The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast - Best of Colin & Nick Wright: Buss Family Sells Lakers, Baker Mayfield Deserves More Love, Are Chiefs “America’s Team”?

Episode Date: July 9, 2025

Colin’s best banter with Nick Wright on the Colin Cowherd Podcast! They start by reacting to the Lakers being sold by the Buss family and why it will be GOOD for the team (3:00, and what the $10 billion dollar valuation means for NFL franchises (12:00).  They explain why Baker Mayfield is underrated and why Jordan Love is overrated (15:00), debate whether the Chiefs have displaced the Cowboys as “America’s Team” (26:00), and break down why the Dolphins will struggle in the postseason (30:00) Finally, they offer theories on why Draymond Green doesn’t seemingly bother refs the way Luka Doncic does (37:30) and why the George Pickens experiment in Dallas won’t work (42:00) (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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in the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. The Lakers just sold for a $10 billion evaluation, which I believe for a long time, Nick, all these sports franchises are undervalued. Whenever they say, you know, the Cowboys are worth $7 billion, My take is if somebody in Saudi Arabia had a good month with oil, they buy them for $13 billion because you don't know if Google is going to be around in 20 years or Microsoft. You know the Dallas Cowboys are going to be around in 20 years.

In fact, I remember reading a story years and years ago. They went back to like 1980 and they took the 30 leading companies on the Dow Jones. And 25 years later, only one was still like a really, it was like Chevron or something. And so my point is, the Mark Walters group is the Dodger owner. It's a really good group, and it does make me think, okay, the mom and pop Lakers are over. Because that's been the big knock in L.A. is that, I mean, people forget. Dan Gilbert could buy the bus family four times. They've been one of the poorest NBA ownership groups.

Correct. And one of the poorest from a net worth perspective. And I would argue that they have been. one of the more poorly run organizations in the league. And I know that's weird because they have the second most championships, and they just got Luca and LeBron went there. But I think that they have squandered a lot of opportunities. I think that since Dr. Bus passed,

there are very few things you can say the Lakers do top notch in the league. And while they have been, you know, willing to spend, I think they've, you know, last decade, they've spent like the seventh most money. They should be, they, the seventh most for Los Angeles Lakers is not maximizing the market and the brand. I understand it's not baseball. So there is a cap like, and in the new NBA with the aprons, just spending recklessly can really hamstring you. But this is a massive net positive for the Los Angeles Lakers, for their fans, in my opinion.

You should not have. they're in a weird spot where similar to the Cowboys where ownership's primary source of income is the team. And that's one of the reasons I think the Cowboys don't necessarily spend the way they should. And that's how I felt about the Lakers. So listen, I don't know much about Mark Walters. I know that he bought 26% of the team from, I think, Anshutes or whomever, with the guarantee.

Part of that was, if the buses sell, I get the first. opportunity, and now he's in. Now, I agree with you. Historically, sports franchises have been undervalued. I wonder if we are now getting to wear 10 billions, $10 billion, kind of like, that's a lot of money. Well, think about this. Yeah. The Celtics sold for $6 billion. The GDP of Boston, the gross domestic product is 600 million annually. It's a trillion in Los Angeles. The Los Angeles economy would be the 20th biggest economy in the world, meaning it would be bigger than about 185 countries. And they own the Lakers own their arena. So that's an important. So like you just, if the arena's worth $2 billion, given where it is in the real estate and whatever, so now it's not

six versus 10. It's six versus eight. And you take the fact that Elton, L.A. is a bigger market and, you know, as much as this will pain our buddy Bill Simmons, the Lakers are the biggest brand in basketball. Listen, the Celtics were in the finals two years ago. It didn't get a good rating. It didn't get a number. Right. I mean, when the Lakers are in the final, regardless of who the star is, it generally gets a much bigger rating.

