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Episode Date: May 18, 2024

Joining Mannix this week from Riyadh is former super featherweight champion Barry Jones. Mannix and Jones break down Saturday’s huge heavyweight unification fight between Tyson Fury and Oleksandr Usyk. Later, Todd Grisham joins to talk about the recently announced worldwide release of the newest boxing video game, Undisputed. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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If you are not a subscriber, get over to the Box with Chris Maddox feed. Hit that subscribe button. Make sure you get this pod in your feed every single week. So I am in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. the scene, the site of the Alexander Ussick Tyson Fury heavyweight unification fight that goes down on Saturday night, live on the zone. I guess it's Sunday, no, Saturday afternoon in the U.S. I mean, I may be stumbling over my words here because, full disclosure, I don't remember the last time that I slept. I left New York City at 11 a.m. on Thursday morning.

I arrived in Riyadh at 11 a.m. on Friday morning. I have not slept yet. And as I record this, it is about 1.30 a.m. technically Saturday morning. So delirium may be starting to set in a little with me. But I am glad to be here because I think this is going to be a huge event, great undercard, and we will have a brand new undisputed heavyweight champion crowned, hopefully, could be a draw, I guess. Hopefully we get a winner on Saturday night.

So we're going to talk a lot about this fight coming up. Barry Jones is the former Super Featherweight champion. He's going to be on the call, on the DeZone broadcast on Saturday. I talked to Barry about all things Fury and Usik from the lackluster performance from Tyson Fury in his last fight against France in Ghanou. to Usik and the kind of stops and starts he's had over the last few years, basically been a once a year fighter since he made the move to heavyweight. Is that going to affect him in this fight?

What kind of styles can we expect from both guys? What kind of strategies? I unpack all that with Barry Jones. A little bit later on, Todd Grisham, who is my broadcast partner with the Zone. He is also the vice president of global acquisitions with the undisputed video game. That game is coming up. out on PS5, Xbox, all the major consoles come October. I talked to Todd about the long, long buildup to the release of the first boxing video

game in over a decade. What can you expect? What kind of characters? What kind of techniques are they going to apply? I'd get into all that and more with Todd Grisham. So, great episode coming up for you today. As always, subscribe, rate, review this podcast on Apple Podcast, Spotify, wherever you down. I'm going to go to bed now.

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And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a here, unpack what we? went down and tried to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 was big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so you all know. I mean, at this point, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack, so I'm starting to see that there's a through line.

We also have AIDS on the table right now, so. Thank you for finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You know what the show has been missing, Barry? More Welsh. More Welsh. It needs more Welsh on the show.

You'll need more subtitles, I would feel, if the more Welsh people you get. Well, we have enough Mexicans. Well, one Mexican in particular, we've had enough of. He's not here. He's not with us. this week, but there's enough of the Mexican. So I think we need more Welsh here on the show. And that's why we have you, Barry Jones, former Super Featherweight Champion. And we are in Riyadh, where we'll be working Saturday's

undisputed heavyweight championship fight between Tyson Fury and Alexander Usig. You have been here, Barry, for a few days. You're acclimated. I just got in here a couple of hours ago, and I am on my second Red Bull.

And I've also had a triple espresso in the last three hours. You look surprisingly good for some who hasn't slept and has been traveling. I'm battling right now. That flight from New York, it was New York to Qatar and then Cutter to Riyadh. But that New York to Cutter flight is like 14 hours. And you just can't decide on the plane like, when am I going to sleep? What am I going to do?

Because I'm getting in here at 11 a.m. I'm leaving New York at 11 a.m. Try to manage it is a challenge. And the worst thing is over here, everything's in the night. Yes. This is in New York or something. You would have done the press conference with on. You couldn't have gone to bed.

Yes. Yeah, we're recording this before the way in, which happens at 8 o'clock, 9 o'clock at night local time. So I'm just trying everything humanly possible, short of hard drugs to get through the evening. What if you, if I have to say one thing, if you fall asleep, I'm definitely shaving your eyebrows. No, no.

You see these caterpillars? If I can reach, because I'm short and you're quite tall. Can you remember we did that? We didn't do Avedabee. We did a little piece for the zone. I liked to stand on a box. That's true, yes. You got,

so you don't remember. Can I sue for that? I don't know. No, we've had, we've had people that have worked with us in the past that have used the Apple Box, that have,

have hopped on there because, you know, I'm freakishly tall for someone on TV, about six foot three. So we, that's not the first person's had to use that. Let's just, let's just say that.

All right, so I want to talk about everything to do with, Usik and Fury. But I got to get your take on what's been going on in the US over the last week involving Mike Tyson. Because during your fighting days, you were fighting right around the same time Mike was going in the 1990s,

you know, kind of when he was at the peak of his popularity or close to it. What have you made of Iron Mike coming back for a real fight at 58 years old? Yeah, it's stupid. Mike Tyson, I live in legend. the most recognisable person in sports.

But, and he might be fit, and he might still be able to throw like a killer left hook and a fantastic uppercut. And, you know, he knows out the box and the other guy doesn't really, though he doesn't look too bad, but, you know, there's levels to this game, of course. But you're old, and it's a dangerous sport.

And a big guy, whether he can fight or not, can still throw power shot, and you can get hit. And I always say with people about when people get the end of their careers quite often and they look great in the gym. But then when they get to a fight, they get knocked out. And I think it's your vision. It goes when you're older and you just don't see it.

So when you're younger and you're fit in your sharper, you see a punch coming from the shoulder. And if you can't go out the way, you can brace yourself for it. You know, you have a good chin because you're bracing yourself. You're collecting a shot. But when you only see it when it's four inches from your face, you can't brace for it. And that's what the punches you don't see are the ones that knock you out. And that's what I'm waiting for a 58-year-old man who hasn't lived the greatest lives outside of the rain.

Let's not forget that. Didn't look great in his last fight whenever that was. I can't even remember it was so far back. Well, no. Oh, the real fight. Oh, God. The end of Mike's career was bad. That was Danny Williams.

It was Kevin McBride. Peter McNeely. Yeah. Well, McNeeley was even earlier. Yeah, but even then he was gone. By then, I thought, he wasn't the same force. I think it was a clear decline in him. And so, you know, it's how we're expecting,

1987, Mike Tyson, all of a sudden now, because he's on, because he's on Instagram. It's, that's what it seems so. It doesn't, it doesn't bode well. And I hope it goes fine. But what if it doesn't? Then it's a bad look for everyone. And also, you know, the health implications,

that's the biggest factor of all. So, no, I'm not a fan of it. I want everyone to do it many, Chris. I want to even doing fortunes. More, me first. But in reality, what's money when you can't spend it? When you, you know, when you spend them all this money, when you all you do is paying hospital bills and carers to look after you.

And that's the, and people say, oh, that's over the top, but that's the potential what could happen. Because we know we've been in the sport. We've seen the sport long enough to see people. We know people who are having to have care, 24 hours care. Because they've taken too many punches. So I'll rattle on a bit more. I keep going over the same point, but I'm not a huge fan.

I talked about this last episode, but the nightmare is kind of what happened to Evander Holyfield. If you remember that from a few years ago, where Evander fought Vitor Belfort, and Vitor Belfort as a former UFC fighter, he came out to take Avander Holyfield's head off, and he put a pretty decent beating on Avander before that fight was ultimately stopped.

I don't think that's going to happen with Tyson, Jake Paul. Look, if you watched any of the press tour this week, which wrapped up in Texas on Thursday, like these two guys just like old pals in a way like they're kind of chumming around you know there's the two minute rounds which is going to be helpful to Mike there's the 14 ounce gloves which are going to be helpful to Mike um I think this is going to be kind of a goofy little exhibition if we're being if I'm predicting yeah but like Jay Paul's an intelligent man he's charismatic and he can probably act well if it was Disney kids who knows but but but it's he's not good enough to coast to fight he's not good enough to hold his punches back he doesn't know he hasn't got that experience Mike Tyson can or

you know when you get two former legends they can make you look to the non the non-boxer eye if you will make it look really competitive not really hurt each other we all know that but it's but he hasn't got the experience to do that so if he throws a punch he's going to throw a punch even if he doesn't put a lot on it

if he twists his body into it's a shot and that can be the worry for anyone but I mean Tyson can hold his punches back. I think he did in that Roy Jones fight. I remember if you watched it. I thought he could have gotten Roy out of there if you really wanted to. So that made it look competitive

because there are two guys who know what they're doing, even though they're way past their cell by date. Jake doesn't. And also, will he want to? He might build it up like this. Mike, take you nice and easy. Mike, we, okay, no problem.

