The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast - Bill Belichick UNC Buyout? Bears-Commanders, Jared Goff A Hall of Famer?

Episode Date: October 9, 2025

Colin Cowherd is joined by 'First Things First' co-host Danny Parkins.  They start with the news that Bill Belichick & UNC could reach a buyout soon. How does this impact Belichick's legacy (2:45)?  They debate if Russell Wilson & Jared Goff will make the Pro Football Hall of Fame (13:45).  Chicago Bears are looking for revenge from last year's hail mary vs Washington Commanders, who do they like to win (31:30)?  They react to Cubs-Brewers and talk about how Chicago would handle losing to the Milwaukee Brewers in the MLB playoffs (37:00).  Finally, they give their takes on the Arizona Cardinals fining Jonathan Gannon for his altercation with a player (42:00)  and  debate using Waymo (56:00). All lines provided by hardrock.bet (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates!  #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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fan of that. But I think sometimes we look at college as this inferior product to the NFL, and in terms of, like, talent it is. But it is a really hard, um, trail to navigate. Donors, boosters, NIL, AD, NCAA. When you're an NFL coach, you have an impulsive owner, then you kind of just do what you want to do. I mean, Brett Veach is not banging down a door to tell Andy what to run on second and four. I could argue there are more landmines for a college coach than a pro coach. And I just don't think Bill at this point has the tolerance for it. That's kind of my take. He's just, he's just not built for college football.

I don't think he ever wanted to be there in the first place. I said it at the time. I was like, I'm going to be the last person who believes that this is going to actually happen. It all felt beneath him. Like, I remember when he was photographed at a chick-fil-a in Atlanta after his interview with Arthur Blank, like, that was two hiring cycles ago. And then he went and then he did all of the media.

jobs and he was hoping to get another NFL job and it never came. And so he was like, well, I guess coaching in college is better than doing media. And I'm sure for a lifelong coach, that is correct. But then you saw the buyout reports that it dipped down to just a million bucks. He was like, oh, he wants to leave open any path to get back to the NFL. He never wanted to be there in the first place. And then on top of it, the embarrassment with whatever you think about the girlfriend situation, the reporting around that, the losing. And then that's all before any of the things that you're talking about, which are, of course, totally true and valid. But like, if you didn't really want to be there

in the first place, and then you start getting mocked for being there, and then you start losing and you've got 18-year-old kids mouthing off to you, like, he has to be miserable right now. Colin. Yeah, and like Lombardi's an NFL guy. Charlie Weiss had some early success at Notre Dame, but Charlie has got kind of that gruff, Northeast personality. And that's fine. Some of those guys lived out there for 10 years. I liked a lot of guys like that. They're really bottom line. They're kind of gruff. They're kind of curt. But, you know, Carolina, the Carolinas is different. Everybody's got a little y'all. It's, you know what I mean? Like Roy Williams, Dean Smith, There's a certain sensibility to it.

And I just, it's a weird fit to me. Like, I think I've told you this before. Maybe I'm obsessed with this. But I'm always surprised when very successful, seemingly bright older men can't, aren't self-aware, like Bobby Knight. Bobby, you got to do the one and done. Everybody's doing it. You're going to get inferior players.

just too stubborn. And Bill Belichick, Bill, you can't spit on Robert Kraft. Like, he's an owner. Owners are tight. Don't. You're not going to win. It'd be like me going against the Murdox. Like, just be a good employee, work your butt off. If they do something you don't like, eat it, deal with it. You know, it's like, I just, sometimes I see these older men and they get stuck in their ways. We all know, in our 20s, you kind of have to follow in line. Maybe it's the wealth. Maybe it's the I don't give a damn. But I mean, the idea that he wouldn't let, he wouldn't like tweet Drake May, you know, stuff because he was a patriot. Like, does that, I don't know, have you ever thought about that? We've seen like the Tony LaRuces, the Belichicks, the Bobby Knights. You're like, guys, rigid

punctures brilliant. Don't do it. Yeah. I mean, Barack Obama's said it recently. I mean, and obviously he's a great orator, but he said something like 80% of the world's problems involve old men hanging on who are afraid of death and insignificance. Like, there's something to that. And we've got like an age minimum for you to be president. I'd be interested in an age maximum, uh, you know, like, like a sweet spot there for just like, you want the people who are governing on the things in our world, like it's, like, maybe impacts them. And so, yeah, I think, like, not to come across as too agist here, but because there are

clearly exceptions to the rule, but I didn't want, I wouldn't have wanted my NFL team to hire Pete Carroll. And I know you disagreed on that and you like Pete Carroll. And by all accounts, Pete Carroll is like a young mid-70s guy. Yeah, that's what I say. It was an exception. Sure. And that's fine.

And I'll, and I'll, you know better than I do. So I'll grant you that one. But like the Bears had an opening. If you told me it was Ben Johnson or Pete Carroll, I'll take Ben Johnson 11 times out of 10, even though he's not proven as a head coach and Pete Carroll is, but I'd be betting on upside. I'd be betting on ability to connect with young players.

