The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Cam Newton, NBA playoffs, MLB, Antonio Brown

Episode Date: July 2, 2020

Filling in for Colin, Doug Gottlieb talks about Cam Newton betting on himself and why it might not work, why every player should want to go to the NBA bubble, why he's defending Rob Manfred, and what team is the best fit for Antonio Brown. Guests include Kenny Smith, Brandon Weeden, and T. J. Houshmandzadeh. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Brandon Whedon's going to join us, former starting quarterback with the Browns, the Cowboys, and the Texans, and Tj. Hushman Zotto will join us. We'll ask them about Cam Newton. Contract details have come out, and they're alarming to some. They're very telling to most of us. We'll get to that.

But let's start with the NBA bubble where we're, if you're online, you can go to the NBA's Twitter page or their website and you can see that they're laying down the practice floors in ballrooms in Orlando. It is a go. It's going to cost the league $150 million to put on this COVID-19 post-quarantine bubble. And while the rest of the world starts to shut down, the NBA does seem. to appear to be a little bit ahead of the curve, right? I was under the impression.

I've continued to be under the impression, hey, the rest of the world has opened up. Why won't the NBA open up and have it at practice facilities and have it in home sites? I think when we're seeing some of these numbers forecast what the end of July and August could in fact look like. But what I don't understand, what I will not accept is star players,

or at most any player deciding they don't want to go play in Orlando. That's right, I'm saying what most of you are thinking. Yeah, it's really hard to tell somebody to get their butts back to work, but that's what I'm telling you. Specifically to a guy like a Brad Beale or a Dwight Howard or an Avery Bradley. Okay, let's start with the COVID-19 concerns. Okay, I am not Clay Travis, who is denying that any of them, this should have any sort of effect on our lives from this point forward.

I'm not, I like Clay, we work at the same company, I vehemently disagree, not because I know what I'm talking about, but I actually believe that scientists, doctors, and oh yeah, by the way, even some, when, when the state of Texas is like, hey man, we got a problem, right? Hey, man, we got a problem. Like when Texas starts shutting things down, Texas, which is the, I'm actually wearing a Texas hat right now that says, come and take it.

Come and take it. It was a mantra from the Texas War of Independence from Mexico. Texas is the lone star state. Hey, Governor Abbott stuck out his chest and we're opening up before everybody else. Now they're closing up because they see the numbers are not trending in the right direction. but but here's the problem okay let's say you're brad beale let's say your avery badly let's let's say that you're dwight howard and you're saying COVID not the i got concerns over the quarantine bubble okay I will allow that to be your excuse if and only if you have done

the following self quarantine this entire time I'm only going to either cook my own food, which I shop for myself, and when I shop for it, I have gloves on, I have a mask on, or when I order it out, I have all the different precautions because, hey, even though fewer people, you come in contact with fewer people, the Uber driver or the DoorDash guy, he comes in contact with lots of people. You can't control that. Plus the cooks, plus whoever handled it from the cook to putting it in the packaging, like if you're black lighting all of that stuff and finding the germs and operating as as if you're still in self-quarantine and self-isolation, I'm good. But the truth is,

most of these guys have been out and about. And if they haven't been out and about, people around them have. The world is open under varying levels of phases of quarantine. So you mean to tell me you think you're safer at home than you are in the quarantine box. where you'll have doctors and medical personnel the best of the absolute best and a limit to who can come in and who can come out where there's no limitations outside of it yeah i'm not buying that that is not a in the real world that's a BS excuse we all know it we're just not willing to say it because people throw out my kids i can't see my kids or and we talk about family which is reasonable i'm a parent i've never liked it when some people

People act as if they're the only ones who, when they go to work for their job, have to leave their kids at home. That's called work. That's what you have to do. That's why the Take Your Kids to Work Day is once a year. Because for the most part, you can't take your kids to work. What, did you just become aware that basketball was a job that was going to take you away from home? And oh yeah, by the way, for the guys that aren't going to make the playoffs, like a Brad, Beal, like, dude, we're talking about a month.

You go down there, you train for a couple weeks, you play eight games, then you go home. They're not making the playoffs. It's not happening. So really, it's more the Dwight Howard who's reconnected with a kid from a previous relationship or LeBron James, who's got his family. And no one has said those kids can't come if they want to come. After a certain amount of time, they can come. The problem is that they have to be in quarantine for four days once they get there.

But yeah, you potentially could not see your kids and your wife or your significant other for three months, but you've gotten three months where you could only see them. And oh yeah, by the way, here's the biggest thing. I may sound like a callous jerk. I may sound like somebody who lacks empathy and understanding. Or maybe I'm just telling you the reality of it. This is not about the Washington Wizards per se. This is not about the Lakers.

Yeah, if I'm, if I'm LeBron, I'm pissed off at Avery Bradley. We wanted you on this team. We signed you on this team. We put forth that we have one goal that's to win a championship, an NBA championship. You go down in immortality, maybe even more so now for this year than you would any other year because you're going to be one of the only things on. There's not going to be fans. It's a very unique environment.

But for LeBron James, I wanted you on this team to win a championship. And now all you got to do is go and stay in a luxury hotel for a couple months and play ball. And you don't want to do it. Please don't give me the lack of ability to be part of the social justice movement. The NBA has a limit. Like, ma'am, we're going to put Black Lives Matter on the court. You can make statements on the back of your jersey. And oh, yeah, by the way, every time you're interviewed, you can, you still have social media.

You can still post whatever you would like. No one has stopped you from being part of the movement. No one. That's a BS excuse as well. So what are we left with? Look, the industry that you work for. And I'm not saying that basketball is perfect, but they're just about as good a contracts as you could ever get.

They are guaranteed dollar for dollar. Your leg could fall off. Brad Beale's leg could fall off. I don't want it to. I think Brad Beale's a great, not good, great player. He is as underrated a player nationally as there is. But his leg could fall off. He signed a two-year extension with a two-year player option

that could be worth up to $144 million. He's already made $107 million in a short NBA career of which he's probably got 10 more years, at least. I mean, he's going to clear $300 million, just on basketball alone, not any other stuff, whether he wins, loses anything, because he's good at it. that industry needs you. Like, I'm not even talking about the public

and how we do need a distraction from everything else, and that's what sports provides or an entertainment value. And maybe to some that signifies that it'll be a distraction from social justice change. Whatever. Your industry, the one that has created this platform for you, the one that will make not just your kids

or your grandkids or your grandkids or your grandkids, well to do. That industry, that sport needs you. And you're like, yeah, I don't know. I'm not feeling it. Like sports and success in sports has always been about sacrifice. I just saw LeBron James post, early bird gets the worm. He's the first one in the Lakers facility today.

He's there by himself. Sports and your success of it is about sacrifice. So I'm sorry, guys. You tell me that I don't want. want to go just because, I don't know, social justice, COVID, family. I speak for most of the American public. The reality is you have a very well-paying job. You're one of 450 humans on earth that are better at your job than anybody else.

You're great. You're paid to be great. We're not asking a lot of you. And frankly, we're not asking of you. Your industry needs you at this very moment. and the selfishness and self-centeredness of so many guys who look at themselves and say, I don't, of course you don't want to do it. But how you got here was, did you want to go to the gym every morning to get shots up?

To work on your body? Of course you didn't. You didn't because you wanted that ultimate payday. You wanted the respect of your peers. You wanted to be one of the chosen few. You've gotten here. And now you've forgotten all of that. those sacrifices daily you won't make for a month to three months because why don't give me the

COVID-19 that's BS and we all know it you can tell me social justice that's fine the truth is we're talking about a month for brad be all three months for every bradley and you'll have a platform and you'll have your social media if you want to promote change and oh yeah by the way all the money that you make and that you generate you can donate to the causes that need those resources to be successful. Family, they can join you or they cannot join you. But the truth is, you weren't toting them all around the country when you were playing ball to begin with, right? And you just spent three months with that. I'm not actually outraged. Kind of embarrassed. As an athlete, as a guy who I used a slightly above average college career to make it for myself,

my own industry. Like, look, we're struggling in the media. It's hard to ask people to sponsor radio and TV shows when they're laying people off or furloughing people. We're laying people off and furlowing people. But you show up every day at work because that industry needs you during the times when they are toughest. Anybody can show up. Anybody can show up when times are good. It takes nothing to show up for a home game when the place is packed and the Lakers are coming to town. This to me, and this is the Dwight Howard's, the Avery Bradley's, and the Bradbeals,

this strikes as the exact opposite of how most every athlete sees this opportunity and sees their sport, their industry needing them, and what you should properly do. And I can't understand it, take it, or tell you that I think it's the right thing to do. They all, everyone throws out their family, their family, their family. We all have families. We all have family. And while there is a sacrifice and it does suck, nobody said you can't take your family ultimately with you after a certain period of time

if they want to go through the quarantine or they can stay home because you are with them for the last three months. You can tell me I'm callous that I lack empathy or some sort of feeling. I'm telling you what everybody thinks. or a very, very strong high percentage. Not the social media outrage over Gottlieb doesn't care. That's not true. But every sort of fear that you may have has been eliminated.

Damien Lillard has doubts about the NBA bubble. My confidence ain't great. My confidence ain't great because you're telling me that you're going to have 22 teams full of players following the rules. When we have 100% freedom, everybody don't follow the rules. I don't have much confidence, but hopefully it'll be handled to the point we're not putting everybody at risk or in a dangerous position. Again, I love Damien Lillard.

I love watching him. I love his story. I love the fact that my brother was a Cal. He was right down the street. And I think my brother's a great evaluator of basketball talent. And he was like, look, he was a six-foot two guard. And we just, you know, he went a place where he got a chance to be a point guard. He's way better than anyone ever thought he could be.

Like, I love guys that prove everybody wrong. That's who Damien Lillard is. but like, dude, okay, there are rules to quarantine and to the bubble. Understood. But at least there are rules and there are doctors. And even if people break those rules and allow others into the bubble, what do you think you have at home? You're not coming from a bubble to another bubble.

You're not coming from self-isolation into the bubble. You're coming from the real world where everybody is out and about and apparently spreading this thing into the bubble. Pack your stuff. We'll see in Orlando. Doug Ghaly in for Colin. I have heard and seen people say Cam Newton starting quarterback Patriots

win the AFC East. The devil is in the details and in his contract it shows Patriots aren't even all in on Cam. I'll prove it to you next. This is the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart

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Listen to cultivating her space on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Doug Gottliebin for calling this is The Herd. Kenny Smith will join us in moments. And you see where USC reverse course announces its undergrads will primarily take online classes this fall. Everybody's talking about college football. Just imagine yourself being a parent who was willing to sacrifice, I don't know, 70,000 post-tax, 70,000 a year, send your kids to USC. They actually increased tuition during the quarantine.

And they're like, hey, your kids probably can be limited to home. Do I get some of the money back? No, no, actually. Same fees. Just you actually have to take the classes online. There you go. There you go. I'm going to explain why Cam's contract,

more easily tells us exactly the level of investment and faith and belief the Patriots have in Cam Newton. Get to that upcoming in 20 minutes. First, though, let's get to Ryan Music with Heard Line News. This is the Heard Line News. Good morning, Doug. Good morning, Ryan. Good to be here with you. Good to have you.