And then all of a sudden, he sees a shot and just thinks, because he doesn't care about, I knocked out the 50-year-old Mike Tyson. He's just going to say, I knocked up Mike Tyson. and then by next year that's all that will matter

that will be the story I mean he's made a living and not care of what people think I'm looking at a guy who's building the same way but having that thick skin a gift isn't it and most people haven't got it

but he has that so he will just be selfishly do what he wants to do what's best for his career and if he thinks knocking Mike Tyson on to that and if he has the opportunity to do it

he will do it if he's able you know he shouldn't be able but he's still like I'm 50 though I know I don't know I only look 52 but no no older than 49

I'll take that to tell you but you know like I'm slower now and I'm a little fidgety like tiny hyperactive guy and I've noticed that I've noticed the slowness and I and I don't drink I'm drunk so I was 17 so I know I don't drink I don't take drugs I haven't abused my body in that much I eat a lot of chocolate and ice cream and stuff but

apart from that you know but like he has yeah the history of doing what he wanted to do so I can't see if they play with each other, it'll be a horrible watch. And if they don't, someone could get hurt. I mean,

that's boxing in general, but I mean, I just don't, I'm not a fan of it. Yeah, I get that. I think that's an opinion shared by many people that have.

Unless I'm working it. And if anyone wants to offer me a job, then it's a fantastic fight. Shout out to Netflix. If you're looking for a broadcaster, Barry Jones, ready to fly over to Arlington, Texas the weekend of last week of July.

All right, so let's talk about Usik and Fury here, which is a fight roughly three years in the making. When you go back to when Ussick first knocked off Anthony Joshua to win the Unified Championship, it's felt that Times, Barry, that this fight was snake-bidden. Most recently you had the cut that prevented this fight from happening. In February, that cut happened just weeks before the scheduled date. Did any part of you think that maybe we were just never going to get this fight?

All of me thought that. Go back to the same point. in the sport as long as I have knowing that we're cynics now. Unless we see them touch gloves. I mean, we've seen people get in the ring and walk out. So unless they touch gloves, you know, and the bell goes, the fight's not happening. So you tend to think it was never going to happen. There's always a reason.

And that main reason is always financial or ego where somebody wants to be on the left-hand side of the poster, wants a big dressing room, wants the ring walk first and all that rubbish, which I think is rubbish, but to them it's a bigger deal. But ultimately, it's the money. who's going to get the biggest share? The fact, I'll offer you $50 million. Hang on, you're giving $51 million. It's just Baltimore, but you're getting $50 million.

Well, I want $52. It's that, again, that ego thing. I'm right, good for them, but I thought that would be the stumbling block. They're not scared to fight each other. No fight is scared to fight anyone, I don't think. But the money was the stumbling block. But now, no, that's no longer the case there

because we've got people in Saudi, where we are now, that just have a, no, massive giant pockets. And an appetite to spend on boxing. Oh, well, oh, well, how lucky we, to be honest. Look at the roster that they're bringing up potentially done. You're not potentially in reality and potentially further on. No, after August 3rd is in. August 3rd, L.A., yeah.

You know, that's, oh, I've got to go there. But it's just, no, it's amazing. It's like, I'm a proper boxed all my life, but I'm a proper boxing fan. I love boxing. And that's why I always slag off my world title, because I, boxing probably should be. I wouldn't be a world champion. I say it all the time, because I love boxing. I was a good fight there, but to be a world champion, it should be special.

and so I'm honest about it because I'm a fan before I'm a fighter so all these fights we're seeing now it's just like oh dream coming true and whatever they are people have moaning oh it's in Saudi Arabia

there's no atmosphere or so or in Saudi Arabia for other reasons whatever you know and I understand those people have to oh we have to travel but the modern boxing fan in the UK have been spoiled because of Anthony Joshua but when I was a kid and when I was boxing any Brit who was good

had to go to America and what was the 70 was New York and 80s, 90s, 2000, it was Las Vegas. You had to go, that was where the fighters were and that's where the money was. So ultimately, unless you were selling

stadiums back in the UK, which only a few fighters could do that, or you had a rival like Ben and Eubank, and you stayed away from all the Yanks and you just boxed each other and in four years. Well, that's fine, that can happen. They were good fighters, world-class fighters,

but unless you want to, you want to fight the best and get the biggest money and the biggest occasion, you have to fly to the States. Now you're only flying six hours, and it's only a two-hour time different. So for fans, boxing fans, and not having to get up in the UK,

not the US, bless them. But they don't have to get up though for three o'clock in the four o'clock in the morning. They just have to, you know, they can go bed at midnight. Do you think that, off topic, do you think Anthony Joshua has to fight in the US again? Would it be a stain if he retires 0 and 1 with one knockout in US fights? I think that's the perspective on where you live. I think the US fan in media would think that

because, you know, that big arrival into New York was his, you know, announcement of I am, you know, I'm not only the world champion, but I'm just going to take over that everything. And he's the perfectly marketing dream, isn't he? For everything. If he, if he would have won that fight,

then all everyone in the US loves him, and that might be... If Andy DeReeds doesn't get up from that first left hook, wow, we're talking about an entirely different path. Again, he's getting big money in the UK, but his money with a doubled. If he's headlined in the US, because of your TV broadcasters

and the pots that you have of goals. I think he, for himself he wants to, I would feel. But it's how he looks at it. To me, it wouldn't matter. I think the fact that he's coming back and winning fights again, that's important. And to regain the championship of the world is very important.

But he has to fight. He's not going to be dozig again. He's not going to, he's boxing twice. He's boxing at three times, he won't win. I don't think. I think that's all wrong for him. And I don't think he beat, Fury.

But that's the fight when I see, him and Fury. So I think that's, if he doesn't get that one, then if you got to beat Fury, then he's

in the conversation about who was the best of their era. And there's only a few in it. And it has made a great era of quality. It's been exciting fights, but I think the quality

hasn't been fantastic. That's why we've had standouts, I feel. But yeah, I think that's more of a US point of view, which is understandable, by the way,

because you've been the home of boxing, almost since boxing. I mean, for a while, I don't think boxing happened outside the US. Does it does any... Yeah.

I'm just kidding about that. I have a similar sort of view. I'm a British boxer, but I... All this loyalty for fighters, like, boxing's an individual sport. I was a sugar A. Leonard fan. If I could get his name, I was Sugar A. Leonard's fan. I love Sugar-Lennan.

Who didn't? And as a young kid growing up, I wanted to be him. I've done more rounds of shadow boxing of him than I have actual rounds of my own fights. But, you know, when he boxed Day Boy Green, it was a British fighter and a good fighter. I didn't want Dave Bo Green to win

I want Ray Leonard regardless of where he's from so you know it's not you shouldn't have to you shouldn't have to be forced to support someone who's from your country

and it's from your city or your street sure understandably there's a little bit more and you might want like I want Joe Cochardine to win because he's Welsh but ultimately

if he's boxing the different weights Roman Gonzalez who's my favourite fighter of the last 15 years then I don't want him to beat Roman Gonzalez that's just

because I Because I'm like literally besotted by him. So, you know, and that's the difference. So I don't, yeah. Yeah. So when it comes to Fury, if this fight had been made a year ago, Fury probably would have gone into it as a three to one favorite, maybe a four to one favorite.

You know, coming off the year that he had, knocking out Dillion White, just blasting out Derek Chesora, I think a lot of people would have made him a big favorite. Fast forward to today, and if you look at the odds, Barry, they're really close. Maybe Fury's a slight favorite somewhere. I've seen some sports books where Usik is a slight favorite. It's effectively a 50-50 type of fight. I think a lot of that is, you know, from the Fury in Ganu fight and what people saw in Fury

and, you know, wondering what that means. Is it, you know, a sign of decline? Is he just not what he used to be? How do you feel about that? Like, do you look at the Fury and Gano fight as being an aberration, something that he didn't prepare for and is easily easy to move past from? Or is it something more significant? Does it represent something different with Tyson Fury? I think potentially it's a bit of both.

I certainly thought he was just a money grab for him. Foxen the guy here. He's big, but who cares? I'll stand him on his head. Could I've done that to others. And I don't think he prepared well for Chisora or Dilliamite. and he made easy work of those he just waited for him to make a mistake

that's all he had to do and then so with Fury and Usick as well maybe especially Fury when you judge his decline is difficult because he he boxes once every 18 months or whatever it is

you know it's ridiculous he doesn't box often enough to really to show an obvious decline but if you really think about it he hasn't had a stellar performance since February 2020 that was the second wilder fight where he boxed fantastically well

outer character for him not no but back then auto character he went forward and he boxed fantastic and he got the stoppage and it was a privilege to be ringside but since the third wild the fight was a better fight to watch but not a better performance from him

because he got caught way too many times and almost got knocked out didn't he great for us not good for him and then the white fight he didn't box great against the pass itself by Dylan White I felt

and Gizorra he'd seen that twice before so we knew all and then in Gant, it was awful. He scraped all the line against a novice. So it looks there to be a decline. And that's a problem for him because this is the how to fight of his career, stylistically, mentally.

