The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Club 520 - Kevin Garnett tells Jeff Teague about talking trash to Michael Jordan, Vince Carter Team USA dunk

Episode Date: July 18, 2024

We’re back with Season 2, Episode 84 of Club 520 where Jeff Teague and the guys are joined by Kevin Garnett to discuss his Hall of Fame career in the NBA. KG tells Jeff and the guys stories about ta...lking trash to Michael Jordan, Vince Carter’s iconic dunk for Team USA in the Olympics, playing Jeff Teague in the playoffs, meeting Paul Pierce for the first time, and tells an amazing story about Kobe Bryant at the All-Star game. #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:01:25 guests we got a legend sitting to my left we're going to introduce my men's last but to my far left we got my dog bishop b he hen out the pearleys how you always and nasty. Cool and nasty. We live, P. Yes, sir. We live.
Starting point is 00:01:36 Chill out, Pete. We live, baby. What's wrong with you? The ticket. I know you, you know what I'm saying? You're a shoe aficionado.
Starting point is 00:01:44 Have you ever seen the black forces with the white laces before? No, I ain't, I ain't seen that one. I ain't seen that one just yet. I got some 16. 15. 15.
Starting point is 00:01:53 Yeah. I got you, bro. Okay. Say less. Yeah. You're an Air Force One guy? For sure. Got you're Air Force One guy.
Starting point is 00:02:00 Okay. Okay. That's what's what's up. your style of play, this is very fitting. The demon in you, the barking in you, the dog in you, Air Force One white license. She wore those, bro. She was an Air Force One guy.
Starting point is 00:02:16 She wore the ones that came up here. Yeah, that's for ankles and stuff. This is still, you can come to dress or go to Rucker and Nays. Okay, okay. Now you go to rob you. I'm about to say, this look like some shit. Yeah, I'm just, go ahead. Go ahead.
Starting point is 00:02:31 Go ahead. I see you ready. I see you ready. I'm ready too, though. Right. The referee joint show on. That's all good. Go ahead.
Starting point is 00:02:42 To my right, my dog, young nacho, young team. How are you up, man? I'm chilling, bro. We and Dre's having a good time. We got a legend in the building, man. I'm geeked, bro. Man, legend, legend to my left, man.
Starting point is 00:02:52 The ticket, you know who this is, man. One of the best basketball players are all-time, 15-time, all-star. More importantly, an all-star and Dre's. Ticket, we appreciate you. plus the 520 big dog thank y'all for having me dog it's an honor man thank you it's an honor being here man I love y'all shit man we appreciate it man we just talking about the feats you know what I'm saying for me you know what I'm saying I'm an OG ticket fan I know
Starting point is 00:03:13 your rookie year you came out in a concourse you know what I'm saying yeah you started I went to it to patent leathers but you don't have so many heat shoes what's one of your favorite signature shoes you ever had um well to be honest man I had something to do every time you see my name on the shoe I have some input in that And I thought that that changed a lot of the concept because if you went Nike or Adidas, they're coming there with a pre-concept already that they have in the line of so many other things. And, you know, I was taught early, man, there's something representing you. You want to be able to have your, at least you're taking in what comes from you.
Starting point is 00:03:52 So I think probably my, obviously when you first get your shoe and then being with Nike getting the shoe right. So Garnet Warren was always a special place. because that's my first signature shoe. And then to see it perform and then get to Garnett 3 and have it be like one of their bestsellers and kids come, you know, running up on me with, you know, just showing their appreciation. I got to tag some of my neighborhood on it
Starting point is 00:04:21 with OBF on the bottom. I was in Young State. It was going, 97, 98. It was a lot, you know, it was live. It was going, you know. Jeff, they didn't think I was going to make it. They were talking about I was going to be out of the league. two years. They were talking crazy.
Starting point is 00:04:33 They was tripping. I don't know what they was drinking and taking. I don't know. But... I'd say that. Damn sure it wasn't. Nah. But, yeah, man, the flight posits was another shoe that I'm sticking out. With the zippers? The Nike shoes were some of the best
Starting point is 00:04:47 shoes because of just of the technology that Nike goes through and push you in, dog. Jeff, you notice, man, they got so many different comforts and cushions that they can pad and put in your shoe. But then Adidas, you know, I had a short run on and one that was cool, but Adidas had another level of technology that I can't speak on.
Starting point is 00:05:07 My first signature shoe with them was through the roof and a very comfortable shoe. But yeah, those are shoes that just stand out right away to just, you know, that to me made a difference. Yeah. And that's what's so far about you. Obviously, we know you're a champion. We know you go crazy on the court. But to have such an impact to the culture, like we were talking before, the Jamie Fox episode, you know what I'm saying? Man, that's back in the days.
Starting point is 00:05:27 We had the real crossovers, man. He was trying to take fancy from Jamie on the lo, bro. Fancy was choosing, dog. She was choosing, you know. What do he say? He couldn't find a KG jersey until he had to get the Wally. The Wally Zee! Shippa, sip and sip and spitzer.
Starting point is 00:05:45 Shout to Jake Foxman. What so? That was a fire cameo, bro. That was cool. That was a cool, that was a cool joy. That was a real cool joint. You said, you know what I said? Before we even get to all, you got to talk about your interaction, man.
Starting point is 00:05:57 I love the heat of firm this for it. But tell the people, man. Now, when I first came in, I told you. Yeah, nigga, I did growl at you. Yeah, you know what it was. Absolutely. We played them in the playoffs. And I dunked on Ray Allen in the preseason.
Starting point is 00:06:10 And I got a tech. And I was barking doing my thing. Word. And I had the game winning shot, and I airballed it. And he followed me through the tunnel. It was like, don't fuck with the basketball guys. You not like that. Don't do that.
Starting point is 00:06:24 And we played him in the playoffs. I had a good game, game one. He would not say. like who I was. He's like, I don't know him. Who are you talking about? I said, damn. And so we came out, we played up in the guard.
Starting point is 00:06:38 He came out. He slapped the floor and got on like, oh, a four and started by growling. Boy, you scared the shit out of him, man. We're traumatized. I was like, I ain't going to dis my moment. I ain't going to never forget this. Cove had the hissing.
Starting point is 00:06:53 Cove would hiss at you. I was on my DMX shit. I wanted to growling. I wanted to see what niggas was at. You know what I'm saying? He's talking about I just want a KG to say my name. Pause. I was like, man, I just wanted to acknowledge me, bro.
Starting point is 00:07:07 I'm a fan. I just wanted to be like your team. You weren't showing fan. You were getting money out here. You was talking that shit. Young fella had confidence. Yeah. I had watched him in Wake Forest.
Starting point is 00:07:15 You know, I had followed you. And you got right to it while you got in the lead. You had a lot of confidence in yourself. And when you punched it on Ray, the reason why I was really upset was because anything to the basket, we were supposed to put a nigga on his ass. So Ray went for the block in. young fella flushed it. It wasn't, you know, it's basketball.
