The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Brady didn't want Darnold in Vegas, George Kittle on NIL, Early hot seat talk

Episode Date: June 30, 2025

John opens the week talking about a portion from Mike Silver's new book that talks about how Tom Brady didn't want Sam Darnold in Vegas as the Raiders QB. Next, John talks about George Kittle's comments on how much rookies were making in college with NIL and if it's a mistake for certain players to leave college early because of how much they will make in college. Later, John dives into his take on the Aaron Rodgers doc on Netflix, and the way too early conversation about which coaches are on the hot seat heading into the season. Finally, John answers your questions in this episode's mailbag segment. 5:42 - Tom Brady didn't want Darnold 12:11 - George Kittle on NIL deals 23:11 - Aaron Rodgers doc 29:42 - Early hot seat 38:31 - Mailbag Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And Mike Silver, who's pretty dialed in, threw something out last week, that Tom Brady was the driving force in making sure the radar. were not interested and were signed or went down the path of Sam Darnold. And obviously they didn't. They actually, he goes to Seattle, that they get Gino Smith that Pete Carroll, you know, had a history with. And it kind of hit me, I'm sure some of you listening are with a company, work somewhere where you started as a young intern, started out of college. And if you're my age, maybe you've been there 15, 20, 30 years, however long, that's pretty impressive. Obviously, you know, anytime you work your way up, but usually when you enter a company at 22, 23,

24 years old, if you're young, they kind of look at you a little differently. It's like sometimes I think that my parents, friends, that, you know, as you get older, you know, you saw me in junior high and high school doing the dumbest shit. And I was like, you're married. You have a house. You have a career. It's like, I can only imagine one day when I'll look at like my kids' friends and then they're grown up.

and they're big, it's like, how do you take them seriously? Maybe it's just as time goes on, you just become kind of numb to it. But I do understand from Tom Brady's perspective, like he had a front row seat of the ugliness. And a huge part of that clearly was the Jets, but of the Sam Darnold experience. And maybe it's hard for Tom Brady to look at Sam Donald regardless what happened last year and take him seriously. And there's an element of that, like a lot of you that started a company that go somewhere else. because you want to be taken seriously, right?

And sometimes that helps that when you go somewhere else and they don't look at you like, oh, I remember when he was just an intern, right? And I also wonder if Tom Brady, who Kevin O'Connell was drafted to the Patriots, like that's where he started his career. The relationship with Tom and Kevin is probably kind of unique, where it's not just like football conversations, like these guys are friends. and they could have an honest conversation about the experience of the last couple weeks.

Now, I'll never defend Sam Darnold in that last game against Detroit. He did not play well. There is no excuses for that performance. I do think the playoff game is partly on the coach. The coach did a really poor job when the offensive line was getting smoked and he just refused to run the ball. It was just, I'm going to pass,

we're going to go down my way. And I think sometimes in football, and Tom Brady knows this better than anyone, Anyone is like, we don't have a style. We'll pass if it's working, we'll run if it's working, we'll do whatever it takes to move the ball, get first down, and score points. We have no quote-unquote offensive philosophy besides to try to score more points than the other team.

We will do whatever's working. That's not normal. What Belichick and Tom Brady was used to philosophically is basically abnormal to everyone else in the NFL. Sean McVeigh has a certain style in which he likes to play. same with Kyle Shanahan. Same with Kevin O'Connell. Same with Andy Reid.

Same with Jim Harbaugh. And they kind of win or lose playing that style. Bill Belichick, you know, his operation, offensively and defensively had none. They did whatever it took to win that individual game. And it's, you know, while he'll go down as one of the greatest coaches. It's not the greatest coach of all time.

But I do think Tom Brady, listen, you know, we talk about this in scouting all the time and it's discussed a lot now because so many people discuss the different, the way people view, you know, biases when it comes to viewing players and previous experiences when it comes to building teams. And listen, we're all a product of the way we've been taught in our experiences. And Tom Brady had a front row seat for the ugly of Sam Donald.

And, you know, he goes to Seattle. I think he's turned the corner. I expect him to be a solid player. But I do understand where Tom Brady's coming from. You also don't tie yourself to a younger player. you did trade a third round pick for Gino, but if in a couple years it doesn't work, you're still in the mix of looking to draft a quarterback and it doesn't change anything. Though I don't think Seattle, who just drafted a quarterback in the third round, really viewed it that way either. It's not like, we're signing up for this guy and he's our quarterback for the next five years.

But listen, one thing that's going to be clear is John Spitech has been in the scouting profession, had a front row seat for guys that know what they were doing for 20 plus years. obviously Pete Carroll as a head coach has specific philosophies with operation. It's going to be interesting to see Tom Brady's influence when it comes moving forward because what if they get to the point? Sam Donald's an easy one if your spite's, I'm not going to battle Tom on this. Even if I liked him, whatever, cool, we'll just go with Gino. Pete will be happy.

But what if we get to a point in like a year where it's like, Tom, I like this guy? I've been scouting quarterbacks for a while. I understand you're the greatest player of all time. but like this is my profession. I've had a front row seat. Like, I've got a pretty good idea what works and what doesn't. You know,

I've scouted every player in this league for a long, long time and what time disagrees. And it's going to be fascinating to watch how that plays out over time because, listen, do you know, if you're John Spitech this year,

to me, the number one goal of your scouting department is we are all in on looking at all these quarterbacks. We're evaluating every single guy that's going to get drafted, let alone all the guys they're going to be top 100 prospects.

