The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Cleveland Browns, Antonio Brown, Dak Prescott and Kyler Murray

Episode Date: September 9, 2019

Colin has strong words for the loudest guys at the party--the Cleveland Browns.  Also, don't expect Antonio Brown to be in New England for the long term--the Patriots, under head coach Bill Belichick, have historically picked up troubled players and used them briefly and strategically.  Finally, now that Dallas Cowboy quarterback Dak Prescott has a better supporting cast, Colin isn't surprised at all that the Dallas offense is blooming--Dak just needed a few more toys in his ensemble. Guests include: Michael Vick, Trent Dilfer, Bill Romanowski and Bucky Brooks.   Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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heard. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go on Monday. A very Cleveland Monday. This is the herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. We are live in Los Angeles. Iheart radio, Fox Sports Radio and FS1, one hour from now, Colin Wright, Colin Wrong. One of our better ones of the year. Plenty of both. Michael Vic this hour. Trent Dilfer next hour. Joy Taylor's joining me. for a million reasons yesterday was so fun and zany and nuts and crazy. The whole weekend was all of those things combined. Where do you even start?

Let's start with the Browns. Let's start with Cleveland. You know my thoughts about this. I've said, I said I think Cleveland's going to be 9 and 7. They're going to struggle early. Then they're going to win a bunch of games late. And they'll be vying for a playoff spot. That got me major pushback from Bay,

from Odell, from Cleveland fans. A franchise that's 1 in 16, the previous three years against playoff teams. You know, the teams you've got to beat to get to the playoffs. My hot take, I think they'll struggle early, new coach, young roster, new parts, but I think they'll be pretty good at the end of the year when they face bad, bad teams. Yesterday was exactly what Cleveland deserved. You ever gone to a party, Thanksgiving dinner, a family gathering, and you have all sorts of interesting people you want to talk to and hear from,

but you can't because the dumbest person at the party is also the loudest. Isn't that the way it works at the bar? The dumb guy is always the loudest guy, no success in his life, but has all the answers. That's Cleveland. Their GM got fired, loudest GM in the league. Their quarterback had a losing record Baker, loudest quarterback in the league. They're fans, I mean a laughing stock.

loudest fans in the league. It's the worst thing when you're around interesting people, and there's interesting conversations to be had over a glass of wine and a good meal, and dumb guy is loud guy. And so you drive home with your wife and you're like, yeah, that was awful. The guy that shouldn't have been talking did all the talking. And you got what you deserved. There was two quarterbacks in the NFL yesterday, by the way, that embarrassed themselves.

Not every quarterback had good games, but Baker Mayfield and James Winston and are the same guy. Talent, not denying the talent. There's things I like about both. But in college, both showed really, really regrettable judgment.

And as I've said many times in my life and many times on this show, you are at 19, what you were at 9, you just have facial hair if you're a guy. You shave now. You have a girlfriend now. You don't change. And I think Baker's going to struggle

and have days like yesterday his entire career. Bad judgment. By the way, this Cleveland team, the receivers wearing a $350,000 watch, how lit. But this team made a move, and everybody was falling in love with the OBJ move and the Olivier Vernon move and the Sheldon Richardson move. This team made a move in March that I hated

and all my sources in the league hated. They have a battle line and they traded away their second best offensive linemen to get Olivier Vernon. It made the papers that it was so. splashy, but this league is about details, and it was a terrible move. And Baker yesterday was under constant duress. And Baker's not that athletic, and he's not very big. And the good teams like the Chargers that faced him last year figured him out.

Bull rush him. Hands up. He's small. Your defensive ends are faster than him. He's not a great athlete. And this offensive line is bad, and it can't over the course of this year become great. Okay, this problem is not. going away. Now, do I think Cleveland will get better? And Baker will have great days and OBJ

will have great days. And Freddie Kitchens won't be completely outcoats and out of sync. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. But this offensive line is the liability and their GM, the loudest offensive linemen, and nobody talked about it. Just like nobody talked about the stuff that really matters in the NFL, like details and not getting penalties. And Cleveland yesterday, by the way, people say, well, Cleveland always struggles in week one. It's never this bad. 18 penalties. That's the worst since 1951. Lost by 30.

Even Cleveland hasn't done that in like 20 years. And by the way, there's plenty of teams in this league that are going to get better. I think Cleveland's going to be better this year. I think Buffalo is going to be better this year. I think San Francisco's going to be better this year. I think the Jets are going to be better this year. And I've said that for the last two months. But you don't hear Bill's players and GMs and coaches and Jets players and coaches

and San Francisco players and coaches talking about Super Bowl. they got what they deserved. This league will humble you. So come into it, being humble, and that drop in the embarrassment will not be as severe. Finally, yesterday, Freddie Kitchens, finally sounded humble. This should have been nine months ago. We've got a locker room full of disappointment right now,

which we should have. That's not the way we want to be represented. We lost our discipline, we lost our composure. But it's one game, and we're going to be tested. Adversity, you either, you take adversity and you either run together, run toward each other, or you run away. And I think we've got a bunch of guys who are going to run toward each other, and we're going to be fine. Baker, three picks, pick six.

That was dangerous. Do yourself a favor. All you guys out there in life, less successful you are, thinner resume, don't talk as much. Later in life, pad the resume, success, make some lettuce, got some wins, have a trophy, have a ring. Talk all you want. Cleveland, you had no business ever one time calling yourself dangerous.

You were nothing more than interesting. And by the way, next four weeks, four good pass rushes against that Cleveland offensive line. They will be a good team by about week nine, but they got what they deserved. If you're not humble, the league will humble you. All right, that's a segue to this. I'm going to talk about Cedars Patriots in about 10 minutes. Let's talk about the AB to the Patriots. Now, you know how I feel about AB.

I think Pittsburgh eventually is going to be fine without him. They're good at finding receivers. I think Oakland and AB was never going to work. It was a bad match. My takeaway on AB and New England, I will tell you. But first, of course, I'm going to show you the video. AB finds out. Many people thought he manipulated his way to New England.

It was this sinister plan. I don't really buy conspiracy. But this video was pretty funny when AB found out he was a patriot. All right, found out released by the Raiders. Now let's talk about New England and Antonio Brown. I'm hearing a lot of this. It's going to be Randy Moss. Oh, no, it's going to be a disaster.

It's going to be Ocho Cinco. I don't think it's going to be either. I do not think, I'll put it this way, is that I tend to believe child psychologist, psychologist will tell you this. Your personality is formed fairly early, and you don't move off it much, even if you wanted to move off it.

A, B, is rich. He's not moving off it. I think this will work for a year or two, and that's all Bill Belichick wants. Bill Belichick's pan in $10 million. and by the way, when he leaves, he'll get a compensatory traffic. This is really no risk. This defense for New England is so good.

If A.B. X up, he's out. They're going to get to the AFC championship. Super Bowl, I don't know because of Kansas City. They're going to get to the AFC championship with this defense. And Brady and Belichick, they're just going to get there. It's the best New England defense I have seen since the Teddy Bruske days. There's no risk here. We're not paying him anything.

Julio Jones, a lot of people yesterday, I got a lot of texts from players and GMs. And they were like, this is bad for the league. It's bad for the league. And I'm like, not really. The winner this weekend was not AB. The winner this weekend was Julio Jones, who this morning got a $64 million check, direct deposited into his bank account.

64 million. AB made 10. He lost 20 million this weekend. Not a big winner. He went to a winning organization. My takeaway is this is going to feel like Dorel Revis to the Patriots. I never felt Dorel Revis. was the Patriot DNA.

But Bill needed him, and Bill had a roster he loved, and Bill had an offense he loved, and he thought, I'm not losing a Super Bowl because I can't make a stop in the defense. And I think Bill Belichick looks at this defense and says, I'm not losing a Super Bowl because I can't go over the top and just outscore Kansas City.

I think some of this is facing Patrick Malhomes. And I think Belichick knows this is the best and deepest, smartest defense I've had ever in New England, or at least in 10 years. I'm not losing to Patrick Mahomes in a shootout because I can't make one more play. And I don't think it's a huge risk. It's Dorel Revis. It's mutually

beneficial. If the player AB leaves, they get a draft pick. If he doesn't, they keep him for a couple years. They're keeping him because he's giving you great production. Now, I do think A.B.'s Personality is different than New England's personality. He tends to be a little cocky. They're humble. He tends to be public. They're private.

But I don't see it as a disaster. And I don't see it as Randy Moss. Remember, New England has done this. New England dates everybody. They've married one, Tom Brady. They're Tinder, not e-harmony. They date all sorts of personalities. Albert Hainsworth and Ocho and Rannie Mae.

They do this all the time. Small college schools, big college schools. Sometimes they have a guy Jamie Collins. He ticks him off. They trade him to Cleveland. They get him back and he comes back and he's great. New England gets coaches to come back. Josh McDaniel.

They get players to come back, Josh Gordon. This is what New England does. New England samples all sorts of personalities and relationships. coaches leave and come back. Players come to New England, Josh Gordon, make a mistake leave, come back. Jamie Collins, we had him. He ticked us off.

He leaves, disappears, he comes back. They date, their tender all the time. They've had one serious long-term relationship, Tom Brady. And only because Tom plays by their rules. Tom takes a pay cut. Tom is coachable. Tom lets Belichick yelled him in public.

This is what New England does. This is not shocking. It's not ruining the league. It's what they do. And there's a reason adoption agencies take so long with vulnerable kids going into families. They want to make sure the family is right. And organizations win Super Bowls, not players, organizations. Organizations, NBA players win championships.

NFL organizations do. A.B is not worth a point. OBJ is not worth half a point. And this organization is. amazing and this player tends to be dramatic, has moved a lot, would make a lot of teams vulnerable, sometimes himself feels vulnerable.

But it'll work. It'll work. We all date, then we marry one. They've made a decision in New England who their lifelong mate is. It's Tom Brady. That's that. That allows them all sorts of opportunities

to go on Tinder and check out new and fun. And this has big deal. I don't think it ruins the league. The winner this week was Julio Jones. AB wasn't even the biggest winner financially at his position. I think we tend to overreact. I think AB can make people uncomfortable who love the structure of the NFL, and it makes a lot of people uncomfortable. He said diva. Sleaks had divas for 50 years. NFL, I've seen AB a thousand times. And it generally works the same way. T.O. Ocho, A, B. You didn't watch them in college. They come into the NFL,

and after about six years with their first team, you're like, oh, my God, they're all the time. And then go to a couple teams that doesn't work out. And then they eventually get somewhere, T.O. to Philadelphia or A.B. to New England. And it kind of works for a couple years. Randy Moss was like D.O.A. And then it worked. And then they kind of go back eventually in three or four years, AB will be rich and, you know, kind of dramatic in AB. But I think it feels like Dorel Rivas. Bill Belichick said, this team's too good. I'm not losing it because I have one weak corner.

And I think Belichick looks at this defense and says, I'm not losing the Super Bowl because I can't beat Patrick Mahomes. I can't stop him. And I just need one more big play. And they got Tyreek. And I don't have a guy that can equal that. And I think Belichick's rolling the dice. I think it's smart and I think it'll work.