Yes, it's also true. The Lakers have never been in the finals without one of the biggest stars in the league. There's not a lot of like, oh, that Lakers time, they made the fire. finals with that scrappy underachieving team. No, it's LeBron or Kobe or Shack or Magic or Kareem or Will, but still your point stands. Yeah, no, they are, this is a fun one because you did your Mount, what was it, Mount Crushmore? Mount Just more.

Just more, because they're just more than everyone else. If we were to do, God, this is, this is corny and make funnable content. it also, I'm sure, will crush on TikTok or something. If we were to do the Mount Rushmore franchises in American sports, four, to me, there are three no-brainers, and then people would argue about the four, fourth, but the three no-brainers are the New York Yankees, the Dallas Cowboys, and the Los Angeles Lakers. Those to me, do you think I'm missing anything there? I think those are the three brands that are truly every corner of the world.

There, you know, somebody's walking around wearing a t-shirt, even if they've never heard of the team. Yeah. I think I will say this. I think the L.A. Dodgers, because of the Walters group, perfect spring, summer, fall weather. Otani now is,

you know, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday Dodger games are now an event. There are fans from the Pacific Rim every home game. Road attendance for the Dodgers is number one in the league. They played the Yankees. I think it was last year. It felt like 25% of the crowd was Dodger fans.

They travel incredibly well. I think the Dodgers over the last last eight since they've been purchased from the Mark Walters group, I think they have become, and I mean this, I think they're a step ahead of the Yankees. They don't have all the pennants. They don't have all the titles. But this ownership group is much more, it's got deeper pockets. It's more aggressive.

I mean, the way they are pushing contracts down the road, they are a revolutionary franchise. But they're not a bigger brand than the. New York Yankees. I think they're getting close. I think Otani changes it. I really do. If the idea is like Otani brings in a whole similar to, I understand, one's Japanese and I think he brings in the Pacific Rim.

Yeah, like what Yao Ming did for the Houston Rockets where all of a sudden it's like you have this whole new market. But if, so the, because I really, the, maybe eventually the Dodgers get there. If it's Yankees, Cowboys, Lakers is the three. the teams across sports competing for that fourth spot. Dodgers definitely are in the contention. The Celtics are the Warriors? No, probably not because the Warriors are like the Chiefs

in that it's the supernova of the moment in Mahomes or Steph Curry, but they don't have a history to where they're this big brand. So do you think the Dodgers now have surpassed the Cubs as the second biggest brand? In baseball. Yes. Okay. Yes.

Because again, remember, Chicago wanted the Olympics. Why couldn't they get them? Because they were not considered a global city. They were considered maybe our, like Chicago is one best North American city seven years in a row from Condé Nas. Architecture. It's an unbelievable city. But it's not viewed as an international city. Sure.

D.C., San Francisco, L.A., New York. Boston similarly is not necessarily. is not necessarily seen. It's seen as kind of provincial, provincial, parochial. So I think they've surpassed. And the Cubs, the Ricketts family, which, by the way, they live about five minutes from where I'm sitting right now, they are, it seats 36,000. Their revenues just don't, they're not close.

They're just not close anymore. So, and I think the Cubs are historic and they matter domestically, but I don't think they pull. That might be right. And it also might be a lot of the benefit of the Cubs, when a, or benefits the wrong word, but brand recognition, for lack of better term, of the Cubs, had to do with, if you're a millennial,

when you were growing up with, like, basic cable, for some reason, you got the Cubs games because of WGN, so you could, like, watch your team and the Cubs. And so they had that. And now people can watch whatever. teams they want. I just saw the who who do you sorry for this slight detour, but after the Cowboys, what do you think the biggest brand in football is? Like I, I hesitate that in the moment it's obviously the Chiefs, but you wonder like if Mahomes retired, like then the Chiefs

for everyone. But here's an interesting story. Nobody cares. If you if you bought the Chiefs today, well, you would have to consider Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes part of the buy. Yes. So this idea, Well, the brand. What is the brand? Right now, Jerry Jones is 80. They're dysfunctional. Their roster's bad. There's value to it. But Kansas City's got the best quarterback in the league for the next 10 years. So, I mean, when LeBron James went from the Miami Heat back to Dan Gilbert and Cleveland, I talked to somebody in that equity space. He said that was a $400 million day for Dan Gilbert. The Cavs without LeBron, even with everything. Evan Mobley and Donovan Mitchell. LeBron changed the, it was a paradigm shift economically for Cleveland. Literally, Ken Griffey saved baseball in Seattle. LeBron James changed the economy. Taylor Swift's tour, a give you an example, made $2.1 billion, sold 10 million tickets.

