The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Cam Newton, Tua Tagovailoa, Rose Bowl, Rex Ryan, and the Patriots

Episode Date: April 3, 2020

Filling in for Colin, Doug Gottlieb discusses Cam Newton still not being signed, Tua Tagovailoa appearing to be healthy, the 2006 Rose Bowl, Rex Ryan's comments about Amari Cooper, and the Patriots being hated by so many people. Guests include Geoff Schwartz, and Joel Klatt. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. What up? Welcome in. This is the herd. Wherever you may be in, however you may be making this part of your day, live from Los Angeles. Doug Gottlieb in for Colin on a Friday. Hope you having a good day. What are you got playing this weekend?

Probably the same thing you're doing today. Probably the same thing you did yesterday. Same thing you did before. Who would have known that Groundhog Day? Not the day, Groundhog Day. The movie Groundhog Day would be such epic foreshadowing for our own lives. Welcome in. Doug Gatleyman for Colin.

Last night, they replayed one of the great college football games of all time. I'll tell you why it reminded me of a Will Ferrell movie, not just because Will Ferrell used to stop by USC's practices. White, it reminded me a Will Ferrell movie upcoming in just 15 minutes. Got a great show for you. Rex Ryan has used a word that Twitter will free. out about. But I think when we contextualize it, we understand

what he's talking about, whether or not he should have said it or shouldn't have said it. I'm sure he's going to be chastised as the worst human being on earth by the end of the day if it's not already happening. We'll get to that with Jeff Schwartz half past the hour. Let me start with this. Two stories which in it of themselves. Two stories which

in it of themselves, if you just told the story you go like, that makes that makes sense. But when you combined the two stories, well, now all of a sudden, things get really weird. It's like you're not telling us, you're not telling us everything, right? Well, let's start with one story. Toa Tavala Loga, who, of course, is the star quarterback of Alabama, suffered that gruesome

hip injury, which shortened his third and final season at Alabama, declared for the NFL draft and now waiting to be drafted. But we keep getting updates every other week, and granted part of it is his representation Tua is good to go. Matter of fact, that was the report we got as of yesterday. Tua is a hundred percent go, totally fired up, ready to play right now. Now, some of this is ambitious from his agent. Some of it is just reacting to the fact that he got another checkup from the NFL combine who sent some people out to go see him. And all reports are the hip is healing as well or better than possibly expected. Okay, so Tua looks like he'll be a top five draft pick, could go as high as two, more than likely three through five, won't fall out of the top ten. Keep in mind, no NFL team has been able to get their eye on him in person since the combine.

They haven't been able to work him out. And this is an injury where no NFL quarterback has ever come back from and been productive, let alone been a starter or a star. That's Tuotivai Loga, who will be a top 10 pick in the upcoming NFL draft. That's one story. Here's the other one. Cam Newton, a former league MVP who's been mired with injuries. Remember he had the car accident that he missed some games four years ago? Remember the picture of Cam Newton who was upside down?

His car flipped is upside down in his car. Cam Newton who's been an NFL MVP. And look, everything that essentially, everything that Tua has accomplished, Cam has accomplished even more. He two won a national championship in college. He was actually a Heisman trophy winner. Tua was not.

He was the number one pick of the NFL draft. He's been in the league MVP and he's played in a Super Bowl. Yet despite that, we're told because of the injuries that he's sustained, shoulder and to a lesser extent his legs, but mostly shoulder. He doesn't have a home, doesn't have a contract. tracked out their offer for him. He right now is a, forget about positionless sport.

He is a teamless player, not a guy in his team. So I want you to think about that for a second. Cam, it's explainable. Doctors can't get their eyes or hands on him. He can't work out for them. And even though we're told he's fine, they had, you know, the Panthers and independent doctors examined him. Granted, though, that's not usually enough for teams.

want their own guy to get out there, but teams haven't been able to send their guy out to see Tua, yet Tua is going to be a top 10 pick, and Cam doesn't have a team. Am I willing to believe that some of it is finances? Sure. Cam's a star. Cam was set to make 19 million. He wants not only a deal upwards of 19 million. He likely wants multiple years guaranteed. Whereas a rookie contract, you're talking about on the lower side of things, not $10 million, no matter where you're draft in the draft, especially if you're drafted three through five. It's guaranteed money for four years, but it's not nearly the money that you're making if you're a free agent, former MVP quarterback who's only 30 years old.

Cam Newton's absence from an NFL roster is explainable. They held on to him kind of long. He likely wants a multi-year contract. He's had a couple of injuries. But Cam Newton is not on a roster. Tua will be on a roster. And if you don't think that tells you more about all the other parts of Cam Newton and all the other parts of Tua at Tavaologa, you're not paying attention.

Right? That's what it. I pointed this out time and again, it doesn't mean that, it doesn't mean that Cam Newton can't play football anymore. Let's be honest. Cam Newton, if healthy, can likely play football at a pretty high level. But what is how much are you willing to invest in a guy who's been hurt most of the last four years, specifically the last two years?

And the biggest part of his injury has been his shoulder, which he had kind of an awkward throwing motion at the end of his season. Two years ago, we thought it would fix last year, and it wasn't. He sat out most of the year. So I'm not saying he can't play football at all. Look, if he can't throw a football right, he won't be able to play. But if he's healthy, he can play football. But what does it say about Cam that his overall?

old head coach, Ron Rivera, who's now in Washington with the Redskins, made a trade for a quarterback in Carolina, and that quarterback wasn't Cam Newton. What is the league telling us about Cam Newton? His old head coach, and heck, even Brandon Bean, we'll tell you what Brandon Bean's been talking about. Brandon Bean is the GM of the bills. He came from Carolina. So to Chaw McDermott, the head coach, came from Carolina. I know they have Josh Allen, he's the starter, but let's not act like Josh Allen's torn up the world.

And maybe you don't want to have a veteran with the type of legacy and image that Cam Newton has. But if you need a backup quarterback, like in the old, who's better? Cam Newton or Matt Barkley, it ain't close. Right? That said, it's not like they're reaching out for Cam Newton. Skins don't want Cam Newton. Panthers don't want Cam Newton. All of these teams would take a shot at two of a dozen.

to buy a logo. Now, is it because he's younger? I guess. It tells you about all the other things with Cam that no one wants to talk about. Can he fit into somebody else's team, somebody else's system? Can he evolve as a quarterback? Can he become more accurate? Will he accept a lesser role? Does he always have to have attention? I think if you want to correlate him to anybody, it would probably be to Alan Iverson, where he is a former league MVP, and yet the league will probably retire him early. I don't think this is a retirement off-season,

but I do think it's an off-season where if you don't figure out that the league isn't that into you, you're not paying attention. Tua has a hip injury that caused the end of Bo Jackson's career. Granted, the surgery is different, the treatment is different.

We're 20 years removed from that happening, so you would expect the rehab to go better, to be smoother, to be less invasive than the rehab was when Bo Jackson got hurt. That said, people don't seem to be nearly as hesitant about drafting Tua as they do about signing Cam Newton. And Cam is a far more accomplished, more polished NFL quarterback who's been an NFL MVP and been a Heisman trophy winner and won a national championship. And whatever you're going to get him for, you're not going to pay top dollar. And yet no one seems to be interested.

If that doesn't tell you about what the league thinks of Cam Newton, the by language, the persona, the ego, the lack of accuracy. The lack of flexibility as a player. Maybe football intelligence. I don't know. Nothing else will. Nothing else will. Two guys. Same sport.

Different injuries, but essentially same situation and completely different outlook as of now on the upcoming NFL season. At Gottlieb show is the Twitter handle. You can always hit us up on Twitter when you want. Just radio only today. So we're all in our skibbies from the waist down. Just celebrating a radio day here on Fox Sports. Sports Radio and the IHeart Radio app. Coming up next, I'm going to tell you what we learned about college football and the NFL

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insurance is a good thing too because having a home is hard work go to geico.com get a quote see how much you could save guyco.com easy uh last night texas versus USC um that was 2006 one of the great college football games of uh of our time in terms of championship games i pointed out that if you know the rose bowl if you know southern california sports i could make the case that john barnes was actually had actually even better game in the Rose Bowl against USC. Final score was like 38, 37. He threw for over 200 yards in the fourth quarter alone.

That was Todd Mernovich, Kishon Johnson, John Barnes, and JJ Stokes was the star wide receivers. Anyway, that's a much too L.A. story. For a national game to have SC back-to-back national champions that ESPN before the game was crowned as the crowning as the greatest team of all time. And Texas, led by Vince Young, who, you know, like there's three, essentially the top three Heisman Vost getters on the field at the same time.

Linerd who had won it the previous year, Reggie Bush who won it that year, and Vince Young, who finished second. There's a lot of misremembering a bunch of different stuff I'll get to in a second. But one, I love it, and I'll tell you why. tell you why not no not because i'm a u s c hater even though my brother and sister went to ucla um it's not like i'm sitting here loving on texas and and texas and the great high school coaches in the state of texas right that's what that's what mac brown i always used to say men we texas the great high school coaches in the state of texas anyway keith jackson on the call

you're just sitting there going like i forgot how awesome like ron franklin was I had a great voice, great pipes. He called my games when I was in the Big 12, but he was like a mini Keith Jackson. I don't want to say poor man's because he was super talented, but Keith Jackson is, was, will always be college football. That's no disrespect to the guys who do it now. There's a lot of really, really good ones.

Gus does it for us on Fox Sports 1. Fox, he's awesome. But Keith Jackson, we got one here, Bruin. Didn't he say that? No one that way said? In the third quarter, it's pretty awesome. Here's how I feel about the replays of the championship games.

Goulet, were you at the other place when they came through promoting semi-pro? No, not yet, I don't think. Not yet. Okay. So here's my Will Ferrell story. semi-pro came out and won you a year. I got to look this up. Semipro was a Will Ferrell that came out in 2008.

So in 2008, I come into, there was a green room at the digital center. Now, the digital centers were all the big shows emanated out of. We were on sports center that morning in college basketball and whatever. And Will Ferrell was on the early morning sports center. And he had a kind of an entourage with him. And that's a place unlike any other TV place where, at least when we were there, the green room was never, wasn't like there's anything glamorous about the green room. It was a small confined space right next to. There was a little makeup room in it.

There was a couple of TVs on the wall, then one big TV. And that was it. It was just off a hallway. It was a good place to come and get a little silence instead of being in the car wash of going through all the shows. So there's this food that's sitting out there. Keep in mind, there's never food that's free at ESPN. So Tom Brennan, the former Vermont coach and I, are in the screen room. We're looking at the food, look at each other, look at the food, look at each other.

All of a sudden, in walks Will Ferrell. And he's got all his buddies with him. He's got Kent Alterman with him. Kent Alterman actually directed the movie. And if you remember, semi-pro is a comedic look at, the ABA. Woody Harrelson's in it. Will Arnett's in it. Andy Richter's in it. I'm sure, you know, it's the, in the vein of Blades of Glory in Talladega Knights. It was the basketball. It was the basketball movie. So all his buddies are, are with a minute. And Jackie Moon is the star.

That's Will Farrell. And I said, hey, can I, they, you know, they walk in, don't touch that food. You know, we're like freaking out. We're just kidding. I said, can I ask you guys one question? Will said, yes. One question. No, no, no. One question. That's all you get.

You get one question. It's like, all right. So maybe before I asked this question, okay? And before I asked this question, Tewy, if you had a chance to ask Will Ferrell one question, what would have been? Good question, Doug. You only get one question, right? You don't want to screw this thing up. Yeah.

