The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast - Barstool’s Netflix Deal, Joe Burrow’s Trade Value? Tua’s Career Over? NBA Cup Is Great

Episode Date: December 18, 2025

Colin’s joined by Danny Parkins, host of “First Thing’s First” on FS1. They start by discussing Barstool’s deal with Netflix and  the podcast space expanding from audio to video. They compare it to sports moving from radio to TV and explain why it isn’t “selling out”...it’s smart business (3:00).  They move to the criticism of the NBA Cup and they both agree the blowback is unfounded and  that the in-season tournament is a hit since the players bought in (19:00). Colin offers his new theory that explains the unprecedented drop off from Russell Wilson after seeing Tua on MNF. He argues that when smaller quarterbacks are afraid to get hit, they age overnight. They both agree that Tua’s career is likely over (29:45).  They discuss the evolution of Justin Herbert, and why they think he could win a title and an MVP under Jim Harbaugh (37:15). They also express sympathy for Joe Burrow after he gave multiple despondent press conferences and they debate whether his discontent is purely with the Bengals or if there are other factors (43:45). They also try to decipher what the trade value for Burrow would be if he forces a trade (58:00). Finally, Colin explains why Indiana quarterback Fernando Mendoza is an easy player to scout due to Indiana running an NFL style offense (1:00:30), and they discuss some of their bad sports bets (1:06:00).   (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates!  #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So there was an announcement today, IHeart, Net. Netflix. Netflix is buying all sorts of podcasts. And I was scrolling around right before this. I stay off the phone, mostly prep, show, train ride home, right? I try to be intentional with my phone viewing. But I was dinking around here. So it's off the top of my head here. Barstool, Dave Portnoy, it was getting crap. He was being called a sellout, you know, for doing the Netflix deal. And it was really interesting. I know. you'll appreciate this. Dave owns a company, IHeart's company, I own a company. Podcasting is audio. I listen to podcasts. I don't watch them. I may try it Netflix. Absolutely. I've done before. I've watched some Joe Rogan before, the visual version. But their podcasts were built for audio. So now YouTube kind of controlled the universe. It is a win for anybody that owns a company and a podcaster, if the dominating position is challenged, like when FS1 was created and people criticized it.

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There's my rant. I think it's a good rant. The only thing that I think you left out, and I'll take a position on what you said in a second. Of course it's good for, like, you and me, like content's creators, more people who would want to like bid on. our content and like store our content distribute of course it's good for you and me of course it's good for the companies and you own one and that's amazing and all that i think the quite i assume the people that were calling them a sell out and i didn't see that but i assume that that wasn't like media executives it was like people on twitter like the question is is it's going to be good for

the consumer like if you watch these podcasts on video and your preferred method of viewing it is YouTube and that is free and you don't pay for Netflix and now you want to watch part of my take or the breakfast club or whatever one of the middle cost podcast. Whatever one you watch, now you have to watch it in a different place exclusively. If you don't subscribe to that place, you are now faced with a choice to either stop watching, listen only, or subscribe. So I think for the consumer, it's like barrier of entry. Like I saw there was some criticism that the NBA Cup final was not on regular TV.

And it's like, well, yeah, the world is changing. Is it a little frustrating as like, yeah, we are content creators, but like, is it a little frustrating that Peacock and Netflix and Fox and CBS and NBC and ESPN? And then these NFL games are in a million different places, NBA games aren't a million different place and it's like, I got an idea. Let's bundle it all together and call it cable. And it would be a lot, it would be a lot easier for the consumer. But the world has just changed a million times since that bundle and it's going to continue to. I do watch a lot of YouTube. Like I will watch a clip of like the one that was going viral recently. I thought it was amazing. Will Arnett on Conan O'Brien's podcast talking about grief.

And I've obviously dealt with a lot in that space in my recent life. And I was like, it was beautiful. I've watched the clip legitimately probably eight times and sent it to probably 20 people. I didn't listen to that. I saw a video clip. And you know what I mean? So I do consume some of this stuff in video form. And so I'm just, I'm interested in it from Netflix's standpoint of do they think it's

going to get more subscribers or do they think it is going to just like get time spent on the app and they want more people on their app so that they click over to their other program. My hunch is it's the latter. Like I'd be surprised if there were a bunch of new signups because of this. That's right. Like time spent on the app is their play. That's right. Correct?

That's my take is that Netflix is going to these companies taking another reason to stick. You go for a documentary and you're like, oh, God, I'll stick for another half hour and watch this pod. It has a stick quality to it. You may not go specifically for, you know, whatever the podcast is. I also think there are much larger audio audiences of podcasting than visual audiences of podcasting. That's my take. You know, I've seen my numbers. It's bigger in audio than it is the visual portion of it.

I also want to mention Tony Kornheiser got dragged a little bit on the internet. You know, he's an older guy and he said, I didn't watch the NBA Cup because I'm and on real TV. I thought a better way to say it. And maybe he was doing that to kind of, you know, play, kind of like the wrestling play to the character a little bit. You know, he's an older guy. I'm not doing that.

That's funny. What he was really saying is the NBA product is not enough to drive me to streaming, which I think is true. I've said this before. I think ESPN, the incumbent, will do well with a new contract. NBC will hemorrhage money, but they'll find an audience. Streaming to get me to streaming, Amazon did it with Thursday night football. They've done it with documentaries, great series, an occasional fight. But you can't get me to regular season anything outside of football for streaming. That's, I think, the point Tony was making that kind of runs alongside what he said was, yeah, I'm not, NBA's not getting me to a streaming platform. That is why I've believe Amazon because they have a

reservoir of money. I mean, I ordered three things on Amazon in the last week. They can hemorrhage money. NBC is going to hemorrhage money, and they're going to have layoffs. They're going to lose a billion dollars a year on that thing. ESPN's the incumbent.