That is double the next biggest tour ever. Okay. So it's only big because of one reason, the artist. So if you count, I mean, let's be honest, if you bought a soccer franchise 10 years ago and Ronaldo had an eight-year contract, it would make it worth half a billion dollars more. So I think the Chiefs with Mahomes, that adds, to me, that adds half a, somewhere between $500 billion and a billion dollars. They go from $6 billion to $7 because of Mahomes. Well, so that's the other piece of this. The other piece of this is if the most valuable team in the NBA is now worth $10.

$10 billion. What is the most valuable team in the NFL worth? Is it $15 billion? Like, honestly, like, what is, if this is the new, because you can't tell, like, as much as, as big of a brain as the Lakers are, and I understand the NBA's new TV deal, I get all that.

There is nothing that is the machine that is the NFL. So if the lake, if we now have Lakers 10 billion, Celtics, 6 billion, you know, as the, than the, if, forget the Cowboys. I'm trying to think of a good, you know, a good, if the San Francisco 49ers were for sale, are they a $10 billion franchise? I'll give you, I'll give you one that is undervalued.

Stan Cronky owns SoFi Stadium. Well, yeah, owning the stadium is a big thing. So if you bought the Rams. So you get the state. I get SoFi Stadium, which can house a hundred concerts a year. Yeah. And the Chargers and the Rams. So you have to consider that when you buy the Rams.

So I would say in the number two market in the country, I get Sean McVeigh. I get a well-run operation. I get SoFi. I'm sorry, but that's over $10 billion. It's got it. It just has to be. Now that the Lakers are worth 10, the biggest NFL brands have to be worth. worth more. Somebody once in the last year asked Baker Mayfield about me and blah, blah, blah,

and he said, well, we're frenemies. And I think Baker knows I like him and respect him. And he's always been nice to me. He said nice things publicly. You had to take the other day that he's actually, he was over-discussed when he was in Cleveland. He's now under-discussed. And it's funny because I think Baker's better than Dak. He's better than Tua. He's better than Gino. He's better than Aaron. He's better than Russell. He's better than cousins. I think he and Donald are very similar that they can be mistake prone, but they can plan it and they're real players. 40 touchdowns last year. He's been really good. Go ahead. Yeah, no, Baker is a prime example. You see this a lot in the NBA,

where a guy comes in and just needs the mature, Aunt Edwards. In the NFL, generally, maturity's not the issue. It's you either have it or you don't. Baker was the rare, a lot of testosterone, a lot of confidence. And I felt like, can somebody turn the governor down just a little. He was Johnny Mansell, but more likable and with actual talent. He could really throw a football. But I think Baker is the rare NFL player and quarterback. You're like, one of the talents inarguable. He's just got to turn the governor down. Cleveland was not built for Baker. You go to a great GM, a talented roster in Tampa, which is, by the way, below the radar. It's in the NFC South, which is a low-profile division. Baker now is absolutely,

underdiscust. He is a really good NFL quarterback. I don't think that's disputable. I think it's hard to make a top 10 and not include him. And then when you add to the fact that he makes around 60% of what the other guys in that top 10 make, his value is massive. For a guy who dealt with injuries during, in his time in Cleveland, he's incredibly durable. Yeah. His teammates love him, and he now has back-to-back years of really high productivity. A playoff quarterback win the division. Again, 40 touchdowns last year. And so, yeah, I think that because he was talked about so much when he wasn't yet that good,

I think people got, I don't know if numbs the right word, but they were just kind of got over him. Right. And now that he is, I think, really good. People are just like, okay, yeah, that's Baker. Like, he's a, people I think boxed him in. He's a good story. Yeah. And that is true.

