

champions should do. It's just a ride of passage. I think top rank understands that. It's still unclear though. They made their money. They made their money. They did their job, and now it's time for the fighter to branch out. And they did offer him. They did offer $2 million to fight Teufimo. That's not nothing. Like, that's a real offer to fight for a world title. That's a winnable fight, too, for Ramirez. I mean, Teafimo was really good. But we've seen Teufima look great, and we've seen to look very average. I think Ramirez could go into that fight believing he could win. I'm just saying, like, I don't know what the pathway to Ramirez fighting for a world title is

until, like, the summer of 2025. Yeah, I don't think he's in a hurry to fight for a world title next. I think he's looking at longevity, the second chapter of his career. He's definitely looking at longevity. He's 31 years old, so, yeah, that's what I would be doing at 31. I fought, you know, I was in my fourth chapter at 31. But I was still thinking of longevity. And look, I fought seven more years, man.

And Golden Boy was one of the promoters I fought with. I fought with top rank. I went all over the place. I bounced from promoter to promoter. And thank God, you know, I made really good money. PBC came around. I got another title shot. So you never know what's around the corner.

You just got to stay optimistic and know that there's several chapters in a boxer's book. And now you're trying to get into a room with Turgiella Sheik to say, hey, no, can you make more of Manfredo 3? Just put up the cash and we'll make more of Mennifer. Either that one, either that one, the trilogy with Manfredo, or I'll do a side show with Jake Paul. Either way, I'm still open for it, Chris Mannix. How many rounds with Jake Paul did you say? I'll do eight minute, two runs. I'll do a side show with him. Let's go. Head here or not.

All right, so we are about a week and a half removed now from the Ryan Garcia-Devin-Haney fights. We've kind of moved on to the part of the story where we ask what's next for Ryan Garcia. I talked to Oscar Delahoya on Fight Night this past weekend. He said he actually ran into Devin Haney running while Devin, while they live in the same community in Vegas. So Devin's already out there trying to shake off that loss, get back, get back

into shape, but keep working towards his next goal. On social media, Oscar has been pretty negative about the rematch between Devin and Ryan. But in our conversation, he said, look, he told Devin to relax, get some rest, bounce back. Maybe next year, we

can do that fight. So there is optimism, I think, that we can get Haney Garcia 2 at some point 2025. But Ryan's going to want to fight before then, right? Like he's going to want to do some kind of event before that. As you look at the landscape right now, what's the right fight? He's not going to fight at

junior welterweight anymore. Maybe it's a full-fledged welterweight, maybe it's somewhere in between. But what is the right fight for Ryan Garcia? Well, he's going to be wanting to fight a welterweight, right? Or some catchweight around... Yeah, I would say 147's probably... 147, okay, so then let's take the weight in mind.

He's going to fight a welterweight. He's going to want to fight someone in the Golden Boy stable. It's not going to be a big fight, you know, a big name because there's nothing but killers that 1-40. It certainly is not going to be Eastside Cruz because that would just be suicide. So I just... I know his dad kind of said, you see his dad in that clip of him. How about Pipple?

That dad says a lot of things. I don't think they're going to want to make that fight next. I think they're going to want to do after this mega event, a big event that he had with Evan Haney. Yes, they would love that rematch, but we know how promoters, it's very hard to get, you know, Eddie Hearn and Deloia and Bob Aram and all these promoters in a room. room unless it's for serious money. So yes, I don't think Haney rematch is next, even though I would love to see that fight. I think it's going to be just someone in the Golden Boy stable. It's probably

going to be a stay busy fight with someone like Alexis Rocha. I'll be honest with you. It's going to be something where it's not going to be a mega fight. It's going to be a stay busy fight. Ryan Garcia will still, you know, make not $8 million, but it'll still make, you know, a few million dollars fighting in Alexis Rocha. You could put it in L.A. It's going to be a popular ticket seller. Rocha sells a lot of tickets. We know Ryan Garcia fills the house. That fight will make perfect sense in a crypto arena. You know, some L.A. Coliseum, the forum, it'll do great.

So I think that's a good to stay busy fight until Haney comes around or he faces one of the big dogs that 140. What do you think of the buzz about Ryan against Errol Spence? I like the Derek James aspect to it now. I like that. A little bad blood there because of that. A little bad blood there. I like the way that Ryan Garcia, he's really crazy like a fox, man.

Just when you think he's crazy, he's smart, so maybe he sees something in Spence. But do you think he's big enough to fight Carroll at 154? Yes, he is. Not at 147. No, no, no, no, 55. This kid fills up nicely.