I'd ask if he was related to the drummer with red hot chili peppers because they're clearly brothers. Okay, fair enough. My question that I asked, and you guys tell me if it's a good one is, hey, Will, look, and you know, this is like one of those. I'm a fan, obviously, fan boy, want to ask a question. Why are your movies better the second and third and fourth time I see him as opposed to the first time I see? Right? Is that a fair question to ask? I mean, I remember Talladega Nights.

We almost walked out of the theater. Now, if I throw on Talladega Nights, I can't stop laughing. Can't stop laughing. The same, you know, Anchorman, first time you saw Anchorman or even Anker Man, too, you're like, that's not funny. Then you go back and watch it. Wow, there's some really, really funny stuff in there. Very funny stuff.

So they started laughing and said, we call it layering. What do you mean layering? Well, the first time you see a movie, you're why? watching the movie. You don't know what's going to happen next and you're trying to find out even though you may not be that into the plot. You're still, your brain works for you're trying to figure out the plot and who's going to win and how he's going to win and et cetera, et cetera. After that, after that, the second and third time, you just start picking up on all the funny stuff we're doing. And the way they film a movie, every time they try and do something, everybody does

something else different to try and be, oh, that's funny. And when they try and top each other. They call it layering. That's what you get when you watch. one of these old games. Todd McShay, who looked like he was 15 on the sideline. I think people forgot that Reggie Bush, remember the Reggie Bush, he pitched the ball trying lateral to a teammate. Otherwise, they would have been up 14-0.

People do forget that Landell White got the ball, fourth and one when SE had the ball. All they knew was the first down. Reggie Bush wasn't on the field. Wasn't on the field for fourth down. The Vince Young run for the game-winning touchdown was on fourth down. It was a fourth and five play. Like if SC gets a stop, the game is over. Over. And then when SC got the ball back, they didn't have any timeouts because they called a

timeout in the two-point conversion. So they hit Reggie Bush and they get on the other side of the field and then they jumbled mess play. Linear throws it incomplete, but they use up nine seconds and only they had eight left. Whereas they really could have thrown it over the middle of the field, taking a knee, got in the first down, clock automatically stopped, spike the football, or if they had a time out, call a time out, kick a field goal. Maybe the outcome is different. They couldn't do any of those things. My point is, there's lots of things you see the second time you watch a game,

the third time you watch a game, that you miss the first time because all you're worrying about is the outcome. Now the outcome, you'd be like, I remember Texas won. But how did they win? How did they win? Now, here's the other part you get from last night. Tui, you are a native Texan, right? And a longhorn fan.

Yes. Have you, look, there have been guys that have played great football games in big games. So I'm not going to sit here and say that Vince Young is the greatest college football player ever. But am I safe in saying in a big game? And that was a big game. That's arguably the biggest college football game of my lifetime, including Clemson, Alabama, whatever. just because S.E had won two in a row. They're playing essentially at home in the Rose Bowl,

playing against the Texas team. Both teams loaded with pros. I can't, he played about as well as any quarterback has played in that setting ever. Fair? Yeah, fair. And remember, like, the numbers now nowadays are off the charts. And that's the way it is. But back then, remember, when he rushed for 200 yards and threw for 200 yards,

that was massive. that was such a big deal and they're down 12 with six minutes to go you're thinking it's over right they're not going to come back and the way he did it it was just incredible I mean as far as like big games

so now right right so here's the thing and we have people that will they're like well can't we just give them the Heisman trophy now? No look you may not like the way the Heisman Trophy is decided but if you remember the last week of the college football season. Vince played against Texas A&M on the road. The Texas A&M was in the Big 12 then, and he did not play particularly well. The last game of the night was USC playing, and I think it was UCLA, and Reggie

Bush was otherworldly. Like he was so much better than everybody else in the field. It was stupid. So, like, look, if you want to do anything with the highsmen, give the damn thing back to Reggie. But don't tell me that because Vince was better in the championship game, look, if we want to change all the rules and all the Heismans should be dependent upon what you do in a bowl game, fine, but we're not, we've never done that before. We're probably not going to do that after. So here's my, here's the big takeaway is. Vince Young was about as good a college football quarterback as we've ever seen, about

its dominant. And, you know, if you watch, his throwing motion wasn't great. It wasn't like he was doing progression reads. But there are, I can't think of five guys that have been as or more. dominant at the quarterback, like Tommy Frazier was too. But as long as we understand getting ready for the NFL draft, that college success, even at the quarterback position, is not a determinant for how you're going to do in the pros. And it should be pointed out that Vince Young, who had some off-the-field issues, right?

He was running up like a $10,000 a month bill at Cheesecake Factory in Nashville. You know, he took a shot like every day at lunch at their bar. Like he had some personal demons there that he was working through. he was a pro bowler his rookie year but he just the league adjusted to him and he couldn't he didn't have that next year in him

but the point is I'm watching and you're thinking this guy's about as good as anybody I've ever seen play college football and he wasn't a good pro because it's a different sport and when you get when you're watching Jalen Hurts and the numbers he puts up just to understand why he's going to go so low is because

it's a different sport they put on helmets they put on shoulder pads put on cleats they play with footballs it is technically called the same thing, but it's a different sport. Let's get to John Gullet with the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news.

So now that Tom Brady has left the Patriots for the Bucks, many people have speculated that the bills are actually the favorites now to win the AFC East. However, their GM, Brandon Bean, says, slow down on that. The team to beat in the East is the Patriots. And until somebody beats them, they are the team to And as long as Bill Belichick's there, you know, you're talking about probably the greatest head coach of all time that was paired with the greatest quarterback of all time.

So until we beat them, you know, we've done nothing and we got our work cut out for us. I don't know that he really believes that. But okay, the bills were 10 and 6 last year, made the playoffs and had a 16-0-0 lead in the Wildcard round against the Texans. Doug, are the bills really the team that's going to win the AFC East this year? If not now, then when? If not us, then who? Right? That's what the bills have to be asking themselves.

We got our quarterback back. He's in his third year. They got a nasty defense. Sean McDermott is a brilliant defensive mind. They like to run it, control the clock, and now they added Stefan Diggs as a weapon before Josh Allen. And you go against the Patriots to probably start in Jared Sidham. Like, if not now, then when? The bills are going to be the favorite. I guess Vegas has the Patriots.

The big thing is that the Patriots, I mean, it's like, was it their offense that won them games last year anyway? The answer is no. I mean, even when they beat the, when they beat the bills in Buffalo, I think Tom Brady threw for less than 150 yards. You know, they beat the Cowboys, and it was all special teams and defense. So I understand what he's saying, and I do think that it is really hard to dethrone the champion, especially the Patriots.

But in terms of talent, I would say, and they made the playoffs two of the last three years, the bills are probably going to work their way into being preseason favorites. Yeah, I mean, they're better at quarterback. while they're not better at coach, Sean McDermott is a really good coach. They really have no excuse. I mean,

they were only one game worse last year, and the Patriots just lost Tom Brady. Speaking of quarterbacks, the Bears have always publicly stated that Mitch Trubisky is their guy. However, their actions have always contradicted that, like, you know, trading for another quarterback with a big contract. Bears GM, Ryan Pace said this morning, though,

quote, we've talked to both players. The way we view this, it's an open competition. when you trade a fourth round pick for a quarterback who makes a lot of money and your quarterback through 17 touchdowns and 15 games the year before, I think it's pretty clear it's an open competition at best, if not you're giving the job to Foles. Who do you think starts week one for the Bears? I do think they're going to allow,

they're going to let Trubisky lose the job, right? I think it'll be, but I want you to consider this. Matt Nagy is the head coach. He coached Nick Foles in Kansas City and in Philadelphia. Bill Lasers, the offensive coordinator. He worked with Nick Foles in Philadelphia. And heck, if you even go to John D. Filippo, who's the quarterbacks coach, he was Foles offensive coordinator last year in Jacksonville.

He was on the staff, I think as quarterback's coach, back when they won a Super Bowl in Philadelphia. So they've not only seen Foles, they've seen Foles at Philly play. at his actual best. He knows this often. This is why you always go somewhere where people know you, you have a rabbi in the room.

Foles eventually will be the guy, but I do think because they have so they've been so pot committed to Mitchell Trabiski that he'll get right to first refusal. I mean, you're also, you're now more financially committed to Foles. Trubisky's on his rookie deal.

Foles makes $15 million, and if you cut him after this year, they can get out of the deal, but it's a big, it's $5 million dollar dead cap hit. I mean, it's, you're actually. I thought they reworked that. That's after reworked.

No, they did, they did, but he still makes a ton of money this year. It's just, it was, he's only one year into what had been a four-year deal. So they reworked it so they could get out of it if they need to. But I mean, you're far more financially invested in him than you are in Trabiski. Look, I think he's going to be the quarterback. But I do think that because Trabisky's been the quarterback the last two years, he'll be given the chance to lose the job. You think they'll let him start week one or he'll lose it in camp?

I think he'll lose it week. I'll think he'll lose it during the season. Okay. We're giving him more of a shot. And finally, I just, I don't think, I think it's too hard if you, and look, if Trubisky plays well, it will keep the job. I just don't think he's that good. And they don't have a ton of confidence.

Three years in, we haven't seen that yet. So I don't know. If he has that gear, you should have used it already. What's fascinating, though, is, see, I don't think you can bench him and then bring him back, whereas I do think with fools, you can bench him and play him whenever, it'll be fine. Sure. And finally, the next major sporting event that we all will really miss would be the Masters, which would have started next weekend.

Golfs governing bodies have been working hard trying to piece together a schedule where they would try to accommodate, move all the majors, and also get the Ryder Cup in. According to sources, they are discussing potentially moving the U.S. Open. It's at Wingfoot.

They're going to maybe try to move it later in the year to a West Coast location so they can do it later. They've also set a tentative date for the Masters. It would be November 9th would be the start of the tournament. I don't know how any dates you could, I mean, everything is very tentative right now. now, but golf is a unique sport where you could play it with very minimal risk to the players.

You don't really have to come into contact with anyone. You can avoid large groups. You can spread out the T-times, whatever. Do you want to see them try to cram all these majors and a Ryder Cup into the fall, or is that just being too ambitious? Well, I think it's being too ambitious. I think the issue you're going to run into is travel, cameramen, media, and also like TV trucks.

Like TV trucks are not designed to have people spaced out. They're in a small space. Not at all. Obviously with enough lead, you could fix some of that. But like if you just play a golf tournament with no media coverage, like, yeah, you can do it all whenever. But the guys have to get to where they're going as well and where they're going to stay, et cetera, et cetera.

But I think the fact that the PGA has been so slow moving is the same reason it took the Olympics so long. It doesn't mean that they're not paying attention. And it's like, look, there's a lot here. We're going to try and get as many in because every tournament has major sponsors. And though those sponsors right now don't want to spend any money, we got them on the hook. Like, everybody's got to get theirs. Otherwise, nobody gets paid.

And at some point, the economy is going to peek back up. And we've got to be there to collect the money. Otherwise, that money's on the table. It's going to go to somewhere else. So I totally understand what they're doing. And I understand how long it's taking them because there's so many logistics to it, especially with the majors being as crammed together as they were supposed to be this year. And that's John Gle with the news.

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is The Herd. Wherever you may be, an hour if you may be listening to the show. going back on Monday. Earlier today, Rex Ryan had an interesting take on Amari Cooper, the Cowboys, by his best estimation, overpaid for Amari Cooper. Let's welcome in Jeff Schwartz, former offensive linemen, Panthers, Giants, Chiefs, and Vikings.

Of course, his brother is a really good offense lineman still playing. He's the other one. I'm kidding. Jeff Schwartz, who, of course, is in Charlotte, watching his pool be built, shooting on a janky basketball hoop, recording podcasts, Jeff Schwartz, is smarter than you. Guys, we have the sound. I believe we have the sound.