I'd be betting on a longer runway where he could stay there. So yeah, I think that it's a real danger for a ton of people, that they just get caught in their way, they get stuck in their ways and they don't evolve. You know, there was a reporting that Bill Belichick was pitching these kids that, like, North Carolina was going to be like the 33rd NFL team. That just seems laughable now. It seems so laughable that he thought that he could just show up in Chapel Hill with inferior talent and just be a pipeline to the pros. Plug for my book, by the way.

Yeah. The, yeah, the whole thing, you know, there's an. There's a serious argument to me made. I've said this before. Men are bad at exits. We have a million pickup lines, but we break up with somebody and don't even text. We can get into wars. We can always rationalize getting into wars. We can never get out of them. Men are bad at exits. And when somebody goes through something, I put myself in that spot. I think what would I would have done? And I look when Brady retired in New England. And my take, just for selfishly, for, for legendary, for legacy preservation, I would have said, listen, I owe the crafts one year of stability. And I'm going to root for Tom Brady harder than anybody's ever rooted for a player. We'll never be the same franchise without Tom. I'm going to stay for one year to just get some stability here and get people kind of ready.

And then I'm going to retire. And Bill has kind of a walkoff here. Because if you remember, they get Cam Newton. He praised Cam Newton. Cam was past his prime, but, you know, it was okay. Here comes Mack Jones. You know, there was a real moment in time. Bill didn't need the money.

And he knew the team wasn't as good. And then he kind of stayed and stayed. In fact, I made, I said this on the air, Danny. I said, I don't think this is true. But knowing Bill's petty and grudge holding personality. go to that last draft that Bill controlled, slowest team in the league, two kickers, and three interior linemen. It was like he was saying, I'm going to leave you with an awful roster.

I mean, at one point, they drafted three guards, like two kickers, and they had no speed. And I think I really do, if you look at that last draft when Belichick knew he was in trouble, it was the decisions. Matt Patricia, offensive coordinator, it was like he wanted to humiliate. He knew his legacy was said. He wanted to humiliate the franchise. I know it sounds crazy. And I don't believe it's true, but it's not the nuttiest thing I've ever said.

Well, no, that's a high bar to clear. Yeah, I mean, he, the Patricia, the drafts, like, I think there's like a real legitimate argument to make when you look at the drafts and beyond the last one of like Bill Belichick as an evaluator of talent leaves a ton to be desired. Oh God, on the offensive side, that's kind. Right, exactly. And so he is, someone asked me earlier, like, do you think this impacts his legacy? Because you kind of hinted at that.

I don't think so. Like, I think that it's humiliating right now. This is very embarrassing. It feels beneath him. And I thought that, like I said, I said it on FS1 when I was doing breakfast ball. I was like, I don't believe that he's going to go to North Carolina because I don't believe he wants to do it. And now he's just kind of seen it through and it's clearly going horribly. But like in 20 years when we're talking about the greatest coaches of all time, he's going to be on everyone's Mount Rushmore.

Like that's his legacy is secure. We don't talk about wizards. We don't talk about Emmett Smith with the Cardinals. like this is like a of the moment thing now if you want to have the like who was more responsible for the Patriots dynasty Brady or Belichick pretty clear pretty clear even though like some of the earlier Super Bowls before Brady was really Brady those were more Belichick but like the majority of them were more Tom than Bill and then obviously Bill or Tom won the breakup with what happened in Tampa so like if you're having that

that specific legacy conversation, Brady over Belichick, I think now is going to be not a majority opinion. Like, I think it's going to be a consensus. But his greatest football coaches of your lifetime, like he's on one hand, right? If not number one. And now for our next segment, whiskey business. Yes, whiskey business brought to you by Green River Whiskey, the official whiskey of the Colin Coward podcast.

I'll throw the set ship. See if you can catch it. Name the one borderline Hall of Fame guy whose last four years eliminated from the Hall of Fame. That it did. It does subtract from his 10 great years. Well, I mean, that's the argument that Richard Sherman and Tony Gonzalez were making about Russell Wilson. Boom. Yeah.

So there's no question. Yeah. The fall is so precipitous. he got kind of weird. And it's like, Pete get out. Sean get out. Tomlin get out. Jackson Dart.

Excuse me, Russ. Like, it was, I mean, Philip Rivers had the mobility of a batting cage in Indianapolis. He could, it was the, I remember his GM, Tom Telesco saying he's the worst athlete right now in the sport. And he is unbelievable. Like, Tom loved him. He's like, people understand. He has no athletic ability. this point in his last year to two.

Like it just, he didn't have any left, right? Yeah. And he was never super mobile, but he was a big strong athlete. But his last year to two, he goes to Indianapolis, he just can't move.

Dude, he was out of this world at Indianapolis. I think they were like 11 and, uh, were they 11 and 5? He got to a playoff game in Buffalo. They played well. You,

Russell's great years get, get a little marginalized. because of Marshawn Lynch, the defense, and there was a two to three year period. It was one of the best rosters in 30 years. And then to fall off a cliff and like elite coaches, Tomlin, Peyton, yeah, like, we're not interested at all. I think it keeps Russ out.

