The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Cam Newton, Russell Wilson, MLB, NBA, USC

Episode Date: May 13, 2020

Colin talks about the Cam Newton rumors, the fact that Russell Wilson continues to get disrespected, MLB's plan for this season, why the NBA will be fine if they continue, and the issues teams like USC will probably face because of the pandemic. Guests include Nick Wright, Enes Kanter, Chris Haynes, and Scott Boras. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Find your local station for the Hurt at Fox SportsRadio.com or stream us live every day on the IHartRadio app by searching Hurd. Opening to Fox Sports Radio. Oh, here we go, live in Los Angeles, back in our television studio. This is The Herr. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, we're on IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio. Yes, once again, first time in over two months, back at FS1. Joy Taylor is joining me. I feel due to sanitation and sanitization or whatever the word is,

feel safer here than I do at my own home. Our company Fox Sports has done a remarkable job. There is a handful of people in tech. Joy is 10 feet from me. Now, everybody always made fun of our set, Joy. Yep. And they said it was Collins sitting on this empirical desk looking down at the world. Well, who's laughing now, not Bill Simmons,

because this set is why we can come back. I'm up here. She's over there. And we are going to continue doing our show finally back at FS1. We want to thank our bosses. We want to thank everybody. It is amazing coming into work today. It feels, I feel fresh air.

We have a lot of space. The practices and the rules we're applying now to get in the building through security, everything's sanitized, masks for everybody, social distancing. Even able to, even our muffins delivered for breakfast are socially distancing. Our muffins are six feet apart. But it is remarkable. And I honestly feel it just lighter today. I feel like we've made progress today.

I'm so, so happy to be here. It's so good to see your face, Colin. It really is. I'm not even being sarcastic. This is amazing. It's like the best day. I feel like a new person. I told you I put my heels on for the first time in two months and twisted my hand.

I'm like literally being reintroduced to the wild. It's amazing. Yes, it is. So let me start with something. The place I used to work out is doing a lot of lists lately. That's what you do when you don't have games and we have to fill space. Content now is it a premium? But they actually had a list that I thought was kind of interesting and it's timely too.

The top 10 all-time NBA players was introduced by ESPN. Number one is Michael Jordan. I'm not going to argue it. That's a topic for another show. What's interesting, though, number two, LeBron James is a current Laker. Number three is Kareem, a former Laker. Number five, Magic, six Wilt Lakers. Nine Kobe, 10, Shaq Lakers.

Number seven, Larry Bird, rival to the Lakers, as was Bill Russell number four. This, of course, is another reason to restart the NBA season. You have to remember, the number one brand in the NBA right now is LeBron. The Lakers are number two. because the NBA has succeeded without the Lakers being relevant for the last 10 years, eight years, seven years. The Eastern Conference collapsed on television when LeBron left it. Much like the NBA lost 50% of its ratings when MJ left.

There is no other MJ and there is no other LeBron. For years and years, think of the rich history in golf. I argue with golf purists, guys would like, one handicaps. Rory's going to be the next guy and this kid and that kid and there is no other Tiger Woods. It's why I never understood the criticism. Just hug him, embrace him, and love him. He's a comet.

He's a meteor. Like Michael Jordan, there is no duplication. Tiger Woods from 99 to 03 won 32 tournaments. Next closest was eight. We had a term. It was called the Tiger Slam. We never had to use it before because nobody really thought it was possible. What do you call it when a guy won all four majors?

Folks, there's no other tiger. There's no other Michael Jordan. And frankly, there's no other LeBron. I don't want to hear about Kauai, who's a wonderful player, but he doesn't talk. Yannis is spectacular, but he's in Milwaukee, he's international, and his game isn't really glamorous. Oh, there's Kevin Durant, but he can be snippy, aloof. and a little distant and moody.

He doesn't feel like the face of a league, just really talented. There's James Harden, but I find his game at times unwatchable. And there's Zion who's remarkable but a kid. We don't know how good he'll be. And frankly, can that kid stay healthy? The closest thing we have to LeBron James in this league as a face is Steph Curry. He's now sneaky old. He gets hurt a lot.

He's kind of private, a family guy, and doesn't feel like he'd be as comfortable being the face of the league. When you had Jeter and A-Rod, get them on television. You're never going to have a Jeter A-Rod combination. Two great guys, two good-looking guys on the number one franchise in baseball. You just put them on TV regardless of what network you are. When LeBron and the Lakers come back, if in a very bumpy season, you have an opportunity to get it done, you do.

Don't kid yourself. This has been a rough NBA season. One year ago today, guys like me were talking about all the duos that were going to happen next year. Think of how ugly this season has been. The death of David Stern, the death of Kobe Bryant, the multiple stars injured, the China debacle. This has really been, by and large, a mess. How do you save it? LeBron and the Lakers.

six of the 10 all-time best players in this league are Lakers. Two others, Russell and Bird, are tied to the Lakers. You don't get LeBron again. This is it. There's never going to be a high school kid good enough to walk into the NBA and drop 2010 and 8 his first game. And oh, by the way, never get in trouble, elevate others, smart, thoughtful, mindful, start schools.

That's it. just appreciate him, put your arms around him, you're not going to get that again. You're never going to get a player like Michael Jordan, who was the best looking guy in the league and the most glamorous guy in the league. And he was polished and refined because he had amazing parents. And then Dean Smith, and then Phil Jackson, then David Falk, everybody supporting David Stern, Phil Jackson, unbelievable parents, Dean Smith, that's not going to happen again. There's no more tigers.

Never forget this. that Michael Jordan in 98, you're watching the documentary, that final got nearly 30 million viewers. Now, think about that. That's double what our college football national championship gets. 30 million. The NBA finals didn't average over 20, 20 for 18 years. That was with LeBron.

Okay? So LeBron is the closest thing in terms of big and glamour and dominant. When I used to watch Michael Jordan play, I used to always think, man, there's a gap between Michael and number two. When you watch LeBron play and the number two is Kevin Duran or Kauai, yeah, that's a big gap. You have to take advantage if at all possible on LeBron, James, and the Lakers. Because frankly, you're never going to get it again. again. The Bulls were irrelevant. They were a Midwest franchise that had won about 50% of their franchise games. You're never going to get A-Rod Jeter to the Yankees again. Dynamic, big stars,

controversial, good-looking. It just doesn't happen. So when you get it, take advantage of it. All right, I saw this story. It infuriated me. I saw this story this morning that makes no sense, but I'm going to talk about it. Cam Newton rumors of all the teams in the league guess where the Cam Newton rumors are not a bad team that could use his dynamic flair and athleticism not a team that doesn't really know who their quarterback is

not a team who has a quarterback that needs to get pushed no peers the latest rumor today the Seattle Seahawks would be open to adding Cam Newton Once again, absolute nonsense and disrespect for Russell Wilson. A, Russell Wilson never gets hurt. Why spend a dollar on a backup? Two, Seattle's a Super Bowl potential roster.

Why bring in a celebrity backup? And three, Russell Wilson is a workaholic. He doesn't need to be pushed. Where Cam fits, of course, is in Pittsburgh. Where Big Ben is often hurt. Big Ben is not a workaholic. Big Ben is always limping, where Big Ben needs to be pushed. And frankly, the weak, the backups in Pittsburgh are not very good.

I saw another rumor yesterday. This made the interweb. Seahawks rumor to have offered Russell Wilson to the Browns via a trade back in 2018. Russell Wilson for picks? Can you imagine the mayhem today if the story came out that Aaron Rogers was about to be traded to the Browns. Can you imagine what that would do, how people would be outraged? Can you imagine if Russell Wilson was rumored today to be traded or Big Ben was

rumored to be traded to Cleveland? Oh my God, Big Ben would pout for a year. Big Ben, his drama? But every time there's a rumor about Russell Wilson. Cam Newton today, yesterday he was going to get traded to the Browns, the ESPN, an article that slammed him, not a peep. Not an ounce of drama. This would literally unravel a Packer season.

This would unravel Big Ben. But you know what Pittsburgh does that Seattle doesn't? Pittsburgh, even though Ben is hurt, even though Ben doesn't work hard in the offseason, even though Ben is overly dramatic, even though Ben struggles with a lot of teammates, The Steelers' ownership and general manager and coach are always in his corner. And stories like this, true or not, would never get out. In the last two days, two stories we wanted to trade Russell and why not bring in Cam? Absolute nonsense.

That Russell Wilson once again has to deal with this crap. They wouldn't do this in Pittsburgh. though Cam in Pittsburgh makes a ton of sense. Big Ben needs to be poked, needs to be pushed, Big Ben gets hurt, the backs up horrible. And Big Ben and Cam, their games have a lot of similarities. Russell Wilson's game has no similarity. He's not distracted. He's not hot and cold.

He's not inefficient. He doesn't need attention. Russell Wilson was on our show recently talking about Michael Jordan's documentary. Here's Russell Wilson. He has this unbelievable competitive edge. You know, this unmascible competitive edge that, you know, I want to bring to the field every single time I play. When teams see me in the fourth quarter, when I'm walking on the field,

they already know, I want them to anticipate what's going to happen. I want them to feel that before I even walk onto the field. What Michael was able to do is it wasn't that he wasn't positive, but he was just positively sure what it took to be great. I think, you know, some people, you know, communicate differently. You know, to me at the end of the day, though, you have to be consistent. What makes a great player, a great player, a great leader, a great leader, or a great father, a great father, is there consistent every day? That's the guy you want to trade to Cleveland?

That's the guy you want to potentially inhibit bringing Cam in? Pete Carroll should come out today, John Snyder should come out today, and either refute these stories, be embarrassed about them, or maybe try supporting Russell Wilson. like Pittsburgh does to the severely more flawed Big Ben. Ridiculous. I almost didn't do that story. I was so ticked off, but it's, you can't be choosy. We're not in a choosy time for content. Coming up next, those who are saying and are concerned about the asterisk for an NBA season.

Some thoughts on that coming up. Plus, Nick Wright today, in his canter of the Celtic, Stopping by Chris Haynes, Scott Boros, the baseball agent of note. We'll stop by. Maybe he and I will argue. He is for the players. I am not for anybody. I'm just for baseball.

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Smart companies run by NetSuite by Oracle. The world's number one cloud business system. Receive your free guide right now, netsuite.com slash herd. NetSuite.com slash heard. So Shaquille O'Neal said, scrap the NBA season without an asterisk. And I want to remind you, for all of us for the next 12 to 18 months, life is going to be an asterisk. College kids are going to graduate online. Everybody's Phoenix University, even kids at Harvard.

Is that an asterisk degree? Our presidential election may be decided by over 50% mail-in votes. That favors Democrats. You're going to have to put an asterisk on that, too, right? We understand people will lose jobs, and they did nothing wrong. It's the new world. It's the new normal. It's the new reality.

Sports has always been filled with asterisks. We just don't use them very much. Tom Brady, the current dynasty and the goat at quarterback. Let's see. The NFL move Peyton Manning out of his division very early, and they had multiple scandals. No asterisk. The Toronto Raptors won the NBA championship last year.

