The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast - Bad News Bills, The Perfect NFL Job For Jim Harbaugh, Sharp Or Square

Episode Date: December 8, 2023

Colin reacts to the news of serious discord developing between the Bills and head coach Sean McDermott (3:15) and why it might be the perfect opportunity for Jim Harbaugh should he choose to leave Michigan (6:00) Chad Millman, Chief Content Officer of the Action Network, joins from Las Vegas for a round of “Sharp or Square,” to help provide Colin with the sharpest betting advice for the Week 14 NFL slate!  (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) 15:30 - Saints vs. Panthers 16:45 - Broncos vs. Chargers 18:10 - Seahawks vs. 49ers 19:40 - Ravens vs. Rams 21:40 - Browns vs. Jags 23:15 - Chiefs vs. Bills 25:20 - Eagles vs. Cowboys Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates! #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Game time. All right, hi, everybody. Chad Millman's going to come in, Sharp or Square. Actually, like the board this week. I had a winning week last week at three and two on Blazing Five, four and one pre- Thanksgiving. So we've hit seven of our last ten picks, feel good about it, and it's a pretty good board this week as well. I think the interesting story today is Tyler Dunn, who is connected covers the Packers and the Buffalo Bills, has a story today. It's part of a three-part series on Sean McDermott and how he has worn out as welcome in Buffalo.

And there's a lot of, you know, anonymous sourcing that I trust with Tyler Dunn on players saying he's rigid, he's a blamer. You know, that's why the defensive coordinator is quit. He fashions himself as a great leader, but doesn't inspire players. But the most damning part of the article to me, and something I talk about so often that I do worry that it's just, it's fatiguing to the audience, is defensive coaches do not have relationships with quarterbacks. we've seen Mack Jones and Belichick regressed terribly. Pete Carroll and Russell Wilson, really bad. Mike Zimmer and Kirk Cousins, reportedly huge fissures in that relationship. In the Tyler Dunn's story, the part that would really concern me is the quote that Sean McDermott all these years with Josh Allen doesn't really have a great relationship. That's why Josh Allen has regressed since Brian Daybow left. And we've talked about it on FS1. If you look, at the coaches who have had to deal with backup quarterback situations this year.

Shane Stike and Colts. They're winning with Gardner Minshu. Zach Taylor, Jake Browning, just beat the Jaguars in Jacksonville. You know, I mean, Brock Purdy started his career with Shanahan as a backup. Kevin Stefansky with Joe Flacko last week, surprisingly capable. You look at defensive coaches who have to deal with backups. Belichick and Bailey Zappy, Dennis Allen having to deal with James Winston and New Orleans. So there is a thread here.

Offensive coaches consistently have better relationships, not surprisingly, with their quarterback. But when your quarterback is Josh Allen, you got to get it right. And in that Tyler Dunn article, McDermott has no real tight relationship with a star quarterback. And listen, you just don't see very often. he's a blamer in the article. A defensive coordinator resign like Leslie Frazier or respected guy. This year they blamed Ken Dorsey. He gets fired. So Buffalo is a small market, a very small market by pro sports franchise market comps. And so I have my questions whether they'd fire him or not. But the reason I talk about this, it leads me to the second story, which is Jim Harbaugh is negotiating an $11.5 million a year deal with Michigan. I think the only great job available in the NFL is potentially the Buffalo Bills job.

The Chargers would be a good job, but Brandon Staley hasn't been fired, and the Dean Spanos children, the boys, are upstairs in the front office, which has scared off other coaches. It's not ideal. You won't get much of a say in personnel, which Harbaal wants. Buffalo is different. They have drafted pretty well, not great. But what they're missing is somebody to build a consistently good run game and old. line. That is exactly what Jim Harbaugh is done with the Niners, with Stanford, and with Michigan. What the bills lack as a coach, vision, quarterback elevation, physicality, and a consistent run game.

That's exactly what Harbaugh does. So Jim Harbaugh to Buffalo is a perfect fit. The defense is good enough. The roster's good enough. There are things they do well. But how many years does this defensive coach get to use alibis to explain the inability to run the ball consistently? Also struggling to run the ball consistently, defensive coach Mike Tomlin and Pittsburgh. So it's a pattern. The tighter done story is eye-opening. Check it out on Bill's coach, Sean McDermott, does not paint a pretty picture. And in line with that, juxtaposed with the Jim Harbaugh news. If I was Jim Harbaugh, I would accept Michigan's offer. I don't think there's a great job out there. You get about one great job opening every three or four

years. Cowboys, Mike McCarthy job. You get Dak, the O line, a committed franchise, good money, great city, good job. Matt LaFleur Packers, Aaron Rogers, late prime, great job. Not many. You can say, oh, oh, well, look at Pete Carroll took the Seahawks. They didn't have quarterback right. Pete couldn't get the quarterback right for a couple years. That looks like a good franchise. It wasn't when he took it over. Oh, the Houston Texans were a mess. D'Amico Ryan is great, and C.J. Stroud has been shockingly good.