Yeah, well, I think it's really, really hard to get into the pro football Hall of Fame. And, you know, it's a little different because like Russ is doing the same job that he was doing. Like Bill, like, went to media and then went to college, right? So it's, different, whereas, like, Russ, NFL quarterback, NFL quarterback. But there's a lot of, I mean, Philip Rivers, Eli Manning, Matthew Stafford, I saw you talk about Jared Gough. Like, in this era of passing football, it's going to be very, very, very difficult for quarterbacks to get in. what is most interesting to me about the Russ conversation, because you can make the case for him,

has the Super Bowl, had the nine or ten years of like consistent excellence. It's just clear that he is not very liked. It's weird. What does Tony Gonzalez have against Russell Wilson? You know, like, okay, Richard Sherman, maybe they didn't get along, teammates, offense, defense, riff. But like, but like, a, current Hall of Famer, like a gold jacket member saying this guy's not going to wear a gold

jacket and it's not like a steroid situation or like an ethics moral thing. What did he do? Why did he have such a strong opinion about it? I think there's just a sense that Russell's inauthent. And I think there you can literally do awful things as a pro athlete and still have the respect. I mean, there was a lot of questions about Ray Lewis's involvement with a murder. Sure. He was still respected by athletes.

You can be involved in bankruptcies and infidelity. But if guys think in the mob, if they think you're a rat, it doesn't matter if you're a big earn. You're a rat. And in pro football, if guys think you're a phony and in authentic, you're out. I think it's just a line you don't cross. And I think you're probably on it. And I know that that is just like one clip from a Thursday night football post game show that went viral that is sticking with me. But like if Richard Sherman would have said that and then Tony Gonzalez would have kind of like echoed it, I'd be like, okay.

But how does Tony Gonzalez know that Richard Scher, that Russell's funny? He wasn't in a huddle with him. He wasn't in a locker room because Russell Wilson might make the Hall of Fame. And then he would be at a room with Tony Gonzalez, and I'd imagine that would be a little awkward. So it was just, I can't really think of a comp for a current Hall of Famer campaigning against a prospective Hall of Famer ever. Unless it's a moral of the game,

because there's a million of them in baseball, but it's all steroids related. Like, it's not just like, nah, that guy's not good enough to get in. Well, it's funny because, let's say I, my marriage, I didn't have coworkers at my marriage. I had a wife, a chef, a producer, a college friend. I had a wife, an agent. I had a neighbor, you know, I had a lot of different people. My sister, family, my wife's family.

I didn't have broadcasters. Nobody thinks twice about that. But if you're an athlete and get married, especially a quarterback, and you don't have any players involved, it does feel unfairly weird. It's like if you own a restaurant and you had nobody from the restaurant at your wedding, because we know you work 80 hours a week and nobody goes to your wedding. You kind of feel like in pro sports, it's a brotherhood. They don't have any players at your way. have like one guy. And I remember reading that story and thinking, that feels odd. And I thought, well, it wouldn't be odd. I didn't have broadcasters. But broadcasters go their own separate way.

You know what I mean? Like we go in, we work, we leave. We don't hang out together. Maybe your first job in El Paso, you do. But, you know, as you move on in Chicago, you got wives and kids. But it's just one of those things that that was, because I was always a big Russ defender. And when I read that story about getting married and there weren't players there, I was like, that does feel odd. That, that's it. especially as a quarterback, you'd bring your lineman. That was the thing I was just going to say. The quarterback doesn't have friends on the team.

That can't be good. I wouldn't want to be his left tackle. Yeah, no, he's, and by the way, I've never met Russell Wilson. He's clearly a little weird. Like, he's a little different, a little eccentric, which is fine. It's just, it's surprising still to me to hear that many. those high-profile people, teammates and otherwise, speak out against him. And I'm with you.

At this point, if I had to bet on it, I'm not getting in, like, getting past, like, the first couple of rounds down to the final 15 and not getting in. Like, Canton's tough. I, you know, we've been off the last, you know, for baseball playoffs. But I saw you got to Jared Gough. You have him as a Hall of Famer. When you want to enjoy life's simpler pleasures, reach for Green River. whiskey, whether it's rye whiskey or single barrel bourbon. You're getting over a century of

craftsmanship packed into every bottle. Hop on over to greenriverwiskey.com and discover a legend in a bottle today. No, I said he will be a Hall of Fame. Absolutely. You know, since 2017. So that's going to be nine years. He's like first in passing touchdowns. First. I think people are shocked. He's had seven offensive coordinators. He was great with six. Like, like he works with everybody. And I think to me, that's always been it. It'd be one thing if we're in TV and you had this one great producer. And the rest of your career, eight shows bombed. It's like, okay, who was your partner? Who was your producer? Seven coordinators, six he's crushed. And it's like, guys, I always think Hall of Fame's are great 10 years. That's why I never understood the