Steph and KD, the two best warrior players, out. Clay was hurt. Golden State's first win over LeBron. Kyrie Irving played half of one. one game in the series, right? And Kevin Love missed all of it. We don't give asterisks. Look at the New York Yankees. They have an annual asterisk. The Yes Network. They simply can buy more players in a sport with no salary cap. We just have to realize baseball right now is arguing about money. I

think the players should cave. Not that I'm pro-owners, but I do think people that are rigid and people that are stubborn are going to lose in the new normal. Let's not worry about plans, about how it used to be. We know, I said this the other day. There's never been a great movie with a bad ending. Ever. Never, never in the history of movie making. Nothing's ever won the Academy Award for Best Picture that had a really bad last 12 minutes.

But there are movies that have been kind of clunky and average with great endings that get nominated and occasionally, albeit rarely, win. Our life for the next year is going to be one big asterisk. It's okay. Let's just end it well and get back to business in baseball and the NBA. Here's Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news.

This is the herd line news. Well, Cliff Kingsbury nearly coached Jared Stidham at Texas Tech. Stidham was committed there before switching to Baylor, his fresh. for his freshman year and obviously he finished at Auburn. But he said he's always been a fan of Stidham and believes that New England is really committed to him this year. He told W.EEI, I know they're very high on him up there in New England. It's going to be hard to replace him as the greatest of all time or replace the grace of all

time. But those guys up there do a phenomenal job developing quarterbacks. And if they feel confident in him, I feel confident in what they have going on. I'm excited to watch him play. Even if you like Jared Stidham. And I do think I remember at Auburn thinking. thinking he looks like an NFL quarterback. What level I don't know. They have no weapons. So like even as talented as Lamar Jackson is, he needs the right coach and weapons.

And that's a really super talented guy. Like Jared Stidham, even if you loved him and loved Bill Belichick, the division's better. Who is he throwing to? They don't have a one. They don't have a tight end of note. So it's the idea that he is going to just fit in. There's a reason Tom left. the reason. They don't draft weapons well. I think it's okay to say that you are skeptical of the situation. Now, other coaches around the league not saying that, I

understand other players around the league not saying that. I understand because they don't want to put themselves. It's almost like talking bad, talking trash to Michael Jordan. It's just something you don't do. Right. So out of respect for what the Patriots have done, I understand players in the league saying that they are still the team to

beat, you know, Sean McDermott saying that the Patriots are still the team to beat in the AFC East. Like, all that's fine. And look, Cliff Kingsbury obviously did like Jared Stidham. He almost coached him. But we don't know what Jared Stidham is. He went two, two for four, 14 yards and one interception. It's this entire NFL career. We have no idea what he is. And yes, to your point, all we could hear about last year was that Brady had no one to throw to. Do they have the culture? Yes. Do they have the coach? Yes. Do they have the defense? We think so. All that culture stuff. I like culture too. What happened to San Antonio's culture when Tim Duncan

got out of his prime. They don't get to the third round. Well, I do think it's, it's easier to come into a place that has an established culture. No question. But San Antonio and New England, this is the parallel we talked about. Right. The minute Duncan's out of his prime, that's funny, the culture doesn't feel as good. Yeah, well, I shouldn't say culture, the system. So having a culture is super important. Every individual place should have a culture, whatever it is. You know, Seattle has a culture, the Steelers have a culture. You know, the patients have a culture. Does the system work without a star? How was the triangle when Shaq left the Lakers for two years before Powell Gasol? How did the triangle work?

It didn't. They got swept by Dallas in the playoffs. You need stars. That's right. That's how it works. So after a decade with the Cowboys, Jason Garrett is now the offensive coordinator for the Giants. And new head coach, Joe Judge, says he's going to take Garrett's lead when designing the team's offense. You know, I think schematically, the easiest way to describe it to kind of the outside world right now is, you know, it's going to be similarly based off what Jason's done in Dallas or the last 10s.

of years. So there's going to be some similarities to care to that, but it's got to cater to our players we have on our roster. This shouldn't be too surprising because you wouldn't assume that Jason the Garrett's going to go to New York and then all of a sudden design some entirely new system for him to run. The loser is Daniel Jones who can't take anything from Pat Schumer's system. And Pat Schumer may not have been a great coach, head coach, but Pat Schumer's a good coordinator. So basically you're asking Daniel Jones without OTAs and we don't know what else we'll be missing. here's a brand new system, learn it.

Like, I'm sorry, that's not good for Daniel Jones. Yeah, and I mean, for those, like, skeptical of Jason Garrett's system, I need to have Kellyn Moore last year, but they, you know, we're first in the league in total yards last year in Dallas. Obviously, Dak Prescott is much further along than Daniel Jones. But yeah, you're right. This is a lot to take on. But we know this.

Like, a lot of these young quarterbacks have new coaches or new coordinators that they're going to have to adjust to if you're not been in the league that long. Like, you know, Teddy Bridgewater is in a new place. But he's a pro. He's been a multiple teams. So even though it's a new coordinator and a new head coach, he doesn't have to learn how to also be a pro, which Daniel Jones is still learning to do.

And this is his first full year as the quarterback of the New York Giants, as Eli Manning mentioned before. This is his team now. So it's a completely different world. Finally, at the NFL opens the season in empty stadiums, the players will have to adjust to the lack of crowd noise. And Sam Darnold discussed how that would affect the way that everyone plays. You know, it would be a little bit different, obviously, not having the fans there.

I mean, they're part of what, you know, of what makes this sport. And they're, you know, the fans are really what makes sports great in general. I mean, just the atmosphere that they create in the stadiums. And, you know, besides that, I think not having fans there, just being able to hear the defensive calls. Obviously, the defense being able to hear my calls, pretty loud and clear. you know, it'll be, it'll be different. Kind of an advantage for the offense, though, right? I'm an opposing quarterback. There's no fans. I can audible any way I want.

Sure. I mean, it depends on, I mean, I don't know. I think it'll balance out like anything else. Like at first, it may be an advantage to the defense because if you're a vet, you may have done more research and you know what's coming up. There's not the distraction of the crowd noise and the lights and everyone on the sideline. You can maybe zone in more, but then offenses will adjust. It's like anything else in life. This is brand new for all of us.

So in the beginning, we're going to be like, whoa, whoa, this is very lopsided. It's great for the offense. And then the defense will adjust and figure out how to defend against whatever it is that the offense is figured out. It'll be easier for road team quarterbacks, that's for sure. They're not going to be going up against a crowd noise and having to do silent counts and hand signals and things like that. So it's all going to be a new world. And I think we can all safely, I mean, listen, we're not even going to safely assume. We have no idea what's going to happen, right?

But if there are no crowds there, there's going to be a major adjustment period. And we'll find out very quickly who it benefits. Yeah. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. Co-hosts, first things first.

Joy and I were saying we have not been in this studio for some time. My friend Nick Wright joining us via the Coward Global Satellite Network. Sponsored by Mercedes-Bendom the Best or Nothing has not been out of his house for two. and a half months, so he doesn't want to hear my pity and nonsense. I mean, it's... Colin, just strolling, you know, beautiful Manhattan Beach. Now back in the studio, I'm in the heart of Harlem in New York City, just boreding up windows, but I'm happy for you, Colin.

By the way, you look nice and tan. Good to see you. Yeah, I've been outside. Anywho, all right, let's start with this. So my former employer put up a top 10 all-time players, and, you know, we can argue about it. But do you believe that because of this... documentary LeBron's

2 and Michael's 1 and that there is some recency bias with that and a lot of these lists now that are ending up on the internet it's a lot of MJ 1 LeBron 2 and not much of a discussion or a debate by most. Do you think that the

documentary to some degree is shaping that or reshaping it? So I do to a degree but maybe not the way you're thinking it but a couple things. First of all credit to your former employer I think they did a very good job with their top 10. They've got, they've, their top nine, they have right slightly out of order.

Six, like seven should be Duncan, eight should be Kobe, nine should be Bird, West and Oscar should be 10 and 11, Shaq should be 13. And obviously they have Michael and LeBron flip, but for the, Shaq is 13th and they have him 10th. They're very, very close to exactly right. And by exactly right, I mean my list, which is, of course, the official default list everyone should defer to. But to answer your question, Colin,

here's what I've noticed with the Michael documentary. We've got a lot of the most adamant, ardent Jordan fans thinking a lot about LeBron during this doc. I hear a lot of... LeBron's not to talk about it.

I'm trying not to bring up LeBron during the dock. And we have a lot of Jordan folks that either call my radio show or do television shows that seem to be shoehorning a discussion about a player who entered the league five years after the doc was finished into this discussion. So I think there's a word for that.

I think it's insecurity and anxiousness about the fact that LeBron, if he has not already passed Jordan as he has, that he will in short order. But yeah, for the moment, he might get a nostalgia bump, but those bumps fade, as we see with politicians at times, get a temporary bump from a crisis and then it fades as things go on. So yeah, I see that somewhat, but I'm not too concerned by it. Let me shift to Shaq talking about bail on the season because of an asterisk. And to that I say, life is going to be nothing but asterisks for 12 to 18 months. And sports has all sorts of inequities, financial, geographic. It's just the reality of sports

and we don't use an asterisk. And oh, by the way, is the world of sports better with the NBA playing now? I'm yes. And I think you just can't be too rigid, regardless of what league or sport or commissioner you are. What did you make of Shaq's comments and the encouraging sign this week that Adam Silver and the players appear to be willing to play at a centralized site? Yeah, listen, I think it would be fantastic for all parties involved if the NBA can resume.

I think it's so much easier for professional sports to resume than collegiate. collegiate sports for obvious reasons. And I do think the NBA is going to find a way to get this season in. Listen, if we end up with an NBA finals of Grizzly's Heat, we're going to say, okay, this was pandemic influence. The NBA is the one sport where basically every single year the champion is either the one, the two, or the three seed. And if we end up with some bizarre finals, then we'll say, okay, maybe we'll remember it a

little bit differently. But I don't think that's going to happen, first of all, and second of all, I have found the discussion surrounding if this postseason happens, will it count fully very interesting? Because what you are seeing, and I apologize for bringing up LeBron again, but what you are seeing is the folks out there who have staked their claim on LeBron being overrated or his era is over or the reason he's not in the goat discussion is rings or failure. failures in the finals, they don't know which side to stake out on. Do I say there's an asterisk and this year doesn't count, but then if LeBron loses, I can't use it against him. But if I say the year does count, if he wins, he gets credit for it. I'm in this glass box of emotion. And so you have folks that want to be able to reverse engineer their opinion on this in regards to LeBron. So I will stake my claim immediately. This year counts. Everyone's got to deal with the same

circumstances. It's not ideal, but as you mentioned, nothing's ideal for anyone right now. The champion this year is the champion. The team that I happen to believe benefits from this the most, if anyone benefits from it, is the Clippers because health and rest was, of all the contenders, was the, they had the biggest question mark on. But I still think pre-pandemic, Lakers Bucks was going to be the finals. That was my preseason pick, mid-season pick, and it's my right now pick. Lakers Bucks should be the finals. No, absolutely. Last risk needed. Cam Newton has never been my favorite, but I do think he fits in Pittsburgh really well.