The incumbent doesn't have to buy 40 new reporters, directors, producers. They've got their remote unit set up. But I think to that point, the, I don't, Adam Silver's smart to do it. The owners absolutely love it.

But I do wonder how many people are going to go to Amazon to watch NBA. I think the number is going to be small. Yeah. Way and, I mean, will we even know the number? You know, like, how do we know? Like, there's the, it's like all internal data stuff. When they release it and they're like, 26 million people watched that NFL game on Christmas. I'm like, I guess I'll take your word for it.

You know what I mean? It's not like it's out there available for every. or that everyone can verify it. It's like independent data that they that they keep. And so I think the Amazon thing, and you mentioned it in terms of like they have obviously unlimited money and they can hemorrhage it. They, it's already happened. And I think it is only going to just keep happening. But like the integration on these Amazon broadcasts to buying things is pretty amazing. And the first time I stumbled on it was like a couple of months ago. I clicked on my remote, like, accidentally.

But it was at a time when on the broadcast, it was saying, like, during like one of the, like the picture and picture commercials where they're like showing the teams coming on and off the field. So they didn't completely go to a commercial. But then they showed a commercial like in the other box. And it was like, you know, click OK to get an email about this product. And I clicked okay because I was trying to change off of something or mute or whatever I was doing. you can just now buy the thing that's on commercial on the Amazon broadcast. That is clearly the future. And it's a pretty amazing thing.

So they can pay for the NFL and get 20 million people to be on their app. And the reason they did Black Friday, why do they do Black Friday? It's their biggest day of the year. That's right. So like I'm watching Bears Eagles. And obviously I'm very invested in this game. But also I know that there's all these Black Friday deals. And every time there's a commercial, you have the option to buy it right there through your remote.

Or if it's like a more complicated thing, like an insurance plan. It's like, would you like an email with all of these details? And if you just click one button through your prime account that is linked to it, they'll send it to you. So I totally see the reason why Amazon wants events, events that get large, amounts of people onto their server, even if that game would get a million people on ESPN for an NBA game, if they get 250,000 people for an NBA game on Amazon. And 5% buy. Yeah.

That's, Amazon is the easiest one to understand, like why they want to get into it. Because it's a mall. You can buy literally anything right there on their product. So, yeah, the Amazon one, I don't question at all. the um yeah i mean it's i know it's not easy for the consumer but i there are certain things like i like the challenge of owning a company and i mean did you see lucas shaw is somebody i follow on twitter he's a media guy okay yeah and lucas shaw said for the first time in was it a decade cord cutting went the opposite direction it added cable added

subscribers again. Doesn't mean the end of cord cutting. No. But what it, what it shows is the demand has been so relentless on the consumer with buying new and more streaming services. Some people have said, the hell with it, I'm going to go back to cable. I'm not paying 300. I'll pay 180. And I won't watch most of what's on cable, but I'm not, you know, I mean, look, we've got inflation that's reportedly high unemployment numbers have ticked up. I mean, stuff matters. Egg prices were a topic a year ago. Well, and, I mean, so I have not cut the cord because I'm like, in my line of work,

our line of work, same. The easiest barrier of entry to get the most things on my television is still my preferred method and I'm going to pay for the services anyway. Like what I spend on cable, internet, and add-on services is exorbitant, but it's literally our job. So it's just like, it's like paying for water. You know what I mean? It's like not even a thing I really think about,

which I know is coming from a place of privilege. But for my friends, a ton of people my age, most people my age, most of my best friends don't pay for cable. But I often will hear them or in the group chats or whatever. YouTube TV ups the price again. And they're not, these are guys who are traders, lawyers.

It's not that they, It's not that they can't afford it, but they initially cut the, cut the cord to save the money. Like, because they were tech, tech savvy. This is why Netflix entering the podcast space is good eventually for the consumer because YouTube basically ran it. Correct. It owned a space, and that's never healthy for the consumer or the podcaster or the podcast company. Right. I think, I think it will get there.

And I think at the beginning, the consumer is going to be like, wait, I've watched the last 500 episodes of part of my take on YouTube. Now I have to do what? You know what I mean? Like there will be, it's a disruption. There will be a- By the way, who doesn't have Netflix at this point? No, I agree. I agree.

But it still is a change in habit, right? For whatever. And I'm sure it'll be easy and I'm sure it'll be heavily promoted on the app and all of those things. You know, it's what is, I've always tried to give away. as much of my content. Bill Simmons and I had this discussion once. Give it away for free. And a great example. Oprah was the biggest star on TV. She left, right? She left broadcast TV and literally disappeared. Irrelevant. She got rich. So she chose wealth over relevant. At that point in her career, I think that was the right call. Once she like owns, she like owns Hawaii. So yeah,

it was probably the right call. Howard Stern, most relevant radio guy in the world. went to serious, got rich, not nearly as relevant. Howard Stern would do it again. I've always had this theory. When six is the first number of your age, get out of relevance. You don't need to be more famous at the grocery store. Go with wealth. As your brand building in your 20s, 30s, 40s, you start getting late 50s and somebody

comes up and says, I'm going to put you behind a paywall and pay you seven times you made an FM radio. You take the money. It's all the Bill Murray line, which. is people say rich and famous, try the rich, that'll do. That'll be, you'll find, that will be just fine. So, so my take is, let's say pardon, my take does lose some audience. If they're getting an additional four million each from the company, you take it. The dudes have busted their ass for, I mean, what do they do,

a three-hour podcast? They've been busting their ass for years. Yeah, well, yeah. I mean, not to like pocket watch those guys, you know, but they, yeah, they, they do well. I saw one clip of that. They were talking about like, and like it, it helps like pay the behind the scenes people more because the people that are in charge of video, get to monetize all of that. It's, again, for the content creator, it's a no brainer, like especially because you guys, like the people that like they're really paying to do this, like the big names they're hauling over there, you all already have your relevance.

