The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast - Bills BAD Loss, Caleb Has HORSEPOWER, Pats Are BACK, Seahawks Don’t Have A Weakness

Episode Date: November 10, 2025

Colin’s joined by John Middlekauff, host of “3 and Out” to break down the Sunday NFL slate. They begin the Rams throttling the 49ers, and argue that Matt Stafford is playing some of the best football of his career, and that the 49ers would be smart to hang onto Mac Jones who has proved his worth (3:15).  They move to the Bears win over the Giants where the arm talent of Caleb Williams was on full display and Colin argues the best descriptor for Caleb is horsepower (10:00). They agree that Vikings quarterback  J.J. looks like he’s in over his head after an awful showing in their loss to the Ravens (25:00) Colin argues that the Patriots clearly looked like the better team in their win over the Bucs and have a serious debate about whether the Pats are the best team in the AFC in Mike Vrabel’s first year (36:30). Colin highlights Josh Allen having tons of time to throw, but his receivers couldn’t get open in the Bills ugly loss to the Dolphins and that the Bills could be in trouble in the AFC East with the Patriots ascending (49:30) They point to the Seahawks incredible drafting in recent years leading to a dominating, talented roster and argue there isn’t a weakness on the team. They look ahead to their upcoming game against the Rams and pick the Seahawks (55:00). They move the Colts overtime win over the Falcons in Berlin and argue the Colts won despite Daniel Jones and they won by playing throwback, old-school football (1:05:15). Finally, they pivot to college football to talk about the incredible job Kalen DeBoer has done as head coach at Alabama in returning the Tide to their usual status as a powerhouse program (1:16:45). They also give kudos to Indiana and Oregon for their big wins (1:21:00).  All lines provided by hardrock.bet (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates!  #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And I used to tell friends, I'm like, is it a stick-em thing? People would field it on the ball. No, they're well-coached. The Rams for the second year of the least penalized team, you go into a heated rivalry game, no penalties, no turnovers. My take is, obviously, the Niners are all banged up. But it is so efficient. You can see the coaching with the Rams. That's what I feel like.

Yeah, I mean, the 49ers, their defense is a mass unit. but when you play a match unit and you're a good team, you score in every drive, and that's essentially what the Rams did. And Stafford is a dominant player right now. I mean, he's a legitimate. He's probably had some years. I have to really dive in, but this feels like his highest level of play, consistently week and week out, especially when you factor in his age.

Remember McVeigh all offseason said, listen, we value, like, because of our money situation, we are underpaying Matt Stafford and we know it. they approached this offseason with him much different than they did years ago with the golf situation. They were just transparent about it. They're like, we know we technically have to underpay him. We know he's better than what we're paying. He's making $40 million a year. I mean, Trevor Lawrence makes more than him, right?

Tua makes more than him. Purdy makes more than him. So he is, Puka's an incredible talent. And Devante and him have that, he has like a Rogers level rapport with him immediately. Immediately. He had no training camp. I mean, give me a break. Yeah, well, yeah, I forgot about that because the back didn't work.

That's right. They are, it feels like we're on a collision course right now. We're recording this obviously before the Monday night game, so we'll see the Eagles and the Packers. But I would say the Rams in Seattle look like they're playing at a really high level. The 49ers offense, actually, is playing at a really high level. It's just defense. They're rolling out me and you and they got no chance to stop a good team.

I was going to say, if you looked at the box score and didn't look at the score and watch the game, Niners move the ball. this about Mack Jones. You know, Mac Jones is a big, sturdy kid. I think he throws a really nice ball. He's not super athletic. But like I get, when I watch him, like I get why he was a great high school college and a pro bowler. Like Mac throws a real ball. He makes good decisions, tight spiral. You know, he moved out and threw a touchdown pass, you know, scrambling to a tight end. it's like I would have no problem as a bridge quarterback for a couple years going with Mack Jones if I was an NFL GM or a coach. He's one of the better bridge guys in a long, and to me in a while.

