The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast - Aaron Rodgers Trade Reaction with Mike Silver

Episode Date: April 25, 2023

First, (3:00) Colin explains why Kings PG De’Aaron Fox potentially missing Game 5 doesn’t prove the Warriors dynasty is built on luck, and gives his initial reaction to Jets finally completing the trade for Aaron Rodgers with the Packers. Then, longtime NFL writer - and host of the Open Mike podcast - Mike Silver joins Colin to react to the Rodgers trade, what to expect in year one with the Jets, how long before the Packers can decide if Jordan Love is their next franchise QB, and how Rodgers will handle the the rabid New York media. They also look ahead to the Draft, and if the Colts could trade up to take Kentucky QB Will Levis, and if the Niners will deal Trey Lance before Week 1. Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates, and check out FanDuel for the best wagering and daily fantasy action! #Herd #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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That's something right. Mike's always great. Let me start with this. word that De Aaron Fox, the gifted guard for the Sacramento Kings, his shooting hand is injured, and he may miss game five. When I heard this, I just imagined all the Golden State Warrior haters saying, oh my God, another break for this franchise. Yeah, like when they were in the final against Toronto and four starters were.

injured. The Warriors dynasty outside of year one with Kevin Durant in the Bay, they've all had obstacles. Multiple times missing players. I'll give you an example. Game three. They were missing Dremont and Gary Payton. Peyton was sick. Dremon unjustly ejected and suspended for the game. And they had their best defensive effort so far. The Warriors, Dynasty is based on a lot of things. One of them is great, adaptable coaching and culture. So when they miss Gary Payton and Draymond Green, they make some changes.

The role players play over their skis a little, a little above their ceiling, and they roll to a win over the Kings. If they can't play with Deerran Fox at 75%, then it wasn't meant to be. every great team has had multiple obstacles. It was never easy. Michael Jordan's Bulls in 98 had to go to Vegas and pulled Dennis Rodman out of a bed

because he took a hiatus in the middle of a finals. Go read Jeff Perlman's great book, Three Ring Circus on the Kobe Shack infighting that Phil Jackson had to deal with. LeBron and Kyrie in Cleveland, budded heads the last year in Ohio. It's just part of it. The NBA is built on stars. You're dealing with suspensions and egos and injuries in a long season all the time.

If you can't win a game at home with a less than 100% De Aaron Fox wasn't meant to be and you're not a championship team. But to ignore the. Many injuries and obstacles the Warriors have faced is being absolutely dishonest. Go win the game. You're at home. Malik Monk has been a very nice offensive player in the series. D. Aaron Fox may not play or he may, less than 100%. Deal with it.

Last year, the Warriors won of finals. Clay Thompson coming off an injury couldn't really defend. and it was about 75% of who Clay Thompson was this regular season. All right, Aaron Rogers, going to the New York Jets is official. The draft picks were around what most people speculated. Nobody won the trade. I mean, you can argue the Jets won the trade because they get Aaron Rogers. I think my takeaway is that I've always said that once a rookie quarterback comes in,

I will give him a year and a half. Year two Thanksgiving, you will know what you have. Now, it used to be you gave a rookie quarterback two full years. Bill Pullian would say three, but with seven-on-seven summer camps, the personal quarterback coaching, I'll give you to Thanksgiving your second year in the league.

But it is different with Jordan Love. Jordan Love has been in the building for three years. I will give Jordan Love, until Thanksgiving this year, you'll know. By getting another second round pick, the Packers can pick up a wide receiver in the first round, an edge rusher, and a tight end in the second. It's an incredibly deep edge rusher and tight end draft.

So the Packers should be able to get three starters in their first three picks. And that's what they're going to go after. In what order I have no idea. Wide receiver, tight end, and edge rusher. It is not a deep wide receiver class. There is one receiver, maybe two in the first round, and the Packers have the 13th pick. So my guess is they go for the best receiver out of Ohio State. Then they probably get a tied in an edge rush or in round two.