All my scouts are going to see them in person. If I'm in SpyTech, I would like to find ways to see a handful of them in person over the course of the year. So they're going to be scouting quarterbacks very, very heavily. You know, is Tom? So I don't know. It'll be fascinating to watch it play out. George Kittle had a comment on the bus that I thought was pretty interesting.

And like most teams, and you see this during Hard Knocks, right, when a rookie's introducing himself. and most teams have certain requirements what your school is, where you're from, what your signing bonuses. And Kittles said that the 49ers, when rookies during OTAs, introduced themselves to the team,

they added what you made during NIL. And he said it was the most eye-opening experience he's ever had because he'd get a guy that's an undrafted free agent that would like come up. My signing bonus is $30,000. Last year in NIL, I made $700,000. George's thinking like, you made a bad decision.

And listen, the numbers that are thrown out there at first seem like a little crazy. Knowing people in the business, obviously it's been well reported now. I feel pretty comfortable. Like some of the seven-figure deals clearly are going to the quarterbacks. But like good players at big programs, starting players, we're making anywhere between half a million dollars to, you know, seven to eight hundred thousand dollars and some of these guys historically if i was going to be a fourth or fifth round pick maybe i just didn't like school i don't blame them i did not like school i thought about that today

actually how did i how could someone who hated school as much as me somehow have multiple degrees uh from a higher institution of learning like it's pretty crazy now i cheated in high school i hated school because it was just so boring to me looking back there were some some classes in college that would probably somewhat interest me now. But I just remember sitting in class and thinking, what a waste of time this all is. Like, this is so, how is any of this going to help me? Like going to, I remember taking chemistry in college.

I'm like, what the fuck is this going to do for me in five years in the real world? And the answer was absolutely nothing, but I had to take it. The point is, a lot of athletes think like that. Don't blame them. Because if you're starting for the University of Texas, for the University of Alabama, for the University of, Ohio State, Oregon, whatever, a top 30, 40 program, how could you not think I'm going to be in the NFL?

Don't blame them at all. And most of them are at least going to get a shot, right? If you're a starter, several year starter, Division I College, especially the top programs, probably at worst, going to be an undrafted free agent and just get an opportunity in a training camp, even if you get washed out pretty quick. You're going to get your shot.

And a lot of guys would be like, listen, I'm not going to be a first round pick, I got a year of eligibility left, but I despise school. I'm leaving. Nowadays, I've talked to more and more people that, which is crazy to me. Now, granted, I graduated college in 2008. I mean, the internet was big then, but nowhere near what it is now. A lot of these kids don't even go to actual, like actual classes.

They take online classes. A ton of athletes never enter the actual classroom of a college. I saw, was it Con Cniple? The Duke player that was just drafted, I think, fourth overall in the NBA draft, said one reason that he chose Duke, I think it was Con Cinepple. It could have been someone else,

but I was pretty sure talking about Duke, like they actually, the kids actually went to class. You would actually interact. Where all these other programs, one of their recruiting pitches was like, hey, come here for a year or two, we'll pay you a lot of money before you go to the NBA, and you will never actually have to go

to a classroom. I'm like, that is fucking, that wasn't even an option 10 years ago, let alone 20 years ago. And I do think that more and more, and this is where the draft was viewed as pretty bad the last couple years after the first couple rounds, especially last year, people were like, after the fourth round, this thing doesn't feel as deep. Why would any guy on the fence not go back to school? It's like, even if I hate classes, I don't actually have to go to one. And let's face it, you think I'm the guy actually logging into the classroom of

of course not, and I'm making $6,000, $800,000. Do you know how much money that is, just in general, let alone being, and listen, I'm pro these guys making coin. I've said this to countless people. I mean, I saw, it's one thing like Cooper Flagg, and the reports are all over the place. I saw something that he might have made $28 million his first year, or just his nine months of Duke. if that is true, like I can't even imagine going from, he didn't necessarily go from nothing because the companies were already trying to buy them. But even if he's on retainer for hundreds of thousands of dollars,

going from that to $28 million, again, is that true? Let's not even use him. He's a bad example. Let's just use starting quarterback. Some guy in college, like Cam Ward, who was making decent money, and then all of a sudden Miami gives him two or three million dollars. Like, what could you possibly do with that money? You're 23.

You're just, you're going to practice, eating, hanging out, out of your teammates the whole time. I don't even know. I can't even fathom having that much there. But I do know this. More and more, as these kids see these examples of these guys, they get drafted either in the mid-grounds or

don't get drafted, and basically their career might be over in a year and only get $50,000, $75,000, $30,000 signing bonus. I could have just come back for one more year of $750,000. Even if I'm an impressive guy, and I'm going to have a very lucre

career, non-football in my life. I don't know what the starting salaries are in most industries, but they aren't sniffing $700,000. So you do have to wonder the ramifications moving forward. It's only going to help out and make college football better because better players are going to stay. Now, if you can be a Cam Ward, a Cooper flag, a guy get drafted really high,

you're always going to go pro because there's a lot more money there. But some of these guys that aren't going to go, and they're just our question marks. Like, you're not guaranteed anything. It makes no sense for you not to go back to school. Pro golfers drive for show and puffer dough. The easiest shot for you to make some dough, betting on this week's tournament at Drafking Sportsbook.