Yeah, I'd even argue he's probably better than that. You know, like clearly you watch Sam Darnold. His physical traits are that of a guy that was drafted really high in any draft. Quarterback inflation or back in the 90s. Mac doesn't have those physical attributes, but he's an NFL starting quarterback. But he's on a two-year contract, Colin. Did you see the clip with Brady when they asked him on the pregame show about Mac Jones? And he said, well, once upon a time, you know, you can't not go to Mac Jones the way he's playing. And I found myself in a situation a long time ago.

And look at me now. I'm probably not here if I wasn't. And I just went, I actually don't think it's that controversial to say, Purdy's toe doesn't work. He can't even dress for games. So Mac Jones is the quarterback for the entire. entire season. I don't expect Purdy to play. And if he does, he'll immediately just re-injure his toe. That's what happened. That's the injury he has. He's got a unique injury. It's not one of those things that just heals. He's never going to be 100%. So if he's compromised, Mack Jones just keep playing. To me,

Mac Jones plays the rest of the season. And you know, the crazy thing is, Colin, we're not that far away from the Bears and the 49ers play in about four or five weeks. And that could potentially be for the seventh seed. Now, the Niners. they play the cards, the Titans, the Browns. Remember, we talked about at the beginning of the season. The Patriots and the Niners. The Bears schedule gets a little more difficult. Packers a couple times, the Steelers, even the Vikings, I think next week in Minnesota. So the Niners, but they play each other. So if the Bears can just kind of hold serve, we could have a pseudo, you know, December playoff game for that seven seed Niners Bears,

which would be pretty fun. And B, I'm also the Mac Jones thing. Let's say you could trade him this offseason. I think he's too valuable to the 49. He makes no money. He's on a two-year $7 million contract. And Purdy is, let's face it, he ripped up his arm. Granted, that was the last game of the season. But if that happens in October, he misses the season. This year, I mean, what's he going to end up playing? Two or three games?

Mack Jones' value to the 49ers, I'd argue, is more valuable unless you're getting like a first-round pick, which you're probably not. I'm not giving them away. I'm just holding them for the next year and next year, until Purdy proves that he can stay on the field. Oh, and the Niners will get calls on Matt Jones. And they'll say, and Kyle, Kyle, Kyle, Kyle's been open about it.

He wanted to take him. And then I think as the process went on, he kind of went to the guy with, in quotes, more upside. But there's no way Kyle doesn't like him now. Today he's just slink. He didn't have incompletions. I mean, hitting guys on the head. And besides Kittle and McCaffrey,

there's a lot of Demarcus Robinson's and Kendrick Borns. He's not throwing to Jerry Rice and John Taylor out there, Colin. No, no. I mean, I'm impressed with Mack Jones. And the other thing we saw in the late window, when rosters get depleted, which they do November on, elite quarterbacks, Goff, Stafford, look at the late window, Darnold blowout wins.

When you have a B quarterback, and Mac, I'm telling you, if Mac's a backup, he's the best backup in the league. To me, he's a bridge or a franchise guy. And he struggled to compete today. So what you saw in the late window, this is something I've been on now for years, John. The bottom of the NFL by November looks like the bottom of the NBA. It's unwatchable because the league is so quarterback dependent.

If you don't have a star quarterback, because everybody's being, I mean, the Rams are lucky. They don't get penalties. They don't get hurt. I mean, nobody's hurt. By and large, everybody's banged up right now. Everybody's dinged up. The Packers are dinged up. The Niners are dinged up.

You know, it's just the way the league is. It really helps to have a horse quarterback. And you saw it today. So, you know, Rams in a blowout win, uh, 42, 26 as we went on the air and that game wasn't quite done. I want to, I want to talk about the Bears for a second. So Chicago beats New York 2420. And so it was Caleb Williams and Jackson Dart and Jackson Dart outplayed him for the first three quarters.

But there is something, I've said this about Caleb Williams multiple times, John. He doesn't get hurt. and he doesn't throw interceptions. Jackson Dirk gets hurt a lot, and he'll throw picks. Now, Jackson, I thought, he plays with a ton of confidence. He throws a nice ball. Jackson played really, really well. He had a couple of touchdown runs.