All right. Let's talk some NFL here to start. Raiders offensive linemen Trent Brown has high expectations for his team in their first season in Las Vegas. He told the Fresno B with Henry Ruggs and we still got one of the best backs in the league and we got one of the best offensive lines in the league. I mean, it's about to be scary. I'm excited. I definitely think it's going to be special times and silver and black for years to come. You've been a John Gruden and Mike Mayock defender for a few years now. Yes. Do you think that they are building a real winner there? I do. I'm not as in love with the Ruggs

pick as others are. Look, what I've defended is, John Grin's a good football guy. Mike Mayock, when he was on the NFL network, he did, sometimes it was in his presentation in terms of his knowledge and coming across as a guy who knew more, but he knew, he did in fact, no more. It doesn't mean their hit rate will be 100% on draft picks, but I like the plan. You know, people crushed him when they traded Cleo Mac, like, dude, you got two first round picks and you got out from having to pay him all that money. I just, I don't know how good Derek Carr is. I like the fact that they have Mario-Ota to be his backup in case the Derrick-Car thing

doesn't work. And I think they're loading up with players. Do I think it's going to hit this year, year three? I don't know because you got the defending champions. I think the Chargers have as good a roster as anybody in the sport. And I think the Broncos, Broncos have questions at quarterback, but they, They put together a pretty good roster around them, especially in the offensive side of the ball. Two outstanding running backs, good wide receivers.

I think, look, I think the Raiders could be better. I don't know if their record reflects it as much because the division is so good. It's a lot like Arizona, for example. Like Arizona could be better. How much better? Because those divisions are two of the best, if not the best divisions in sport. NFC South maybe as well in that conversation. So, but I am a believer in what they're building.

I just know, I mean, just tell me Henry Ruggs, like, okay, how much is a rookie going to change their dynamic? Will he be a Debo Samuel type of guy? It does come down to is Derek Carr the guy and have they fixed the defense, which with the numbers that they've thrown at it. Yeah, you've always been a big process over results type of person. Results do matter, but you love the process that they've taken to try and rebuild the team. Look, they had Amari Cooper. had Khalil Mack and they weren't any good. And so you had to ask yourself, like, do we give them bigger contracts than they have,

which limits our ability to fix the rest of them? Or do we trade them away and get more in trade than everyone thought was possible? That's what people forget. Like, people crush the Raiders because they wanted two first round. No way you'll get two first round picks. Then they got it. And the ability to not be paying these massive contracts like the Bears are and the Cowboys are, allows you to fill out your roster.

In theory. Now, in practice, sometimes can be a little different. Yeah, and I think with the Raiders that a lot of people got caught up on, especially Khalil Mack's first year with the Bears and even with Amari Cooper, is I don't think the idea was,

hey, let's trade our best wide receiver and the best pass rusher in the league maybe, and it's going to make us better right now. Like, no, they were always building for the future and people got so caught up in, oh, look at Khalil Mack and look what he's doing for the Bears. No one said Khalil Mack and Amari Cooper weren't awesome. No one said that.

Right. that's why they got, you know, three first round picks combined for those two players. But now they have multiple pass rushers, multiple offensive weapons, financial flexibility. Correct. All right, let's talk some NBA here. Clippers head coach, Doc Rivers is the latest to say the NBA championship this season will come with an asterisk. But in a good way, he said this year's title deserves a gold star. Gold star, not an asterisk.

Not an asterisk. We did this yesterday on our show. Doug Gottlieb show follows this show on Fox, Most of your Fox Sports, in your iHeart radio app. So the problem with the asterisk is, and you have to look this up, like the asterisk doesn't work both ways. You can't say the asterisk is a positive thing.

It's generally seen as a negative, okay, by dictionary definition. So the gold star is like, no, we're not going to do an asterisk, we'll do a gold star. Right. It's really important, and I think that Doc gets this.

We got to know the meaning of words that we use. Sometimes we don't. The perfect example of that I always say is mediocre. People always go, like, he was a mediocre player. Well, mediocre is average. That's actually not a bad. We put a negative connotation on it.

Right. It's like the word fine. How are you? I'm fine. Fine does not mean bad. Right? Bad means bad. Unless you say your wife is fine.

That's true. That's true. That's true. But yeah, how does this look, honey? That's fine. But the word by dictionary definition, fine is mediocre. Is average. Asterisk by dictionary definition as a negative connotation.

That's why Doc is. Anyway, we go out. Sorry, I cut off the story. It's okay. This is what he said. Quote, if you think about the mental toughness, it's going to take whoever comes out of this, it's going to come down to that. It's going to come down to talent.

It's going to come down to teams trying to get back together and play together. But there's going to be so many things that are thrown at us that we don't even know yet that it's going to be. We don't even know yet how hard or mentally tough you're going to need to be during this challenge. This is followed by his son, Austin Rivers, says something very similar. And Janus agreed. Yeah, like, I don't know. if it'll be harder to just be different. It always takes mental toughness to win an

NBA championship. It always takes cohesiveness. It always takes overcoming adversity. It always does. Right. So that's not, but this environment is very, very different. There we know home games, but there'll also be no road games. Right. And there's a certain, like, a lot of these guys are young,

and AAU generation, you're kind of used to going to a hotel, sitting at the Xbox, playing ball, coming back, and then playing 2K on your Xbox. That's what we when, you know, back when we used to, you know, Vegas to Phoenix, tournaments in Santa Barbara, tournaments at Dominguez Hills. Like, so there is a little bit of throwback. The hard part is going to be at this level, usually after two weeks of being in a hotel road trips,

guys wear down. After a month with even your best friends, you're going to want to kill one of them. Right. Right. And I think those are some of the challenges they're talking about. It's going to be different more than anything. You can say it'll be more challenging, and it might be. We don't really know yet, but it's mostly the safest definition is different.

Yes, it's unknown, and we all have some level of fear of the unknown. And that's for Rye Music with the News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. He's accomplished just about everything you want to accomplish in the sport of basketball. And, of course, he's one of the voices of the most popular sports show, not just in basketball, but in sports. He's Kenny the Jet Smith from the NBA on TNT.

Kenny, first of all, most importantly, how's your health? You're healthy, you're ready for Orlando? Uh-oh. We had Kenny Smith, and now Kenny Smith has disappeared into the ether. It will work to get the jet, Kenny Smith, on in mere seconds. Kenny, you with me? All right. Look, that's really the thing with Orlando is there is just so much unknown

as to how this thing will play out. They're going to have practice gyms, how readily available. Can guys get their work in? Can you can't bring your trainer? You know, I would think that, you know, some guys do have a chef. Now you won't be able to bring your chef with you, but they will have chefs and people to make you anything you want, anything your heart desires.

How does your body, how does your body handle? handle that. It's just going to be different. You know, I think, and some of these resorts are very, very close to the milkhouse where they're one of the places they're playing the games. You can, the travel time that you usually have living in a big city will be more than cut in half.

You know, it'd be cut basically to nothing. You'll get on a golf cart and be sped over, or you'll get into something. I mean, you'll get into something and you'll be home. You'll be in whatever domicile you're living in. So I these think it's going to be really interesting to see what happens with these NBA players. Are there some positives that come out of it? My big thing, though, is that while it's reasonable to have a concern over COVID, I'm not saying your

concerns are unreasonable. But what I'm telling you and what I honestly believe, and I think medical experts would tell you, is you're actually safer and better off there. You're safer and better off there. Because however there is some gray area, I mean, Adam Silver is going to come in and out of the bubble, I would think he'll be tested 10 times over. There will be others that come in and out of the bubble. When you're in a normal environment at home, you're not nearly as safe because it's a completely uncontrolled environment. All right, here's what we're going to do. Kenny Smith is going to join us and we'll ask him,

does he think it's reasonable for guys to not show up, to not play? I don't. I think your sport needs you. The same sport that creates the platform for any sort of change you want, social justice, the same sport that fills your pockets with money, in the same sport that rewards you for excellence. I believe these men have earned that money, but they've earned it through the very thing

that's saying we need you right now. We'll ask Canada the Jetsmith if he agrees next in the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened.

That's where sports slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise. Breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athlete themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real. From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context, and ask the questions everybody wants answered. Sports slice brings you closer to the action with stories told by the people who live them.

Listen to SportsSlic on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Sliced Life 12 in the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam J.

And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick you here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack,

so I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now, so. Then you're finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, guys? This is Clever Taylor the Fourth. And on my podcast, The Cliverts Show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff.

Like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker, this linebacker walks up to me. He goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What? Time out. Quarterback on office blue with 42. Hey, Wreck, my mama want you to weigh better. What? Hey, Miss Parker. Listen to the Clifford show on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

Agency. The ability to know that we're the experts in our own body. On the podcast, cultivating her space, Dr. Dom and Terry Lulmex create a space where black women can show up fully and be heard. I wholeheartedly think, you know, you hit 30. You shouldn't have to share one with anybody. Mm-hmm. From navigating friendships and healing to setting boundaries and prioritizing your mental health.

These are real honest conversations. We don't always get to have out loud. Totally unreasonable with different parts of life, right? Like, oh, have all three meals and make sure you're mindful during all of them? Absolutely not. During one meal, I'm standing. I'm standing and handing my children food. Because healing, empowerment, and resilience aren't just ideas, their practices.

And this Mental Health Awareness Month, there's no better time to pour back into yourself. Listen to cultivating her space on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Doug Adleave it for Colin, this is The Herd. I'm going to tell you, and I don't know if you can hear me or not, but it doesn't really matter. one of the things I really enjoy about Kenny the Jet Smith is not just inside the NBA which is far and away the best basketball show on TV it's that that's a guy that really likes ball right

like he coaches AAU teams he works for kids you know he'll if you say like hey I'm I'm doing a clinic in Orange County and he's up in the valley like all right tell me where I'll be there he's all around the country so like he and he's he's got this jet Academy thing, which we're going to talk about. It's a streaming service that you can get monthly and you can see these workouts. But Kenny, the Jet Smith, is more than an NBA champion. He's a dude who, and now a great broadcaster. He loves ball. He joins us now in the herd on Fox Sports

Radio. Kenny, how are you? Man, I'm doing great, brother. How are you? I'm good. So, okay, tell me about the Jet Academy because now you can't work with kids in person. So it's like online streaming with you and some of the greats in both men's and women's basketball, right? Yeah, without question. I was sitting around here, you know, the social distancing, the pandemic, you know, now I'm spiking. And, you know, I have a 12-year-old son, can't go to basketball camps or any camps. My daughter can't go to camps.

I couldn't put on mine, Doug. And I was like, you know, there's got to be a way where their development just doesn't stop if they love the game, you know, even if they want to make the junior high school team. So I was like, I created the first streaming service with. the best WNBA players, Rihanna Stewart, Brittany Griner, Sue Byrd, and with the best NBA players,

All-Stars, Kimball Walker, Trey Young, and Victor DePo, and we're basically, we're your personal trainers for two hours a day. So you're coming to our academy. You come into the academy, two hours a day. You get to work out with them, and you work side by side.

It works on any device, you know, long as you have cell service or Wi-Fi, it works. And I just thought that it was a needed thing. Because you know how Doug, like when we were growing up, we could pop in a Billy Blanks. I'm dating myself tape and put it in and go. Today's kids, they consume information.

It has to be live. That's what they separate our camp in our academy. It's a live. It's not a tape thing. It's live. You can ask questions right there. You can upload your videos. It's a live experience that's the way that our kids are consuming information.

that's awesome stuff um i i started the show with look i i i respect the idea that you could opt out of this but i i i don't feel like the excuses or reasons really hold up like look the bubble if if if guys were so isolating and self-quarantining at home and were concerned about their health that's one thing but the society being back out and open i feel like you're safer in the bubble. And then more than anything, like the sport that has given you everything, look, all these guys have worked incredibly hard

to get there, but I feel like the sport needs them and the industry of the NBA needs them. What are your thoughts on Brad Beale, Avery Bradley? We don't know yet on a couple others in terms of whether or not they opt out on some of these guys

opting out of playing in the bubble. Well, I'm optimistic that, you know, obviously the NBA was the first sport that, that, and, you know, the industry is stopped. Now it looks like we'll be the first to come back, the biggest industry to come back. So I'm optimistic about, you know,

that they're going to have their right precautions, but I'm also cautious. Because the information, I think, is still so unknown. So I can understand the fear of some place. I could understand that. I could say, well,

you know, every day we get new information and from the time when the pandemic first started to where it is now, the information is changing. Then all of a sudden you're like, okay, it's good. And then now you're spiking again in the area, especially in the area that we're supposed to be going.