Jim Rice. I know he wasn't, he was difficult with the press or something, but Jim Rice, when I was a kid, was the best right-handed American League power hitter for a decade. Like, it was just like he was one of two. He and Fred Lynn were the Red Sox. And like, people went back and forth and I'm like, what? Ten years of greatness is hard. Your peak maybe eight physical years. And so if you look at Jared Goff, he has eight great years. Well, this front office is so good. Amarron St. Brown's in his prime. The running backs, one's young, one's not that old. Penet Sewell is just entered his prime. He's going to have three to four big years with Detroit or somebody. Jared's a Hall of

Famer, and he's made no enemies. Even McVeigh feels guilty for letting him go. Which definitely seems like a very nice guy. Yeah. I mean, LaPorta and James and Williams are young. You know, so yeah, he's got plenty, plenty of young talent. The numbers are ridiculous. The only thing I would say is, because I love the Lions and they've been my Super Bowl pick three years in a row. So eventually maybe I'll get it right. It's not just the stats thing. You know, like it's not. He does, he will need to hoist a trophy because, like, I think Stafford is in because Stafford is going to finish sixth all time and passes.

Yeah, Stafford's in. I agree. Andy has the trophy. But if Stafford didn't have the trophy, very hard, probably not. That's what, but he's got numbers that are far. I mean, obviously, we'll see where Jared Gough ends up. But like, it's not like a guarantee that Jared Gough ends up top five all time in passing yards. He might. But it helps. It does help, even though it's not linear, it does help that Gough is better with the lions than Stafford was. Yes. Yes. If you look at it. at it and you're like, God, Gough crushed.

And Stafford never did. Now, one of them had the best young GM in the sport or one of the best GMs. So it's not apples to orange apples, right? It's different. But I do think there's, you know, that's just one of those things you look at. And you're like, well, golf won big in Detroit. And we all know it's same ownership. Right.

You know, quirky head coach and Dan Campbell, he didn't have McVeigh. Yeah. But I think that like, like in a vacuum in their prime. starting a team right because stafford yeah right exactly exactly and so again that's also not the criteria for the hall of fame right but i remember a GM who's like my job is to evaluate individual talent amidst the team sport like that's like the job of the football general manager right and so like it's why i've always been a big Herbert guy and like it just I watch him and no not everyone is a free agent we are not doing this

to start a team but I'm like that guy is one of the five best at the position he just doesn't have he doesn't have the trophy case for it Stafford in his prime always felt like the same type of thing to me like I would love to give Howie Roseman the ability to build a team around Matt Stafford to give Brett Veach to give Brad Holmes the general manager of the lion's like the built to build around the great quarterback because he is a Hall of Fame talent. And now I do think that Stafford has enough of a resume that he will ultimately get in. Golf, I think, is going to need a trophy. Like if he has regular season success and counting stats,

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So let's, you had a very, so I've had a couple of winning weeks in Blazing Five, and frankly, I've actually lost three games I should have won, including Denver Colts, which is just outrageous. I've had a couple of stinkers where I've just not been able to get a break. Then last week I got the over on the Titans cards, which I didn't deserve, although they should have covered that in the second quarter, be that as it may. The most interesting bet on the board, and one I'm feeling really strongly about, is Washington minus four and a half at home against Chicago. So I think a buy week is really valuable when you have a veteran quarterback, a proven coach,

a Peyton, an Andy Reid with Mahomes, you can really add layers to a playbook. Ariens and Tom Brady come out of the buy. and don't lose again. But when you have Caleb Williams and you're trying to get the basic operations polished. You're just trying to

get the consistency ramped up. You're not really spending it adding layers and layers to a playbook. So you don't get that advantage. Also, Washington now, Terry McLorneback, Debo Samuels,

if you watch the second half of the Chargers' commanders game, Jaden Daniels was Jaden Daniels. Spinning it, accurate, moving. It was, okay, let's not forget. how good he was last year. He looked like that guy. It's one of my favorite picks of the week.

I also have this, I think I've told you this, the number four, I always take the favor. Because Vegas doesn't want to make anybody a four to four and a half point favorite. They want to go three, they want to go seven. When they do that four, four and a half five, it's like, okay, this team is better. We'd prefer, we'd prefer to get it down to three. They don't want to go to four. I think Washington's my favorite bet of the week. Well, I hope you're wrong.

We'll start there. I, what I will push back on is you're right. I don't think that the advantage for the bears coming out of the buy is the same as it is for Andy Reid, Sean Payton, Bruce Ariens, in terms of like extra game planning for Washington. Like, that is probably not what was happening. But like, you know what I'd settle for as a Bears guy? Figuring out how to run the ball a little bit. Like, I do think that having a new coach that is trying to instill a new system, having an early buy is helpful because it's more about self-scouting. It's more about like an extra week of training camp.