This is Rex Ryan talking about Amari Cooper's new contract with the Cowboys. To me, this is the biggest disappearing act in the National Football League. He doesn't show up on the road. He doesn't show up against when the competition's good. When he's against the top corners, that guy disappears. This is who he is. And Dan, he doesn't love football. Hell with it.

He stops his routes. He does all this. I wouldn't have paid this turd. No way in hell. Ooh. Your reaction. I don't know why he got so personal. That's a weird personal attack.

Look, if you don't like the guy the way he plays and you don't think he shows up in games, fine. But the idea that he's a turn and just it felt really personal for no apparent reason. So you talk to people around the Raiders or on the Cowboys, no one ever mentions that. They often mention the opposite that of Mark Cooper because of hard. hard worker and he does what he's asked he's a good teammate doesn't get in trouble he's a good kid and look it's true look he's better at home than on the road there are times where he had disappeared but it just felt really oddly personal for no apparent reason whatsoever okay uh what if i what if i said like look this is coach speak and it's not personal it's just a guy who quits on routes and guys who

when he when he's not getting the football uh when he's not getting the football he doesn't play nearly as hard. I think that's fair to say that. I don't know if that's true if he quits on Routh. I don't. I can look up the home and road split and see what that's like. I've seen him struggle against top corners. I don't know about the quitting on Rouse thing,

but it's fair, it's fair here, in my opinion, and I do this all the time to criticize the way someone plays on the field. And if you want to be harsh about it, go ahead and be harsh. But I feel like when you take it off the field, and it felt like it was off the field. Carman turned is kind of a little bit off-limits. I get the coach-speed part of it. Trust me.

I mean, coaches, they speak to players in different ways behind closed doors, but you're on TV now, you're not behind closed doors, and I don't know what interaction they've ever had. How does he know that he's, I mean, you call a guy Tert, kind of assume that you think he's kind of all together bad, in my opinion. And so do you know him? Like, where's this coming from? I just surprised to see him go to that.

Well, other stuff, look, that's fair game. If you want to criticize him for all that stuff, go ahead and do it. I think honestly, that's where I will point out, this is where Mike Greenberg went. Mike Greenberg was so wanted to get out of that segment so fast. Oh, you said turd. Let's just, like, you wait, wait, wait, you call him a turd. Why would you call Mari Cooper a turd? And it would allow him, I think, I mean, look, if the entire take, if you take out the word turd is fine, it's, you know, fine.

He says the word turd, and that's where it's greenie's job. That's where he's, like, he screwed him, completely screwed him, because he leaves, it out there and for our interpretation. And now I'm sure at some point today, he'd be like, well, you know, I apologize. We took it personal. It wasn't meant to be personal. It's more of, you know, and guy quits on routes or whatever. But all you had to do is ask him in that space and a follow-up question to show you're paying attention.

And I don't, I don't think he, I think he came up short on it. I pointed out to start the, to start the show that it's interesting. You take the Tua story and you're like, okay, Tua's coming back from a hip injury. He looks like on tape. with Trent Dillfer, he's moving great. They keep updating you, you know, that he's going to be fine, he's young, he's recovered, it's really amazing,

modern science, incredible. He's going to be a top five pick, right? Then you take Cam Newton, you take that story, he's been off injured the last couple of years, because of the coronavirus, he can't get a physical, and that's why people are saying he hasn't been signed.

If you take those stories into themselves, they're fine. You combine the two at the exact same time, and one guy is far more accomplished than the other, Cam, as opposed to Tua. Isn't that telling us there's more to why Cam isn't on a team right now than just the litany of injuries he suffered? Yeah, probably, because there are not a lot of teams right now that truly need a starting quarterback, as we currently speak. They could after the draft.

Chargers, we talked about this, are a great example of that. They could decide to draft Herbert or two at six and then obviously just roll with those guys in Tyra-R-R-Til, or they could pass on those guys if they're going. gone or if they're there pass on them and then sign cam noon so there's just not a lot of teams available but i do think the not being able to get your own hands on them is is a little bit of issue for for medical personal even though on the medical side doctors trust other doctors so if someone calls the doctor that did the the physical campus physical in alana you know they're honest i think that scouts trust other scouts less and trainers less so you know they

have to see with their own eyes um but too is interesting they reported today that's one of the top hip specialists in the country in Nashville, clear, too, I guess, or made some positive remarks about him. I do you think the injuries are, it's concerned. I can't recall a quarterback coming out as a top five or ten pick that's been disinjured. And it does worry me. I mean, he's had the two ankle surgeries, which were more just to get him back on the field, but there are two surgeries nonetheless.

And then the hip injury, guys in the NFL are bigger, faster, and stronger. and he's going to get hit in the NFL, and I do worry that injuries are a huge concern for him. That's the voice of Jeff Schwartz. Jeff Schwartz is smarter than you as the name of the podcast. He joins us in the herd. I'm Doug Gottlieb filling in for Colin.

The bills are saying, hey, Patriots are still the favorite. Vegas still has the Patriots or favorite. Who should be the favorite heading in the season right now in the AFC East? The Patriots, and so otherwise, you know, the quarterback situation obviously has to be figured out. So that is a concern, right? I don't think Stittam or Brian Hoyer will be who they end up with in the end.

And there's still time to figure that right, Dalton maybe, or maybe they even draft a guy. But the reason why the bills, in my opinion, can't be the favorite is look at, they're kind of on the path of the 2017 Jaguars or 2018 Bears. Last year they had a season where the quarterback underperformed. There's no way to look at it. Yes, he was better. But if you look at it as like composite of where all his grades are, his, QBR, all this advanced stuff. He's like 24th overall.

He didn't play well last year. And they play a much tougher schedule this year. If you look at the divisions they play, and they play better quarterbacks, they're not going to be as good this season. And yes, they'll get maybe a win against the Patriots. They'll help them, but the dolphins will be better. The Jets, I imagine, will be better.

I don't know, maybe not. But it's really just about Josh Allen. And there's very few quarterbacks that ever started their career, with two underperformer seats, so two seasons basically undervalue and then became good in the NFL. The last one to do it is Alex Smith in the last 30 years.

I just don't see it from Josh Allen, and a lot of people don't. And that's why the bills are not gaining respect. Their roster is built up. They don't have your job going their roster. I commend Brandon Bean, the GM for building the roster, but it's a quarterback.

I don't think he's very good. Jeff Schwartz joining us in the herd. Texas USC, do you watch last night? Yeah, I watched most of it. I didn't watch most of it, yes. What jumped out of you? Well, a couple of things. One is just how the offenses have evolved and controlling that liner,

going five wide under center throwing the ball. But two, I went back and looked at the roster. I mean, USC was so good. And if Reggie Bush doesn't throw that ball away, I think USC prompts them. I think it's a route if that ball doesn't get tossed like it. I mean, they'd be up 14-0, and that USC team was built to play from ahead, the way they ran the football. But just the style of football is so drastically different now.

It's fun to watch a game like that. Guys are still hitting each other. You know, there's old school rushing the football, downhill running. And then Vince Young was incredible, right? I mean, he had a game for the ages. You know, it was fun to watch. It was fun to catch up on old games. That's, I guess, what we're doing now is catching up on old games.

Yeah. You know, there's so many things that you miss with the first time you watch it. It's not like a Will Ferrell movie when the second time you watch it, you pick up on little things that now you're paying attention to because you know the outcome of the game. Exactly.

And it was fun to, like, relive. I mean, it wasn't my childhood. I was in college. But then also think about, you know, we played USC that year in 2005, and they came to Austin. It was the first Pat Tokyo game of the year, a Pac-10 back then.

And we weren't, we were like 24th, but we really weren't good the year before. So it's our first big boy game against the big boy team. And we came out, we got 13-0, and then they outscored us 45-0 to win the game. And I just remember the feeling of how much energy we spent it in the first 22 minutes. Because we knew we had to play the best ball we could ever play for 60 minutes to even compete with them. And so we did for about 22 minutes, and then they took over. We were just tired in the second half, emotionally drained because that team, it was unbelievable.

They're so good. Jeff great stuff have a have a safe weekend enjoy the poolside chats even though the pools only have done and be safe in Carolina with your with your bride and your kids thanks for joining us thank you take care about having a weekend all right jeff schwartz former offensive line with the panthers the giants the chiefs and the vikings men with today's health concerns more important than ever to take care of your body m drive elite elite testosterone and immune support go to m drive for men dot com use the code heard get 20% off your first month of MDrive. Refind your prime with M Drive. Tui, you are a huge Texas fan. What was your biggest takeaway watching outside of Vince Young

is awesome watching last night? I think it was just the star factor. How many guys, I mean, a lot of those guys didn't paint out to the NFL, but just how many stars were on the field, you forget that. You know, just like guys that you just household names. They were household names then. I also think

it does, there were so many players on both teams. It may also be a reason that we didn't have that so many of those guys didn't pan out in the NFL is because, you know, any of their flaws were a little bit hidden because there were so many other dudes alongside them. It's not like just one star, you know, that guys have. The best pro was probably Jamaral Charles, who was only a freshman on that team. Yep. No doubt. No doubt. Really, really interesting. All right, we got a lot to get to upcoming next.

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let me defend Rex Ryan for a second. Okay. Over the next it's a Friday. So I don't know how long this lasts. It every day does kind of run into it. I'm sure a lot of you're like, Like, it's Friday. Thank God it's Friday.

The only difference between Friday and Saturday is if whatever amount of work you're doing, you might do a little bit less. It's one of the things we're learning about working at home, which is, you know, you don't have to get dressed up unless you got like a Zoom meeting and then you can do the waist up anchor man thing. And then, you know, like, look, it's really interesting to me on how the good news about working from home is you don't have to traffic. There's not traffic right now. And you don't, there's lots of things you don't have to do. On the

other hand, work is always there. So even though you don't have a time you have to be there and you can't, and then a time that you can go home, there's never really a time which you have to separate yourself from work. Like, having an office is kind of healthy.

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nothing else is to get a break from home and that way when you're home, you can be home. Whereas when you work from home, it's really hard to, when do you stop working? But it is a Friday. Generally, the news and sports shows on a Friday, they go away because we get to Saturday and Sunday we have games. I don't know how it works now.

There's no real news dump Fridays the way there used to be because everybody's paying attention to the news on a daily and sometimes hourly basis. Right? But Rex Ryan was on Get Up earlier today. He had this to say about the Amari Cooper signing. To me, this

the biggest disappearing act in the national football league. He doesn't show up on the road. He doesn't show up against, when the competition's good, when he's against the top corners, that guy disappears. This is who he is. And Dan, he doesn't love football.

Hell with it. He stops his routes. He does all this. I wouldn't have paid this turd. No way in hell. So look, if you if you wrap it around everything he's talking about,

it does not appear, by my estimation, to be a personal attack. You can tell me that the word turd, that this turd, it makes it him. You're not saying he plays like a turd, which would have completely separated himself from being personal. But Rex is talking about his performance, his love for football, his work ethic on the football field, specifically in bigger games and on the road. And when he calls him a turd, there is no, And he's a turd who hangs out late at night. Like, no, there was nothing about personal.

Now, other members of the media, football players, they'll make it into something personal. I can almost guarantee that Rex just meant like, no, dude, you quit on routes. And, I mean, if we saw him, he was not in the game against Philadelphia when they needed a first down late in the last regular season road game against the Eagles, when they were essentially knocked out of the playoffs, got his coach fired. And we've often talked about the play calling here, and that's ultimately what, okay, that's ultimately what got it done. But Amari Cooper, this is how coaches talk. Like, this is what we do. This isn't us as a, or you as a viewer as a, what is the term I like to use?