Those are all going to be high rotation or starting players. Then you draft and develop the rest of the draft. This is a team that is ready to win football games. Okay. We know Minnesota is not going a lot. 11 and O in one score games. We don't know if Chicago's any good. And Detroit, though improved, is Detroit.

With that gambling scandal, who knows who's going to be available in September. But this team is ready to win or at least be competent. Jordan Love is inheriting a top 10 offensive line, two more than capable running backs, one, a borderline star. Christian Watson is an emerging star at wide receiver, an offensive coach. They need an edge rusher. They have a Pro Bowl corner, good interior defensive linemen, excellent young safeties. You can't win nine or ten games, and we'll know by Thanksgiving, in the weakest the NFC has been in 20 years, then you got the wrong guy.

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That sounds like a billboard. That would be cool. I just want to be, Colin, in the audience when Draymond takes home the trophy for the team. Yeah, Colin, I know you remember a year ago, or a little more than a year ago. ago, we were on together when the Devante Adams trade happened to the Raiders, and we were like, you know, because that was a little more sudden. But yeah, this is, I think it's an exciting day. And I don't want to gloss over this for Jets fans.

This is awesome. The Jets are getting one of the best quarterbacks of all time, possibly with years left. They have a team that was good enough to almost make the playoffs last year, despite. injuries and Zach Wilson being the quarterback for a lot of it. And Aaron knows this offense intimately because Nathaniel Hackett's

now the coordinator. So people might say, oh, it's great for the Packers. It's win-win. We could get into all that. But it's not win-win. The Jets win the day today, in my opinion. This isn't perfectly analogous, but I've three times traveled cross-country and took a new

job. The first year, whether you're talented or not, with new environment is hard. It's choppy. I hope Aaron plays for a second year. First of all, new defensive coordinators, new conference, new environment. It's everything, new neighborhood. And if you go look at Aaron's history, first year starting the league, a little bumpy.

First year with Hackett, a little bumpy. I think he's going to do really well. I kind of feel like it's a 10-7, 11-6 team. I think it's, I think their schedule's not the easiest. No. But what's a realistic expectation? to you? That's a great question because if you look at it on paper, you say, yeah, the AFC is a gauntlet, right? And the AFC East certainly is not going to be easy. And they are the Jets.

They do have some dudes. I mean, both rookies of the year, Brees Hall was that good before he got hurt. Elijah Verrett Tucker was hurt last year. You know, they've got some dudes, and I think they will play pretty good defense. You know, you're right about year one. Because that was the case in Green Bay, which was year one in the LaFleur Hackett offense. And they did go 13 and 3 and reach the NFC championship game with a very good team. But it was not humming offensively the way that you would expect an Aaron Rogers team to. But I think, you know, my, I look at Farv, his first year there, which everyone revisionist history thinks sucked. And then he went to Minnesota and was really good.

But Farve had those jets eight and three. right up in playoff contention. He was an MVP contention. He suffered an arm injury that essentially made him noodle arm the rest of that year and it didn't go great. But this is going to give them a real jolt. And franchise quarterbacks affect teams in ways that go beyond what most of us see. It just changes the energy and the vibe of the organization. It lends a credibility to the meetings, the practices internally. And, you know, he's going to pull a game or two out that the jets aren't used to pulling out.

And that's going to potentially snowball. So I think playoffs is a very realistic, you know, possibility. I think once you're in the playoffs with Aaron Rogers, if you're peeking at the right time, that could be really, really exciting. And I guess the other thing I want to say, because. it's confusing, right? If you told me, hey, the Packers and Eric Rogers

have decided to come back for one more year, I wouldn't be as wildly upbeat about the Packers and here's why. I just don't think you'd be getting the same guy in Green Bay. The guy they had last year is not the guy that I expect the Jets to be getting today.

And that's not fair necessarily to the Packers, but it is a reality. And that's why I think Jets fans should be fired up. Well, yeah, I think all relationships can run their course. And I think the Green Bay situation, there was a lack of trust on both sides. There was a little bit of animosity for different reasons. I think you'll get a highly focused and energized Aaron.