One was a 24-yard run was a big-time run. Both those quarterbacks can really way above average movement, way above average. Now, again, Caleb had a great fourth quarter. But when I watched the game, and you have to watch the whole game, there's becoming an issue with Jackson Darp. He's blue tentant. he's getting banged up a lot. This is my Brock Purdy thing. If you're a little smaller, or you play with a lot of confidence, Baker Mayfield used to do that first couple of years.

He played with more confidence than he should have. Somebody would pick him off. He'd square him up. It's like, bro, you're a quarterback. You're not a free safety. Would it worry you the Jackson Dart concussion today, the constant blue tent visits and the injuries? I think it worries me with all these young quarterbacks. They all have. have a style, you know, I would say Caleb Williams style is the same thing. He's just built more like a tank. They all scramble around and run around. I mean, Jaden Daniels's nowhere to be found. Where did he get hurt running? You know, I mean, this is the new age. We watch football every Saturday for four plus months and it's fantastic, but they're all moving around. So back in the day,

Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, one, all those guys are huge. The quarterbacks now are smaller. I mean, they're definitely smaller, but they move around. To me, the Jackson Dart, they, the play that he got injured on, the one that he fumbled, it was like a quarterback power, which had worked earlier in the game. So when you're calling those plays and the guy's name's not Cam Newton, you know, this is the NFL. You know, he got rocked by like three guys. And, I mean, there were a lot of plays. The strength of Caleb was on full display today.

How many sacks did he break out of? I actually think there's an element that I, it's like, I'm not, I'm going to sound critical, but he almost throws too hard. there were so many balls that were dropped by those guys throughout the game. It's probably, you know, you're there, right? How cold is it in Chicago? You probably can't feel your hands. The balls are probably, I bet some of those guys are going to wake up in the morning

with sore hands. And, but on the balls where Jackson Dart was completing them, it was more rollout lobs. It's hard to complete the Brett Farb. Farv's players used to talk about this in Green Bay. Like, it is hard to catch his ball. Yeah. So did Lways. In December and November.

And I just thought, like, it's not that Rome is a bad player, but you catch that. I would say Caleb Williams has right now as strong of an arm as anyone in the end of it. He let a couple rip today where you're just like, that's Josh Allen, if not stronger. It was Jesus. How about he? He rolled right. I was impressed. I've been hard on him.

I thought I was impressed today with how he played. In the weather or two? He rolled right. He threw a ball to DJ more in the end zone. He caught it, but he was out of bounds. John, it was 40 yards. I swear to God, it was a line drive to left field. It was about as high as the short.

stop. It was a freaking rope in a windy, cold environment. And DJ Morto's credit caught it, but it was out of bounds. His, the word I always used with Caleb, and I'd never used it with any quarterback before is just horsepower. He is a V8. I mean, it is, he is. And here's your thing. The knock on him, Caleb is, you know, he holds the ball too long. But I was thinking about this today. He doesn't throw picks. So what his mind is, yeah, I'm going to hold it longer than other guys because my escapeability outside Lamar Jackson is probably second best in the league. So first of all, I'm stronger than Lamar Jackson.

So if I do get hit, I mean, he rolls, you can't. If you're coming in as a defense. Like a younger Russell Wilson. Yeah, or Big Ben where a defensive player gets on his shoulder and he just brushes him off. So I think a lot of him holding the ball is I just trust that I'm going to escape. And, you know, I watched it a couple of times today when he had that big run down the sideline. I'm like, if he was a running back, you wouldn't want to size him up if you were a safety. I mean, he's a big dude. I remember we did this maybe like week two. And one thing that jumped out to me,

you know, because last year their games were just so, I mean, they had what, like a 10 game losing streak. I mean, they didn't matter. It was bad. You watch him this year. He is way more athletic than I think people thought coming out. Also, you know, when you're judging him against Arizona and Arizona State and Colorado, right, in college, you see him against these NFL guys. He's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's He's running faster than them. Now, I'm not saying he's Lamar Jackson in the open field, but he is way faster than I expected. I thought he kind of won them the game down the stretch today. He made huge play after huge play.