Not citizen. When you're a, oh man, I'm blanking on. a word I usually use civilian. Like my basketball friends and I, when we see people comment on stuff and they're like, I don't really know what we're talking about. It's like civilians see it differently. Civilians hear the word turd. You're like, whoa, he's calling him a turd.

That must mean that he's a jerk off the football field, that he's late to meetings, that he does something unsavory. Like, no, I don't think that's what Rex Ryan meant. If that's what he meant, that's what he would have said, rounding the word turd. Instead, he was talking about performance and performance alone. The flaw in this, to me, is Mike Greenberg, who's doing the interview. It's his show, and the follow-up is, wait, you call him a turd.

Is there something off the field? I'm sure Rex would have said, like, no. Like, you know, if you, if when you get against tough physical guys and you don't get a call, you quit, you stop running your routes when you're not getting the football, you know, where I'm from, we call that you're being a turd. Which that's how, and I've seen, I've seen. seen some football players react and say, you know, now you know why Rex Ryan doesn't have a job. But there's also others, also others, that realize he's bringing coaches locker room conversations

into your living room. And oh yeah, by the way, that's what he's supposed to do. You don't have to agree with it. You don't have to agree with it all. You don't have to like it. You have to agree with it. By the way, most people who do agree with it, they're like, well, I wouldn't have used the word turd. Okay, but you're not a coach, and you don't know exactly what he meant by it.

But he does come up small in some big games and does quit on, like, okay. So what he's saying is accurate, you just don't like the word turd the way he, way he've heard. Okay. Look, sports people talk about people within their industry completely differently than the way civilians do. You know, this is like when Phil Jackson said to LeBron and his part. posse. It wasn't a racial term. Come on, man. The guys you hang out with, your click, your crew, your posse, that doesn't have, that's not a racial epitaph, not even close. Everybody in sport knows that. Everybody in life knows that. But if you want to make something racial, you can. If you want

to make something personal, you can. And that's what people will do with Rex Ryan. And oh, yeah, by the way, he's speaking to what's messed up about the Cowboys. Right, which is, we talked about this yesterday, which is they're signing Alden Smith, not because out of the goodness of their heart trying to rehab Alden Smith and change his life. They're hiring Alden Smith to be their rush end because they can't afford to sign anybody as a free agent legitimately, because they still got to pay DAC. They're paying Amari. You know, they're paying Jalen Smith.

They're paying Ezekiela. That's real talk. And I think Rex Ryan has given some real talk as well. do I think he's a little bit more over the top than he probably needs to be or maybe even accurately? Sure, but that doesn't reverberate when you say it on TV. When you say a guy's a turd, everybody's like, well, excuse me, what's he talking about?

Mari Cooper, right? Really? And you even get media people who cover the NFL like, well, I've never heard that. I've never heard he has any sort of personal baggage. Like, no, Rex Ryan didn't say he had any sort of personal baggage. He didn't. Like, isn't that the way when you were studying Goulay, were you SAT or ACT? SAT.

Okay. Remember when you were studying for the SAT, they were like, you know, if you don't know the meaning of the word, try and figure it out based upon not only the prefix or suffix, but also in the way in which it's used in the sentence? Yeah, it's one of my best skills. I don't know the word, but I kind of can figure out how you're using it. Right. So if you think that it was a personal and offensive message or word from Rex Ryan, how

come nothing else he was talking about was in fact personal? It was no point at point. Again, it's a weird word to throw in there. I have heard it used on guys that don't play hard that quit on plays. It's not like I haven't heard it. But the idea is really hard for me to say it's definitely personal, where there's nothing personal about the rest of his remarks. You're a cowboy fan, Goulet.

How do you feel about Amari Cooper's contract? I mean, I think it's a slight overpay, but anything I've ever heard from anyone on the Cowboys, covers of Cowboys is like Amari's a absolutely great guy who was they usually blame injuries for his problem but is he overpaid yeah but is he kind of worth like he's not overpaid by much he's a number one receiver that fixed their offense uh yeah okay when you heard the word turd did you think it was personal yeah yeah i thought you know what was interesting Doug i don't know if you remember this but we had rob ryan on the show about a

month ago and he said something similar he didn't call him a turd but he was against him too So maybe the Ryan brothers have this shared anti-A-A-Marie Cooper take that they're just going to keep putting out there. Yeah, or maybe they've interacted with him more or they've coached against him more. Maybe that's the Rob Ryan, who was, I'm trying to think, was he with, he wasn't with the Raiders when Amari was there. He was with the Redskins in 2019. So he definitely saw Amari Cooper. So that's obviously they've seen it on tape. And how guys appear on tape is completely different to how they appear before us.

You see guys on tape, you're like, you know, it's a lot like the Cam Newton thing. And Cam Newton, I talked to the NFL GM, I told you I had like a virtual coffee with him on Saturday. And he was like, look, Cam Newton doesn't, there's something wrong. There was something wrong with his shoulder a year and a half ago. And whatever he got to get fixed, he was throwing motion. wasn't right going back to last year. That's my, that's, I'm not signing a guy who's got

a shoulder problem to play quarterback in the NFL. But you don't have people saying that, right? You don't have, you won't have people, or Lamar Jackson, you know, they'll point out, let's look at the numbers, like, man, he was really efficient. And, yeah, because the throws that they allowed him to make, they set up for him to make, are right in his wheelhouse. He still has the same inaccuracies on some of the other throws

that outside the numbers, but the Ravens, didn't design things for him to make those throws. What happens is we get so caught up in stats and fantasy football and pro bowls that we're not willing to take a breath and think, okay, maybe this is actual analysis. I don't know. I haven't watched the All-22 on Amari and how hard he plays when he's not getting the football. My guess would be, though, that there is some information to this

and that it doesn't have anything to do with the personal. It has to do with the fact that they believe he quits when he's not going to get the ball or when you're super physical with them. Look, and at home, 52 catches, 869 yards, 5 TDs. On the road, 27 catches, 320 yards. Three TDs. In that game against the Eagles on the road, game 15, week 16, four catches, 24 yards, wasn't in the last drive in several plays.

Those numbers don't lie. I don't think Rex meant it personal. It did come across as personal, and I'm guessing there's an apology in some sort of characterization. of what he had to say. Has Tua's healthy hip really pushed him into the number one pick discussion? Joel Clatt will join us upcoming next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports

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The Hurt on Fox Sports Radio, the IHart Radio app, welcome in. Thanks to Jeff Schwartz, who joined us last hour. Let's continue the football conversation. as Joel Cloud will join us in a second, and it's really interesting to me how we look back. 2006, I don't know, when you say it out loud, it doesn't feel that long ago. Maybe it's because 2020 sounds way off into the future.

Like, did you ever stop? I don't know. I don't know if you're like this. Did you stop to think it's 2020? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how you, how your mind. works, maybe it's that there's not a, I don't write checks anymore. I can't remember the last time I wrote a check. And when you do, you're like, wait, what year is it? What day is it? I, even my wrist

gets tired writing things. How you pay everything online? Pay everything online. And then when you see like the expiration date on your credit card, you're like, oh, 20203, like that is 10 years away. Like, actually, no, it's like three years away. Anyway, I was watching the 2006 Rose Bowl last night. And I was thinking about how much football has changed. Some of it's the same. How do we avoid kind of the pitfalls of, you know, how do you avoid the pitfalls of some of those players that were over drafted because of the success of either USC or Texas?

Like really that's one of the things that happens. You see a team, you see what great football it is. And you assume that because they're all highly ready and they're all good, that rising tide does lift all ships. and many of those guys were overdrafted. And even our view of, like, Lendell White who got the ball on fourth down. Like, does anybody realize how productive Lendell White was even that season or how good Lendell White was for a time as a pro?

Like, Lendell White was a stud, man. An absolute stud. He didn't get the first down, but he did. He had a thousand-yard rushing season in the NFL. Like, he did. Like, yeah, he did. And then you look at his USC stats, and granted, all their stats were crazy because they were just so loaded with talent. But, you know, in the year in question, in 2005, he had 1,300 yards and 24 touchdowns.

And had two receiving touchdowns. Like 26 touchdowns, and he wasn't the big back for SC. That was Reggie Bush's year. Reggie Bush had 1,140 yards rushing, 478 yards. receiving. They both had two touchdowns. It was like, you know, they had a, they combined for over 3,000 yards rushing. But because of how their pro careers went or didn't go, Landau Wites was like four years long, he had one really good season, then flamed out. That's how we view guys. We're going to bring Joel Klad on in a moment. And, uh, um, he actually played

for Colorado that year, lost to Texas in the Big 12 championship game 70 to 3. He's like, Wait, yes, Colorado was in the Big 12 then, and they played Texas. Texas was in the South. Colorado was in the North. They played in the Big 12 championship game. Get his memories of that. Plus, we'll get his thoughts on Tua. And I don't know if you guys saw this, but college sports may be the most affected by the coronavirus shutdown.

We'll share with you some details. Some of the stuff going on, Ohio State, Iowa State with Joel Clatt in a moment. First, let's get to heard-line news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So Doug, with Major League Baseball being pretty adamant about getting as many games in this season as possible,

obviously you're going to have to do some double headers more frequently and a lot less days off. Now, the problem with that is that if you're cramming all these games into less days, what happens if you have one of those really long extra inning games that ravage your bullpen and take forever? Well, Dodgers' third baseman Justin Turner has a solution for that. 7.17 innings just in that. You get one extra inning, you play the 10th inning, no one scores, then you go to a home run derby.

You take each team's three best hitters and you give them all five outs and see who it's the most homers. And you know, you want to keep fans in the stands until the end of the game. I know when I go to hockey games, I actually enjoy watching shootouts. So that keeps me in my C. So maybe a home run interview will do that as well. That was Justin Turner on Spectrum Sportsnet. Doug, do you like the idea of having basically like hockey does where you have a short kind of extra period? and then if nothing's resolved, you go to something kind of gimmicky?

No. How many people, Goulet, know that hockey goes to, they go to three on three now in the overtime, right? They went to four on four for a long time. Isn't it? I believe it's three on three during the regular season, right? They don't do the same thing during the playoffs. Right, but do you think most sports fans know that?

Probably not, no. I don't think they do. They went to four on four. Now they go with it's like three on three. Maybe I can't remember when they. I think they go to three on three now. Yes, it is gimmicky. I don't think it correlates to baseball.

Baseball is hard because even though it's three on three, you still have the goalie, you still have the net, you still have the full length of the ice, right? Where in baseball, if you do a home run derby, like, are you trying to strike the guy out? Are you trying to have a guy give up taters? Like, the big thing is the bullpen, the depth of the bullpen, and this should change with the one-hitter limit rule. I think you just got to expand the roster. and have more pitchers.

And then the other thing I'm for is, in addition to having to face three hitters, I don't think a pitcher should be allowed warm-ups when they step onto a field. By that, I mean, you have a perfectly good bullpen back there. Oh, I get you. Yeah, you can just, and no other sport do you do that, right? Right, right. It's not like, oh, hold on, we're going to sub, you know, we're going to sub in J.R. Smith. J.R. you want to take a couple shots to get loose?

They don't do that. Right. So I get the idea of speeding up baseball. I know that in the regular season, players just want to get the thing over with so you don't tax the bullpen. But I don't think that's real. I think you got to find a way to do it with real baseball. Are you in favor of the like at a certain inning you start with a runner on first or second base? No.

Okay. No, it's not real baseball. I know they're, and I know that players are for it because players are like, dude, we got 162 of these things. Let's just go. Well, you do get the, in some of those long games, you do kind of get the feeling like some of the players. would honestly rather lose than keep playing. Like there's 162 games. You're going to lose 50 or 60, or 60, even if you're a good team.