Starting point is 00:07:32 So, yeah. Yeah, I was just trying to smash his pulse, destroy his confidence, you know what I'm saying? I was on some, like, none. Well, it is. Only your airballed it. You know how to leave it, bro. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:07:45 Throw this on his back, make sure he don't forget this. Then I was just stunting on him. Every time I see him, I wouldn't shake it again. Like, you know what I mean? But the whole time I'm watching how he react to it because it's pissing him off. The more he getting pissed off, he comes in.
Starting point is 00:07:59 And that's what I wanted. I wanted his best, and I wanted to make him angry, and I wanted to play against that. And then later on in his career, man, boom, what's up, boy? Gee, you're good, boy, you're good, boom. And that's the respect of it that was earned. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:13 You know what I'm saying? That messed me up. My brother was like, nah, Tickett said you good, bro. He fucked with you. I was like, what? Fax. I was like, nah. I took care of your little brother
Starting point is 00:08:20 just because of respect to have for you. Real shit. I appreciate that. It's all right, bro. Yeah, I appreciate that. Yeah, I appreciate that. Yeah, I appreciate that. Yeah, I appreciate that.
Starting point is 00:08:27 Real. For sure, man. Listen, man, you have so many fire moments, yo, illustrious career. But we all from Indianapolis, Indiana, and we talk about high school basketball, there's one player that we have a very high regard for it. You have a famous clip for it. My man, E.J. Eric Gordon, dog, the clip of him missing that shot,
Starting point is 00:08:44 and you say, hell no, trash-ass, thing. It's one of my favorite clips of all time, man. I'm a stevant. You know, I'm a savant. And you know, I know I know my shit. So when I get out here, I'm watching. I know players, I know what they're. He can and can't do.
Starting point is 00:08:57 So, you know, Igorne went through a rough little patch when he was playing great with the clippers, you know what I'm saying? I think when he got to New Orleans, he was having injuries and shit. So I would just root for him to get back. And what y'all don't know, before that clip, he had came down on some groove shit. You know how he boughed, trail three biles. So he came, he was put motherfuckers in the mix. And now, we had a bunch of young guys, Zat Levine, a younger, Andrew Wiggas,
Starting point is 00:09:20 a young car out in town. And he was just, he was dogging him. He was beast things. So I was like, hey, man, look, you know, compete, man. Don't let the motherfucker come down here and just, you know, compete. So when he came down, he did some shit. And then he spun and then he stepped out. Oh, hell no.
Starting point is 00:09:35 Nick, that ain't what you do? Aw, this trash-ass, nigga, what you? Hey, nigga, hey, nigga, hey, nigga, get back to what you, nigga. Like, you know what I'm saying? And it wasn't even, yeah, it was fun of him. But the move is what made me react. I was like, what? Yeah, go back and look at the mood, though.
Starting point is 00:09:53 The move, I'm talking about he was trans. That was a trash move. I was basically calling what I was saying, yeah. Shout to Igor, man, you know. You know what I'm saying? Real shit. I'm glad to see him still going. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:10:07 Helping teams and shit. Yeah, shout to him. Man, listen, so many moments. I'm a fan, because listen, I look at the Olympics, and every time I think about the Olympics, I think about the best dunk we've ever seen in our lives. And then you've been in that moment, how was it that, how was it to witness that moment live?
Starting point is 00:10:23 Listen, man, shit happened so fast. I thought he got to end one? And when I started in a hand one, I was like, oh, shit, he cleared that motherfucker. Did he just clear that motherfucker? And he dunked it. And when he came down, if you see me, I really wanted to go full like nigger button.
Starting point is 00:10:41 We had one, two, like, damn. Okay, get back on deep. It was like kind of like that. But I had played with a guy with high school name, Ronnie Fields. Hey, sir. I'm not seeing people hit the air, and I'm not seeing him do some of the most craziest shit.
Starting point is 00:10:53 But then Vince Carter is class of 95, and we've not been to camps together, so I'm not seeing him do some of the crazy shit. But, yeah, bro, him jumping over a whole 7-6-75 guy was like a whole other, like, I swear, time stopped, dog. If y'all look at all of us, all of us, Venn behind me, Gary, we all, like in a frozen moment to where I thought that nigger froze.
Starting point is 00:11:16 He froze for like two seconds. But yeah, man, shout to Vince Carter. Man, that's probably one of the most electric moments I've ever been in. You know what I'm saying? We couldn't really just get into it. We had to, okay, and it was over. But, yeah, that was one of more crowning moments in the Olympic history, bro.
Starting point is 00:11:31 Speaking of Ronnie Fields, bro, I don't think he get enough credit, you feel me, notoriety. How was it like playing with him, man? How did you even link up at Ferrigue? So, I was coming from South Carolina, and my mother was moving me. I was in a very, very hectic and traumatic recruiting. I don't even want a debacle. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:52 Like colleges was coming, doing crazy shit. This was my first interacting with money, big bags of bread. Like, yeah, it was just getting crazy. So, yeah, I got some trouble in high school, and my mom moved me. And the one coach I had at Nike, man, was Wolf Nelson. And he had coach Ronnie in high school up in Chicago. Yeah. So him and I, he stayed in contact just like, hey, working on you, you know,
Starting point is 00:12:15 because he would always take me off to the side with spending like a whole hour just don't working on stuff. So I fuck with his development, man. And you know how to go, Jeff, man. You got a coach that, you know, like, pour it into it. Just, just, just dialed in with you. You know what I'm saying? He, he up with you. You know, you go through him some frustrating moments.
Starting point is 00:12:33 He's right there. And then I ain't really had no pops. I ain't, you know what I'm saying? I ain't, you know what I ain't had no man in my life. My mom was enough man for everybody in this motherfucker room. So, you know, I grew up a certain type of temperature. I was, I was used to a certain type of environment. I wasn't tripping over the jungle.
Starting point is 00:12:48 I was raised in it. Yeah. So to have a male in my life that was. giving me some guidance and not somewhere I can pick the phone up, even though he was a thousand miles away, was confident for me. So when I had the chance to be able to go up and play with him, I didn't even think about the city.
Starting point is 00:13:04 I didn't think about nothing. I was thinking about, damn, I got a coach there, believe it, man, let's get it. So, man, I got up there and we was rocking day one. And then that's when it hit you, like, oh, shit, you're in Chicago. These are the rules, and this is what you got over. You know what I'm saying? So it wasn't even a basketball problem I had.
Starting point is 00:13:18 It's more of just adjusting to the big city. Absolutely, man. And another wonderful moment in Olympic, you going crazy in the ones, running everybody up and down the court. Hey, man, listen, I'm talking about, like, iconic moment. How was he was cleaning boys up? He was talking crazy, too.
Starting point is 00:13:35 Man, it is what it is, man. Now, Jeff, Jeff noticed, man, like, during the times where we played, man, I'm not speaking on some of this younger stuff, but let's go back, like 10, 15 years ago, man. It was a bullying, it was a bullying league. You had to be a demon to play in it. Yes, sir. And not just have confidence, but you had to be a demon.