And obviously it flipped when Dart gets hurt and Russell Wilson. It was just, man, it's hard to come in in a game where it's freezing cold, but God, he looks terrible. So Caleb's fourth game winning drive in six weeks. And my whole life, I have watched the Bears. lose games like they're winning. And this, by the way, it's different. Denver's winning, but the quarterback play is awful. The quarterback play with Chicago's wildly dynamic. And what's interesting, Caleb's gotten better late in games. He may not be as good on the script that he was in the first four weeks. Like now he's doing stuff on his own. And I mean, right now this season,

in the fourth day he had 77 yards passing, a passing touchdown, 109 passer rating, 52 yards rushing and a rushing touchdown. Okay. And again, that's not the script. That's the opposite of the script. Those were crucial drives to win the game with a ton of pressure. Yeah, I think he's a hit. Listen, winning games is like today I watch the Coles.

Oh, God, drove me crazy. They won the game. this is that's why with analytics sometimes I'm like I'm going to get points sometimes not the touchdown I need to win the game so we all keep our mortgage right well to me the bears game if that had been a prior it's probably a rarity in Chicago but let's say it's a 75 degree November early November game you know perfect weather let's even say like 60 I'd be like well the giants are terrible when it's freezing cold that that makes the game very difficult I don't care who you're playing I'm sure you saw some of that Wisconsin, you know, Washington game, Iowa, Oregon game.

It is hard to play in those environments. No one can feel their hands, hard to breathe. I have way more respect. Like, I don't judge scores. You know, you're not going to hit many explosive plays in the passing game. What is all what, you know, if you go back and I saw it firsthand because they played the Niners, when LaFleur got there and they resurrected Rogers career, they were playing these home games in Green Bay. It's freezing cold.

So you're vaunted passing. attack does not work as well. And, you know, University of Washington has one of the best wide receivers in the league, one of the best quarterbacks in the country. They couldn't operate. They have a great offense. It doesn't function. Or Oregon has NFL players everywhere. They couldn't function. So it's like, I just go, hey, if you got to win a game 13 to 10, I actually think, and it's an awesome, listen, if you're a Bears fan, you apologize to nobody about winning games after the last thing. the Giants, this thing, I defended probably three or four weeks ago. I'm like, listen, he went all in on this quarterback.

He was right, right? I mean, there is, if you just pull GMs right now, I think 32 of them would take Jackson Dart over Cam Ward today. Now, their careers aren't written, but today, Brian Dayball was right about the quarterback he liked. Problem is his team, I mean, that's, I think I read today a stat that that's his fourth game in which he had a second half lead of 10 plus points. And obviously he's had now multiple double-digit leads in the fourth quarter in which they implode.

I mean, today he kicked a field goal. They had 12 men on the field, but Russell's in the game, not dart. He declines the penalty and takes the points instead of just getting the first. Because, and listen, I thought like, hey, you don't want to risk fumbling. You're up 20 to 10. How are the bears going to score? But then it bit them in the ass. And there were reports, you know, local radio, people have connections to ownership that said the ownership was close after the Denver Bronco game.

And this feels, you know, you're up 20 to 10, you're cruising. Maybe they give them a little break because darts in the tent. But, man, it's hard to, it's hard to kind of fend off the arrows, Colin, when you keep having these devastating losses. Yeah, it's nothing's, these New York football teams, it's just, it's just, it's a football swamp. Like, people just go to drown in these places. Justin Fields didn't have 100 yards today.

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At home, you're the home team. Not a college team. your pro team. 13 total penalties. So I went and looked this up. Again, on the opening drive. He's very good

on opening drives. I'm not the first drive with, you know, Kevin O'Connell. Three of four, 117 passer ratings, Viking score a touchdown. I watched it. I'm like,

bus slick, but I said as he did it, okay, I've seen this before. After the first drive, J.J. McCarthy, 17 of 38. Okay, he's under 50% and a 45 passer rating. So it's almost like a comedian.