So I just want to get out of here. So the Patriots offense last season, as you mentioned before, was not great even with Tom Brady. And now that Brady is gone, they will be starting an unproven quarterback with, other than Nikiel Harry, some kind of veteran receivers like Julian Edelman and Mohamed Sunu. Now, many people, including Bill Simmons on this show a couple days ago,

speculated that Edelman would be gone soon, probably going to Detroit because everyone that leaves the Patriots either goes to Detroit or Miami. But according to Tom Curran of NBC Sports Boston, there is, quote, not a chance in hell the Patriots would trade or release Edelman. They'd only save about $4 million in cap space if they did get rid of them. So it's not as if they're cap strapped and they need to make a move like that. Would you like to see Edelman go anywhere? I mean, I don't really want to see him go anywhere else unless it was to go with Brady.

Would you, is he have anything left to offer another team? I don't know. I mean, you know, he he tore his ACL after an offseason with TB 12, and he came back, then he had test deposit for PEDs, right? Then he's had, that was a couple years ago, and now he's been, he's been their go-to guy kind of ever since. I like Julian Oman. I mean, I think everybody thinks he's a stud.

But yeah, I do think he's kind of, like, he's the guy that Tampa needs. And if I'm, if I'm the Patriots, you want Julianneum, you're going to overpay to trade for him. But remember, there's a, it doesn't really. free up that much money. If you, if you read about this thing from, from Tom Curran, it only frees up like $4 million in cap space. There's a bunch of dead cap money if he's traded unless the thing gets renegotiated before he's moved. And it's also tough to, it's tough to sell that we're trying to win if you're getting rid of another kind of good veteran player. I, I equated it to he's Uma Thurman and Brady is Tarantino.

Like, I know Tarantino is great without, without Uma Thurman. I don't know have any evidence that Uma Thurman is great without Tarantino. It's kind of like our peanut butter and jelly argument yesterday. Like he's definitely the jelly that we don't, is not really useful unless there's peanut butter there. And finally, the chiefs had been down to $171 of Cap Space. I did not misread that.

Literally, $171 is all the Chiefs had left of Cap Space, which means people might have more money in their wallets right now than the Chiefs had to spend on their roster. However, they've reworked their deal with Sammy Watkins, which freed up some space by restructuring, things. He oddly cannot be traded. He has a rare NFL no trade clause. He can make up to

$16 million this year. Chiefs still have a long-term deal to work out with Patrick Mahomes, which could be tough to get done because he can ask for basically everything and he kind of deserves it. Are the Chiefs going to be a perennial power or are they just going to be too cash strapped to make this kind of a dynastic run? I think the latter not the former. They've been smart about the Pat Mahomes thing. They said, before the Super Bowl, 12 to 18 months, don't worry, we'll get a deal worked out, meaning they'll probably try and figure out

what they can do before the CBA flips over next year and go from there. So, you know, because if the CBA wasn't signed, then next year would have been an, or this year would have been an uncapped year, and everybody could have gotten, you know, all their bills on it. So, look, do I think they're going to be castrapped?

I do. Anytime we see these, dynasties we realize that egos and money usually are what take away from dynasties. They're still going to have Pat Mahomes. They'll still have some Andy Reid. They'll still have players. But I think, you know, when you have Pat Mahomes on a rookie deal, it's a completely different calculus than when you have making $40 million a year.

And that's John Gullet with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News. Let's get to Joel Clatt, lead college football analyst for Fox Sports. Joel, how is, are you able to play any golf with all the clubhouses, close. No. So it's been 10 days since I, so that is not a, not a problem in the real world, certainly. And I'm hoping everybody is safe and healthy out there, but no golf right now in the

clad household. What is homeschool like in the clad household? You know, it's, as people know out there, the younger the kids are, the harder the homeschool process is just because it's very hard for them to just go off on their own and, you know, have their iPad and do their school day. So we have a second grader who's our oldest and then a TK or transitional kindergarten. That's right before kindergarten. He's five. And then a three-year-old. So the stages of our kids are, I feel like, tougher than most. And I got to tell you, second grade is a lot different than when I was in second grade. The second grade math, it can get a little difficult.

Listen, I have two in eighth grade. I can't help them. I've forgotten how to do slope. One's got a quiz. She's taken right now in the Pythagrum theorem. She's literally taken in the room next to me. And the other one's like, oh, I took that one. Yeah, I don't know.

I don't really know. I don't. I don't actually know. Here's the question. When is it okay to look at them straight in their eyes and be like, hey, dirty secret? You will never need this. Yeah, I mean, look, the conversation we have is this, is, did you like school? I've gotten this question from the, no, I did not.

But I have found that it's the only way to see all of your friends in one place every day, that they're all having to go. And if you don't go and don't get good grades, you can't go to a cool college and play sports and meet girls, right? So that's my sale to my son who does not enjoy. going to school. He actually does, but sometimes the girls will bring him down. In terms of not using the math specifically, like, look, I say, like, I agree, you're not going to use it, but the two things, two things. One, we don't make up the rules. Colleges are going to use your grades, so you can say it's not fair, but life's not fair. It's going to be judged, you're going to be judged based upon your

grade in this thing. And the second thing is, you do actually have to understand processes and using formulas, even if you don't really understand the math, I do think it has a little bit more value than on its surface it has. So that's the way that I form the argument. Well done. Well done. You know what? You're a good father. I don't know if a good father, but that's the best I can do. I want to get, did you watch last night's SC Texas game? I surprised, shocking surprise ending. Did you watch it? I did watch it. I still think it's my favorite game I've ever, ever seen. I didn't witness it, but that I've ever watched. It was, it was maybe the greatest

college football game ever. Ever. You had a couple good, you know, Ohio State Michigan game a couple years ago. You've had some really, really good ones. Obviously, more regular season than the national championship. Now, you played against that Texas team when you're a quarterback of Colorado, right? That's right. We actually played them three times in one calendar year. Once when I was a junior, and then twice that season that they won the championship. We lost to them, obviously, in Texas, in the regular season, had to play them again in the Big 12 championship game in Houston, and they absolutely destroyed us.

That team was on a mission late in the year. Why wasn't Vince Young a better NFL quarterback? Well, I mean, he was the rookie of the year. I think that if he would have come out now, I think it would have been a much different story. I think if he would have had a different coach in the NFL, it would have been a much different story. I think that they were trying to fit a square peg into a round hole at that point.

And his brilliance, which shone through early in his career, you remember the overtime run from the 50-yard line? Like, he did some incredible things. And then they kept hammering on him like, okay, you got to get into the box, get into the box, get into the box. and he was never allowed to just be Vince Young in the National Football League. And I think ultimately that's what cut his career short. I think if he would have had a coach that allowed him to play the way that he played

that would have shaped an offense to his strength, rather than just run the offense that they had always run, I think Vince would have had a really long NFL career. I think he was one of the casualties of the non-evolved NFL of, of, you know, 10, 15 years ago. Joel Glad, joining us here in the herd, Doug Gottlie filling in for Colin. I'm interested in Tua. Tua appears to be healthy.

You got multiple doctors saying he's above and beyond what they thought his progress would be at this time. How do you evaluate, let's just start with the pure evaluation. How do you evaluate Tua? You have to consider the injuries, but how do you evaluate Tua as an NFL prospect? Yeah, so he makes a really important. good decisions. He's he's got quick release. He's got good anticipation. I love the fact that he's very decisive in the pocket. I think that he's got good footwork. He's not a great

elusive athlete. That's what has led to some of these injuries. And in fact, I'd say my biggest knock onto it is that he's not as athletic as he thinks he is, which is why he gets these specific injuries. When you look at the way that he injured both of his ankles, when you look at the way that he injured his hip. Doug, what you see is a guy that thinks he can run away from people and he can't. So he gets caught from behind and he gets those legs rolled up on. He is a good athlete and he is elusive, but not as much as he thinks he is. I think that his ability to win with accuracy is there.

At times he can be a bit frenetic in terms of when he releases the ball and how quickly he's trying to get it out of his hand. and there are times when there are obvious easy throws that he chooses to go elsewhere. Another thing that I might be a little concerned about with Tua is that he had unbelievable receivers, likely three first round guys out there to throw to. And you get into a situation as a quarterback where you believe the game is easier than it is. And that's one of the reasons why I love Burrow is that Burrow is surgical with his offense. whereas Tua is not quite as surgical,

and he'll go places within his offensive system that he's not supposed to, but he still wins because of the level of gap between his athletes and his opposition's athletes. Okay, so this is really interesting. I'm going to disagree with you on Vince Young just because I don't think that Vince would have been, and maybe it's the stories we knew about his personal story or whatever,

and the lack of accuracy. He kind of pushed the ball when he threw it, but it would have been interesting to see him in Lamar Jackson's offense, for example, and see what he could do because he was a dominant athlete. He was maybe more Cam Newton without as big an arm as Cam Newton had. But Matt Leinert is the, it may be the parallel to Tula what you're saying about Tua, right? Because Matt Liner was surrounded by so much talent that, like you said, the game could have been a little easier.

You can miss a little bit. You can throw what up to somebody. They'll go make a play. Like that's the fear there, right? Is that the inadequacies, which everybody has, but are lessened in terms of how they look because you got a star going against just a guy out at wide receiver at running back.

Is that accurate? I think that that's accurate. There's no doubt that that is accurate. And by the way, the injury stuff, Doug, is not just about the hip. It's like I'm thrilled for him that his hip is healthy and that he's getting all these all clears from the doctors and these doctors that are trusted. His videos look amazing on social media. But it wasn't one freak accident with his hip. He had two ankle surgeries.

He never completed a full season in college football. Think about that. He always had to miss time based on a surgery, not just, you know, little soft tissue injuries. That's concerning to me. In particular, when you look at a guy like Burrow who played every single game and did not deal with those injury issues, and when you really break down their games, I just think that Burrow is a more surgical player. His decision-making is as good as any quarterback I've evaluated during my time evaluating for the NFL draft. This is going to be what is my sixth or seventh draft that I've covered. and his decision-making ability, the ball goes right where it's supposed to go all the time.

And you've heard me say this a lot. I think that quarterback can be, at times, a bottom-line proposition. I don't really care how tall you are, how strong your arm is, what your feet look like, so on and so forth. I could probably garner what all of those things are based on this question. Is the ball on time and on target? And Joe Burrow is by far the best quarterback in this draft when it comes to is the ball on time and on target. His accuracy is amazing. He throws an imminently catchable football.

And when you look at him versus Tua, there's a little bit of separation. Then when you look at the separation between Tua and then the rest of the draft, I think that there is a steep cliff between those top two and then guys like Herbert and Love and Ysen and Fromm and Hertz. there is a drastic gap between the top two and what I would categorize as the other quarterbacks in this draft. And it's mainly because those top two understand that they're out there to pass the football. And some of the other guys, they feel at times that they're out there to throw the football. There is a big distinction between a guy that can throw the ball and a guy that can pass the ball.

And I think understanding the difference is what makes evaluation important. Yeah, it's interesting. I'd love to do like a dual show where you show that in football, I show it in basketball, right? Because there are guys that they make the right pass. Can you create shots for guys? And then do you deliver the ball on time and in rhythm, right? And then like the very next step is in basketball,

can you seam it for them, right? Can you throw it to them so it's on the seam so they don't have to set it? Like you can do all of those things. You're a great passer. There are guys that rack up assist that can pass, but they don't create shots. for others. So I totally understand the parallel of what you're saying.