And in the podcast space, like the Breakfast Club made it's, they made it in audio. Part of my take made it in audio. And none of the audio is changing. You could still listen on iTunes, Spotify. That's right. Wherever you get your podcast. And that's their larger audience. Correct.

So to them, they don't, oh, selling out. Okay. I'll be like that scene on the bed in the hotel and the presidential suite in Dumb and Dumber, just like wiping my tears with $100 bills. Like, helling out. Like, yeah, for those guys, those guys probably got million, you would know better than me, they probably got millions of dollars. Like, they'll be fine with that criticism in their mentions on X.

For the record, I did a rant today to lead my show. And I tend to have my lead on a star athlete or a star team. And I did it on the NBA Cup. And I said, people that complain a lot are rarely creators. surround yourself with creators, not complainers. And I said, the people that bitch about the NBA Cup, they don't watch the NBA. They don't. And it's like a rural guy in Kentucky ripping California.

It's like, bro, we're the fourth biggest economy in the world and the weather's perfect. We're doing just fine. California is doing just fine. I know I know living with goats is your chosen, you know, docile. I'm for that. But and so when I hear guys ripping the NBA Cup, my take is I watched the players. They gave a shit. They were into it last night.

They were, they were, I'll tell you this, the NBA players I watched last night were more into that than the COVID-Orlando experience where the Lakers won the title and did sort of this weird, fake. in authentic cheering and there was no crowd. Like I watched last night, I'm like, these guys are busting their butt. They're totally into this thing. So, and if it takes an extra check to get there, who cares? Like, coloring the court. Like, I like the swing of Adam Silver. Yeah, undeniable.

And I love that he, like, that he unapologetically stole it from the Premier League. Like you said, it works in European soccer. I believe eventually it will work here. I'm like, that is like one of my favorite things. a commissioner in sports has said in my lifetime. Because it's just so much we're, there's like, we're America and it's our game. And like we have the best ideas.

And it's like, no, no, no, I think this thing works. And it shouldn't be that we have 30 teams and only one is happy at the end of the year. Let's do something else. And let's try it. And so like, is the like, how much should a fan care about something new, reasonable minds can disagree on that. How much are the players doing it for the money? I'm actually a little skeptical of it.

I actually think that it's like these guys are super competitive. And they're like, oh, there's a trophy being given out. Like, it's not like the crown and accomplishment in my career. It's not going to be the first story I tell my grandkids. But like bragging rights. You know, you feel like, who won it? Yonis has won it. You know, like the thunder were in the finals and then we're in the semis this year.

It's like, oh, Danny, when I was in local radio, I didn't get paid more for good ratings books, but I loved winning. Yeah. You said I had a better contract. You didn't have ratings. What hell's the matter with you? So you're savvy business guy. You got to at least get a little extra 5K, a little extra 10K a quarter. What's going on?

But it meant something to me. Of course, you're competitive. But then the other thing that I think is this is where we're at three years into it. imagine how it's going to feel in 23 years. It's only going to get more competitive and more popular as it becomes more a part of the fabric of the sport and people get used to it. So the debate over the banner is silly to me. Like the NBA should mandate it. And it's like you shouldn't, you don't, the banner shouldn't be as big as a championship banner.

You don't even need to have a night where you raise the banner. It could just be like, they want. on on a Tuesday, the next time the Knicks play a home game, it's just up. And it's just NBA, the banner at the top side is NBA Cup champion, 2,025. That's it. Don't need to raise a banner. Black it out, call back your legends.

Like, it's just like, it should be, if the Lakers can figure it out with 17 championships, like put it up, make it a league mandated thing so that it is celebrated, so that it is celebrated, so that it is talked about so that it is because it's only going to get more popular. I saw Silver said what. He's like we're looking at doing it at like prestigious college arenas. Yes. Cool. Like Alan Fieldhouse or Cameron Indoor like Cameron Indoor 9,000 people in an arena for an NBA game.

That would be really cool. That is a good idea. I've been to Allen Fieldhouse. Those people will go nuts for that game. Like that's a good idea. So I like that they try stuff and I think it's only going to get more popular. Want to know where I bet on sports during the holiday season? Hard Rock bet.

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We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. We were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down?

Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas.

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So for years, the last several years, I could not figure out how Russell Wilson went from elite to maybe just a really good backup with no major injury and he wasn't that old. And I kept saying it may, I mean, it was like literally a two-year topic. I don't understand it. I, I what great really good is he a backup but no and then I watched Tua the last two weeks and I went wait two is about his size oh wait and then I watched Kyler Murray Arizona doesn't want to play him and I've come to the conclusion that smaller quarterbacks could not withstand Justin Herbert's career and that those hits are more punitive And if you watch Tua last on Monday night, he is afraid to get hit.