All right. There you go. Mutually beneficial. That's all relationships, right? They should be mutually beneficial. Both. And have a few compromises here and there. That's right.

That's the world. It's called marriage. I got a bunch of stuff today. Michael Vick's going to stop by. I will tell you something. I know this morning, you know what I want to talk about, before I talk about the humiliation,

I want to talk about the Cowboys for a second in Dak Prescott. Because, and it's easy to, you know, pump my chest today, and Joy and I like Dak. But there's something valuable to learn on Dak Prescott and the Cowboys. Very valuable. And I think football is great because it's always changing. Now we've got college guys coaching in the NFL. I love the NFL because it's constantly changing.

Like you think you have all the answers. I mean, New England doesn't have tight ends anymore. Last night, okay, we won't throw to the tight end. Like, that's the whole league. So there's something to learn from Dak for all GMs, all scouts, all people, all fans. All media that's coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app.

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with that Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Great to have you back in. Dak Prescott looked very, very good. I've always said he's not Wents.

He's not Mahomes. He's not Russell Wilson. But you don't have to be to get paid and win a lot of games in this league. And Dak Prescott yesterday, got a new coordinator. The rhythm of the offense was fast. But I learned this a long time ago when I had my son.

My daughter was different, but my son is somebody, if you went on a long road trip, you had to bring some toys. You couldn't just ask my son to go in a six-hour drive in a car because he's not a big napper and just say, well, he's just disruptive. He's disruptive because dad, me, didn't provide the opportunity or the support system for my son to succeed. That was on me, not on my seven-year-old son. You learn that very early that some of your kids will just take a nap for five hours in the car. My son's not one of those. So it is imperative for me to provide opportunities for my son not to be bored out of his mind or he could be disruptive. Dak Prescott, he just needed some toys in the back seat a little bit.

Now think about this. A year ago, this is, he didn't have a Markup. He didn't have Ronald Cobb. He didn't have a healthy offensive line. Michael Gallup was a rookie, and he had an old, stodgy offensive coordinator. And now, end of the year, he was seven and one last eight. You're giving him some toys here. Now you give him a receiver that's not a rookie.

And now Randall Cobb, and now Jason Witten, and now the old line's healthy. And now it's Amari Cooper. Not all quarterbacks. You can just throw into this league at hyper speed and not give him any help and say, well, I mean, Carson Wens was able to. Carson Wence is transformationalally talented. Andrew Luck took garbage and went 11 to 5. Mitch Trubisky needed help.

Jared Goff needed help. Lamar Jackson needed support. He needed another wide receiver. Dak needed help. Like, listen, if you go to college, do you remember your first year in college? I was on academic probation. It was so fast. I was just not, it was too much for me.

I was having too much fun. I was partying. I was too social. I wake up and I'm like, I've got a two-one. So that's the NFL to all these quarterbacks. Even the good ones, it's just fast. It's just flying at you. Practice is harder.

The games are faster. The windows are smaller. It's fast. Some guys, some young kids, you can take in a five-hour trip in the car, and they're just put their little iPad and they're just listening to music. And then some, hey, you got to give me a little help. Dax, that's not wince.

He's not my homes. Just need a little help. And they got him a coordinator who just played in the game who's young and thinks just like Dack. And they got him Michael Gallup and it needed time to bake. And by the way, he was 7 and 1 last year

in the last eight when he got him, Marie Cooper, a smart, responsible veteran. They probably have a great locker room relationship. So this game is so overwhelming, so fast for all these young quarterbacks. 90% of them, they just need help. They just need time. They need a right coach.

Jared Goff needed a new offensive coach. Tribusky couldn't work with John Fox. It's better with Matt Nagy. Lamar needed some receivers. He got a couple. He looked great yesterday. The Wences and Mahomes are the exception. the support system.

We always want to blame the quarterback. What is the organization doing to help him? Because for the record, even the Luck in Mahomes and Wences need help, but they can kind of masquerade it because they're all-time talent. Every time the Cowboys give Dak a little better support, he gets better. Every single time. And the coordinator thing yesterday,

with Dack, Kellan Moore, a former player clearly is a massive upgrade in being comfortable. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.

So Kyler Murray made his highly anticipated NFL debut against the Lions. He did not have a good start. He went nine for 25 or 70 yards, no touchdowns in one interception in the first three quarters, but he did manage to turn things around in the fourth. With 15-4 yards on 15 completions

and two touchdowns to send the game into overtime. Crazy game, by the way, first three quarters, you're like, I can't watch. And then the fourth quarter didn't look anything like the first quarter. So sometimes you just need to get things going a little bit. Yeah. Get the rest off. So the game ended in a 27-27 tie, which was the worst, obviously.

But Cliff Kingsbury took the blame for his offense's poor performance. There was three quarters of the worst offense I've ever seen in my life, you know. And it was my fault. Like I said, bad play calls, bad, you know, just trying to do too much. much. And we'll get that corrected. I don't look at this start as a bad start for Kyler Murray at all. I mean, considering what we saw from Daniel Jones and Josh Rosen yesterday, which I think we're put in horrible situations, this is what you wanted to see.

Like, expecting anything more from Kyler Murray in the spot, I think it was a little unrealistic. Like, it was a rough start, as we know, but he's a rookie quarterback. It's his very first start. Have you noticed this 10 years ago? if you started a rookie quarterback, the media's take was you cannot expect, expect anything from them. Right. Now it's like, you know, Kyler Murray's first three quarters, he was terrible. He's never played a live NFL game of all these guys.

Like, take a deep breath. You have to have a little more patience. There's no expectations of the Cardinals this year. At least there shouldn't be. We're all just kind of watching to see what Cliff Kingsbury and Kyler Murray are. And this is not, this is not the game to free. got about. And you saw some growth within that game. Like the fourth quarter was

like you said, look nothing like the rest of the game. Now, obviously ending it in a tie is, like I said, the worst and nobody wants a tie, especially when you're watching it for that long. Like you want a winner. And so do the players. I think players hate the tie too. But you saw some good things from Kyler Murray. It wasn't

a disaster. So overall, I think it was positive. Well, the one thing I didn't love and I don't want to be like the body language, please, because I generally hate that but I didn't love his reaction to the dropped interception at the very end. I know that, you know, you do want the win, but there was a moment at the end where Tremaine Brock could have intercepted it.

Yes. Maybe they kicked a field goal and win, but it's like, I think, it was just not so emotional, like from a guy that we don't hear anything from really and never get any emotional reactions. For that to be where you show emotion, wasn't my favorite, but I'm not going to pick it apart. He's a rookie. So, a guy that had himself a day yesterday, Lamar Jackson, game of his life, actually. The Ravens beat the Dolphins 59 to 10. He went 17 for 20 with 324 yards, 5 touchdowns, and only three rushing attempts for 6 yards.

Yeah, I mean, he threw the ball. That's all he did. He threw the ball and it looked like, I mean, it was incredible, actually, is what it was. With his five touchdown passes, he tied Peyton Manning's 2013 record for the most touchdown passes in a week one opener. And after the game, he took a little shot at his critics. You said pretty much a whole offseason that you were going to throw the ball. Do you think you, you know, proofs the people that you were throwing the ball? Probably not.

Not bad for a running bat. Look, I don't want to be that person that says, you know, it's just the dolphins. But I do think some of the numbers were inflated from the dolphins. But like you said, the one great thing that you saw from Lamar Jackson was that he was throwing the ball. You know what, Joey, we said this last Friday, that my concern with Tribisky is, I don't get the great throws. With Lamar, there are limitations, but I've seen the great throws. Because I've always said, Trebiski and Lamar, I don't think playing from behind is going to be easy for them. The difference is there have been moments with Lamar.

I saw it because I was live at the charger game a year ago. And I'm like, oh, no, no, no. He made a couple of, he can flip it. My knock with Trubisky is I've seen none of this. I've seen games they've won. But Lamar can sling it. It's not like he can't throw the 50-yard ball accurately. And Lamar is the better athlete of the two.

I mean, if you're giving me an option between Lamar Jackson and Chubisky, I'm taking Lamar Jackson at this point. And that was before this game. Again, I think that there's some inflation of the numbers because of how bad the dolphins are. But he is an incredible game. And the way that he is throwing the ball now and not relying on the run in a spot where it would have been very easy to run on the dolphins is a great sign. So they should be more than pleased with that performance.

So the Cowboys offense was at full strength. with their 35-17 win over the Giants Sunday. Dak had an incredible game, as you just mentioned, a few minutes ago, 25 for 32, 405 yards, four touchdowns, and no interceptions. He tied a career high for touchdown passes in a game and had a perfect passer rating of 158.3. Giant secondary is not great. It's not a whole lot to be excited about on that defense. Wow.

But Zeeke had a little bit of a quieter game. He had 13 carries for 53 yards in a touchdown. After the game, Zeke admitted he felt a little rusty. obviously you know I was more rusty I didn't play the best game I have a lot of things I can improve on but you know that's just going to come with time

and just getting more reps and being out there long game incredible game out of DAC because not only did he have that game he had that wow Zeke was rusty and didn't have a huge performance and that is what all the critics are talking about is that he can't get the offense going without

Zique well for the record Randall Cobb acquired by this team we didn't talk at all about it. He's going to be an interesting player. Michael Gallup. Now you were right about that. Michael Gallup can play. Like, they

they've got some interesting. I mean, Amari's terrific, but for these young quarterbacks to get good slot guys, even Jason Witten in the red zone, like those are real things. Like everybody laughed at Jason Witten because of the Monday Night Football stuff. It's like, you think Jason Witten's going to have eight or nine big red zone plays like that this year? Well, that's the

difference between being 9 and 7 and 10 and 6 and playing at home in the playoffs and playing on the road. Like, they made a lot of these crafty moves, these Randall Cobb, Jason Wittins, all to help their young quarterback, it worked. I mean, I love the Cowboys this year. They're my Super Bowl pick. Derry also said that the after the game, that the deal with DAC is imminent. They're springing down the office.

Yeah, they're getting it all together. Yeah, it was fun to watch if you're a cowboy fan, Joy of the News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. Let's bring in Michael, Vic, four-time Pro Bowl, or 13 years in the NFL. one of the most exciting players in league history, a comeback player of the year,

career rushing yards by a quarterback, you still hold it over 6,000. I want to talk about DAC and Kellyn Moore, and I'm not taking a shot at all old coaches. Vic Fangio for Denver could work. But there is something to be said, if you're a quarterback, and you get a coordinator who just played,

who just was in the... So tell me about, what do you think about Kellan Moore and Dak? What are those meetings and film sessions like? I think it's a positive fit. I think it's an open line of communication. I think he can relate to DAC, and I think that can relate to him.

So, you know, when you play the quarterback position like Kellyn Moore has in his career, it's probably times where he think about his career. And, you know, I wish I would have done this better. And if, you know, if I'd have had an opportunity to, you know, be put in this position, I would have made the most of it. And he see that for that.