Joel Klatt joining us, lead college football in list for Fox Sports. Kirk Herbstry came out and said he'd be surprised that we had a full season of college football, which I think Davos-weeney is like zero doubt we're going to start. Somewhere probably in between the two. I did notice this Iowa State story, and I'm sure

you did too. Iowa State is their budget's going to be at least $5 million off. And so Matt Campbell's not going to take bonuses. They're all going to take pay cuts across the board. What do you think college football like it looks like when it gets underway in September? Oh man, that's a giant question. First of all, you know, I don't I don't know when college football will happen. I just believe that it will happen. It's too important to everything else that goes along in intercollegiate

athletics. Remember, Doug, football pays for 80% of everything. Everything. Every everything out there. You do not have other programs. You do not have intercollegiate athletics without college football. So whether we start in September, start in October, November, or December, college football, in my estimation, will be played next year. And I think that's what Davo was kind of referencing. And in particular, when you look at, and I know this wasn't really part of your question, but I will go into the budget side. Yes, Iowa State, I think, getting that ahead of what is going to be the financial pinch of this season as it relates to athletic department's budget.

And I commend them for doing that. This is one of the reasons why Jamie is such a well-thought-of athletic director out there. He's one of the best, actually, in all of the country, Jamie Pollard, DAD at Iowa State. Now, they came out last, what was it, a couple of days ago. I'm losing track of my days, but they said, hey, spring sport athletes are going to have eligibility next year. I don't know if you've talked about it or not, but the Division I Council of Athletics came out and said that, okay, which everyone says, hey, that's great. And I agree that that's great. But the devil is in the details here because what they also said is that it's going to be up to each school, how they determine the financial aid packages for those spring sport athletes.

Remember, spring sports do not make any money, period. All right. Men's basketball is over by this point. Football is over by this point. these sports are non-revenue sports. And in this waiver that the NCAA gave, they said each school determines financial aid. Remember, the NCAA revenue share was cut this year due to the loss of the NCAA tournament from the men's basketball standpoint. You can expect to take a massive hit just from COVID-19 in donations because of the economy and attendance.

So while each school can access the student assistant fund of the NCAA and the NCAA, potentially helping financial aid with these spring sport athletes, that financial aid assistance is going to be much lower than it has been in the past. So I'm here to tell you that this ruling for spring sport athletes is 100% dependent on playing football at some point. Okay, these are the details that I feel like need to be brought to the forefront when discussing the college football season is the imminent danger of intercollegiate athletics if the season is not played. This is why I believe 100%, Doug, that we will have

football. Now, whether we kick off in April, September, December, October, I don't know when it's going to kick off. I just know that these schools have to play college football at some point. And then those spring sport athletes, maybe they'll get a chance to continue on with financial

aid and get that extra year of eligibility. Last point I want to make, and I know you're probably running up against a break, but I will just say, if you see schools say, hey, you can come back and play in spring sports, but we don't have any money for you. This is going to be a drastic, drastic gap between those athletes that come from affluent families and those athletes that do not.

The separation of classes with these athletes is going to be drastic, the ones that can take advantage of this waiver and the ones that can't. Joel Clat-lead, lead college football analyst for Fox Sports. Joel, great stuff. Thanks for joining us. I appreciate it. Thanks, Doug. Even without Tom Brady, the Patriots still the best in the AFC East. Find out next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports

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How the Patriots have become the good guys. Is that the strangest plot twist in sports in the last 12 months? We'll get to that at the end of the hour. But I want to start with this. There is a sense by some. This is where there's a disconnect between the means. media, social media, and the real world, right? There is a sense by some players not sure they want to get this season in, right?

Because I've heard, well, they won't want to be separated from their families. They won't be one to be separated from their families. And, you know, it's not a real ending to an NBA season. And there's this. And the fear of travel. And the, look, I think you're going to have to, on some level, Look at the world through different lenses, ones that aren't your own. Or maybe you can use the ones that are yours.

Right now, we're still in, last week we were kind of in the honeymoon phase. The honeymoon phase where you're like, you're at home, you're not used to be in home, and all those conversations you want to have with your kids you can have. You get caught up on Netflix shows. You're like, man, Tiger King, I had no idea this was going on in Winniewood, Oklahoma. Nor do I have any idea I would care. Now I do. right now i do i'm in polygamous homosexuals i'm in normally wouldn't be my thing on a wednesday night

when there's nothing else on okay like honeymoon seemed is and now you know kids are back to school distance learning and even now you're like well i kind of get to be an invested parent let me just tell you what i had going on in my house i have three kids they're all in distance learning at different schools one struggling with one particular course and And, you know, between having a tutor come over, which you got to, like, scrub down the tutor, don't touch anything. You're the only one allowed in our house. And then not doing as well as you wanted on the test and being stuck with not the grades that you want. Like, you're like, man, this is a lot of work.

This is a lot. And so the NBA is continuing on this idea of, can we find any viable solutions? What about Vegas? Here's Chris Mannix from Sports Illustrated on the idea of the NBA finishing their season in Vegas. I think it's their best option at this point. It's the only option. The people I talk to have strongly suggested that within the walls of the league office, they just don't believe that traditional city-to-city postseason is possible.

Putting teams effectively in one place is really the only place that makes sense. And there really isn't anything under serious consideration. other than Las Vegas. Logistically, it would be the easiest place to pull off. Logistically, it would be the easiest place to pull off. And you know what? I think NBA players want to do it. And it's not, people think, well, it's Vegas.

They want to get to Vegas and be like, no, it's not about going to a club. It's not about just hanging by the pool. Although if their families and kids and whatever were allowed to go, that'd be going to hang by the pool, that'd be great. And suppose these virus is not heat-resistant. And there is the thought that the heat will kill. it in the summer, but regardless of all that. And obviously there's issues with traveling guys to and from, whatever.

Look, the NBA players, of the guys that hadn't had symptoms, they seem to all be getting cleared up. They all think they're impervious to this thing. And the truth be told, I said this yesterday. I've said it on my show. I love my family. I do. I like being home.

We have family dinners. Go for walks. Have long talks. But by this summer, there's not going to be a family vacation. there's going to be just a vacation, right? That's the way it's going to work. And to think NBA players who a lot of them will yearn for home, some of them will get there, some of them are stuck in,

that they don't want to go play basketball, they don't want to, the second they miss one, you know, one direct deposit, like, hey, man, we can't pay you, you're not playing basketball. The second they miss that, they're like, hey, fellas, we got to, we got to play. We got to figure out a way. It sounds good to be really sensitive, and this is a league that is the most sensitive of all the leagues, right?

They're in terms of, you know, social justice, they're very invested in it. You have a commissioner who really truly listens to people and tries to do what is in everybody's best interest. But in everybody's best interest, like, look, once they see the numbers for the NFL draft, the NFL draft is going to do such a colossal, huge rating. why there's nothing else on right by that everyone by then everyone will be through secession will be through ozark will be through tiger king like the the the jordan bulls

documentary is you know there's only two of them a week you're going to be so so far in on i got i got to know everything about the nfl draft you're going to watch every possible freaking second of it you're going to want to know hey what what's that guy got in his zoom called the zoom background, right, in his Zoom background. So I look at this thing and I think that, I don't think I know having talked to some, maybe they just can't wait. They didn't want to leave the gym even when they knew guys were sick. So I just, I don't believe anyone who is with the league doesn't want this to happen. They're going to find a way to be creative to push it through. And, you know, we said this on the show, I guess, hosted, I don't know, like three weeks ago, right before all this.

And I said, was it, necessity is the mother of all invention, right? The NBA has been looking for a way to create a mid-season tournament, and this can be their post-season tournament that eventually adjust to their mid-season tournament. The Vegas thing, it's not, you know, look, in Vegas in December or Vegas, but Vegas in March is amazing. It's great. And this tournament will do well. It will happen because everybody's got bills to pay.

Everyone needs games on TV. And NBA players may say, man, I love my kids. I love my family. But you say, hey, you want to go to Vegas and play, you know, like 10 games in 15 days? Like, yes, get me the hell out of here. I am good with being a homeschool teacher. I live in the best neighborhood and send my kids to the best school for a reason. let me get up on out of here.

And then there'll be other guys that don't have families that just look, I need some human interaction. I need to make this thing work. You know? So I don't think I know the NBA. The second anybody says, you might be able to. Like, all right, we're going to Vegas. We're getting this thing done. Be no cruise ship.

Maybe they could be if there's a one of these facilities like the Lakers, if you have a hotel right next door, maybe. But the Vegas thing does make the most sense. Because, yes, there are some who cleans the rooms. How do you get everybody there? Do you bring their families? Do they just play? But we talked about this some yesterday. This gets back to the core of what guys have been doing for years, years,

which is go to Vegas, bring your video game system, hunker down, and play a couple games in a day for a week and just go play hoop. Only thing now is the food is a lot better. The hotel rooms are a lot better, and you're probably not playing two or three in a day. You're probably playing one in a day, but you're still just playing basketball. This is not to say that guys don't love their families, that guys don't love the time. But they're not as much as they're cautious with their bodies.

Like so many of these guys have had it and are recovering from it or asymptomatic. You're telling a professional athlete who's in the prime of their career, listen, it's really dangerous. Like, yeah, I know it's really dangerous. They all think they're impervious to it. And then if they get it, it doesn't affect them anyway. And obviously you're not going to be able to do it until everybody tests clean and they have some sort of protocols in place. But I don't think I know they are going to get this thing.

This thing is going to get, it's going to happen. There's too much money at stake. And the second everyone sees those NFL draft ratings, which are going to be, my guess is at least one and a half, not two times their highest number. Because there's literally nothing else on. I mean, last night, if you're watching sports on TV, you're like, USC, Texas. Everyone I know knows how that's, you know, at least 30 years old, knows how this thing ends. Vince Young, fourth, and five. Vince Young, fourth, and five, right?

But you still watch people, people are tweeting like, man, this is a great game. The college basketball games over the weekend actually did pretty well. And those are our championship games that people had watched previously. You think about NBA, playoff games, you can bet on it, you can watch it. Remember, you're talking about, you're talking about, you're talking about, you know, 11 million people have lost their jobs. They're not cutting off the cable. Like this is, here's a not so secret, dirty little secret about sports television.

You know the shows that everybody shouts at on TV? Right. We don't have as much shouting. We have some of them. You know the shows I'm talking about. Do you know when those shows became really, really popular? Go back and look your calendar. 10, 11 years ago.

Why? The economy was in the number. People are at home. What are they doing? They love sports. They're watching on TV because they don't want to hear anything about politics. They don't want to hear anything about a virus. Do you think they'll watch NBA games?

Yeah, they watch people shouting at one another about sports, even when they're not being played. Of course they will. Of course they will. Coming up next, the Patriots aren't just a threat, but Vegas has them as a favorite in the AFC East, should they be? Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd,

weekdays and noon Eastern, 9 a.m. on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHard Radio app. Doug Gally binford, Colin, this is the herd. Wherever you may be, however you may be making this part of your day. Who's ready for a vacation, huh? Without the kids. I got an email from a guy with a hotmail account. Did I tell you that one?

Some guy, Aaron Shortel, Aaron, I don't know how you got one of my home emails. but all of you sports talking heads sound like complete effing morons trying to figure out ways to bring sports back. It's like comedy talk radio. It's actually hilarious. It's not going to happen any time, not any time in the near future. Okay. We're talking about June and July.