But he's more than that at this point. At this point, like, do I, this is, you know, a third rail for some. Do I think he's better than Brock Bertie? I do. So do what? Would I rather have, like, and so you said Dak Prescott. I think that's close. I think that there is, there are a lot of quarterbacks that, like, I'll give you a great example.

Now this guy's young and we'll see, but he makes a lot of money. I think he's pretty clearly better than Jordan Love. And I think that Jordan Love is discussed like he is, you know, I have to see about. It's interesting. So I was really not anti-Jordan Love, but I said for two years, there is more footage of Bigfoot than Jordan Love. They're hiding him for a reason. Then he came out and he was kind of sensational and I really bought into him. And then it's as if the league defensive coordinators got all this footage and they found holes. And at the end of last year, you're like,

oh, people have caught on to him. This is, now it would be a sophomore slump for anybody else, but he was like in his fourth year. Fifth year. Yeah. And so I want to see him. So now it's like an NBA playoff series. Like you get worked, then you change things. And there's stages and coaching, you know, adaptations to a playoff series. Adjustment. Yep. Yeah.

So now I've seen Jordan shock the league. Now I've seen people react and he struggles. Now I want to see his next hand with Matt LaFleur. That's why they drafted to meet a receiver in the first round because they're like, listen, he may need a little more help than we think here. So I'm not sure Baker's better. I think Jordan's got a hell of a whip and he's a really good athlete. But he's one of the last quarterbacks in this league, Jordan Love.

I'm not sure. I know who's bad. I know who's good. I know who's pretty good. Jordan Love is the last. I'm not really sure what he is in the league to me. Nothing says summer like long days, clutch plays and firing off a few bets on a game. All of it.

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and the Niners are also big and the Packers. But I think after this year when Dallas wins five to six games, because I think they have the worst probably head coach in the league, arguably. Good court. I think he was an average coordinator. I think he's more, I mean, certainly the most unproven and the oddest higher. Yeah. So my take is Dallas will be the fourth most watched team in the league after this year.

Now, Fox may, because of Fox promotion and marketing ability and production values, We may be able to prop up the cowboys. Juice it. Yeah, I mean, Fox just does it. Fox gives you like, if you give Fox baseball, it just is better than other networks doing baseball. Fox is really good at Eric Shanks lived in a truck. That's how he, your CEO, everybody has a specialty. Bodenheimer was sales.

When I was at ESPN, ESPN could monetize anything, anything. Shanks grew up in a truck. So our production values are sensational. They always have been. I mean, I said this a couple years ago, the five to six hour live Super Bowls, from opening moment the pregame show starts to the end, they're majestic. They're like, as good as American television gets for live five hours. So I think Fox may prop the Cowboys up, but if you put them on another network,

they wouldn't resonate as much. But they're not a fun team. DAC is a boring player, a second lower body injury. He's not hyperathletic. He doesn't have a big arm. They have a couple of interesting receivers. They're not fun to watch. Philadelphia is fun to watch.

Detroit's fun to watch. Buffalo, Kansas City. There's some teams in this league that I, I mean, like when the receivers are healthy, Houston's fun to watch. When the receivers are healthy. Cincinnati's fun to watch. But, no, I think Kansas City is actually America's team. Absolutely.

I don't think there's any question. And I would say, yeah, I would say Buffalo to me feels like number two. Oh, listen, I think Buffalo is probably the team people, the team neutral fans root for the most. Yeah. Because I think people, they look at Buffalo, not as an underdog, but like, man, they got to get over at some point. And Josh Allen is so likable. And the chiefs have kind of become like villains, you know, to a degree, all that. But yeah, I just think, I think the team that is the biggest draw on the most interesting is the chiefs.