For a quarterback that needs to be pushed is often hurt with a Super Bowl roster but bad backup quarterbacks. Where I don't think he fits or is needed is Seattle. And we have two stories now in the last two days. Seattle thought of trading Russell Wilson of the Browns, outrageous. And let's bring in Cam because, you know, Russell, oh wait, he is. a workaholic who never gets hurt and is all about team. I said this morning as I was preparing for this, rarely do I get angry with a story. Cam fits, but maybe no place less than Seattle. What did

you make of the stories and rumors about Russell Wilson, Cam, and the rest? Okay, so I made a lot of it. The first one was when I saw that Chris Sims had said the Seattle Seahawks, I read it at about one in the morning last night that Chris Sims, I should have been in bed already, was saying that the Seahawks had considered trading Russell Wilson for Baker Mayfield. I said it's one in the morning in New York. That means it's 10 at night in L.A. Colin's a kind of old man.

He's probably already sleeping, but damn it, I want to call and make sure he's okay. Like, I am worried about him. Like, if they traded maybe your all-time favorite player for Baker, I don't know if you'd have been, I feel like you'd never gone back to your home state. You'd have just been like, I'm done with you forever. This is an outrage. You might have quit the business. Yes.

So I was concerned for your well-being on that story. Now, as far as Cam, if I were to rank all 32 teams, if I were advising Cam, the 32nd place I would tell him to go with Seattle. They have the second best quarterback in football. He never misses time. And by the way, they don't even like throwing the football evidence by the fact they thought about trading him. So why would you go there? He'd be better off going to Kansas City because at least Mahomes, we've seen he's missed time with injuries. Seattle should be Cam's literal last choice.

The hierarchy for Cam, the top five should be New England and Jacksonville because he'd be the instant starter. They should be at the top. And then three places that have aging quarterbacks that we don't know if they'll make it through the season or we don't know what they'll be doing next season. Pittsburgh, Indianapolis, and maybe my favorite new Cam Newton option, Tampa Bay. Like, let's just see if Tommy what old Tampa Brady's got left. And maybe Cam can fit, because I feel like Cam fits in great with Bruce Ariens. Those should be his top five. Seattle should be dead last.

By the way, I want to circle back to the documentary, The Last Dance. Now, as you referenced, I'm an older gentleman. And so I grew up with Jordan. I'm not learning anything new. It's mostly amplifying what I knew. But I've really, and I'm not a stroll-down memory lane guy. It's not, you know, I don't bring up red grange for football topics. It's not my DNA.

But I have enjoyed a ton of it because I like good storytellers, and there's a lot of great stories in the documentary. Have you, can you acknowledge, though? The one thing about Jordan is that he was a unique combination of great, glamorous, blue-collar work ethos and coastal cool. and that there is something about Jordan that is unique all time. Most great. Kevin Durant's great, but he's not glamorous or always cool,

that Jordan does have a mystique that has been earned, and can you acknowledge that, that he was special and unique? Of course. Unlike the Jordan fans, that LeBron might one day be top ten, I don't take anything away from Michael Jordan. He's one of the five greatest American athletes ever.

He's one of the two greatest basketball players ever. He is the most marketable athlete ever. He held the all-time greatest championship belt for 93 to 2016. For 23 years. That is longer than any player in any sport had ever held it, except for probably in any of the major team sports, I should say, aside from Gretzky. Good for him.

Like, yes, I got nothing against Michael. And I, and I, and I, and so no, they, I agree with all of that. And by the way, LeBron will never sell as many shoes. LeBron will never be as universally beloved as Michael was. All LeBron has to fall back on is he luckily happens to be a better basketball player, which does, you know, is relevant to this discussion. And before I go, because I feel badly, because you're back in studio, today's a great day. and I made you seem old and I didn't mean to.

Listen, you're a little older than me, but you're rich L.A. old, which means you're actually 10 years younger than your birth certificate says, so you're fine. Don't worry about it. You got 40 years easy coming. Nick Wright, first things first. Good seeing you, buddy.

Pleasure. Thanks, man. Miss your pal. Talk to you later. Yeah. I got to show up on his radio show the other day as a surprise guest, which was really fun for me. That's fun.

It was fun. We talked a lot about this and other stuff. It was fun. I got to agree with him. I would be really concerned. We'd have to all check on you if that actually happened with Russell Wilson. I just, by the way, I'll do my blind resume, which I do, just to put a final nail in the coffin,

how outrageous these discussions are about Cam Newton and Seattle, which the fact that they get out worries me. You know, if there were rumors about me and whatever, the fact that they would get out, somebody leaked it that doesn't like me. Somebody in Seattle doesn't like him. How you don't like him, I don't know. Jealousy, envy, I don't know. If I was Pete Carroll, I'd put my foot down today.

So that's coming up next. Plus, I think I'm going to have John Goulet did something beyond give me hockey scores. Goulet came up with a great topic today, an NFL topic about the next great quarterback in this league. And it's fascinating. The trend we're on. Lamar, Wence, and Mahomes, quarterbacks in their second year either win the MVP or are leading the MVP voting late before they get hurt Wentz. I'm going to talk about that top of the hour, too.

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But everybody banging on the L.A. Ram's new uniforms, I think you're nuts. I think they're one of the, I think they're some of the best uniforms in the league. I don't understand this loyalty to an old uniform. Rams should have a new uniform. It's a new group. It's a new city in the last few years, shouldn't they? Yeah. Yeah.

I like the new uniforms that came out today. I don't love the logo. That was what everyone was freaking out about was the new logo. But I like these uniforms. There's some bad logos in the NFL. Jacksonville logo is not great. Titans is boring. There's a lot of boring logos.

Texans doesn't do a thing for me. I feel like the more simple the logo, the more effective, right? Yeah, I think the, I think the, I don't know, I look at the L.A. Rams logo and I'm like, all of it looks good to me. It looks fresh. It's very, it pops. It pops. So, by the way, I got kind of somebody said on Twitter, I got up in my, my feels today because Russell Wilson was once

disrespected, but it is interesting. Cam's a perfect fit in Pittsburgh, but the Steelers owners would never do that because they support Cam, even when he's just overly dramatic, doesn't work hard in the offseason, and frankly, as hot and coal is a quarterback and doesn't always work well with young players. Russell's, check, check,

check, check, workaholic, great guy, team player, never distracted, never dramatic, doesn't let any of this stuff bother him. But it's funny, Russell Wilson has never received a single MVP vote. Now, Warren Sharp is our friend. He's a deep diver on the NFL and football.

Literally, Bobby Wagner, a linebacker for the Seahawks, has received an MVP vote. A linebacker. Derek Carr's got six. Tony Romo, multiple. DeMarco Murray, a running backs got two. Russell Wilson's the greatest player that's ever played in the NFL that doesn't have a single MVP vote this long into his career. Since he entered the league, listen carefully, let's play blind resume. Since Russell Wilson entered the league that year until today, blind resume,

Russell's regular season record on the left, his completion percentage, passing touchdowns, passer rating, and postseason record. Okay. Who's the guy on the other side? That's interesting. The guy on the other side will unveil it here is Aaron Rogers. Oh, by the way, Russell is healthier, never missed a start, younger, more mobile. Oh, wins and losses, more successful.

Russell's also a better road quarterback and a playoff quarterback. And Russell's never been rumored to have a head coach fired. I don't get it. I don't get it. We would be outraged. We were outraged, right? when Green Bay simply drafted a young project at quarterback. Nobody today would be upset with the Cam Newton rumors in Seattle.

John Schneider and Pete Carroll should just put an end to it today with a press conference. Look at the blind resume. He's younger than Aaron. He never gets hurt, never misses a start. He wins more in the regular season. And by the way, Russell Wilson's done it without question with less decorated offensive lines. You say, oh, but Aaron doesn't have any receivers. DeMonte Adams is better than any Seahawk receiver Russell has ever had.

Now, Percy Harbin was great, but remember he had migraines. They brought him in. He barely played until the Super Bowl. And oh, by the way, Russell's been to more Super Bowls. I don't think I'm being petty. I just think it's incredible. The Cam Newton Russell Wilson rumor is absurd. And just think about this.

What if that was a rumor today in Green Bay? Cam Newton to Green Bay. You got to be kidding me. Every single debate show would lead with that story. What are they saying? How are they not supportive of Aaron Rogers? It happens in Seattle where it's not even a fit, and I bet you I'm the only guy talking about it today.

I'm not watching the other shows, nor should you. I bet you I'm the only guy talking about it today. Crazy. All right. So John Goulet came up with an idea this week. morning, and I actually love it. So here's the premise. You don't have to act so surprised. Well, you know, I mean, you know, you push a couple buttons and make a lot of demands, but I will say in this instance, he came in this morning and he said, so Lamar Jackson,

first year in the league starts one game. Next year wins MVP. Explodes. Mahomes sit down. I'm sorry. Lamar Jackson, first year in the NFL, doesn't start until week 11. Interesting, more runner than passer, can't win a playoff game. Explodes. Lamar Jackson's MVP. Carson Wentz came into the NFL. Had a good September, then was exposed, next year leading on MVP. Three straight years, whence Mahalms, Lamar Jackson, okay first year, barely play first year, get exposed first year, win the MVP. There's six quarterbacks this year with better numbers in many instances than those. Which one do I think has a chance to win the MVP?

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It's so good to be back. Yes, we are being very safe. Yes. But it's very good to be back. So Goulet came up with a topic this morning. And the topic is our last three MVP leaders in the clubhouse came out of nowhere. Patrick Mahomes didn't play his first year until week 17. Following year, he owns the league.

Don't tell me you thought he was going to be runaway MVP. Nobody did. Before him, Carson Wentz was having an MVP season. Week 10, he got hurt. He was going to win the MVP. His first season, good in September, ugly after that. Lamar Jackson last year. It was his second year.

First year didn't play for the first 10 weeks. Did week 11, dynamic. but when the Chargers got a second look at him, yeah, they figured him out. So three straight quarterbacks had bumpy, didn't play, played poorly, hot and cold, kind of marginalized, and then explode, meaning give these kids a second chance, a second opportunity, some confidence, they can watch their film, they get a little bit of a preseason. and so there are six quarterbacks that fall into this category. It is their second year.

And before you roll your eyes, Kyler Murray, Daniel Jones, Dwayne Haskins, Drew Locke, Jared Stidham, and Gardner Minshue. Some of them put up pretty good numbers. Gardner Minchew, 21 TD, six picks. That's pretty good. Kyler Murray, 20 TD's 12 picks. Did you know that Daniel Jones, 24 TDs 12 picks? These guys are completing over 60% of their throes.

they all appear as a pure pocket passer to be better than the mar. They're all getting more snaps than Patrick Mahomes. And frankly, they don't appear to get hurt much like Carson Wentz. If I had to bet today, who would I bet pops this year and either wins the MVP or is in the running for it? So let me start eliminating people. I'm going to eliminate Gardner Minshu. This is a team award. let's be honest, the Jags are tanking.

I do think he's undervalued as a player. Gardner Minshue, I think, is more talented than Case Keenham, less of an arm than Baker Mayfield, but share some of the same quality. So I would get rid of Gardner Minshue. I would also get rid of Jarrett Stidham. New England has a conservative system. New England's systems not built for the quarterback, the division's tougher, and frankly, he's got no weapons and no veteran tied end.

I think it's asking way too much for Jared Stidham with few snaps to walk into a tougher division, Buffalo's defense, Jets defense, and Brian Flores of Miami's a defensive coach, and to rack up big numbers. I'll now eliminate Dwayne Haskins. First of all, the Redskins are turning over their roster and have an entirely new staff.