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Now, granted, it was, you know, Netflix, it wasn't like I had been thinking about it. It had kind I popped up on the Netflix when we were looking around, you know, right around probably, uh, I think we had just had dinner. So it was early, we had an early dinner on Friday. It's like, let's just, let's just throw this on. See what, see what it's all about. And I, I didn't make it through the whole thing. She, uh, let's just say she was the driving force of like, yeah, let's watch something else after about halfway through episode two. And I, I had two big takeaways from the documentary. One, somewhat of a truck. troubled soul. And listen, there are elements to all of us that we all have issues.

One thing I see a lot from my generation is like the trauma we all had. It's like being a parent's hard. Most parents try their hardest. There's no handbook to do any of this. For the most part, like you could find an example in most human beings if it's not like specific things. right. I'm just talking most people's childhood, like the trauma we had to endure of our parents. Like, oh my God. It's like, yeah, some people just kind of grow out of phases or can figure things out for like, yeah, holding on to this anger and this chip on my shoulder is something that's not going to be that healthy or be able to balance it. And there is a chip on Aaron Roger's shoulder that you feel. And listen, only you know, just like only I know what it was like to. grow up in my home what it was like to grow up in his home and obviously no like laws were broken or anything it's like yeah it's like probably disagreed probably agreed with some things your parents

forced you to do as a kid and like still be harboring this energy toward like his childhood you kind of feel it like watching it like there's just it's like he's this troubled soul who really likes himself some er r rhodes and it was like jesus and i i my takeaway watching this was like I just have a hard time seeing Tom or Peyton kind of act like this. And a huge element of it is, you know, part of this was shot. It's he's single. No family, no kids. Obviously, he doesn't talk to his family.

It just feels like he's kind of a lost soul with no family to lean on. And I do think as you age, right, as you get older, especially if you have the amount of disposable income, which you have in Aaron Roger's situation, they have nothing to lean on. Like family, when you are someone that is famous as him, is potentially the only part of your circle that really can keep some humility in your life.

Obviously, your parents, your brothers and sisters, your wife can say things to you critically that no one else is saying. And obviously once you put children in that, you are living for someone else. There's a bigger purpose to your life. And you're just watching Aaron Rogers. You're like, this guy feels kind of like a lost soul. A huge ego, who's just a lost soul.

Now, the one thing I will defend with his parents from his perspective is the thing that happened with his brother on the bachelor when they left the open seats. Like, that is a complete loser movie. by his parents. Even if you weren't happy with your child and you weren't speaking to your child, there would be a level of respect. You would think, I know I would never do this to my future children. My parents would never have done this to me. It's like, yeah, we're not doing this.

Like, we can bring cameras into the house for my other son, dating this girl. But to put those two seats, you knew exactly what you're doing. That's a loser fucking move. And I don't blame Aaron from like double middle fingers. Now, the rest of your life, I don't know what else happened. It just feels like there's all this negative energy surrounding his family that's forced him into kind of this weird life that I see people on the internet right now are making fun of like, do we got a mantai tail situation going on? He's got a wedding ring. No one's seen his wife.

He's going on solo walks on the beach. I don't recommend Enigma. If you never watch it, you're not missing much. It's just kind of a, the football part is. kind of cool. Like I enjoyed like Mike McCarthy is a big part of it. Some of his former coaches are big part of it. But any part outside of football

just feels a little weird. And this is what I was saying like about you know, people making fun of them for the ayahuasca, for the darkness retreats. Like you get made fun of for doing that stuff. Like even if there are positive benefits, you know,

like, listen, I don't journal, but clearly watch a lot of successful people that talk about it on Instagram, like, probably journaling's pretty healthy. If I went on a couple of my group chats that I'm on text message with from friends from college or friends from the NFL and just started throwing out, like,

here are my thoughts that I've journaled over the last week and they made fun of me. I'd only have myself to blame. And I just think when you've, I mean, he's made hundreds of millions of dollars. There's like a LeBron element to this. What does he get made fun of all the time? It's like, LeBron lives in his own little world. Well, who in LeBron's camp is going to tell LeBron

no, who's going to tell LeBron like, hey, that kind of sounds stupid. I just saw today he opted back into his contract. He will have made $580 million in his NBA career. So when you factor in the amount of revenue, he's generating for everyone in that little circle. Business is booming.

And the one thing when business is booming, you don't want to fuck with the cash cow. So I just watched this enigma thinking, this is a bizarre experience. This is not even uncomfortable, but but there's an element of kind of sadness. There's an element you feel for the guy.

Obviously, the family element. But it's like, there's just like this egotistical factoring in like this resentment toward other. It's just, it's a wild experience, which, yeah, wouldn't recommend. Other than that, I was thinking today, like, some of these guys, I saw Florio put it like a hot seat. Obviously, every year we know on the, low end, it's five. On the high end, it could be like six or seven guys getting fired.

That some of these guys that are on summer break right now that have, you know, one of the best jobs in professional sports. You're the head coach of an NFL team. Even if you're on the low end, you're making $7,8 million. Think about Major League Baseball managers. Some of these guys make like $800,000. So that's like what a running back coach makes with 10 years experience in the league. So it's an incredibly highly paid, highly public, highly, you know, you get a lot of, A lot of power that comes along with it. It's a great gig. It's an intense gig.

It's a stressful gig, but it's one that not many people get the opportunity to ever do even in the profession. Some of these guys know they're screwed. I was thinking about if you're Brian Daibald, you head to vacation, you think, my career, my head coaching career, at least, is depending on Russell Wilson throwing touchdowns. I'm Shane Stuyken. And listen, one of the, you know, surprise predictions last week on the herd was Daniel Jones resurrects his career. What if he doesn't? And if you're Shane Stiking, you're thinking a couple years ago, I was known as a genius. I helped save like Nick Siriani's career because they gave me the play calling duties.