They're not physically, but mentally and stylistically, because you've got a guy here who's clever. So I feel the things that you can do well might not work. And I think that's for both of them, if they're both on point. Things you do well might not work. And then you have to adapt. And when you've had a few years now,

that's four years, when you run around to really think about what you're doing, doing, can you still click into gear mentally? I'm not quite sure. Use it or lose it, as they people say, but I think it's quite an apt saying, especially for sports, you have to keep fit, keep those muscles

working all the time, you have to keep your brain in check. You have to keep thinking, learning about the sport. He's dined out and he's been, of our studies boxing, but he hasn't for a long time, I don't think. But when he's brilliant, he's brilliant.

That's the truth. He's the most adaptable heavier we've had for such a long, long time. The fact that I don't think he knows what he's going to do round by round. So first of all, I think, how'd you train him? How'd you corner him? Right, Tyson, what are you going to do it is?

And he's thinking, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he gets him into something totally different. You're like, what? And it might be better, by the way. And how'd you fight, how you train for him? That's the worst, because you're not sure what version you're going to get.

But if you look at his last four fights, you see the version you're going to get and it's not that impressive. It's beatable. So that's why makes it a much closer fight and it would have been, as you said, a few years back. And there's a lot of you can attribute that to. It's, look, he's 35 years old.

He's been a heavyweight in a boxer for a long time. We talked about Mike Tyson, not exactly living the healthiest life out of the ring. Tyson Fury well documented. His issues outside the ring, the weight fluctuation, all the things he's had to deal with over the last 10 years or so. And look, the Wilder fights were great, but they probably took something out of them.

Yeah, oh yes. You go 30, whatever it is, 30 some odd rounds with Deontay Wilder. You get knocked down, what, three times over three fights, not to mention the shots you took that didn't knock you down. I mean, that's a trilogy that defines you, but it also, I think, takes a lot out of you. I think so, yeah. You know, that, I thought you won the first fight, and I thought he boxed superbly well. But I was ringside for that fight as well. and when he went down

he wasn't getting up I don't know I mean one of the great moments in recent boxing yesterday I always say to people on my job being a co-comitator I say that's the best work

I've ever done I never said a word I never spoke who wasn't my place it was the main commentators he was so exciting and he did like the rest of the round

I could I know but I had to I had to do that that's the best job I've ever done because I thought I can't mention about oh if he just

puts his left foot over to it's a exciting moment it was just unbelievable It was great for me I could just watch the fight then But it was Yeah, but that's a draining experience

I think And the second fight We got caught a few times But that wasn't so bad But the third fight was a war A real war And great to watch But you're right

It takes miles at the clock And also You know Things catch up with you Over the year How you live your life You see people who give up smoking 25 years ago

And then they still get And they're getting Lung Cancer bless them And it's because You've done the damage It's irreparable You've helped yourself You might have got it

10 years before if you didn't stop smoking but it's still gonna catch up with you not for everyone by the way don't panic people but you see it sometimes you do damage your body you can't recover

even if on the outside and for a while it looks like you have and that might be the case but I think inactivity as we always say is a killer in this sport and they don't fight often enough

I don't know why could they get paid fortunes and they're all greedy why wouldn't you want to fight I mean I'm not that greedy but I'd be fighting three times a week if I could have the money there I'm in a minimum of two times a year

and look I thought that Canelo Alvarez's, you know, approach to boxing is the right one. You fight at least two times on those big days. And sometimes you see Canello fight in December of that year. Get a third fight in before the end of the year. I'm sorry, Joe Parker had you have three fights in a run. And that was a huge reason he beat Deonté Wilder. Oh, could he sharp?

Huge reason. Deonté had been out of the ring. He fought one round in two and a half years or something like that. And Joe was fresher, sharp, right? That's a big reason he won. Anthony Joshua, four fights in a 12-month period. Big reason he won. But are he looked better at every fight?

different, different than better, sharper. Because he's getting his eye in, he's getting comfortable. He feels more confident. All those things can help because you're active. Working with, you know, we saw Joe Parker, you know, and Joe talked about this, you know, his relationship with Andy Lee in the early fights wasn't what it became in the later fights.

Like they developed trust, the chemistry with the corner. Same thing with AJ, working with Ben Davison, you know, working that kind of stuff out. So, yeah, I'm with you. Activity is huge for boxing. I will say this about Tyson. and we're recording this before the way in, but he looks great.

Like, you know, the Tyson we saw against Ngano weighed 277. That was a career high. He told me this week he thinks he's going to come in around 265, 267. I bet he's less than that. I could be proven wrong, but he looks closer to the guy

that fought Vladimir Klitsko at 247 than anything we saw in the last fight against Ingano. Yeah, well, he said to us, we had him on the stream for the zone, and he said that he still thinks he's going to come in not too much lighter than he has been. I can't... He said,

he said, I don't know, he said, my body's changed, but I think I'm just as heavy. And I, he knows. He never take what types of... It's a scale in every room

in these hotels, you're talking about. But, and I, when we spoke to, I spoke to a trainer, and he pretty much said, I don't care about his weight. I'm not interested in his weight.

I'm interested how he performs at the weight he's at. Do you believe that? I think that's stupid. Like Sugar Hills, he's a fantastic trainer. I wouldn't agree. I've never trained anyone in my life.

But I just think, no, I think you find an optimum weight that you're good at and you try and replicate that. I mean, to anyone, anybody budding sportsmen listening, journal your life for the American. Put a diary for your life for the Brits. Journal your life. If you want to be a sportsman, I think you have to do that. You have to know how you felt, what time you got up, how you felt,

when you woke up. I've never did it, by the way. It takes a discipline. But now, you have to be, now everyone knows about nutrition. and everything's at the edge, but to know, if you can go back when you were the best performance

of your career and try and mirror that, you're not going to get 100% because things in life change, but try and mirror that. Or you felt that's training and a builder, or your weight you were,

what the optimum weight, when you felt the best in training, what weight were you training at? So that's what you've got to get too quicker to train, to fight better. Or you lose the weight. You do too many rounds. And you're over the time,

over the years then, when you're from a kid to an adult, you'll know roughly how you're going to be putting. It's not a complete science, but I think that's the way forward. It's not the way forward, because my father saw a documentary in the 80s about some American football player,

and I think his dad sort of did that for him as a kid. I don't know who it is, and I hope somebody does know, and he ended up playing for one of your big teams. You might, not show forever, but you're not sure he was a big star, but it was that.

I mean, that's a horrible childhood, but I mean, but for someone that was a good amateur who might want to be a pro, That's not a bad way to start. And I think that's what they probably don't do. Now, they should know where he's training and that's what when he looks good at. Not sure, or you look good, stay at that weight.

Well, what weight do you? Whatever weight you are, stay there. He's got to be mobile, but he also has to have that physical advantage where he can lean and push and pull. And also, the bigger you are, the easier to absorb the punch, the power of the punch. Most certainly. You know who probably does journal their life, Auxed out of it. Like, he looks like a guy that has that kind of discipline. And look, he's been plagued by inactivity as well.

He, since he became a heavyweight, he has been a once a year fighter. He fought Chas Wittlespoon back in 2019. He's only fought one time per year over the last five years. But he seems to be getting better as he goes along. Like, you know, you look at the two white wins over A.J., they were terrific. Outside of that one moment against Daniel Dubois, he won every minute. of that single fight with Usik,

do you see any signs of regression? Because Usik is two years older than Tyson Fury. But I think the difference, again, if he was more active, he would be better again, I feel, if that's possible. But I mean, Chaba,

if that's possible, actually, when we're talking about. But I would say he probably lives a better life outside of the fighting, outside of the fight camps. He surely enjoys himself, but I can see him

doing some of the things that Tyson Furrier has done in the past. I might still do, no, I don't know. but I just can't see that and I can't see his life being as hectic as Tyson's free Netflix series

well that takes away your concentration and also you don't know even your desire to want to be a sports I love what Tyson says I'm going to go home and live my quiet life bro you've written three books and have a Netflix series like there's nothing quiet about your life and I don't blame you can look to you cash out

cash in or whatever you go on don't cash out please keep going but cash in well you because fame is fickle and it won't last forever and even though he's a giant and a heavy champion in the world they still won't be, people will go knocking your door all the time for you.

So, you know, you take the money while it's there, and good luck to him. But again, it can affect your boxing career. And I think Alexander Luzik lives a quieter,

seems a quieter life, and are more disciplined. So I wouldn't be shocked if he does have a journal or people do it for him and they structure his life. I think they're very still Soviet-like in their approach to,

you know, every man has a job, and he do that job well, and he don't, like we have, over here in the UK and part of the US your trainers are too many things because you only had a trainer

but I box you didn't have all these nutritionists and their strength and conditioning coaches I forgot that they were called because we never had them but your training did all your work no he just does the pads and the technical side and actually they don't do pads no other trainers they get someone else to do the pads

so you know they just do what do they do actually no wonder they're only on 10% but you know it's but no it's and so I think they're like that they have this guy does nutrition And this way does this, he checks the weight. This one does that one.