I worry about maturity issues. He frankly just didn't play enough in college. I think it's a grow year. Not an explode year. And I do think at some point in this season, Washington will make a decision on him. He's a big, strong kid who can throw accurately. I'm hopeful. Let me eliminate a kid that I undervalued.

He's really better than I thought Daniel Jones. New coach, new system, new coordinator. Also, think he doesn't have nearly the support that DAC and Dallas do in the roster or Wents and Philadelphia does. I think they have the third best roster after Chase Young to Washington, maybe four. It's also Sequin Barclay's team. If they win, he'll be engineering it. But I do think he's better than I thought. I don't see an MVP in his future.

It comes down to Kyler Murray and Drewlock. I'm going to eliminate Kyler Murray. It's a team award. The division's ridiculous. Seattle is stacked with a Hall of Fame quarterback and coach. San Francisco stacked everywhere, and frankly, we consider the Rams to be down. They went nine and seven and didn't get any injury breaks. Let me concentrate on Drewlock. Most of you didn't watch him because Denver was bad early. He started five games. He won four. He had over a two-to-one touchdown ratio,

that with a bad left tackle. He completed 64% of his throws. And here's what I like. He's got a young tight end, that's a position in the NFL that struggles in year one named Noah Fant. I think Noah Fant's going to be a star. Iowa does that with NFL guys. Noah Fant star tied end really matters for young quarterbacks. He also has a great young receiver that you don't know much about from SMU named Cortland Sutton. He had a great first year, 1100 yards. They drafted two wide receivers to support him, one of them my favorite in the draft, Jerry Judy. They also, by adding Melvin Gordon, have two borderline pro-bowl level running backs. They went out during the off-season, made their defense better,

and I don't even worry about that with Vic Fangio. Bradley Chubb comes back off an injury, Jarrell Casey, and A.J. Bouye. And although the division has the Kansas City Chiefs, what do we really know about Tyrod, Taylor, Anthony Lynn, and the Chargers going forward, they may make a quarterback change if Justin Herbert blows them away mid-season. and Oakland slash Vegas, you don't win eight, nine, ten games when you change cities.

It just doesn't work that way, and they still can't stop anybody. My guess is Drew Locke is going to explode for Denver this year. A young star tight end, a young star receiver, two receivers in the draft. I don't love their left tackle situation. Bradley Chubb back, a division in which they can win double digits. they can beat Kansas City at home and a kid who got very, very little attention last year because like a Mahomes, he just didn't play much

but won four of five. I'm going to bet on Drew Locke. That is my bet. Way to go. I really like that job you did there, Goulet. It was a good topic. One of my favorite guys outspoken and always a good sense of humor.

We're going to bring them on via the Coward Global Satellite Network. Ennis Canner, longtime NBAers, played almost a decade in the league. All right, let me start with this, my friend. Yes, sir. I always like your perspective on stuff. You're a global kid. You were born in Switzerland, and you moved to Turkey, then to the United States at 17. So this is a global pandemic.

Would you be comfortable knowing you're in great shape? You're a younger human being, which appears to be statistically the data point, say you're safer. Would you personally be comfortable coming? back and playing in five to six weeks? I mean, first of all, I'll just say this. I don't know if I'm going to be in a game shape. Because, like, you know, people talking about coming back or not. But the thing is, you know, if we come back,

if you don't have enough time to come back and get in game shape, a lot of the players going to get hurt. So I feel like even if we come back, NBA needs to do a really good job just giving us that, like, at least like four or five weeks period of time so we can get ready for, you know, in a game shape. because we are about to, you know, maybe they'll play the playoffs. But I think, you know, if it's all safe to go, I think so.

Now, a centralized location. Now, I will say this, young American players, they go Summer League in Vegas. You know, I mean, so does the centralized location like Disney World, are you okay with that? Are you okay with no fans? I mean, of course it's going to be awkward, man. Like, think about it's a Eastern Conference finals, us against, you know, somebody. Like, there's no fans, no cheering, no clapping. Of course, it's going to be awkward.

But, like, you know, right now I feel like all the players just itching to go out there and play basketball. So, like, I'll be like, if it's all safe, they go, I'll take anything. But, like, I heard Adam said a lot of the, you know, the cities are calling the NBA and want to host the players. And they're thinking about either Orlando or Vegas. Actually, Adam even said first,

they were, they even thought about moving NBA outside of a country. But then they're like, you know what, it's going to be so hard to just move to a different country. So that is out of the conversation. But right now, like you said, they're looking either Vegas or Orlando. Now, Shaquille O'Neal said, you know, there'd be an asterisk if somebody won. And, you know, I don't worry too much about that because I look at it that basketball is part of our culture. We love it. And if the playoffs were good, Ennis, we would just be so happy.

I don't worry about that. I mean, if Boston won. You faced what everybody else faced. I wouldn't look at you as less of a team. In fact, I would make an argument. I am more impressed with a team that could win without playing a home game in the playoffs. So what do you make about the asterisk article or issue? I mean, I'll just say this.

Of course. I mean, like, I'll argue at this point. Some of the teams are open up the practice facility early. Some of who are not open up the facility early and they're saying if it's fair or not. But you know what? I mean, I'll just, like I said again, man, right now, it is going to be challenged for every player and every team. So for me, I'm just going to go out there and just see what the NBA going to say. Now, Adam Silver yesterday, he has a phone call and he sounded, I would say, more confident.

It was more encouraging. Does it bother you that it appeared yesterday, Adam wanted to get the top stars in the league on board, and they're going to drive this. Do you resent that at all? Does it bother you that a handful of stars will make the call on this? I mean, I feel like that handful of stars, I think that was like five or six of plays,

was on that call, needs to communicate with us because obviously not all of us is like a superstar, whatever, but we are all in this. So it's not like there is a risk for everybody. So I feel like those superstars that you, like you said, five, six players or whatever, needs to communicate with us and say, what do we think? And what Adam said, whatever the NBA decide,

play has to agree with it too. So I feel like, hey, maybe like those six players wants to go out there and play, but there is some players out there might not want to play. So I feel like it has, like NBA is like a big family, right? So I feel like we need to communicate all together, 450 players, not just only six or seven players. How good a shape are you in?

Do you work out? I can go jogging where I live in California every day next to my house, so I do. Are you working out? I mean, we still have this virtual workouts with the Celtics. They're calling us like three times a week, Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays. We actually get on this a Facebook call and try to, you know, just see what's Schencoach going to tell us to do. But like, it doesn't matter how much you work out, you're not going to be in game shape

because the game shape is a different shape. So that's what I'm saying. Like if the season starts, right? And if the players are not in a good shape, a lot of the people is going to get hurt. So I feel like we need at least like three, four, whatever weeks to just get back in a close to the game shape. So once the season starts, we can just go out there and play a basketball. Because like once the playoff starts, man, it's like, is you either win or go home. So you got to give everything you have.

So I just don't want other players to just risk their career and get her big time. And it's going to affect them in a long run. Now, have you talked to players that aren't stars? If I said to you the last 10 players you've talked to, do they share your opinion? What a non-star players think? Do they want to play? I mean, let me tell you something, man. We all want to go out there and play.

We're all itching to go out there and play because obviously, you know, it's an amazing time to just let your body heal. But same time, man, it's like we've been at home for like two months. So we all want to go out there and play. But every player is saying the same thing. If it's all safe to go, we want to go out there and play. Okay, so the MJ documentary, The Last Dance, I imagine you're watching it. Now, I don't know how much you paid attention to the NBA 25 years ago, but you used to be able to tackle people basically in the NBA.

Like a football, yep. Yeah, what do you make of Jordan? How much have you watched Jordan before? What do you make of the documentary? Right. I mean, you're talking about goosebumps. That is, you know, that's what you get when you're watching that. I think that's, like, the best way to explain it.

But, like, I think just watching him, his dedication, his discipline, his love for the world, it was just on a different level. He had this mentality that only one player had, and it was Kobe. I don't see another player that have his mentality. You know, so, like, I think watching that, it just gives you so much hope and motivation. And so I feel like I met him when I was 17 years old in New York. It was like a dream kick him true. I'm meeting with, like, the greatest player for all time.

But it was just amazing, man. I'm just sad that it's just going to only one episode left. I know. I know. We only have one weekend left. Ennis Canter is joining us. You know, it is interesting about that. We said,

Janus, you're an international player. You moved here at 17 years old. Janus could be the next face of the league, but he's kind of a little bit quiet. He has no, you know, I wouldn't say he's a glamorous guy. Jordan was a little more glamorous. Is there a next? If LeBron retorty,

tired tomorrow. Is there a next, who is the next face of the league for you? I mean, if you look at like in a game playing vice, it's like it's either going to be like Janice or Kauai, but they have, I feel like they have no, you know, personality. You need to have that, you know, the brand going to. It's just not like going out there and playing 48 minutes and getting like 30 and 20 and win. It is all about the fans want to see you just, you know, just personality. Well, LeBron does is like. Like he talks about somewhat off the court stuff, what matters to people. He got a lot of personality.

But when I see like some of the superstars right now, they don't have that personality. So I feel like in the next could be, I'm trying to think. Jason Tatum. Is Jason Tatum have a personality? You know what? He could be it. I mean, he's like, people like thinking like he's quite. He's a fun dude, man.

Like he's a really good teammate, like, you know, fun to be around. he makes jokes and stuff. I mean, I think Jason Tatum going to be an MVP conversation for sure, either next year or next a couple years. So is your family okay, by the way? They're doing okay, man. It's tough because with all this pandemic now,

I mean, I am worried about him because it'll just, you know, affect them and I might not, you know, maybe get, you know, see them again. But all I'm trying to do right now, man, it's trying to create awareness of what's going on over there because there's so many political, prisoners and, you know, just journalists are in the jail right now and waiting for help. If the virus spreads in jails, it's going to be very deadly and dangerous.

Yeah. And as Canter, one of my favorite guys, ninth year, it's good talking to you. Stay safe. I appreciate you taking time and keep going on those Zoom things and doing sit-ups or whatever you have to do, my man. Yeah, I still got the herd shirt, by the way. Look at that loyal. That's the kind of loyalty I like. We're back in the studio, buddy.

Appreciate it. Yep. Thank you, brother. Good stuff, Ennis Canter. I'll address those story I had last night about a USC Alabama game, looks to be done, and what's going to happen in college football. I'll address that coming up next. Chris Haynes this hour, Scott Boros, the legendary baseball agent.

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The optics not good a couple of days ago. A lot of talk about Rev Share, folks right now with 15 to 20, 20% unemployment. Don't want to talk about millionaires and billionaires battling over RevShare. So we'll talk to him coming up. Here's Joy Taylor, though, first with the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news.

Sponsored by Mercedes-Benz, the best or nothing. Jack is one of the latest all-time greats to speak about Michael Jordan and the last dance, and he added his thoughts about why the documentary is cementing Jordan's place as the goat. We should probably break it down the arrows on. who was the best player ever. But Michael Jordan, by far, stuff that he's done, I don't see anybody being close to that. You know, he's a 10.

There's a lot of 7s and 8s out there, but there's no nines or 10s. He also thinks that MJ would score 45 points easily if he played in today's NBA and said that he would average 51. Well, Michael also wouldn't be as great as a defensive player because you couldn't hand check, which was his not-so-secret weapons.