I helped make Jalen Hertz a high-end player. Offensively, I was known as a genius. Hell, two years ago, I was like, this guy won nine games with Gardner Minchu. Now I'm potentially fighting for my job and it's tied to Daniel Jones by all reports and everyone in India. You can see this coming from a mile away. He's going to be the starting quarterback in Indianapolis. You can put that in Sharpie right now. Daniel Jones, week one starting.

That's who you're depending on? Man, I mean, sometimes when your backs against the wall, you just hope to get a lifeline, right? It's like you see some of these situations. someone's like floating that gets found by a Coast Guard in the water. It's like, well, we had my boat capsized, but we had this incredible blow-up buoy thing that I was able to sit on. I had a flare. It wasn't easy, but given the circumstance, save my life. I don't know if that's a situation here.

It could get really, really ugly. And obviously, every year, you know, you have situations that you didn't see coming. you know, everyone thinks Mike McDaniels in major, major trouble. I think that team is just not going to be very good. And I think, I've said this forever. You know, it's one of those jobs, like Brian Daiball and Shane Steak and if they were to get fired, would be offensive coordinators immediately. Like, look at Dennis Allen, who was, he was an embarrassing head coach.

Your boy picked the Saints last year, shows you what an idiot I am. But he'll never be a head coach again. but the moment he's available, like three teams are trying to hire him as a defensive coordinator. And he will be a defensive coordinator until he doesn't want to work in the NFL. Well, a defensive coordinator like Dennis Allen, he's making like $2.5, $3, $4 million. He has none of the stress of being a head coach.

He's not in charge of the personnel. All he has to do is coach defense. And he's making millions of dollars. He's making more than probably, I don't know, 40%, 50% of the roster? And he's a failure as a head coach. So Shane Seichen, Brian Daibel, these guys, even Mike McDaniel, I'm sure would get hired to be an offensive coordinator pretty quickly.

But being a head coach, pretty lucrative. It gives you a lot of fame, gives you a lot of money, gives you a lot of power. You sit at the front of the seat, you sit at the front of the table, everyone's looking at you. You make the hires. You have a huge influence, even if you're not in control of the draft. You have a huge influence on the draft because what GM wants to give a player to the head coach that doesn't want to coach him. So say, you know, whether the front office is in charge or not,

you kind of have to acquiesce a little bit to whoever your coaches are because you want them to like the players. Because they don't like the players, they can control that guy's trajectory and all of a sudden he's not playing and does you know good. Blending Vice's signature dynamic storytelling with the high-octane world of sports, Vice Sports brings an exciting and diverse range of programming that goes beyond the game. From action-packed live events to gripping behind-the-scenes documentaries to hard-hitting investigative pieces and in-depth profiles of athletes, coaches, teams. Vice Sports captures the raw energy, drama, and passion that makes sports truly unforgettable.

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Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band.

Before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys. remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad,

Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, not quite.

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Jacob told Levan, you're ruining my life. Listen to Kingdom of Fraud on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, mailbag time. At John Middlecoff. At John Middlecoff is the Instagram fire in those DMs. Get your questions answered on the show. Want to bang out a bunch. If you guys, we're going to do, I'm going to need you probably later in the week.

So fire back in those DMs. at John Middilkoff. You guys know the drill. This is your time to shine in the offseason. This is from Kevin. Good question. Did you see Big Ben's take that he would take Prime Rogers over Prime Mahomes? What are your thoughts?

You know what's funny is on my YouTube, like, I don't even know, page, home page. Rathusberger podcast where he's, I don't know who his buddy is, young kid, it looks like, popped up today. and I watched for a minute. It was like Ben talking about his vacation, but I didn't hear him say that. I saw the headline. Listen, you could, and this is what I noticed in Enigma,

you could make the argument in the peak of his powers. I'm talking regular season, is as good of a quarterback that has ever played. I mean, Aaron was a total package. He was smart. He was athletic. He had a huge arm. He could make throws from the pocket.

he could scramble and make throws on the run, meaning he was a playmaker, and he was incredibly accurate. And he could play in all weather types. Like, he was as good of an individual player in the regular season that's ever played. Now, I think if you wanted to nitpick early on, the defense let him down.

I do think he let them down a little bit as he got older. But this isn't like, yeah, I would take, I think there's something special about what Mahomes brings to the table. But like, listen, you could argue like anything you wanted in sports, right? You'd go Rogers. Well, you know, Mike McCarthy was his head coach.

Don Capers was his defensive coordinator. You put 26-year-old Aaron Rogers with Andy Freaking Reed and Steve Spagnola and let like that operation, who do you like? I think it's a fair argument. Would Aaron Rogers just have one Super Bowl? If in the prime of his career from like 10 to 50, he was on this Chiefs team. Now would he have gone to five to six Super Bowls

or five of six Super Bowls? Yeah, I think you could make the argument that you would rather have Mahomes in some of these situations. Though Mahomes played a little like Rogers in some of these big games, right? Just don't make a mistake, play smart, and his defense got the job done.