He has the height and shoulders, and I'm telling you, he looked muscular. So, yes, he can carry 154. Spence has already been beaten down pretty badly twice. Twice, Mannix. Once by Crawford, the other time by Ferrari. or Lamborghini whatever was a car accident oh i'm trying to think of the fighter name Ferrari for a second those are two bad beatings on his body you know he hasn't been the same so yeah it's it's it's prime

picking for ryan garcia so that's what i'm saying he's maybe crazy and appears like a lunatic and says some crazy stuff but he is damn damn smart just just like a marketing genius just like jake paul he's kind of like that but he picks the right style matchup to look good against and And it's an opponent where people can respect and the truth in El Spence. I could see Golden Boy going back to the Roli-Ramero well for this next fight. One more thing to add on top of that.

Put that fight in Texas. How incredible would that fight be? Great atmosphere, yeah. You'll sell 50,000. I mean, they'd probably do it in Vegas, though. There's more money in Vegas. I get it, but I'm just saying if you do it where they fought Mikey Garcia and Cowboys Stadium,

50,000 easily can show up there. But yeah, that's a Vegas fight. I don't know about 50,000. I think you can get 25, 30,000 potentially, but, look, it's a good fight. I do think that Roli Romero is going to be an option there. Roli, of course, the shines come off to him after getting beat up by Issaq Cruz, but you can say, hey, we're going up to a new weight class. You know that Roli would sell a fight.

Like, he would jump up and down and shove each other at the press conference. It would be wild. It would be a pretty wild scene. So I could see that being considered internally at Golden Boy. Spence fight is intriguing. Like if Ryan feels like he can make 154 and still be as fast, as strong, as powerful as he's been at 135 and 140-ish, I think that's an interesting fight. You know, and Spence, look, Spence got in the ring and challenged Sebastian Fondora, but we know that's not going to happen, at least not until December of this year at the very earliest. That's if Fondora decides to give him, give Spence that opportunity.

So I could see that, that fight potentially happening. Let me ask you, though, about the Derek James stuff that broke this past week. You know, Derek, of course, is looking for a bigger piece of the Errol Spence Pie. He was paid $350,000 after the fight against Terrence Crawford last year. Derek James, in his lawsuit, has said, look, we had an agreement for 10%. I found out that Errol Spence made $25 million for that fight, so I want 10% of that. I want $2.5 million as my fee. In fact, I found out as well, I'm paraphrasing Derek James,

that he made more money to fight Danny Garcia than I thought and more money to fight Mikey Garcia than I thought. So Derek James is looking for back pay as well as part of this. Where do you stand on that? As someone that fought for limiting money early in your career, fought for more money a little bit later, where do you stand on what a trainer is owed in these situations? Listen, I had issues like that to myself, and it wasn't $25 million.

You know, it was not even, it was a lot less. But still, I had issues with that too because, you know, whenever a boxer and a trainer link up, their kids, their teenagers, it's a handshake deal, man. So when they turn pros, when they turn professional, it's still a handshake deal. So it all comes down to knowing who you did business with. But once money, tens of millions of dollars gets involved,

then character and friendship and business and all that goes out the window. man, that's when you need to have, you know, a contract laid out. You know, if you make a certain amount of money, I make this percentage. If you pass and exceed that amount of money, then just give me a flat fee. Look at what happened to Triple G when he got that big money. Abel Sanchez, you know, disappeared. So many fighters have come to this crossroad with their trainer once they make tens of millions of dollars. And the ones that stick around, you know, the Canellos.

We never heard Kenello and Eddie Raynoso have. issues over money. And that's because it comes down to character and it comes down to, to friendship before the business. Certain fighters have that and certain fighters don't. So I don't know what to tell you there, Mannix. It's a tricky thing because I get where Errol Spence is coming from as a fighter, but I feel bad and I respect where Derek James is coming from.

It's a fine line, and they should have some paperwork. I think there's a middle ground here where I think Derek James is, deserves more than just the $350,000 that he was paid, but deserves a lot less than $2.5. There you go. I'm with you on that. I wouldn't have given $2.5 million either. It should be a flat fee.

Like Oscar Delahoeia with his trainers over the years negotiated a flat fee. Freddie Roach and Manny Pachia. Mani Pachia does it. Negotiated flat fees. Like that's the mistake that was made, you know, expecting the 10% rule that you had an oral agreement on when he was fighting for $2,500 coming out of the Olympics to still be in place when he's fighting for $2,500.