So I think Jordan wouldn't be as dominating on the defensive end. I think, I mean, you can't stop any point guards now. If you're fat, like a Westbrook, you can't, you can't stop point guards today. Everybody is more speed and finesse now. Yes, and you just can't stop anybody. So Michael wouldn't be as dominant defensively, and that was a huge component to his game. I do think Shaq might score 51. Well, here's the other thing. It's not a mid-range game. So Michael never showed an ability to hit the current three with this. Michael had a unique body, huge hands, but average feet. So Michael had size 13 shoe. That's pretty average by NBA standards, small by some NBA standards, but enormous hands.

So Michael was not somebody where the three-point shot was effortless. He was built to be fast. I do think that Michael would have, maybe because he wasn't a natural three-point shooter, but it wasn't an important part of the game back then. So I do think that if he was playing today, he would focus on improving his three-point shot. He was a very efficient scorer, as we know. So I don't know. I mean, Kauai kind of brought a little of the mid-range.

back last year. Oh, I don't doubt. I don't know that it wouldn't have been completely ineffective. Yeah, I don't doubt Michael would have been dominant, but I, I, I, 45 is a lot. He, and he's also, he was not just a mid-range shooter. He was the greatest mid-range shooter ever.

I think he would be somewhat reluctant to move off. If you're the greatest blank, I mean, Ricky Henderson stole bases. Don't take that away from him. That's his DNA. So again, Michael would be great, but I think we always rush to this. Well, you just score 45.

Kevin Durant, seven feet, you can't block his shot and he doesn't average 45. Yeah. By the way, Michael in order to win today, because Michael's about winning, he'd have to play with other stars. So Scotty Pippin was never a score. To win championships today, you better have a second score and a third. So I don't think Michael would be doing that to win championships. I do think a defensive thing would be interesting because removing the hand check is an important

element of it, but it's not that the game is not, like, it's still very physical. There's not, obviously, the fouls that we're seeing, you know, on the last dance, but. You can't stop anybody from getting to the basket. Now, remember this. So. Well, they protect the, they protect the shooter so much more now. Kobe Bryant's record went down the more he scored over 30. So if Michael scored 45, what star would want to play with him?

Who wants to play with the guy scoring 45 and your average goes 28 to 18? So Michael would end up playing with really great players. Right. And so he would, that this is just, it's one of those bar arguments. It is. But it's so fun, though. But I don't think it would work. And now the NBA is kind of different than the last year because would that work in like the big three era when everyone had three stars?

Who knows? So the Rams unveiled their new uniforms for the 2020 season. We saw the leak of their logos and then the release of their logos and there was a little bit of backlash. But the new look includes a blue jersey featuring featuring. a yellow gradients numbering with interchangeable blue or yellow pants. I love the home uny. And then there's also an off

white jersey and pant combination. And then the new helmet is a metallic chrome blue. I don't get the, I think they look tight. They're clean. I actually love them. I love the helmet. I did not like the new logo. I felt like it kind of

resembled like a bus logo or something. It just wasn't as like strong. for a Rams Lego, but these uniforms are great. Those uniforms are my favorite. Those like that combination. I think I got to be honest. In the NFL, Cowboys uniforms, I like them because they're clean.

These are just clean. But these also look very L.A. Yes. Like they're very sharp. They pop. So good job, Rams. Yeah, I like them. All right.

Finally, Justin Gehche punched his ticket to face a beep in a title unification bout later this year. And Dana White says it could happen as earlier as this summer. In an interview with ESPN Chicago, he said he has, he said he plans to have Habib Gaechie, the fight, take place in July on Fight Island, which should be ready to host events by mid-June. So Fight Island is the idea is not gone. Obviously, we know they had UFC 249 in Jacksonville this weekend, but he is still working on doing the private island with all the fighters there and having Gachie, Habib, on Fight Island. It will be their biggest revenue grossing fight. No, wait, wait, no. It won't be Mayweather and Connor, so it'll be number two.

But that was kind of a, that wasn't a boxing match. Yeah, that wasn't not really like a UFC production. It was like a split situation. So like a specifically UFC only fight, I mean. Justin G. In this fight, this would be, in my opinion, the only thing that would rival it is Nate Diaz and Connor McGregor the second time they fought. That felt like in my, that felt like this generation's Ollie Frazier.

Yes, that was a huge fight. But this will be so important because obviously it's going to be limited sports on television as well. We'll talk more about this story on Joy Chat at 3.30 Eastern on caffeine free app. Subscribe to the Fox Sports channel. And we'll be live at 330 Eastern on caffeine for Joy Chat. Very good stuff. Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The Hurd-Lie News. So yeah, yesterday I was told by two people I, trust the USC Alabama game will not happen. It's a pipe dream. The people I talk to brought up several points. Number one, college football is going to be more regional this year. It's going to be regionalized and it should. Less travel. Don't put student athletes. These are not professional athletes. Do not put them in the crosshairs on cross-country trips. College football is going to be more regional. By the way, there was a report by Paul Feinbaum that Bama has already contacted TCU if USC and Bama cannot play.

TCU is scheduled to place Cal. USC Bama, so you had two pack 12 teams, and that is drying up. And it should, in my opinion. There is also the NCAA has not had any parameters on if you have to start the same time. Huge disadvantage to California schools. USC is concerned, I'm told, about not having enough practices as Alabama could have a three-week to a month head start on practices, no thanks facing Nick Saban, who has 20 more practices than my coaching staff and my players are equipped to deal with. Also, California yesterday announced

three more months stay at home, no large gatherings. How does UCLA practice? How does USC practice as southern states are much more willing to let it go? The Cal State system announced yesterday, no on-campus classes this fall. Don't be shocked if the PAC-12 at least in California follows. The uneven practice schedule, I'm told, right now the leader in the clubhouse is the PAC 12 playing a condensed football schedule, spring or fall, based on 10 to 11 games, Pac-12 teams facing one another, no out-of-conference games. I am rooting for it to happen. I think less travel, more regionalization is the way to go. and so that's what I am told USC.

For the record, if there's ever been a break in scheduling, not playing Alabama with more preparation time than you, maybe the greatest break in scheduling in the history of college football. Not necessarily a bad thing for the Trojans. Something else I thought about, NBA owners yesterday, and star players went on a conference call with Adam Silver. and Adam Silver, I think, was stronger and more defiant than he had been. My takeaway on this entire situation we're in right now, UFC, NASCAR and the NFL have flourished.

NASCAR will this weekend. Why? Because they have a centralized voice. Dana White, a centralized voice. Roger Goodell, what did he say? Stop talking general managers. Stop talking coaches. What Adam Silver has not had until yesterday when I sensed it is I'll do the talking,

a centralized place, strong leadership going forward. I also think something else is in play here. If we do not have a vaccine, if we do not have a vaccine and nobody's predicting it before the end of the year, it will not only affect this NBA season, it will affect next NBA season. This is really a business move. Now, we know right now in America the safest people with the virus are people under 35, especially those in amazing shape. Professional athletes, the NBA. There's a lot of things at work here, but yesterday I was more encouraged on the NBA than I have been at any other time.

Rick Buecker was on my show a couple of days ago, and he talked about the sense of urgency inside the league. now? The hard reality of it is that the NBA needs to get back to business or their entire revenue structure with the salary cap and everything else is going to be crushed. And I am just waiting for the owners. If there's any pushback from the players on resuming this season without a vaccine, that the owners are going to say, if you take us to there, we're going to hit the nuclear button, we're going to blow up the CBA, and we're going to start this thing from scratch, and you're not going to like the term. I don't know that they get there, but I know that that's in the owner's back pocket. Listen, you ever see those bumper stickers? Mean people suck. But mean

people, sometimes Michael Jordan, they get stuff done. Dana White can be mean, Michael Jordan. The bottom line here, strong central forces get stuff done. This is not a time to be rigid or take sides. The stronger the voices of Adam Silver, the better it is for the NBA. And yesterday was the first time I sensed urgency and a willingness to manage a pandemic and not be consumed on the pushback on social media. So it felt like a good day for the NBA. Chris Haynes will further our discussion on that.

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Get 15% off your Raycon order at buyraycon.com slash heard. Thank God for the Jordan documentary. Episodes 9 and 10 are Sunday. So I might actually watch those this afternoon. No spoiler alert. Listen, we already know what happened. Like everybody was like, whoa, spoiler alert. Well, it's not spoiler.

We know what happened. They win. Yes, we know. But there's like things that happen in the documentary that we, you know, forgot about or we didn't know, you know. Yeah, there's a couple things. I mean, listen, Michael, you know, Michael's got what they call a strong inner scoreboard. He doesn't really care what everybody else thinks. Whereas, you know, I think a lot of that's his parents.

He had such a strong belief system because his parents, his parents, his mom. and his dad were so amazing, so he's not really worried about what you think. I think whenever I see, you know, players out there concerned about what the fans think, I think, where's your base? Like, if you have a great base like Jordan did, you don't give a rip about what people think about you. And I don't think he cares. I was actually surprised that he said that he didn't think people, like he didn't know

how people were going to receive it. We like him more. I like him more than I've ever liked it. I agree. I think most people do. Yeah, Chris Haynes now joining us, NBA reporter for Fox Sports via the Coward Global satellite network. So you reported, Chris, there was a private group of stars that came together, talked yesterday. So discuss the story you broke and what transpired, if you could, Chris.

Yeah, well, I published a story yesterday on Yahoo Sports. Please, everybody go check it out if you haven't had a chance. But it was basically a superstar conference call. It was arranged by Chris Paul, who is the president of the Players Association. On that call was LeBron James, Damien Lillard, Kauai Leonard, Kevin Durant, Russell Restbrook, Stefan Curry. I feel like I'm missing somebody, but you get the gist. And basically, they were going over the pros and cons calling resuming the season or canceling the season.

And I was told Kauai Leonard, you know, he was really verbal, you know, on that call. And basically, a lot of guys were just stressing the concerns about, going out there playing with risk of contracting the virus and then taking it back home to their loved ones. And so at the end of the call, which I was told lasted for about 45 minutes, they were all in agreement that if they felt comfortable with the safety measures that were in place, that they felt it was in their best interest of going out there and playing. And there's a lot of implications, Colin, with the CBA coming up, and if the season were counsel, how that could negatively impact the CBA,

as far as how their future and their salary goes. And so there's a lot of business that was discussing that on that call. But at the end of the day, they felt like it's an obligation that they felt they need to go out there and play if all the safety measures are in place. Now, Chris, is it your understanding that they would go right into the playoffs and not finish up any regular season games? That's not concrete yet, but I did listen to the conference call that Adam Silver Hat with the players last Friday. And he made it sound as if this, if the hiatus continued out any longer, that they were probably lean towards just starting in the playoffs. Because he said he couldn't guarantee, he told the player this.

I believe it was Andre Igo Dala that asked that question on the conference call, asked about what do the teams that are on the bubble? How do they prepare? What am I to tell them to do during this time off? And Adam Silver said he really couldn't guarantee that they would have the chance to play their way into the playoffs if they're one of those teams that's on the outside of the top eight in these conference. And so it sounds like we're probably leaning towards starting the season with the playoffs if it were to resume, but that's not set in stone. Chris Haynes joining us. Is there what they call a drop dead date?