Now, like, listen, I would take Mahomes. After watching Enigma, I think there's some element of Mahomes that just resonates with human beings more than Rogers. But I don't think it's the craziest take. I really don't. I think if you put in his prime, Aaron Rogers,

and you give him to Belichick in 2001, or you give him to Bill Walsh in 1983, like I think you're winning a lot of Super Bowls as well. But that's not how we play the game. Like, I don't think it's absurd of a take as like when Darryl more used to call James Harden a better offensive player than Michael Jordan. It's like, Darrell, you lost us.

Like, you lost the argument. Like I, and I also, understand from Big Ben's perspective. Plus, listen, we talked about Brady with the bias for Sam Darnold. There's an element here of, like, Ben played against Rogers. Saw how fucking good he was. He's like, I'm Big Ben,

I'm going to the Hall of Fame, I'm one of the best quarterbacks of my generation, and this guy's way better than me. And I've won two Super Bowls. I'm not a better player in this guy. So I get it. When you see something, like you're not going to convince me there's anyone better at sports talk and what they do than coward. Why?

I've had a front row seat. I saw it last week. I've listened forever. I've podcasted with him. And then I saw him work live on television. I'm like, that's as good as it gets. It's crazy how talented this guy is. And, you know, I think part of any of our experiences are just what we see. Right?

And I think there's an element of that with Ben, with Aaron. You forgot Jalen Hertz in your top 10 on your last pot. Please tell me that's the name you were missing. Jalen Hurst is a top 10 quarterback. I would agree. Sometimes we're doing this stuff on the fly. Okay, this is from Matt. My twin brother and I are having a debate on who will be the better team this upcoming season,

the Broncos or the Raiders. With Peyton, Bow, second year in the system with a better run game and elite defense, I think the Broncos are sneaky good and could win a playoff game or two. My twin thinks the Raiders win a playoff game. There's no way. The Broncos did one of the best defense in the league. They led the league in sacks. their offense is going to be better.

Their quarterback threw 29 touchdowns last year. They already have an established culture operation. Pete Carroll's never coached these guys, even if they vastly improve. There's no way you could objectively pick the Raiders going into this season over the Broncos. Now, if you're a Raider fan, I totally get it. But based on all the evidence we have,

the roster, you would have to take the Broncos. So I would, I think it's not inconceivable that the Broncos or the Chargers win the division, right? I mean, are the Chiefs going to win it 15 straight years? They're going to have one of these years where just they win 11 games and someone in their division wins 13. This might be it. Two questions. My partner and I are looking to plan a golf spa trip. Do you have any recommendations in Scottsdale?

Furthermore, how do you see the Jets doing this year? I would say two hotels that jump out to me that also have golf courses would be the Desert Ridge Hotel. It's in North Scottsdale. I stayed there years ago when I was kind of looking at trying to buy property here. I came out here for like 10 days where I met my future wife. It's sitting, especially if you have kids, it's got like a lazy river. It's just a cool hotel. I think they got 27 holes of golf behind it.

Jack Nicholas and Nick Faldo developed it. It's a cool property. and then the Phoenician, same type thing. I would imagine both. I'm not a big, I'm not a big spa day guy. I mean, I like a good steam room in a sauna, but I've never got a spa day here, but I would imagine both have, you know,

the infrastructure there for spa day. You'd have to check, but I'd say Desert Ridge or the Phoenician. Also, just, like I said, golf. The Jets, I think they're not going to be very good. If I had to bet, like, more than likely, they're selling off some of their parts by the trade deadline.

This is a reset. You know, it'll be fascinating. You know, Brees Hall has already been on the trading block. I think the Soss thing is pretty fascinating. I had a scout in the league that told me, not even a scout. I mean, he's like an assistant GM that said, listen, those first two years, they let Soss,

they weren't calling PIs. He got to be as physical as he wanted. And when he's a big, he's tall, long corner, he could fucking mall you. Last year, what happened? They started throwing the flag. Sauce is not a 4-3. He's not Derek Stingley.

So if they don't let him mall you at the line, like he's not just going to be able to mirror you in the hip pocket. So it's going to be fascinating, you know, the first two years, like all pro. So if you're Sauce, you're like thinking, give me $100 million. And if you're the Jets, I could not do that. I'd have to let it play out a little bit. And then if it plays out and not the right way and you're not going to give him an extension, you know, what's his market?

He does fit some specific type defense. you know, I don't know. He's going to be a fascinating case study. I think the Jets are just not going to be good. And not because, you know, Aaron Glenn's impressive guy, but Fields your starting quarterback, a lot of just unknown, you know, with just how last year went,

how these guys are going to bounce back. I don't know. I don't have high hopes for kind of the squad. I was listening to the New Heights podcast a few days ago, where Jason Kelsey started comparing the Chiefs rookie Josh Simmons physically to players like Jason Peters and Trent Williams. However, do you think he truly will be able

to be an above average left tackle for the Chiefs like Eric Fisher? Or do you think the Chiefs align will be good without a player like Joe Tooney? I didn't listen to the podcast, but I obviously do this for a living. I saw the headlines of Jason. one thing's pretty clear is Jason,

I don't know if he has an official title, but he watches offensive linemen for Howie, and he likes doing it. And I would imagine how he's like, this guy could be there when we draft, right, because of the injury. And you know, the Eagles probably were interested anytime a guy like, I mean, look,

they took Jod Campbell, who also liked Josh Simmons, the only reason he was there because of injury. Josh Simmons, before he was, got injured was going in the top 10. Now, when you compare, you know, Jason Peters was a tight end in college. Trent Williams went fourth overall. I think both those guys share two characteristics of physically there aren't many human beings like either one. You know, both guys could be 350 pounds and they still move around as a foot athlete like they're a

linebacker. They are elite athletes. They are just in this body type that, I mean, a small, small percentage of human beings are on the planet that have 6-5, the girth to be 340, 350 pounds, and then athletically move like that. But both guys, when they're right physically in their primes, Trent will see if he's still in it. Obviously, Jason's prime ended years ago. I mean, they were as good as it gets at left tackle. You know, Josh Simmons, I think, I think the scary thing for him, would be that didn't he tear his Patelah?