So I think the line of communication is open, where they can talk about concepts, they can talk about what may work. And it's nothing better than having a guy where you can talk to, can understand you, and put you in a position where you know you can be successful. That's what the confidence level comes from. That's what that looked the way he did yesterday. You always said that about Andy Reed, that Andy was the first real great offensive teacher you had. Teacher with an open line of communication to say,

Andy, you know what, I don't like this, coach. I'm not comfortable with this. and, you know, let's give this player a shot. You know, sometimes it's not easy when you have a coordinator who believes in certain things, yes, it's going to work and just give it a shot, and so you're wasting downs. You know, this is very interesting. Kellynne Moore doesn't have a system. Kellynne Moore has a quarterback.

And weapons. That he wants to create a system. So sometimes the older employee, like I've got a way, I talked to a buddy of mine who used to be a manager of people. He goes, I love getting college kids because I don't have to break any bad habits. I can teach them all their habits. And Kellyn Moore doesn't have any bad coaching habits yet. Yeah, I mean, it's proven that Kellan is a good teacher. The way they took advantage of the play action game,

with Zeke being back on the field, and it looked like the Johns was playing a lot of cover two, Tampa, too, and just the play action was Zeke was sucking the linebackers up, and the tight ends and slot receivers, Randalli Gallup was getting behind the mic backer down the middle. I mean, simple stuff that works. And sometimes that's all you need. I think Kellan understands that from being a quarterback

that you have to sometimes dumb it down a little bit do the things that's going to be efficient put points on the board. Yeah, I mean Tom Brady's been taking snaps for 20 years. For young players, there is value in simplicity because it allows you to be, you can play

faster. Right. Dak didn't look like he had to worry too much. I mean, it was like ball out, boom. It was such a quick rhythm. He was in a rhythm. He was in the rhythm. The protection was great. Having Zeke was probably the biggest reason everything worked because you have to pay attention to him

and then you got Cooper, you got Gallup, you got Cobb, that's a lot of the game plan for it. And I know the New York Giants, you know, aren't as good personnel-wise, but still, this is the NFL. I mean, guys out there playing hard, but they're just getting beat. And that was a credit to the system yesterday.

The game plan beat the New York Giants the way they did. Okay, stick around, Michael. I want to talk about Baker Mayfield's mess. Lamar Jackson was fantastic. A, B to the Patriots. A, B. to discuss with Michael Vick. That is coming up.

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They went and got Mark Ingram. They went and drafted two wide receivers. So like you, they're like, we like him, but running should be a clear fourth option. What did you make of Lamar yesterday? What did you see that you like? I mean, obviously, he threw for a zillion yards. Oh, man, it was an amazing performance about Lamar. I didn't expect that, you know.

But, you know, when you spend your entire offseason working on your passing game, working on your accuracy, spending time with your receivers, doing the things that you're supposed to do as a quarterback to make sure that when you step on the field, week one, you give your team everything that you can, it showed. And regardless of it was the Miami Dolphins, you know, it's still the NFL. They were on the-you-still. You're on the road. Yes, you're on the road. It's not easy.

It's week one. Haven't had a ton of reps in preseason. And the game plan was just, I mean, it was stunning. Lamar didn't pull it down and run it too many times. You know, we don't see any running highlights. all passing highlights and, you know, that's growth at the quarterback position. So, you know, obviously these game plans are probably changed from weekend and week out, but I think the Dolphins probably came in expecting something different and

they got served. I'll tell you something, you never hear about Lamar Jackson in the offseason. Every time I heard about him, he was practicing. Yeah. Nothing. All this organization done is support him, get him help. I never see Lamar Jackson is never distracted. Maybe he's doing commercials.

They're not showing up on the channels I watch. That kid is focused. He's like Dak. His mom helping stay focused as well. He is all in. Let's talk about Baker Mayfield. Here's what I worry about. Baker's talented.

I'm not denying that. Cleveland's offensive line is a problem. The GM traded away their second best offensive linemen to the Giants. I didn't get it. I don't think you trade away elite offensive linemen, especially from young quarterbacks. And Baker's 511 and a half. Baker's not Joe Flacco.

big. I got to tell you, I watch that offensive line, Michael. Baker better get the track shoes on. Let me tell you. The offensive line will be the reason you win or lose. I mean, especially down the stretch early on in the year, you see problems. They're correctable. You can fix them. But when you trade away guys who are like the staple, you know, the leaders of the offensive line, the guys who, you know, maybe a young guy on the offensive line may lean on or look up to, because of, you know, his abilities and where he stands as a, you know, pro-bo-caliber type of player, man, it goes a long way. It goes a long way as far as those guys jailing and the continuity.

Do you think offensive lines, bad ones get worse as the season goes on? Bad ones get worse as the season goes on. And then, you know, you have a team opponent that looks at the tape and say, okay, they're weak in this area. We're going to attack, you know, we're going to attack this gap. We know they can't protect the B gap, you know, in this type of formation. and the game plan for you and things just get worse. I've been there.

You know, we had a bunch of injuries in 2012 when I was in Philadelphia. On the old line. On the old line. And we just couldn't make up for what we had lost. And, you know, for a guy like Baker Mayfield who can be mobile at times, but, you know, that's not his forte. It's getting the ball out quick. It's him.

It's accuracy. And spreading the ball around. He needs that. If he don't have it, this is what you get. And then guys like Land. and Beckham, you know, they're not even an asset to the team at that point. Yeah, think about this. The six or seven best

teams in the AFC all have one thing in common. Chargers, chiefs, Steelers, Patriots all have pass rushes. Houston. Now, Houston may not like, have a great offensive line. The pass rushes in the AFC are real. Tennessee, Jarrell

Casey. So to me, Cleveland's weakness is the strength of the elite teams in the AFC, which is we're going to be, we're going to win one-on-one battles outside of the left guard for Cleveland. They don't have an elite lineman on their roster. That's such a downer because a team with so much potential, you can't protect. Game over. Game over.

You don't go far. All right. Let's talk about Antonio Brown. You were in the league long enough 14 years. I never thought the Oakland thing would work because they're too dysfunctional for a dramatic personality. Right. Pittsburgh, it worked, should be noted, for a long time. Yeah.

I think it works in New England for a while. It feels Dorel Revis. He's great, mutually beneficial. I don't think it'll be Randy Moss successful. Could be. But my takeaway is, here's my question with you. If you're a Twitter guy and a social media guy and you go to the one organization that just ban...

They don't tolerate it. They don't let their assistant coaches talk to the press. Right. Can he change a little? Well, I think Antonio is at a crossroads where, you know, he can read between the lines. You know, I think in free agency this year, it was a ton of teams who could have probably paid Antonio, Brungham in. He could have been an asset for him. You know, Antonio ends up in Oakland.

And listen, not to knock Oakland, but when you go to Oakland sometimes, it could be guys' last stop. By the way, Randy Moss went to Oakland and just shut it down. Yeah, shut it down. He's like, he shut it down, not going to play for you guys. It could potentially be a last stop. and I thought it would work with Antonio. I thought there was a team that really needed him. But, you know, now he's in New England.

You know, the tolerance is going to be different. Can he make the adjustment? I think this is where Antonio true leadership skills will have to come into play. You know, you have Tom Brady. You have Bill Belichick, you know, two guys in the NFL who, you know, just their presence, you know, can change, you know, the way you look at, you know, anything in life.

You know, so I think Antonio is going to have to put the phone down. Andy Reid, you said Andy Reed did this to you. You matured. Yeah. Andy had a heart to hark and said, Michael. Right. Okay, it's time for you to be an NFL veteran player. Yeah.

And Andy Reid, because you respected him, changed you. Yeah. Do you think Belichick looks at AB and says, here's my nine trophies or here's my six trophies? Can he change him? Yes. I think AB is going to have so much respect for time. mind you, I've seen on plenty of occasions, A, B, and Ben, interactions. And, you know, from my standpoint, my way of looking at it, I thought,

and I felt like they really had a good relationship. That's what I thought early. On the field, I mean, Tony was always smiling. He loved Ben, you know, if you ask me, and I know he'll feel the same way playing with Tom. AB is really happy when things are going well. He loved to win, but he loved to get the ball. And the one thing about, you know, the New England Patriots,

they're going to find a way to make, you know, this acquisition work regardless. And if it don't, then we'll see. But I can't see a guy like Antonio as talented as he is with the rest of those guys, not coming into this organization and being successful in his own right. For whatever role they're going to allow him to play.

I mean, they look so good, last night, it almost looked like, you know, why was this decision even made? But, you know, they got some up their sleeve like they always do. So I think he'll change. If it's two guys that can change him, it's Belichick and Tom. Kyler Murray running around, looked overwhelmed a little bit. I'm just going to hold off. Detroit's got the fourth best defense in their own division.

I'm not making any calls on this. He does look a little small to me, but he does throw an accurate football. Kyler Murray, any thoughts what you saw? Yeah, it took him a while to get going. And listen, I didn't expect him to come out. to look like Patrick Mahomes in the second year. I knew it was going to be some growing pains. Like I said yesterday, he has to learn on the job

and it took him three quarters, but he found a rhythm. Got it right. Detroit's not that good of a team. It was a good opening day for him. We'll see how he progressed. Do you remember your first NFL start? Yeah, I do. It was a disaster. It was a disaster against the Dallas Cowboys.

Fast. Fast. Speed of the game was different. I played a little bit in week one, but it was like four or five snaps. I wasn't in total control, and I didn't have the responsibility of leading the team. But it was way too early for me.

I just wasn't ready. Yeah, by the way, that's okay. And these guys are getting opportunities to play as rookies, which means, you know, in three or four years from now, you know, he may be looking like Dak Prescott out there. I wouldn't be surprised. All right. Michael, Vic, great stuff, 13 years in the NFL.

So, you know, it's funny, Michael. When you, Colin right, calling wrong, top of the hour, I want to go back to the Cowboys for a second. When I watch Dallas, here is my takeaway. just in terms of, if I said, A to A minus players, Dallas has eight. Like when I watch all the teams, I think New England's the most efficient team. I don't think they're the most talented. When I watched Dallas yesterday, I can make the argument.

They looked like the most talented team in the league. Is that crazy? No, that's not crazy. I was saying that last night. I mean, you know, guys like Michael Gallup emerging. And then I forgot about random cops. I see them catch a pass in a flat, and I see number 18. and he said, you know, Troa Aikman says, Randall Cobb.

And I'm like, what? Randall Cobb is on this team? You know, I mean, along with Amari Cooper, along with Zeke. DeMarcus Lawrence, Byron Jones, Fander Ash. I mean, they got corners. They got defense and linemen. They got two linebackers. It's probably one of the top duos in the league.

I think it is the best young duo. You watch them last night. The personnel department did an amazing job. Unbelievable. Amazing job. People can say what they want about the Cowboys in their dysfunction. I'm just saying when I watch that team play in terms of A to A minus players, they got about 8 to 10 and not many guys, not many teams can say that.

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We'll watch that as well. Joy, how are you? I'm doing great. What a weekend, huh? It was a great weekend, college and pro. We do it every Monday. I stand up. I'm right sometimes.