Starting point is 00:13:56 And, I mean, T, know what I'm saying? And I don't want to elaborate on it, but you had to be like a different, a different, you had to have a different mindset. So we're in the Olympics working out, and one of the things J-Kid does to get back in shape is play full court one-on-ones. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:10 And we had practice, and it was a, it was the one of them practices where it was touchy, it was edgy and shit, so guys wanted to compete. So about six or seven us just say, hey, man, let's get some cardio in. Niggas didn't want to run the customary 17s. You know how that shit goes, you know,
Starting point is 00:14:26 because back then you had time 17s, and then back then you had two of days for the whole training cap. So if you had training cap 30 days, you had two. You feel what I'm saying? So, yeah, it was just different on how you got ready. Right. So we jumped in it. And, man, you know how I go in one of ones, man?
Starting point is 00:14:41 You know how I go. She's got wicked. Yeah, man. You know, usually one-on-ones go, like, you go. I go, I stop you, you stop me. But, man, when you get in the road? And then I don't know the cameraman in the cut. That's what did nobody know, bro.
Starting point is 00:14:56 You know, the camera come out of everybody. The element of embarrassment goes to like, you know, a million, right? So it was already testy, you know? Me and Reef was already testy. You know, a couple people was in there testy. Ray and Gary was testy. It was just testy, you know? And yeah, and I got the going.
Starting point is 00:15:14 So, yeah, fuck it. I'm king of the hill, let's get it. So I was talking my shit. And then if somebody had wanted to do something, then we could play another. So we played three games, but didn't nobody know the guy in the cut over there getting it all. There's two more games that they ain't show, and I'm glad they didn't. Did you win those? I won the second one.
Starting point is 00:15:32 I won the first one, and then I won the last one. Okay. The one, two, three, the second one, and the third was so physical that, yeah, we probably did. Me probably didn't want that one now. But it was all good. Shout to the, you know, 2000, you know, team, man. We did that, man. I want to talk about how you and Paul met, man, on that K-Swiss, A-U team.
Starting point is 00:15:51 Case list. Well, Paul had you come all the way out there of the county, man. How was that? Same shit. Shout to truth. So I'm from South Carolina. Jeff, you know what the South Light, man.
Starting point is 00:16:01 You're not playing in North Carolina. You know what I'm saying? Ain't really a bunch of, ain't nothing down there. So it was very little recruitment. A lot of football recruitment, but very little recruitment. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:12 And very little sponsorship. So, you know, South Carolina, you had to go to either Georgia to Atlanta or you had to go to Charlotte to go to one of the bigger camps. So I ended up going to a camp in Atlanta And a guy down there He was just like a sponsorship for anybody else
Starting point is 00:16:31 Like Nike Adiaz he had K-Swiss And wasn't nobody really recruiting the 9-9th But he was like, yo, you want to go to the West Coast You know what I'm saying? You're playing the West Coast? Like shit This is what I need Yeah He said cool He really wasn't really wanted nothing but it's about the experience
Starting point is 00:16:44 You know what I'm saying I've never been to Caled at before We pull up man we get right to Englewood Come out to John we ain't Englewood I don't know why I'm at come up to some little raggedy gym you know what I'm saying you can tell you it
Starting point is 00:16:55 it ain't a polished neighborhood you know what I'm saying coming here and I see three guys playing I see this little tall ass little fat kid dog nigga had like the little Stefan Marbury
Starting point is 00:17:05 curly kid on I told Pete he had a whole S curl when I seen like ice cube goddamn this shit was shaking he didn't have no real he man he had a whole curl when I saw you knick
Starting point is 00:17:13 you know what I'm saying but man Jeff he was a little fat little you know what I'm saying I was like man okay and then I saw him go up and boom that mothal I'm like, damn, a little fat motherfucker got some of us, man.
Starting point is 00:17:23 Who was that? Oh, yeah, that's Paul Pierce. I was like, a word, and he looked like a younger version of what you see now. Probably saying way more wild and shit. You know what I'm saying? But, yeah, me and Pete met at like 16. And before, I didn't know that in his, in L.A., Toby Bailey, Ricky Price, a bunch of these older, J.R. Henness,
Starting point is 00:17:44 these are guys that were running L.A. at the time. You know what I'm saying? And he looked up to them. So I don't know none of this And I don't know none of these guys, you know what I'm saying? But then you got the Collins twins, you got Jelani McCord, you got Shay Cotton, all these Westcoachers I ain't never heard of. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:17:59 So I was eager to play, you know what I'm saying? See what, you know, a lot of these guys had the offer. And I didn't have that, I didn't have that, I'm not seeing you play factor. So I didn't, I'm coming to him like, I don't know who Jolani is. Oh, Jolani, he blocked everybody's shot. So I was like, oh, I mean, how big is Jolani? Like, well, he's seven foot. He's about two sides.
Starting point is 00:18:21 And I was like, oh, no, he's on. So I don't know who this is. So I go right in the beast mode. Like, oh, no, don't know. Give a fuck by these thing I am. You know what I'm saying? Respectfully, yo. But the L.A. niggas had me running through the casinos,
Starting point is 00:18:33 hitting shit, and they're jumping out of cabs and just doing L.A. shit. So we got in the game, bro. We all connected. Term, all the, all the little. Because Pete played with a bunch of hood guys that are from Inglewood that went to to Inglewood High. Jay Crow, the one you see him on two flound sweats. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:49 That was his point. Shout out to DeMani. He's a rapper. He used to play. So a couple of those guys are just, you know, guys. But they play hard, man. We end up winning that little shit, man. We won that little Vegas shit.
Starting point is 00:19:01 We weren't supposed to win nothing. That's how he was, though. He played a bunch of his friends. Same Vegas. Same shit. Where do you get your first your look? Vegas? I went to ABCD camp.
Starting point is 00:19:12 Oh, okay. Yeah, I went to ABCD camp. I had like one offer going there, end up killing that and getting like 70 offers. Why wake for us, bro? I was a fan of Chris Paul I grew up watching Chris and I was like damn
Starting point is 00:19:24 they let him do whatever up there I want to follow whatever shit yeah I did I need to follow them footsteps and that's how I have well that's what's up I enjoyed your time up there bro
Starting point is 00:19:33 I'm from ACC country so you know I was a huge Tarhill fan and all that other shit but bro used to yeah used to get your money I appreciate that I was gonna ask you
Starting point is 00:19:42 what school was you gonna go to if you didn't go straight to the league Michigan oh you're saying damn okay Michigan I would I went to Michigan two years before, so 10th grade, I had a chance to go up and watch them play Michigan State.
Starting point is 00:19:59 And I got to meet Webb, and I got to meet Jawan. I got to meet Jimmy, everybody, Jalen, everybody. And they were super cool. And not at the time to where you could take people around. They just took me and we kind of disappeared. And Webb was, I took a liking to Webb's game. But then when I met Webb, Webb cuff cuffed me like a little brother, man. and that stuck with me so much that when I watched them play,
Starting point is 00:20:25 I saw myself. And then I just start piecing off the style. Obviously, I wouldn't wear up size or none of that. But the way he played through and you know how you is when you're seeing your favorite player, right? So, yeah, I want to follow in those footsteps. But UNC was great on development. And one of the things I wanted to really do
Starting point is 00:20:43 was develop as a player. I didn't want to, you know, I didn't want you to look at a 1995 tape and then look 97, I'm looking the same. So UNC was known for it. for developing. Yeah. One thing I will say, they develop big men a certain way.