What, yeah? That's... Now listen, my dad Torres Patella when I was in junior high. Maybe I was in elementary school. It would have been the mid to late 90s. There's a man in his 50s. So I'm not comparing him to an athlete.

But it's a very, very serious injury. It's not an ACL. It's not even Achilles. It's not like Tommy John. Like, it's something. injuries like that, you're never quite the same. And I think it shows you because most people would agree him coming out even more than Will Campbell. This guy physically had the highest upside. Like if anyone was going to be just a seven-time pro bowler at left tackle, it was going to be this

guy. If he had torn his ACL, not torn as Patela, there's no way he makes it to the cheese. None. Would never have made it that far. He would have gone probably. probably still in the top 15. Even if someone's like, I'm returing him, it's worth it. But, you know, the Patela thing is scary. My dad's knee never was the same. Honestly, when he got into his mid to late 60s, he should have got a knee replacement.

This guy's how old's Josh Simmons. He's 22 years old. So, I mean, obviously, you know, your body recovers differently. If everything's fine, and he just comes out of it like a player that Terres ACL breaks the leg, whatever. the chiefs are going to have one of the best players in the draft for sure because physically like this guy was at Ohio State for a reason

it was a big deal when he got injured I always like to look at like you know blue chip guys like this if you just go to Josh Simmons rivals like if you just go to his what he was like coming out of high school he was not the craziest recruit ever I guess

four star originally signed with San Diego State, then obviously blew up. Actually started San Diego State. I actually didn't know that. Started San Diego State and then transferred to Ohio State. So this guy's a transfer portal. Went to Helix High School. You guys want to play a little trivia?

You know who else went to Helix High School? Well, given that only I'm on the podcast, I'll answer. Alex Smith and Reggie Bush. It's in, I think, North San Diego is considered. this is a good signing for the San Diego State that's the sad part about the fucking transfer portal it's like you're San Diego State you get Josh Simmons

who Jason Kelsey is comparing to Trent Williams and Jason Peters and then all of a sudden the guy ends up in Ohio State how is the little guy supposed to compete Fresno State San Diego State Boise State they get their Josh Simmons and then all of a sudden two years later

the guy's at Ohio State and I don't blame Josh Simmons for going to Ohio State I'd got to Ohio State too. Can you imagine Josh Simmons? Like, the Transfer Portal's got some good players. There can't be many guys. This guy's a future first round pick at left tackle entering the Transfer Portal from a smaller Division I program.

I can't even imagine how many people are coming after that guy. Okay, this is from Richie. Congratulations on your wedding. Congrats on filling in for the herd. These guys give me a lot of congrats. Why do you think the UFC, and MMA is not discussed more in major sports networks like FS1. Look at this weekend.

UFC had a major event UFC 317, which I believe was stacked with great fights and fan favorite fighters. The event also delivered with many finishes via TKO, KO, or submission. I guess that would prefer shows like The Herd and first things first to discuss more UFC content over topics regarding the L.A. Lakers. The irrelevant Dallas Cowboys, Fly Goes Fly, or the WNBA.

I would like to know your opinion of the UFC and Dana White and how mainstream can you envision the company growing? It's a pretty good question. I do think there are two elements of this. One, if you're Colin or Nick

or whoever, first take, the majority, 90% of what you're going to talk is going to be football and basketball. and, you know, depending on the show, like Collins probably, 70 football, 75 football, and 25 basketball. Some of the other shows, maybe, you know, first takes 50, 50, right? They talk a ton of NBA. I would imagine Nick Wright's show talks a lot of NBA too.

But, like, you know that works. Like, that's a winning formula. Not every guy is going to be in the UFC, right? I would say the UFC, like tennis or golf or, you know, F1. or NASCAR, baseball, has become very niche in the sense of people following it very, very intently. So if I just like, hey, here's a topic on Steph Curry or here's a topic on Jalen Hertz, most sports fans are going to be able to follow along.

I'm a good example. I have a lot of respect for the business that the Fortita brothers, the Dana White. When I went to Cal Poly, Chuck Lydell was becoming a rocket ship. He was a Cal Poly grad. He trained in Cal Poly. He would, or in San Luis Obispo. He would show up at the frat parties when I was in college and like, steal the hottest chick. Like he, it was a big deal because we were in that little world.

But like the UFC the other night, I didn't watch. Not because I don't respect the fighters. I'm just not that into it for whatever reason. Right. And I know Daniel Cormier seemed like an awesome dude. Rogan, Anick. Like their whole operation is really, really high level. But it still is in terms of, one, anytime you get pay-per-view, you have a barrier to entry where these other sports are just, they're not technically free, right?

Because cable box or whatever. But for the most part, like, it's easy to watch an NBA playoff game or an NFL game or a college football game. It is a little more challenging to watch that. And I think Caitlin Clark's a good example. She became a story on the main network. before everyone was watching her, but then it drove people to watch. But like, you'd have to be pretty passionate to do that

and hope that people would... A huge part of these television shows is ratings. So you do things that you know will work. So, like, Colin knows that if me and him, and he was really cool to, like, he did a couple segments where it was a back and forth with me. He didn't have to do that. And we chose...