I make big opinions. Sometimes I'm wrong. Colin right, Colin wrong. On a Monday, as always at this time, here we go. Where Colin was right? I've been saying about Dak Prescott. There's a lot of different ways in the NFL to get paid at quarterback. Kirk Cousins got paid because of scarcity and Jimmy Garoppelo got paid because of potential. Dak Prescott's going to get paid because he wins football games. It's not a big armed talent, but he's good enough. And the other thing I kept saying all off season was, is anybody paying attention his last eight games once he got a Cooper. He was seven and one. Listen, man, you got to give this guy some toys. If you go back to the first year, he had high maintenance, Des Bryant.

Now he's got low maintenance, Amari Cooper. He had an old offensive coordinator. Now he's a former player, young offensive coordinator. They just keep giving him better weapons. And it seems to me every year that he gets a little toy here and a little toy there, he takes him and he gets better. Most of these young quarterbacks, they say the light doesn't go on until year two. year three, Russell Wilson, so it's year four.

Dax's gotten better, it seems to me, in the last 10 games. We were right on that. Where Colin was wrong. I would have not have predicted that Lamar Jackson would be setting records in the NFL his first start of year two. Some of it's the Dolphins, but I think organizations win in the NFL, and I think organizationally Baltimore has done a really good job to support him, get him backs, receivers, tight ends. They've always had good old lines there.

and he has really grown very quickly. I didn't think Lamar should play his first year. I said it before. I said sit in for the first year. Teach him the offense. Baltimore's well run. They put him in late in the year. And when the Chargers played him the second time,

they kind of unveiled him. But he's worked his tail off in the off season. You never hear about him. He's never distracted. All I ever hear is that he's at practice. And I'm happy for him. This league, you know what I kept thinking when I kept watching this game? Oh, the Cleveland Browns think the Steelers are the

the only team they have to worry about in their division, you don't want any piece of this Baltimore offense because it doesn't look like anybody else's. They didn't even run him yesterday, and it was still lethal. Where Colin was right? Freddie Kitchens, really, never been hired as a coordinator, and you guys think he's going to go toe-to-toe

with Andy Reed and Belichick, and even the coaches in the AFC were not sure good coaches like Bill O'Brien, Mike Vrable. They win a lot. like they went. Freddie Kitchens, 18 penalties, five sacks, three interceptions, an ejection, 43 points allowed. Come on, coaching manners in this league. Is anybody paying attention to this stuff? By the way, Cleveland did not adjust. The Brown surrendered more points every quarter. So the coaching got worse. Three, nine, ten, and twenty-one. That was a poorly coached team.

It would be easy for me to just destroy Baker Mayfield today. He had no infrastructure. No support. The defense got worked. That was a poorly coached team. Here's Delaney Walker. Excellent, tight end for the Titans afterwards. Recircle this game. This is just another game.

We ain't worried about it. I'm going to tell you again, man. They were who we thought they were. Y'all can crown them if you want to crown them. We still got to play football. That was perfect, by the way. Where Colin was wrong. I thought the Steelers were the best-looking team in the entire preseason.

That was a mess. They didn't even really try to run the football. You know, it wasn't the penalties. They only had five. You know, when are they going to face Tom Brady and figure out? You've got to mix up coverages. The back end looked pathetic. Brady had plenty of time to throw.

They didn't run the football enough. They looked disorganized. And I know some of this is, listen, New England's a bad matchup for Pittsburgh. Brady just eats this, you know, defense alive. But if you'd have told me, I mean, Pittsburgh, I thought had a chance for an upset. And you were watching that game and you were midway through the first quarter and your thought, is this just another Tom Brady surgical effort against Pittsburgh? I think that's the worst of all the Pittsburgh losses in Foxborough.

This one felt embarrassing. I mean, this was really, really bad. where Colin was right? If I had to hear Nick Foles is better than Carson Wence another time. Listen, Nick Foll's a good kid and he's coachable. He's got a pretty good arm. Carson Wince is a once-in-a-decade franchise draft pick. You know what Carson Wins is?

He's a bigger, stronger, Aaron Rogers. His release, the way he flips the ball from different angles, 28 of 39, 313 yards. He's bigger, stronger, Aaron Rogers. and I feel terrible for Nick Foles getting hurt, but Nick Foles is not the kind of player, as I predicted. Foles, once he left a great organization and was going to be asked to carry a bad organization,

he can't do that. That's not who Nick Foles is. Carson Wentz is unbelievable, not because of yesterday. Watch the games. Watch his release. Watch his size. Watch his arm strength. Watch his velocity.

There's a reason. Philadelphia with the injuries. Howie Roseman's like, yeah, we'll sign him now and take our chances on his injuries. That kid's unbelievable. He and Foles are not even in the same sentence. Where

Colin was wrong. Never been a big fan of Ed Orgeron. Great guy. Never felt he kind of had the it quality to be a head coach. But Ed Orgeron at LSU, I think they may be the best team right now in the country. Ed Orgeron figured out, here's what I'm not. And he gave the offense

over. And LSU can finally, for the first time and a long time, throw the football. They went and hired a guy named Joe Brady from the Saints, and they said, Joe, just run our passing game. LSU always have athletes. They always are fun to watch, but you're always like, if you make them throw the ball, they're weak.

This LSU team can throw the football. And Ed Orgeron, I think he kind of figured it out. Listen, I've said this about myself. I got, I thought, pretty good in this business when I figured out what I wasn't, and stopped trying to convince myself, It was stuff. And Ed Orgeron, like, listen, I coach defense, I recruit, people like me.

I'm going to give the passing offense to somebody else. And LSU looked fantastic. Where Colin was right? Said before the draft, the one player in the draft I knew would not bust was the tight end from Iowa. Now, I know I rip Iowa football all the time. I love their tight end. I said the Patriots and trade picks and go get T.J. Hawkinson. he said he had six catches, 131 yards.

It was the greatest first game ever for a tight end in the NFL. And tight ends a position where rookie tight ends can struggle in this league. He is unbelievable. This is the player I said of all the first round players. The only one that I knew would come in and be super productive was him. I have had two scouting directors tell me in the last year. If New England gets him, it'll be unfair. He is gronk, but I think he's faster.

So T.J. Hawkinson is about to appeal off about 10 years of Pro Bowls. Where Colin was wrong. This Chip Kelly thing, thank God the Tennessee volunteers are higher profile and worse. UCLA lost to San Diego State at home. They played him 22 times and never lost. They got a quarterback right now. And Chip Kelly's offense is highly dependent on the quarterback and he's not a thrower. He may be a good leader and a runner.

He's not a thrower. They're a mess. They haven't played a Power 5 team yet. They were humiliated by Cincinnati, beaten at home by San Diego State. And again, this is going to be a long, slow build. But his offense is so predicated on the quarterback. And I just don't think they have the guy at quarterback that it is. And between the Niners and the UCLA job, he has had a bad last 30 games.

Where Colin was right? I said Melvin Gordon, I love you. And I think you're a good guy. But this is not a good holdout. Fire your agent. This is not a good holdout. The Chargers have Austin Echler and Justin Jackson, and Echler is a dog. Man, he can play. And yesterday he was unbelievable. And listen, I like Melvin Gordon, and I think he's going to come back.

But he gave up money. He's never going to get back. And if you look, since Anthony Lynn took over for the Chargers, everybody runs for four yards of carry. And it's not even a good offensive line. The Chargers' O line is the weakness of their team. But Anthony Lynn is a power coach with a presence. They run the football well. And Austin Eklers is a very high-end backup. A lot of times with these holdouts, it's your leverage.

Who's my backup? How bad do they need me? Melvin Gordon's a good player. He is not for that offense and that position I have to have to win lots of games. Melvin, come back. You're a good player. but in this situation, the longer you stay out, you're going to have less and less leverage.

Where Colin was wrong. This morning, Andy Dalton leads the NFL in passing yards. I don't know what happened. A.J. Green didn't even play. They faced Pete Carroll's Seattle defense, and Andy Dalton leads the NFL with 418 passing yards. And Cincinnati, for the record, has maybe the worst offensive line in the league.

And Andy Dalton leads the NFL in passing yards. I don't have a lot to say about this other than I don't know what happened. Now, I did not watch every snap of this game. There may have been something that happened with weather that projected the ball down the field for 100 yards several times. I was wrong on this. I never thought I'd see this. AJ Green did not even play.

Andy Dalton leads the NFL in passing yards. Where Colin was right? I told you Thursday. the story was not going to be Aaron Rogers. It was not going to be the Bears defense. It was going to be the Packers defense. How Washington could let Green Bay get Preston Smith is beyond me. The last two years, the Packers have drafted excellent defensive players.

They've made it a priority. They've gone attracted and acquired smart, mid-level defensive players. Preston Smith, they drafted Darnell Savage. Green Bay this year is not going to be just the. Aaron Rogers story. In fact, I think he and Matt LaFleur will grow over time. This is the first top 10 defense Aaron Rogers has had since his Super Bowl team. It will be the story at least early this year for Green Bay. Where Colin was right. O'Dell Beckham never wanted to go to Cleveland. It was not good for his brand. So I believe O'Dell Beckham is trying to make

branding a bigger part because he got some freebies in New York. So he bought an orange Bentley in the off season. That wasn't about football. That was about, I'm in Cleveland. I'm still America. I'm still here. This weekend he wore a $350,000 watch during the game. This is what I worried about O'D O'D Beckham. Not that he isn't a good football player, but he has a house in Hollywood, a condo in New York, and he vacations with supermodels in Paris. Cleveland was not ever a perfect destination. And if Cleveland loses, then he's on a bad team and nobody's talking about him. So he is going to make

several brand plays while he's in Cleveland. And they don't exactly relate to the masses in Ohio. $350,000 watches and Orange Bentley's. I don't like this. It's not the end of the world. But he didn't have to do the Bentley thing and advertise it. He didn't

have to do the watch thing in New York because it's New York. You get talked about because you're in New York. Watch this carefully. As if Cleveland struggles, OBJ is still a losing player, but now in a city that even in the Midwest, nobody talks about. This could be ugly. This could unravel if the Browns go one and four, and nobody's talking OBJ.

Colin right, Colin wrong. Packed today. You know, I know a lot of people are freaking out about the Steelers. Let me in Pittsburgh make you feel at least just slightly better, slightly better. Plus Trent Dilfer is coming up. It's the herd. Sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app.

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like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker walks up to me, he goes, Hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What? Time out. Quarterback on office, Blue, 42. A rep, my mama want you to wave at her.

What? Hey, Ms. Parker. Listen to the Cliverts show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what.

He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows. Without Luca and Austin Reeves, I gather. to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted

this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some

playoff history too. Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball like. After you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

By the way, Stieler fans are freaking out today. Let's add some context here. Let me add some context. Yes, Big Ben looked terrible. What quarterback and coach did they face before Big Ben? McVeigh and golf in the Super Bowl against New England. they look terrible. Who was before that?