Starting point is 00:20:57 And if you saw how my style was, I didn't want to be your traditional big, where, you know, I didn't have the body mask to go down here. You know, Kevin McKell will be showing me this moves where you had to have big shoulders to get it up. You know exactly what I'm talking about, bro. You know, you're trying to figure that out. So early on, I struggle with that, but I figured it out.
Starting point is 00:21:15 But I wanted to go to UNC for the development. I had a cousin. I got a real cousin in life, Shimon Williams, who actually started and played. Yeah, yeah, Saman's my older cousin. My real father in life is his uncle. His mother is my real aunt. Okay.
Starting point is 00:21:29 Barely know my pops, though. So, you know, that whole shit was kind of, you know what I mean? But when we saw each other, it was always love. If I see him today, it's always love. Same old, same old. But, yeah, those two schools really made a impact on me. Sure. You'd have been raw in Michigan.
Starting point is 00:21:47 No, I remember I wanted to go to Georgia Tech with Steph, man, Bobby Krimmins told me they had a kid by the name of Eddie Alisma, and they didn't need no more bigs. Listen, for about 10 years, I was looking for Eddie Elisma. I just wanted him to be on somebody's team. I just wanted to show Bobby Krimmins what's the difference. You know what I'm saying? Where you get that mindset from?
Starting point is 00:22:09 Because I follow your story, but I'm a huge fan. I remember you doing your draft workouts and you're talking about Pat Riley. Yeah, man. Yeah, the Pat Riley story. Yeah. That's great. Yeah, my mom, man, my mom's a kind of a shout to my mom, Shirley. But yeah, my mom's a, she's a hardworking, man.
Starting point is 00:22:29 My mom used to work the graveyard shifts. You know what the graveyard shifts are? Yeah, you know what's the world? You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, my mom worked at. So, you know, I grew up very responsible, being able to cook early, being able to clean the house early. I grew up in the South, so I was outside. I'm from slapbox.
Starting point is 00:22:47 I'm from all the guys fighting. I'm from all that. Wrestling for the belt, getting beat for the belt going home, cutting out carpet, making a new belt coming outside. You know what I'm from that. Real nigga on the bike.
Starting point is 00:22:59 I'm in neighborhoods. My neighborhood fighting your neighborhood. I'm from all that. You know what I'm saying? Outside. Outside. And I'm from the black top. I'm out here.
Starting point is 00:23:10 I'm going to go to every park and see who out here and try to kill it. And you start to get a rep. You know what I'm saying? That's big fella. You know, that's, yeah, them maulding.
Starting point is 00:23:18 them all them boys. You know what I'm saying? Shit like this. But yeah, man, my mom gave me this kind of, uh, yeah, no,
Starting point is 00:23:28 no, no nonsense kind of attitude that go-at shit. And, um, why not you? My mom used to play all those little riddles with me. She's like,
Starting point is 00:23:37 Kevin, you know, if, uh, you ever come into a room and look for the leader? He's like, why, what are you talking about?
Starting point is 00:23:42 Well, if you can't find a leader in the room, guess who's the leader? She used to say, she lives a little shit like that. Yeah. And then, dog, I started,
Starting point is 00:23:48 I started taking shit personal, you know what I'm saying? Like skinned niggins is in, dog skin, you know what I'm saying? So I'm super competitive. So a lot of times, dog, when I would take things personal, I would put it in the competitive form because I didn't want to be rowdy. You know, we got a ass whoop in my house, so I'm from, I got manners, open doors for women, I watch dishes, I know how to clean the whole house up. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:24:12 Yeah. So putting all those in the plate, couldn't get in trouble in school, or you got killed. you know what I'm saying? Like, so I had to learn to control those emotions and then channeling towards something. So the basketball start coming to my life, I started really putting a lot of time in it. And then I found this, um, untapped energy, if you will, that when it came to competitiveness, when I heard, um, I heard C-Biscuit had a, um, a complex that the writer, he was kind of easing back to let the other horse go back. And when the horse got in front of them, the horse,
Starting point is 00:24:47 the horse, C-biscuit would go apes shit and just smoke the horse. When I heard that analogy, I connected with that. Like, to play somebody better than you actually gets you to play better, and it makes you more attentive, more locked in. You ever hear about when you take a sense, the other sense gets heightened? I swear, when I would play people that were bigger to me or better than me or I consider it better than me, it activated that.
Starting point is 00:25:14 And then I got into the league And the league was a bully lead And yeah, man Coming from Chicago Everybody pulling up on you Wanting the hoop and the crate In the alley And this gym
Starting point is 00:25:25 And on this whatever So you didn't steal that in it And put me in the league And then say that I can't do something So I was like man I'm gonna prove all y'all wrong y'all You know what I'm saying I told everybody the draft
Starting point is 00:25:35 When Sheed and the stack Was cracking jokes on me man In front about like 50 niggas They're like, nigga you should take your ass To college man I was like I'm gonna be better than all y'all niggas. Nah, I didn't know he's the first down laughing.
Starting point is 00:25:49 I'm the only one not laugh. Man, Scotty Thurman. Scotty Thurman, I don't know if you know this kid from Arkansas should shoot the long ball. He was like, hey, they fucking with Chicago. They know y'all fella. He was country, man. They know y'allon'all.
Starting point is 00:26:01 Yeah. But, yeah, I've always been super competitive in my mindset, man. It's got to be, I always say it one-on-ones. It's got to be you. It's got to be me. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I heard you did that to Scotty Pippin, too. Yeah, we got two.
Starting point is 00:26:16 I was young, though. I was young and wild, though. When I got to Chicago, I moved in a certain area off the west side called K-town. Yes, sir. Yeah, K-town got all these different streets in these different areas. And, yeah, they rep different places. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:26:33 GDs over here, Bicelo's over here, Cobra's over here, and you got to know how to Latin Kings over here. You got to know how to go through that, right? And then once I figured it out, bro, you know, you're moving. And, you know, a lot of the guys you move with, you move with how you're moving. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:50 Yeah, man, Scotty Pippen got some shit. And I don't know what. He thought. Yeah. But yeah, I quickly, you know, got him to understand where he was. But that wasn't a good moment from me because I felt like, you know,
Starting point is 00:27:06 when you come into an NBA saying, you don't want to be rowdy. Grover let us come in there. Who, soon as we got into that, Grover tried to kick us out. Guys didn't want to get out, turned into a whole other thing. I do the guy's Carl Harris is in there. Carl Harris wasn't in there.
Starting point is 00:27:20 Who's the street guy from the south side? If Carl Harris wasn't in there, it would have been all bad. But I'm glad he was in there. And then what's even more crazy to that, Jeff, Isaiah Thomas in the corner, watching all this. And that's where I got the jewels from. And I seen Zeeke, Zeeke pulled me to the side because I ain't no Zip's from the west side like he was. You know what I'm saying? He's super, you know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:27:40 He's, man, Zee's super plugged in to the west side. The shit there talked to him. I talked to him about three hours. And after that three hours, I knew exactly what I was doing. Yeah. Straight up. That's fine. You got a story like that with JR a writer too, right?