I hope it's for two years. And I do think the Jets will be a viable team. Year 1s are difficult, as I've said, for a lot of situations. You know, it's interesting with Jordan Love. I don't know what we have. Here's the good news. He's been there three years. The size is not an issue.

He's a big kid that moves well. If he was in... I mean, if you took Jordan Love today, even with what little we've seen, after Bryce Young, he'd be the number two pick in the draft. Right? Like, there's stuff there. I don't know if he can step to the line of scrimmage

and audible in and out of stuff. I don't know trailing late in the game, third and 11. You know, how is he equipped? to do that. I have no idea. But I will say this. It's a good team that needs another receiver, another tight end, and an edge rusher.

And I talked to two GMs last week that said it's the best tight end class in years and the best edge rusher class in years. So I do feel like this, Mike. I've always believed years ago you gave a quarterback three years. But now with the seven-on-seven camps and private coaching, I always say Thanksgiving of year two, you know what you have. But Jordan Love's been there for three years. I feel like we'll know by Thanksgiving what kind of we have. Eight, nine games in, they'll be a set because the NFC, Mike, it's not a gauntlet. There's a lot of Ws in this conference.

Yeah, I think that's realistic. You know, I came from a different era where quarterbacks almost always sat. And when they didn't, they took lumps as great as they were, Aikman, everyone but Marino, essentially. But, you know, that all changed with Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco and, you know, for a lot of reasons you stated. It's a different landscape now. I'd say the good on Jordan Love is, yeah, there is some definite upside. I remember one offensive coach I really respect telling me before the draft where Jordan Love was drafted, I would take this guy first overall. So there is something special about the package. The early reviews were not good. And, you know, he's, it's not quite Trey Lance coming from North Dakota State or Carson Wentz, but it's a guy coming from a smaller program, more like Josh Allen, right? And, you know, early on, I think Packer coaches and players were kind of like, ah, man, if this guy has to play, you know, we're in real trouble.

Now, again, the standard is very high. So that's the good part. Maybe, I think he, from what I've heard, he has gotten a lot better. He has developed. works at it. He's a good kid. There's some definite upside. I think the hard news is this delusion that many Packer fans seem to have and others that, well, Aaron waited for three years and look what happened. This has happened twice in NFL history where a first ballot Hall of Fame quarterback was succeeded immediately by another future first ballot Hall of Fame quarterback. And it was

tumultuous both times. Montana to Young. The Niners did not get nearly as many years out of that combined. The Packers somehow got 15 and 15. Three decades of uninterrupted transcendent quarterback play that could cover up all ills and pull games out of nowhere. And I just, especially a young Packer fans, I'm looking at you guys going, you guys, like, it could work out well, they could be a well-rounded team. Jordan Love could be good. The odds of having yet another transcendent quarterback just take the reins and keep it rolling are not good. And you're not going to notice that necessarily week three in the third quarter against the bears when you're, you know, marching down the field. But you're going to notice it in December on third and 18

against a really good team. And times where Aaron and far before him were able to just do insanely magical things, I just don't think that's going to be the case. And that's not a slight on Jordan Love. I'm just trying to be realistic. Yeah, listen, if he was as good as a borough or a Mahomes, they would not have signed Aaron to an extension. Right. Because there was drama three years ago. If he was as bad as Zach Wilson, they'd know it. And they would have kept.

So my takeaway, he's somewhere between 12 and 20. He's probably in that mix, which. If it goes well. If it goes well. Yeah. He's somewhere between Kirk Cousins and Jimmy Garoppolo. You know, he's somewhere in that. But it's also possible.

that he is Zach Wilson and just hasn't played a lot. I mean, I think he's a more mature person and all that. But like, yeah, but I hear you, yeah, like if it goes the way they're hoping it will go, and they've got good infrastructure around him, and Matt LaFloor is a really, really good coach. I think he has a chance. You know, Mike, I think they're going to look like last year. They're going to be at the nine and eight sort of level, but it's going to be the opposite. So with Aaron, he didn't want to work with the young receivers.