And that the reason I even asked it is it just speaks to the power of the NFL that the most popular or most interesting team in the biggest league in the country can be from Kansas City, Missouri. You know what I mean? Like that it isn't, it doesn't have to be. Think about this. Think about this. Here's the six biggest brands in the NFL arguably now. Kansas City, Buffalo, Baltimore, Green Bay. The Celtics approach of being like, we are going to play the fourth quarter of a playoff game.

The exact style we would play the first quarter of a February game is just, that's not staying true to who you are. That's being ridiculous. That would be as if in the chiefs at their heyday of the, when Tyreek was there, and everything, when they were just high flying and didn't have a good defense. When they were up 10 in the fourth quarter of a playoff game, they're like, bombs away, this is what we do. That's not, that's not smart. That's not staying true to who you are.

That's why when the Miami Dolphins have Jalen Waddle and Tyree kill, that works in September and October, but as the weather gets windy and cold and the all-the-best AFC teams playing lousy weather, what you really need to do, and this is a little bit of a flaw with Mike McDaniels, is what you really need to do is start to change your offense about Thanksgiving because you're going to have to go to Baltimore, Cincinnati, Kansas City, Buffalo. And so what happens is it, this is what we do. We throw it down field. Will you have a small, modest armed quarterback, and you're still trying, and then you try to pivot to,

no, it's too late. And so it was always funny watching the dolphins, and I'm like, guys, you're falling in love with September and October football. This stuff works then. The NFL, think about this. Name the last dome dynasty in the NFL. Name the last warm weather dynasty.

They don't exist. Marino never want to ring. Right. Because eventually, you become a very warm weather offense. The chargers with Dan Fouts were electric. No trophy. So this is a sneaky,

important thing. And this is just random luck of the moment as far as who's good. Because you're exactly right that the AFC, all the excellent teams are outdoor shitty weather. So like, and I think that

oddly, likely, works against the Houston Texans ability to compete for championships in that they're not going, unless they get home field advantage throughout a playoffs, they're just not going to be conditioned, playing in the AFC South and playing in a dome. The NFC is the opposite, and it is such a unique potential edge Philadelphia has. So if you're the Eagles, yep. and for the time being, now maybe Washington will get great. They were really good last year.

And maybe the Giants will get great. Maybe the Bears will get great. Maybe the Packers will get great. So this all can change. But for the time being, for the Eagles last few years, they- Rams, Detroit, San Francisco, Dallas, whoever wins the South, Tampa. So they are in a spot where if we can get home field, whoever's coming here

ain't built for this shit right so like in the AFC home field matters a little less for the chiefs Bill's Ravens Cincinnati

because it's like all right no matter what this is going to be a pain in the ass tough like we're all we're all built our teams knowing that

the NFC it's just how it turned where the lions are in a dome and the Rams have so that can change but for the time being, it makes it to where for Philadelphia specifically, home field advantage is wildly valuable, wildly valuable.

So I want to throw something out here. It's I want to go back to the NBA and Draymond Green, obviously, part of the volume. And, you know, there's certainly an argument. I think he's the best defensive player ever. I mean, his ability to take Shangoon out of games to give, I mean, to give, to give, to give, Janus, massive problems. Now, to give you the greatness of Yokic, he just waves the white flag on Yokic. It's like, I can't do anything. Either could Anthony Davis, by the way, Anthony would hold him to 28. And Anthony was like, I played really good. And he did. So, I mean, Yokic is, I mean,

Dremon gives Yonis issues. He gives everybody issues. But one of the brilliant things about Dremon, and I think it's purposeful and intentional. He moves the line. So it's almost like if you're a parent. You don't want to yell at your kids all the time. So the kid that's a little inappropriate is constantly, consciously or subconsciously, testing his parents what he can get away with. And at some time, at some point, you as a parent will be harder on the good-natured, well-behaved kid. Of course. Who infrequently makes a mistake than the kid that's always in trouble. When I watched Draymond played. Mike Green pointed this out. Draymond has moved the line that he did something the other night where people on the air were defending him and I'm like, nobody would get away.