Is there a date in which Adam Silver is going to say, guys, I got to make a decision today, because you're going to need at least three weeks of training camp. I would think to be an NBA player shape. Is there a date that Adam Silver has discussed where we either make a decision, we're going or we're not? The only thing that he has said to the players in ownership that it would be some point in June, some point in June where there's a drop deadline date. Now, he hasn't issued that date. He hasn't issued that tie frame publicly, but that is the case. So June, at some point in June, I would say probably mid-June, will probably be around the deadline date as far as when he has to make a decision.

And as far as training camp to prepare for the season, if it did resume, he said he's hearing a range from three to six weeks as far as what it would take to get these guys in not proper shape, but in the best shape possible, to go into step into a season because they will step into a rigorous season. They will be fighting basically for their playoff lives at that point. By the way, individual facilities are opening up. What are your sources say on how that's landing with players? Some open, some don't.

Is there a sense of unfairness or that's the reality of the pandemic? That's the reality. Everybody understands, you know, it's not going to be fair all across the board. You have to remember, Colin, not all players are participating in and going. into their facility right now. There are still players who feel uncomfortable with going there with all the measures. You know, you've got to be 12 feet away from your spotter if you're getting weight training. So, you know, I spoke with C.J. McCollum about it last week,

put a Star Guard for the Portland Trailblazers. And he said, like, can you really get a proper work, work regimen in with those type of restrictions? And if those restrictions are in place, if that's what's needed, is it even worth it to go to the facility and to get the work done? Is it worth going through all that hassle, possibly coming up with something and taking it home to your loved ones? So there are still guys out there that's kind of skeptical, and they're going to stay home and get their work done that way. But as a right now, you know, it's optional.

If you want to go, you can go. LeBron James. Do you believe he's one of the voices that wants to go back? Yes. He's definitely one of the voices who wants to return. And I will say this. He wants to return under the proper safety standards. matters, but all superstars, all those superstars that were on that call want to return.

And I will say this, Colin, it's significant because of the weight and influence that these players have. You know, if the superstar players are saying, like, we need to get out there and play, that's going to hold significant weight when they're going back to their peers until giving them the pros and cons of playing versus not playing. So that's why it's significant, you know, because those guys right now, I would expect Chris Paul to relay the message to Adam Silver in the league, the voice, you know, the voice their decision-making process and what they discussed on that call Monday.

And so I think right now we're, it's still up to the health experts to decide if this is a go or not. But I think for the most part, we probably will have the players on board. All right, Chris Haynes covering the NBA for over a decade. We appreciate it. Go read his article, Yahoo Sports. Thanks, Chris. Appreciate it. Thanks, Colin.

You bet. We are back in studio today, Chris. obviously at his place, so where most people are. So we feel great gratitude and safety, actually, here in our Fox lot. Good to have you and Scott Boris. Legendary baseball agent will be joining us top of next hour to talk about baseball situation, which I thought optically wasn't ideal. Too much talk about revenue share when you're looking at 15% unemployment.

But in fairness, when you get into these negotiations, you start at a point often to get you to another point. So you want strong voices and kind of. of strong feelings on what matters to your players if you represent them, if you're an agent or a head of a players association. It can sometimes be strategic because you're trying to get to a place. I will say this in regards to the NBA. You know, every sport in my life has a different culture. Baseball has the longest contracts. They're guaranteed and there's no salary cap. Football, it's run by the owners and the GMs. Even stars can get cut without much of a punitive cap hit. The NBA doesn't have the long contracts like baseball. You can't be cut,

but it is star-driven. And in my life, the players get the coaches fired, not vice versa. So every sport is different. MLS, nobody's talking about. I saw some MLS practices yesterday. Soccer feels like to me you use your feet, not your hands. That kind of stuff matters. I think hockey, nobody touches the puck. You've got glass around the rink. Everybody wears gloves. I will say this about the pandemic. And I find this to be the case in crisis. We know very little. I mean, Florida has been less restrictive.

Their death and infection rates much lower to northern states with a much more strict guideline on opening up. We don't know. Like everything else, it's become a political balloon and it wears me out. We really know very little. America's ready to get back to work. New economy, you need companies like, NetSuite by Oracle, the world's number one cloud business system.

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It just feels a little different being outside of your living room. Well, you've been in the studio, at least, the radio studio. Yeah, tiny, small, jammed up. Yeah, I'm in front of my bookcase at home. Yeah, it's been different. So we are back in the studio. The levels of disinfectant and sanitation have been remarkable here. Yes. I thought today they were taking a picture of me. They were actually taking my temperature. I did not know that. The equipment we have here is stunning. That is an impressive setup. I walked in and I said, they said, here's a picture. And I'm like, smile, hi. And they're like, your temperature's 98.6. And I'm like, how do you from 12 feet take my, I don't know.

We're high-tech around here. I have a new, we have a new temperature gauge. My wife bought at the store, like Target, and it just, you put it on your forehead, boom, one second, temperature. Yeah. It's incredible. You're just one second on my forehead. I don't even understand that.

It's a little more comfortable than the old thing down your throat, gagging, and it's incredible. Scott Boris is going to be coming up in a couple of minutes. You know, the Jordan documentary, the star of it's obviously Michael Jordan. I think the co-stars are his parents. If you look at who we consider great leaders, sports does not have a shortage of talent. It's got a shortage of leaders. We consider Belichick a great leader. Phil Jackson's been an incredible leader.

Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Derek Jeter, MJ. What are they all in common? Great parents. Through no fault of your own, sometimes there's a void there. You don't have the dad on you a little bit more than makes you comfortable. you don't have the mom supporting you. Michael Jordan had great parents. I asked David Falk, his longtime agent,

about some gambling issues, and if he worried ever about Michael in the gambling, and he started talking about his parents. I was concerned more about the impact on his image because he's squeaky clean. It doesn't come from good parents. His parents are amazing people, and if you want to know in the dock,

where he got that incredible competitive fire, just look to Dolores and James. They constantly urge him. urged him to continue to get better, not as a player, as a human being, to constantly improve. They're really amazing people. The need for constant public affection and adoration on Twitter and social media is actually a cry for help. You don't have a good base. The two best leaders, in my opinion right now in American sports, guys that aren't affected

by outside voices, often laugh and roll their eyes at criticism, Steph Curry and Russell Wilson. There's two rumors today on Russell Wilson. Cam Newton's going to be your backup. You were almost traded to Cleveland. He's got no response. He never does because he's securing himself because he knows he has great support at home.

Similarly with Steph Curry. How many players are confident enough in themselves to recruit Kevin Durant, knowing you're the second best player on your team, you're going to get less shots, and if you do win titles, you won't the glare. You won't get the love. That's an incredibly stable, secure human being. And that is

Steph Curry. And that is Russell Wilson. And that is Derek Jeter. Come on over, Arad. Come on over. When I see people on the internet that need constant affection and attention on social media, it generally tells me they're missing something. With MJ, he had his issues. But if you look at his life and you look at his career, he always overcame the the hurdles because he always had this incredibly strong base at home. And I'm not blaming athletes. Sometimes it has nothing to do with you. It has to do with the environment you're raised in.

But I don't think it's a coincidence when you look at Phil Jackson and Nick Saban and Belichick and Jeter and MJ and Magic and Manning and Brady, the not just talented, like great all-time leaders. Great support at home. It matters. And by the way, I asked Russell Wilson about a month ago he was on the show. I asked him about the support he had at home. My grandfather, you know, who's the president of Norfolk State for 22 years, you know,

and that had to lead a lot of people, you know. And then my dad, you know, went to Dartmouth, graduated from there. I went to UVA law school, you know, president of his class and stuff. Wow. But I think more than anything, you know, what my parents taught me is they gave me an imagination. They really let me believe and write out my vision. and talk to me and set goals and write out goals and have a plan. You know, I think a lot of times a lot of people, a lot of kids, especially this generation,

we don't have a strategy, we don't have a plan, you know, and we don't have this vision. And then we lose it. Because we don't have a plan, we don't understand the work ethic part behind the plan. Yeah. I mean, it's really amazing the support he has. I knew of his grandfather being a president of a university, but dad is Dartmouth, graduate school at UVA, one of the great law schools in America. So I think that's what's jumped out to me with The Last Dance.

Michael's obviously great. The other thing that jumps out to me, and I've tried to use this with my kids, is think about how great Michael Jordan is. The look, the polish, the game, the refinement, the smarts. Look at all the obstacles he had to face. It's incredible how many obstacles Michael Jordan had to face. And the last dance isn't just about a basketball player. It's about the value of relentlessness, toughness, willfulness.

That's where Jordan blows me away. Because if life's tough for Michael Jordan and Michael Jordan had doubters, who doesn't? I mean, it's incredible. He wanted to wear Adidas' shoes. Adidas wasn't interested. He preferred converse. They weren't interested. He didn't want to go to Nike.

By the way, he didn't want to go to Nike. he wasn't going to go to Nike, where he now makes more still today, double, triple, quadruple what LeBron does. Who is the person in his life that told him to go to Nike? His mom. No mom, no dad. He doesn't go to Nike and he's not the richest athlete in our lives in America. He leaned on mom. Mom's there.

Mom's wisdom. Mom's strength. Mom support. So, you know, we always talk about sports has a bunch of plays. players and a bunch of athletes. And they're amazing. But the two guys that kind of blow me away, and LeBron's terrific, but I'm always blown away by Steph Curry and I'm always blown away by Russell Wilson.

Because one thing that gets athletes really chapped, really upset, is a lack of respect. LeBron gets a ton of respect. I mean, we argue whether he's the first or second best player ever. That's respect. You know, he gets a lot of money. Steph, we argue, he's not really the best player in his own team. I mean, they don't win these championships without Kevin Durant. and yet he just he smiles and laughs it off.

That is somebody who's securing himself. Russell Wilson this week, the two rumors, Seahawks didn't want him. Won't even comment on it. Probably won't even comment on it. Really impressive. It's good to have you today. So Scott Boris is going to join us in our next segment on the baseball situation. What I'm interested is the NFL, the optics on the NFL have been this.

us a state that the lettuce plan will play. The optics with the NBA is, as long as we're safe, we'll play. I thought the optics yesterday and the day before we're baseball with, you know, we'd play, but we want more money. Fair or not, that's how it landed to me and lots of other people. And Scott Barros is responsible for over a billion dollars of contracts. Once again, the most powerful man in baseball, not named the commissioner. He will be joining us next.

Want more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHard radio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Well, it's good to have you in. Listen, I've been saying this in terms of the pandemic. There's very little I know outside of, I think we need lots and lots of testing. I think social distancing matters. It's already become a political football here going back and forth. That's the reality of everything in our country. It used to be with whether you could say it's nice out. Now if I say it's nice out, I'm liberal because I believe in global warming. It's a ridiculous at times country we live in. And so I do think sports is really kind of a visceral,

connectable platform where all of us, we feel better about our towns and ourselves and our communities. And I think sometimes people try to marginalize sports. And I think this is illustrating just how important sports are, whether it's high school, football in a small town, college basketball in Lawrence, Kansas, or Major League Baseball in New York, Los Angeles, or Baltimore. I think it matters. I think it always has. There's a connectivity. And with that, we bring on a sport. We're crossing our fingers return. Scott Boris, the founder, owner, president of the Boris Corporation, responsible for over a billion dollars in baseball contracts. So, Scott, let's start with this. we have a economic reality of a 15% unemployment staring us in the face.