You either make me laugh or you don't. When I watch a franchise quarterback, like you either pick up first downs, you have long drives, you make big touchdown throws, or you don't. You can't try to convince me something is true. If I go to watch a comedy show, you're either funny or you're not for 45 minutes. Bill Burr makes me laugh almost every joke. Like, you can't convince me of stuff. and I watched J.J. McCarthy, and I didn't like him out of college, so I don't want to do confirmation bias.

But after those scripted drives, I don't get it. I don't see it. He's not accurate. Everything's a fastball. And they have good receivers and a better than average offensive line and a solid running back and a great offensive coach. I mean, overall today's 20 of 42. I mean, you can't win in this lead like that. You know, their biggest problem, too, is their star player, Justin Jefferson, who they're paying a ton of money, who is, I would say, widely considered throughout the league, a high level, high character guy, quit on them the day. There was an interception in which he threw. He just stopped. He didn't even chase. And to me, like, wide receivers aren't your leaders, right?

They're their follow. Now, luckily, he's the best follower, but he knows. And then, ironically, the Seattle game star, I didn't even, I wasn't even on it yet because it started at 2 o'clock. I look up Donald's first pass. It's like a 50-yard bomb hits JSN in the hands. And if I'm Justin Jefferson, this is the Larry Fitzgerald thing. You are so dependent on whoever that guy is. And he's already had, he had a good Kirk Cousins. Last year, he had a guy throwing 35 touchdowns who's going to throw 40 again. And now he gets this. This kid's over his head. You know, this is a situation that, listen, his career's not written, you know, his second year in his career. But 20, 30 years ago,

guy's sitting for two or three years. This guy's never touching the field. And he's on the field on a team with a lot of good players, a great coaching staff. I mean, their defense was playing their ass off as long as they could. But your quarterback, he threw two picks that even, I think Moose Johnson was calling the game. He's like, on one, he's like, I don't even know what he's looking at there. You cannot throw that ball. The two DBs, Willie May's catch, just right in their hands. They both led, they both went to field goals. Now, they ended up losing by eight. And I think they had another, like, kickoff return, they fumbled that they scored immediately, so turnovers killed them, but two of them directly on J.J. McCarthy that are just basically acting as punts. And I just think when you start

losing high character guys on your team, I don't really blame Jefferson here. Like I can't battle for this guy. You know, I don't think he's good enough. And we saw it, I keep bringing this up because I was around this team a lot. When you have a team that views themselves as like a bunch of bowlers that can compete. And the 49ers, like, their star players never bought in. It's not that they're not nice. They don't like the guy personally, but if you're not good enough, like, this is a production-based business. It's pretty black and white. You can either play or you can't. The bears are a good example of, like, their standards not that high. Like, if they get to eight or nine wins this year, that's a success. The bike exists won 14, and we're 60 minutes away from

being the number one seed. So Justin Jefferson goes, I got this kid that we have to hold. hold his hand who cannot, I mean, playing a real opponent at home. That was the other thing. We're playing a real opponent at home and a big underdog with this guy. And John, operationally, eight false starts at home. That's like a college quarterback playing at Georgia where you're overwhelmed. You can't hear. The whole thing is a mess. And, you know, it's one of those things where players talk, to your point earlier. They know what Donald's doing. Donald's been the number one ranked PFF quarterback for like a month. I mean, I watched him today.

