The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast - Adam Carolla on Will Smith/Chris Rock Oscars Slap, Uncomfortable Comedy, Athletes vs. Actors

Episode Date: March 30, 2022

Colin is joined by comedian - and host of The Adam Carolla Show - Adam Carolla to discuss Will Smith's viral slapping of Chris Rock at the Oscars (4:00), why Adam's experience writing jokes at the Oscars makes him unsympathetic to Smith, if comedians should fear copycat attacks from angry fans (12:00), why people have become so scared of uncomfortable comedy is (19:00), how athletes mentalities differ from actors (25:00), and the pros and cons of getting into the political space (29:00).Make sure to Subscribe and follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates and check out FanDuel for the best wagering and daily fantasy action! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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But since we have Adam Carolla on today, and he's going to take a good 30, 45 minutes, I don't want to waste anybody's time. He's the host of the podcast, the Adam Carolla show. he was one of the first big podcasts in this industry. You know, from The Man Show, he has a book out. His latest book is, Everything Reminds Me of Something, Advice Answers, but No Apologies. And with that we bring in the world-renowned Adam Carolla.

So, Adam, I'm going to give you my take, my 90-second take on Will Smith, and then you slice it, dice it, do whatever you want with it. As a stand-up comedian, as somebody who's on stage, you tell me, where I'm wrong on this. So I'm agnostic, so I don't speak about religion, but there's a certain reality for the mobster who goes to repent his sins on Sunday, then shoots a guy in front of a steakhouse on Thursday night. He's not fooling God, right? Like, he's fooling himself. The Hollywood athlete or the athlete or the Hollywood actor, the leading man, they've all got side dishes, right? Multiple. When they come out, and I'm not speaking specifically to Will, but, you know, leading men and athletes.

There are no industries where men cheat more than those two. They use their power and the leverage to gain access to beautiful women. I saw a lot of takes from athletes, current, former, a lot of leading men types, big tough guys saying, hey, you've got to protect your woman. And I'm like, no, no, no. Like the mobster who shoots the guy in front of a steakhouse, you're not fooling anybody but yourself. if you cared about the woman in your life, you wouldn't be fucking around all the time.

This is about your ego, which you couldn't subjugate because your wife cheated on you. It's very public. And in this moment, you look small. This was not about your wife. This was about your ego. Take away.

Well, also there's a context, you know, you're going to be in show business. You're going to sit in the front seat of the Oscars. I've written for two Oscars. I've been there. You know, you,

is you show up days before and they have the pictures of all the celebrities and where they're sitting. By the way, always in black and white. I always thought to myself, this is the Oscars. You can't afford a color ink cartridge, but they can't. It's black and white. And by the way, some of the older guys and some of the other guys, you have to look at it for a while before you can realize just who that is. But anyway, so there's a context, your front seat of the Oscars. and here comes Chris Rock, and it is his job to roast notable people that are sitting up front. So this essentially, it's like marrying a porn star, going to the set of the porn movie, and then freaking out because someone's your wife.

You knew the job was dangerous when you took it. There's a context. Chris Rock didn't show up to your home and start making fun of your wife. you sat in the very front seat of the Oscars. He's a comic. He's going to roast. That's your context. It shouldn't elicit that kind of response.

Adam, I go to, you know, Hermosa Beach Comedy Store. I've gone, you know, down on sunset, West Sunset. So I've had friends that are comedy writers. I've talked to Leno. You know, when I was a kid, I wanted to be Johnny Carson like a lot of kids. I didn't want to be a sportscaster. I didn't even know what it meant. It just wasn't talented enough.

So I went into sports, lower bar for that probably. So one of the things I've noticed about the great comedians, they've got a set, but they play with the crowd. They interact with the crowd. I don't think somebody said it's not a scripted. It wasn't scripted. It was you look at her. You have a line. By the way, G.I. Jane was sort of an empowered woman, right?