It is April. It's going to happen in the summer. Like that's like we're not keeping the whole thing. We have these people like, well, you know, we're going to shut down. We're not keeping this country shut down. for five months. We're just not. We're to keep it shut down as long as we possibly can

to flatten the curve as much as we can. The next two weeks are really, but like this whole, at some point we're going to go like, sorry, 11 million people are out of work. That number will probably double in the next two weeks. It just,

you know, it's bad. Hopefully, we're, and we're doing a actually, for the most part, we're doing a pretty good job here in the last week of figuring out, all right, let's throw a bunch of money at trying to get a vaccine. And when you have any, and as much people say, well, there's 12 to 18 months to get a vaccine. Like, yes, that's normal when no one, when you don't have people throwing millions and millions of dollars to generate more and more research to speed the process up.

Again, you can't rush it, but you can get clinical trials started a lot faster and with a lot more angles. if you have a lot more money. So the first thing is you're going to try the vaccine. Then, of course, you get the malaria drugs, the treatment drugs. You got the social distancing. And you have the ability to have tests, which I think will show more and more people have it. And hopefully less and less people have the severe form of it that's causing so much lung distress. but if you really think we're going to be shut down through the summer,

just the economics of it don't work. I'm not talking about the imperial method of just a people die. Like, I'm not one of those guys, right? But I do think there's a reasonable time span here where you look at Italy, how long they were shut down for, it seems to be, you know, the curve has, has, they've gotten past the peak. We're not idiots for talking about. And if you don't want to talk about sports, it's fine.

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You know, there's this thing that we do where we assume, we assume that when a Hall of Fame, Famer leaves, the next guy has to be as good as the Hall of Famer was at his peak. Brandon Bean is the GM of the Buffalo Bills. Now, look, some of it is you always say nice thing about your opponents. You better say something nice. Don't rattle the cage. You have the Patriots because the Patriots consistently beat you.

And, you know, even if they are dead and in their grave, you don't dance in somebody's grave. You don't dance in somebody's grave. I want you to think about this, though. Like, we're talking about Brady and how hard he is to replace. Keep in mind, they played a soft schedule last year. Keep in mind that last year. I mean, think about this. They beat Buffalo at Buffalo, right?

How was Brady in that game? That was the game Josh Allen got hurt. And Matt Barclay trouts in, you're like, wait, Matt Barkley is still in the NFL? Tom Brady in a win was 18 for 39 with no touchdowns, one interception, through for 150 yards. His quarterback rating was 45.9. When they beat the Jets, 33-0, he only threw for 249, through an interception. When they beat the Eagles in Philadelphia, 26 for 47, 216 yards. When they beat the Cowboys, remember, that was special teams and defense.

You know, he threw for one touchdown pass. It was in a rainstorm. 13 touchdown 13 to 9 was the final score. They beat the Bengals. He was dreadful, 128 yards passing. The Bengals were just awful. So when Vegas says the Patriots is still the favorite, then Brandon Bean, again, I understand. He's in the same division, the Patriots is dominated of that division.

He's the GM, though, of a team that made the playoffs last year. He had this to say. The team to beat in the East is the Patriots. And until somebody beats them, they are the team to beat. And as long as Bill Belichick's there, you know, you're talking about probably the greatest head coach of all time that was paired with the greatest quarterback of all time. So until we beat them, you know, we've done nothing

and we got our work cut out for us. Yeah, I would, I tend to agree. tend to agree. Right? Really, really agree. That it's not that the Patriots are going to have more talent top to bottom than the bills. Or I think more than the Jets. We don't know what the dolphins will look like with all their draft picks.

Are they going to move some of that for current day players? Like, what do they look like? But like, look, man, they dominated this division for 20 years. And yes, the quarterback is different. They were three and one without Brady going back a couple years ago when he was suspended. It doesn't mean they'll be a perfect team. They're not going 16 and 0. And people do mischaracterize the Matt Castle.

Like, well, Matt Castle, they won 11 games. The year before, the year before, Tom Brady threw 50 touchdown passes. They were 18 and 0 before they lost in Super Bowl. 16 regular season games. They won five fewer games. But with one additional playoff spot coming out of the AFC, one out of the NFC, with the playoffs expanding, and a very, very good defense.

Sonny Michelle's a very good, they got two good running back. They have an improved offensive line. Will they be great? No, nobody's sitting here predicting they're going to win Super Bowl. But I would not dance on their grade. I just, that is not, they have too much culture, too much pride, too many good coaches, too much winning. Winning is a part of who they are.

Like even when Jordan left the Bulls and some people will say, well, you know, they had Pippin, they had Coo Coach. Okay, Jordan left the Bulls. They were still a one seed in the East. East because in addition to having talent, they had great culture and expectation. You know, losing programs, losing franchises, if you're a fan of one of them, you know. You know exactly. Look, I'm a fan of the L.A. Chargers.

I'm a fan of the L.A. Chargers. And I'm a fan of the Angels. And losing franchises always have, and losing schools always have the same thing. It's the second something goes bad. You're like, here we go again. Here it comes. Here we go again. Winning franchises have the exact opposite.

One little good thing happens. Like, we're fine. We'll figure this thing out. We'll figure this thing out. Granted, Tom Brady's not walking through the door. I understand. It's going to be a massive change. Eventually, they better find a quarterback.

And Stidham's not the guy that'll find a quarterback next year. But the idea that they will fall completely off a cliff, Brandon Bean's not betting on it. Vegas is embedding on it, you shouldn't either. Let's get to a, hold on, I want to read an email, a text, a tweet real quick. Brandon says, holy blank, tune in to Gottlieb show. He's digging such a huge hole. What a disgrace to sports fans.

Most of us don't care if the NBA comes back by June. More like cancel the season. Really? I love when people say what they think the rest of the world thinks. The rest of the world thinks. The NBA's regular season ratings have been down. Some of it is because of fatigue. Some of it is because LeBron moved to the Pacific time zone.

Some is because they've had some of their star players injured. But if you think that the world, especially the American sports fan, isn't desirous to see something on TV, just do yourself a favor. Wait to the NFL draft, reserve comment, when the draft, which will be done on laptops and iPads all throughout and on phones. That's all to do. phones, iPads, laptops, Zoom, FaceTime, whatever. Wait, do you see the numbers there?

It has nothing to do with whether you like the NBA or don't like the NBA. Of course, sports is coming back. It's not just basketball. All these sports are trying to come back as quickly as possible, but basketball knows they need to have their postseason because they need to meet their, they need to make some earnings. It's like any business. Let's get to John Goulet with the news.

No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the. The herd line news. So Doug, earlier this week, the NFL's general counsel, Jeff Pash, said that the plan was still to have a full NFL schedule with fans in the stands. Now the NFL's chief medical officer, Dr. Allen Still, saying slow down a little on that. As long as we're, he said, quote, as long as we're still in a place where when a single individual test positive for the virus, that you have to quarantine every single person who was in contact with them in any shape, form or fashion.

that I don't think you can begin to think about reopening a team sport because we're going to have positive cases for a long time. I am remaining optimistic about the NFL season because it is so far away. At what point would we have to get to where you would start to worry about the NFL starting in early September? I think May 1st, you know. Like, let's get to May 1st and figure some stuff out.

Yeah. I think we all know April's going to get worse. I think the next two weeks of a few weeks of a lot. April should be are going to be bad. I think they're going to be, because you can't slow roll. Everybody I know has the exact same discussions. Like, all right, when they open

it back up, is it just going to be a free for all? Because I think the idea of, well, we're only going to open up to certain businesses, like, that's not really going to work. I look, I think the next two weeks are going to be really dicey, right? And then once

you get past, once you get past those two weeks, things should. be trending in the right direction. I'm guessing May 1st. Friday, May 1st, we'll stop, we'll look, and people like, you know what, I think, I think this weekend we're good to go. That is

my guess. Now, this knowing that every day I've gotten a new email saying my kids will go back to school at a later date, and the governor of California said they're not, don't plan on them going back to school. Yeah, I think that's, I don't think those kids are going to school anytime soon, Doug, which... No, I mean,

but California, remember, you go to end of... Some most schools, you go to middle to end of June. But, yeah, I don't think they're going back to school. That said, that's because schools don't want to get sued. It's the last thing they want to happen. I think for entertainment stuff, I think you're going to see. I'm guessing May 1st is when we'll know when stuff cranks back up. And remember, for the NFL, as much as it'll change their OTA schedule, their offseason.

Like, look, once you got people in camp, if you got people in camp by mid-July, you're fine. I think they'll have camp. Like, there is no model that I believe I've seen. I could be wrong, where the summer is going to be problem back. Now, there is fear that it comes back in the fall. Like, that's the big fear, right? It comes back in the fall. That I don't know how you plan for, but I do know that in terms of getting people back together,

I think gatherings of, you know, more than 10. I'm guessing that starts in June, but we'll know more May 1st. I like the approach that Davosweeney is taking. While some people around college football like Kirk Herb Street think a 2020 season is unlikely, Clemson head coach Davo Sweeney said this this morning. and quote. My preference is let's get to work and go play. That's the best case scenario and I think that's what's going to happen. I don't have any doubt. I have zero doubt that we're going to be playing and the stands are going to be packed. I don't know if what he said is any less likely

than what Herb Street said, but I appreciate the optimism coming from Davos-Sweeney because why not be optimistic? I also think that college football is so vital to every other college sport, that it actually, there might be more pressure to get something back because Joel Klatt talked about this with us last hour. If you don't have college football, the other athletic programs are going to fold. So they're going to need. It's not just that. And he's right.

Okay. Joel is right. Okay. Let me add to that. Small college towns, like the one I went to school in Stillwater, Oklahoma, right? Who's going to go to those hotels? Restaurants. Yeah.

Bars. Right? Like if they don't have students, let alone fans for those games, they don't make any money. They don't make any money. And we can't just keep printing out money and go like, oh, here's 1,200 here and 1,200 there. And don't pay your rent. Like, that doesn't work for people. And I, look, my mom's a senior citizen.

I haven't laid hands on her. I didn't, I, when I, I've seen her twice, we nod, hello, my kids haven't, don't go in her house. She hasn't come into mine or whatever. Like, I have a daughter with, with some severe asthma, some breathing issues. That said, like, we're going to have college football. I mean, look, and they all, there is a certain sense of that it's the, it's the coast telling you how bad this thing is.

And I think Florida and Louisiana having some spikes and being hot spots, I think that'll change some of the views on it. But I do think that if there's a sport, I know we'll come back. College football will come back. Now, the problem is you've got to have college students on campus in order for any of that to get underway. And we are a long way from that happening. And finally, some non-virus news.

The Bears have always publicly stated that Mitch Trubisky is their guy at quarterback, even though this offseason they traded for another quarterback. Bears GM Ryan Pace said this morning, we've talked to both players. The way we view this is it's an open competition. They traded a fourth round pick for Foles, and yes, they restructured his deal to make them be able to get out of it in a year. But he's still making $15 million. this season. Ms. Trubisky is not.

To me, this job is kind of, as long as Foles does pretty well and doesn't screw up the offense, which he's already somewhat familiar with, it'll be his job. I don't think you agree, though, who is the starter for the Bears week one and then for the rest of the season? No, listen, I think Nick Foles eventually becomes the starter, okay? So if we, if we were some sort of miscommunication between us, I think they give Mitch and Trubisky the chance to fail. Right, right?

knowing eventually, because if Tribisky gets benched and they start Foles, you lose Trabisky. If you start Trabisky and then Foles replaces him, well, you've already decided you've lost Trabis, giving him his shot. Foles is going to be the guy. They bring a guy in who played for Matt Nagy, played for Bill Layser, played for John D. Filippo. All these guys have seen Foles play at his best in Philadelphia or play in Kansas City. He knows the offense. You got to have that rabbi in the room. You've got somebody who believes and he's got three guys that believes in you.

and frankly, these guys don't, they've lost faith in Mitchell Trabiski. But Trabisky, because he has equity in that locker room, because they traded up to get him, because he's been the start of the last two years, he'll be given the chance to fail, which I think he'll ultimately do, but I think he'll do it during the regular season. I think it's a fair point. And also, I would say the leash, though, has to be pretty short, right? Week three or four, if it's not looking good, they probably go to Foles. You can't lose out on a potential playoff spot because you stuck with Tribisky an extra week,

then you didn't have to. No question. No question. And that's John Gulea with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. Stop waiting to see what happens when life gets back to normal, and it will get back to normal. Take control of your future now. Go to Mycomputercareer.edu.