He has the weirdest turnovers, by the way. The ball ricocheted off his tight ends helmet for an interception. Darnal has the weirdest turnovers in the league. But you can't, you can't. And you know, the thing about Baltimore is they was field goal, field goal, field goal. But one of the things about Baltimore is they just keep coming at you. That team is just kind of at a relentless attack. I mean, God, remember a couple weeks ago when they played the Bears

with Tyler Huntley the backup, and you're like, Jesus, this is an incredible effort. Baltimore's got a culture that's been built for years, and they, even in that first half, when Brian Flores, he's given them trouble, they just can't quite move the chains. They just keep getting points and points, and then all of a sudden you look up,

they blow a couple of big plays and it's over. Yeah, I respect the Colts. They just moved off Anthony Richardson. I respect Kyle Shanahan. He just moved off Trailands. I think at the end of the year, you'll let him play the rest of the season between the injuries

and what I'm watching off the first scripted drive, it just doesn't work. You can't fool me. Like you said with the comedian analogy, like it's not even, you just got to watch him. And as the game goes, he can make a good play

and then he makes too horrendous plays. And the interceptions of just throwing yolo balls. The Ravens are healthy now, you know, beside the guys on injury reserve. That's right. So who are his two interceptions to? Stark's first rounder from Georgia.

and Marlon Humphrey is one of the more versatile ds in the league. So it's like you're playing those type guys. This is real. This is no longer, you're not getting Rutgers here on a Saturday at 1 o'clock. This is Marlon Humphrey, Mackay Stark, John Harbaugh, Lamar Jackson. They're fighting for their lives. This is a team over the last couple years who has been, they would say we just haven't figured out in the playoffs, but we have been the Chief's equal, you know, one through 17 throughout

the season, right? But we just, we are better than you. And there's no way that's essentially a rookie quarterback. And as the game went on, that's the one thing with football, right? Anyone that gambles knows this. You can't get too excited after a quarter. Let the game play out. The cream usually rises.

The more pressure comes on a quarterback. They keep bringing different looks. And I think the Vikings, listen, we all make decisions. Some of them don't work. That's a pretty, that's a decision that's going to be hard to live with for a while, the Sam Darnel's situation. Because it's one thing, if like, hey, Seattle gave him $200 million, it would have ruined her whole. They gave him $55 million guaranteed. And like you said,

he's been one of, if not the best, like he's playing at a level that's no different than good Mahomes, good Allen. Like, he's an elite player. And now you got this guy because you drafted him really high who's, you're not going to make the playoffs this year. I mean, they got a game, I think, this upcoming week or maybe they're on a, I'm pretty sure they play this upcoming week against the Bears. I mean, that's, you know, now the Bears are going to have a lot to play for because that week one kind of embarrassed them. They got some momentum coming in. JJ's kind of at a point.

You've been talking about this. You kind of get until Thanksgiving your second year. Now, I think they would say he didn't get his first year. But like, you think they're just going to roll it out again, year three? That's just not the way the league works. It's a pet peeve of mine when people say like, no one has any patience anymore. Well, yeah, the league in like 1987, the teams were worth like $100 million. They're now worth $7 billion.

They're paying people $150 million. Yes, patience is shorter. Welcome to 2025. Well, the other thing, John, is you shouldn't have as much patience because these quarterbacks come in with 10,000 throws. They have private coaches, the seven-on-seven camps. This is not the Eli Manning era. This is the Archmanning era where you're making $6 million in college, private coaching. Sometimes you fly private jet. You can get places faster. So I've always said, Thanksgiving second year, I'm going with my GM in the room and telling him. It used to be, I want three full seasons.

I'll give you three full seasons, unless you're just absolutely out of your mind overmatched. So I don't have a problem with, and you also say, well, he hasn't been healthy. That's kind of a you problem. Like,

nothing against Brock Purdy, but you know who was always healthy? Mostly was Brady and Big Ben and Brett Farve. And those guys are healthy because they're durable. You know, Caleb Williams doesn't get hurt. He's big and strong. That's one of the reasons, John, that traits matter.

Size matters. Thickness matters. I remember when Matt Ryan came out, I'm like, I like everything about him. He looks like a four iron. Like he just, now Matt was one of those. Gough, by the way, never gets hurt. Has a thin frame. Dude, at Cal was raggalled.

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New England 28, Tampa 23. Tampa 23. Tamp on a buy, took a 7-0 lead, and that was about the only time you thought they were the better team. So, I mean, it's really interesting. I've been waiting for New England. Trayvon Henderson to play more. I loved them out of Ohio State. Well, today, a couple of big runs.