And make sure you, you know, they probably take his blood and make sure they test it, but not something about drugs. People start. Make sure that he's all healthy inside. I would imagine it's all. So, yeah, I think, well, yeah, if anyone would have a journal, it would be him. So he lives a better life.

So, in fact, the only boxes once a year. Not by his choice, of course. Like, he has tried. Yeah. He's had some bad luck. Obviously, the pandemic, screwed everyone over there. and this fight, you know, he was originally supposed to fight him in December of this year. Yeah.

It's just been one set back after another for Ousick. But I'd say he is, like over the last five fights, and we called his first fight against Chaz Witherspoon, where he looked kind of okay. There was the Jazeera fight where he got pushed around a little bit early on. Really ever since that fight, we have seen Usoc just look like an elite heavyweight. I mean, going into the A.J. fight, into A.J.'s backyard,

and he beat some pillar to post. rematch over in Saudi Arabia the last fight against Dubois, like forget regression. I feel like I'm seeing growth in this. I think so. People criticized the Dubai performance and I thought

and I glad you mentioned it really long because I thought that was just a typical performance. I don't, like he never wins wrongs, especially early. He never wins wrongs big. He makes you work hard and he just says it keeps it close or wins the wrong

but he makes you work hard and then later that he thought he did. I thought he did. I thought he did. thought it was fine. If anything, I thought the low blow, which, and it was a low blow.

Like, I don't know, like, that needs to be taken out of the conversation. Like, wow, it was controversial. No, it was.

By the way, I was sat ringside, right on the, right on the apron, but, and you could hear the song that hit the protector. Like,

and the referee didn't state that that was a good shot. That was a legal shot. And because he was supposedly high. I didn't think it was high either. He's gad. So he just got hit, and people say,

oh, we didn't hit him in the crown jewels. And then you all know of the crown jewels. Yeah, yeah. But it's an abdominal protector. It's not just for that. It's for all the organs you have there that you don't have mustard protected from.

So that's where they have it. You've got your appendix or whatever else you've got there. You know, it's like the tubes and all sorts. I'm not a doctor, obviously. So it's there to protect you. And all this borderline. If it's, also what can be boring? If it's illegal, it's illegal.

Not on purpose. And sometimes you get hit there. It doesn't bother you. And he milked it. But it's his right to milk it. If it hurt him, it hurt him. You're allowed. Five minutes.

And he took it. But that did Dubai a favour. I thought Dubai was starting the tyre. And Dubai did really well, I thought. Yeah. He was never winning. But he was competing really well. And I thought he showed...

And that gave him the confidence to beat Jemel Baby Miller, I thought his next contest. Because he thought, actually, I did well against there. And also, everyone told him he really should have won the fight, which was nonsense. But... Arousic just does that. I think he's been a growing heavy with.

The Chazora fight, which was not close, I didn't think. The early rounds, he struggled with the size. but he's going to, isn't he? He's adapting to the strength because Ouzig as a cruiserweight wasn't a lot of chengal that we all sort of think he was he would just pressurised

you the front foot and cleverly of course but he'd have his hand tight and he block a lot and he just bully you because he was a big cruiserate and he bully you with finesse and just keep the rounds close

and once you tie that six rounds like it does a heavier but differently more physical and he block and counted with the same hand and he just break your heart and knock you out Tony Bell is a prime example Tony looked like he was doing well

but he was doing so hard just to stay stay in there with him to keep the fight close and then once he got tired he has no resistance and he hits him at the shot that he hit him with 15 times before and he knocked him down and out so don't not out I don't Tony

Tony denies he was knocked out officially he was knocked out officially I'm not saying he's bigger than me actually everybody's bigger than me but so but as a heavy way he's done it differently He still does the same thing. He still makes you work hard.

And I always say, I've been saying, this is my new saying now, rather than pivot, I say pivot all the time. And I'm saying, it's a semicircle around the target, and that's the space you have to dominate.

And that, like someone like Bam Rodriguez, you know, I love Bam, and we all do. He does that so well. He goes right around that semi-circle on the body. So he throws half a step back

and moves the left or right. Lomachenko still does it. So I'm doing that against Cambosus a couple weeks ago. And, you know, and what that does is, it keeps you in a safe place like people like me

we use the boxing straight line so I would I throw punch you put myself in a safe place but my safe place is it goes too far back and you can't hit again those that Uzek there's a heavyweight now Lamachengo

they do it close to the target they throw and then they use that semicircle they go to the left of the right they're in a safe place to throw again and if you turn it's only a short time but for them the quick thinking fighters you square up

They have a shot down the middle. So they get, they get to go again first, and then they can move away, or they get involved in a battle, or whatever it is, but that, that's, so you have to turn with him. I would say that with you,

he might be coming against, he might be coming up against a fighter who can turn with him. Because Fury, if he is a bit lighter, and I think that might be attacked for him, to come a little bit lighter, to be able to be more mobile as the rounds get on

when he does start to tire. Being the big headway, it's great. But not, in a really hard fight, when the fight we have to think all the time which drains you physically that mental thought you don't want to be carrying

an access weight round 9, 10, 11 and 12 because all that comes is a burden of course. Early in the fight is a thing. And what Lennox Lewis said about the jab being the best weapon for anyone,

certainly a heavyweight, you want the jab to be solid only if you're aggressive. If it's not, it's got to be fast and flicking and you've got to be looking to move and lean and spin. That's Lennox channeling Emmanuel Stewart still

in his grave still channeling a manual, the jab to But being aggressive in fights problems because you know all aggressive fighters these people are saying

that aggressive fighters can't take a punch and it's not true but they're just in the danger zone so they're going to get hit with the brunt of power more than you are

if you're backing away so they tend to get punches to get knocked out because they're trying to knock you out where people like me don't get knocked out until my last fight but they don't get knocked off

until because you're never in the range with Elko you're not doing the work to win a fight or be impressive or whatever it is so or to get the stoppage is certainly for me and so that's um that's what happens so you if you're going to be aggressive there's always a risk that's attached to that but i don't think fury because i don't think there's any the power issue was going to be the worry for fury with uzick that we can hit

usyc by the way is a heavyweight we got to stop saying well you've you've alluded to that earlier that he's no longer the cruiseries made after those after those fuel he fights he grew into the wage very quickly we didn't say we didn't talk about avander hollofield still being a cruiserweight very quickly in his career. That was done. We mentioned his accolades as a cruise away king but we didn't say, oh, you know, he's still a small guy. He spilled into that frame very nicely. Did you see, oh, sorry, you didn't see him?

But I saw him on, like, I've seen him the last couple of fights and, you know, the first two fights, Witherspoon, Chasora, he looked like he was still putting that weight on, still getting comfortable with that size. Now, I forget what he weighed the last time, 220-something, probably right around there, again, 225, 2.30, something in that range.

He is thick and thick at a good way. He's strong. I think he was put it on, he was trying to put on weight, but it wasn't comfortable weight for him. And actually, only boxing once in a year has probably helped him, I think, because he lives the life, I feel, put on weight and trial it out in training,

get the right way, where he can still be more ball, because he needs to be more ball. It's not like going to, he can come in 18 stone, going to have 19 stone if you wanted to, whatever that is in pound, sorry. And then, what, you can't move? Well, that's not good, well, that's not good. That's not good for him.

He said, yeah, I'm heavy now. So I can lean against. Should we have a wrestling match? Brilliant, but that's not what you want to do. That's not your strength. Your strength is mobility using your brain. But obviously, you can tell your body something, but if you're too heavy to move,

that's the fraction of a second too slow, and you're getting caught by a thunderous right hand. So I think he needs to be as optimum weight, light enough to move, but heavy enough to absorb the... When Tyson leans in him, you've got to be able to not lean with him. You can't wrestle with Tyson. You either just be able to brace yourself to it.

You can carry that weight for a few seconds or smart enough to just have enough strength of weight just to grab the album, push into the size and spin off. What are you expecting this fight to look like? Because look, this is the biggest fight we've seen the heavyweight division in a number of years. I mean, the theory wilder fights were big, but in terms of just overall what it means,

the magnitude of this type of fight, it's huge. The biggest we've seen since the 1990s, probably. But it's not going to be Hagler-Herns. It's not going to be a chess match, Barry, between two very cerebral fighters who are going to have, specific game plans. What kind of fight are you expecting? Yeah, that's, I don't want to say it. Don't tell the broadcaster, Chris.