I mean, he chose, but like, you want to do NFL segments? I'm like, yeah, he knows it's going to work. You know, if I was a former baseball scout, we wouldn't do like my five favorite players in Major League Baseball, right? We wouldn't do that. And Fox has some Major League Baseball. So I think it's a long-winded way of saying, one, I think it's still in a weird way, not that mainstream, even though it's a very lucrative operation now. And Dana White's really famous and some of, you know, I do you think if Connor was still involved.

Like you can I do golf on this medium one because I love it I follow it I mean today I'm watching Max Grazerman go at it with this dude from South Africa and Jake Nap

and live on the other television but that's not normal and I know that when I do go low tomorrow that most people probably haven't watched the Rocket Mortgage Tournament I don't blame you wouldn't watch it either

if I had something else to do so you know that it's a little like that with UFC but if Tiger Woods had just played in the rocket mortgage and won the rocket mortgage, you could talk about it and people wouldn't follow along.

Just like if Connor McGregor were still fighting, like someone that famous, you could talk about it and people would follow along. It's why when Jake Paul fought if he wanted to fight Mike Tyson, like people kind of pay attention.

In a sport like that, the individual firepower, you need a superstar to break through. And I don't even know if Chuck was quite that. he was close and then they've had you know I would say Connors

and I think even Dana said right he's the most important fighter that's ever come along in terms of mainstream popularity and fame like golf was around well before Tiger Wood showed up he changed the sport in terms of

I love country music without Garth Brooks country music doesn't become as mainstream as it became the last 25 years change the fucking game for everybody open the floodgates for guys like

Tim McGraw Kenny Chesney, Jason L. Dean, Luke Bryan to become worth hundreds of millions of dollars. Before that, it was kind of like redneck honky talk, you know, very, I would say a little niche music. And it no longer is. You could argue now it's the most popular music going. And a big reason for that happened when I was a kid

with Garth Brooks in the 90s that broke through. That whether you like country music or you didn't like country music, you followed Garth Brooks. And I think individual sports have elements of that. Tiger Woods was that. I would imagine back in like the 50s and say Arnold Palmer was like that. We've seen that in tennis like, you know, Pete Sampras was way better than Andre Agassiz. Andre Agassiz was the more important player in terms of like commercial fame.

So I don't know if I specifically, because I don't know if there's a specific answer. Like I think Colin could probably answer that question like, no, it just doesn't work. I also think you're talking to an audience of like, I don't know how many people buy this. pay-per-view. Because I love sports. It's like the majority of things that I watch. I don't order the pay-per-views. And I like fighting.

I like watching people get their ass cage. Though there was something, one of the guys that got ca-oed, he got knocked out. Dude hit him right across the face. He's out. As he hits the ground, I bet his head hits the canvas,

also knocks him out. He is out. I mean, it's clear the guy's done. This dude jumps, on him, hammer punches his face before the ref could get there. I like violence. I am pro violence. Felt a little unnecessary.

I was like, Jesus. Felt uncomfortable watching. In a good way. But it was, had to hurt. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, news, huge news. We created our own podcast called,

Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a podcast. A pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember.

I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas.

and then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite.

Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and Head, writer Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Jacob Kingston grew up in an isolated polygamous sect.

We were God's chosen kingdom on earth. He felt destined for greatness. So when a swaggering Armenian businessman catapulted Jacob's. into an extraordinary world, he doesn't look back. Ferraris and Lamborghinis, private jets, meeting the president of Turkey. I'm Michelle McPhee, and this is one of the most shocking criminal conspiracies I've ever come across. When Jacob met Levant this went to a billion dollar fraud. But with two kings from entirely different worlds, just how long can their empire survive? The largest tax investigation in American history.

You need to tell me, What you know is somebody coming after me. Jacob told Levan, you're ruining my life. Listen to Kingdom of Fraud on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending. Opinions are flying.

And nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise. breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athlete themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real.

From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context, and ask the questions everybody wants answered. Sports slice brings you closer to the action with stories told by the people who live them. Listen to Sports Slice. radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slic Life 12 and the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Okay, hey John. I think your criticisms with the dolphins are reasonable, considering they're coming

off an eight and nine season. However, two of lead to league and completion percentage, 72% last year. I also think they had a pretty good draft. If their O line is even average, I think they will go back to their 23 form. They also were missing seven starters last year. Ramsey can get them a trade package. Can he, though? Because if he could, he'd be gone.

I don't know if Jalen can get you a trade package. Maybe we're all just overlooking a scenario where they actually are decent in the years. My guess is 9 and 8. I just, I'm betting on them to suck. I am. I'm with you. I think Tula gets unfairly criticized. Like, he's not as bad as I think the way he's talked about.