That's not disputable. Like that's been said by Gruden, multiple people out there. Bruce Ariens, like he didn't want to get hit. Kyler Murray, I was told by an NFL guy, his rookie year who sacked him. He's like, bro, I know when somebody's scared when I hit them. And Russell Wilson didn't get hit a lot, but he got hit enough. And so I watched Tua go from pro. to good to can't play a lick. And it sort of unraveled the mystery of Russell Wilson, which is

size matters at quarterback, smaller quarterbacks age overnight. If they lose elusiveness, if they get hit too many times, they don't withstand the punishment. And frankly, I mean, ask yourself, if you got hit by football players who could bench twice your weight and you You, how many hits we did? Justin Herbert, 6.6. I had dinner with their GM, the Chargers last week. He goes, I think he's 6.7, actually. You guys are short changing him.

Six, seven's an NBA small forward, right? And he's 238. So I guess, I guess my point was, I feel like the Tua story is the reality of small quarterbacks. The age overnight. First of all, I hope the Chargers general manager knows how tall Justin Herbert is. He said, I think he's seven. You should know. If anyone in the world should know exactly how tall Justin Herbert is, it's the Chargers general manager.

Yeah, I saw what you asked Brady on the show about the height thing for quarterbacks, and I thought he gave a great answer. There are outliers, but that doesn't disprove the rule, right? It's like Kurt Warner succeeded and he was a grocery store bagger. That doesn't mean you should go to your shop right that finds the next great quarterback, right? Drew Breeze was six feet tall. He's six feet tall. And he got better as his career went on. And he was unbelievable.

But he's also like one of the best throwers of the football ever. You know, like he's just crazy accurate, crazy smart. His highlights don't really make any sense. Like is he throwing from his tiptoes? Yeah, he is. How long has he done that for the decade? Like it's like a week. But it's like, well, but that doesn't mean that if I was a general manager, I'd be like,

I want to find the next Drew Breeze. Like it doesn't. There's one. You know, there's not, there's not many guys that you would, like, long sustained career at that size. And so, yeah, I think it's totally reasonable. The only thing I would say about Tua is, man, it's sad, but it's just true. Like, he's concussion prone.

And he played in an era where we know as much as we do about concussions that he's clearly, been told, you can't get concussions, man. Like, because it had happened, like, when they, when he had the multiple concussions quick and he was having the fencing response and it was really like tough to watch, he got a, he got a concussion. And I don't remember the exact sequence of what happened, but they put him on IR immediately. And it, maybe he came out of the protocol sooner than that. But it got to the point where Mike McDaniel was like, well, we, we, I can't, you can't have a

concussion and then play two of the next week. It felt cruel and reckless and like, you know, like, but then they can't win without Tua. Apparently no one else can run his offense. And so what do you do with that guy? You probably tell him, hey, man, priority number one, don't get a concussion. Don't get hit. Well, so then you combine small quarterback, not the strongest arm, playing to not get hit. And you. You, get what we saw the other night. What is your career over? Yes.

Right? Like it's, it's over. His career's over because he's way too expensive and too accomplished and he's made too much money and he's like too young. Is he going to play for $6 million to be someone's to be a, to be Patrick Mahomes's backup next year? Like that would shock me.

In a strange way. Not that it would be next year because of what his contract, but like two years from now. Is Tua a $5 to $10 million a year backup for a great quarterback? That would shock me. In a weird way, he got paid. He got his guaranteed money. He set for life.

And he's probably best served to not play anymore because of the concussions. In a sense, it played out not beautifully, but it played out or ironically, the way it should have. He made a Pro Bowl. He got paid. There were concussions. He got better. He got bad quickly.

And it's probably time to leave now, not stay for four years. Like most guys could drag it on. In a way, it all played out. Won an addie, drafted first round, made a Pro Bowl, got paid, concussion stuff, really bad. comes back, not the same player, that was always probably going to be his career, right? Like, once he had the first couple concussions, you're like, okay, it's like a big man in the NBA getting injured. They don't go 11 years not getting injured. That's just the,

your body's not meant to be 7.3, right? Just not. Can you, can you imagine, just as you mentioned, the dinner of the Chargers GM? I would have loved to know. Next time you have dinner with him, I'll fly out because Justin Herbert's probably my favorite non-Kaleb Williams player in football. I love watching Justin Herbert play football have for forever. I can't imagine being in that draft room being like, God, I hope the dolphins take Tua over Herbert. What an insane decision when you're talking about height. Like one guy looks like Tua. The other guy looks like Justin Herbert.

And you're like, now I'm going with Tua. I just like, it's a mind-boggling thing. So I have insight to that. Tom Telesco is a friend. I would love to hear as much about that as you're willing to share. Okay. Tom liked both. Tom was leaning to him because he thought he thought Herbert was mechanical.

He was a little stiff. Yeah. Tom goes, I'm going to the Rose Bowl. Oregon's taking on Wisconsin. And Wisconsin had, if you recall, a great defense for about a two-year stretch. They had the former NFL player. came back and was their D coordinator. So he went and watched him.

And I said, what did you think? And he's like, yeah, you got to see Herbert in person. First of all, he's way bigger in person than on TV. And Tom said, secondly, he is really, really athletic. He said, Tom came to the conclusion that Mario Cristobal did not have a backup he believed in. So they played a very super conservative officer. offense. Ohio State did this with C.J. Stroud. They never let him run. And then he played George in his final game. And they let C.J. Stroud run. And he was running all over. And you're like, oh, what, CJ Stroud's athletic? Justin Herbert was a very protect Justin. We don't have a backup we love. Let's, and Mario knew it was a really good team that could get to a Rose Bowl. And then you get to play Wisconsin. And you're like, okay, kid, do your magic. And Tom said, you watched it and went, oh, okay. This is a different version of the guy.