Starting point is 00:27:53 When y'all played the Bulls and he was talking shit to jewelry. Man, Joe. J.R. had to tell you that, hey, chill out, bro. You fit the dirty book. Man, Jeff, you know this, man. When you play a guy dog or you play somebody that you look up to, you don't watch enough film to know that just guys better than you, but you still have confidence in yourself.
Starting point is 00:28:14 It was kind of like that. Mike them with this bullying niggas, man. Pressing up 94 feet, zigzagging. And then they hand-checking the refs ain't calling it. So on a young guy like T, here, grab T, hip. Jeff really got to know how to handle it because you're really dealing with force and bruce. Right, right, right.
Starting point is 00:28:32 If the ref ain't calling it, bro, you got to deal with it yourself. That's how I thought about y'all, though. I mean, that's crazy. That's crazy. You say that because that's what the bulls is doing us. So we learned that and then start to implement on the young guys. Real shit. Real shit. But yeah, that was the same way. But just like how you learn, that makes you better. That kind of headache that you got to deal with, you're like, holy shit. The first time it happened, you're in big eyes, right? Second time, you're like, oh, shit. Third time, not. You ain't tripping. You know what I'm saying? You're just. But, yeah, me and J.R. was in there, and Mike then was just on some bully shit. And I was having a decent-ass game. I had just seen my friend. He had just got into a car accident. I didn't really. really getting much sleep. We was on the back to back.
Starting point is 00:29:17 When I landed, I went straight to the hospital. I sat in there all night, wedding. And, man, it was just hard to see fields in there with the dame, with the halo on his neck. Yeah. And I was like, damn. And then I was really effective. And I came back to the hotel. I had to go right to the arena and shit. You know, first bus and all that shit.
Starting point is 00:29:37 So I was over there super early, so I was super inspired. But I was running off fumes. I didn't have no sleep that night. had the whole west side on the whole left side of that motherfucker so I felt yeah I was in there I had a great night but yeah just just just man soon as I started feeling good man I fuck that up I fucked that up it's a lot of shit I didn't fuck up I fucked that up because we had chance to win their game and I woke the beats up dog and I didn't think that shit was real till you see it like oh shit really really really really skis shit so he went crazy man he went look look
Starting point is 00:30:12 No bullshit. Came down simple. Two, double pull up. Three. Five. And one. Shot two free. Throw.
Starting point is 00:30:20 Like, it was, I looked up. The nigga had like 40 in like, like 12 minutes. I was like, damn. We sitting on a bench. It was like, damn. We down 19. Damn, my bad. You know how you look at everybody?
Starting point is 00:30:32 Yeah. And everybody looking at you. I told that nigga to shut up. That's how Joe did me. Yeah. That's how J.R. J.R. was like my dog to, you know, it's okay. We're going to get through it.
Starting point is 00:30:42 Yeah. We had the end of the bench. He was taking shoes off. I was like, my fault, man. It's all good, man. Shut your ass. Man, for real, man. I see, I see.
Starting point is 00:30:52 I see. I never said shit to join after that, dog, real shit. I ain't say nothing. I remember that story. Chuck Black Cat. You good? You good? You good? Okay, cool.
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Starting point is 00:31:20 Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, you know, it's funny. Jeff always spoke very, very, very highly that Celtics backcourt defense. And you were just talking about Avery Bradley recently about how you know what I'm saying? and he had to go down to the G lead to wake up. I love the fact that we're giving people honor like that.
Starting point is 00:31:46 Because, like, I feel like guys, I drew holiday now, that they get their praise that they deserve. You talk about the real defenders, like you said, it would be a nightmare matchup for you with a doe, and then you talk about AB. It was just interesting to hear you say that in his high praise for him. Nah, man, them two. They had a ticket that got up on screens,
Starting point is 00:32:01 and then they had Perp. He didn't get all the way up, but he was physical. Then you had them two dudes, bro. They had 94 feet you. And then A.B. Bradley took everything personal. I remember one game we played him It was my second year Rondo was out
Starting point is 00:32:17 And he started at point guard I think it was his first start And I kind of embarrassed him a little bit I went by and dunked on He stole the ball for him a bunch of times And the next time he played me He was like yeah what He was like he's sad
Starting point is 00:32:30 You know what I mean I was already killed him He said bro he was guard me full court I'm turning like I had a pastor Kurt Heimer like bring you Kurt I ain't messing with him Real shit No for real he was serious
Starting point is 00:32:40 Avery Bradley's feet was probably similar to like ushers or Michael Jackson's. Like he had the quickest feet. He was normally when you get hit, if you and Jeff T right now was in the pick and roll and bro came up and said a pick on you, if he hit any part of your leg, you're going to turn. You're just going to turn sideways. That's just what it is. Avery Bradley was the only guy that I knew that got his shoulder right over yours, got his feet over there. And he would like, them and chili saw him.
Starting point is 00:33:10 And chili sauce. Am I like? Bro, he got highlights on YouTube doing that. Listen, bro. Swear. Listen. Hell. He did he, do what?
Starting point is 00:33:18 He poking. And, you know, when the guard bringing it up, you know, the motherfucker's bringing up. He ain't really thinking about the poking all that because you're calling the plate, you're trying to see. Yeah. Or that motherfucker's in your, in your cavity. You got to either chicken wing him or, man, imagine. So when I heard you say that, when I saw that clip, I was like, yeah, that's right on to what they was on. They was on harassment and really trying to break the point guard down.
Starting point is 00:33:43 Like, man, run him in the ground. So they got to bring the backup. And then we're going to run him in the ground. And that was our whole plan was to outwork you as a team. No, that was a position. I was tripling the ball playing one-on-one him. It's a timeout. You know, TD Gordon gets so loud.
Starting point is 00:33:58 Right. Y'all stop. He's still right there in your face. He's calling a timeout. I'm still trying to beat him. Looking crazy. They don't hear the whistle, though. They're just them two.
Starting point is 00:34:06 Like, yo, yo, yo, yo. I'm like, yeah, yeah, go, they're playing one. Hell, D-D, they came out there, get your ass over here. I was like, oh, shit. I was like, yeah, I can't keep fucking with him. I ain't saying nothing else to him. Nah, he was serious. Who you like in the league?
Starting point is 00:34:18 It's guards right now. Man. You got a favorite guards you like? My favorite point guard probably is Jalen Brunson right now. J.B. Big body cold. I see him come up when he's a little kid, bro. His development, bro.
Starting point is 00:34:31 Yeah, and to see him get to who he was, like being at Villanova, I never thought he would be this player. And then to see where he is now, knowing his dad, it's like, damn. When I saw a couple of times in Dallas, when he would take over games and then kind of come off it, you know, because he wouldn't go forth throttle, but you saw the glimpses.