And if I had, you know, I don't know who lives with their parents, their elderly parents might live with them or they have young kids that are newborns. I could understand their concerns. 23-year-old Kenny Doug, I'd have been like, yo, I'm gone, let's go. I had no responsibilities.

I wasn't married, no kids. I lived by myself in Sacramento. My parents lived in New York. Let's go, who? 30-year-old Kenny, I might be like, just a second, I might pause because I was married, I got kids, I got, you know, my mom and dad moved in the area.

Like, now I have more responsibility. So that, I think, what you're hearing more than anything about from some guys. Yeah, but do you have, have, and here's, this is an honest question, don't you have a responsibility to your job and to your sport? Yeah, you do. And your job has a responsibility to you to make sure all those measures are correct. And I'm like, that, that's, that's, it's like, if you work in, if you work on a construction site and you don't provide the, the hard hat, helmets. Yeah.

Then I'm not going to work. You know what I mean? So you have to provide the environment and make me comfortable, you know, and the problem. The biggest thing is, though, they don't know what the environment is going to look like until they get there. If there was like a mock of what it was going to be, you know what I mean? I think that you wouldn't have any player questioning anything. But because this is unheard of, we've never done it before. I do give them a pass because of that. So have you provided the hard happen? And it's okay to ask that question, you know, and because they don't know.

about certain things about the virus, and they're getting so much misinformation through the Internet and everywhere else, everyone all over the place. You know, Doug, you and I are not, like, looking at the same sites that these guys are looking at. Sure.

No, I got, and look, it's, and in, and respectfully, like, it's for everybody, it's hard, right? Because depending on who you listen to, you could get a very different depiction of what's going on. you know, whether it's with social justice or with, you know, or with COVID-19. Like, it's really confused.

I just want somebody, give it, give it to me straight. Tell me what the real deal is. And that's what, you know, that's what, you know, the thing that I thought, you know, initially was going to come out from, you know, from our government and everyone was like, okay, we're closing down. And when we hit these numbers, we're going to, we'll open back up. But if we don't hit these numbers, we're not opening back up. then in terms of a leadership thought

I would have been like, okay, well, we hit these numbers now. I could go to the restaurant. But no one said it. We're just kind of like, I don't know where you're doing your show from. Yeah. But we're doing our show from not the normal places, you know. So everyone, it's not like the NBA is asking you to go do something normal. And then this is why I side with the players a little bit on this dog.

They're asking them to do it, but then they're going to go, oh, but the NBA office is, are not open or you can't do that. Well, you go, okay, well, you think it's cool for us. Create a bubble for your workers at work. Like, do that. I think that's where the disparity and the confusion comes from because no one else is doing anything normal, except for us. Kenny Smith, joining us here in the herd, Doug Gallybin, for Colin.

Avery Bradley had his best month by far as a Laker in February, right? The Lakers were rolling, and he was a big reason. and why, right? His three point percentage in the month was shot 48% from three, right? He was averaging 11 a game as opposed to previous to that. He was average about eight and a half a game. He was playing a fish and basketball. Now, he's decided to opt out. How big a loss? They add JR, but JR hasn't played in like two years in an NBA game. How big

a loss is it for the Lakers to go into this thing without Avery Bradley? I think, you know, continuity and familiar that's why they brought in JR because they are like, well, at least let's bring in a guy that, you know, a couple of us who know. He's all what I mean? Like, you know, and so we're all familiar with, you know, in terms of a training staff, you know, some of the coaches have coached them already. You know, LeBron knows him. Let's bring it because Avery had made, he made himself very familiar. So I think that it might help if J.R. is in great basketball shape because, you know, what he does is now,

He's a great shooter. He's not the defender that he once was, but he's still a great shooter offensively in his face of the floor, even if he's been off. So him being in great shape, if he kept himself in great shape, that will really help. But Avery Bradley, in terms of continuity,

he was in the rotation, understood what was going on, and was playing great. Okay, so now that we have a pretty good, we don't know about Dwight Howard yet, but we have, my sense is he probably ends up being there, but okay so so give me your thoughts Lakers Clippers are going to be the first game out of the shoot

I don't know how much they show then there's eight games then you got the playoffs the Bucks were a dominant team in the east what's your sense of what it will look like once they get some games going in terms of who do you think the actual favorites are I say if you take the average weight of everybody and see who's in shape I like three months off, Doug, that's like, you know, as a basketball player, if I told you, I'm going to give you three months off to get ready, that's the real, that's the summer. So you think about guys who are freshmen or rookies coming back to college or rookies coming back their second year, how much they change in four months, you know, that now you know the league a little bit, you know what to work on, you have a different confidential bodies can change dramatically in that time.

So I just think that all bets are off on who's the favorite when this thing stopped. Because the transformation of certain guys without playing in front of and also not playing in front of fans where the release of some of the stress and anxiety or some of the less skilled guys, man, this could be a different champion than anything we ever expected. You think really? Okay, so who, okay, take Lakers, Clippers, Bucks. Give me the team that you would be least surprised. It'd still be a surprise, and as you said, it could be anybody. Who's the team that you think, you know what, this is one you got to watch for? You know, you know what I think, Doug, the teams that are going to really do well are the young experienced teams.

Like the Bucks, Celtics, Nuggets, because when you train and playing and the league, when you're young, you train at a high level. So that's why a lot of those young teams start off fast in the season and then they kind of falter. This is like you're just thrown in and you need to be ready fast. Like LeBron and even the guy, you know, Anthony Davis, they don't train the same way to get ready for a season as, you know, Jamal Murray.

Like because they're younger in the league, they're still finding themselves out. So they're doing more. So for me, I think that this could be interesting because of that. You look at his history, they start slow. You can't afford to start slow right now. So I would just throw everything out. I don't think this is like the continuation of the season. This is a new season that will have a champion.

It should be a lot of fun. Coach, you can check them out on TNT as their coverage gets underway end of the month and go to Jet Academycamp.com. That's Jetacademycamp.com. you can work with Campbell Walker, Brittany Griner, Victor Oladipo, Tray Young, and others. Jet, thanks so much for joining us, man. Stay safe and can't wait to see you on TV very, very soon. Appreciate you. Thanks a lot, brother. All right, that's the one and only Kenny the Jet Smith, who is a ball guy.

You know, look, to his point, I just tweeted out, there's a picture of Zion Williamson, who looks like an absolute monster, like baby fat gone, totally trimmed up, ready for this short and season because this is going to be like his second year in the NBA. He only played 19 games in what would have been his first year. I do wonder if he's been working on the jump shot. If he has, then the league

could be in trouble. So, a different perspective. We were never going to get 4th of July baseball. I'll explain why. Next, I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is the herd. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week

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And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so you're just so, y'all know. I mean, at this point, this is the second episode where we've discussed

crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. So, you're finishing that sentence. And yes, I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, guys? This is Clifford Taylor the Fourth. And on my podcast, the Clifford Show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff. Like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game.

This linebacker walks up to me, he goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What? Time out. Quarterback on office blue 42. Hey, ref, my mama want you to wave at her. What? Hey, Miss Parker. Listen to the Clifford show on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcast.

or wherever you get your podcast. Agency, the ability to know that we're the experts in our own body. On the podcast, cultivating her space, Dr. Dom and Terry Lomax create a space where black women can show up fully and be heard. I wholeheartedly think, you know, you hit 30. You shouldn't have to share one with anybody. Mm-hmm.

From navigating friendships and healing to setting boundaries and prioritizing your mental health. These are real honest conversations. We don't all. always get to have out loud. Totally unreasonable with different parts of life, right? Like, oh, have all three meals and make sure you're mindful during all of them? Absolutely not.

During one meal, I'm standing. I'm standing and handing my children food. Because healing, empowerment, and resilience aren't just ideas. Their practices. And this Mental Health Awareness Month, there's no better time to pour back into yourself. Listen to cultivating her space on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. What up?

Welcome in. This is the herd wherever you may be. And however you may be making it as part of your day. Thanks so much for joining us. I'm Doug Gottlie in for Colin Coward. You can also check us out on the YouTube page on the IHeart Radio app. No TV today, radio only. So normally when we're doing the TV studio,

I wear shorts. Now I'm not wearing anything. Just naked Thursdays. A kid because I care. My boy Brandon Whedon is going to join us in 15 minutes. We'll ask him what he thinks about Cam Newton and the Patriots. Will it work? Will Cam even make the team?

What the details of his contract tell us about their level of investment? T.J. O's Manzado will join us next hour. we were never going to have Fourth of July baseball. Look, I know many of you are still dealing with the fact that there's not going to be Fourth July fireworks in many of your towns and cities, which honestly makes complete sense. I mean, look, Fourth of July fireworks, while the finale is pretty cool, you always wonder, like, couldn't we just do the finale and then call it a day? Do we really need the, okay, we're getting ready, one firework, two fireworks.

three, five, like, I just give me the finale. But, you know, with businesses being shut down and municipalities probably lacking a ton of the normal tax income, it ain't the worst thing in the world to save a little cash on the fireworks this year. In addition to the idea of, you know, we don't exactly social distance when we pile our lawn chairs together and start sipping on something that warms the belly before, while the kids run around, and we watch the fireworks go up. So while you're still adjusting to the idea of there not being fireworks on the 4th July,

many, like myself, look, I thought it was crazy that baseball, like, hey, baseball, July is your month. Why aren't you back playing? Well, we have our answer now, and honestly, I feel so much better having heard the realistic answer. Rob Manfred is the commissioner of baseball. Now, on one other media outlet, one other radio platform, there is a fairly sizable show that a friend of mine, Tray Wingo, is on.

Wingo used part of this cut and made it seem like the owners did not negotiate in good faith. But the truth is that what you're about to hear from Rob Manfred is reality. And it's the biggest problem we have with our reaction to many of the stories in news and in sports. I'll explain why in a second. This is Rob Manfred yesterday on the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. The reality is we weren't going to play more than. than 60 games, no matter how the negotiation with the players went or any other factor. 60 games is the outside of the end goal, given the realities of the virus.

It's the calendar. I mean, we're playing 60 games in 63 days right now. I don't see given how the reality of the health situation over the past few weeks, how we were going to get going any faster than the calendar we're on right now, no matter what the state of those negotiations were. Now, look, there's a longer portion of that cut, which I don't want to bore you with, which he just said, like, look,

we couldn't get into facilities before July 1st. Do you know who else couldn't get in their facilities before July 1st? The NBA. You know who else? The NFL. Like, we're not told everything. Okay. Because for a lot of reasons.

One, we don't actually, they didn't want to increase fear and panic, but it's like, I just saw a quote from the governor of South Carolina saying they're not going to have fans at high school football games and probably don't have them at college football games, right? Governors, presidents, commissioners, business owners, they're told more than the public is. And what they were told was, you can't really, we can't get into the facilities until the 1st of July at earliest. And seeing as you can't get in the facilities the 1st July, you can't start baseball right when you can't. get in, you need a ramp up time. A little less than a month. Additionally, baseball makes most of

its money in the postseason. And as Rob Manfred went on to say, they're told by all medical experts that the strongest risk for a second wave is the deeper you get into the fall into the winter months. So they want to be done by September 22nd. You can't be in the facility until July 1st. You want to be done by the end of September. All the other stuff you heard was nonsense because they were negotiating terms when they knew they were going to settle on 60 games. Now, if you listen to other radio shows, if you read comments in the media and social media, they'll act like Rob Menfred opened himself up for a grievance from the Players

Association. The owners didn't negotiate in good faith. Okay, so Rob Manfred's background is as a labor lawyer. He's good enough at what he did to get the job as commissioner of Major League Baseball. So do you really think he would go Rudy Giuliani and say something he shouldn't have said on national TV and on radio? Of course not. Of course not. He's just telling you the reality of it.

people struggle to understand the reality of rules and things that they don't actually know. It honestly isn't all that different from some of what has happened in the desire for police reform. Why aren't these officers fired right now? Well, because there's actually a process, a review process that you have to go through. There's an investigation that has to take place. there's a union that protects all their officers, even when they have been alleged to commit a crime, then there has to be an investigation.