Andy Reed and Mahomes couldn't move the chains against this defense for three quarters. Who was before that? Philip Rivers had his worst game as a pro. Who was before that? Sam Darnold had his worst game as a pro. This defense for New England is nasty.

It led the NFL in pressures last year. They've added two good pass rushers. They have the best secondary in the league. It's the best coach defense in the league. Bill, I've been saying this now for a year. Belichick told people this is going to be my most athletic

defense perhaps ever they are loaded it is the best first of all they don't make mistakes you never beat them over the top so just forget that they are so well coached so smart they don't get the big home run sacks they led the

NFL though in pressures so this is not a rare thing New England made Mahomes look bad golf look awful McVey was undressed. Donald was putrid. Philip Rivers couldn't move the ball. Big Ben was bad.

This defense is really, really good. And Belichick's been telling people, privately, this is my youngest, most athletic defense and my deepest defense. By the way, you're not going to see the end of this. Their next five games, Dolphins, Jets, Bill's, Washington, and the Giants. Case Keenham, Josh Allen, Sam Darnold,

Heli Manning and whoever the Dolphins start at quarterback. They're going to post these numbers for the next five weeks. This is a real defense in New England. Stefan Gilmore just took Juju Smith-Schuster out of the game. Took him out of the game. And Pittsburgh couldn't run the ball. Just go back to the Super Bowl. Go back to that Charger game.

Go back to the first half, Kansas City, Andy Reid-Mohms against New England. They have had in the last seven games one off quarter. this is a real defense by New England, and Belichick, of course, is a defensive coach. So he always elevates the personnel he has. Jamie Collins was there. He left. He came back. He's great again.

So watch out. Trent Dill for 14 NFL seasons. A Super Bowl champ and a pro bowler is joining us now. The head coach at Lipscomb Academy High School in Tennessee. He's got a winning record already. All right, let's start with the obvious for me. I thought Baker Mayfield needed to be humbled. I thought Freddie Kitchens

I thought we got too much noise this is a team with a battle line were you shocked by what happened in Cleveland yesterday Trent not at all I mean they built this thing on sizzle and flash and splash and brand building

stuff that looks really cool but it's not what wins for in the NFL and you know whether you have Tom Brady Baker Mayfield or Trent Dilfer I mean, you've got to win this thing with substance. It has to be built on a strong foundation. You can't have 15 plus penalties.

You can't turn the ball over. You can't be trying to get splash plays all the time. I think they're going to be fine. I think over time they'll regulate and they'll get back. Find an identity because they have talent usually wins out at the end. But there's going to be some big growing pains for the Cleveland Browns, as long as this thing's built on just sizzle. Antonio Brown Patriots.

I said, Trent, I think it's going to be Dorel Revis. I don't think it's more tender than e-harmony. I don't think it's built for five years. But I kind of feel like it'll work for some time. Your thoughts? Yeah, I'm with you on this one. You know what I've been telling people is if you have a really strong family foundation, right? In foundation, you have core values and you're strong in what you're doing,

then you can accept outsiders. You can have an exchange student. You can adopt a child. You can be a step-parent. You can have a nephew that has a sick person coming to your family environment and they'll adapt to you. You won't adapt to the culture they came from. They'll adapt to your culture.

Well, there's not a stronger family foundation, the NFL, the New England Patriots. I mean, they've just built it so, so firm, that no matter who you bring in, now has a choice to make. You're either going to be one of 53, like the greatest player that's ever put on cleats, Tom Brady does,

or you're going to still try to be the one. And Antonio Brown's been the one in Pittsburgh. He tried to be the one in Oakland, and that's not going to cut it. When Tom Brady sits him down at the locker and says, hey, bro, check it out. I'm like everybody else on this team. I hear you're the same standards for values as everybody else,

and you're going to as well, or you're not going to be here very long. I think that will resonate with Antonio Brown. I think it's going to work. And I think there's one more thing, too, that nobody's talking about. They don't need them. You watched the game last night.

They don't need Antonio Brown. Dorset, nobody talked about Dorset. That guy has beep, beep, beep, juice, like roadrunner juice. he was a high draft pick he can take the top off of defense they got Elman they got a mentally stable Josh Gordon who's just a monster they got runners

they got the greatest player of all time they have the fastest defense they've had in a long time they got the best coach in the history of football they really don't need them and I think they'll make that clear to Antonio Brown is you need us more than we need you because if we let you go do you think anybody else is going to

take a chance on you? Yeah all right Dak Prescott you know we We tend to, this game is very fast. I said this earlier today. My first semester in college, it was going too fast for me. I was overwhelmed and I didn't have a great support system. Even great students, socially college. It does not like high school.

And I think Dak Prescott is just like most young quarterbacks. You give him another toy. You give him another year. Like I don't think he's talented enough like Pat Mahomes to play very early and be an MVP. But I'm watching him last night and I'm like, every time Dallas gives him a new little receiver and a slot guy and a new coordinator, he just keeps getting better and better and better.

Is it possible that his ceiling is not as low as a lot of people think? Yeah, and I can't wait for Collins right, Colin's wrong on this one. My favorite segment in the history of television. I've told you that. This is going to be a Collins Wrong segment because Dak Prescott's going to compete for an MVP. And he may not be one of the 15 best players in the league, but it's set up for him to be one of the ones. of the top five most successful.

Do never underestimate a veteran quarterback, as good as John Kittner, who has a passion for coaching, to have the influence of me like that can have on a young quarterback. And then Kellyn Moore, the offensive coordinator, you have two guys now that see the game through a quarterback's lens all the time. Everything they do in every meeting, every scouting discussion, every piece of tape they watch. They're watching it through Dak Prescott's eyes. They know Dak Prescott's DNA. They know how to get the

best out of Dak Prescott. And they understand that the guy that touched the ball, 65, 70 times a game, that you've got to make it go for him. And they're going to do everything they can to make the game go for him. Oh, and by the way, they have one of the best offensive lines in football, if not the best. Oh, they

have talented skill position guys. Oh, they have one of the top five runners in the league. Oh, and they have a defense that will run and hit you and get the ball back. So the Cowboys are, I mean, the move to get Kittenden and Kellyn Moore in there to run the offense and to handle Dak Prescott will go down this year as significant as when Frank Reich and Doug Peterson were with the Philadelphia Eagles and what they got out of those quarterbacks. Wow. Dak Prescott will have a fantastic year, largely due because Dak Prescott's very good, but also because Kellan Moore and John Kittner are too as good as there are in all football. I want to go to Kyler Murray.

Again, Detroit's defense is probably fourth best in their own division. He's struggled early. The one thing you can't take away from him, he throws an accurate football. Still a little small for my taste. You know, what do you make of the game as a whole? The good, the bad, what did you make of it? Well, nothing surprised me because if you go back, and I think everybody should do this if you're on the Calais-Ban wagon or if you're not.

Go back and look at this high school career. Never lost high school football game in Texas 6-8 football. and they weren't always the best team. The one thing Kyler Murray has never done in his athletic career, baseball or football is flinched. He has zero flinch. He's one of those unique, unique competitors that never changes. He's fierce.

He's confident. He brings out the best in people. Sometimes he runs people the wrong way because it looks like arrogance. But this is who he's been since who's a freshman in high school. And what I saw, I saw some, yeah, some height issues. I saw some inconsistencies. but I saw him go to the sideline every single time they did the one shot him on the sideline, and he looked exactly like he did his junior in high school when they were trailing 14 in a football game,

or when he's in college and things aren't going his way. He just doesn't change. He's unflappable. He's an incredible competitor. And I think that's what you're going to see if you follow the Kyle and Kyler-Murray situation is, yeah, there's going to be things from a quarterback perspective that some are going to like and some aren't going to like. But what everybody's going to love is the type of competitor. is. You're always going to be in a football

game with them. You're never going to feel like you don't have a chance if Connerner is your quarterback. By the way, first season is Lipscomb Academy head football coach in beautiful Nashville, Tennessee. Already off to a winning record. Of course, he is Trent Dill for love having you on the show in a Monday.

And put some viral stuff up there so I can watch your offense. Can you put that up on the bandwidth.com, the internet thing there, Trent? Where do they call it? They mean you aren't very good at, but Yeah, L.A. L.A. Mustang football on both Twitter and Instagram.

We got a full production team that tracks their stuff. It's fun to watch. We've got our own barbershop and the best weight room in the country and all kinds of cool stuff. So we'll talk more about as the year goes on. Thanks, Trent. All right, buddy. That was good.

Yeah, he likes Dak. You know, man, this game's changing, Joy. It is, first of all, college kids come into the pros, and they can play way sooner. Like, that's not arguable. Second, the offenses look different. And I said this last week, and Jimmy Johnson came up and said, I like this. I said, running quarterbacks working this league.

They do. They just don't last. So while you're learning and waiting for the light to go on, run around a little bit. Figure it out. Russell Wilson ran for a couple years. Then he tells me after year two, he's like, everything slowed down. Everything comes like, oh, okay, this guy can get all right. I get the game now.

And by that time, you've won a bunch of games because you're running around. If you got the running ability, run. You know, just move. Get, make plays happen because by and large, you can slide now. By the time you start to start the slide, I can't touch you. So I'm for running around first couple of years. Just be smart about it. Run out of bounds.

Slide. Pick up first downs. But it's not like running doesn't work. It doesn't last for nine years. Ask Cam Newton and Big Ben. You're not the same player eight years physically later, but it can work. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Nothing worked for the dolphins yesterday. Oh, they suffered a brutal 59 to 10 loss to the Ravens. Head coach Brian Flores has insisted the team is not tanking. But apparently some players are beginning to disagree. Sources are saying that multiple dolphins players have asked their agents to find trades to get them out of Miami. They believe the team isn't serious about winning now in hopes of getting top drop picks to build a better team later.

and the dolphins have said that they have not been contacted directly by any players or agents regarding trades. Well, there's a couple bad teams. They're one of them. I mean, they're not the only team. The difference is the opt-if. First of all, Baltimore may be, Joy, pretty good. Well, yeah, that's one thing. You're talking about, you know, a quarterback running around and then figuring it out. Tell me how-jaxon. Anybody watched the Giants last night? Giants did not look good yesterday, and they did something similar to what the dolphins did, which the one thing about both of these games that I have. hated is like we knew the dolphins were going to be bad, right? And I had a pretty good inclination. The Giants were going to be pretty bad also.

I think people had them a little higher than I did. But what are you doing? What are you doing putting Josh Rosen and Daniel Jones in at the end in garbage time in this game? What are you doing? And it ended like a disaster for both of them. It's just a confidence killer for no reason whatsoever. You made this mess. Deal with it.

Why would you put, why would you do that? Why would you do that? Why wouldn't you just start them to begin with? It always goes back to that for me with this quarterback situation. And to me, it's just a reflection of the fact that there's no actual game plan here. And this is why I hate tanking or just even the appearance of tanking. I have a feeling in three years, maybe two, because I don't see the turnaround quickly here. Brian Flores is back being the defensive coordinator of the Patriots.