Starting point is 00:34:50 Yeah. Because for a long time, they was trying to get rid of the mid-range. Remember the mid-range? And just diagnostics, at least in data, that's not a good one. If you're going to shoot a-da-da-da-da, make it a... You know, and then I think Houston fucked that whole thing up. When they came, Dan Morrie came in there and tried to really run... Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:07 So I say that to set up. that I felt like, man, you start to see it with the mid-range. And then he just accepted that, yeah, I'm just going to go mid-range. I don't want to, if I got a standstill three, cool. And then to put all that together, bro, you know, the most, I don't want to say disrespectful, but it's probably the most underrated thing in our league development. Nah, for sure. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:31 Man, don't nobody develop the young boys no more, man. And if so, you got one trainer, training a tall guy, training a center, a forward, a forward, and a guard the same fucking way, bro. That's because they eliminated all the old heads. Bro, the moves look the same, bro. Like right now, I already know a young boy going to give me an in-and-out, and he's going to cross. And if he crossed, you're probably going to step back left
Starting point is 00:35:53 because you're already over there. If he ain't doing that, he's doing the heads in all this. It's like I'm watching the mood patterns be so similar that I don't see nothing coming out of that. I don't see nothing. So then I jumped in it. I was like, oh, okay. I'm going to see who check invited me to come see and work out one day.
Starting point is 00:36:09 I went to go see Czech workout. I see his whole workout where he was working out on. Tatum was working on. Kawhi was working on. Fucking Brunson working. And I was just like, no, man, you got to customize your own package. You got to customize your own bag. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:36:24 Yeah. It's true. Man, the bag looks similar throughout all of it. You know what I'm saying? And that's real. Like you said, you could look at people with that game. It's like, oh, I know who he trained with in the offseason. I hate to say that, even though I don't know the trainer.
Starting point is 00:36:36 Yeah. I'll see it look similar. You know what I'm? That's all I'm saying. And then that will bring you back to, oh, yeah, yeah, they do got the same while. Oh, yeah, they do that type of thing. You talk about the mid-range. You talk about the men, you talk about the men.
Starting point is 00:36:50 You talk about SGA going crazy with the bitty. And then you got to talk about it. Look, man, the house you built, the young guy in there reviving it. A.E. Man, he's nasty. How was that, man, for you to be the best player in Tipal of history to see the researches with young A.E. With a similar mindset with a, like, a work.
Starting point is 00:37:06 Like, how was that to, like, enjoy? I love ants gold, man. I like his yesterday demeanor, man. You know, I thought, I don't mind all the being cool because, you know what, like you said, you know, Gordon, you got guys from downtown that you fought with, right? You all see each other's cool, right?
Starting point is 00:37:23 But it ain't cool to the point where Gordon will let you score, him. No. Or you're going to let, that's what I'm saying. The shit started to look buddy, buddy at one point. That's why it just didn't look like it was competitive or what I was used to seeing. So, you know what?
Starting point is 00:37:36 I had to get off that. This is the new generation. and this is what the game looks like now. So I start to go in that direction. But, man, I got to say, bro, like, yeah, I enjoy competitiveness. I enjoy when guys are, you know. Serpent. Yeah, and I think that's a big part of it.
Starting point is 00:37:56 Gaming ship is another big part of it, you know. I have never pulled up to a park and never seen anybody. You pull up to the parking those, too. You know what I'm saying? I bust your ass in these. So fuck. Fuck you're asking what? I don't bust your ass in these forces.
Starting point is 00:38:12 I was trying to, I'm the first stretch for him. I don't get what you did that frigate. I got you. You're coming in the post. My nigger. Slow down. Right. I can't even.
Starting point is 00:38:25 Like, right. He grabbed the pillow. I'm having a, I'm having a, I'm having a. I'm glad I didn't have no drink. I'm having to grab my, like, ooh, bust you ass, nigga. What? Can you guys? I'm talking about, man.
Starting point is 00:38:34 We got a rim and dres. We got a rim and dres. What are the hell man? Great. Hey, they got a rim in here, dog. We go right to the, you know what I'm saying? Right, so down, dog. Frisk about nothing.
Starting point is 00:38:44 I don't know you, my nigga. I don't know you. They know you, nigga. I'm going to get to know you, right. Fuck out of here. Buss your ass, nigga. Right. Change my whole.
Starting point is 00:38:55 You got all the shoes. Bro, I'll bust your ass and knees right here, boy. Never. Not at the specials right here. The whole specials right here. You still hoot? I'm gonna tell you what I do, I don't hoot,
Starting point is 00:39:12 but I work out money through Friday and just for if I got a little motherfucker mouthing off, I can go up here, you know what I'm saying? I keep the dust off just enough, but I'll be honest. I want to ask you this to see if you're having the same issue.
Starting point is 00:39:26 Bro, I don't really go and hoop and turn it up, turn it up because I already know that's going to send me, right? I don't have no place to put the hole, man. Yeah. Nah, that's how I am. Like, how do you turn off, T, Have you turned it off?
Starting point is 00:39:40 Yeah, I turned it off. I went a gym back in Indy, and we got a men's league, but I never play serious. You got it. You play fucking around? I just be trying to get, stay in shape.
Starting point is 00:39:50 They be testing it. And then, like, I played in the big three the other day. And that moment happened. A dude scored on me. I was just chilling. He scored on me a couple times. He's having a good day.
Starting point is 00:39:59 And all of a sudden, it flipped. I throwing a ball laddie even. And I was like, you're saying even me. I'm a podcaster now. What am I doing? I got to relax. Oh, nigg.
Starting point is 00:40:08 You're a demon. Remember how you got the podcast? You know what I'm saying? For sure And embrace that, bro. Real shit. Real shit. They be trying him at the gym.
Starting point is 00:40:16 Hey, listen. That's why you go in there and you're supposed to bust that month. Whoever the fuck that is, you bust his ass and kill his confidence right there. See, when we play, I won't ever have this problem out this motherfucker. And when I see him, he's going to come with,
Starting point is 00:40:32 oh, man, oh, it's going to be super hate. It's going to be there regardless. Okay, cool. But it's different after you play a nigger. And then you go in the mirror and look at yourself like, damn, I couldn't get a bucket on that motherfucker? And then you're going to look at them shoes. I'm like, man, I don't want these shoes.
Starting point is 00:40:45 You're going to start. And that's what I was going for. I'm here to destroy your inner confidence, nigga. But you ever say no shit like that to your real name. Word up. See how you're looking at? Now you doubt what you said. Who?
Starting point is 00:40:56 I'm ready. You got doubting. I'm ready. You don't look ready. I'm ready. Your voice ain't ready. That ain't ready. What that means?
Starting point is 00:41:03 I'm going to kill you with them. What that mean? What that mean? You got a referee shoes on. Get the court up. What are we doing Tennessee? Except the quarter of Hennessy. Oh, we got one-on-one Hennessy to say.
Starting point is 00:41:14 Let's do a shot before we got them play, too, nigger. Oh, that's that's that's that. I said before we play. I'm ready right now. I'm ready right now too, nigga. He ain't said, night. Before we get out of here, man, I want to talk about one of the best point guards that does not get enough credit. And I think in this era, he would have got as much love as he should deserve.
Starting point is 00:41:34 Steph Marbury, man. I feel like he was in this era, dog. We would give him way more praise. Like, he's one of the ones from he always has. It's been, but I'm like in this league now, the way they let the guards go crazy they do, man, he would go so crazy right now. Y'all had one of the best one, two titles we ever seen, man. Yeah, playing with Steph was dope, man. Steph was a real friend, too.