Then there has to be charges. Then there has to be all the different things, the discovery, the preach out hearing, et cetera, et cetera, before we ever get to it. Like, we're still a long way off from all of these questions, but that's just reality. That's the way in which the system works. I didn't say it's perfect.

That's the same thing we're dealing with here with Major League Baseball. I was screaming at Mountain Tops. Major League Baseball. Fourth July, Americana, this is your chance. And Rob Manfred's like, look, I'm just telling you we couldn't get in until July 1st. We could have wanted to.

We could have pushed for it. We could have come to an agreement. We couldn't get into our facilities for July 1st. That's what we were told by all the powers that be. And if you can't get until July 1st, you can't play baseball to the end of July. And if you want to be done before October 1st, then you only have really a window for 60 games. That's not negotiating in bad faith. This is, I'm sure, like, we can argue, you can throw out there whatever you want in public

or put it down in print and act like you're mad, but this is the legit number of games that we want, that we can do. And now we're going to do it in such a confined, such a compressed amount. of time that, you know, you get one of these hurricanes which come up and break apart in the fall. You know, the hurricanes that become a tropical storm and they wreck havoc. Like you run the risk of having rainouts and having some teams play 52, 53 games. Rob Manfred is being skewered for doing the one thing we desire politicians and leaders to be, which is honest,

forthcoming. Give me a true perspective. Like, you know, we do this in sports. Well, Cam Newton. How can Cam Newton not get more money? Well, like the reality of it is, he didn't have any leverage.

There were no other offers out there. And oh, yeah, by the way, even if the Patriots want to pay him more money, couldn't because they're in capel because they got a dead cap number of $13.5 million for Tom Brady. That's just the reality of it. People struggle with reality. They want to create some utopian society where you can just start fresh, start new, pay everybody, whatever, play as many games, whatever. And you're starting at infinity, and that's where you begin the negotiating process. That's not how the world works. It's not how.

it works. And here's Rob Manfred, the commissioner of Major League Baseball, whose background is as a labor lawyer telling you, look, man, is just the calendar. We'll get in, start at the end of July, we'll end at the end of September. You tell me how we can play more games. It's not possible. So let's start with what's possible and then try and make the best of a bad situation. I will tell you, as somebody who was critical of baseball for not getting their stuff together and getting on the field, I was wrong. I did not know that this was the case. I did not know they could not get into the facilities. I operated under the belief that because the spring training facilities were in Arizona and in Florida,

and those states were more open than other states, we could get it going again. I was wrong. I didn't know. All right. Coming up next, former NFL starting quarterback. Brandon Whedon joins the show. How hard will the adjustment be for Cam Newton to become a starting quarterback with the Patriots? I'll ask him next in the herd.

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Breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athlete themselves. Their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real. From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context and ask the questions everybody wants answered. Sports Slice brings you closer to the action with stories told by the people who live them.

Listen to Sports Slice on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Sliced Life 12 and the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking.

What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Yeah. Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack.

I'm down to talk about crack on day, but yeah, yeah, literally. But just so you all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right. now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. And, yes, I don't think there's a more important year for black people.

Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, guys? This is Cleaver Taylor the Fourth. And on my podcast, The Cliverts Show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff. Like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game.

This linebacker walks up to me, he goes, Hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What? Quarterback on office blue 42. Hey, rec, my mama want you to wave at her. What? Where's she at? Hey, Ms. Parker.

Listen to the Clippers show on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Agency, the ability to know that we're the experts in our own. body. On the podcast cultivating her space, Dr. Dom and Terry Lomax create a space where black women can show up fully and be heard. I wholeheartedly think, you know, you hit 30. You shouldn't have to share one with anybody. Mm-hmm. From navigating friendships and healing to setting boundaries and prioritizing your mental health. These are real honest conversations. We don't always get to have out loud. Totally unreasonable with different parts of life, right? Like, oh, have all three meals and make sure you're mindful during all of them?

Absolutely not. During one meal, I'm standing. I'm standing and handing my children food. Because healing, empowerment, and resilience aren't just ideas. Their practices. And this Mental Health Awareness Month, there's no better time to pour back into yourself. Listen to cultivating her space on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Doug I'll leave in for calling this.

is the herd. So, um, I saw this earlier today and I thought it was, uh, pertinent for, uh, Brandon Whedon, who will join us in a second.

Um, in the one year deal for Patriots quarterback, Cam Newton, this from Ian Rappaport, his Twitter handle. The team guaranteed him just $550,000 on a, uh, 1.05 total base,

the definition of low risk. The reward comes in a $700,000 per game. roster bonuses and another 5.75 million in incentives. The max is 7.5 million in all. In other words, there's no guarantee that he's on the roster, whereas you have people anointing him as the starting quarterback. And I saw Colin, did Collin have him rank the fourth best quarterback in the EFC yesterday? That would he had?

I believe Colin had his best for last. He had a list of the top quarterbacks in the AFC. He had Mahomes one. He had Lamar two ahead of Deshawn Watson at three. And then he, I believe, had Cam Newton, who hasn't been healthy two of the past three years. Hasn't been particularly good since 2015. And is signed to a $550,000 guaranteed with the Patriots. Look, I understand it's Cam betting on himself, and it makes me think more of Cam,

but there's a reason this is called low risk for the Patriots. Brandon Whedon joins us, former starting quarterback, Browns, Cowboys, Texans. When you see the number, and I will grant you that the Patriots did not have a lot of cap room, although you could have restructured some deals if you want to do so, how important are the guarantees in terms of how a team uses you or their expectations of you in your mind? I mean, this situation is a little unique. I think it's a guy that's a former MVP, and so, you know, that's a pretty small number for a guy of his caliber. But on the flip side, kind of like you just said, he's got the roster bonuses, you know, he's got the game day bonuses and all that stuff.

So, you know, again, he hasn't played in a couple years. And I think that's obviously what's hurt more than anything is just this health. But, you know, the guaranteed money, obviously, everybody talks about in the NFL. You know, it's what you kind of, it's the true numbers and what you kind of go by. And, you know, this is a small number. It's a, you know, in my opinion, the Patriots kind of got to steal. I think he's a very high-sealing guy. If he could say healthy, he's in the system, I think will make, you know, give him a chance to be successful.

So, yeah, he's better on himself. I just think everybody keeps talking about the money. But, again, if he goes out, all the money. balls out and wins that division, makes a run at it, you know, next year. Now you're talking, you know, $25, $30 million. So, yeah, it's a, it's a small deal, but, you know, the injuries his last couple of years have just killed him. Yeah, okay, so, I mean, like, look, you're talking about, like, best case, there, he balls out, he wins the division. Like, okay, they held on the win division last year with Brady had quarterback.

They have substantial number of losses like Kyle Vanoy and others on the defensive side of the football. It's not like they've added offensive weaponry. granted, you know, I like their running backs. I think their offensive line will be better. I think Muhammad Sunu will be better that he's healthy. You talk about the system. What is the system? Like how do you?

They've been really pragmatic, but they've also always had a, with the exception of when Jacoby Brissette, that one game started. You know, for the most part, they've been, you know, an accuracy passing game, a lot of underneath stuff. Whereas Cam, you know, he was a dual. threat guy, and then late in his career, he played for Norv, where they tried to make him more to a dropback passer, showing that they didn't want him to run as much. Like, what is the system that you think the Patriots will run?

That's what you kind of took the words out of my mouth. You know, he played for Norv, and I played in that system for, I don't know, four or five years. That digit system is very quarterback friendly, not a whole lot of verbiage. Again, drawback passing, progression-type offense, whereas New England, it's a very, you know, If they stick with what they've done in the past with Brady, it's a completely different system. The formations are foreign.

I mean, he's on our, you know, it's going to be a big change there. Just plays, the protections. There's a lot more on the quarterback's plate if they decide to stick with what they've done these past few years or these past, what, 20 years of Brady. So, you know, I don't know. I would have to assume, you know, given what they've got. I mean, you've got Edelman, which is a guy that, you know, not really going to stretch it too much vertically,

but he can kind of work to see him. and the underneath stuff, and then you got some new on the outside, big target guy that can stretch it, stretch it vertically. But I don't know, you know, Josh McNeil's, in my opinion, is one of the best offensive minds in ball. And I think he'll see what skill set can have. Obviously, he's a big guy. Can stand in there, take some hits, he can throw it. You know, I just, it's, New England fans can't expect it to look like it's looked the last 20 years with Brady at the helm. It's just not going to look like that.

But I think Josh Menales can kind of tailor, just like you did with your couple of great. reset on those games or, you know, these quarterbacks have had to come in to play a little bit. I think it's going to look different. It's definitely going to look different. I just don't, I don't know what their plan will be because what they're running, you know, what they ran these last, how many years is nothing like that digit system he ran when he's in Carolina. Yeah, yeah. I mean, like, look, he did, McDaniels did have Tim Tebow, right? He didn't ask Tim Tebow to be a progression guy. So we'll, we'll see what system, but first, how healthy is cam and and you know what's his throwing motion look like that was a big question that several

teams had because and they new england's basically paying to see him but you might not see him as much okay so what about not there's two fewer preseason games there's no oTAs we don't know about training camp how much more difficult does that make it for him a lot again if they stick with this offense it's going to be a lot more challenging because it's a I remember when I went from Dallas to Houston. I went from that digit system to the system that they ran in New England with O'Brien. And it's, I mean,

it took me a full season to kind of really get my arms wrapped around the entire system. I mean, it's very complex. So it's going to be a challenge. I mean, they're going to have to put it out in extra time because it's, there's just a lot. I mean, it's just, you know, I could give you a million examples,

but it's just, it's a lot on the quarterback. So I think he's, I think this is going to, going to hurt him. I really do. I mean, Cam's played a lot of ball. So the nice thing is you can go out and put a game plan together that is going to suit him and stuff that he likes. That's not a big deal. But, you know, if they want to, you know, week in and week out, game playing and do the things they like to do from a week to week basis because they're a game playing offense. That system is, it changes every week.

They'll have a lot of the same plays in there. So it's going to be a challenge. We're a challenge for everybody. This is weird times. You know, I don't know what they've done these last few weeks, but, I mean, it's already July. lie, you know, so at the end of the month, they're supposed to report. So we'll see. I think it's going to be a challenge for them.

Okay, Antonio Brown's running routes with Russell Wilson. There were rumors about Tampa. Tampa's like, look, we're not interested. He got himself run from Oakland, Pittsburgh. New England had to because there's just so much off-the-field noise. Does Seattle make sense to you for Antonio Brown? Absolutely. But, again, kind of within the same breath that we're talking about Cam.

I mean, I think you got to do it with a small price tag. You got to make him earn it. You know, make him show he's going to do the right things, especially outfield. We all know what he can do on the field. I mean, guys, he's a top tier receiver, top five, six receiver in the league. But I would make him prove it, make him earn it, you know, give him a low, you know, minimum salary with some incentives, like they did with Cam. And then if he goes out, keeps his nose clean, stays out of trouble, you know, then you decide what you want to do. But, I mean, I think that's a, in my opinion, a higher reward, you know, with a possible.

be a lower risk than even Cam Newton. I just think Antonio Brown could make that, you know, that offense in Seattle go from great to really, really, really good. I mean, they're just, you know, they've got a lot of weapons already. I think he would be kind of icing on the cake to make them, you know, be one of the best offenses in that division. You've, Brandon Whedon, our guest here in the herd on Foxport Trader, Doug Gottliebilling in for Colin Cowherd.