But it could be a stinker. It could be. It could be like a tap, tap move and a hug fest. And that would be Tyson Fury doing that, I would feel. But I think we might get a bit more of an intelligent fight. And I do think it's not going to be a war. No, I don't, no, I don't think it's really that sort of fight. But I do think it would be an enjoyable fight where you see people think, but let their hands go. And that's the difference. You might not be blood and guts and million knockouts, but it might be like a high-paced fight

where you see people struggling. You have guys who are intelligent and clever, but if one guy starts to panic and throw, or the other one feels like he's tired in and putting the pressure on, the other one fires back, you could end up having a little bit of a firefight that you didn't expect just out of desperation.

And that's great for us. But I do think what you said is going to be a bit more of a thinking fight I just hope it's not a real negative like fury against Critchco is arguably his best win

because it wasn't a Colichco he was like five six years earlier or whatever but he was still a guy who was very very good at home and he won the fight

convincingly but not enjoyably for us for the viewer but it could be that he has that but can he still do that I'm not sure if he can still box

that way but if he can he could do that sort of thing though Usoc's not the not the big lump and slow as Vladimir Klitschko was of course but or we could have I think because

Uzik's as the ability not to go right through Fury but to just punish him for every mistake he makes the bigger guys can't punish Fury from the mistake so they're not fast enough they might see it but they can react quick enough and let's be clear this is a very different

type of opponent that Fury has faced. Like, no disrespect to Klitsko or Wilder or any of the guys he's faced. But Ussick skill-wise is on a level we've never seen Tyson Fury go up against. This is a former gold medalist, undisputed champ. Look, Curseway, it's not a sexy division, but he was beating some real guys in that

World Boxing Super Series. Maris Bredis, who's on the undercard, you know, still a great fighter at 39 years old. Usik beat him years ago. So, like, this, the skill level is what I'm going to be watching for early on. Like, you know, what is What game plan is he coming in with?

And how easy is it for him to X-ing? He'll do what he always does. I don't think he'll change. He'll adapt, because he's an adaptal fighter. Very adaptable fighter. But I don't think he won't rush his work. His strength, his temperament, I think. He doesn't rush anything.

Temperament inside and outside the ring. How bad, how hard has Fury tried to get under the skin, Vusik? It is impossible to do. He stopped now. He stopped, didn't? He just give up now. It was disappointing, did it? Have we ever seen that before?

We've ever seen Fury wave the white flag on mental warfare? And that's a strength of Fury to get under your skin in fights. I don't think, as a fight, I always thought, no one would get under my skin. I mean, but I never boxing massive occasions where it's a pressure cooker all the time, isn't it? Anything can trigger an angry response or whatever it is. But, you know, he's mastered that. He's a psychological game. She's great at it.

But so he's Uziq in a different way. Nothing bothered him. He smiles at everything. Whatever you say, you could say anything to him, anything to him. You can threaten him and he just go, okay. I feel or whatever he says how that feels he just doesn't care

and I think that's his strength he went to Russia before the conflicts of course but still Ukraine and Russia wasn't a great relationship ever really

but he went to Russia the box of Russian Gassiev yeah exactly you know the way he went through that cruise weight division Road Warrior

he never boxed at home no and he boxed in their backyards by the way even no it's just even Michael Hunter was in America

you know that was the defense of his time but even that was in America He's like, you know, the guy never's boxed at home. He's just like going, and he's going to your home most of the time, and beating you up with these. He went to Latvia to beat one of those guys. The last time he was in Germany, with Huck was based in Germany.

The one time he fought at home was the Dubois fight, you know. Yeah, and that's not home really, but Polar, but. Yeah, but no, there's loads of Ukrainians there. Yeah, that's the closest he's been, though. That's the close as he's been. But as a cruiserweight, he just did all that, and he enjoyed every second of it. So his mental strength is A-1. There's no, no worries there.

he's going to panic him. You've been around Fury all week long. When I look at pictures of him, if I zoom in on my camera, I still see a little bit of scar tissue above that right eye. I still see the remnants of that cut that he suffered that caused the cancellation of the February date. Now, I've talked to a lot of cut men about this,

and every single one of them says, it's tough to properly heal a cut in three months. Like a cut like that, it's real tough to properly heal it. That's to me as a big variable in this fight, Barry, because a South Paul like Usik who head hunts, like Usick's not a big body. Yeah, of his headhunter.

So he's going to be looking right at that right eye of Tyson Fury, and it's not going to surprise me if that cut opens up early. And Tyson can say what he wants about how, you look, I'm a warrior, I battle through stuff, it's not a big deal. It's all fun in games until you can't see out of your right eye. And that's why I think it's important with the jab and the feet for fury because he needs the jab. and step back, step right

because he needs to see, because he takes that step with the front foot, his right foot, he's south ball, takes a step with the front foot, comes in low, and throws over the top with that right hook, and he'll spin to the right as well. You'll go to his right, so he's literally

squared on to that, for that, where that cut is on the left side, so he can throw again, and that's the problem there, I think it's a worry, it's a real worry, for Fury, but I don't think Fury will panic about cuts. That's his strength as well, by me, because he's boxed all his life. He doesn't get any bad for getting knocked down or worry about getting knocked down because it can happen.

You've been knocked down seven times? That's one more than me. Seven times. It's incredible. I've seen a lot of them. I was there in New York when Steve Cunningham put him on the game. Yeah, I mean, well, I wasn't there? I remember it.

It was a shock, wasn't it? You know what I mean? It was a good fighter, but like the size difference was stupid, wasn't it? And then you think, I remember you getting knocked down in an early fight against the camera with the guy's name now. And then he wouldn't a fight easy, but just thought, He was never going to be a world champion, I never thought. Remember David Price?

The Olympic bronze medalist from the UK, Liverpool, and they were sort of lining side by side. And you would have bet your house on Price getting to... No, and also, I've got to be honest, I'm not a bit digress in a bit here. He had the problem with his left elbow. He had a really good jab, he had a problem with his left elbow.

He didn't really make it public knowledge, but he couldn't throw the jab anymore properly. And once that happened, then, he was just a big tag of the hit. And because he couldn't take a great shot. That just made him vulnerable. Because that jab of his was a real, like a real heavy shot, and I helped him win loads of fights.

But still, Fury, he proved everyone wrong. Didn't seem to be Fury. He does so many things wrong, and he makes it right. And he makes so many mistakes. But within those mistakes is where the beauty lies. Does that make sense? You get the magic with him there, isn't he? He does think, oh, he's going to get knocked out,

and then he comes out with some, like, massive combination, or just a great shot, or he makes you miss by him by a whisper. you know and those little moments and we haven't seen him for a long time the little moments of beauty you go I can see why he's so good because he's six foot nine probably seven really and yeah yeah yeah yeah no six nine every time Tyson fights against a tall opponent he's basically I love with it yeah he's listed Francigano was like six three six four yeah right there with but he's a big guy and he uses that his his greatest strength I think is using that size yeah he leans on the long arms I mean I

I mean, longer arms, obviously, he's a giant, but longer arms than his height would really suggest. Yeah, I think he had the same wingspan as Wilder. I was bigger than Wilder, I think it was, one thing. I think if I'm right. So that helps him, because he uses that well. So his judgment of the distance is fantastic when he's on form. I've got to go back to that.

When he's on form? When has he been on form? February 2020, 2020, again, I've got to go back to that. And for Uzik, he hasn't never been on form. And he never looks sensitive. say, Uzi as a heavyweight has never looked

sensational, I don't think. He's looked really good and brilliant and he's beating everybody and the winds are sensational but I mean he paints by numbers

with his boxing career with his fights his fight management this is why I do it and it works and he's adjusted a little bit he's not a bully like he was as a cruiserweight

anymore but he's more mobile now he's darting in and out with his feet in and out in and out and using that semi-circle around the body always picking shots

picking shots he don't go low often enough you're right but you'll dip low and go high so he takes it as he does really well by the way

he changes his height levels and that's and he widens his feet when he's bouncing he widens his feet so he's going up and down and he's going up and it sounds like I'll just catch him on the way up but these are slower guys they can't see as quick

they can react as quick so he's allowed to do that and all that does is stops you from throwing so all it does it stops you from throw it makes you overthink everything and when you overthink

we saw that in the AJ fights exactly he he AJ was reluctant at time. And look, the other part of it is I think

Usik, even though he's not heavy-handed, he can crack a little bit. Like he's sharp with his punches. He's not a heavy guy, isn't he?

When he punches correct. Yes. He turns the hands over. He punch you with the front two knuckles like you should do. If I knew that when I was fighting,

I'd be missing. But you know, and he does that, he lifts the elbow a little bit when he punches that proper Soviet talk, no punch.