And so, yeah, it's maybe not like the conventional ad, but like maybe the Bears will get the play call in a few seconds. seconds faster. Maybe they'll have a few fewer pre-snap penalties. Maybe they'd have a game with no pre-snap penalties. That would be amazing. And so, like, those are low bars to clear. But I have thought that the Bears have gotten better week to week to week with Caleb Williams playing on schedule, playing in the pocket, what Ben Johnson is clearly trying to get out of him. Some of it was the opponent, right? Dallas's defense is a layup. The Raiders defense hadn't been very good. That is clearly part of it. And Washington has a very good pass rush and we'll see how healthy the Bears offensive line ends up being. We don't know who's going to start a left tackle or right

tackle at this moment in time, which is not great for the Bears. But I do expect the Bears to play well because I think that they are, I think that they are very bought in on Ben Johnson. I do think he's a good coach. And I think that they are going to self-scout. Like Grady Jared and T.J. Edwards should help their run defense a little bit. And I just, I'm expecting a great game. So I don't love it as nearly as much as you do from either side. I don't have a pick you love. Not in the game.

I don't. I mean, again, but part of this is I really, really, I've got a lot of like take equity in Caleb Williams being good. And this is such a fun spot for Ben Johnson and the Bears. Like, everybody left Caleb for dead in the J. Daniels, Caleb Williams debate, right? Jaden has the best rookie year I've ever seen. Caleb Williams, Rocky at best,

gets his play caller fired, his head coach fired. Everyone's got Jaden Daniels is this great guy. It's also the game, you'll remember, where the Bears lost on the Hail Mary last year. They were four and two. Tyreek Stevenson is taunting the crowd, and then his guy catches the Hail Mary, and then the Bears lose 10 straight games.

games. So exercising the demons of the Hail Mary game, Caleb v. Jaden, Ben Johnson out of a buy. I just, I have a sneaking suspicion that we're going to get the best version of the Bears. They might lose, but I will be shocked if they play poorly. Like, I will just be shocked if they play poorly. And I still have enough root in me for the bears that I'm just going to not bet this one because I'll be sweating it enough, which is a little embarrassing as a degenerate gambler. But as of now, I have no bet in the game. All right, baseball.

Cubs beat the Brewers 4 to 3. The Brewers have been the better team all year. It's got to be frustrating as hell to live in Chicago and have the Packers and the Brewers, small market Milwaukee, be superior organizations. Although I think Ricketts is a really good above average owner, really in the community, really respected, really smart guy.

Based on how the Cubs season is gone, let's say the Cubs lose in four, or five, how will that be viewed? Because I know when you're a Mariner fan, they're the only team that's never been to a World Series. If they get to the ALCS and they get overwhelmed by Toronto in six, you'd be like, listen, what a great season. Most of their guys are in arbitration.

It's a young team. I mean, Cal Raleigh this year is only making two and a half. Like Seattle's young, ascending, loyal fans, only team in the Northwest. If it goes to the American League Championship series and you win some games, It's just a magical season to remember. New York, once Garrett Cole got hurt, was delusional if they thought they were going to win the thing. The Dodgers just have far more good players, and the Brewers ended up being better than the Yankees. And the Blue Jays, I do believe, will win that series.

They just, they hit too much. I mean, the Yankee starters, Toronto is hitting 439 against Yankee starters. It's like beer league softball numbers. So, but how are the Cubs viewed? Because Milwaukee has been, they swept the Dodgers. this year. They have been a freight train. Let's say they lose the next game or let's say they take it five and lose. How will that be viewed in Chicago? Massive disappointment and wildly frustrating, if not expected. Few layers to it. And maybe the biggest one is the Cubs stole Craig

Council from the Brew. That's right. Their manager. They made him the highest paid manager in the sport by far. Everyone has biases. You have to, you can trust the people who admit their biases. I'm friends with Craig Counsel. He was my brother's childhood best friend. I've known him since I was six years old. I do a big charity thing with the Cubs. Like, so I know Craig pretty well and I root for the Cubs since I was a little kid. Craig's brilliant. He's a great manager. But the Cubs dwarf the Brewers in payroll. They stole their manager. And they stole their manager. And and they had fewer wins than the brewers last year, and they had fewer wins than the brewers this year.

And then if the brewers are the team that eliminates them from the postseason, it's just not acceptable given the payroll and the resources disparities. It's just not. And Tom Ricketts, by the way, would say the same thing. He will not be happy with the result of that. And Cubs fans would say, well, then spend more money. And the Cubs were disappointing at the deadline because Justin Steele, who was their ace, got hurt in April out for the year. And they did not make a big buy at the deadline.

They made four moves, mostly peripheral smaller moves. And that was seen as very disappointing because they didn't go out and get a true difference maker. Did those moves help? Well, that's the thing. There really was no true difference making pitcher who was traded. like it was a fairly benign deadline in that way, but fans don't really want to hear that. And so Steele got hurt in April,

and then Cade Horton's their rookie pitcher, who was an absolute stud, he got hurt in September. So it was, oh, wow, Horton's going to be able to carry him, and then he got hurt right before the playoffs. So they started, they had an opener in game two against the Padres. They did a bullpen game.

in game two of the wildcard series. Like that's how depleted the Cubs pitching staff is. So at this point and showed him in Ongaga, who they've paid a bunch of money to and was really good, has been struggling and giving up a ton of homers, and he got shelled in game two against Milwaukee. So the Cubs just do not have enough arms. So I will be shocked if the Cubs beat the Brewers in this series.