It's not a good job. Most of these openings, you've got an owner issue, a roster issue, or a pressure and unrealistic expectation issue like Carolina. Bills, not only a great job opening because of Josh Allen, steady ownership, good roster, Belichick's leaving soon. Aaron Rogers' situation is still a mess. Tua, they haven't given him an extension, so you don't really know if the organization's all in on Tua, who has been historically injury prone. That's the only job if I'm Arbaugh. I pause on the Michigan contract offer.

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Or wherever you get your podcast All right, time for another edition of Sharper Square. Chad Millman's CCO Action Network, all odds provided by Draft Kings. You're in Vegas, and I have a feeling I know what you're going to talk about, which is something friends and I have discussed doing over the next six to eight weeks, which is the giant eyeball in the sky, the sphere, and you went to it and watched the YouTube show, right? I did, and I got to tell you, it was everything, everything, everybody says, it is worth any amount of hassle to do it. You're talking to friends about doing it.

I went with friends last night. Obviously, the NFL is a crazy busy time. For me, it's a crazy busy time for you. I went with a buddy who also covers the NFL for ESPN and another friend of ours. And it's one of those things. You can probably appreciate this. We all love you. The three of us love you too. And we had talked during the summer. We're going to go. We're going to get tickets. And then like you start to realize the season's coming up. It's impossible to find a 24-hour window where you can fly from the east coast to the west coast and do this. And like we get lazy and one of the guys has two kids under five. And so it's just like, and then all of a sudden the videos started coming out from the sphere. And we were like, what do we do it? Why? Like any amount of hassle will be worth it. And it is incredibly painful and entirely worth it. It is astonishing. It's tremendous.

So basically what you're seeing, it looks live, it's not, but it's a look live concert. Well, no, they're there. I mean, they're playing, but the backdrop is this kaleidoscope of images that ranges from this crazy Elvis collage that plays behind even better than the real thing, you know, their song. and then they get to where the streets have no name, and it turns into complete desert Nevada landscape, and it goes like that up and down sort of the visual cues throughout the entire show, and it's mostly their Achtung Baby album.

There's a little bit of rattle and humming there, and then in the end, they play off with the hits, and it's, look, they know what they're doing. What's interesting to me, if we want to get into the weeds on you too here, They highlight the edge and his guitar playing visually so much in this show on like 20-story screens, and it is incredible to watch. I can't recommend it enough if you can get there. Yeah, I thought it was.

I thought you two, this was my perception of what the sphere was. You two performed for two weeks. They taped it, and then they weren't going to stay there forever, and you'd get a tape of it. Well, look, I think what they do, and I've got some insubes. inside Intel on this is they will fly in on Wednesdays from L.A. Leave Wednesday night, come back Friday, stay Friday Saturday, leave back to L.A. after that. So they're not always here, but for the shows, they are coming in. That's exciting. Yeah, it's great. And then you're doing the NBA in-season tournament tonight. NBA in-season tournament. As soon as we're done, I'm going to head

over to Team Mobile and watch a couple of semifinal games. It's going to be awesome. All right, let's start. Square. So let's go underdogs first. I'm prone to like underdogs. Saints are all beat up. You got a new coaching staff with the Panthers trying to impress the owner who's an impulsive impatient man. Saints have been an underachieving team all year. I'm going to take Bryce Young plus five against the division rival, Sharper Square. Totally sharp play. This one has been moving. Colin, this line opened at six and a half on Sunday. Wise guys immediately. started betting it by Monday morning it's down to five, right? And look, nobody thinks the Saints are what the Saints were expected to be in the beginning of the year. James Winston,

he's 8 and 19 against the spread as a favorite in his career. Dennis Allen, one of the most unprofitable coaches against the spread in his tenure of the past 20 years. There are one in nine this year as a favorite. Meanwhile, the Panthers defense has been improving. They got J.C. Hornback last week. He is a difference maker in the backfield, defensive backfield. And the Saints just haven't been

very good. Like everyone talks about their defense. Defense is like 30th in EPA per play in the past six weeks. So not a good spot for the Saints, and that's why the wise guys are playing them. All right. Denver plus three.

Last week against a really, really well-coached defense, they got turnover prone, but the previous four to five weeks they weren't. There are limitations to the offense, but they're not a turnover heavy offense they were last week on the road. The chargers don't create turnovers. I thought that a performance against New England was staggeringly bad, shockingly. It's as if the locker room quit, but the Patriots were so bad they still couldn't beat them. I would take the Broncos in a rivalry game here, plus three, sharper square. Yeah, definitely the sharp side.