They start slow. schedule weekends, they finish strong. I think because Jordan Love is going to be totally committed to the young guys and nobody has film on him. They're actually a pretty good team until Thanksgiving. At Thanksgiving, the break, you get film. People now have had their buys. And now I think people take stuff away from Jordan Love that he had in the first eight or nine weeks. I think they're going to end up the same place last year's team did.

a pretty a team that would be sub 500 in the AFC, potentially above 500 in the NFC, but it is his first year. The kid hasn't seen live bullets, played from behind, Sunday night games. I think a realistic expectation is Jets 10 wins, Packers 8 to 9. Feel about right to you. Yeah, and he's going to have to have a tough make up because I remember being out on Aaron Rogers Island his first year as a starter. 2008 when I there was a lot of skepticism and because of my cal ties and the fact that you know the blind

squirrel nut theory I was right on this one and I I had to weather that first year when he was six and 10 now he played really well a lot there were a lot of close games he couldn't pull out he had some injury stuff so um a lot of people were still very very skeptical after oh eight in oh nine he was obviously much much better and then we had that epic playoff game against the Cardinals and Kurt Warner, and, you know, I covered that game and remember, like, being pretty sure that we were seeing a guy who was going to ascend. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games.

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It was sort of what we thought, right? Yeah, I liked it. I thought, you know, it was creative. There was some compromise. That swap of 13 and 15 was a good creative way to change the value. Both teams, you know, could have stared down longer, but there was good motivation to get it done. I thought, if you're the Packers, then you know you're getting rid of them.

I thought Brian Gutakest did a really nice job. I liked his hall, all things considered. And if you're Joe Douglas and Robert Sala, A, you got to have them because, you know, you're coaching for your jobs, presumably. And, you know, it's all set up for that. And B, I, you know, I know the Jets just wanted some recognition that if he doesn't play that second year, that they would have given up a lot. And now they have at least a little bit of protection that way.

So I actually thought both GMs did a really nice job of creatively splitting the difference and doing it in a timely manner. Give me your prediction on the New York media, which can lean ferocious and left, and Aaron Rogers, who's now supporting Robert Kennedy, you know, he's the anti-vaccine candidate. Like, listen, say what you want. There's two different ways to write the same story. Do you think it'll be a rough first year? What do you think, Aaron, who's had some rabbit ears, you got the daily news, the Times, the outspoken post. There's sports talk radio in New York can be brutal, WFAN, wildly entertaining and outspoken. How do you think it goes year one?

That's a great question. I look at it the same way I look at any coach going into that market or any one who's kind of, you know, thrown into it. If you win, it's going to be awesome. You know, Eric Mangini was on The Sopranos as Mangenius when he won early. Rex Ryan was loved, you know, through foot fetish scandal at all. It was all good. And a lot of ways you could keep living off that. If it goes bad early and you appear to be defensive or out on a fringe or, you or, you know, combative, then it's a tougher place to have thin skin about it. I don't know that Aaron will or, whoa, Darren has ways to communicate directly.

It's a different era. But, you know, I think if it goes well early, he will be getting a lot of love from those back pages. And a lot of the, you know, potential trigger points will be, ah, well, you know, he's got a different view on the vaccines. but hey, do you see that pass on 3rd and 12? You know, but if it's not going so well, then, yeah, sure. People are going to be looking for ways to poke and prod, and we'll be watching.

So it does appear in the draft starting Thursday. Bryce Young goes number one. Will Levis now the betting markets think Will Levis is the number two pick? I'm going to throw something at you. You know Robert Urse. Jim Ursay, excuse me. You know Jim Ursay. I'm going to throw something at you.

I said, Will Levis is talented enough that you're, and we do this in our lives with purchases of a lot of things. Convertible sports cars, vacations, that it is what you talk yourself into. I can see Ersay, Jim saying, okay, I've been old and unathletic with Philip Rivers and Matt Ryan and expensive. But this kid is smart, mobile with a big arm. If you squint, Mike, you can see some Andrew luck. Or Josh Allen, maybe, baby, done. Well, but Josh Allen, you know, came from a small program and was raw. Will Levis isn't that raw.