They have running back injuries. And Mike Vrable wants, I think Vrable's a little bit like Belichick, and which is just because you're a great rookie or a top pick, you have to earn your way. You have to earn time. And if you don't block, if you don't pass block particularly well, a lot of these NFL coaches, John, they don't care where you're drafted as a running back. Like, they won't play it until you can block. Play Corum last year. They won't play it. So Trayvion Henderson, who I thought was a pretty good blocker out of Ohio State, he got some carries today. Holy shit. Boy, he is. He is. He pops.

The other thing that I watched with New England, Williams, the, receiver, the complete burner. Remember him? Washington State? Yep. He was a blur on TV. But you know what I noticed in this game? This just may be me. But it was almost like Drake May was in Baker's head. Like Baker has a lot of confidence. And Drake May is just making plays and he's making big throws and they take a league and it's in Tampa and it's Baker's house. And Baker was like running more than he should run. He was, he was, he was was Baker was doing a little too much to me running around in the pocket, looking for the big play downfield. Now, Tampa's a big play offense.

But you, I mean, watching that game, watching Drake May, I kept asking myself, is New England the best team in the AFC? Seriously, are they? Well, I mean, well, they're in first place in their division, you know, with the bills who last week, we thought could win the Super Bowl. And it turns out they just play up for Kansas City and then down to whoever else they're playing. And they got curb stomped today. Today was a big swing in that, in that division. And like you said, I think the knock that people had on New England was they're just not going to have enough speed and skill guys on offense. I did.

Same thing. And I just looked up when you were talking. Kyle Williams ran a 4-4-0 with the combine. You know, Henderson ran a 4-4-3. It feels like when he's in the open field, he plays faster. So you got two young players who, what, I think Henderson had a 55-yard run a day and a 70-yard run. And Kyle Williams played was like. And he is a big, fast athlete.

Joe Mixen-like. I do think Tampa has been a little house of carts, right? They have a bunch of injuries right now. They're just not quite the same team. Mike Evans is, there's an element to him of like the heartbeat of their offense. When he's in there, he just gives him a safety net. He's almost like what George Kittle is of the 49ers. Now, he's gone.

I mean, they're depending on young wide receivers. I just think Baker feels like I have to carry us. It almost feels like a throwback to a couple years ago. He's kind of had to do that all season, right? I mean, when they started four and oh, it was all the comeback touchdown drives. I thought the bigger, if they could get Henderson going with Kyle Williams, what a stud, Mike Frable is.

I mean, this guy's got a Harbaugh touch, comes in there immediately. I understand their schedule's been easy. But when you watch and play, it's not like they're just easing into these victories. Like that was, we're in control. We have some young explosive players, and we have turned this quarterback immediately into an end. MVP candidates. Yeah, it felt like the Buffalo game.

You're like, oh, New England's better than Buffalo. Like New England after Baker hit Mecca, Abuka, you're like, oh, 7-0-0-Tampa. From that point on, New England was the better football team. Control the game. I've known Sean for a long time, and I like them. And I know a lot of people, I think yourself included, just over the time, like, is this guy good enough for Josh Allen? Today was a moment where you're like, is this guy better than Mike Rable moving forward?

And is this in this situation where is Sean McDermott, If they are a one and done team and all of a sudden, Mike Vrabel's in the second round or somehow was in the third round playing the Chiefs or something, is this going to end the Bill's coach's tenure because of Mike Vrable? He might be that powerful. Well, I think about it. Like Kyle Williams, they haven't played him. I mean, that's been one of the things, everybody, myself included. Kyle Williams is your fastest, most dynamic receiver. He got a ball down the sideline today. It looked like a track meet. It looked like the combine run. You're like, holy sh. He was gone.