Starting point is 00:41:51 Yeah, real one. Yeah, yeah. I was a friend with his brothers, you know, shout to Don, Eric, Zach, all those guys, Sebastian, 530, all those guys. Yeah, I should be in Coney Island early at 17, 18, yeah. So when we got together in Minnesota, it felt like this is what we wanted to do. Yeah, man. made the game easy. You know,
Starting point is 00:42:12 you're not playing with a guy that you fuck with, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, for sure. He knows your speed. And then Steph one of them, he was an IQ guy. You know, I had really good hands.
Starting point is 00:42:20 And he used to always be like, care, you better have your hands ready. You know what I'm saying? Just knowing that he was unorthodox with his passes and his timing. But bro trained differently. You know what I'm saying? He saw the world and the game differently.
Starting point is 00:42:35 And when he played, I thought he did a great job of showcasing that. You know, Steph, Steph had pieces from all the guards that we love, the Ross Strickland's, the Kenny Anderson, the Pearl Washington, right? He had all those pieces when you look at all guardplay, right? But then think about, T, intelligence.
Starting point is 00:42:53 Yeah. How people don't tap in intelligence. A lot of people don't understand timing. What plays to call? What his whole variety of who he's playing with and what's the spreadsheet for them? Like, you know, you can probably tap into this a little bit, but when guards, when you go through a guard play
Starting point is 00:43:08 and you analyze what it takes to be a, a polished guard and not just polished on the black top, but I'm talking about a polished guard in the league and lead a team. Steph was one of those, you know what I'm saying? He looked up to AI. Him and AI had a bunch of, you know, back and forth. I think Steve Francis jumped in there later on, so I should love to watch that.
Starting point is 00:43:27 But Steph grew to want his own. I think once we got to Minnesota, you know, I think that, you know, within himself, if you know anything about Steph has a really big personality. Yeah. Super New York, Super C.I. You know, he's calling out in Brooklyn until he die. So when he came up in zone, I'm like, yeah, I want to, man, I'm going to go back there.
Starting point is 00:43:47 I'm going to go back home. I'm going to go back home and try to do it. I was mad because I was being selfish and wanting, you know, us to go in rock and see what we can be. But then when I thought about it, I was like, I can't even be mad because you only get one chance at this shit. And for you to be able to go to a franchise and you be the head of it and you run it and get the house say and put the people. pieces in there that you want. Nah, bro, I can't even be mad at you. Then he was talking like he had some vision
Starting point is 00:44:16 and where he wanted to go. And we ended up sending him to Jersey, which, you know, not New York, but it was Jersey. And for him to go back there, he looked happier. He was around his family and he was in his setting. And then I kind of came off like, okay, he's doing him. And then I didn't take it so personal.
Starting point is 00:44:31 You know what I'm saying? It was just when he was on something like, oh, I want to be in Minnesota. Like, nah, nigger, you wanted to go do your own shit, which I can respect. And, uh, yeah, Shout to stuff, man. It was a good time when it was good. Hate that when he get to tap into that potential to see what we could have been. But, yeah, shout to stuff for that, man.
Starting point is 00:44:48 Underrated 20 and A for sure. Yeah, man. You don't get spoken enough, bro. Yeah, you don't, bro. Yeah, you know what, too, man, you know the league, man. With your story and how you come through and things that follow you. Yeah. Man, they put all that on you.
Starting point is 00:45:04 You know what I'm saying? If you got in trouble, A, B, and C, or if you, you know, I don't say he did any to fuck the game off or whatever, but I know his situation is in the Knicks and that whole debacle and how that whole played out and then him having to go to China and shit. Like, Steph should have never had to go to China.
Starting point is 00:45:21 You know what I'm saying? Stefan Marlborough had to go to China. It's crazy. But showing to his true brilliance, man, he goes over there, he takes over the fucking league, he becomes what we all know him to be, the great spirit that he is,
Starting point is 00:45:33 you know what I'm saying? And he went over there and made the China League popular to where players go over there and play. I don't know if they're going to go play after seeing the young boys sleeping in the fucking lobby Was that crazy?
Starting point is 00:45:45 Was that crazy? Listen, we talk about the NBA in these different leagues. The league is, I say this, it's professional. Yeah. You would never have a guy in none of those aspects. And then two, I'm thinking, one, where's your agent and where's your teammates? For sure.
Starting point is 00:46:02 That's the first thing I thought. If you're sleeping in the lobby, where's your other teammates? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And who's not speaking of you? Hold another conversation. see, but yeah, shout to Noah.
Starting point is 00:46:13 Shout to Steph doing that, man. No, no, no, I say the young fella doing that, but I was just going back to Steph being able to making China popular and all that shit. But, yeah, Steph was one of them, question marks, what could have been? You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:46:26 Before we get out of here, man, last fan question for me, man, one of my favorite pitches, one of the favorite passes, oops of all time, man. The All-Star joint, you were cold, man. One of my favorite things I've seen on the basketball court, man. Yeah, shout the bill. Bing.
Starting point is 00:46:43 Yeah, when I, when we was coming up, when I first met that crazy motherfucker, Bing was super intense, super intense as a young kid. And then when we got to the All-Strike game, we was in New York. And they called the East Out First. And we're sitting in the back. And I'm on.
Starting point is 00:47:05 I am so, I am on. I'm ready to get out here. Man, fuck them. You know, like, it was just, I was ready. And it was the first time I saw him, like, nervous. And nobody else was paying attention to shit. You know, we did young as his. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:22 It's actually a clip. They don't play the whole clip, but they play a piece of it. Like, yeah, motherfucker, we at the all-star game, nigga. We at the all-star game, nigga. Not dappy, you see you. And I'm in the back like this. You ready, nigga? We're here now, man.
Starting point is 00:47:36 We're here-in-ne-in-in-in-law. And he's like, yeah, yeah, we're at the all-strel. I'm like, yeah, get your gal. up. Hey, nigga, we going at this nigger, because they was already puffing him and Mike. Niggins, fuck him. We get out here, I'm looking for you. Be ready. He said, all right, cool. And I'll be down. I'm talking about the second play in the game, third play. Boom, boom. I came out to him on the left side and I looked up. And I just put it right in the middle of the realm and where he was coming for that time.
Starting point is 00:47:59 It perfectly. Well, this nigga jumps so motherfucking high. And when I talk about that Vince Carter moment, boy, Colbass is. I watched it from my perspective. I threw it. Yeah. So I watched him just, he dunked that motherfucker dog and he came out. I was like, yeah,
Starting point is 00:48:17 I told me for the fuck of the... I was on some nigger shit, Lord. He was on some like, let's be professional. And I-ah, man, fuck that, man. Fuck that's, let's get it. So that energy coming out playing. Yeah, that was a magical game
Starting point is 00:48:32 because MJ was looking for it too and he wanted all smoke. Throwing his hand, licking his fingers and shit. It was on. M. the demon came out of it. He was in mass. and square, you know, he really activate when he in there, right?