Yeah, that's true. I mean, SEC football won 17 games. And I think you can see what you want to. I can see Jim Ursay thinking, not expensive, moves like Andrew. Andrew was thick. This kid's got a better arm. mom went to Yale. I can see the Colts moving up or crossing their fingers.

But I think, can you see Ursay? We know he likes quarterback because he talked about Bryce Young two months ago. Yeah. Well, quick aside, I'm taking everyone's word for it that this kid's intelligent, but I got to tell you as one of the members of the Mayo Phobia Society very publicly, the fact that he says that he puts mayonnaise in his coffee apparently. I know. It makes me question just a lot of things about the world and about him.

So I'm just going to chalk that one up to some weird outlier and assume that he's an intelligent guy. So on a serious note, yeah, I do think Ursa likes the idea of making a splash. I do think he has seen life without the quarterback situation settled with a lot else to be excited about. and it has not been the life he's wanted as an owner. And I do think we do all talk ourselves into purchases, but if you can really get a franchise quarterback, I don't care, man. Like, you know, even the Rams with Stafford who are probably like,

yeah, we trade them now, it'll go down as worth it to them that they traded all that stuff to get that Super Bowl season out of Matthew Stafford. And so I've always felt with the draft. Look, if you want someone, that badly, let alone a quarterback, and you're in position to maybe do it, dude, do it. Don't get cute. I don't care if you, well, I hope he's there at five, you know, like, well, we might be able

to trade to seven and get it. Just, I say when it's a quarterback, you're that excited about, don't do that. Just go up and get him. Fine, cool. Even the 49ers, like when they went up to three, good. You like someone that much good. Now, it may turn out that Tray Lance doesn't end up being that good. It may turn out that he wasn't the one Kyle was thinking of when he made the trade, but that's a whole other story.

But whatever. I love that process right or wrong. If you're wrong, it's going to be rough on your franchise. But, you know, we miss 100% of the shots we don't take. I think the only concern I have and the caveat to that is because people get so worked up about the draft and we overvalue it in terms of impact as a culture, and internally in the NFL, I think there's a tendency for all these months to get yourself worked into a lather

and you talked yourself into it. Maybe if you looked at it more impassively and say, well, yeah, there's some good things about this kid, but his value probably is this, but you know, you met him, you had dinner with him. You saw him at his pro day. You're looking at the film and you need a quarterback and you're like, man, I just love this guy.

So, you know, be careful doing that. But if you, Jim Mersey and Chris Ballard and Shane Steichen are doing this and you've decided, we really think this guy could be that, then I don't care if you trade up. Go get them. Finally, the 49ers, I would regret not asking you this because you're so tied in. When they went and traded for Sam Darnold or acquired Sam Darnold, I could argue Darnold is a older version of Trey Land. Stalky, athletic, not aesthetically pleasing as a thrower or accurate on a consistent basis,

but capable of playing, making plays. He's a little Trey Lance. Not always pretty, but can work and move the chains. And when they did that, Trey Lance was in trouble. The Sam Darnold acquisition viewed by many was just, yeah, he'll just sit on the bench. But in fact, they look at him as a guy that may start in September, and it probably signaled the end of Trey Lance in San Francisco. I've revised my opinion, and it is now more aligned with yours.

I admit that when they first signed him, I thought, eh, you know, it's another guy. And, you know, unlike Lance, who they were so high on his intelligence, it still are. Darnel was never, you know, aligned in that way with Kyle's thinking, in my opinion. I'm not calling Sam Darnold unintelligent. I'm just saying it didn't pop out at people during the pre-draft process. But there are a lot of similarities, including the exact position where they were drafted. But I now think this based on how it has played out and based on who I've talked to. They are a little more excited about Sam Darnold than I thought.