And while we want baseball back, it did feel to me, just my opinion, a little unseemly talking about billionaires and millionaires and revenue sharing. Are you at all concerned that that stuff goes public and the optics aren't great on that discussion publicly now? Well, good afternoon, Colin. and I hope you and your family and your staff are well. You know, the players really, and Tony Clark and the Major League Baseball Players Association, they kind of rolled up their sleeves in March because we wanted to avoid this very issue.

And the Major League Baseball approached the union and the players, and certainly with the strong support of the players I represent, they reached an accord. They reached an agreement as to the union. to how they would handle the, you know, the 2020 season. And that was a major compromise because players took really, really agreed to a 30 to 50% salary cut by doing so. But really in light of the public health issue and creating a harmony to go forward, that agreement was reached in late March.

It's something that, you know, we're, as Tony Clark has stated, and certainly with the support of the players I represent, that that agreement is operative and what we will work off of in going forward in the 2020 season. But the owners now are pushing back on that and explain to my audience what the owners want now because they initially agree to that knowing there's not going to be any fans. The owner said we get it. They accepted your initial proposal. Your clients did. But now the owners are pushing back. Explain where they're pushing back that you're not comfortable with. Well, in the agreement, there are dynamics that allow for considerations and good faith discussion

between the union and the players and the owners about they anticipated playing without fans. They anticipated playing in neutral sites. all these things were the same condition. Matter of fact, the pandemic may have been worse considerations because of the unknowns in March than it is today. So all those dynamics were looked at, and there's provisions in the agreement that allow for evaluative processes

to determine whether or not games can be played. And so this is something that's all within the confines of the agreement. Now, in fairness, there's been a lot of speculation about plans and such that I am told from the players and from the union that those have not been presented. There's just been early discussions. I think any attempt to privatize the gains and socialize the losses, if you will, is that we have to look at Major League Baseball and look at it in the last 10 years and say, You know, the Atlanta Braves were bought for $450 million. They're now worth $1.8 billion. The Cleveland Indians were purchased for $323 million.

They're now worth, you know, $1.1 billion. If, you know, the Atlanta Braves revenues are public because they're a publicly owned company. In 2016, they had roughly $262 million in revenues. Last year, they had $476 million in revenues, a $215 million gain. And when you're a business owner as a my, you have situations in your business that are upstart, and there are situations that are difficult. And you certainly don't go to your salaried employees and expect them to basically spread the losses during bad years alone, but not participate in the gains.

So I think that concept is something that by general aspect, We've got to look at Major League Baseball is very, very successful. We're having a difficult year because of the pandemic and the players have compromised by reducing their salaries dramatically and the number of games they play to accommodate them. And I think it's something that when we look at how we harmonize the public health issue and the need to function, I think the players in the union have appropriately reached out and accommodated early in this process to avoid any issues. Could I make the argument that because of the scarcity of sports, if you watch UFC last weekend, the most bet card, the most viewed, one of the most viewed cards, we have such scarcity that baseball coming back, I could certainly argue baseball over the last 15 years of my life, has lost a little bit of social water cooler currency in my space, the opinion space on sports networks, that with a scarcity, if baseball came back, you gave up a few more things, value for the sport going forward would outweigh losses in the short term. There is a macro view here that baseball could be a discussion point in America, nothing else on the table, and that it's worth losing a little bit day-to-day in negotiations

for a short time, one year. I think your point is very well stated, Colin, and a, and a, appropriate and accurate. You know, you'd have to ask, you know, what would a league really pay or subsidized to have their sport on television by itself essentially? And have everyone, that new generation, everyone watch it. Remember, we're with the pandemic, our goal is to keep people isolated, to keep people at home and have a reason for them to stay at home because they want to watch fresh content.

You know, I live in Los Angeles, and there are about 800,000 people in the industry of creating content that are not working. And there will not be fresh content for a while because of that. And so providing Major League Baseball, you may have it on prime time at nights because the fact is that the audience will want to see something that is new and real and normalizing and part of the American way of. life. So I think it's a tremendous opportunity for the game to advance itself and also provide, in effect, a new level of interest among a group of fans that they did not reach prior to the pandemic. Scott Morris joining us. You would obviously, in your world, the players should do less sacrificing than baseball as a whole to do that, which, of course, a sport always has more capital than individual players or agents, and I'm not going to debate that.

I do wonder, getting past the financial issues with your clients, is health still a concern, Scott, or are they looking at data points with this pandemic where professional athletes perhaps are the safest people, if you could weigh in on players' concerns about health and also one or two centralized locations, is that still a pushback? But, you know, players don't want to be away from their families for six months. So let's talk health number one and number two, centralized location. Certainly, you know, we've been fortunate, you know, I studied pharmacology prior to becoming a lawyer. But you learn from medicine about models.

And you learn that if you have models, you can work off them and you can learn a great deal from them. And the one thing we know from the medical professionals that have had a chance to, to address and speak to the players I represent is that the age of the is very, very important in this pandemic and treatment of the virus, is that first class physical condition is very important. Having no underlying medical conditions, being tested daily is important. And we found that they did a study in baseball with Stanford and USC where because of the isolation of spring training and right thereafter they did the study. And the incidence of people with the virus was well less than 1%. And that was some players and some administrative people. So we know that the

isolation aspect and being in a smaller group and being around going to and from the ballpark, we know that those things are helpful because obviously you're not in the general population anywhere near as much as you would maybe be by going to the grocery store. Right. So the other thing we have is that we have Taiwan, Korea, Japan. We have soccer teams, the Bundesliga. We have many, many models that have been operating for 60 to 90 days, and we've gotten a lot of information about what they're doing and how they've done it.

And again, we've had a survival rate of 100%. We've had a few of any hospitalizations. And so we've had to isolate players who've gotten. the virus, but essentially we're seeing, as far as jurisdictions, Arizona is now allowing for sports teams to work out in their areas, as long as there's no fans. And so we're, this virus is certainly jurisdictional. It has different impacts in different areas. And I think in professional sports, we can adjust to that and really look at this day to day. And really, we have to create a harmony. We have to create a harmony between the public health issue needs and also the

need for function to mitigate the social detriments of the health issue. And, you know, mental health, isolation, people working, the economy, all of this have to be a common approach. And I know the baseball players I represent is that they are, they've received enough medical information. They've got it from the professionals. They know that there's varied opinions. And, but on the other side, I think with their age group and what they know and the fact that they're going to get medical treatment at their facilities daily and be tested daily or so often. I think they're certainly comfortable with continuing. If I said to you June 1st, spring training starts, June 1st, two and a half weeks from now, realistic or unrealistic? Well, those decisions, of course, are really related to the players union and MLB and, and,

and the players themselves. But my feeling, Colin, is that when you're around elite athletes your whole life and you're around people that are extraordinary at what they do, their routines and what they do are very, very important. And we've had an unusual interruption, unlike any time. People have talked about when players didn't play during strikes, but players were out working out. They were doing things normally.

They were around players playing, catch, throwing, doing their routine activities. In this situation, players have been removed because they've been isolated. So for me, I believe we need more time for spring training.

We need a conditioning part of this, and we need more for these players to get their conditioning levels to a point, and before they even begin, their skill dynamic. And I'm hoping that whatever date that is, and I'm hoping it is June 1st,

the earlier, the better, I think, to get these players more time so they can return to a, performance level that they had prior to the pandemic. Are your clients working out right now even at home? Oh, yes. We have a sport fitness institute. We have our own training staff in our company, and we monitor what our players are doing weekly.

We have recorded what their practices were prior to the pandemic, and we're trying to do our best to simulate what they were doing, you know, through this. But obviously, now it's with states opening up and things, it's much easier for them to get out and do more normal things prior to spring training. Yeah. Where's your institute at, by the way, Scott? We have two of them, actually. We have one in California and one in Florida.

And our main offices, of course, are here in Newport Beach. All right. Good stuff, Scott Boros. Thank you for your time today and your patience with this stuff. I think we're all, I've never wanted to watch an Angels game more in my life, a Dodger game more in my life. So we're all rooting for it to happen, Scott. Thank you. Thank you, Colin.

And I think your point about sport being something about what American needs and it's normalcy. And I hope that all of us are working collectively to reach a resolve on this. But understand this is not going away, but our resolve shouldn't go. away either. Good stuff. Thank you, Scott. Good stuff, Scott Boros. Yeah, I mean, it's I think it's always easy to just say it's just sports. Folks, you feel better when your football team wins on Sunday. You feel better. There's some sort of effect it does on us. We feel better Monday. I'm watching that UFC card the other night. I'm just having the time of my life. Well, as he said, there's a mental health aspect to getting some sort of routine back as well.

No one's being flippant with the seriousness of the virus, but there are multiple sides to it. There's a mental health side to it, as he said, an economic side to it. And don't disregard. You know, we're talking about all these people not working. The sports industry, the entertainment industry, employs hundreds of thousands of people. Hundreds of millions of people. And by the way, nobody is being glib about it. But there is also a reality that young professional athletes are probably the safest Americans in terms of no underlying health conditions.

I consider myself to be in shape, and I'm not one-twentyth of a pro athlete, and I work out every day. So I think that has to be, that's real, that's honest, it may make some uncomfortable. But we know that a third of the deaths in America, I believe, are nursing homes and older Americans, often with underlying medical issues. Those are just facts. Those are just, that's just the truth. And so that has to be discussed and considered in all of this, Joy with the News. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.

Well, Russell Wilson is the quarterback of the Seahawks. Pretty good. He is their starter. He's pretty good. It doesn't mean they wouldn't consider bringing in a high profile backup. According to Jeremy Fowler, Seattle would reportedly be open to adding Cam Newton. They don't want to spend too much money on a second string passer, but it is being put out there as a possibility, a possible landing. It makes no sense. First of all, Russell never gets hurt. He doesn't have to be prod and polled. Yes. No, he's very, he's very reliable, very durable. And that doesn't mean that you shouldn't have a strong backup. I think that every team should be, should be planning to have a strong backup. I mean, Russell Wilson's position is completely secure. So bringing in Cam Newton to me is not going to push Russell Wilson. He's not somebody that needs extra motivation or a chip on a shoulder or some fire behind him to work harder. He does that on his own.

So I don't think that that's the issue. It's just a matter of having a skilled backup. You never know what can happen. You want to have a backup. They're not in a win now situation, but they're certainly going to be competing for a championship this year. So, I mean, everyone saw what happened with the Eagles, having Nick Foles there.

They won a Super Bowl. So I don't think that it's bad to have Cam Newton as a backup in that situation. I just don't think it's the right place for him. To me, it doesn't make, the place that makes the most sense is the place it's doing the least in regards to their backup quarterback situation, which is Pittsburgh. Oh, he's a perfect fit. And he actually, he plays a lot like Big Ben.

He plays like Big Ben. A lot of off script. Their backup situation is not reliable. It's not good enough to win that division. A lot of times you never have an opportunity to see what you have in your backup quarterbacks because you don't want to. Well, last year, you got to see exactly what you have in your backup quarterbacks in Pittsburgh.