Starting point is 00:48:46 Oh, man, it was no bigger stage than center stage at MSG and watching that going back and forth. MJ solidifying himself, you know what I'm saying? But Cole establishing himself right there, you know? As a good moment.
Starting point is 00:49:00 Man, what better way in his ticket? I got to say one more. Go ahead, Jeff. Go ahead, we're here. That's an MVP right there. Oh, yeah, for sure. So you won an MVP top 75. You did them to everything you could do
Starting point is 00:49:11 in basketball, bro. To trans, like, you know, transition to doing podcasts and being more open. Like, because me knowing you, when you play, you was the best teammate. My brother told me you the ultimate teammate. Everybody in Minnesota told me you was the ultimate teammate the best bet you can have.
Starting point is 00:49:26 But you never talked about players or nobody like that. So to see you show love the young guys now. It's different, bro. Like, most of the old heads that we used to say, like, was old heads when I used to watch, they would talk crazy about the young guys. Are they getting this money? They don't play.
Starting point is 00:49:41 And then you come in. He's like, yeah, I love A. Yeah. Tyree's Halliburton, too. You put a lot of light on him. Yeah. Well, I think about this, guys. Real shit.
Starting point is 00:49:52 When you play, man, man, at least for me, I couldn't play in that gray area. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Even though, I mean, Chauncey Billups, Taran Lou, Rashid Wallace, these are my personal friends. Yeah. And I understood what it was when we all played.
Starting point is 00:50:08 So, you know, when I played, man, I locked in to who was wrong. rolling with me. And if you notice, I never really frattenized with the other side. I doubt you say what up, but it was never like, you know what I'm saying, unless I really, really never, that was probably maybe one or two or a handful of guys I counted on one hand, right? So when it came to make a jump to broadcasting and stuff, I thought those experiences of being able to share some of those stories. And, you know, the fact that I have never sat back and had a real conversation with you before we got in here.
Starting point is 00:50:43 to let you know my respects towards you and what I was a fan of yours and your body of work. And the reason why I was growling it I ain't growling to everybody. Ain't no man, ain't no nigga ever gonna come back up. Like, man, can't be around that?
Starting point is 00:50:55 I'm only doing that to niggas that I got, you understand what I'm saying? Yeah. So I had a certain level of respect for you. So to come on here, Jeff filled me, you know what I'm saying? Let him know that. Man, not only did I fuck with you,
Starting point is 00:51:05 but you know, your little brother when he came in Brooklyn, I cuffed him. Like, that was, that's what this is. That's what, to me, that's what the podcast's brain is, uh, lane is for. It's for me to be able to. I took all this experience.
Starting point is 00:51:16 And let me just throw out these experiences. Hey, man, this happened to me over here. This happened. And that's all it is for me. To be able to make reference to things that I've been to to what these young guys are going through to let them show that. The parody is very similar, bro. Bro, you're thinking it's hard, bro.
Starting point is 00:51:32 Shit. Y'all ain't practicing. Bro, imagine having to practice. Matter of fact, imagine doing two days for 30 days. Y'all ain't. So when I share some of this experience, it only to bring it back to today's game, because I think today's game, the young boys think in a certain way,
Starting point is 00:51:45 but man, bro, 15 years, 10 years ago was a whole other way and a whole other way of style. So taking that greatness too, bro, remember this about yourself. You know, when you went to wait for us, you became great there. You came to league, your staffs of greatness about yourself so much that you got a brand now to where you got a podcast. You're coming up here speaking on not just any NBA experience, but IQ and articulating it for your audience, right?
Starting point is 00:52:10 That's a greatness. It was nowhere I think, I was going to come in here and see you 265 or overweight, looking like a bum, no, you know what I'm saying? Bro, because you got the greatness about you. So I would expect that when you walk off the court to have the same thing. Bro, I tried to dominate every point that I was on the court.
Starting point is 00:52:28 Who's to say you put that up when you step off of it? You know, I just took that same image. I put it into something else. If you ask my partners at Content Cartel, my partners that tell you how hard I go at that shit, when we put our shows together, I'm up all night. I don't use no cards.
Starting point is 00:52:44 It's just all off my dome. I rip. And this is my vision for the world and what I want to give them for when we shoot. I shoot it with P. who's my real best friend in real life.
Starting point is 00:52:54 And he's as crazy as they come. So y'all get to see the two guys who real best friends talk basketball in front of y'all. And so we, you know, we clean it up as much as we can but we like to be ourselves. We dress how we fucking dress.
Starting point is 00:53:06 We come in here. You know what I'm saying? Like all this put the nigger in the box and have them talk like this and wind them up. And then when that do, wow, that shit out of here. Fuck that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:17 Niggas ain't doing that shit no more. Fire, man. You know what? It's from us. Yeah. And that's why I love about y'all show. Y'all show fire because it's from y'all. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:53:25 I love how you came on here talking your shit. No, thank you, bro. I still want them one. It's all good, Lord. And then you're gonna be careful on how you got to, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, man. I ain't, I ain't no bus driving, my nigger. Nah, I'm a real shit.
Starting point is 00:53:39 I'm a real shit. For real. I wore a 21. because of you. Oh, that's real shit, bro. That's respect. That's respect. That's a, before you even probably start watching our pop, when we first start talking
Starting point is 00:53:49 and they used to join on me for being like the first 5, 10 power four. It was my favorite part of four, bro. And you said you used the first face of, what you say? First face up, four, bro, at 5.10, bro. I like that. I like that. I caught it to Pran Mantis. Yeah, and I was built like this.
Starting point is 00:54:06 So you've been in this whole, just size your whole body, your whole life? Yep. Shout out to my grandma's side. No, dog, you got To be able to kill it. 16 and 10, KG. 16 to 10? What's that mean?
Starting point is 00:54:19 That was my stats. Oh, word. In Indianapolis? And I play with George Hill, too. Yep. Yeah. Where the fuck is George Hill at these day? He live in San Antonio.
Starting point is 00:54:31 He on a farm. He on a... Yeah, I saw that nigga. I thought he was in... That's George... That's the Dreds? George Hill. Life skin and George Hill.
Starting point is 00:54:39 Yeah, yeah. My bad. My bad. He didn't got him. George Hill. No, no, no, shout to Jay. Shouse George Hill. George Hill, bad motherfucker too, boy.
Starting point is 00:54:48 Yeah. Yeah. Talk shit. Yeah, a little like skin-ass nigga. Yeah. Y'all fuck with G, though. He's good people, man. We appreciate you for coming on, though, man.
Starting point is 00:54:56 This is, for real, for real. I'm saying, one time for the one time. Oh, that's what's up, man. To the ticket. Cheers, y'all, cheers, y'all. Anything is possible. My dog. My dog.
Starting point is 00:55:07 My dog. Straight up. All, man, this is a blessing, man. We had the legend bless us with his presence, man. For sure. Check my man's out, constantly going crazy. Him and P. Keep it entertaining and keep it authentic.
Starting point is 00:55:16 You know what it is? Club 520, Hennessy. We're about to go to Dreyzer. We had a real fun. We appreciate you rocking with us. Tennessee Arena's been a hell of a time. We're going to catch y'all the next time. We out.
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