And then so everything's correct. But he always changes he makes you panic and he makes you overthink. When you panic and overthink, think you tense up because you think

you think I gotta be sharp I gotta be sharp if I make a mistake if I don't miss I'm gonna get counted and punches do with you really mostly but that and

but then you do that because you're trying to be sharp you tense up and your neck gets tense and your back gets tense so all those muscles constrict so in reality you overthinking

what you want to do makes you do the opposite you punch though you pour at your punches you put it in the end of because it's all rolling your punches out you push them and you're slower

your muscle constrict because your punches are shorter, only by an inch or half an inch less than that, but it's enough for your eye to be short. And all you do is just give them a target to hit. And that's the part of his magic. And then also, with pushing your punches, it tires you. Because throwing punches, it's body mechanics.

You punch from your hips in your shoulders, and you move that body with the punch, you push off the back leg. It's the only real weight you should get, and your upper body should be smooth. And then you can punch for harder and for longer without wasting too much energy. But then when someone's making you miss

and just in their height and fainting here and there, you're not quite sure whether they are, you think, I've got to get it right, I've got to get it right. And with that, you tense up and everything just goes the other way. And then by round six,

you're absolutely exhausted. And then he starts going, no, I'm just going to throw in threes and fours and not ones and twos. And then, before you know it, then you're looking to hold on to him and asking him for arrest or getting stopped.

And that's the fight management. That's the intelligence that he has. You know, I don't really want to get into the whole greatest of all time debate that Tyson kind of threw out there like he believed he's number one I don't want to get to that I'm more I'm more interested

sorry I got to say he can't be yeah because he haven't had he hasn't had the he's the best of his if he wins this he's the best of his generation he has to be mentioned that one of the best heavyways that we've seen

but he hasn't had the quality of opposition to say I feel my opinion to say that he would be the greatest of all the time you just can't because

Ali the people he boxed and at their prime and the 70s was a golden year for heavyweight so it'd never be rivaled, I don't think. So I struggle with saying these are best.

I'm more inclined to think that a win would do more for O'SX legacy. I mean, a undisputed champion at Cruzeweight in the four belt era. An undisputed champion at heavyweight in the four belt era. Someone that has beaten the top top guys.

You know, AJ twice. Fury once. We'll see if they do a match in the fall. I mean, that's obviously Hall of Fame stuff, but you may be not talking about Usik as one of the great heavy weights of all time, but you're talking about him as one of the great fighters

of all time because of what he's accomplished at two different levels. Yeah, and also mentioning people as the greatest of all time in their weight is impossible now because people move through weight so quickly, don't they? Mayweather, one of the greatest of all time, but you wouldn't put a number one in any weight?

Would you? No. It's difficult, isn't it? Yeah. People say, oh, super feathery, but he was there

for two seconds. You know, Corrales was a fantastic win, but that was it, well? he avoided me like the plague. Did you take that Barry Jones? Always haunt you for him. He said that. Yeah.

But it's unbelievable, so it's hard for him, but I think for Uzick, I found the Hollifield. I thought no one would ever be a better cruise of it than I found the Hollifield. it was phenomenal. And way he did, you point out, like, that one thing the world boxing super series did is it collected the talent and it made the best fight the best. And Usig throughout it fought the very best. So he cleaned out the cruiserweight division. You look at heavyweight.

If he wins this fight, I guess you could say he didn't fight Deonté Wilder. Maybe he could down the line. Not yet. Not yet. I mean, we'll see what Wilder does this year. But, you know, there's nothing left for him. Like, I would have win over Jared Anderson mean anything to Alexander Usik? Like, there's nothing left for him.

No, all he's doing that is picking up fighters who might end up being great before they're great which obviously when you look back in the history books people just remember you beat in that good fighter

but you got him at the right time Mayweather versus Canello is a final example hasn't it really and so yeah it's but you know Joshua is still one of the best in the division

when he beat him no and and Fury is the best so who else is he supposed to beat Wild is no longer in that top three conversation You know, you're not in our top five conversation, maybe more now. He looked at a shadow of himself.

So, you know, it's, who does he fight? They'll be on someone else. Maybe the next one is Herkovich. I'm not quite sure about that. Not sure about that either. Like, maybe if Zhang beats Joe Parker, probably. The most informed heavyweight today is Joe Parker. In form, I think he's the best, but most informed.

Maybe it's him. Yeah. And, yeah, I mean, or Zhang does his job on Wilder. Maybe he fights Zhang and beats that of your fight because you've got a massive bloke here. who only throws two punches around. When he does, that's enough to win any bounce. Do that fight over in China. I'd love to see that.

I don't think Chan can sell in China. I don't think they would, but why haven't he already? It's a slow build over there in China. I know that his popularity has grown a lot. I mean, they put his Joyce fights on Chinese pay-per-view when they did big numbers, not monetarily, but a lot of people watched. Yeah.

So, look, everyone in boxing is, trying to do a big fight in Beijing at the bird's nest. Everyone is trying to be the first one to land that big show. And look, if you beat Deonté Wilder that's as big as you're going to get. A heavyweight beating a Deonté Wilder. You're probably not

getting any bigger, or at least in terms of putting a fight over there. Fair enough, yeah. Yeah. I always thought, like, if he's that big, he would have been over there by now, because the popularity and the money they'll have to spend, but it's just tough. Like, I mean, when, when, not to get too off track, but

when top rank had Zuchaming, right? You know, all those years ago. Like, they didn't, they fought him in Macau, basically. Like, it was, it was most of them in the UK,

actually. Yeah, it was the casino money that they took in Macau. He never fought, to my knowledge, in a big fight on mainland China. And, you know, there's a few others like that

Meng Fang Long and others that have not gained the kind of traction. I think that that Zhang has the potential. I think if he wins this fight, you can make an argument that you could do a big fight over in China. And I think there'd be some money there. I've talked to,

I mean, I've had a lot of talks with John's manager's about this over the years. That's high on that priority list. But that might be it. Maybe look, Usik, Zhang in China. It's a pretty event. But either way, like, he... It would be a wrap. Like, he would have accomplished it. Two wins over AJ, maybe two wins over Fury.

Like, what... I forget about the rematch the rematch. The rematch... The rematch... I want to see the fight, and I do, but, like, I hate rematch closes. Yeah. With a passion. I mean, I really hate them. I think they... You and Eddie Hearn won't get along then. Eddie loves a good rematch class.

Well, of course. I mean, all promoters kind of love the rematch. AJ always has a rematch. If I get through the rematch, I love him as well now. But I mean, no, they're not immoral, but I think it holds up careers. Yeah. I mean, they should know. And belts oftentimes.

Well, that's what I meant, but the belts with the careers, because it's not just the next challenger. So all the people waiting in the wings. But what if it's a dominant display? I did have that argument with the, with the Tyson-Fueli wilder fights. And then after the second one, I said, why are we having another one now? The second one was warranty because the first one was a draw, obviously, but also it was controversial. That should have gone again.

That's fair enough. Everyone understands that. But a loser shouldn't be allowed to fight for the world's titles straight to me. That used to be a rule, didn't it? Look, sanctioned bodies. Yeah, who knows? Yeah, I know. But yes, it should be a rule.

It should have a win. Sure, she should have. Winning fighter fighting for a world's title. But then the set after... This came up, by the way, Sebastian Fondora, who, before he fought Tim Zhu, was knocked out cold by Brian Mendoza. And all of a sudden he's in a two-belt unification fight.

Exactly, yeah. And not a champion, by the way. Great performance. Yeah, yeah. But then, so in the wild, I said, we want to see that again, the third fight. He totally dominated him. But the third fight was the best of the loss.

So he sort of like to shot my agman right under the water. But I still think the whole of the career is up, because if they have three fights, which I've heard, it might be the case, then depending on all the second fight goes with the thought, that could be two years. I think the belts were fragment but still it's still two years

which they have to but then we're in the same situation that we always moan about which to keep us happy we got something to talk about we'll moan all day long but I mean it does it holds everyone's up

it holds the whole thing up and then boxing all they're the two best but none of them's a champion or they got WPC it will keep them they've got WBC champion and then all the other belts everyone's a pretender

saying they will champion I have the only the only thing that would prevent it from being too much of a hindrance would be the fact that Turkey Alashik seems to be keeping this train moving, right? Like they're a date scheduled, like, you know, Wilder Fury took how many years to complete, like three years, basically, to get done?

You could see a Fury Usset trilogy completed in a year. Turkey Alashik, he's made a mockery of fight camps. And I need, oh, I need 15 weeks to get ready. okay yeah well I'll give you 15 million I'll be there tomorrow because in reality no one these massive long camps they say they need they don't

they don't no no no no he needs no you need eight weeks maybe yeah that's enough to get ready three and a half weeks I never I had four weeks once I thought what we're gonna do for a week I mean if you live a life you're always fitting you and you just gotta get ready for the fight so yeah so that's even a good thing

I think you're right there I think you will accelerate the thing because he wants to put the fights because he wants to see him it's all selfish reasons but we're all benefited from it aren't we All these fights happening, it's great for us. It's great for us. It's great for us.