And by the way, John Snyder feels this way, the Seahawks GM. You've got to go to the games. There's certain things you got to see. You've got to be on the sideline before the game. You've got to look at their confidence. You've got to see. You got to hear the ball when they throw it past you. Can you hear it?

Like, there's a lot of things that you want. Yeah, how they interact with teammates. Do they hang their head? I watch Bo Nicks. So I went. I had a place for a while in Utah. And the ducks were in town. and I had seen Washington, Oregon, I'd seen Bone Knicks and Michael Pennix.

I went to the game because I was a Husky fan and a duck fan. But I wanted to see these two quarterbacks. I thought I can kill two birds, one stone, go to Husky Stadium. And a few weeks later, they played Utah. I was literally at my house. I'm like, it's just down the road. I'm going to go watch the game. And I got strangely a great seat, two rows in, and I was right behind Bow Nix.

It wasn't strange. It wasn't strange. You're Colin Cowhart. I didn't think you were going to be in Section 346. Like, go ahead. Sorry. Okay. So I don't know how, but I got a sideline pass and then my ticket was on the 40-yard line in the second row.

I don't know how it happened. I have an idea, but go ahead. So he's cut. Bow's cut when you see him. He is like, it reminds me at Dee Wade's body. You're like, that guy lives in a gym. The second thing was he was on the sideline and they were winning comfortably. I mean, he was a coach, bark, turn, player.

And I was like, holy shit. That is a freaking in. He was intense. And they were up by three touchdowns early. Bo Nix is. And I was just like, oh, wow. Okay, that's the first round. So I knew Sean Payton at the time.

And I said, Sean, let me tell you a story about Bo Nix. I'm like, that guy's impressive in person. And Sean, you know, he loved him just before he even saw him on film and, you know, his personality, the dad was a coach. But I guess the whole point being is when you see Herbert in person or you see some of these quarterbacks in person to hear the ball, to see the interaction. It's different than you and I. That's why I go to two or three college games a year. I want to see people in person. Yeah, I think that that's, I mean, that's what scouting is, right? You can't just watch the film.

There's all sorts of soft factors. It's interesting, the Herbert mechanical thing. I think that's totally fair. Like, he's the last couple of years, I think it translated to the pros. I think he was very, you know, make the right read. Sometimes you would throw short of the sticks a little bit too much. But you know what I mean? I think that that was a fair criticism of him. But for me, I also was just like, there was always like, man, you know what? That guy's not the problem.

Like his rookie year, he's not even supposed to start. Tyrod Taylor has the mistake. The needle, the mistake punctured lung thing. He comes in and he plays in week two. and at the end of the year. Against Mahomes. Yeah, right, exactly. At the end of the year, he's got 31 touchdown passes, which is still a record for rookie players. And I'm like, unbelievable. He said three head coaches. He said, I think four play callers. He's had disastrous injuries around him always.

They just have terrible luck, terrible special teams, until this year. Finally, Dicker is an unbelievable kicker. He's obviously got a coach who knows how to win. Still horrifying injury luck. most offensive line combinations in the NFL. I just, I want to see one year, and I know everybody gets hurt, just like one year where Justin Herbert has just like above average luck around him. Because I'm just, to me, it's like you watch the NFL and people, well, you can't have him in your top five because he has zero playoff wins. I'm like, watch me.

Like, Mahomes, Allen, this year, you want to say Stafford, but fine. But like, if you think there are five, four, four. five quarterbacks in the world better than Justin Herbert. I just think you're insane. I think it's an insane thought, but it's got zero playoffs. And people will say interceptions, but right now, seven of the leading 11 interception leaders in the NFL are Josh Allen, Mahomes, Herbert, Trevor Lawrence, Dak, Bo, Nix. It's like, guys, for the last six Super Bowels, the winning quarterback threw an interception

in the Super Bowl. Like, you got to get over that. Yeah, they, listen, he had four interceptions. game against Houston last year. Obviously, in the playoff game, it's obviously not good. Two of them were off his guy's hands and his offensive line was decimated in the interior and Houston was a great defense and he was a bad game to have the worst game of his career. Undeniable. Blue a 27 point lead to Jacksonville. I don't tend to think that's on the quarterback. Missed kick, other team, defense, all those things. But, you know, again, oh and two, you got to live with it. But I just, he's going to

hoist a Lombardi trophy. He's going to be an MVP. Like I just, I think he's, I think he's Too good not to. One of the things that it's one of the things I always feel bad for athletes. I know they're rich. Yeah, sure. But I always feel bad for athletes that the harder you train in college, the greater you are, the worst franchise you go to. And I have so, I've thought about this.

Joe Burrell's situation so many times. So in his, is it six or seven years in the NFL? He's never had an O-line rated higher than 23rd best in the NFL. They don't make any big trades. Even their star players are almost forced to hold out. Zach Taylor, by any estimation, is okay. And even if he wasn't, they don't fire and pay off coaches early. Cincinnati's a small, I mean, people don't understand.

Los Angeles doesn't have a bigger economy than Cincinnati. It's hundreds of times bigger. The game day revenue, Stan Cronky makes it SOFi in a Sunday is probably almost a season worth of game day revenue. Maybe two SOFi games is an entire season worth of home games for Cincinnati. So I really, I, and I feel Joe Burrell and Carson Palmer already ditch this organization. what do you do? Because I think what we're seeing is Joe Burrow knowing he's trapped. And there's been now counting three press conferences when he's been asked about this by Cincinnati media. Danny, they are a therapist. He's on the couch. He's like, I think about a lot of things.