And the way that I, some part of the way I know that is that this Trey Lance noise, it's one thing to answer a question and say, well, listen, we always listen to offers, but we think Trey is going to be on our team, which both Kyle Shannon and John Lynch did last month. But when a report comes out that's like, hey, the 49ers are taking calls on Trey Lance. And it's not immediately challenged by, you know, Kyle could have texted me or someone else have been like that. I'm telling you, dude, that's bullshit. excuse me, that's BS, put it out. You know, they didn't do that. And so in my opinion, it's, yes, they are listening to trade lands offers. No, those offers have not been close to good or they wouldn't now be saying, well, we think

trade is going to still be on our team. We don't know. A good one could still come, but it hasn't. And I think they feel pretty good about Purdy, too, to be. in the Trey Lans fire sale market potentially. And maybe they won't. Maybe they'll just keep them and hold on them for a year and try to develop them. Well, considering how raw Trey Lance is, you can't keep the minute Purdy is available to play.

You can't be sharing snaps with three guys. Somebody's going to get moved. And it's not going to be Purdy in Sam Darnold. So to me, Trey Lance isn't a polished version of Trey Lance. so the minute Purdy can take snaps and play, you have to move off one of them and get them real. This franchise is a Super Bowl roster. I still think it's the best roster in football, right?

Yeah, yeah. And they want the rookie deal or the cheap deal in terms of Darnold. They want that model. And with Purdy healthy, they absolutely have it. But they want to pay Bosa. They want to pay as many guys as they can, load up in this next year or two still, and have a quarterback on a very cheap deal

to make that work. Now, maybe Trey Lance over the offseason can wow them in a way that he clearly didn't last year or they don't re-sign Jimmy as a hedge. And I do think they have PTSD, as they should from the NFC championship game. I'd probably want three, though they may draft one

or sign a rookie free agent coming up and that may end up being part of that equation. But, yeah, I just think, you know, look, they you know they believe that there's something there

with Trey Lance potentially but they don't have time to wait as you said. That's right. And I also one other thing there's this weird there's this thing where

well Trey Lance is on the market and hey keep an eye on Houston and Tennessee Tomico was there and Sloick and Grant Carthods the GM

of Tennessee, if you were part of an organization that drafted a guy that high with that much investment, the three ones, and he hasn't been stepping into that in a way that was satisfactory, you probably know more about Trey Lance than Joe Fan. And Joe Fan, who's assuming, oh, well, you, Trey Lance was there with Rancarthe. I think it makes it less likely that Tennessee or Houston comes and gets him. if unless ran privately or D'Amico and Slow it privately, just thought Trey wasn't getting his chance and he was so good, probably they're more aligned with what Kyle and John Lynch think.

And they're like, eh, hasn't shown it yet. So are you going to go out and blow the Niners away with like a two and try to get Trey Lads? I think don't look at those teams. Look at teams where they might not know as much. Yep. Mike Silver, great insight on Trey Lans. Lance and the Niners quarterback situation. Aaron Rogers, as always, and Jim Mersey, who he knows very, very well.

He's wearing number eight again, Colin, just like a cowl. There you go. I saw that. I see that, and all I think about is that game at the Coliseum. Oh, coming right to me in the end zone. I was finally going to get my Rose Bowl, Colin. Should have got it that year anyway, but that's a long story. I think he completed 20 passes in a row, but as he was,

S.C. was tough, man. They were tough. I was at a wedding on the Columbia River in Oregon, watching that game with friends, having a cocktail at the back bar, and it was a good USC team. It was a...

And remember back then, Aaron had kind of a stiffness to his... To his drop. We're all like, who's Aaron Rogers? This guy looks great. I know. And really special teams won that game. They had a return. and they had some other special teams play.

It was a great game. Cal was number three in the country at the end of the season. The Rose Bowl wanted them desperately because S.C. was going to the then-B-TICS title game. The Rose Bowl wanted them desperately. It's our holy grail. Everybody wanted Cal in the Rose Bowl. But all these rules that no longer exist,

including Utah being good before the Pack 12 and Notre Dame, all these things happened. And then a hurricane delayed the Cal Southern. miss game and then votes. Mac Brown pandering for votes and somehow Cal ended up in the Holiday Bowl. Send me thoughts and prayers. I'm still not over it, but maybe call it

someday. Someday before I die, Cal will go to the Rose Bowl, but I'm not counting on it. Good seeing you, buddy. Thank you. Make sure to check out the Dremont Green show. I brought Dremont Green into the volume because one of the more

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