But this is the fight we need. Boxing needs this fight because, you know, boxing is a niche sport, I think. I think I'm right in there saying that. I mean, when big fights happen, of course they go. But boxing as a whole, like in the UK, in the 60s, I went way back now, but I wasn't born then for you start. But, like, everyone could name a British amateur champion. The champion of our country is an amateur.

You get, you know, you have like eight weights. so back then or maybe they had 12 back then but they name every single weight and now they could name

all our world champions we haven't got many at the minute so that means we're in a niche sport so the heavy division is our flagship of division of course

and this is the biggest fight so like the fact that it's happening is huge because it doesn't transcend boxing it transcends sport and that's what we need but they need to deliver the fights because if this fight

is always selling it and all that and if it's a dirt what does that say about our sport then again again with the criticism that you get all the UFC guys come over and and bash it like and I understand why I don't see I don't see the coloration between each sport because of two different sports but people seem to want to tie them up together like I just did like an idiot but and I but you know you'll get all that and and some of this you can't defend against it but so if it's a good fight that's all I don't

care who wins actually I mean I don't want to get it I don't care who wins I want the best guy to win and but I want a good fight I'm a box. boxing fan selfishly I want to watch a good fight I want to be a great fight the spectacle all around this is fantastic this week's been great with all the build them it's all been amazing but all that means nothing if it's a rubbish fight so if the fight delivers with all what's gone on then our sport flourishes and all our money we don't it trickles down all there's the money the tension all trickles down to other weights and people want to see other boxings on tonight well remember that fight last Saturday that was brilliant we'll watch it

and then know and that's what that's what makes the sport grow well barry you got me excited for That's for sure. And don't worry, we are going to put a disclaimer at the top of the show that if you press a button, it will translate this all into Welsh. Oh, sorry, mate. I know. We're good to go on that. You put American fans. We'll have a clue what I've said.

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All right. Many of you listening, no Todd. him as the guy I've been propping up for the last four years. I thought that was Sergio. I mean, it can be both. Both on the zone. He is also the voice of the new video game, boxing video game, undisputed, which is already out on Steam, but will be released on multiple other platforms come this October, PlayStation 5.

Todd can tell us more about it. Todd is the vice president of acquisitions, a gaudy title, if I've ever heard one. I made it up for the four. the game undisputed, which again will be released wide this October. Todd, this is a long time coming, man. I remember talking to you like December, January of 2023, 2022. And I think you thought at the time it was going to be out, you know, PS5, all that stuff in 2020. We're to 2024 and now we finally get it.

Like this is big for this game, right? This is a big moment. This is the moment, really. October 11th is a precise date. We're out on Xbox. and PlayStation and as well on PC. Right now you can get basically an abbreviated version of the game on Steam. It's not really complete.

You've seen some highlights on... I have seen some of those. Guys have been knocked out of the ring and weird stuff like that. Don't worry when it comes out on the consoles, all that'll be done. But basically, this was a way for fans to kind of help build the game, give feedback, tell us what they liked, what they didn't like. And that's kind of what the process was for the last year.

So is my mic closer now? You mic's close now. We can hear your voice. Well, I'm very loud. So I don't, yeah. But yeah, so that's kind of where we're at. And the reason it took so long as we were kind of a victim of our own success, I kind of equated to when they first started creating this game in 2020 or 2021.

It was almost going to be like a local English game. They're mostly English boxers, sort of like a play at the local theater. And now all of a sudden you sign Leonardo DiCaprio. Well, damn, this is going to be a major motion picture. You've got to spend more money, bigger marketing budget, delay it, get more big actors in there. So now we've got almost every big name fighter you could get. and we had to give this game the gravitas that it deserved.

We got major investments from all over the world, and that's what it took so long, because now it was like a lot of pressure to give the fans a real game, the best boxing game ever created. Yeah, I think everyone has seen some of the videos on social media and the detail with which, you know, these characters look very much like their real-life counterparts. Like the level of detail, I think, is pretty impressive,

and that must have been a big investment. Yeah, well, they go to a, a scanning studio, then there's 187 camera, like a big dock, uh, that the guys and females were going to. So it's state of the art stuff, you know, the same stuff that EA sports, everyone else uses maybe even a little better than that, if I could say so myself. But the main, I wouldn't say problem, but the one of the main things that forced the game to take a little longer is because it is so realistic.

I mean, you can't, you know, like you think you're creating a character to throw a jab. Well, guess what? If he's too close to, to his opponent, the jab will like almost hit into his chest and look all weird. So when you throw a jab in close, it makes your fighter take a step back and then throw the jab. So there's so many intricate details

that I know nothing about. You know, I'm worse than Sergio is at math at making video games. I'm just the guy that got the fighters. But the people working on the game are incredible and it's, you know, the finished version is just outrageous. You know, it's been more than a decade

since EA sports put out a game like this. Why has it taken so long for somebody to get into the boxing game business again? I think you know the answer to that. I do, but I'm supposed to ask the question. Okay, you ask the question. It's getting the fighters. You know, imagine going up to Ryan Garcia right now and saying,

hey, do you want to be in a video game? Oh, yeah, sure. Well, okay, we can't pay it if the game comes out. Well, I want a million dollars now. And, you know, this person, so it was almost like a leap of faith for a lot of fighters. And, you know, they get bombarded with stuff all the time. They're managers, and you have to kind of weed your way through. So it was, it started for me to basically, I needed to sign smaller fighters

and then kind of build my way up. And then once we signed Terrence Crawford, that was kind of the hook. Once I signed Terrence Crawford to the game, then all of a sudden, Lomachenko said, oh, Terrence Crawford's in? Okay, then I'll get in. And Usset goes, oh, if Loma's in, well, I'm going to be in. And it just kind of started stacking up that way. So what are people, what's the experience going to be like for people that have played the old EA sports games?

How different is it? What are you going to be able to do in a game like this? I should know this, but the exact number of punches, I want to say there's 80-something different punches that you can throw. you know, up jab, left hook, right hook, a step back jab, South ball jab. I mean, there's so many different, just like anything. Imagine, you know, buying a BMW from, you know, the last Xbox EA sports game was, I believe, in 2012.

So imagine buying a BMW from 2012 and comparing it to a BMW that's 2024. Imagine how much better it's going to be. So just technology alone is incredible. What kind of modes sort of are they? You do like a career mode? Yeah, the career mode. I mean, the career mode is so, it's almost too much for me to comprehend, you know, the old like Mike Tyson game. You fought this guy, you fought this guy, you fought that guy, you beat Tyson, boom. This, I mean, you can sign with a manager you pick which manager you want. You sign your own cut guy. You sign your own trainer. You have to, you pick your gym you want to work out in. It's just, there's so many different avenues. And, you know, you've got to win the IBF belt, and then you've got to go for the WBC belt, and then the WBA belt, and then you go for undisputed. So to win career mode would take months and months. months. All the work that you've had to put in.

I've seen you do a lot of this legwork. I mean, signing all these guys kind of basically one by one. And you're right. Like, you can do an NBA game because there's a collective bargaining grant because everything in the NBA is unionized. Similarly, with UFC, like they effectively own all the rights to each guys. One big fat check, you're right. Yeah, one big check.

Like, this must have been just a painstaking process to get everyone on board one by one. It was, it was very rewarding, though. And it was just like there were so many little victims. victories along the way. I mean, you were with me sometimes. I remember being on a golf course where the manager from someone would call me, you know, like Deontay Wilder's manager, you know what? I think we're going to do this. Well, I just signed Deontay Wilder. Oh my gosh. And, you know, just so many cool moments. Signing Canelo Alvarez, that was like the coup de grace. He's on the cover, obviously. But getting Canello on board was just, you know, when he signed me on, I mean,

I was happy to get, you know, I don't want to call anybody out, but like smaller name fighters, you know, like when I got Chocolatito, that was super cool. You know, just fighters that were, you know, and even the older fighters that have been retired, I mean, Ricardo was in tears on the phone with me because we were able to pay him some money. I mean, guys that have fallen from grace and live in small towns in Central America and Mexico that don't really have much income, you give those guys a little chunk of change and say, look, you know, people aren't going to forget you ever because you're in this game and you're, you know, you're going to live on and, oh, my kids can play it and they'll see me.

And, you know, it really, you know, it warms your heart a little bit to help those guys out. Is this the kind of game, like, is it an organic game? Is it something that can evolve over time? And what I mean by that is, like, you know, the pound for pound list changes frequently. The best fighters of the world change frequently. Does the game change with it? Like, or you have to wait for another version of the game to get, you know, let's just, you know, whoever the best prospect is today.

Like, let's throw the name like Mark Castro out there. Like, whatever Mark Castro is right now, shout out, Mark, Castro. Like, if he gets better, does it get better in the game? It's kind of my question. Yeah, like Emiliano Vargas. Yeah, there you go. Yeah.