I think we are watching the greatest American football player who's in an awful situation in Cincinnati. And I feel absolutely, I know he's rich. I feel horrible. him. Yeah. I, you know, so he, you know, obviously he was asked about that this week and he said it has nothing to do with Cincinnati. Hard to believe him. Somebody said, do you think about leaving or something? Do you think? And he said, I think about a lot of things. And I thought that was the best answer where I hate it here, but I don't want to throw my teammates or my coaches under the bus. So I think it's hard. We do it all of the time. And So sometimes like when these things get clipped, I'm like, is the, is the player going to see it?

Who the hell does this guy think he is to psychoanalyze me? So like, I know your people won't do that, but just we're having a good conversation. I think people will listen to it in its entirety and take it there. Joe Burrow strikes me as someone. And he has said things around this. He strikes me as someone who loves football, but does not love the things that come with football. football. You don't see Joe Burrow in a lot of commercials. I don't think Joe Burrow likes fame, which is totally understandable. You just said, rich and famous, try rich. It's probably enough for you,

right? But like Patrick Mahomes clearly is okay with being famous. Clearly, he's in a ton of commercials. He sits courtside at games. He shows up at celebrity golf tournaments. Like, he's very comfortable being famous. Josh Allen, same thing. Caleb Williams. Same thing. Justin Herbert, a very introverted guy, does not like it. Is dating a model, influencer, singer, song, or whatever Madison Beer is. And she's all of those things according to her Wikipedia page. He's clearly like getting used to it or trying to because of the woman that he. When I had Justin Herbert on this year, the Chargers said they got calls from even their own employees going, Justin's on television.

Right. Hides from the media. And he's like, well, he's listened to Colin when he was a kid, blah, blah, blah. But the point being is Justin literally, it's not anti-media. He just, he's embarrassed by being front and center above his teammates. He's that kind of guy. Sure. Okay.

And so that's like a football thing. But, you know, Joe Burrow, he did that the Netflix quarterback thing. And I watched it. And he's interesting. He's thoughtful. He's very close with his parents. He's genuinely into fashion. He tried to buy the Batmobile.

Then he had to return it. He likes, I think he liked Pokemon cards and video games. He seems like a kid, like a big kid who got rich and he's having to be really good at football. And then you remember the story about his home invasion? He's one of those athletes who they were on the, on the road, house got broken. into what got stolen kind of got reported who was there you know got got reported and he talked about it being like a felt very violated huge invasion of privacy and like both like the literal invasion of his home but then also the reporting around it and what was revealed about his

personal life and who he was dating that he didn't want revealed i again literally no insight into it but just how he handled that press conference after the burglary at his house I wonder how much that's sticking with him of just like, man, is this? I'm, I'm injured. I've been injured multiple times. So I'm spending a lot more time rehabbing than playing football. I'm losing. We are losing.

And the cost of this is coming at like a real expense to like. Especially at he's in Ohio. You can't, you can hide in L.A. You can't hide when you're an Ohio boy playing for the Bengals. Right. Because I've seen some people be like, oh, he doesn't like. oh, he doesn't like fame. Look at how he dresses.

I'm like, I don't know. The Netflix thing made it seem like he's just like genuinely interested in fashion, which is a totally reasonable thing for people to be interested in. And you have money and access to what. So like I just, I think he hates fame. He hates being injured,

obviously. He hates losing. And so where I, my guess is where that, he's like, I don't dislike Cincinnati. I've been in a Super Bowl. I've played for,

I've played for another Super Bowl. I have won here. But, is Cincinnati doing all the things on the margins to allow him to win? You know, like if they, if they were a small market team that operated like the Green Bay Packers or the Kansas City Chiefs or whatever, like I think he would be totally fine with it. This is Tom, Tom Brady was like this in New England. Tom was taking pay cuts and going, where are all my receivers?

Right. Right. So Joe Burrell's like, I'm doing all these rehabs because you can't. protect me. Right. So I think Brady felt like at the end, he chose Tampa because of Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, all bring gronk. Like they had three tied ends.

I think Joe and Tom are like, and Tom won all the Super Bowls, but at the end, Tom was frustrated. I'm not respected. We have no wide receivers that can get open. I'm taking pay cuts. Where are the playmakers around me? And I think Joe's like, you won't. Protect me. I'm the car. That's the insurance policy. You won't pay the policy known as the O line.

Yeah. And so I just wonder, I obviously hope Joe Burrow doesn't retire. Like he, you know, I, and Diana Rossini reported that people are taking that too far with the Andrew Luck comparisons. I hope she's, I hope she's right. But if he's fallen out of love with football because of the physical toll it's taken on his body and the toll it's taken on his like, mental health and like the price of fame, then anything's possible, you know? But I would say also just like, that's one thought. Other thought, if you're right and it's man, he's tired of the Bengals,

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Okay. No, but I'm saying is, I was like, yeah, no shit. And that's a college quarterback that's unproven. Burrow here, if Burrow had no injuries, three, first, first round picks, two, twos, one, three, and all I need back is a backup. All I need back is a player. I mean, again, what I think Nick Wright once said this. Like, we have undervalued how much a great quarterback is worth. If Mendoza is as good as I think he's going to be. Yeah. Okay. Is four first round picks unreasonable? No, you mentioned Nick, again, and obviously he's a connective tissue between the two of us,

but maybe my favorite Nick take ever was he said is that he said I would trade for Aaron Rogers and I know it's against league rules because it's capped on the number

of picks you could take but I would trade Aaron Rogers and the trade would be you can have all of my first round picks for as long as he's on the team. Like if he's on my team

for nine years it's nine first round picks if he's on my team for six years it's six first round pick that is a great take it's just it's beautifully constructed. Well, and it's like what's funny is, so the Packers have lost Tucker Kraft, great. Michael Parsons, great. Kenny Clark, run stopper, and Christian Watson, their deep ball specialist.