You've been to Sean's backup. You replaced Deshaun when he got hurt. So you know, you know him, you know that system. extremely well. I think those of us who are outsiders, we marvel at Deshawn Watson. We're like, man, he's a he feels like a study, but we don't see him

to the level that you have. You've studied with him. You've been in that quarterback room with him. Give me the, if somebody says Deshawn Watson go, what would you say? We've got some of the best instincts I've ever been around. You know, the nice thing about

coaching Deshawn is you don't have to, you don't have to give him all the answers to the test. Just go out and explain the play. And he just, his instincts kind of take over, you know, and you don't have to draw stuff in the dirt for him. He's going to make, he's going to make it right for you. He just, he's, he's, he's so good

with the football in his hand. He's, he's got a quick release. I mean, he's got it. And I told you that a hundred times. He's just not in the same breath to be a tough guy to coach because you don't want to make him, you know, a robot, which I think a lot of coaches want to do these days. The thing with him, you just got to go,

let them play, man. Here's the plays. What do you like? We're going to call them. These plays on third down. We're going to call these plays on second long. These are our first, first down plays. What do you think?

Boom, let's go play ball. And he's going to make it right. I mean, he's just got some unbelievable instincts. Yeah, he takes a little few sacks, but I would argue that he makes more good plays out of, you know, some of those extended plays than he does take those sacks. So I think he's just a rare talent. I mean, he's just a stud. Great guy.

but yeah he's he's an elite one he's got a chance he's about to be a rich one but he's an elite quarterback in this league okay um compare and contrast romo you were romo's backup that's when he got he got hurt that was collarbone right there was uh gruncowski's brother missed the block um what was what was romo really like kind of the same obviously not he's an athlete but he's not as mobile as de shan so you can't do all the things but as far as instincts incredible. I mean, his pocket awareness was the best I've ever seen. But, you know, Tony's

going to beat you with his mind. He's going to try to play that cat and mouse game. He loved that chess first checkers kind of match up between him and that defensive coordinator. He wanted to always try to get him the right play. He wanted to audible. He wanted to run the plays he liked. He loved calling plays on the line of scrimmage himself. Very, very, very, very brilliant guys.

We all see now and now he's broadcasting. But just doesn't have the strongest arm in the world, obviously not the biggest guy in the world, but, man, the game's on the line, you know, put the ball on ninth's hand, and you've got to feel good about it because, I mean, he's just, he's got it, and he's kind of like DeShan. They're very similar as far as their instincts and stuff go, but Tony's going to beat you. He's going to beat you with his mind because he's a brilliant, brilliant guy.

Okay, I always wanted to ask you this. I think we talked about this a little bit off air. I might have talked about it on there. Brandon Whed and our guest in the herd. I've tried to explain to people that one of the things I think that hurts a Cam Newton. I heard of Kaepernick back in the day. It's one of the reasons that James, you know, trying to find a home to James, he had to take pennies on the dollar in order to kind of prove himself and learn on a breeze is

when you're a starter and those guys have been stars, the job of a backup quarterback is very, very, very different. Now, Cam, I don't think he's actually fighting to be a bar. backup. He wants to be a starter. That's why he did New England. James, it's different. He knows he's going to be a backup. But for a guy who was the starter in Cleveland, you went to be a backup and then played in Dallas. Same thing happened in Houston. How different is that job and how different is the mentality of a quarterback do you have to be when you know you're a backup? It's completely different. I think my advice, especially James, you know, be behind Drew Brees,

don't change what you've done in the last five or six years. You'll go out and prepare just like you did because, one, you never know you're in there. But two, his goal is to be a starter again. You know, he's still a young guy. He's still got a lot of years left in that league. So, you know, don't change the way you prepare. I think sometimes there's a backup. I mean, you've got the scout team stuff.

You've got to go out and do walkthroughs with this stuff. You're not really getting any reps. Everything's mental. You know, but prepare exact like you did. And, you know, what I did after practice is I would grab some of those young receivers. I knew the game playing, maybe some different throws. off maybe a play action. I would do those throws and those plays that maybe

I hadn't really thrown since the training camp or something like that. I would throw those, you know, during the week after practice to the young practice squad receiver, stuff like that to kind of get your reps physically. But mentally, I mean, you just got to dial in on those meetings like he always does and just treat it like you're going to be the starter. I think that's the way to do it. If you don't,

you're kind of going to do it to service to yourself because if you get thrown in the fire, you know, you're on Sunday night football and, you know, games on the line is third quarter. And, you know, you want to be prepared, obviously. So, It's not easy. And I'd be lying if I said it was. It's not easy to get all those mental reps and not get them any physical reps.

But, you know, that's the job. The fan James of paying those guys a lot of money. It's just a totally different mindset. It's kind of hard to explain. It's just, you know, you prepare all week. Is it fair? Brandon, is it fair to say like, okay, you have to, every athlete, every competitor wants to be out there.

But the approach you have to be is you have to be ready, but you also, your job is really to get the other. guy ready, right? The other, you, you almost have to be like his personal assistant and get him ready and all the while preparing yourself if, in fact, you're called upon. Fair? Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. I know there's times like Matt Castle, you know, did this all the time. He would, he would, you know, take notes and maybe break down some third down stuff for the starter. You know, you got to go, maybe Drew will want him to, you know, get all the, you know, third and four to six blitzes from the last three weeks or, you know, whatever, you know,

whatever the starting quarterback needs, you kind of got to help them do that, obviously. So you're going to help get them ready. You know, even little things is, you know, when you're doing snap count and stuff like that, you want to sound exactly like the starter. I mean, there's a lot of little nuances. You've got to kind of emulate to kind of help the guys around you.

But, yeah, I mean, your job, everybody's job is essentially get the quarterback ready and get those guys ready to play on Sunday. And, you know, as a backup, you know, kind of got to keep your mouth. You got to stay in your lane. But at the same time, yeah, I mean, the goals to win games, obviously. And, you know, I think James is in a perfect spot.

You know, we keep talking about him. I think he's in a perfect spot to learn a lot. I think he's got a chance to learn from one of the best. And, you know, he'd be crazy not to be a fly on the wall and be a sponge. And listen to everything Drew has to say because, as we all know, he's about as good as it gets in the league. So it's a unique position. Back of quarterback is a very, very hard position. We're all competitive.

We all want to play. And you never know when your chance is. You've got to be ready at all times. Great stuff. Brandon, I hope you guys have a great fourth with your family. Saw that cool shot of your son playing Little League baseball. Stay safe and healthy and we appreciate to join us in the herd. All right, buddy.

Talk to you, sir. All right. It's Brandon, former star quarterback at our All-Modder, Oklahoma State. And, of course, first-round draft pick of the Browns, started for them, the Texans and the Dallas Cowboys. Imagine picking up your smartphone, open an app, and controlling your grill remotely from anywhere. Do what I did. Get the best.

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are facing some penalties for recruiting violations from the NCAA. Jimbo Fisher and the program are being given a six-month show-cause order due to some recruiting violations by a former assistant coach and Jimbo Fisher that's just coming out in the last hour or so. So Jimbo Fisher leaves Florida State, and it hasn't necessarily been smooth sailing so far for him. A six-month show cause, now, granted, a show-cause is next to the death penalty. harshest penalty you can hand down to a coach, right?

It means you can't, it's, and usually guys don't survive a show cause. I don't know, again, because I'm sitting here and I was talking with Brandon, I don't know the details of it. I can only tell you that I actually, I like Texas A&M. It's a weird place you do when you're there, you feel like, is this a cult or is this a college? I can't tell. But there's such incredible passion for them to be good.

And they have hired the best of the best of the best, with Dennis Franchione, you know, they went and he tried to have it going. You know, they had the swag copter going with the previous coaching staff. And they gave Jimbo $75 million over 10 years. But it always ends up the same, right? A&M always ends up at somewhere like 8 and 5 kind of territory. It's just, I don't know, they're not Texas. And there's a race who can be back first.

A&M or Texas, I still bet on Texas. So to provide some context that you're asking about, this is part of the NCAA's press release. Texas A&M violated NCAA recruiting and accountable athletically related to activity rules between January 2018 and February 2019. Fisher violated NCAA head coach responsibility rules stemming from an incident in which Fisher and an assistant had impermissible recruiting contact with the player at his high school. the contact violated NCAA rules because it happened before the player had completed his junior year. All right.

So it's illegal, illegal bump or whatever. Right. And they... This Sabin, by the way, is famous for this stuff. Yeah. And they went on to say, Fisher, quote, failed to promote an atmosphere of compliance because of his personal involvement in the recruiting violation, failed to monitor a staff when he did not ensure the program was staying within the allowable numbers. Here's what they do. Okay.

Here's what coaches do. Okay. this is and this is like cheating in college football. I know people think that cheating is bags and bags of money. Does that happen? I'm sure it happens. Does it happen a lot? No, it doesn't.

No, Doug, everyone's getting paid. Everybody's cheats. Just nobody's getting caught. We need to pay the players, but then again, apparently the players are already getting paid. Yeah, it doesn't. You ever notice those two arguments don't actually match up? That's super weird.

So here's the way it works. These coaches set up shop. and they go and watch guys work out, right? And there are, some guys are too young for you to meet with. Some guys, sometimes it's during a period in which you can't, you can only evaluate them. You can't actually talk to them other than the bump. A bump is like, I mean, what's up?

Oh, hey, coach, Coach Fisher, nice to meet you, right? So I have been told that there are several coaches that they just, they talk to the high school coach and they don't care about what used to be considered a secondary rules violation. And I'm on campus. I get a chance to meet a kid. I'm going to meet with a kid and the NCAA be damned. That's what has happened.

Sabin is famous for this. I don't know if Sabin still does it since they've made the rules more stringent and the penalty is tougher. But that's what Jimbo Fisher is accused and apparently caught to it. We'll stick with college football here, Doug. There's been some discussion about potentially moving the college football season into the spring due to concerns of the coronavirus and a potential second wave. the Penn State Athletic Director, Sandy Barbar, said, that's not happening. Quote, one of the biggest challenges of a spring season,

and it's probably the biggest in my mind, is the proximity to the next season. Proximity to next season, and it's not just for their players, which that is some of it, right? Like if you're going to play, even if you play six or seven games in the spring, then you're going to play 13 games in the fall.

Like, the kids' bodies can't hold up. It just does. But the bigger thing is, All of the star players will not play. Anyone who believes their first, second or third round draft pick will not play, I believe, in college football. Because the teams will tell you, like, we're going to draft a guy who's going to play five, six games in the spring. And then he's expected to play 16 games plus training camp, plus a preseason game in the fall. potentially playoffs?

Yeah. I mean, Trevor Lawrence ain't playing. Justin Fields. Justin Fields ain't playing. So that's why they're fighting to have something done in the fall sooner rather than, Let's to mention something you and I have talked about before on our show is what it would do to college basketball. Yes, I mean, it would greatly overshadow college basketball and March Badness. I don't know.

Do they care some? Yes, they care. But football makes so much more money. You have to have football. Like there's a lot to it. The economics of college sports are in grave danger. Let me repeat. The economics of college sports are in.

grave danger. If you eliminate just the non-conference games, the sisters of the poor games, while we only think of it from a competitive standpoint, well, Big Ten plays, SEC plays SEC, it's fine. All of those other

conferences that are non-BCS or whatever, Power 5, that's how they fund their entire athletic department is with those $750 to million-dollar checks to play guarantee games. Those go away. You probably don't have

have Mac football or maybe Mac basketball and you definitely don't have Olympic sports at that level. Doug, the internet is on fire right now. A picture of Zion Williamson and a cutoff t-shirt looking absolutely ripped. This is the first picture we've really seen of Zion since quarantine and everyone has wondered what his body looked like. He looks like he's in great shape. Yep. He's a professional athlete. Oh. At 19 years old, shocker that he's in great shape. Look, people are going to have to realize these guys have been working at most of them have been working out the whole time, or at least the last month and a half or so. My question was Zion is body and then jump shot.