And again, in that situation, similar to the Seattle situation, there's no concern about Ben not being the starter. That's been Rothersberg. team. Anything other than an injury is not going to remove Ben Rathesberger from the starting position. It's not going to happen in Pittsburgh where they bring in Cam Newton as a backup and Ben has a couple bad games and the whole city starts turning on Ben Rathesburger. It's not going to happen. So it would be a great situation if Cam Newton does end up having to be a backup to go to Pittsburgh. But Pittsburgh seems very secure in Mason Rudolph and Duck Hodges.

They must have been watching a different season last year. So the Cowboys have until July 15th to get a long-term deal done with Dak Prescott. So about two. months from now. Otherwise, he has to play under the franchise tag. And Donovan McNabb believes there could be a problem in Dallas if they can't get DAC signed before any other quarterback gets their big deal. Pay the man. Pay the man. Because I'm going to tell you one thing, you franchise him, then all of a sudden he throws. Say he has a half of James Winston season and y'all make it to the NFC championship game or the second round of playoff. And he passed for 5,000 yards and 35 touchdown and maybe about 12 to 13 picks. You know how much money he's going to

for you think it's a problem now it's going to be it's going to be a major problem if deshawn Watson and or patrick Mahomes signed their contract well that's that's the best case scenario right like in that situation you're kind of happy to pay back Prescott right course yeah he throws for 38 touchdowns and has nine picks then you're like yes we got mike McCarthy yeah it was a jason it was a jason garrett issue it wasn't a DAC issue right so but again i mean i don't think that they they want that obviously but they still would like to have a reasonable contract with Jack Prescott. But that's kind of his point.

Like if they happen to get a contract done with him sooner and then he has that season, well, then you're in the absolute best case scenario because you wouldn't have to pay him the Sean Watson or Patrick Mahomes money. You have him under contract and he still has a great season. But again, a contract conversation will never end. And you know what? If they franchise tag him, we get another year of this fun stuff. So Tom Brady and Payton Manning are teaming up with Phil Mickelson and Tiger Woods for a charity golf match on May 24th.

Yeah. Brady typically got the best of Manning during their football careers. And when he was asked, he was sick of beating Peyton. He said, no, are you kidding me? Eli is the one that I'm actually happy. I'm not playing. It's a little humor rather. Eli getting the best of him than two Super Bowl.

I would think, I didn't know Brady was a huge golfer. I don't know he was. I feel like I knew he golfed. I don't know that he was a huge. Aaron Rogers golfs. That I know. Aaron Rogers is a golfer. Does he?

Yeah, I think Aaron. I think Alex Smith was a little bit of a golfer. Aaron Rogers was a golfer. Most football guys are golfers. Are they? You're not a big golfer, right? I'm a tennis player. I'll hit golf balls, but I just don't have five hours of time.

And I'm not going to join an expensive. I try to learn how to play golf. You got to have a lot of patience. I have no, zero patience. Tennis is great. I play for an hour. I get a good sweat. I go out of a beer, shower.

I'm done. Tennis. The only thing that worries me about tennis is the knees. Yes. No, it bangs your knees up. You play it on concrete. Payton will team up with Tiger Woods against Brady and Phil Mickelson

at the match Champions for Charity and it will be raising $10 million for COVID-19 relief and, of course, it will be played without fans in attendance. Joy with News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lie News. By the way, coming up in Best for Last,

we'll play a little addition of Would You Rather, I love this game. Russell Wilson or Tom Brady. That is coming up next. And I've never realized how good. I always knew our makeup and hair people were exceptional. Yes. We miss you guys. Boy, do we. Want more herd?

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and I have to make a choice on this best for last. You ready to go, Joy? Let's do it. All right. Would you rather Bill Belichick makes a Super Bowl or Tom Brady makes a Super Bowl? I would rather Tom Brady makes the Super Bowl. First of all, it's so insulting to insinuate

that Brady won because of a system. We all acknowledge, I mean, Belichick's, we acknowledge, he's the best football coach ever. But there are people that during his run said Aaron Rogers was better than Tom Brady because Tom Brady was a system guy. So if Tom Brady wins a Super Bowl, we'll acknowledge Belichick's still great,

nobody denies it. Right. Best coach ever. And then we'll say, okay, it wasn't a system. So it's a win for Tom, not necessarily over Belichick, but a validation of Tom's greatness,

which shouldn't be argued. I think it's so much more interesting if Tom makes a Super Bowl. He's a more fun person. Well, and everything else you just said. So the Bengals make the playoffs or the Browns make the playoffs, would you rather? I'm seen as anti-both.

I'd rather the Browns make the playoffs. Number one, I picked them. I'd rather be right than wrong, although it's not the end of the day. But I would say this. If the Browns make the playoffs, it's because they have a bunch of good players. If the Bengals make the playoffs,

it's probably because Lamar Jackson got hurt and Big Ben came back and got hurt. They don't have a good enough roster to win it. So if they won it, there'd have to be some weird circumstances that Cincinnati won the division, like multiple injuries, star players and other teams, and that's not good for the sport.

So Tua starts week one or Justin Herbert starts week one, would you rather? Tua starts week one. First of all, I think he has an it quality. He's already selling more home jerseys than any NFL player. And frankly, the Miami Dolphins have a rich history. I miss the dolphins being good. So do I. There's a glamour to the dolphins.

The Chargers don't have even in Los Angeles. Miami's a glamour franchise. It's almost like Miami Hurricane football. It's nothing against Clemson. But if you told me, Alabama was great, and there could be one other program that's great out east, I would say Miami Hurricanes, because there's glamour to them. I think Tua's got some glamour.

I think the dolphins have some glamour. So if he could start early, and they finished, they won five of their last nine, and we know their defense will be good because they spent money on it and their coach is excellent at it. So Tua wouldn't, you wouldn't have to be great to be a hit. The Eagles win the NFC East or any other teams when the NFC East, would you rather?

Eagles, would you rather? in the NFCEs, mostly because I picked him. And I also think in sports, excellence should be rewarded. I think their owner's excellent, their GM's excellent, their coach. I never thought Doug Peterson would be this good, this fast, and Carson Wentz is terrific. So what it would be telling you is if you've got all the mechanisms at the top of the franchise have their act together, it works. If Washington wins, it's telling you, you can have a goofy owner and win.

You don't have to be great at quarterback and win. I like a sport that rewards greatness. And Philadelphia's got B plus to A plus people at the top. Would you rather the Packers finish 12 and 4 or the Packers finished 4 and 12? Oh, that's an easy one. Packers finished 12 and 4. They're on Fox. I mean, let's be honest about this.

I root for my company to succeed. If Green Bay is great, anytime I can take a small market on a network I work for, because I know the big markets can get ratings. But when Green Bay is good, it's great for Fox. We can put them on prime times. They drive our four o'clock window. They have a star quarterback. They have rich history.

There's no people get this confused. There's no value for Joy and I watching star quarterbacks get hurt or stink. I want Joe Burma Terado. There's no value in regular quarterbacks getting hurt. Yeah, it's bad football. Yeah. It's not good for anybody. So would you rather the Raiders finish 11 and 5 or the Raiders finish 5 and 11?

Raiders finishing 11 and 5 they would I would say Raiders finishing 11 and 5 because of this first of all I love Vegas right and we and we'd probably talk more about Vegas I'd probably go more to Vegas but the other thing it would mean and this is really important the Raiders are right now kind of a bottom seven or eight franchise they can't quite get it right it would mean wow one of the bottom franchises is now back near the top of the league and leagues are as good as their bottom. The NFL, when you got seven or eight drag shows going on, it just drags down the league because they're always playing good teams. So if the Raiders suddenly popped and became an elite franchise, you're like, okay, the bottom now is Jacksonville and Cincinnati. We'd have

no bottom in the league, and I think that's great for the NFL. Would you rather the Browns keep O'Dell or the Browns trade O'Dell? Trade O'Dell? First of all, Cleveland's got a million weapons. The whole OBJ Baker thing doesn't work. He was 23rd among wide receivers and receiving yards last year and tied for 42nd in receiving touchdowns. It's not working. I don't think it helps Baker Mayfield. And again, the NFL's better if Baker is winning. If Baker goes 4 and 12 again, the story's over. It didn't work. He's Johnny Mansell. It doesn't, nobody cares. So, and I think Odell would be spectacular in a couple of big market cities. I think he's a, there are certain athletes, Shaq was one. Shack was way better in.

LA than Orlando or Phoenix. You know, Shaq, Shaq is big. Shack needs to play in a big space. Joan Namath wouldn't have been interesting in Jacksonville. Joe Namath in New York was fascinating. You know what I mean?

Brett Farve was great when he played for an iconic Packer franchise. The Jets thing felt wrong. Second biggest franchise in New York. Odell, to me, 49ers. By the way, Miami Dolphins with Tuwa, Pittsburgh Steelers.

It just feels bigger for the league. Would you rather Tom Brady has his first losing season or Russell Wilson has his first losing season? Tom Brady. First of all, if Brady has a losing season, nobody's going to think less of him. Nobody thinks less of Michael Jordan because of the Wizards. Nobody. If Russell Wilson has a losing season, all these ridiculous people who think he's overrated are going to have, yap, yap, chirp, chirp, I think there will be some sense that he's overrated.

If Brady loses, it's like, well, the difference. Division's great. New Orleans got better players. I mean, if he goes seven and nine, we're not selling the farm on that. It's like, yeah, it's, yeah. There you go. There you go. Would you rather?

Odell and Miami would be amazing. What would be Odell in Miami? Yes. Yeah, they're actually, they're actually pretty good at wide receiver. Yeah. The dolphins, their defense will be better. Anytime you have a coach and his specialty, do you notice, you notice what he did. Brian Flores went out.

he's going to draft the side of the ball he's not an expert in, but he got veterans under the side of the ball he is well aware of. So Brian's going to enhance, well, Brian Flores and the Dolphins, all they said this offseason, if we lose, we're going to lose close, because we're not going to give up points. We're going to make, and I think that's really smart. What they're basically saying is when Tua starts, we're not asking him to win shootouts.

When Tua comes in and plays, we give up 22 points a game. If he loses, we're not asking. him to throw 40 times. You know, that's what Andrew Luck dealt with. Got to win shoot so you can't win. What does that mean? 36 pass attempts, you get your ribs blistered. So if Tua can come in and the defense is good, we create a running game, we upgrade the offense, we don't ask Tua to throw 34 times. So I think the Dolphins actually, we said this last year, it was the best tanking team of all time. Well, they were establishing a culture. So it really didn't feel like they were tanking once the season started. At the beginning, it was like, they're going to be

the worst team in the league. And then, of course, we knew that Cincinnati did a better job at that. I told you, I thought Brian Flores was the rare losing record deserved coach of the year consideration. If you consider what they did, he looks like the first Belichick guy. By the way, I don't understand why Belichick's assistants don't copy him. Like Flores went out and copied him. Culture, not going to pay a fortune for my quarterback. I will pay for defense at corner. and linebackers crucial. So he gets Byron Jones. I'll pay five.

Belichick will do that. And we need a really good secret sauce linebacker Van Nuoy, high IQ to run the defense. And accumulate draft picks. It was just like Belichick does. All right, good stuff, Joy. Good show.

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