And I think this is one of these where I'm not sure you can correct this quickly. Like I don't see, because I think Josh Allen for the bills, I think Sam Darnold, and Tom Brady, those guys are franchise quarterbacks. I don't see the easy out here for Miami. I mean, I do. Like when San Francisco was bad, I'm like, once they say something girl up, I'm like, okay, this is going to work. You're fine for the next seven years.

I don't see the quick out for the dolphins here. This is not the NBA. No. You're not getting LeBron James. And then within 10 years, sorry, this bug just flew my face. In 10 years, you're going to turn the whole city and organization around. You don't have as many players. You have an entire other side of the ball you have to worry about.

Just because you got your franchise quarterback. What are you going to do about the defense? It was a disaster. It was 5910. I thought they were going to put 70 on them. What is happening here? It's not that simple. It sounds good.

Okay, we've got to do something drastic. There's too many moving parts to just tank and assume within three years you're going to be competing for a championship just because you got the guy. I watched the Jets and Bills yesterday. Those are much better teams than a year ago. This division is now just not New England and crud. Like there's Buffalo and New York Jets will be, they'll win 7, 8, 9 games this year.

Those are real teams. It's a disaster for the dolphins. So Patrick Mahomes led the Chiefs to a 40-26 win over the Jags Sunday, but he lost one of his top receivers in the process. Tyreek Hill suffered a clavicle injury in the first quarter and was taken to the hospital as a precaution. He won't need surgery, but he is going to miss a few weeks. It's kind of an Aaron Rogers-esque type of break there, kind of landed on and funny. So the Chiefs are going to take a few more days deciding whether to put him on the IR.

In that same game, the Jags also suffered a major injury. They lost Nick Foles, also broken. broke his clavicle, well he broke his clavicle on a touchdown pass and a bad hit late in the first quarter. He's going to have surgery today and is going to be placed on the IR. So a big loss for them. But Gardner, Minshue didn't look bad. He had 22 to 25, 275 yards, two touchdowns and one interception. And the Jaggs traded for Steelers, quarterback Josh Tubbs this morning to back him up.

But just a lot of injuries in that game. And Patrick Mahomes, he had a little injury there for a second and limped off. And everyone was kind of holding their breath about. that as well. But overall, the Chiefs did look good, and Sammy Watkins stepped up for the tri-reakil, nine receptions, hundred ninety-eight yards. Sammy's been paid a lot and not done a lot. Sammy was great yesterday. Yeah, he was. Finally, Patriots made the move of the weekends by signing Antonio Brown, and Tom Brady already has several options at receiver, but he knows the team is going to have to work to bring Antonio Brown into the crowded group. I think all those players

are trying to be the best player that we could be for the team. And there's a lot of things. things that play into that. You know, we're all trying to reach our highest potential individually so that we can reach our highest potential collectively. And it doesn't come together just because you say, oh, you know, all you guys are going to come together. And Tony's had a lot of production. Demarius has a lot of production. Julian's had a lot of production. Josh has had a lot of production. Philip had a great game tonight. So the point is, we've got, you know, we've got a lot of players that are talented. We just got to figure out how to make it all work. By the way, that's a fancy jacket. I was just that's the best looking

jacket I've ever seen in my life. And I'm not a style guy, but that's cool. You can pull that off? Al Michaels also reported last night that Tom Brady has an invitation to Antonio Brown to stay at his house until he gets settled in New England. He'll have to stay in the room with all the trophies and rings, so it's cramped.

That's kind of interesting, though, because he does like to get on the same page with his receivers, and you want to take full advantage of having Antonio Brown there. This is obviously an insane story. It's one of the craziest stories that I've ever covered in my career. Just never know what's going to happen day to day with the Antonio Brown situation. But it kind of always felt like the Patriots were going to be the one to land.

Let's not go crazy here and say it's the end of football. Did anybody not watch the T.O. Escapade for five years? It just, we've always had always in my life, back to the 70s. We've always had like the superstar receiver who's a little personality driven. He's good initially, then bounces. to a team it doesn't work, then he finds a better spot. It's like, take a deep breath. This will probably work.

Maybe not for four years. Maybe not for two. They don't need it to work for that long. Yeah, they'll be fun. They'll be fine. What I think people struggle with, and it's kind of a collision with the way that the NFL is set up being that it's the ultimate team sport,

is that everyone is not motivated by the same thing. The NFL is the ultimate team sport in the era of ultimate individuality. And you're only going to continue to see more and more incidents like what happened with Antonio Brown. They so have to embrace it. People aren't interested in

fitting in a box anymore. Kids come into the league with full brands and millions of followers and success already and money already. It's a new era and a new world. And I'm not saying that everyone's going to act like Antonio Brown. There's certainly not. But like you said, we've already seen

this before. It's only escalated because of social media and the way that Antonio Brown uses it. But it's not the end of the world. I think everyone's just reacting that way because the Patriots destroyed the Steelers last night and they didn't have Antonio Brown. Yeah. Crazy. Joy with the news. Well,

that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Live News. Bill Romanooski coming up next. The former Raiders who does some broadcasting for the Raiders. Raiders play tonight. They lost A beat. Bill next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific.

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And we're still chasing it. And we don't know when we've done enough. Because people scoreboard watch. Life becomes about wins and losses. Steve Burns, Dustin Ross. Because you find it important to be a good person while you hear on earth. Or are you a good person because you're afraid? Because that's two different intentions, bro. Absolutely. And that's two different levels of trust. I want you to just really be a good person. Join me, Kear Gaines, is we have real conversations about healing, growth, fatherhood,

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His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall.

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Bill Romanowski played for 16 years in the NFL. He was a multiple-time pro-Boulder with the Denver Broncos and has four world championship rings. Also does broadcasting for the Raiders, and they had a very chaotic weekend, and Romo was joining me on the phone. Bill, I'm told you were with Antonio Brown Friday night. Can you confirm that?

And where was that at? I was actually with him on Thursday. So not on Friday. Did you think or perceive he was unhappy? What was your takeaway on, A.B.? He was very unhappy. There was no doubt at that point he wanted out. The Raiders had called him and told him not to come in.

You know, I just went over there and tried to be a friend, tried to be someone to kind of help him through this. you know, kind of share with them different challenges I had that maybe he could relate to. And, you know, he wasn't buying it. I tell you what, but eventually he went in and apologized, as we all know, but then right after they fine him. Again, he went off on a $50,000 fine. and what do you think he's going to do with a $215,000 fine?

So clearly the Raiders didn't want him anymore. There's a lot of conspiracy theories that Belichick was working behind the scenes, and Antonio Brown never ever for a minute wanted to be a raider. Do you believe that could be true? I think he was in on being a raider. I think it came down to this. when he had his challenges in training camp, I think he just wanted to know that the organization was on his side.

I think he believed that John Gruden was on his side. I think he believed that his teammates were on his side. But I don't know if he believed that Mayhawk was on his side for things that he came out and said. And for that, I think he started, being like, well, why am I going to go out there and bust my ass if they're not going to be on my side and they're not going to fight for me? I see both sides of it. Bottom line, all the guy had to do was go in, show up, be there while he was having his foot challenges and his helmet issue,

and everything would have been fine, but he didn't do that. Do you think he can work with the organizational stability of Belichick, Brady, and New England? I think extreme structure will actually help him and will be a good thing for him. He's going to know what he can and cannot do. You know, just examples of showing up with a personal trainer. in a weight room or showing up with his guys that are videoing him on social media. Those are the things that he would do. And I think everyone kind of let that go.

I think right away he's going to know the rules in New England, and I think he's ready to play ball. I really do. By the way, Nutrition53.com is Bill's site. It's got great nutritional stuff. I take it regularly. By the way, you didn't miss a game from your rookie year until the year before you retired because you loved the game. That's a big part of this league because everybody's hurt by week three.

Do you believe A.B. loves the game. Loves the train. I think he loves football. I think he loves, you know, what the game brings him. And it's muddy, it's fame. And I think he enjoys that. I really do. But deep down inside, this guy likes to play football,

and he loves to train and train really hard. Yeah. Raiders tonight play. What should we expect from Oakland? are reasonable expectations, Bill Romanooski, on this Raider team, which has been very noisy for the last three to five weeks? I think there's going to be a little shift in strategy on offense. I think they have the ability to pound the football with the big offensive line. And, you know, they invested a lot of money in their offensive line. I think Josh Jacobs is going to get a lot of carries. and I think that's really going to help Derek Carr.

And, you know, hey, at the end of the day, Tyrol Williams, we're going to have to find out if he can be a number one receiver. And if he can go out there, which I think he can, I think this is still going to be an explosive offense, just not going to be as explosive if Antonio was out there. Nutrition 53.com is his site. He's a friend of the show. Bill Romanowski, have fun, my friend.

We will talk soon. Awesome. Take care. By the way, off of the Raiders' Denver game tonight, New England obviously crushed Pittsburgh last night. People are freaking out. My first takeaway is New England is going to do this a lot to a lot of people this year. This is an incredibly deep defense.

Secondly, they always say styles make fights. Pittsburgh's style doesn't work against New England. I'll give you an example. Nick Saban hates facing mobile quarterbacks because Nick likes to control everything in the box. And when Nick faced Johnny Mansell gave him fits. Deshawn Watson gave him fits. There have been more talented quarterbacks than Johnny Manzell that Saban is controlled. But Nick, his style doesn't always work well with quarterbacks that extend plays.

Mike Tyson, I covered him. Mike Tyson was great with brawlers. But if you were long, Buster Douglas, even if you were average, he fought some average guys. Mitch Green, long, keep him at bay, jab him. Mike got very, very frustrated. Mike like brawlers. John Harbaugh is a great coach.

And Mike Tomlin and Harbaugh met 22 times, 11 and 11. Okay, they split. But those two styles work because Tomlin is a high emotion, I'll meet you in the alley. Let's go toe to toe. And so Tomlin's had success against Harbaugh, and that matchup feels reasonable. I don't think New England and Brady are a good match for Pittsburgh.

They are surgical. They are precise. They are exact. And it makes the highly emotional, Steeler sort of sensibility look disorganized. Listen, Pittsburgh wins the, division and wins a lot of games. They can't be that disorganized. But you put them on the field with that surgical precision like last night and it looks bad. You're like, Mike Tomlin should be

fired. Mike Tomlin's never had a losing season. But styles make fights and this is a bad style. They just play zone too much. New England's got them figured out. Brady's numbers are better against Pittsburgh than they are in 33 matchups against Buffalo. Mike Tomlin after the game didn't want to hear it. It was just a mess. No need to sugarcoat it, man. We weren't ready for prime time tonight. All of us, not a good enough plan, not a good enough execution of that plan. You've got to tip your cap to those guys. It's humbling. It sucks. But that's the National Football League. It won't define us if we don't let it.

And that's what we talked about in there. But part of that is just acknowledging what I said when I opened. We weren't ready for prime time tonight. So we got to get back to the drawing board. We won't go undefeated. We're zero and one. Yeah. Again, let's not overreact. Pittsburgh's good, good offensive line. They draft well.