The body looks great. We'll see how it stands up to the rigors of the training camp and the eight games. And then if he can shoot, now he becomes an unbelievably dynamic weapon. The one thing about, you know, playing in the bubble is there will be better scouting than there has ever been the NBA because you don't have to have advanced scouts. You can just go watch the game yourself. And that's right. music with the news. Well, that's the news.

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Oh, who could I play for? Let me find that quarterback, text that quarterback, go catch passes from that quarterback, right? Like, it was Lamar Jackson, you know, Tom Brady, tech tweeting out to Tom Brady, Tampa doesn't want him. The Baltimore thing doesn't make sense. just like look here's the realistic view of Baltimore they're going to because they have Lamar

they're always going to run it more than anybody else right why wouldn't you it's 11 11 football it's hard to stop at this point nobody stopped him and Lamar Jackson is remarkably elusive I mean he's remarkably elusive

with that style comes a downside there's just a lack of volume of catches And while that may not matter if you have a long-term deal with big money, like, I don't care if I catch two balls or 10 balls as long as we win because Baltimore is going to win. And I would expect, like, you keep getting to the playoffs, barring some sort of injuries, got to improve visibility to throw outside the numbers, but they win a lot of games. But when you're Antonio Brown and you're going to sign some sort of minimum contract, you can't go to a place in which you're going to get targeted four times a game. That's what happens in, that's what it would happen in Baltimore.

Baltimore makes no sense. Tampa doesn't want him. Oakland, no, that's over, right? Pittsburgh over. Patriots over. And then, of course, anybody related to the Patriots, anyway, you know, he's not, like, Detroit's not taking him, Tennessee's not taking him, Houston's not taking him, right?

All those guys, because they call and what happens when you're going to sign a guys, you call his last place, you call people that know him, and they're like, look, he works. Harry's a good player, but man, literally every day he was in New England, there was another story about something he had done off the football field. And we just couldn't keep him around anymore. The place that that's different is Seattle. Seattle is different, not just as a franchise, but as a city. You guys ever been to Seattle?

God, I love Seattle. I mean, like, look, they did just have, what was the area downtown in, called Chaz? I was called Chaz. like that's like Seattle is different now like Seattle's been doing they've been doing this progressive thing for a while that's a different place

you get off the plane in Seattle and you're like well I this kind of oh it's beautiful you got brown rain here in the distance you got all that water man I could live here this is the air is clean there's there what are these are those are called trees those there's trees here those are cool

But you feel disconnected from the rest of the United States. Some of that is good. Some of that is just reality. So there's a different way, different feel. And that's how the Seahawks organization is. Like they're just kind of a, they don't care taking on big personalities like a Michael Bennett. Richard Sherman flourished there for a long time. And Earl Thomas flourished there for a long time.

and like they're okay taking color. I mean, Marshawn Lynch, right? Like he could be the mayor of that place. Seattle's got a different sort of sensibilities and as a franchise and a city. The problem is Antonio Brown. You got violence against women and some of the things that he put on DMs. I would suspect that whether there's one thing or just a lot of things, there's probably some form of suspension whenever he gets signed by a team waiting for him.

but Seattle has handled big personalities before. They are as a city and more as an organization. Very, very different. They can zag when everybody else digs. And they need a star wide receiver. And they need a star wide receiver. So to me, this all makes sense. Right?

Like, I could go through other teams in the NFL and say, yeah, they could use him. but does it make sense? Have they handled those? The Rams have handled that sort of personality before, but not everyone's all in on Jared Gough. And I don't know how the distractions of L.A. work with Antonio Brown. Seattle does feel like it works,

maybe more so than any other franchise. And they clearly need a star wide receiver. And he seems to be at least, whether it's real or whether it's creation, in on Russell Wilson, and Russell Wilson allowed him to work out, must be in on Antonio Brown. Speaking of quarterbacks, receivers, winning, how would you define fun? Tom Brady and Rob Grankowski think fun has returned to football now that they're in Tampa, but will it? What is fun? We discuss next. I'm Doug Gottlie. This is The Herd.

Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd. Weekdays and New Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. What up? Welcome in. This is the herd, wherever you may be, and however you may be making as part of your day. Thanks so much for joining us. I'm Doug Gottlie, filling in for Colin. You know, I'm always fascinated by what happens, you know, after a strong disciplinarian leaves a franchise. I'll give you the, my dad was, my late father was a long-time basketball coach. High school coach, became college system, became college head coach, became assistant coach,

and then you coached minor league basketball and then coached A.U basketball. And one of his working kind of theories, if you will, believes was that when there was a strong personality, strong personality that ran a program, you'd get one year of kind of carryover, one year of carryover, before there was kind of an adjustment. And the easiest reference to that, I got two of them for you, was when Bill Parcells left the Dallas Cowboys and Wade Phillips took over, or you go back to the Oakland Raiders the last time John Gruden was there, right? Like John Gruden was, though he was young and he was a big personality,

he was also a strong influence on the discipline of that program. In 2001, he was traded, or 2002, excuse me, he was traded to the Tampa Buccaneers. and in 2003 in the Super Bowl, which is the 2002 season, he met the Raiders in the Super Bowl. But what he left behind, like Bill Callahan, was an assistant coach who was elevated, and they had that one-year carryover. They won 11 games the next year, the bottom fell out, right?

Parcells with the Cowboys. They didn't actually win a playoff game, but he had dramatically turned around that franchise. And there was about a year and a half before the bottom fell out there. I bring that up because I was watching, there's this, there's a piece on Tom House, which is really, really interesting. It's, I think Sports Illustrate has it. No, it's GQ.

GQ has it. So it's an interview with Tom House, but it's not really interview. It's just he's talking about not just Brady, but he works with Drew Breeze. Drew Breese, the only guy he's working with one-on-one. but there's a quote from it that I want to play for you. Actually, I'll just tell you what he said. The first thing Tom Brady texted him after Rob Grankowski signed with the Tampa Buccaneers was

football is fun again. Now, some of this, and we can read into this a million different things. Is it fun because Gronks back? Probably like Gronks seems like a good time. They go back a long ways. Gronks never taking himself for anything all that seriously. And I also think that the idea that they're out of New England, out of New England,

seems like it's more fun. Now, it's not just less fun because of Belichick. It's probably also less fun in New England because the expectations were so high. They had won every year, and the expectations are every year to compete. Whereas, do you think they want to win a Super Bowl in Tampa? Of course they do. We wouldn't want to win a Super Bowl.

But like, what's the realistic amount of expectations for the Tampa Buccaneers? Like, go back and look through the Tampa Buccaneers franchise records and franchise index. Since they won a Super Bowl, they have been in the playoffs twice. Twice. They have not won in both wild card games. They've lost both of them. They've had double-digit wins. And again, they won a Super Bowl in 2002.

So in the 18 years since, they've had 10 wins or more twice. They've had nine wins three times. So the expectations in comparison to New England are far lower. That makes it more fun. Hey man, we're on house money. We're still playing. You know, Granco is retired before. Now he's got the full salary.

He's playing for Tampa. Brady should be retired. He's still playing. We're playing with house money. And you're playing for a guy who, Rural schmules. Let's just go out and have fun and we're drinking at five. Right? More fun.

But I don't know if you guys know this, but so I went to Oklahoma State. Two days, on Monday, there was a fabulous documentary called Eddie. It was about my head coach, my now, my late head coach, Eddie Sutton, who recently got elected to the Basketball Hall of Fame. And it's his life story. Also, last night, there was another one. like weirdest thing ever. There was another one was finding big country.

Of course, Bryant Reeves, arguably his most famous player he ever coached at Oklahoma State. But in the Eddie Sutton documentary called Eddie, Rex Chapman

talked about one playing for him, you know, his freshman year, my coach had a drinking problem. He went to Betty Ford. But in the second year, he was clean and sober, and Rex Chapman's like,

look, some days I hated it, but overall I loved it because, it turns out, I needed to be coached. I needed to be coached. It is not unlike, it's not unlike parenting. Like, look, there's, obviously, you don't want to be an abusive parent, but you have to make your kids go to bed. You have to establish self-discipline. There's a, there's a study that shows the percentage of successful people. make their bed every day. I hate making my bed. I don't. But my parents always made me make my bed. That was part of our deal. We had room inspection. Amen. Make sure your room's picked up.

Make sure your bed's made. Look decent. Brush your teeth. comb your hair. There's a certain amount of self-discipline that needs that has to be coached. That has to be parented. Kids don't just do that on their own. They just don't. Some do, but it's very rare. And I think what Brady's walking the fine line of is, is it fun? Sure. You know what else is really fun? Like, I almost feel like Tom Brady has forgotten. Forgotten that you guys, do you remember what happened before Deflategate?

Anybody? Okay, so Deflategate was in the playoffs. And it was in the playoffs. the week against the Indianapolis Colts. Right? Against the Indianapolis Colts. And what's amazing about it is, and like what we've all kind of forgotten about it,

is the week before they played the Indianapolis Colts, they played the Baltimore Ravens. And in that game against the Baltimore Ravens, Tom Brady was 34 for 51, 401, 48-yard. four touchdowns, one interception. But the bigger story in the 35 to 31 win was that they used some trickeration, they used some tackle eligible formations that screwed up the Ravens. You guys remember any of this?

And afterwards they went to Tom Brady because the Ravens were complaining about it. And he said, and I quote, maybe they should read the rulebook. the true story of Deflakegate or the maybe urban legend of Deflake Gate is that Chuck Pagano was the head coach of the Colts that year. Chuck Pagano had come to the Colts from the Baltimore Ravens. He was their defensive coordinator. So when Brady says, hey man, should have read the rule book, right? And they had this marvelous win over an outstanding Baltimore Ravens team. The Ravens call up Chuck Pagano and said, you guys got to.

Brady next week? Yeah. You know what you guys you do? Check the footballs. Check the footballs. Footballs did not have air in them. And that's how this all came to be. How is the NFL alerted to it? Check the footballs.

Better read the rule book. Have you ever heard of the PSI of a football before or since? No. Nobody cared. Ever. By the way, to the NFL. Weren't they going to do a study for the entire season as the inflation and deflation rate of a football?

Of course they were. What happened to that? I don't know. I don't know. But the entire deflategate thing came down to the Patriots outsmarting the Ravens, understanding the rulebook, as they do, and using it to their advantage. You know what that sounds like to me?

That sounds like fun. preparing for something somebody else doesn't know is coming, executing it and winning a big game against the rival, really tough team that kind of has your number because of it, that sounds like a hell of a good time. A lot better time than throwing a football in a park in Tampa and having to put out social media saying, the only thing we had to fear is fear itself.

I understand it feels more fun. It may be more fun. You may have a great time. Bruce Ariens, his quarterbacks take a lot of contact. He likes to throw the ball downfield. You're inheriting a franchise that has two double-digit win seasons in the last 18 years and has not won a playoff game since they won the Super Bowl. You know it's really, really fun being the last team playing.

That's what's fun. All right, T.J. Hushmanzada joins the show upcoming next. Will it work with Tom Brady in Tampa? And will Cam Newton win the job in New England? Find out next in the Hurt. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeartRadio app. I'm going to give a quick shout out here. Start your day with MDrive Start, the world's best morning shake.

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His name is Charlie Gillum. In the back of his house, he had a hitting cage, and he would throw live BP to him. Throw a little Uncle Charlie and a fastball, and it was awesome. And considering what others have charged for hitting lessons, it was a discount. But Charlie, if you're listening or if a friend of yours is listening, feel free to text Charlie. Happy birthday, Coach G.

He also made kids tuck in their shirt. The only thing they're allowed to say is, yes, coach, no coach. It's great. Good lessons. Good man. Happy birthday, Coach G. Another guy who is an outstanding coach, he's coached high school football. He works with the elite wide receivers of the professional collegiate and high school level.

He's, of course, a former pro bowler in his own right. He's T.J. Hooshmanzada, he joins us here in the herd. TJ, how are you? Doug, I'm good. I feel like I should tell Coach G. Happy birthday. So happy birthday, coach. Yeah, he's a good.