She was like a powerful, successful woman. So in that instance, I think, Jesus, if you tell comedians, they can't add lib in the biggest stage in the biggest stage in the the industry, the Oscars, what are we doing here? Yeah, I disagree just because I've been behind the curtain there a couple of times. It probably wasn't ad-libbed. It could have been quickly thought of backstage or some previous point, but it probably wasn't ad-libbed in that you get writing assignments. It's like, here's going to be sitting here and this person is going to be there and they'll

go, give me a few jokes. for this person and give me a few jokes for that person. So probably wasn't off the cuff. Regardless, whether it's off the cuff or not, you're on stage, you're telling the joke. There's no barrier between you and the audience and sort of taking the law into your own hands is not a good precedent. Speaking of the law, I literally just got done doing a podcast with attorney Mark Gergos. And as far as the law goes, if Chris Rock doesn't want to press charges and there was no damage done to him, then the law is going to leave it alone unless you have some prosecutor who's looking for a bunch of publicity who would like to take this on is really a grand stand type trial.

What would you do? If I was the prosecutor? No, if you were Chris Rock. Well, you're a bigger, stronger. You're a former boxer, I think, or something, right? Yeah. Well, first off, I'd be so surprised that I don't know what I would do. Like, it's hard to fath them.

Chris's brain must have been whirling like a dervish, not only from the slap, but just from the bizarre context of the whole thing. Right. I probably would have done what he did. I probably would have just sort of carried on. Now, what I was hoping for is that they would escort Will Smith out of the building. And then later on, when he won the Academy Award, Chris Rock would accept it on his behalf. That's interesting.

That would be the greatest TV ever. Well, I don't have a problem with Will Smith confronting Chris after. Right? Like, I just think keep your hands to yourself. It's a public space. you know, let your ego go. How much of this, like I was kind of, not kind of, I was totally turned off that the Hollywood set,

like not only defended Will Smith, gave him a standing ovation. It's how to turn off. Yeah, we've been setting the table for this. Remember a couple of years ago when the, defensive end for the Browns took his helmet off and started swing. Miles Garrett started swinging it around at the Pittsburgh QB. And remember the kind of consensus was, well, he dropped an end bomb or said something racially

insensitive. And then people kind of went, oh, is that what happened? And I was the one saying, you're still not allowed to put someone in a coma with your helmet because they said something. Right. So we've kind of set the table here. It's been, it's been around for a few. years where somebody said, you know, the guy behind the counter tried to choke the person at the Taco Bell and they go, what happened? Oh, he said something racial. And then everyone's reaction was, oh, okay. Well, now I guess it's okay. No, it is not okay. I don't care what they say. I don't care if it's a joke about your wife. I don't care if it's Miles Garrett hearing something he doesn't want to hear in a scrum. You don't get to weaponize your helmet. You don't get to

weaponize your hand. This is our sort of societal problem. It's like that person put his hands on the other person. And then we all go, oh, what did that person say? I don't care what that person said. You can't put your hands on people. Do you, you still do a lot of standup, right? Yes. You drive a lot of revenue in podcasting that we all know.

I figured you drive a lot of revenue in your standup, which you're very active. Do you worry now this incentivizes some idiot for Miller Lights in to heckle you? I have little to no regard for my own personal safety. I've just always kind of been wired that way. It was never a thing for me. I've been in fights. I used to teach boxing. Yeah.

I just don't have a fear for my own personal safety, but you know, Jeff Ross does. And so he's gonna have to think about it when he goes up on stage. I, I am wired from where I come from and work in construction, and ride a motorcycle, getting in fights, you know, teaching boxing, stuff like that.

I just don't have that. Sure. Oh, you know, what could happen. It doesn't mean it won't. It certainly is kind of grease the skids for that behavior. And it won't be in the back of my head when I perform. What's your guess on the repercussions for Will Smith? He apologized.

That was fairly obvious. I mean, you could see that right hand Jerry Corey hook coming from an hour away. But what do you think the repercussions are? I don't think anything. I think they gave a. standing ovation 40 minutes later. The Oscars has made some discussion about, you know, taking his Oscar back or sanctions or,

you know, giving him the Kanye West treatment for the next Oscars or something. I suspect nothing. We don't seem to universally condemn that behavior. We feel a little more. The nation is kind of split, sadly, on it. It seems pretty cut and dry to me. But it's also like I remember talking to people during the summer and all the riots and all the BLM marches and a lot of when stuff got when stuff got nasty. And you know, someone would say to me, did you see those those cops in New York?