million against Terrence Crawford in the biggest fight of the year. So, look, I don't think Derek James going to win this because you don't win on a handshake agreement. You don't win on an oral agreement. And by the letter of their agreement, technically, Errol Spence did pay him the 10% of the $2.5 million he was guaranteed in that fight. That was the bare minimum that he was going to make. Of course, he made way more, $25 million plus to fight Terrence Crawford. But I don't think he's, he's going to win that argument. Again, I don't think he should win. I mean, the fighters, they're the ones in the ring. They're the one. Arrow Spence took the beating that night,

not Derek James, right? Like, and not to say Derek James didn't put the work in to help prepare Errol Spence for that fight, but, you know, whether it's 500,000, 750,000, maybe even million dollars off, off that, that purse. Maybe that's what he's owed, but 2.5 million, Sergio, that feels like a lot. I would have, I would have given Derek James at least, one million and and that that's a damn good you know package that's a aside from the 10% that was a that was a guaranteed and and and agreed upon and Beckinnell was not paying Eddie Renoso 10% no way no way Anthony he's paying Anthony Joshua you know his trainers that that money either whenever

you're whenever you cross that that line of like real serious big money which which hasn't always been the case you know these fighters are making obscene's amount of money that's never been seen before for so now when they finally hit that that type of money they're like whoa what do we do and then what do you do you want to hold on to as much as possible especially if you lost that fight because if you would have won it's like all right i got another big fight coming i got another 20 million dollar paycheck but when you lose like galafkin like spends like paquiao then you start thinking oh that might be my last one let me hold on to all yeah but i don't even know about that because the way dark james

has framed it is that he wasn't getting paid the right amount for the other paperview fight that he wants. I just hope I don't hear Derek James having the same issue with Ryan Garcia coming up. I think it, so tell me we think about this. That's going to be the next one. Yeah, but I think it's a lot different when you are taking on an established star, right? Like if you, like you were with your trainer from day one. Errol and Derek James are together from day one.

It was 10% back then when 10% really wasn't a lot of money. When you go to a new trainer, I would bet there's a discussion to be had about how much you're getting paid. You're not just assuming if you're Ben Davison that you're getting 10% of everything Anthony Joshua makes on fight night. You'll be surprised. You think that they believe that going in? You'll be surprised because once a fighter made a name for himself

and he's making all that money and he's looking for a new trainer, that trainer welcomes a cash cow like that, welcomes in, and you'll be glad to get 10% of it. Absolutely, yeah. You think Ben Davidson believes he's getting 10% of everything Anthony Joshua's getting. I don't believe that for a split second. Nor do I believe that Derek James thought he was getting 10% of everything. everything that Ryan gets.

I don't think it's 10% when it comes to Anthony, Josh, for money or Canello or Delocan. I'm curious how Canelo does it, man. But 5% is still a lot of money. 5% is a lot of money. But you've never heard any disagreement between Canelo and his team about how much they're getting paid.

I mean, they've been together from day one. It was Cheppo Renoso, Eddie Renoso. It seems like they're all on the same page with this stuff. That's character, man. It's character. And that man has it. Canelo has a lot of it. Conello stuck with his trainers.

I actually was one of those people advocating for a training change back in 2013 when Canello got smoked by Floyd Mayweather. I thought the game plan was bad. You're always asking people to change trainers. I'm always the one to have him picture in your place. You said the exact same thing when Joshua, you know, lost to Ruiz. You said the exact same thing. No, you weren't right, but okay.

He made the change eventually. And why is he still bouncing around from trainer to trainer? That seems like he's bouncing with Ben Davidson now, though. Well, everyone finds something with Ben Davidson. He's one of the best in the world. Great. Last thing. We are going to be headed to Vegas.

Oh, we finished here, man. This is overtime already. It's not overtime. It's like six questions already. You told me just three or four. We're going to the airport together. What do you want to do? As soon as this is over, we're going to sit on our ass for 25 minutes before we can leave for the airport.

Would you just relax? Vegas waits. Let's go. We can't get there yet. All right. Canello against Mungia, Saturday, DeZone pay per view. Canelo is a big favorite. And understandably so.

But the more I think about this fight, Sergio, the more of a chance I'm given Jaime Mungia. Maybe it's because we've seen the improbable. happen a lot over the last few weeks, whether it is what Ryan did to Devin, what we just saw Rancis Bratelamy almost due to Jose Ramirez. But we've got a good young fighter in Jaime Mungia that throws a lot of punches going up against a once great world champion who maybe isn't as great as it used to be? I mean, I think that's fair to say. Is this fight closer than people? think it's going to be because the perception is Canello by brutal knockout and maybe that happens but that's the perception is this fight more competitive do you think than people think