It's insane. And so I've said this for a long time. So listen, Draymond and I have a very relationship is not even the right word, but it's complicated because I am very tight with a number of people who love Draymond Green, who swear by Draymond Green, who and Draymond does not, you know, have an affinity for me. And I have been critical of him in the past. But everyone, people whose opinion I really trust and value say off the court, one of the best dudes ever. So it's a weird dynamic there.

simultaneously, I have said that I thought he should have won three straight defensive player of the year awards back when Kauai won two of them. And I do think he is one of the most brilliant defensive players of all time. And I'm on the record that I thought he, not Clay, was the second most important person of the pre-KD Warriors. So all that's there. Totally agree. Here is the other piece of it.

There is no player in NBA history. who is given more leeway than, and this is an important qualifier, Draymond Green after getting one technical. Sometimes I think the warriors are their most dangerous if Draymond gets a technical early. And I know Draymond is his most devastating defensively when he has five fouls. Because if Draymond gets to five fouls, he does not foul out at six. He fouls out at nine. He gets three more off.

Damn it. Like, we're going to let it go. And Draymond, with one technical, can follow the ref up and down the court doing anything, and a ref doesn't want to throw him out. And so there is no question that the guys, The NBA refs do a, I think one of the things they need to do better about is guys who never complain get a quick trigger on texts the one time they do. And guys who always whine and yell and complain, the refs seem to turn a deaf ear to. it doesn't really feel like it applies to Luca,

because I think Luca actually really irritates the reps, because here's the difference between Luca and Dremont. Dremont is complaining or yelling about calls that go against him. Luca is yelling about calls he does not get. And for some reason, I think refs are way more bother. by what Luca does than what Dremont does. Yeah, Luca is saying, you missed it.

Right. Dremon is arguing, I didn't do it. I appreciate the effort, but you went the wrong way. Right, exactly. Dremond is saying, I'm innocent. Luca is saying you're guilty. And so the refs seem to hate Luca. And with Dremon, they're like, ah,

Dremont's being Dremont. But there is also, it's not just, it's not just on text. I'm going to tell, like, people can look up the game log and they will see it. It's a really, so Draymond right now has two flagrant foul points. Yes.

And you're suspended. That happened in 2016. You get one for a flagrant one. You get two for a flagrant two. In Warriors Rockets game seven, early on, Draymond got fouled and then swiped his hand and hit,

I think it was Fred, it would definitely, It was Fred Van Vleet. And the refs went and reviewed it. And they said foul on Fred Van Vleet and then dead ball technical on Dremont for hitting him in the face. With the justification being,

it can't be a flagrant because the play was over, technically, over by a quarter of a second, so it's a technical. The very next game played in the NBA, Yokic got foul, by Lou Dort and Yokic hit him in the head and the refs went and reviewed it and they said foul on Lou Dort flagrant on Joker and I'm like that is the exact thing that Dreyman literally the exact thing and it was a different rule interpretation and that was I know it in my bones

because the refs were aware oh shit Dremont is a if we give him this flagrant then on his next flagrant, which he is guaranteed to get at some point, he'll be suspended for a game. So let's just give him a technical. And so listen, if you can get away with it, it's smart. He can get away with it. And when Draymond, there was just a, I should have pulled it. There was an amazing graphic today. One of those little dot charts where it was players since the two minute report has

existed, players who have benefited the most. And it was like Mahomes, one of the NFL quarterback charts, like, where there's like a whole bunch of dots here on this line, and then right here's Mahomes through five years or whatever, where he breaks the chart. It was Draymond that not a, by three standard deviations, no player has had more calls where the two minute report says, yeah, that should have been a foul on them and we missed it. Then Draymo.

So he has mind melded the rafts into, I'm such a great defender. I probably didn't foul him and gets away with all of it. And I give him credit because it's the only way to, the only way a guy with his shooting ability, his height, his limited athleticism could become a first ballot hall of famer is playing this way.