He's a good dude, man. Really good dude. By the way, what's the story with this afternoon? Today is a Thursday. Same spot? Different spot. What's the plan? Oh, yeah.

We pretty much been in the same spot, Doug, man. Taring the grass up. but a lot of guys have gone back to school. So now it's pretty much just the NFL guys and a couple of younger kids that pop in here and there. All right. So you're working with wide receivers. Should we look at, what are you,

Antonio Brown working out with Russell Wilson. Clearly he wants the Seahawks to sign him. Is that a good play from, from your standpoint? Honestly, to be honest with you, any team that can get AB is a great play. he's learned his lesson, at least in my opinion he has. He just wants to play football. And so any team that can get him, he can still play.

He's still one of the best receivers in the league. You know when you line him out wide, if they don't put a safety over the top, then you should throw the ball. They put a safety over the top. You run to that side. He has to block the corner. It just makes football so much easier for the quarterback

and a play caller. Yeah, obviously it's the other stuff, which gives people pause, you know, and will the league, suspend him, you know, will he be able to play, those sorts of things. But I agree with you. I also think that the videos put out there, it's a lot like, like I think the videos helped Cam Newton. Did it show us whether or not his throwing motion, if he's perfected it, whether he's back in terms of his velocity and his ability to make the throws he needs to make? No, but it's signified,

and you tell me if I'm wrong, it signified to the league, hey, I want to play football, right? That's what Antonio Brown's doing. That's what Cam Newton's doing, showing I want to play football. And that's a big thing because not everybody who we think wants to play football actually wants to play football. You know, with Cam, he was just showing everybody like, y'all must have forgot, like, who I am. Did y'all really forget, okay, let me remind you guys, number one, I'm going to remind you the type of player that I am, but I'm going to show you my work ethic. And so that's what it was. That's how I took it.

He was showing him like, I'm not afraid to work. I'm going to get out here and grind. I'm going to work every day to better myself, and I'm going to document it. So if any of you guys are doubting that or have any questions, I'm giving it to you every day. And I believe the workout videos did help him. It's just crazy when you think how good of a player he is. And it took him this long, and for what he signed for it, it's crazy. Well, how good a player he was.

No, no, no, no. Well, listen, you can say was, but we all know in football, and anybody that's played a long time, you play plenty of games hurt. And when you play good, it really doesn't matter. But when you play bad, you suck, but they really, people really tend to overlook the fact he shouldn't have been on the field. He should not have been on the field. Yeah, and he was, and he suffered from that, from an image perspective,

of his ability to still play the game. But he was banged up. Look, I'm not disputing that he was banged up, but the parts that were banged up and have been surgically repaired are the most important parts in his ability to be successful, right? His shoulder and his legs. So, again, I'm not disputing that he played hurt. Remember last year when he came back, it was after shoulder surgery, and he said he was back, and it wasn't right. The shoulder wasn't right. Like, I think that quarantine hurt him and the inability for people to examine him, and that's the pain.

Patriots are basically giving him $550,000 to do like an audition, to see if he's actually healthy and if he can withstand the beating of playing the position. Like, I'm not disputing that guys have played hurt and that he probably shouldn't have been out there, but the parts of his body that were hurt are his shoulder and his legs, and those are the ones that his foot that he has to have in order to be Cam Newton. And that's why I believe he was putting those videos out as well to show people. the quarantine hurting, but it also helped him because he's able to focus. Without the quarantine, maybe he signs, he's in OTAs, and you don't really have a chance to work on you.

This pandemic has given a lot of players, including Cam, an opportunity to heal, get better, and work on their game individually. And when you look at Cam, with the way technology is, I'm going to, and he's young, he's still young. I'm going to assume he's okay. Yeah, you had injuries. But when you rehab and you get the perfect amount of rest in rehab, which this quarantine has given him, he's going to be fine. To me, immediate puts New England back in contention to compete now because everybody assumed the AST East was going to go through the bills

and maybe the Dolphin. New England's right there because they have one of the best quarterbacks in the league and they got him on the cheap. You're painting best case scenario And best case scenario I agree They've had a lot They lost a lot on defense They did lose Dante Scarnacia

And you know The whole thing with Tom Brady was He didn't have enough weapons Right wasn't that discussion They didn't give him enough weapons Yeah They didn't really They added one running back

Who's not going to be a starting running back That's all they added Why is adding It's his legs It's his legs It's his ability to To create time in a pocket If you look at the wing

Bill Belichick, Josh McDonough, they've never had a quarterback like this. Bill Belichette's had Drew Bledso, Tom Brady, Matt Cousel for a season. They've never had a quarterback. If I'm not mistaken, I believe Tom Brady is probably only run for 50 yards in the season probably eight, nine, ten times.

Cam Noon's doing that every third game. And Tom Brady went to, so it's just going to bring a element to the offense that they haven't had. So now, Josh McGahn, the tricky part is, is it a true competition? Because if it is, then if Cam Newton wins it, you're going to have a change your offense.

So if Cam's going to be adointed to start of that, that's the kind of my point. Now, look, McDaniels did have Tebow. Okay, so he did run. And they, and with Jacoby Brissette, with that one game he started, I think it was against Houston, right? When Garoppolo got hurt. They ran some read option. They ran some other traditional option kind of looks as well.

So they do have that in the bag. But you're right. Like you only have two preseason games. Everything's going to be short and tightened. Are you going to run the offense that they plan to run with Jared Stidham? If so, that isn't, that's a lot of underneath precise passing stuff. That's not Cam Newton. Or are you going to run?

And then here's the other question, TJ, and this is an honest question. I understand that he was playing heard, but the Carolina Panthers tried to make him into a dropback passer. Right? They brought in Norv Turner. and that was because they didn't feel like he could play that way anymore. So this is where I say he was. He was an unbelievably dynamic guy who could run it and could throw it. And you make up for the lack of accuracy because he was just the biggest,

baddest man on a football field. But what if he's not that guy anymore? And he has to rely on his arm, which has not only never been accurate, but is surgically repaired, doesn't that change how we look at him? Oh, 100% it changes. But I'm looking at it from a perspective of we're going to see the best, Cam Newton. People really need to sit in – he didn't play last year, in essence,

he played, what, the first couple games. And he had this entire time to get healthy. If he's not healthy now, this will be the last year Cam Newton plays football. When you have, in essence, close to a year to get your body ready, I'm expecting him to surprise some people and play extremely well because he's healthy. He's been able to, you go through a season and say you don't make the playoffs. You're done the second week of January. You might, if you have injuries, you're rehabbing, but if your body's just banged up, you rest,

you don't really have but a month and a half, maybe two months to work on your body. And then here comes OTAs. Guys have had six, seven, eight, nine months to just hone in. on their body and get healthy. And so that's why I'm going to say he's going to be healthy. And it's going to be a lot of people saying, oh, my God, why didn't we take a chance on him? And that's what I foresee happening.

And he's too good of a player. T.J. Hushmanzada joining us here in the herd. I'm Doug Gottlieb filling in for Colin. You know, it feels like these teams have even more leverage than before because there's no OTAs. There's nothing to hold out in no show from. Chris Jones tweeted out that he won't play for the Chiefs, in 2020, unless he gets a new contract, right?

Or I won't play Leveon Bell. Levyon Bell told me about this. Like, dude, the Levyon Bell is not a success story, Chris. Man, Chris Jones, man. Go get your money, man. Like, I get it. I truly get it when they want a long-term deal. But being franchised an amount of money that you get for one year.

16.1 million, T.J. That's what he would make. It's not a bad thing. Yeah, you want long-term security. You're young. And you believe in your... You're going to get it. And you don't go into any season or any game saying, oh, man, I hope I don't get hurt. Just play the game. Go get your money.

And if you don't want to play the game, you do what Labion should have done. You show up. And mysteriously, your back of your ham, string is bothering you. Right. Like you just, you don't let that money go. And so Chris Jones, please, bro, go get your money. Levyon, he might have told you what to do, but what he didn't do the right thing.

T.J. Husmanzada joining us here in the herd. Okay. So you mentioned kind of the holdouts. We also, we have two preseason games instead of four. You know, that fourth game is really, was always for the guys that weren't going to make the club. The first game, the ones usually played a series or two. How much does this change the dynamic of the first month of the season with fewer snaps in the preseason? What teams have been doing as of late, they rarely played their starters anyway.

And so what, what it hurts, though, is the young guys, the free agents. You probably won't see many undrafted the free agents' makes team this year. it was where the young guys got those reps. For the starters, you look at the round, they didn't play. And so it's par for the course for them. It really doesn't matter. Other teams, the starters might play a total of three quarters, total in the preseason. And so if you can just do that in one game, practice is very important.

The starters didn't play much in the preseason. You look at certain teams, like I said, like the rounds, they didn't play them at all. And so this really hurts the young guys, the undrafted, free agents, the late-round draft picks that in game four would have pretty much played the entire game and had a chance to kind of show he deserved to play in the league. T.J. Hussmanzada, join us in the herd. Baker Mayfield, what's interesting about Cam Newton, the only other team to reach out to Cam Newton was the Cleveland Browns. And obviously, I mean, that would be an unbelievable backup. I'm not sure to be great for Baker Mayfield to look over his shoulder and see number one with his helmet on in case he screws up. But this is a make or break year for Baker. He's got Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt. He's got OBJ and Jarvis Landry.

You know, they have Austin Hooper as a highly paid tied end who can catch the football to go along with David and Joku. They seem to have tried to fix that offensive line. And they brought in a coach who, you look at what they were able to do in Minnesota, establish the running game and protect Kirk Cousins and put them in play action. Like all that seems to make sense. will it work? Can you fix? Because my fear with Baker in that system is you're going to have an unhappy OBJ and or Jarvis Landry because they run it so much. Those wide receivers aren't going to see the targets like they want. Baker then, one, does he have it? And two, can he, does he start forcing it to those guys? In your mind, does the Cleveland plan work? It has to work. Did you just hear what you said to me? The name.

of players, they have the best skilled positional players in the league. And I don't believe it's close. Their backups are starters on a lot of teams. Now, will it work. I believe it will work. And you say, you know, they're going to run the ball. I'm not so sure of that. And people point to Safansky, his offense in Minnesota, but people have to realize

Mike Zimmer wanted to run the ball a lot because that's his philosophy. Is that really? Stefanski's M.O. Is that really what he wants to do? Yes. And so... Yes. T.J., yes. T.J., yes, he wants to... T.J., why would a guy... Why would a guy see such success?

Get a job based upon that success? And then go to Cleveland and go, you know, the way I got this job, I'm going to do it a different way. Like, that just doesn't... Mike Zimmer... Zimmer's a defensive guy. Right. And defensive guys play defense and want you to run the ball. Why did he get rid of D. Filippo? Because he wouldn't run the ball. Right.

Because he wouldn't run the ball. Right. And they didn't win. And they won when they ran the football. I'm not saying he's just going to a bet. Every coach wants to run the ball. Right. When you got OBJ, Jarvis Landry, and Kareem Hunt, and the tight ends you just name

and hoop or a joke, you're going to throw the ball 55, 60% of the time. That's the strength of your team. And then when you get the lead, we will run the ball to win the game. And so that's, I'm assuming, it's his plan. with the weapons they have, I foresee the Browns being a playoff team. Baker can play. He just needs to calm himself down and stay in check. But he can play.

It makes it easy. You got those type of guys playing with you. Get them the ball. Let them make you look good. Yeah, listen, I'm, I can't wait. Look, I hope we have an NFL season starting away because you got them against Baltimore. People forget they did beat Baltimore last year, but that'd be on the road. The Steelers with Big Ben coming back, man, that division, wow.