But can't play outdoors late in the season. We know that's a fact. and then the injury risks are just pretty high. Is Scary Terry a Hall of Fame on a Hall of Fame run? He's had a thousand yards season every single year since he's been in the league, but no one talks about it. If he continues for another four years, is he a Hall of Famer? I think sometimes, you know, the Hall of Fame talk,

you can accumulate enough numbers to be in the Hall of Fame. And listen, Terry McLaurin is a really good player. and like you said he's been from 20 871100 77-1-700 77-11-100 79 a thousand 82 a thousand when I watched Terry McLaren I don't think Hall of Famer right like when I watched Justin Jefferson I think Hall of Fame

Jamar Chase I think Hall of Fame I watched Terry McLaren really good whatever happened to just like this guy's just good this guy's a good player I feel like the NFL Hall of Fame is kind of becoming the NBA Hall of Fame or I guess it's not even the NBA Fall Famed it's the Basketball Hall of Fame where everyone kind of gets in

where it's like I like my Hall of Fame to be like yeah Joe Montana Jerry Rice Tom Brady Peyton Manning Kobe Bryant Shaq

LeBron Steph like the Dion Sanders the best of the best like Terry McClare's good I'd want him on my team has anyone think and I'm not trying to shit on your take here

but Terry McCoran is not a hallfamer to me does that mean if he has another five years playing like he's playing who knows I wouldn't put it past him but like I just think sometimes

like Aaron Donald you know Trent Williams Hall of Famer should be pretty obvious that there should be you should know right away it shouldn't be an acquired taste should not be an acquired

like I used to when I was a kid I didn't like mustard now I like mustard on my sandwiches used to hate tomatoes now I can't eat a sandwich without tomatoes you should know right away you know what I never turned down pizza I liked it my whole life I watched this player like this guy is

elite. Like there can be a level of player that between like not trying to replace, but also not going to the Hall of Fame. And that's, listen, sports debate talk has kind of created this, but it's good. I mean, not putting that much emphasis. He's two-time pro bowler, second team all pro.

I mean, his career high in catches is his second year 87. Not all his fault, but, I mean, he's like averages essentially 78 catches a year, a thousand yards, like four or five touchdowns, which is fucking good. He's going to make $150 million playing in the NFL. Okay, last question. This is from Cam. Cameron. Maybe it's the fan in me, but whatever I hear,

Baker grouped with guys like Gino and Darnold, I feel like it's disrespectful. He had decent numbers in Cleveland. And since joining Tampa has arguably been a top eight, nine guy. With the weapons he has this year, do you think he can perform well enough to be consistently talked

about as a top tier guy in the book that's already been written? I agree, comparing him to Gino Smith is unfair. He is a better player objectively than Gino Smith. Like, even Gino's good games like, you know, a lot of bad games and big moments. Gino's solid.

To me, Gino is your classic like somewhere between 13 and 17. And over the course of the year has good and bad but like serious limitations, but makes up for it with leadership. He's got a big arm so he can make some big plays. But like, you never watch Gino like, it's a top of seven

quarterback. Like you have Baker games are like, is this one of the best players in the league? And him and Sam were on the same team. Now, both of them different world to go. Baker beat him out. Now you could argue that they were going to start Baker no matter what, still happen. I'm with you. I think Baker, I would expect a huge year from Baker.

I mean, I like Tampa to win that division. I like Baker to throw 35, 40 touchdowns, and I think he's going to be well established as competing to be one of the best quarterbacks in the NFC. Like, one thing with the AFC is you have like all-time great players, right? Mahomes, Hall of Fame, Lamar Hall of Fame, Josh Allen Hall of Fame, Joe Burrow, probably going to be Hall of Fame. Herbert fucking good. You got big time quarterbacks.

In the NFC, you got, okay, Jaden, incredible rookie year. See, back it up, which I expect him to do. I'm not down on him. You got Jalen who everyone loves Jalen Hurst after the Super Bowl. There were times last season where people are like, what the hell is going on with the past game? Jalen can be a frustrating player at times. Obviously, very talented, dual threat guy.

You know, Gough, his good guy. games look damn good in the dome. But it can have games where you're like, God, that was pretty bad. It's not exactly murderers row in the NFC. Stafford's 38 years old. You know, Purdy, depending on who you ask, either is awesome or sucks.

So the competition Baker has to go, especially in his own division. You got Bryce, you got Pennix, and sometimes the South. You know what's crazy? It happens to be every time. You got Tampa. You have New Orleans.

you have Carolina and Atlanta. So you got Tyler Schock, Panix, and Bryce. And there's a chance Tampa wins that division by a couple games. What if Atlanta doesn't win, like, goes like eight and nine or seven and ten? Is Arthur Blank going to fire everybody? That thing could get weird and that thing can get weird fast. But I'm with you. I think Baker has established himself as, you know, one of the,

big guns definitely in the in the NFC and that's how many you only play in four aFC games well i guess it flip flops maybe you're playing five this year but let's just let's just end with this let's just pull up Tampa schedule who uh they went 10 and 7 last year so they open with the falcons like them to win that game at the texans jets eagles at sea hawks niners at lions at saints Patriots, at Bills, at Rams. Schedule's actually, they got some tough games because they play the NFC West. If they can just kind of be around 500,

the last six, seven games get kind of easy. Cardinals, Saints, Falcons, Panthers, Panthers, dolphins, Panthers. So if they can be around like six and six, five and five, they got a stretch here where they can take advantage of it. They got some tough games early. At Houston's not an easy game.

That's Monday night football it looks like. Might be a Monday night football double header. Get the Eagles at home. Have heat on their side. At Seattle, that's not easy. Then you've got to fly all the way home to play the Niners the next week. Then you've got to go at Detroit, which is a Monday night game. That's a good Monday night football game.

To me, where they really got to take advantage of is they just got to dominate within their division. and I don't see why they won't. Like I would say, what they do last year in the division, they went four and two. I mean, I think if they go four and two again, they're probably maybe they're a nine win team this year, but if they go five and one, I mean, I don't see how they wouldn't be, you know, a 10 win team.

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