And he did it. He's done it. Finally, you got to bless Dallas Cowboy fans' heart. They're so excited for George Pickens, and I was saying this today. When Kyle Shanahan said, I can't make Trey Lance work. I made Matt Shob a pro bowler. Rock Purdy, I got him to a Super Bowl.

Garoppolo I got to a Super Bowl. I can't make Trey Lance work. And the Cowboys were like, ooh, here's a fourth round pick. Okay. When Warren Buffett says, be careful. with Bitcoin. I'm careful with Bitcoin. When Mike Tomlin says about a receiver, listen, I can't make it work. Chase Claypool, A.B. Martavius Bryant. I mean, the list goes on. Deontay Johnson. Deionte Johnson. If Mike Tomlin, who is two things, great motivator, and incredibly patient with immature players, when Mike says, yeah, guys, I'm

out. But Jerry, this is a personality trait. Jerry loves to save. He loves to give people jobs that need him. Chan Galey, Mike McCarthy, Jason Garrett, Brian Schottenheimer. They feel like Jerry is saving that. He's giving them job that's not available. McCarthy couldn't get interviews. Parcells and Jimmy Johnson didn't need him. that wore Jimmy out. Dak Prescott, fourth round. He loves, hey, Tony Romo, undrafted. Cowboys never draft quarterbacks in the first round. They don't need Jerry.

So when he goes and gets George Pickens, the reputation is out. Basically, Tomlin, I'm out. Jerry's like, I'm here. I'll make it work. I think this is Jerry's wildcatting oil days, where he would have hunt for gems. And I think that is literally his mindset with coaches and sometimes draft picks and players is that he feels like Pickens. He's, he's the rest of the league is out. I am in. And I don't think long term. I think that's why the Cowboys are where the Cowboys are

currently in the NFL. I think that George Pickens is one of the more overrated players in the whole league. And the reason I feel that way is because I think certain football fans, this is one of my, this is one of my favorite and kind of relatively newest take, which is talent has become wildly overrated. And particularly, particularly in the NFL, obviously you need a requisite level of talent that goes without saying. However, this idea that talent is some cure-all when this guy has been a pain in the ass every step of his football life. It is why he fell on the draft.

It is why you were hearing rumors about him being available during his second year, during his third year. He was traded here. It is the, he, it's, you know, when you are. potentially trying to get a contract in the off season and your team is in the middle of a losing streak and you show up to the Christmas Day game against the Kansas City Chiefs 90 minutes before kickoff. You show up three hours before your TV show, Colin. You have 220 of them a year. He's got 17 football games and you're just not a serious person and you're not going to contribute

to winning the way your talent says you should. And so there's that. There is also the fact that trading a third round pick for a player with one year left on his contract means you probably should give him a contract extension. The only thing worse, in my opinion, than trading a third round pick for one year of George Pickens than letting him be a contract extension. free agent is giving that guy 50 million guaranteed. So the Cowboys put themselves in a position where it's no win.

Do we pay this guy early when he has never, he's never been the top 10 in the NFL of anything. He's like his career numbers are pedestrian. He's never outpaced, his production is never outpaced his targets. and he is. He quits on routes, which quarterbacks despise. And it gets a million, it gets a million problems there. So you can't pay him.

But the other thing you shouldn't do as a smart franchise is keep trading these mid-round picks for rentals. And so I, two years ago, Colin, the Chiefs ended up winning the Super Bowl. But two years ago when the Chiefs had nothing but drops everywhere. and the receivers couldn't do anything. Pickens was available then. And Wilde and Brew couldn't believe me. I was like, I don't want him. I was like, the chiefs already are on thin ice with Cadarius Tony.

Like they, you know, and they got, they got, the chiefs trade for Canarius Tony. They gave up a fifth round pick. He had three years left on his deal. And that's still, listen, he had the amazing part return of the Super Bowl, but he's still ultimately got can't get right, guys can't get right. And so I, I'm not a Pickens guy. I also think he's a somewhat overrated player. And I also think for, if Mike Tomlin had a hard time keeping him inside the lines,

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