That division is. look, the Bengals, they couldn't be worse. I think there'll be better. People forget how banged up they were. Didn't have AJ Green last year. Mixing. You have mixing and we'll see about Burrow. But, but my point was the Browns, they got Baltimore, but then they got Sincy and the skins at home. To me, how they start is going to be a huge part of how that story plays out. T.J. Hushman Zata, Pro Bowl wide receiver. You see them on speak for yourself. You hear him here in the herd. TJ, great stuff. Thanks so much for joining us. I appreciate it, man. Keep up the great work.

All right. Pleasure is all mine. We'll see you a little bit later. Did you know that right now, Geico is offering an extra 15% credit on car, motorcycle, and RV policies. That's 15% on top of what Geico already saves you. So what are you waiting for? Save that extra 15% when you switch by October 7th. Visit geico.com to learn more. Let's get to Ryan Music with the news. Is the heard-line news. Well, Doug, last hour we talked about the internet.

exploding over a picture of Zion Williamson and how cut he looks right now after the quarantine and perhaps shedding some of that excess weight that caused you some concern. Baby fat. Yep, to start his NBA career. Also, in regards to Zion Williamson, his teammate Josh Hart told reporters earlier today, if they had had Zion from the start of the season, they wouldn't be fighting for the eighth seed right now. They would be a four or five seed. Hmm. Okay.

Like, are you going to guarantee that he's going to play the whole year? Like, again, like, what do we remember? Like, was Zion awesome when he got to play? Yes. But he's yet to show us that he can stay healthy that long. So would he have been as good as he was had he played right away? Instead, he worked on his body and worked on his game. And so when he joined middle of the year and people didn't have a scatterer report on him, he was dominant.

So I'm not disputing that if you could. This is like the guy who sits on the bench, and I'm sure Josh does this. When you sit in the bench, you're like, hey, coach, I'm averaging eight a game, and I'm playing 16 minutes a game. If you play me 34 minutes a game or 32 minutes a game, I'm an average 16 a game because you just pro-rate those stats. Right. It's not the way it actually works.

It's the least favorite thing I have with one of the analytics per 36, where they try and pro-rate all the stats. Right. Well, you didn't play 36 minutes. Right, exactly. You can't, fatigue comes in, fatigue comes in. You're playing, like, this is, and you're right, by the way. And this is like bench, they talk about this bench players a lot of time.

Like, oh, six man, he's amazing. Imagine if he was a starter. Well, if he's a starter, he's also playing against other starters. When you're a backup, when you're a six man, you're playing against the other team's backup. Totally. Completely agree. We'll stick with the NBA here, Doug. NBA insider, Adrian Wojnerowski said on his podcast,

Jacques Vaughn should be considered the favorite to be the next head coach. next season and into the future. He's the head coach. This is from Woj. He's the head coach. They didn't make him the interim coach. I think the nets are considering the possibility of a search, but I would still give Jacques Vaughn. I would give him the edge over the field right now to remain their head coach. He also said he's not sure if the fact that the nets are going to be missing some key players is going to hurt Vaughn's chances, rather give him an opportunity to prove he is the right coach for the job? I think there's a lot that goes into it.

First of all, for people to know, Jock Vaughn was one of my favorite players and humans as a kid growing up in Southern California. He went to John Muir High School. Same high school that produced Stacey Ogman, for example. He was awesome. Like, Jock Vaughn was awesome. In the old pure point guard days,

there was no one better. Dick Vital, probably, he made him a household name when he wasn't as good a college player as many people, myself included thought he would be. But this is a, I'm a Jock Vaughn fan. Well, here's what he has working for him. Sean Marks is a Spurs guy. Jock Vaughn was a Spurs guy. There's a relationship there. He's also as a younger point guard, his ability to have a relationship as an assistant coach with Kyrie Irving is paramount. Here's the other thing he has working for him. I don't think a lot of people want to coach Kyrie Irvin.

There's just not a lot of coaches and they're like, sign me up for that guy. Because Brad Stevens would never say a bad word and hadn't said a bad word to me about it, but it was pretty obvious based upon body language and what I'd heard from other people, you know, last year they're in the playoffs and their defensive scheme was, hey, look, we don't want you matching up with, I think it was like, Janus, let's say they lost her. I was a box. Like, look, we're going to hide you defensively so you can give us everything you have offensively. And he kept switching and matching up with Janus and getting beat because Janus is

just too big, too long, too strong for him. Like, Kyrie Irving to this point in his career has proven himself to be relatively uncoachable. So I can't think that Jeff Van Gundy is like, you know what I'm going to give up my broadcasting director to coach that guy, no matter how good Kevin Durant is or how talented Kyrie Irving is. So he has some things working for him. I just, if he really had the support of the locker room, wouldn't those guys want to play for None of them want to play. And that's the only bad look at that I see. Yeah, the other thing that I find interesting, and look, there's always more to the story,

and I would never doubt the accuracy of a woe to a woe story. The thing that I just find interesting is, isn't that what we thought was Kenny Atkinson's strength? Was when they didn't have stars, he was able to coach up the team to a playoff team, and they built this great culture. Then they got rid of Kenny Atkinson, and now they're like, well, Jacques Vaughan can prove himself, see if he can coach without star players. It's like, well, no, you just fired the guy. They did that. Wait, you just fired Kenny Atkinson.

Doesn't seem to add up for me. All right. We'll finish up with some football here. Former NFL scout, NFL network analysts, regular guests on the Doug Gottlieb show. Daniel Jeremiah, he has his scouting profiles for top prospects every year. Today, he released his first report on Clemson quarterback Trevor Lawrence. So some of the positives, his measurement and build. Great hair.

Yeah, great hair. Measurement and build, 6-6-220. his athleticism, his competitive drive, improvements. Accuracy on NFL-type throws, including he tends to underthrow deep balls and throwing from outside the pocket. He does point out that he thinks that he is on track to improve in those areas, similar to an Andrew Luck. The comparison that he gave him. Deshawn Watson. He did the thing that everybody screams at you to do that we never do, which is compare the white guy to the black guy.

compared him to Sean Watson. He says they have a similar build and frame where they're both lean and really athletic playmaking ability inside and outside of the pocket and their competitive attitude. DJ, I love you and I know the exercise you're doing here and I do think that we do this thing. Like people forget how athletic.

Like when RG3 and Andrew Luck came out, people were like, oh man, RG3 is a freak. Like actually Andrew Luck is faster. Yeah, that's what he said specifically here. While Watson is more, elusive, Lawrence has more pure speed. Right. But that's why they're completely different.

So I love you. It's a similar system, whatever. I get what he's doing. But it's not. No one ever looks at Trevor Lawrence and goes like, you know what he looks like? He plays like Sean Watson. So much.

Come on, DJ. That never happens. They're not. Okay. But look, he pulled it off for anybody who ever says, we never can play a white guy, whatever. Like, it's been done.

Congratulations, Daniel Jeremiah. And that's Ryan Music with News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. We have the very best, most controversial top 10 in the history of the Hurt. Best of Blast is next in The Hurt. Be sure to catch live editions of the HARD weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific.

On Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Be sure to catch live editions of the HARD, weekdays, at noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeartRadio app. Start. Start the world's best morning shake. If you're looking for more energy and lean muscle, you have to try this product. Check it out at mDrivestart.com. MDrive Start.com. I just want to reiterate something that I've heard now from T.J. H. Schman's out and some others. Look, I'm not hating on Cam Newton. I have never thought he's never been a consistent accurate thrower. He just hasn't.

You're not going to tell me, I have a career's worth of statistics to show you that he's not. And he's taking more hits than anybody during his time in the National Football League. He's a good player, but there was some limitations.

He had one great year. He had a couple of good years. He had several disappointing years, and he's had several injuries. But I just, I want to make sure that you have heard what I heard, which I disagree with in principle, which is Cam Newton, who 31 other teams said, no thanks, including, like Ron Rivera, I wouldn't bet against Cam Newton, the Patriots. You actually did.

You could have signed your former quarterback. You traded for his backup. Who makes more money than Cam is guaranteed? What am I missing? What am I missing? Carolina had him. They're like, well, you know, they cut him. They could have resigned him.

They didn't have to sign Teddy Bridgewater. So Tom Brady didn't have enough weapons. So he went to Tampa. That's what limited the Patriots before. They lose players specifically on their defense, add no weapons. And now we're supposed to believe that Cam Newton, who hasn't been healthy most of the past three years,

who his own team and then his former coach passed on, the rest of the league passed on, they're going to be better. Okay. Let's get to the best for last. It's almost the end of the show, but that doesn't mean we're phoning it in. Nope, we grind to the very last segment. It's time for best for last.

Okay, so with COVID-19 and quarantine, fireworks shows are being canceled around the country. Beaches are being shut down around the country, right? I think fireworks and beaches are among the 10 most overest, overrated things in the summer. Best for last, here's our top 10 most overrated things about the summer. Number 10. Watermelon. Hold on. Hold on. I love watermelon. It's my favorite fruit.

Watermelon is crazy, hard to pick out and nail until you cut it open. Mushy watermelon? No thanks. Super firm under ripe watermelon? Also no thanks. When watermelon is perfect. Oh, my watermelon juice, ice watermelon, watermelon margaritas, just watermelon. I can eat. When I was a little kid, I ate a whole half watermelon, right?

I can still do it now. It's the best. But it's overrated because it's so hard to find the right watermelon, mushy watermelons, or watermelons with seeds. No thanks. Number nine. Tanning. Who doesn't live a good summer tan, right?

But, cause the skin cancer. You get freckles. You get burned. Or if you don't want to do this, you got to lather yourself up with a bunch of lotion. And if you miss a spot,

now you got that missed a spot thing. It ages you when you get that sun. Number eight. Hot dogs. No, I'm not a communist. Hot dogs are overrated. They smell wonderful. They're terrible for you.

You don't know what's in them. And you eat when you're like, it didn't taste nearly as good as it smelled. Number seven. Fishing. Oh, you know, you give a man a fish, you eat for a day, you teach a man a fish, he eats for his rest of his life. Have you ever tried to go fishing by yourself without like an expert? Yeah, if you go with somebody who knows what they're doing and they like just put it in the honeyhole there and reel it in, okay, but I don't own the equipment. I don't know what lure to put on. I don't really know what I'm doing or where I'm going.

and I look like the most uneducated, unformed person ever in front of my children if I take them fishing. I need somebody else to enjoy this. That seems to defeat the purpose. Number six. Golfing. Golfing. Because in you go in the summer, everybody's out. So you hit the ball, wait for the person in front of you.

You're right? Right. Then you got to hear from golfer, buddy, about how good he is and about this hole. And about how five years ago he had a hole in one on this par three coming up. It's too long, too boring, too slow, and I'm just not good enough to really enjoy it. Number five. Boating. Two best days to own a boat.

Day you buy it, they sell it, right? Plus, like once you get out there, you're like, okay, I'd like to do something else. I'm not talking about water skiing or jet skiing or, you know, whatever, or doing something behind a boat. I'm talking about the whole process of filling up the boat, launching it, cleaning it when it's done too much. Number four. traveling. Children everywhere. Now you're in masks and the gloves. Lines. Cost. Heat. Humidity. No thanks. Number three. Amusement parks. Love the rides. Rollercoasters hate the lines and the food there, the cost. It's all kind of like created entertainment. Number two. Beaches. Traffty to get there. Terrible. Okay. There's always some guy with, you know, like a dog on a

a chain at your beach not supposed to be there. The sand is hot. Plus, unless like you're surfing and that's early in the morning, like, what, you just sit there and sit around and talk and get a sunburn? Seriously, a beach is kind of overrated. Number one. Fireworks. How many times can I see something go up? Okay, this is the exact same thing I saw when I was a kid. Literally has not evolved. No, no, you have to watch. Look at the shapes that come out. All right, that's kind of cool. What's next? Fireworks the most out of rated part of summer. That's our best for last.

I like fall. I like fall. It's a little cooler. You got football. You got baseball. You got basketball. I like fall. John Mittle Cough will join us tomorrow.

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