They they rammed right into those protesters. And I'd go, no, let me see that tape. And the tape was a bunch of idiots on the hood of a cop car jumping up and down and try to kick out the windshield. and then the cop car lurches forward and the guys fall off the hood. And I'm like, that's not a cop car ramming protesters. That's a bunch of jackasses jumping on the hood of a cop car and trying to kick out the windshield. So we've gotten this weird relationship with violence and actions. You know, it's a mostly peaceful protest as the CVS pharmacy burns behind you.

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As a comedian, do you know instantly when a joke is written? That's over the line. Or is it something, do you go into shows, Adam, especially if you don't write all the material and think, man, I don't know how this, I don't know how this is going to play. I write all my own material. And if it's funny to me and then it's funny, I will. say it and I will do it. I will perform it.

Now the question in my mind now is I know it's funny, but we'll see how the audience reacts because they don't always feel comfortable laughing now. So there's a, so there's a kind of a third element to this, which is I think it's funny. I will deliver it in a funny way, but we don't know if that audience is going to have a comfort level with it because they heard certain words that were in it that sort of made them recoil a little bit like I'll never forget I was I'm a car guy and I was down at the pebble beach car weekend race weekend do vintage racing there and sitting at this event and it was one of those big events where there's a whole bunch of different people and it's

outdoors and you end up sharing a table yeah with other couples and you're sitting there with your food and your drinks and you're talking and you're meeting these other couples and everyone's a car guy so the guy goes off on some car he has like i have a 32 duesenberg and then the other guy's going i have a cord and the other guy's going i have a um a Lamborghini murrah you know and and we're talking about restoring the cars and getting more champagne and things of that nature and caviar and at some point i stopped and i said you know what this conversation we're having here is exactly what black people think white people do all day and one of the women at the table went like okay all right no no no no no no and i said no no i'm just making it okay we heard you we

heard you we heard you and i was like i'm making fun of us basically right right but i'm not making fun of black people and i'm making a joke it's just like yeah well We heard you. We heard you. Please stop. And I was like, people are so hair triggered now that if they just hear a topic, they're already like, oh, can I clap? Can I laugh? I have to tell them to stop.

She nervously wanted me to stop, which I didn't. But I think that's where the comedian and the sportscaster, that's where it kind of, it connects, right? Like we're both performers and we're both giving kind of a social commentary. and sometimes intent isn't considered. Like you were being self-deprecating. And it made people uncomfortable. I thought about this, Adam. Athletes in my 25 years of doing this are thick-skinned.

Why? Because you can have great connections, but they have limitations. If you can't hit the ball, catch the ball, throw the ball, make the tackle, you lose your spot in the team. Also, athletes deal with very punitive media and fans holding them accountable. Hollywood's different. Connections, it's very subjective, unlike sports. It's very subjective.

Connections can have an odd leverage for people. That's why you see families that act. The media is fawning. I mean, you never see anybody on the red carpet ever have a critical word. You're beautiful, your outfit's beautiful. Tell me more about how beautiful you are. And so whereas athletes have thick skin, they get heckled, they get ripped. Hollywood doesn't. And I think a lot of that is it's an entitled business with a fawning press.

Often people didn't earn their way in. It was family connections. And that's why, like, I think a lot of people cheered Will Smith. How dare somebody make fun of us. Now, I'm just a layman, right? Like, I don't even know actors. But part of me thinks this is what Hollywood is. Out of touch with reality. Many careers are not earned. That is not to say Ed Norton and Don Cheadle aren't. brilliant. But as somebody who covers athletes, they're overwhelmingly thick skin, grateful as shit, incredibly humble. They really are. I mean, it's incredible how grateful athletes are. I don't feel like Hollywood is. And maybe it's the tunnel where they arrived at their career. It's not built for grateful, humble people. Well, it's obviously built for a narcissist.

So you, you know, make the proclamation that you should be. up on the silver screen and you should be holding the microphone and the great order order in front of all the audience. So, you know, it's sort of, you know, it's a self-selecting group. You know, you have to think you're pretty good looking and pretty smart and have something to say and other people should hear what you have to say. And so it's, it attracts the narcissist. And then the other thing about the athlete as you were saying that, you know, athletes have pretty short careers, career-wise. I mean, I started in show business.