I'll be shocked by it. But a lot of people have wanted to blame counsel, and I just don't think that that is right. And yes, again, I am friends with. them. But I think objectively, they don't have the arms. They do not have the horses. And given their payroll

and their advantages, it's wildly disappointing. So, hopefully this is a big offseason for them. And I mean, listen, first of all, hopefully they make a run and they shock me and they make me eat my words. But assuming with your pretense that they lose in four or five, Cubs fans are not going to be satisfied with this

year because of the inactivity of the deadline and because of who they lost to. They feel like they lost to little brother in pickup and it's embarrassing. You know, it's, it's interesting about how this is more of a player empowerment era the last 15 years than previously. Yeah, sure. And I mean, outside of the SEC, and even that's scaled back in the last three or four years

where you can still berate players like it's the 70s. I mean, not shy of Woody Hayes, but like bad behavior. It looks like a lunatic dad screaming at a son. You can still get away with that, right, in the South. I don't think it works as well in the Big Ten. It's just a different. It doesn't work at all in the West Coast at all. How about the Cardinals?

The Cardinals finding Jonathan Gannon. I reread that story. It's hard to cut you off. But I was just like, I didn't see anyone outraged by it. Like, I didn't see like. Were you bothered by that? No. I wasn't.

I mean, if a team wants to find him, that's fine. But like, when I first saw that he was fine, I was like, oh, did the NFL find him?

And I was like, no. I was like, did the players union file a grievance? No. Was there like a big amount of media uproar over what Jonathan Gannon did on the sideline? No.

Had any players come out to our knowledge and said that it was completely out of line? Like, no. Like he's, what DeMarcato did was intergalactically stupid. And his coach blew a gasket. Unbecoming, I wouldn't want him to do it to my kid in Little League or even in high school football.

Or I guess we could talk in college football. But in professional sports, I don't know, a misdemeanor at best. Yeah, because the power dynamic in college, or, you know, especially in the last 20 years until recently, the coach is making $8 million a year and the player's not making anything. That's a weird power dynamic. Like, don't touch the player. Yeah, of course. I mean, what Bobby Knight did now would not be tolerated.

It wasn't tolerated then, frankly. And nor should it. But as a pro athlete. Yeah. I'm not saying it's good, but I'm also not at all offended. And by the way, like, he didn't. like he didn't hit him but you know what i mean like he didn't like punch him in the face like he wasn't like he was pissed he was angry in the moment and he made fiscal contact with him like i didn't

it didn't register to me as this terrible thing and by the way i don't care that he got fine either like a private business can discipline an employee and and that's fine but i was just wondering like who were they doing that on behalf of like who who was actually offended by what Jonathan Gannon did to make them feel like they needed to discipline. It made it feel like the owner. Like maybe just like the owner, the owner was. Midwell's probably the weakest owner in the league, honestly. Yeah.

Interesting guy. I think there are certain things the media is more bothered by than like fans. And I think one of them is treatment of players. it's always like, I mean, I could name writers that they're, you know, I mean, good God, Kaepernick sued the league. He's not going to get a lot of calls when there's an opening at quarterback. If it's not collusion, you don't even have to. Did you see a bunch of media outraged over Gannon?

Oh, no, no, no, I'm saying like, but I remember during the Kaepernick years, I'm like, guys, he sued the league. Sure. If an employee sued me at the volume and he won, there's no collusion. I wouldn't hire them again. I wouldn't want the headache. There is no collusion. You don't have to say certain things and it's understood.

Like when you're a kid and mom or dad are pissed, the kids don't have to gather and vote on the outcome if you do something stupid again. Like they're upset. Don't play ball in the house. Like everybody knows certain your wife's upset with you. I think tonight, tonight I'll agree with everything she says. Like everybody in the house gets that. It's the same.

So, but I do think the media in Phoenix may have been very pro player and you can't touch a player. And owners listen and read that stuff and are influenced by it. Because my take was I would have strongly considered cutting the player. Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't have bothered me. I looked it up because I wasn't like 100% sure. Like, he's the exact type of player that you can cut.

right? I mean, it's not like when Deshawn Jackson did it like a decade and a half ago. Like you're not cutting Deshawn Jackson. Right. Right. Right. Like bonehead move, but one of the best deep threats in the NFL for a decade. Like you're not cutting Deshawn. But like a third year running back on a minimum contract who had eight carries before, like leading into that game. like you can cut that guy um and so and again i'm this is i'm not condoning making physical contact but like andy reed and travis kelsey made a physical altercation every six weeks like and the one that happened a couple of weeks ago was andy reed initiating the physical contact with Travis Kelsey.