Nobody likes to bet the Chargers as favorites. Even last week, the wise guys were betting the Patriots, and they got, you know, unfortunately it was basically a bad beat. It was a baseball score of six to nothing, and the line started at six and moved down a little bit. Similar here. Like, we're talking about a division underdog. Last five years, they cover 57% of the spread, 50% of the time when they are the road dog. the Broncos, last week aside, they had their moments.

They had a shot to cover and win against the Texans, even playing terribly. So now they're getting a much better coach in a smash spot for the wise guys. They're on the Broncos. Seahawks plus 10 and a half at the Niners. Philadelphia's, that win is impressive, as we've often talked about. After a great win, teams pull back. Seattle at 6 and 6 and 6 and the Rams are coming hard, desperate. You know, I'm not a Gino Smith fan, but there's weapons here.

This is a rivalry game. It's the season for Seattle. I thought this was one of my favorite picks on the board, Sharper Square. Totally sharp. What's interesting here is this number, it's kind of stabilized. On Sunday night, opened about 12, 12.5. 13, immediately that number got that down. And you do have a lot of things here. look, it is as high as high as it gets on the Niners right now, right?

Their four-game win streak, when Debo and Trent Williams are playing, they are 9-0, they are beating teams by three touchdowns when that duo is on the field. Brock Purdy looks invincible when those guys are playing and he has those weapons. Here's the challenge. They are coming off that Eagles win. That's why the number opened so high. That's why the wise guys immediately bet it down. known to 10 and a half. Again, road dogs in the division the past five years, 57% against

spread. You're playing with fire because we do have a lot of evidence how good the Niners have been, but as a professional better, you have to take the Seahawks in this spot. The precedent will tell you long term that is a value play. Okay, so I've had this theory that if you don't have a quarterback on your roster that can duplicate to some degree Lamar Jackson and you're an NFC team, you're screwed going to Baltimore. Seattle got buried. Detroit got buried. Matt Stafford is going to get buried. The Rams have been doing it. They face some backup quarterback, some pretty lousy defenses. They've been at home. Rough spot for an NFC traveling to a different time zone, early game. I love the line at minus seven. Don't love it as much at minus seven. Don't love it as much at

minus seven and a half, but Baltimore's done this time and time again as a home favorite against West Coast teams, Ravens minus seven and a half sharper square. Well, at seven and a half it's square. At seven, it's neutral. There's no huge consensus here. The Rams are getting played at seven and a half. There's a couple things that are tempting the wise guys. Seven and a half is just a huge number, right? You can easily see the Rams are down by two touchdowns. Game is out of reach. They got two minutes left. You know, Sean McVeigh is not going to take his foot off the gas. Matthew Stafford, in that spot, can wing it, find his receivers. The Ravens are playing a little bit more lax, and they cover the back door at seven and a half because, you know, you got the hook.

At seven, it's a little bit more cautious for the wise guys. There's one factor here. Lamar Jackson, as a favorite, of more than three, is not very good. 21 and 31 against a spread. And Lamar Jackson is a favorite of more than three at home. Not very good. John Harbaugh, historically incredibly profitable. Not very good as a favorite of more than three at home. So this is not a great spot for the Ravens.

However, they have been turning it around a little bit this year. That Colts game, I think, was an anomaly. We saw it with the Seahawks. We saw it with the Lions. But don't remember, don't forget. Those games were under a touchdown. So you're playing with fire if you're going to take seven and a half. One of my favorite lines of the week.

Now, the line's gotten a little out of hand, but Cleveland minus three and a half. So Christian Kirk's surgery out, Trevor Lawrence out, C.J. Bethard against one of the best defenses in 10 years and the Cleveland defense much better at home. If you watch the Browns Rams game, Joe Flacko was good. Shockingly good. Offensive coaches taking backup quarterbacks this year. And I can give you six. It's worked quickly.

O'Connell Dobbs worked quickly. I'm going to take the Browns to cover. I think it's a blowout. I think they blow out a Jags team. C.J. Bethard is a borderline NFL guy, Sharper Square. Well, it's sharp, and that's why the number has moved so aggressively. It moved, obviously, when the Trevor Lawrence injury happened, and, you know, now knowing it's going to be C.J. Beather, but don't forget, you've lost Christian Kirk. You've lost Cam Robinson. They've lost people on defense, which was already a bad secondary. Now you're going to have a massive amount of wind and rain and a game that is going to be very, very ugly. This defense for the Browns is different at home, 10 points per game at home, 30 points per game on the road. They are relatively healthy.