Well, Zach Tom, their right tackle. He had the knee injury. Yeah, he's really good too. And yet this weekend, they're favored over Chicago. If all of those players were still there and Jordan Love was out, you'd be like, Bears in a blowout. Like, yeah. So when you, Nick, Nick Wright's take is that there is no, there is no, the value is, it's, it's the old commercial. It's priceless. Is that if Jordan Love got hurt and you still had Micah and Kraft and Watson and Kenny Clark, season's over.

Yeah, I mean, right. We see it. And listen, you and I gamble enough, we, you see it in the point spread. Sometimes when Kyler's out and Jacoby Brissets him, there's, you. no movement in the points spread. Other times when, all the times when Lamar Jackson's out, it's like, oh, that's 10 points on the point spread. Like, oh, okay, now I know the difference between Lamar Jackson and Kyler Murray. It's significant. You know what I mean? Like, and so, yeah, there are, there are some of those

guys that are true, crazy difference making level players, and you do anything to get him. Yeah, I think Mendoza is about as good a prospect as you're going to get. I mean, Humble. Oh, I think he's. So, and the other thing is I talked to an NFL coach about him. I said, this person may need a quarterback, but won't be able to get Mendoza who will go number one. He won't have, he won't be able to move up. And he said, he's also such an easy player to scout because Indiana runs pro concepts. So you will know watching his college film, the throw Rosie Cannon cannot make. He goes, he's such an easy, and this is a very good coach who may draft a quarterback in the next two or three years, may not. It's not urgent. But his take was easy guy to

comp. He said these big 12 guys like Mahomes, you knew he was talented, but you're like, what in the hell is that offense? Yeah, sure. He goes, Mendoza's like, they run pros concepts. You will know. He goes, it's one day I watch it in film. You're like, oh, yeah, you can make that, throw that, throw that, throw that, throw the audible out of that, throw he goes, he's the easiest guy to scout ever. What? So I haven't done the full deep dive on him yet. You've watched more of them, so I'll defer to you for now on it.

But how would you comp that to J.J. McCarthy? Well, he's a bigger athlete. But I'm not. But wasn't the thing on McCarthy? Like, yeah, he doesn't have the most past attempts, but pro-style winner, great leader, people love him, all of those things? Well, he also had Jim Harbaugh, the best off. defensive line in the country, the best defense in the country, and they ran a half with no throws.

He was never really asked. They won almost every game in a blowout. Now, Indiana, this year's been blowing people out like Illinois. But, you know, I think, remember, Mendoza was a cow. And then Mendoza goes to Indiana. And so I think the feeling on Mendoza is, compared to J.J. McCarthy, better traits, better arm, bigger guy, incredibly humble, neat stories. his parents, neat, easy to embrace story. And I think Michigan was not as pro as you think. It was very run heavy. Indiana, I mean, that Ohio State and that Penn State, those games, like, guys, we need to score.

We need to sling it. This last drive means everything. And you're going up against Ohio State secondary. Caleb Downs is going to be the first seven players taken. Yeah, he's ridiculous. So you're watching pro concepts, pro guy, Indiana's got some pro players, Ohio State secondaries, all pro players. It's like, that's easy film to digest and go, that's a great player.

I felt like in the J.J. McCarthy, when people asked about J.J. McCarthy, they gave my least favorite answer. He's a winner. Right. What does that mean? Every Florida quarterback Spurrier had was a winner because it was Steve Spurier and he was eight years ahead of everybody else in the SEC offensively. So I think Mendoza is one of the better, easier guys to preview we've seen. So that's really interesting.

I'm trying to think like, like Trevor Lawrence as a prospect was like, okay, like make all the throws, win. Clemson didn't run. Clemson's a very, it's more college than pro. Yeah. Dabo is very much a college coach. Oh, no kidding. Whereas Signetti, if he was 10 years younger, could get an NFL job.

But he's a college guy. He loves college. And he's in his 60s. If Signetti was 52, he'd get, you know, he'd get NFL calls. Absolutely. I think, you know what I think he is? He's a much better version of Brian Kelly. Less history.

I'm just trying, I'm going back through my head of like the best college prospects that, you know, like Burrow at LSU the year before, before Trevor, I mean, hard thing for him. Burrow was average as a junior and the LSU team may have been the most talented college team in the history of the sport. So you're like, but I was just going to say, yeah, everybody liked him, but it was like, yeah, his receivers are better than the Patriots now in college, right? Right. I, uh, so my, my wife went to Clemson, and so she got me into Clemson football, like starting in Deshawn Watson's freshman year. And basically for the Deshawn Watson Trevor Lawrence era, the best era of Clemson football ever,

we watch basically every game. And I'd say the worst sports bet I've ever made is Clemson LSU in the title game. It's like, yeah, I'm just going to bet against Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, and Clyde Edwards, O'Air in a dome in Louisiana. This was a mistake. It was a mistake. They scored on every possession. He was like against Clunson for the title.