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I didn't like their GM trading away a very good offensive lineman in March. I didn't like Freddie Kitchens being named head coach because Baker liked him. I didn't like all the Baker nonsense. I didn't like OBJ wearing a $350,000 watch yesterday. That tells me brand is on his mind. Let's get a couple of wins and talk about football. I know Twitter probably thought that was lit. But in the end, the message you're sending,

Odell, is separating from the rest of the locker room. And again, there's a time and a place for everything. I don't mind you making a zillion dollars off watches. There's a time and a place for any discussion. There's just certain things. You know, you don't talk politics at Thanksgiving. There's a time and a place to talk politics. Thanksgiving dinner with all the cousins and relatives.

You know, that may be not the best time. You know, this tells me, brand's a big deal. Look at me. You're going to win the day on Twitter, but I've seen careers ruined in my business because they win the moment on Twitter. Baker too often. Let's win the moment.

Let's win the argument. Let's talk about football. This is not other sports. Let's talk about football and team. Pat the resume. Get some wins, wins, wins, wins, wins, wins, and by the way, Tom Brady gets offered a lot of things. He says no to him.

A lot of stars in this league get offered endorsements. I get offered stuff. Joy will get offered stuff from advertisers. You can say no occasionally. If you got $30 million in the bank, you can really say no. I didn't like that look at all. Here's Joy with the news. No, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, Sticking is Baker. The Browns did not live up to the hype this weekend. Specifically, Baker went 25 of 38 for 28 for 285 yards, one touchdown, and three. interceptions and a 43 to 13 loss to the Titans. And here

is Baker on why he's confident the team will bounce back. Everybody's going to throw us in the trash. I think that's good. I know what type of men we have in this locker room and quite frankly, I don't really give a damn what happens on the outside. I know how we're going to react. I know what we're going to do, how we're going to bounce back. And we've got a Monday night game coming up. So we don't really care.

We're going to go. What's your point about putting together some wins? And this was sort of what you were alluding to before the season's started about how they're going to struggle early. Their schedule is not friendly to begin the season. No, first eight games are rough. They have the Jets at the Jets, then they have the Rams at home, at the Ravens, at the 49ers,

Seattle at home, at the Patriots, at Denver, bills and Pittsburgh and the Finns at home. So it kind of evens out a little bit, and then they go back to Pittsburgh after their Dolphins game. So it's not like they have smooth sailing ahead. And based off of it, I don't want to be, you know, too overreactionary. to the first week, but teams that we thought were not really going to be that great this year looked good and competitive. You got to play Baltimore twice now, and they look pretty good.

I mean, again, I don't want to completely lose perspective that they were playing the Dolphins who would probably be the worst team in the league. You can't argue with the way that Lamar Jackson looked in that game. So, yeah, I don't think we should overreact to how bad it was. You just would have liked to see a little more consistency. The penalties were awful. Baker did not look good. It's just, and not even just based off of the hype.

Just that forget the hype. Forget we weren't even talking about them like that. Forget there weren't the commercials and the watch and everything else is going on. If you just look at their roster, that is not the performance that you want to have week one. Well, coaching matters. And who, why did we think Freddie Kitchens would be able to go toe to toe with Mike Vrable? By the way, as I've said, this week they go face Adam Gase. Adam Gase had a winning record in Miami.

Adam Gase is a better coach than Freddie Kitchens. Mike Vrable's a better coach than Freddie Kitchens. And we all know that coaching. We watched it last night is everything in football. Well, whoever you hire as the head coach of an NFL team should be able to go toe to toe to with any other coach in the NFL. So we all get Belichick's great. If you take him out, you feel like you shouldn't have a disadvantage with a guy in the headset. Like last night felt like Cleveland had a disadvantage.

And again, I don't want to overreact. And Baker is going straight back to the underdog and they're going to throw some of the trash. And I don't think that they're trash. I do think that they're going to win some games this year. I have them as a wild card. But you just can't put a performance like that. out there. And they're also, Joy, their three-point favorites again, Monday night football on the road in New York. So the Jets are going to hear all week, your underdogs at home. Cleveland hurt all

off-season. Six-point underdogs. Like, that motivates teams when you're told constantly, oh, this team is better than you coming to your place. And that's kind of what Baker is pitching, that everyone's going to be trashing them, so they're all going to come together, which I hope happens, because we want Cleveland to be competitive this year. You know, I want the fans booing them as they're going into for halftime. Kyler Murray made his highly anticipated NFL debut against the Lions yesterday. He didn't have a good start.

Nine for 25, 70 yards, no touchdowns, and one interception in the first three quarters. But he did manage to get things going in the fourth with 15 completions and two touchdowns, send the game into overtime and did it in 27 27-27 tie. And Cliff Kingsbury took blame for the offense's poor performance. It was three-quarters of the worst offense I've ever seen in my life. And it was my fault.

Like I said, bad play calls, bet's just trying to do too much. And we'll get that corrected. Again, nothing too much to overreact to here. I think that we need to be patient with Kyla Murray and with Cliff Kingsbury. There's not really high expectations for them this year, even if he is the number one overall pick.

Because it's just none of us really know what to expect from Kyler Murray. I don't. I just said before, I remember when I used to work in Vegas covering fights and people say who you like in the fight and I always always always like, can I watch two rounds? Other than Mike Tyson knocking bad guys out,

I was always like, I got to watch, let me watch the fight for two rounds. I don't know. You got to feel for it. I will say, though, a lot of batted balls in the game. So it was one of the things you're kind of afraid of, and you did see a lot of it. Yeah, I also saw, by the way, Sam Darnold had a lot batted down. So, you know, Sam Darnold's delivery sometimes is not high enough for my taste.

Actually, Baker doesn't get balls batted down. Baker's got a higher release point. So Sam Darnold had like four or five balls batted down. That was an issue for him, too. Yeah, again, nothing to overreact to. But we wanted to see a little bit of Kyler Murray in game full speed action. I hate that it ends in a tie. It's just like the most disappointing always.

Players hate that too. But you did get to see him develop within the game and show both within the game, which is positive. So Lamar Jackson at the game of his life, Ravens beat the Dolphins 59 to 10. He went 17 for 20, 324 yards, 5. touchdowns and only three rushing attempts for six yards. And with his five touchdown passes, he tied Peyton Manning's 2013 record for the most touchdown passes in a week one opener. And after the game, he took a little shot at his critics. You said pretty much a whole off the season that you were going to throw the ball.

Do you think you, you recruit the people that you were throwing the ball? Probably not. Not bad for a running, but I love that Lamar Jackson said that because, look, I was very skeptical of what the game plan, the Ravens had for him this year, because they said they were going to have him running. And I want to see him throw it because he can throw it. And I don't want his career to end early because he's running around unnecessarily. And you didn't see it from him yesterday. Now, I want everybody to watch this.

So our guys in the tape room. So Baker Mayfield, once again, when asked about yesterday, had kind of a chip on his shoulder. Watch Lamar Jackson now. We're going to run this again. Lamar isn't angry, he's not defiant. He's a happy kid. His mind is in the right place.

Like you talked about yesterday, Kyler Murray had a couple body language moments. Baker's always got a chip on his shoulder when he goes and talks. Watch Lamar Jackson when somebody talks about it. He just throws a little jab, but he does it with a smile. That tells me a lot about his personality. He's a happy kid. He wants to get better.

Watch his reaction again. You said pretty much the whole off-season that you were going to throw the ball. Do you think you include people that you were throwing the ball? Probably not. Not bad for a running, but... There is something to be said about body language and how you react to potential criticism. That's a kid who's really securing himself.

And he should be, because he knows the work that he's putting in for it. And he gets an incredible amount of critique. I mean, teams were asking if he was going to play wide receiver. Like he's joking about running back. That is insane when you watch that game yesterday. If you're a talent evaluator and you thought that he was just a running back or a wide receiver, and he goes and puts out a game like that. But he's not bitter about it.

No, because, I mean, if we were bitter about the critiques that we've gotten throughout our career, would we be here right now? Oh, I would have been buried long ago. Yeah. I mean, you can remember it and let it motivate you. But if you let it just take over your entire persona, it's going to be you're always trying to overcome something. It doesn't exist and it comes across as you're being aggressive to people that weren't even critical of you in the first place. Yep, Joy with the News.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie Brooks. My guy played in the NFL, scouted in the NFL, NFL, NFL network analyst, a guy to penned on. We had Trent Dilferon last hour. You get that cerebral NFL feel. All right, it's easy for me today. You're watching Baker implode.

You're probably thinking Colin's going to. Yes, I did. I thought you were going to kill him. But it's all. Also, my takeaway in this situation was John Dorsey hired a coach, in my opinion, that he could control. I don't think Freddie was the best coach available. I think my big concern on this team happened in March. It's a very average offensive line at tackle.

Their strengths was guard. They traded one to the Giants. I don't believe with Baker-Mayfield size, okay athlete, I think you build the O line up. You do not trade your second best offensive lineman, because I don't believe. I watched Cleveland yesterday, Bucky, and I see an offensive line that doesn't have a lot of, that ceiling is pretty low. And I look at their schedule, Baltimore, Pittsburgh twice. I mean, that old line, could that be a liability for 15 weeks? I mean, it could be an issue.

It could be an issue. But I understand their rationale because when you rank the positions of value in the pecking order, pass rush will always trump a guard. So when they had a chance to get Olivia Vernon, they felt like that he would give them more than what they had. and what they gave up. I will say this. I think we have to be careful because it's the first week and because so few, like,

there weren't a lot of teams that played a lot of their starters, extensive minutes in the postseason. You have to begin to treat September like an extension of the post season. Yeah, yeah, to your point, preseason now, good teams won't play anybody. Yeah, they're not playing anybody. So it takes a while for you to kind of find your groove as a team. And it's surprising because New England is a team that is always kind of,

hey, we'll kind of figure out what we are the first eight games, and then we'll settle in and hone in our identity. So I want to give Cleveland the benefit of the doubt in that regard. I also think for Kitchens, new head coach, trying to figure it out, we don't know what we don't know. And so the first eight games, the first part of the season, he'll learn how to be a head coach. For Baker Mayfield, what Baker has to understand in this league,

film is everything. And last year, they kind of took the league by surprise because you didn't know. Because there were a couple of different things that were to play. One, you had Baker Mayfield playing. Two, no one had a catalog on Freddie Kitchens and what he liked to call and how he liked to call it. Well, now, what every defensive coordinator does,

particularly division rivals and the like, they study the play callers. They study what they've done. What did the Cleveland Browns do the last eight games of the season? What Tennessee showed up? how does Baker like to play? What things does he like to do? And so what he saw was a game plan that was,

okay, Baker, last year you got away we're doing this. Now, can you handle the adjustments? The things that we will see from Baker Mayfield will ultimately determine whether he can be a good or a great quarterback. How does he adjust to the adjustments? How does he handle what everybody throws at him the first month of the season knowing, hey, this is how you played last year?

We're not going to let you do that. What is the evolution of? his game that allows him to have success. That's the difference between the good ones and the great ones in the league. So, Dak, I thought last year, took a step in his development. He looked great yesterday. Some of this, Michael Vick earlier, some of this is, and he's got a coordinator now that's like a peer.