Take the free career evaluation today. Live online classes meet just twice a week. It's not rocket science. It's my computercareer.edu. Tuwey, how old are your kids? You got a gaggle of kids. You have three or four? Two, two, four. Just two children?

Yeah, eight. Eight and six. All right, so. Four kids, yeah. I can't handle myself. That was, that was cowherd yesterday. Like, you know, two, he's got like four kids. I was like, no, I don't know, Calvin, like maybe three.

I don't know. Sorry, connected to you, I know. Okay, how's, are you with the six-year-old, do they do distance learning at his level? They're both doing it, yeah. No, I have to say, so I'm similar to Joel. Like, I have a second grader and a kindergartner. So they're both doing. online classes. They both have their iPads. They both have headphones. So like my wife's got her work

station set up at the table. They have their eats, their stations. And they have their routine. She's got it up on a board every morning like the schedule and they do their stuff. And they do their assignment and then they have a break and then they do assignment. And then they do lunch and they have an assignment and read. So she's got it pretty structured, but it's still driving her crazy. No, it's driving them crazy. But the kids do crave structure. It's fascinating to me. Like I think I'll give you, I'll give you a not so hot take prediction. that while when schools get back in next year, obviously distance learning, hopefully we'll go away by then.

We'll have back to regular schools and teachers can immediately go in and ask for a raise. I would guess that one of the things that's going to go away is when you miss school because you're sick, you've got to get your stuff sent to you. I would guess there'll be a camera now in every classroom that they already have and you're going to, you may be missing school because remember,

schools get money based upon how many kids show up and this would they're I would guess there'll be some sort of clause and they're like hey he's not absent he's just not physically present but he's virtually here as long as you log on the schools can get their their money for the day um I think it's going to be fascinating to see how we had like what what we've done what sticks and stays in society and what goes back to the way it used to be you know what goes what goes back to the way it used to be. I was talking with an NFL GM and he's like, you know, obviously we wish we could see these players in person and we love, you know, having a war room on draft day and having all those guys and having discussion the night before and et cetera. But a lot of these meetings, it's so much

better to have them like first thing in the morning and then you have your own office at home, some of this stuff will stick. And I think that while the distance learning won't become the norm, I think the idea of the old Ferris Bueller's day off, you know, playing a hooky and not having any responsibilities at school until you get back and watching prices right all day, I think that goes the way of the dodo. Something happened today, and it loosely has to do with sports that I think, frankly, no one thought possible. And it's a plot twist in terms of what you think of this franchise, how they're viewed

nationally, and the feat that they have accomplished over the last 2448 hours. We'll put that in the pantheon of sports plot twists next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Men with today's health concern is more important than ever. Take care of your body. MDrive Elite, Elite testosterone, immune support. Go to MDrive fromend.com. Just go to herd to get 20% off your first month of MDrive. Refind your prime with MDrive. Doug Galdi been for Colin. Big Man will be back on Monday. How do I know?

Because he told me I'll be back on Monday. And if Colin says it, it's something. Sometimes true, right? We call and got right. We call and got wrong. We'll see on Monday. But we still have a bunch left, including an incredible plot twist, which is where we begin with our best for last. It's almost the end of the show, but that doesn't mean we're phoning it in. Nope, we grind to the very last segment. It's time for best for last. If I were to ask you the most disliked or despised organization in sports, right? In sports. Like in college football, people don't like Alabama and Nick Saban.

But they don't, for the most part. They, you know. But I don't think that measures up to the dislike most people have for the New England Patriots. Like the Yankees, when they're good, when they're great, they're up there. People don't like the Yankees. But there are a ton of Yankee fans. Like I do think that while there's plenty of Yankee hatred, there's at least close to equal amount of Yankee fans. Duke basketball, kind of similar.

Notre Dame football, kind of similar. I think the Patriots, you don't have a ton of Patriots fans. You just don't. It's not like the Steelers. It's not like the Cowboys. It's not like the Packers. It's not like the Chiefs, even. Right?

Because the Steelers have been good in so many different generations, 70s, 80s, 90s, a couple times here in the 21st century that you have, whereas the Patriots have really only been good. I know they had the one Steve Grogan, you know, Super Bowl shuffle, got dominated in New Orleans by Chicago. Bears won Super Bowl, but really it was a bad franchise until Belichick or Parcell's got him to a Super Bowl, and then Belichick took over and then Brady and they've been the most dominant team.

But because of SpyGate, Gate, the Flake Gate, you name it, the press conferences, there's plenty of people that despise. Did you guys see what the Patriots team plane did? What Bob did? They're like, what, we need some masks? All right, well, we have two of these

planes. Send one over to China and bring us back the mask. Now, keep in mind, a lot of these masks we set over there to begin with, so we're just going, we're doing the O.J. Simpson, we're getting, but we're not stealing, we're getting back our own stuff. And then there's video today of, you know, like a semi, almost wish there was a transam with, you know, somebody in honor of the late great Bert Reynolds with Bandit One on it, and you got them driving a big semi full of all of these much needed supplies of masks and other, other equipment ventilators that's needed.

the Patriots, the most despised organization, mistrusted organization in professional sports, definitely in the NFL, suddenly now the good guys, trying to be, dare I say, patriots. Now, here's the question, though. In terms of plot twists, where does this rank?

Right? There are some organic football plot twists, to a Tiwaiologa coming in and winning a national championship. That was a plot twist. right. Coming in, winning an SEC championship, saving the day and winning a national championship.

There's a plot twist. In basketball, you had the most recent plot twist. Like, Kauai Leonard can pick anywhere. He's from L.A. LeBron James is in L.A., and he picks the Clippers to be his home. Like, Paul George, who everybody thought was going to be a Laker, also gets traded to the Clippers.

There's a plot twist you didn't see coming. I mean, that's like a, that's almost like when Kevin Spacey, was Kaiser Soze. Kezer Soze. You know, or when Finkel was Einhorn. Plot twist. Bruce Willis being

dead the whole time in Sixth Sense. Did you guys know that? Tu-e, I'll bet you you picked that out. I remember watching that movie. No, I had no idea until the end. My wife turned to me and she's like, he's dead. I was like, what are you talking about? I completely dismissed her

in the first quarter of the film. I'm like, no, he's dead the whole time. Like, what are you talking about? Watch the movie. Sure enough, he's dead the whole Sorry, if you haven't seen the movie, that's a bit of a spoiler. Here's a sports plot twist. Remember when DeAndre Jordan agreed with the Mavs, but then the Clippers, like, locked him inside his house and he changed his mind? Like, there's a plot twist. Historically, Michael Jordan retiring to play baseball. That was a plot twist.

Then coming back, losing as 45, winning three more times is 23. Super Bowl biggest plot twist would be the Patriots come back against. the Falcons, or would it be the Seahawks deciding to throw the football instead of run the football when they're knocking on the door and they got Marshawn Lynch in the back then. We've seen plot twists before, but the Patriots becoming the good guys is an all-timer. I do not see that one coming. This is an M. Knight-Sharmelon. Is it M-Light-Shomelon?

Is that how you say his last name? I always mispronounce it. It's not because I don't know who he is. I know his movies and I like Unbreakable very, very much. And I love the Sixth Sense. But this is an M-Night's Shammala type of plot twist. Like this is, wait, Darth is Luke's father and Leia is his sister? I just blown away by that one.

That one's still a all-time plot twist. That's how big Patriots becoming the good guys are. That's how good. And of course, I'm sitting here and I'm looking at Goulet, who's from New England, but as a Cowboys fan, and he's sitting there going, I still don't trust the Patriots, right? That's what you're, that's what you're saying. I still don't, this is, this is, this is somehow to get sympathy for something bad coming around the corner. How about that a bunch of them are for specifically New York, where they're rivals, the Jets, and the team that beats him in the Super Bowl twice? Yeah, that is interesting.

It is interesting. Look, I could be wrong, but I always, if I, if I, if I'm on that, that middle line of, is this for the right reasons or for the wrong reasons that most people have goodness inside their heart? Right. Like going over to China who's been kind of our rival and we've been in this trade war for, again, it's like, I don't know how much people are like, well, I don't know how much I trust products out of China. Like, okay, well, all your products are out of China, dude. So you might want to trust some of them. Anyway, I just, I think the good of people, like, it's the same thing with, with, why are they giving it to New York? Is he trying to help his, is he trying to help Kraft trying to help Trump out? Like, or maybe he has the money. He has the resources.

Plus, like, if there's ulterior motives, I don't believe they're political ulterior motives. I like to believe they're not. I think some of this will become, if not already become political. But a lot of these businessmen are, there are ulterior motives. They need their companies to get back to work. They need America to get back. Our country does not work if we're not working. And whether it's, you know, all of the craft companies or whether it's Microsoft Steve Balmer, you know, who gave $25 million, $10 million specifically to research groups in Seattle.

Like, you go through all these people giving money. Like, do I think a lot of its goodness of their heart? Yes. And if you have the means and you can give that kind of money, like, God, who wouldn't? But I also think that some of it is just, hey, we got to get back to work. We got to get back to being us because we were in such a good place financially, and we knew there would be some sort of settling, but this is economic disaster. I believe, this is me, I believe that is it all pure goodness?

Probably not. But if there are any ulterior motives, it's simply, we've got to figure this thing out. And if nothing else, it's because I want to go down and have a drink at a bar and see another human being. This does not work for my lifestyle. more so than political motives. But the New England Patriots today, it's like we can take shots of the Patriots.

Why do they send their plane? Did you see any other teams send their plane? They're not the only team with the plane. Not the only team of the plane. Until I see another team playing touchdown and then have a semi-driving stuff to their arched rivals who beat them in two Super Bowl City. Until that happens, you can't say anything bad about the Patriots.

You can't say anything bad about the Patriots. I mean, you can't say anything bad about the Patriots. You can, but not about them as people. Last thing, I do think you're going to hear a lot about Rex Ryan. Do we have the cut guys? This is Rex Ryan earlier today. He clearly does not like the Amari Cooper contract. Take a listen.

To me, this is the biggest disappearing act in the National Football League. He doesn't show up on the road. He doesn't show up against when the competition's good. When he's against the top corners, that guy disappears. This is who he is. Dan, he doesn't love football. Hell with it. He stops his routes.

He does all this. I wouldn't have paid this turd. No way in hell. All right, Rex Ryan did apologize for using the word turd. But this is where America thinks they want what coaches really say. Like, we think we want hard knocks with a camera in there when a guy gets cut. But we're not really ready for that. We're not really ready for discussions like that.

I mean, if you want to relate it to Paul, politics. Remember Hillary Clinton, she had that there was the quote that she had which is, you know, you got to be one, it's like the movie Lincoln, right? You got to be one person in public and one person in private. It's the reality of it. Do I think Rex Ryan meant that he's a

turd as a person? No, but it's just a coaching expression. Is a guy who cuts off routes, a guy who quits against better competition that can get punked a little bit. It doesn't mean he's a bad human being because he didn't mention anything about off the field. Is it a poor choice of words? probably but you know what it got your attention and it makes you think if he's saying it he

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