It's like, oh, do you ever? They're really good. Like I would maybe a little bit of a homer on that one. When I lose, last week I was two and three, but I really felt I was on the right side of Carolina. I thought I had a touchdown lead, two minutes left. I thought it was bad coaching by Dave Canales. Let's give on a fourth down, the ball to the least skilled offensive player we have the fullback. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jesus. I mean, Bryce Young runs well. He's clever. He's creative. He's slippery. Give him the ball. Let him try to get a yard. Yeah. So, but do you ever make a bet? You'd say it's a worst bet. About three or four times a year, I'll make a bet. And I know instantly, I didn't think about that. Like, for instance, Miami beat the Jets. And the thing was over in four minutes. And I'm like, oh, wait a minute. Mike McDaniel is coaching for his job. His staff is coaching for their job. jobs. You can tell their game plan was clever. They were into it. They had huge juice and energy. It's like they looked like they were in a playoff game. And the Jets are like, well, we'd need a better draft pick. Nobody's getting fired here. So that's a game I knew eight minutes. I'm like, I just picked the wrong. I didn't think about that. Yeah, all the, of course, all the time. I thought you were going to go the other way because this is the one that I do all of the time that Nick hates.

I'm like, well, I lost that bet, but I was on the right. side. I say that all the time. All the time. I'm like, I'm happy. I'm fine. Not happy. I'm fine to lose that bet because I know I was, I handicapped it correct.

Bad luck. Carolina was the pick. Revenge spot, extra rest. They were the pick last week. Yeah. And then the other thing that I do with gambling that I need to get over, but I just, I, I hold grudges. I love survivor contests.

I've never won one. I could probably buy. like a BMW with every dollar I've lost in Survivor over my career doing it. I could probably have a much nicer car than I do right now, or at least least least one. But this year, me and a couple of buddies who gamble together, we did an entry in like a super survivor where it's a $5,000 entry into a survival. Yeah, massive, massive, massive size. Like, you know, literally seven figure payout type thing, not a ton of entrance. And so me and a couple of guys, real sharp people, huge NFL guys, gamblers, money, people, numbers, all the thing.

And I obviously have a percentage of it. And we got eliminated on the Falcons against the Panthers. This was taking Atlanta, this was earlier in the year before we knew that Carolina was actually legit this year. And Carolina won 30 to zero. And we're on Atlanta. And I'm like, I made up pledge. It's like, I'll never bet Atlanta the rest of the year. I won't do it.

I'm like, I refuse. They haven't been in a show pick. They haven't been in other survivor contests. I will bet against them. And then when I bet against them, they cover. I'm like, the Atlanta Falcons this year are my least favorite team in football by so far because of that survivor pick. And I know that I shouldn't be admitting that bias.

But I'm like, I hold a grudge against you. This has been. I don't like them. This has been a running joke in my show for years. The Atlanta Falcons are an ATM machine. The opposite. I only give money to it. They're the Bermuda Triangle of the NFL for me.

All I do is get audited and pay write checks. I don't think I could not tell you the last time I won on the Atlanta Falcons. They're the weirdest franchise in the league. Weird. It's just, it's insane. And then they go on Thursday and be. Baker Mayfield in Tampa. Yeah, of course they did.

And Kyle Pitts had, Best game as a pro. Best game as a pro by far in week one of the fantasy playoffs, three weeks before it's contract time for Kyle Pitts. Like, well, what do you do with that? Because he looked like a combination of like Ozzie Newsom and Tony Gonzalez. And he's like, oh, okay, well, I guess you're awesome, but maybe you're not. I have no idea what the hell's going on.

Yeah, all I will say, though, Bejohn is great. Bejohn's not tough to scout. He is he is Falcons proof. It's like, oh, that guy is one of the best players in the NFL. Like I know the NFL top 100 list is super flawed and biased and all of that. I'm like, but that guy, if he showed up in the top 10 on next year's list, I'd be like, yeah, I got no problem with it. He is. Yeah, I had a GM tell me it was he said he's the cleanest running back.

He's taken since Ladanian Tomlinson, he said, doesn't fumble. Great kid. great locker room can catch, can block, can run. It seemed like he got into a pissing match with Arthur Smith, his rookie year. Like, he just stopped using him. But, no, it's, yeah, Bijon's great. And for a long time, there was don't take a running back in the first round. And there's been some misses with Christian McCaffrey and Bejohn and Seek.

It's like this kid for Notre Dame, Jeremiah Love, yeah, that he's, that's a first round player. Yeah, you know, and I think. I think it's gone a little bit. The names that we just mentioned, Jemir Gibbs included, are our reasons to do it. But also like, because the rookie,

you know, the number one pick's not getting $60 million anymore, like Jamarcus Russell, like it got slotted down, that if it, that any player who hits on a first round contract is a huge value. Now,

a quarterback that hits is more valuable, a left tackle who hits is more valuable, relative to like, what they get paid. But it's, you get the fifth year option on first round picks. And you don't want running backs in their late 20s, early 30s traditionally. Some guys are starting to break that mold. But running back is a young man's game. So especially at the end of the first round when the contract's really cheap. Like we saw the chiefs do it with Clyde Edwards O'Lear. Didn't work out. But I totally supported the logic. I think the Patriots did it with Sony Michelle one year.

Again, didn't really work out. But like, end of the first round, talented running back, who you can execute the fifth year option on if he works out. And so you have him for his age like 23 through 28 season. I actually think that's like a really sharp franchise move to make. I agree. Danny Parkins is always, buddy, great chatting. Yeah, this was fun.

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