I didn't get my first, I didn't make my first nickel until I was 31. Most athletes are retiring around 31. So it's a totally different world. And when it comes to actors, you know, how many stories have you heard? Oh, this guy was originally the guy that wanted to play James Bond. And then they got this guy to play James Bond or they wanted to make this guy and this role. Can you imagine if that guy. play this role, this role play.

You, you are not necessary as an actor. That's right. There are a handful of guys that are undeniable and, you know, that Daniel Day Lewis is an undeniable talent. There's about seven of those guys. And then there's 2,000 other guys who need to win a popularity contest. They will, they will get rid of you if you're not on the same page as them politically or whichever way the zeitgeist and the wind is blowing. So

imagine if you said to the athlete, you know, it's not all going to be over when you're 34. You can go another 30 years in this athletic endeavor you're doing, but you better make friends and you better hope people like you. And they said, well, what if my fastball's not as fast or my 40 times not as it's like, no, no, it's a popularity contest at this point. And you wonder why they all magically take the same side of every issue every single time. It's not because they all individually just believe it. Some of these things that are going on in the world, they're nuanced. They're maybe you're for the war in Ukraine, but maybe you're against U.S. involvement in the war of Ukraine.

And it is a thousand other examples. How are they magically all in lockstep on every issue every time? because all you have to do in that group when it comes to a an election that is literally a presidential election, which is literally split the nation in half, you know, he got 51 percent. He got 49 percent. He got 50 and a half percent. He got 49 and a half percent of a why the nation completely split. There's not one human being in Hollywood.

It goes, I voted for Trump. because if you say that, right, then you'll end up with Scott Beo somewhere. Right, right, right. So it's an ongoing, it's your senior year of high school and it never ends. And you're running for prom king.

Adam, when you, I mean, everybody now, everything is politics. I mean, weather is politics. I was talking to a friend. I like to ski.

There's no ski season. And I told a friend, It's like the ski season now ends like March 8th. I'm like, is it global warming? Oh, boy, I get pushed back. I'm like, I don't know. It just used to be able to ski until April. Like the last two years, it feels like it's died.

You are more aggressive politically. And I kind of stay away from it mostly because everybody else is doing it. And I feel like, you know, ESPN went more heavily into it. And I thought it was a business decision to the audience that was turned off by that. I'd mostly stay on sports. And it worked. It helped. As you pivoted more into politics, are you glad you did?

Are you happy you did? Have there been repercussions? Has it hurt revenue? Has it helped revenue? Where do you stand today on that decision? Because I, you know, I think of your career and I think, a man show, huge podcasting. And then a lot of people just got stuck into as performers, politics. Because the whole weather became political.

Sports is political. How do you view it? it now. If you go back five years, are you glad you kind of aggressively be moving into that space? I'm in the business of saying whatever it is I'm thinking. So I can't really control it per se, whatever I happen to be thinking of at the time more so than other things. It doesn't help. I've got a lot of documentaries. None of them get into Sundance. That's for political reasons, for sure. And it doesn't help in Hollywood at all. It's a non-help. but I still say what I want to say and,

you know, make enough to keep the lights on. And, you know, people have this misnomer where they go, oh, you're, you now become some sort of right wing talk mouthpiece and you go over to Fox to

get paid. It's like, Fox doesn't pay you. No. You're going Tucker Carlson or Sean Hannity. You don't get paid. And you actually lose money because we're in a very liberal town. And they will blackball you if you don't fall on lockstep,

with them and all their kooky ideas. So no, it's not a good business decision. I tell my liberal friends all the time, I say, you get, you were wrong on the masks. Right. You were wrong on them. You just, you have to own that. If you're going to pretend you're the smartest people in the room on air, you were wrong on the masks. You were also wrong. There was a moment at the beginning of COVID, Adam, and I'll let you go. Jacksonville, a lot of people went on the beach in Jacksonville. And people went crazy. The media went crazy. And for two weeks, Adam, I kept going to a website to check on Jacksonville's COVID numbers. They never popped.

Of course. And I thought, and I remember thinking, you're not going to get sick at the beach. That's what I yelled it from the mountaintop from day one. You're not going to get sick outside. No, you'll get better outside.

All right, Adam Carole is busy. He's got a lot of things going on. He's trying to get those docs approved into the Sundance Film Festival in Park City. You're busy. We called you last second. Very appreciative of thank you. Sure, Colin.

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