I'm glad you changed the words from closer to competitive because I was going to say no not closer because it could still be a great and entertaining fight but it's going to be one-sided it's going to be competitive it's going to be physical it's going to be a good old Mexican standoff man I'm talking about Barrera Morales. I mean, I know it sounds like lunacy or blasphemy, but that's how good of a Chemungia has. He's younger. He's fresher. He's bigger. He's probably stronger. And that's going to play a part in this. Canelo doesn't take chances anymore. You said it. He's not the great fighter he once was because, man, he has 64 fights. He's been fighting. He was 15 years old, blah, blah blah blah all that goes out the window you don't have the same uh engine that you once had you have

to fight differently mungia only has one engine he has one gear for god's sake and that's forward to try to take your head off so the i would normally pick canello and by knockout here but because mungia has that chin and he's so big and he and he's gonna hydrate bigger and he's motivated he has enough time to prepare and he's been groomed for this moment golden boy promotions and everyone around team Mungia has prepared them for this Canello cash out. If Canello would have had him five fights ago, Canela would have wiped the floor with them easy. But because Mungia has had the Derevanchenko's and the confidence of knocking out a John Ryder,

someone who Canelo could have knocked out, ignorance may be bliss, man, and confidence may be soaring for Mungia, but I think this is a winnable fight. And the closer it gets, the more I study it, I'm with you, and I'm with that other crazy lunatic Todd Grisham, who called it from the beginning. He was the only one that said, I'm picking Mungia in this fight. He was the only one so far.

He's picking Mungia? He's picked Mungia back when we were in a, I forget where we were. But yeah, we did a round table and he picked Mugia. So the closer it gets, yeah, man, I think Mungia is going to give a lot of issues to Canello, but I still think Canello gets them late. Canello carries his power late. and even though he was struggling with a killer plant,

he was struggling with COVID. He finds that way to knock you out. And I think the similar thing happens here. Only I think it happens maybe one round sooner in the 10th. So the changes that we've seen him, Canelo in recent fights are twofold. One, he doesn't throw the same number of punches that he used to. The numbers, they back that up.

Second, defensively, I see that clip on our social media, his own social media all the time of Canello avoiding shots. none of those clips are from recent fights, right? They're from Daniel Jacobs and what he did there. And some of his earlier stuff against like Austin Trout and Erislandi Lara, where he slipped punches a lot. He rolled with punches. Doesn't do that anymore.

Kind of parries more, eats them in his gloves, is a different kind of defensive fighter at this stage of his career. Look, if this fight goes to a decision, I think Mungia is going to win. I think his punch output is going to be vastly more significant than Canelo's. I can see him winning a decision if it gets there. But Mungia's chin is suspect, Sergio. What?

It's suspect. He is not. Mungia's chin is suspect. You are nuts. No, it is because he gets hurt against lesser punchers. He has been hurt against Spico Sullivan. He has been hurt against Sergey Dervincenko. He was hurt at times against John Ryder.

You get hurt by those types of punchers and then you go in with Canello. Canelo hits like a mule, dude. Canello hits the body, hits the skull. He hits like a mule. So my concern with Mungia is that he's going to walk into a massive counter shot at some point, the kind of counter shot he can't take. I think Canelo beats him down to the body. I've seen Mungia hurt to the body too.

I've seen him hurt to the head with Sullivan and Teryana Johnson. Everyone's hurt. You know, rocked. I wouldn't say hurt, rocked Mungia. Okay, that's all I'm saying. I think the body's going to be the bullseye for Canelo. And then from there he starts, you know, battering him up. And I think speed and explosiveness is on Canelo's side.

it's a type of fire where it can be stopped late but Mungia is in this fight in the first half of the fight it's going to be fireworks man fireworks I'm telling you it's going to be a great fight for six rounds Do you think that Mungia is going to fight the same way he's fought everybody else?

He knows no other way he knows no other way he's not going to come out he's not going to come out trying to box on the back for you like Deonté Wilder in Saudi no way he's going to go forward

he's going to go looking to make a Mexican style and 18,000 Mexicans are going to be cheering him on because like I said They built them for this moment and now it's here. Time to cash out, whether it's cashing out, with money, but cash out going out on your shield. That's Mungia. That's Mexican style.

He's not great defensively. That's my concern. And I think he's going to hit with something big. And when Canello hits you upstairs, one of those shots you don't see coming because he's still really fast, I think that's going to stop. So give me your official prediction then. How does this fight end? Canelo Mungia. Canelo 10th round knockout.

I'm going to say seventh round knockout. I think Mungia, to your point, is going to be fun. early on. I think he's going to land some shots. Look, he's going to try to take a page out of Dimitri Bevo playbook, right? Like, he's going to throw a lot of punches and hope that Canello puts his guard up and doesn't respond with big shots in return. But I don't think he has the chin of Bevel. He's not as big. He doesn't have the footwork of Bebel. I know all those things. Yeah, he can't get in and out. He's just going to be there to get hit. And I think he's going to get something inside seven rounds, I'm going to say. You know who's not going to get hit?

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