Like it just, maybe Phoenix media was pissed. Maybe there was some sort of huge outcry that I completely missed. But I'm pretty online and I'm pretty plugged into the media. All of it was what a bonehead play by DiMarcato. And how could it happen the week after Dan and I Mitchell did it? We've had it happen three times because there was a Jets running back who did it too. And I went on the air the next.

and I said my belief on why it's happening more because young people are performative. And it starts with TikTok and IG and everybody's performative. Go to a restaurant. People can't eat without taking pictures of their food. You can't go anywhere in Italy in Florence. It's just young people taking pictures. I've never taken a selfie. I just, I'm not going to do it.

I've taken pictures of my wife and I together to send to the kids. Yeah. But it, but it's a, we live in this world where 20 somethings, They're performative. They're always on camera. And so as they're scoring, the first thing many of them think about is, I want to put on a show. What will this look like if friends take a picture of it? And like A.D. Mitchell never scored a touchdown before.

Like the idea that in that moment, the first thing you're thinking of is showboating is it's beyond me. And apparently A.D. Mitchell is very liked by the Colts and, you know, in the room. but yeah, I think you have to send messages. I would cut players who did that. Football seasons here, and if you want to go to an NFL or college football game, game time is the place for you. The Game Time app just gives you the advantage back to you, the fans. It's a hack for unlocking amazing tickets and experiences and a few taps.

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He was complaining about conservatives doing something. And he goes, but what equally drives me crazy is that progresses in California, many are against Waymo. And their take is we are unemployed people. This is not good for jobs. And his argument was, time out. We do not want to be the party that's anti-tech. The conservatives are anti-science. We can't be anti-tech. And I read that and I thought it is fascinating. I used to live in Oregon, very liberal. And gas stations, you can't pump your own gas. And Oregon's theory is,

it keeps thousands of people employed in the state of Oregon. And it rains a lot. So I kind of like somebody pumping my gas, to be honest with you. And by the way, gas stations are kind of dirty. You know, you're touching stuff. So it's like, I always kind of thought it was cool. You talk to the guy or gal, and it's like, that's good. So where would you fall on this? It absolutely will create job loss. I mean, there's no question. Uber drivers are in big trouble in California because I'm telling you where I live, Waymo cars are everywhere, Danny, and I prefer them. Nothing against the driver. but no driver?

Yeah. And by the way, nobody has stale candy. Nobody wants to ask me about the Eagles. I get in the car. It gets there fast. And I'm a Waymo guy. Wow. But then tens of thousands of people could lose their jobs.

As somebody, you acknowledge, your center left. Oh, yeah. What do you do if you're a Democrat in California? So my take is I'm pro technology. and nobody has a right to a job. I grew up in a fishing village, and because the state of Washington limited salmon distribution or the number of salmon you could catch,

salmon fishermen lost work. And my stepdad, who was a very much kind of a man of nature and a man of earth and a fisherman, and I used to argue with him. I'm going into broadcasting. If radio died tomorrow, I don't have a right to a job. And so it was like, just because you're a fisherman at 28, doesn't mean you don't want it at 48.

Like states have legislation. They protect our earth. So I'm for Waymo, which means I'm kind of for job loss. Where do you land? Yeah, that's a good one. I think in, I am pro-innovation. And I am, and like, there's a lot of problems with capitalism, but it might be, it's the best we got. Like, a play on that, the old, you know, democracy is the worst form of government,

except for all the other ones. you know and so like do are there problems with it yes are there unintended consequences absolutely but i don't think you want to be in the business of stifling innovation um because what's the next thing that that would like i'd be thrilled if there was some level of innovation that made pediatric cancer doctors have to go extinct because we had solved it you know and so like it's the type of thing where just in general, innovation is good. Like the easy pass put toll booth workers out of business. Yeah.

But it's objectively better. Like, we don't have to stop. We don't have to keep coins in our car. We can just keep going on our drive, but it put people out of business for a better way of life. So I've never been in a driverless car before. So I'm glad, like, I wouldn't be the test case for. it. So, like, I'm glad to hear that you're doing it and it's going well. But, like, I think

that type of, like, if they can do it and they clearly can, and I, I'm aware of Waymo and I'm aware of the fact that this is becoming more and more popular, like, it's just going to lead to less auto crashes. It's going to lead to people being safer. It's going to lead to fewer deaths. It's going to lead to fewer deaths. Oh, no question. Also, there are safety concerns with women and male Uber drivers. I mean, that's nothing against Uber. There have been lots of lawsuits. You can go back and look at the history of Uber. Right. There have been lots of lawsuits. You eliminate that. You eliminate, I mean, there's no question the number of car deaths will plummet in America. So like that to me, an obvious negative is the job loss, but there are so

many also positives that come with it that that one to me is not terribly difficult to be like, yeah, I'm fine with it. I'm fine with it. And in general, again, like, I, there was a story arc in the wire. The wire to me is the greatest television show ever. And that show came out 20 years ago, 20 plus years ago.