Like that's, you know, little older than him. Talk about Dallas's offense. How much is Kellyn Moore part of this? Oh, he's a tremendous part of it. It's funny because. when you looked at this offense, Kelly Moore, one, is the son of a coach, and he played for a great coach at Boise State.

Chris Peter. And Chris Peterson. When I looked at Dallas and I saw the movement, I saw some of the shifting in motion, I was like, oh, that looks like Boise State. He's making it very easy for Dag Prescott. The other thing that you notice when you watch the Cowboys on Sunday,

the ball was out of Dak Prescott's hands quickly. It was snap, a couple steps, and out. He didn't dilly-dally. there wasn't a lot of stuff where he had the opportunity to get sacked. The ball was out, and so he was efficient. They also allowed him to use his legs. And so I saw a team that utilized not only every area of the field, but they utilized all their playmakers.

Randall Cobb, I forgot Randalli Cobb was a really good player. Then they put the ball in his hands on the perimeter. Then you saw Michael Gallup make a play, Amory Cooper make a play. And they haven't even started to really use Zeke Elliott. So I'm very optimistic on what this offense can be, but I'm really big on Dak Prescott because we saw it the last eight weeks of the season.

Once they got Amory Cooper, the Dak Prescott that we saw at the end of the year was one that was solid. He played like a high-end quarterback. And talking to people that are close to the team, that report on the team, they said that Dak had said the light came on about the last part of the season,

which makes sense. It takes three years of the determine whether you can play in the league. Dak Prescott finally feels like, okay, I got this now. I can play. And so with their confidence comes decisiveness, which comes better pride. You know, it's, so I'm watching New England and Pittsburgh last night.

And I said, I watched Mike Tyson. He was always great with brawlers. But Buster Douglas was long, had a jab. Larry Holmes controlled in first four rounds. Jab, Trevor Burbank, long guys, hide advantage, stay away from Mike, savvy guys in the ring Holyfield drove him nuts. I just think Mike Tomlin

style, it just doesn't work with Belichick. Their precision, their exact, their details. I think Tom knows what he, I think Tom would rather play that defense than almost any in the league. The numbers are insane. Can we just chalk it up to, it's a bad matchup

for Tomlin and the Steelers? Yes, it's a bad matchup. It's a bad matchup. For a lot of teams. Going all the way back when Dick LeBoe and those things were there. Yeah, Dick LeBoe, couldn't stop me either. Right. The Patriots knew that they could get in certain formations. They could bring about certain checks and adjustments and they didn't have an adjustment for it. Maybe their empty formation or some of the things they'd like to do. And now because when you've beaten the team as much as they've beaten the Pittsburgh Steelers, there's a thing where you walk in the game knowing.

We know that we can beat this team. We know we can handle it. They've thrown everything at us and we've been able to handle it. And I think the Patriots just have a level of confidence that allows them to really feel great about playing in this match. up. The other thing, I think this is a much better Patriots team than people are seeing. Like, offensively, they've always been fine and they were solid and we wonder where the points would come from. But defensively, this is a really

good defensive team. Bucky, Sean McVeigh for the first time in his career in that Super Bowl, they couldn't pick up first downs. Andy Reed and Patrick for three quarters. Philip Rivers in the playoffs. Darnold had his worst game. They have humiliated about seven straight quarterbacks. And the funny

thing is they do it in a different way. Most teams think rush then coverage, they go coverage than rush. They don't do complicated schemes in the back end. Their team that will tell you, they play cover one rat, meaning they play man free. They have a rat player, which is a help player in the hole about eight to 10 yards, then they have a post player. They do it from day one install all the way through. They play man to man. They don't banjo. They don't switch off. You guard your man and you lock him the entire down. And what happens is they can take players, put them in that system, they do it over and over and over and over again,

and they get it. And then it allows them up front. They can change the front. They can change the way they stunt and blitz. But they don't necessarily bring pressure to get home. They bring pressure to make you uncomfortable. Then they covered. Yeah, they were near the bottom of the NFL in Sacks, number one in pressure.

By the way, they just want to make you uncomfortable for three hours. And they figure you'll make mistakes and three and out, and we'll get it back to Tom. And so it's funny. I learned this from Marty Schottenheimer, and I know Bill Belichick subscribes to this. More games are lost than one. And before you know how to win, you have to learn how not to lose.

And the Patriots, they believe over the course of a game, you will mess it up. And they put pressure on you because you're like, oh, this is a team. We got to be perfect. And they wait for you to make your mistake. And when you make your mistake, they capitalize on it. And so they are a well-coach team.

They're disciplined. They're structured. They just understand how to win. win and because they've won so much, they just know how to get it done. By the way, Odell Beckham, I didn't like this. I don't want to sound old, but he wore a $350,000 watch.

I mean, it's a little much. But Colin, it's today's kids. And even though he's in the pros, that's what they do. They wear stuff. They have changed. They have watches. They do this. This is a part of the thing. I think years ago,

Dante Fowler at the Combine wore gold watch. Because that was his thing. Everyone is creating the brand. And so that's part of Odell's deal. I saw it today. I saw the thing where they talked about the $350,000 watch and he wore it during the game.

It's not something that you would do, but I can admit a young Bucky Brooks may have wore some gold chains with diamonds and all kinds of other stuff just because that's what you do when you're young and dumb and you got a bunch of money. I'll tell you what you wear to a game. This is what you wear, Odell. From now on, a nice solid shirt from Nordstrom.

All right, Bucky Brooks. Good seeing you. Three-word game is coming up next. I'd never even heard of the watch brand. That shows you how out of it I am. That's why he did it. Yep. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific.

Every Monday at this time, we call it the three-word game. We believe every NFL game, you'll watch them can be described in just three words. So here we go. Let's start on Thursday. Packers and the Bears. Rogers has a defense. Rogers has defense. Listen, Green Bay, not since the Super Bowl year, has had really elite defensive playmakers.

They made up their mind this offseason. They were drafting defense. They went and got Preston Smith as a free agent, Zadaria Smith. They went and got Adrian Amos from the Bears who had that big interception against Chicago. I love their addition. This is not just going to be now about Aaron Rogers. I think the defense will carry Green Bay for the first half of the season. Rams Panthers can't trust Cam.

No touchdowns. Two turnovers. Played sloppy. Listen, Cam will give you four or five great throws in the game, but unfortunately he can't string together nine and ten play drives. He finished with negative rushing yards. I don't want to hear about he doesn't have. support. Greg Olson's going to get Hall of Fame votes. Christian McCaffrey's

ridiculous. It's above average offensive line. They've got first round picks everywhere on that defense. They've had coaching stability. This game came down late. Cam Newton got the ball for turnover late and was three and out and did nothing at home with that drive. Redskins Eagles, Wenz's new weapon. Do you know Deshawn Jackson at wide receiver past Randy Moss second all time of touchdown catches of 50 yards or more. Wence is an all-time quarterback talent. Nothing against Nick Foles.

But you're talking about one of the strongest arms, one of the best young quarterback talents along with Patrick Mahomes in the National Football League, and Wence now has a home run perimeter weapon. Bill's Jets, to be determined. I think they're both better. Could have gone either way. I think Buffalo's defense is real.

Josh Allen, the quarterback, keeps getting better. I think Sam Darnold played well early, but there are some limitations of that team offensively. Levian Bell had a nice debut. He's a good pass catcher and a runner. I think both of these teams will vie for a playoff later in the year. I don't think either will get in. But let's just watch these two young teams play.

Falcons Vikings. Kirk was there. I mean, the defense was great. two interceptions of fumble recovery and four sacks. Delvin Cook was great. Kirk Cousins was eight for ten. You talk about a franchise that is limiting the exposure. They're allowing their quarterback.

I mean, Kirk Cousins, Kirk was there. Ravens Dolphins. He can throw. Listen, we were going to do three words on the dolphins, but you can't use those words on American television. Lamar Jackson, let's not go crazy. There's been a lot of quarterbacks out of college. People have said, maybe they can play a receiver.

I mean, Lamar's an amazing athlete. But what he did deserve from day one was a two or three year chance to play quarterback. He's a quarterback. And I always thought with him, it could be rocky early, but if he gets fundamental support, I think the Ravens have smartly given him tight ends,

receivers, running backs. They've always had better than average offensive lines. He deserved the chance. to be a quarterback. Experiment later. And I think, frankly, it's a really nice story. And the Cleveland Browns thought Pittsburgh was our only problem in the AFC North. Chiefs Jags, maybe even better.

Listen, I never bought into this Patrick Mahomes head peaked. What, like Andy Reid, forgot how to develop plays. I mean, this is going to be great. It's going to be great for 12 years. I've said when Andrew Luck retired, I'd open the door for a few more. Super Bowl appearances. Mahomes is an all-time talent. They have great, great weapons.

Tyreek Hill's injury is worrisome, but they also drafted another wide receiver. There is no plateau. This is 12 years of excellent offensive football with Patrick Mahomes. Titans Browns, Freddie Kitchens' nightmare, 18 penalties,

player kicking another player in the head. This is not all on Baker-Mayfield. It would be very easy for me to just launch and make Baker a pinata today. But come on, he didn't have much time to throw. He was running for his life. And for the record, Tennessee's good. Tennessee was 9 and 7 last year, 9 and 7 the year before, 9 and 7 the year before. Tennessee blew out Dallas and New England last year. Tennessee is every bit as good as Cleveland with a better head coach and a more experienced roster. How about Colts Chargers? Melvin Gordon, who? Listen, they're 5-0 without

Melvin Gordon. I like Melvin, but this is not the team you hold on out. You don't, you don't hold out for this team at running back. Melvin, fire your agent. Bingle, Seahawks. Way too close. Seattle at home, favored by nine. Cincinnati worst on line in the league. Zach Taylor, rookie head coach. Why was this game so close? A.J. Green didn't play. Like, that's a problem. 49ers, bucks. Three-pick six. Sixes. This game, they should have put up an FCC warning. This was awful. James had two pick sixes. Jimmy had won. A million penalties. Four touchdowns called back. This hurt my eyes. This was terrible football. Giants Cowboys. Pay him already. Listen, you know you're going to pay, Dak. So what are we

waiting for here? You finally got him weapons. Nobody thinks he's wents. Sam Darnold's not win. and I love Darnold. Baker's not Wenz. Baker's not Mahomes. Is he a franchise quarterback? Yes. Is he a grown-up? Yes.

Is he always healthy? Yes. Is he mobile? Yes. Pam. Lions Cardinals. Just a tie. Let's not go crazy.

Kyler Murray was not good early. Had a bunch of balls batted down. Detroit's not very good. They tied at home. All right. I'm not making proclamations. Let me watch a few more rounds of this fight. Finally, Steelers, Patriots.

That was frightening. I think this is New England's best defense in a decade. Josh Gordon looked good. Philip Dorset looked good. Brady looked good. I mean, they didn't even play Damian Harris? Lord. I think you're going to see that played out about seven, eight more times

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