Forget about Joe Flacco for a second. You're just talking about the advantages that Cleveland has of the defensive unit playing against a litany of backups for the Jags. So the wise guys have continue to play this and they're still playing it at three and a half. Another damaging story comes out about Sean McDermott, how one of his coaches got a truck paid for by players. It's just bad PR. End of last season to now with the bills. Kansas City lost to a really red hot Jordan Love. I think the Packers now are playing really good. I think they were a bad PI miss by the officials from scoring a tying touchdown. So I think we're overplaying because it was a wildly popular game and highly viewed.

We're overplaying the problems with the chiefs. They are favored by only one and a half against the Bills, who I just think going back to last year's playoff game are a bit of a mess inside the walls of that organization. I'll take Kansas City to cover Sharper Square. Well, look, the line has moved in the Bills direction before this story that you're referring to came out. And this line opened at three, immediately got that down to two and a half, then two, then one and a half, some places, one, which to me is insane. And I think it is a huge overreaction to the troubles that Kansas City has had, like you said, and also an overreaction to the bills, being competitive against the Eagles, losing a really bad game, having the week off, and now needing to win this game to get to the playoffs. haven't the bills been desperate for like a month and it hasn't mattered, right?

So why is this game going to be any different? And to your point about Patrick Mahomes, look, I bet the Packers plus six last week on Monday night. And there is nothing that feels worse than having the team that is playing against Patrick Mahomes when Patrick Mahomes has the ball at the end of the game. And look, he made a bad pass. He got beat on that interception. But you're right. one PI away from probably get into the end zone and making that a 27-27 game,

I don't want to bet against Patrick Mahomes as less than a field goal favorite in November and December when he's at home. So if you're telling me, I got to get Patrick Mahomes and he's just got to win by one point. Come on. Of course we're taking the Chiefs. All right. It's time to talk me into this one. Eagles plus three and a half, despite the fact they will have played the Cowboys and the Bills and the Niners and the Cowboys. And all these tough teams, Kansas City mixed in. There is a fatigue, right? But I do think it's being overvalued.

This is a good team that had won 24 of 26. Cold, leading, trailing, warm, windy, they win. Three and a half divisional game. Cowboys may win, but the hook I'd take, why isn't everybody seeing this as an obvious Eagles play? Part of it is scheme. The Eagles have been exposed in the middle of their defense. They just can't cover.

And we saw that with the 49ers. They just destroyed the Eagles with a scheme that can be very similar to what the Cowboys are trying to do, right? Mike McCarthy all year talking about playing a style of West Coast offense that he had done with the Packers. And, you know, they're changing it up a little bit. But if you look at what Dak is doing this year, he and CD-LAM are making connections. And that ability to drive the slant route and connect on that is going to be really challenging for the Eagles, especially in the middle of the defense for them. that's one reason. Also, the Eagles have not been running the ball. Lane Johnson injured. I think

that's a huge tell for the wise guys. But the truth is, Colin, you look at every metric, look at number of bets, you look at an amount of money. It's pretty split, 50-50, which is why this thing has basically stayed where it is. There was the initial push, opened it two and a half, wise guys took the two, they took the three, and now it's a three and a half. It hasn't gone up to four because So everything is basically stabilized. So I think this is where it's going to be for a little while. No consensus. I'm on the Cowboys for what it's worth.

All right. Finally, dumpster diving. What's the game I missed? Well, look, we got two options here. One, I can't believe you didn't bring up the bears getting three and a half. No, that's an interesting one. So talk about that. To me, this is a no-brainer.

And the Bears opened at five, wise guys bet it down immediately. It settled at three and a half within about. 24, 48 hours. Number one, the Bears defense has been playing really, really well the past seven weeks compared to the Lions defense, which has been getting shredded. And they're missing McNeil in the middle of their defensive line. That is a huge impact that people who know football are talking a lot about. So now you're getting a team on the road playing in Chicago where weather is going to be a factor. Jared Boff in his career averaging less than 14 points per game when the weather is under 50 degrees against a team in Justin Field, a lot of our PO.

We've seen what they've been doing when he is on the field since his injury, a lot more running. They kept this game close against the lines two weeks ago. They beat the Vikings last week. This Bears team doesn't get credit for how much more it's improved since the by week. So the wise guys are on the Bears. One more? Well, you mentioned backup quarterbacks. and you talked about sort of they're getting these opportunities to shine quickly.

Jake Browning did not play well in his first game against the Steelers, but he played very well in his second game against the Jags. Very accurate. Look at what this Colts team has done. Who have they beaten up? The Panthers, the Patriots, very lucky against the Titans last week to get a win and continue this winning streak. So is this a Jake Browning spot?

The wise guys think so. The wise guys have been betting this game down. The Bengals opened about two, two and a half. It's now down to one. I think if you can get the Bengals as an underdog, you still take it. Chad Milman, all odds provided by Draft King, CCO Action Network. Enjoy NBA in-season tournament. And thanks for the update on the sphere.

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