But like the dock workers and how they could unload and offload ships, like cargo ships, big containers that weigh, you know, thousands of tons and all that stuff. And there were the, the stevedores were like, that's going to put us out of jobs. And they're like, yeah, but you're not going to die on the job.

And then the stevedore's like, but I'd rather get injured on the job and have a job. But that's not the point. The guy who developed the technology to offload the cargo ship faster, more efficiently, no stealing, no injuries, that guy created that company to do it. That was innovation. It was progress, moving it forward. And so it sucks. And by the way, you mentioned the radio thing.

I turned 39 in two weeks. I have no idea what the next 20 years of media is going to look like. And what my career in this industry, cable television, cord cutting, podcasting, it keeps evolving. We have to keep evolving in our field. A lot of people have to keep evolving in theirs. So it doesn't, I feel bad for the individual who would lose their job enough to make me. anti-innovation and progress. I mean, listen, I did local TV sports.

That kind of dried out. That's a good example. That was a job that in Chicago, you make a million dollars a year or 20 years ago? Correct. Correct. Exactly. That was a seven-figure job into the first part of the 21st century.

Like Mark Gene Greco, a friend of mine in Chicago, legend covered like the Bulls dynasties and all that. he was still making north of a million dollars into the 2000s. Now the people that have that job low six figures and nobody watches, you know, it's just a completely different ecosystem. And that's just the, that's the way of the world. So are you, are you totally, have you ever had an issue, by the way, driverless car? Waymo.

Yeah, the vast majority of people here have never been in a drive, listening to this, have never been in a driverless car. Yeah, I've been in three. They're fantastic. And I'm not, I'm not anti Uber. I've spent a lot of money on Uber, but there is a gap in Uber drivers. And if you go, if you go the lower levels of Uber, I had an Uber driver because I had a very short drive recently in Chicago. He pulled up to my street and stopped in the middle of the street, didn't pull into my driveway.

There were 30 cars as I walked on the road to get in and like bowed my head and apologized. and it was the cheapest level of it because it was like a six minute drive to the train station. So like Waymo, everybody's good. They're all the exact same. There's no good, bad, smelly. I mean, I've gotten into Uber cars before and the music's loud and it smells like hygiene issues. It's like it's rare, but it happens. And there's no question.

So I, in Chicago, I take an Uber every day. about a seven to ten minute drive from where I work to OECC, Ogilvy train station. Yep. The gap in competency is startling. Yeah. Seven to eight minutes for 10 to 15 percent. Nine to 12. I've had 23 times.

Now, can I make a small suggestion to you before Waymo gets to Chicago? You're a pretty successful guy, Colin. You can go Uber black. you can you don't have to you don't have to be in the uber x to save your nine bucks and get in the back of someone's corolla like you can you can you can you can pay up for your uber black and get in a suburban buddy you don't know anne somebody in our family has to save money fair enough no i you know nick nick and i went to you'll like this nick and you can cut it if you want but nick and i went to uh the u.s open and He and getting out of there with cars is a disaster. And I live in Westchester, which is suburban New York and Nick lives in Harlem. So we were going to go from U.S. Open to Harlem to the suburb that I live in. So two stops.

And Nick got like an Uber black because it was just saved us, you know, 30 plus minutes of like finding the car just because leaving the U.S. Open. And he was like, it was 300 bucks for the car. expensive car. And he's like, you owe me, he's like, you know, he got, he had the tickets, very generous. And he's like, you know, both split the car. He's like, you owe me 150 bucks for the car. And I had 130 in cash on me. And I gave him the 130 and said, if I would have gotten the car, I would have gotten Uber X.

And he's like, so I was like, so take your 130. And he was like, all right. And so I, so I, I am, I am the you in this analogy, but I'm hoping that if I'm ever at your level, I will be the nick the analogy and just pay for the Uber Black. By the way, it doesn't really change. If you feel Google, it doesn't matter. Okay. My wife, my wife, to this day, will be like, you have six pair of shoes.

I know what you make. And I'm like, I can live on four. Six is really pushing it. That's two jogging shoes. Like, come on. How many brown shoes do you need? One's the answer. Always.

One is the end. Yeah. I think I've had, I've only like 11 pairs of jeans in my life. I wore, I wore a pair of pants today, and I've had these easily a decade. They're gray. And I always argue they go with everything and they go with nothing simultaneously. Yeah. And I had to do a shoot today.

And I'm like, could you guys not put these on camera for a Fox Sunday shoot? And they're like, yeah, the way the shot works, they're going to be on camera. And I'm like, does AI, can they change? Like, can we use that thing on these pants? So I wear stuff to work that I'm embarrassed to put on camera. And I'm in a weird way, I'm really proud of it. Yeah, of course. I mean, you know, Superman wore the same thing every day.

Steve Jobs were the same thing every day. So is that NVIDIA guy? Yeah, yeah, exactly. The NVIDIA guy was the same thing every day. We're in good company. We're in good confidence. Danny Parkins. Good talking to you, buddy.

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