You know, every time he wins within, you know, I don't want to put an exact timestamp on it, but within a couple weeks, if he wins, his stats will change in the game. Let's say he's, you know, his record is 12 and 0. He'll be 13 and 0. His, he'll go from 79 punching power to 81 punching power. That's big, because that's different. Like in basketball or in football, like, you bring out a new game every single year so you can make the changes when necessary.

With boxing, you know. The shelf life is expected to be about four to five years before Undisputed Two comes out. So that's what's also cool. Like even when you buy the game and you're like, wow, I wish they could add this or, you know, add a new arena. You know, we have Madison Square Garden

that's going to be in the game. But who's to say we don't sign the Rose Bowl? And all of a sudden one day the Rose Bowl pops in. And we'll be adding DLC characters, which are called downloadable characters. I don't know if you're a gamer. But essentially, there'll be a small fee for them. someone like, for instance, Virgil Ortiz Jr.

who will come in the game after launch. You know, you pay a couple bucks, you can get him, you can get shorts for him, you know, that sort of thing. So about every six weeks, there'll be six new fighters coming into the game for the next two or three years. How granular do you get with kind of their attributes, right? Like, you didn't mention Ryan Garcia. Like, is Ryan Garcia's left hook his best weapon in a game like this?

Okay. They're very, the Ashabee, the man who created this game, and this is going to sound dumb, but it's so true. He literally one day, said there hasn't been a video game in a long time. I wonder how hard it would be to create a video game. And he downloaded some YouTube videos.

You think I'm kidding? No, I believe it. He downloaded YouTube videos to see how to create a video game character. He bought some program, figured out how to animate it. His brother kind of helped him. Before you know it, he said he was obsessed for like three months, ignored his children, didn't eat.

He would stay up all night long. He couldn't sleep. After a couple months, he kind of created something cool, and it got bigger and bigger. And then Ryan Rhodes, the spice boy. Yes. Fott Canello, Albrecht.

He was the first signy because he lived in Sheffield. You're laughing. I wouldn't expect Ryan, I mean, Ryan Rhodes got to be out of the game, right? He's in the game. No, I mean, like out of the game of boxing. Of course, yes. But wouldn't strike me as the first guy you might say. Imagine if you're sitting on your couch and a month later, Ryan Rhodes goes, hey, put me in your game.

And then Johnny Nelson got putting it. So it was a bunch of, it just kind of started growing organically. But he didn't think, Ashabee did not think, I'm going to create this guy. and be a, be a millionaire. He was like, I want to create a super realistic boxing game and help the sport and help these old fighters. And of course, now, hey, let's make as much money as possible. It's kind of evolved to that.

But he wanted this to be, I mean, this game could have come out a year ago and they could have made it more arcade-ish. You know, so the punches don't have to land exactly because it's a big explosion when you hit them or overreactions, things like that. But this is as realistic of a boxing game, I think, that you could produce. How big do you think it's going to be? Because I think there is an appetite for something like that. There's always been people wondering when is the next EA game going to come out?

Never did over the last 10 years. Like how big do you think it's going to be come October when it gets released wide? Well, I mean, there's your hopes and dreams and then there's reality. You never really know. It's just like a movie. Man, the movie's great. It's going to be a huge blockbuster. We've got all the Marvel characters in it.

It's going to be a dud. I don't think there's any way it could be a dud just based on the pent-up demand. And you know, there's been the UFC game, which a lot of people have ended up going to in lieu of a boxing game. And there's a switch on that game that it's called, I don't know the exact name, but like stand up and bang, where you can't go to the ground. It's basically a stand-up fight. And I think more people play that than play the real MMA where they go to the ground just because it's so hard to do and unattractive and difficult. I think it's going to be a massive success.

And I mean, there's no competition. So the old fight night games were huge. And some stat out there, there's like six times more video game players now than there were back in 2010. Well, I love the realistic. to it with, you know, their attributes, right? Like, one of the reasons I like playing WWE games is because I want to drop a stone cold stunner on somebody. I want to drop a rock bottom on somebody.

Like, if I'm playing as Ryan Garcia, I want to knock somebody out with a left hook. If I'm playing as Deonté Wilder, I want to knock someone out with a big right hand. You know, all the, the one-punch, you know, skills that so many of these top guys have. Like, that I think is going to be the coolest part of it. Like just having that finishing, for lack of a better word, finishing move with each of these guys. Well, we have a couple of guys on our team, including a guy that goes by the name of Boxing Fanatico, Edward, who is our, like, our gamer guy. He tests everything. And the characters are set up where if you fight like how they fight in real life, like, you know, don't switch Ryan Garcia, South Paul and try and jab someone to.

If you fight the way he fights, you'll be much more successful in the game. So, you know, if, for instance, Ussik, do the Sariq. or Lomachenko, do the side step and then throw a punch, that lands a lot more than you would do it if you were butterbeam. How tough is that to do, like, I mean, look, gamers are incredible how they operate. But, like, you know, for a novice like me, like I'm not sure I'd be able to do the Ussick side step.

That might take me sometime. You're the glass Joe of video games. More or less. But that's the kind of how, I mean, you can have fun. Like me, I'm kind of a button masher. You know, hey, like if I was Ryan Garcia, I'd go jab, left to, jab, jab, left, toe, jab, jab. That's what I would do.

But there's so many different skills. I mean, there's tutorials that, undisputed, have posted online that you can watch and get into the nitty-gritty. You know, it's almost like, I keep going back to a car. You know, you jump into some Tesla and you're driving, and you're like, I'm just going to drive it fast. Well, there's about 75 different things you can go to and change the LED lights in the car and change this and change that. So the game, there's endless possibilities with this game. All right. Two last questions for you.

One, since it is a high-level video game, and we are sitting here in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, getting ready for Ussik Fury, has there been a simulation done for Ussik against Fury? Hmm. Well, that's the strange thing about it. Like, if I say simulation, if we have the computer play at one time,

is that the simulation? Or do we have it play it a hundred times? You know? Let me tell you one thing. Back, like, it had to have been 10, 15 years ago, at least 15 years ago now. when Twitter was just the beginning thing, I did a simulation on Fight Night

of Vladimir versus Vitalee-Clitchco, and I live-tweeted it in real time, like what was happening there. And I was shocked at how many people were following along with. Really? Like, I think there's like genuine interest in the fake simulation.

Well, I think I sent this to you where it's not necessarily simulation, but Sergio Moore broke down the Usik versus Fury matchup, and they, whatever Sergio was saying, they made the characters do it. So as far as official prediction, there's no, you start posting stuff like that and you're wrong, and then all of a sudden people think your game sucks.

You know, if you go, hey, look, Fury's going to win by points and he gets knocked down in the first round. Well, this is a shit game. I ain't buying this. Well, all right. Then that brings me to my last question, which is you mentioned CEO doing his part of the game. Why did you decide to fuck me out of... I have not. And putting me on the number one boxing podcast in the United States is,

There's 100,000 people or more listening to this right now. This audience is Legion. And just the other day, I was crossing the street in New York City. True story. Some guy stopped me in the crosswalk. Go, hey, man, love the pod, who you got this weekend. That was just the other day. Wow.

Like, this audience is loyal. Okay, let's see how loyal there. Why don't we start a groundswell where you have to get 5,000 signatures, e-signatures, to be in the undisputed game. Oh, so I have to sing for my supper. I mean, you know, you're telling me how popular you are. You're telling me how popular. Sergio's not popular. You got him in there.

He won the contender for God's sex. We don't have to name names, but we both know there are some media members that have been discussed as being in there. I feel like I've accomplished enough in this boxing game, Sports Illustrated, you're in his own, got the podcast, and I feel like you are excluding me for deeply personal reasons. Is that why you invited me to your wedding? because you want to be in the video game. Can you bring your scanning equipment there? I'm like, I don't even think Chris likes me. Why am I like the guest of honored his wedding?

Can you bring your scanner? Can you bring your scanner? Can we do that? I'll tell you what, I'm making you a bow right now that you will be in the game. Excellent. See, this audience, they will remember. But unfortunately, hey, I know you've been on this diet lately.

Do you want to trim down before you get scanned? Yeah, let me get down a few more. Let me get down. Let me work on that. No problem. I'm glad we'd be glad. We'd be fortunate. to have you an undisputed. I think sales will go through the roof. Through the roof.

Well, it gets released October 11th. It's going to be a big day. I know a lot of people can be lined up to get that game. I know people have been waiting more than a decade for a new boxing game. I'm glad this one's coming on. I think it's going to be excellent. Todd, good stuff, man. Thanks for joining me. Hey, thanks for having me on. That's it for this episode. My thanks to Barry Jones and Todd Grisham for joining the show. As always, subscribe, rate, review this podcast on Apple Podcast, Spotify, wherever you download podcast. And I will see you after the fight on Saturday night. Thank you so much.

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