And then gone. So the thing is you're a Patriot fan is Williams and Trayvion Henderson. They're just now playing regularly. So it's like, you know, and Ravel, you know, Kyle Williams may not want to block. He's kind of a thin guy. He may not be a blocker. One of the, you hear this all the time. Like, tight ends have to block. Receivers don't, especially the fast ones. And running backs, the gifted ones. So, you know, I bet you that some of this with Vrable is, listen, we're not putting you back there by Drake May if you aren't picking, you know, you're not stopping people in the A gap. Like, we're just putting you on the field because his talent's so remarkable. He just pops when you give him the ball. And I just watched them today.

I'm like, oh, wait a minute, we haven't seen the best of New England because these two players change the offense. I think defensive coaches tend to be like, you know, parents from the 50s or 60s, you know, kind of just. drive in a hard line. You know, most offensive coaches, if this guy, if those two guys had been around Kevin O'Connell, Sean McVeigh, Kyle Shanahan, more than likely some of their deficiencies might have still got them some packages. Defensive guys do not care. They have a, and it's always the tug and pull between offensive and defensive guys when they're on the same staff. You know, when one guy's a head coach, I think offensive coaches, and you've known some over the years, I'm sure that have complained about their defensive head coach.

Vice versa, I think the defensive head coach sometimes wants them to be a little more conservative. There's always kind of a little tug of war there. But I think when you have guys, you know, what Mike Frable does, you know, he does feel a little like he's got the old school hard ass and Belichickie into him. But he also feels kind of like new and relevant the way the guys like him, the way he's hugging up guys. He's kind of got this perfect blend. He just feels pretty damn good. And this team was so bad, not just last year with Gerard Mail for the last couple years of Belichick. I mean, this team wasn't like a one-year train wreck.

It felt like they had about, what, like 36 months of being like the butt of the league, like from a joke standpoint. So what he has done from a culture standpoint, let alone on the field. I mean, Drake May went from like, yeah, he's got some talent to, holy shit, this guy, a pro bowler? Hey, by the way, and today Drake wasn't 75% completion. Todd Bowles is one of the smartest defensive guys in the league. He and Brian Flores dial up some of the nastiest blitzes, and Tampa was on a buy.

That was a hard spot for Drake May. I took Tampa today. It's the one game I lost. I thought on off a buy, second year quarterback, Todd Bowles, Vita Via, you won't be able to run. I'm like, oh, this is going to be a problem. This is a rough spot. And Drake didn't play his best game.

I think he had a pick at one point and wrote it down. and not a great pick. But it's like, listen, Harbaugh, Sean Payton, Mike Frable, just pay $18 million and get the right coach. Don't Brian Schottnheimer, me. Just go, you know, everybody wants to go with coordinators. And don't get me wrong, Ben Johnson or Shane Steichen, we're so respected throughout the league,

and it done so well as coordinator. I mean, we used to on a regular basis every week. Talk about Ben Johnson when he was with the Lions. We're like, who is this guy? This offense is crazy. Shane Steichen first year had Herbert out of college. I mean, Tom Telesco was like, at maybe the smartest offensive coach I've ever been around.

So there are some coordinators that come in. I mean, we know what Stuyken did with Philadelphia. We took over the play calling, and Philadelphia went from meh to Super Bowl. But by and large, you know, there's only a few guarantees in the league, and one of them is you go get these successful coaches. I've said this with Mike McCarthy,

and I don't think he's nearly as good as Peyton, Harbaugh, or Vrabble. Mike McCarthy would clean the jets up. wouldn't be great, but he'd clean them up. They look like a professional. I'd say giants, too, if they're going to fire Davey. Yeah, I mean, McCarthy's a pro. He may be a number two starter. You know, he's not Yoshi, but he's going to give you seven innings.

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And I think everybody thought they should probably add a piece because Kansas City's defense. But they had 90 yards at half. They didn't pick up a first down on third in the first half. And this is a Miami team. We thought quit three weeks ago. We always talk about quarterbacks. you get until the second year, Thanksgiving second year. I think we've just got to be brutally honest with Sean McDermott here.

It's not just Kansas City. There's just too many games where you're just like, I mean, Buffalo should never look like that, ever. They should never look like that. I understand in college when you have two top 10 teams play each other, and then the following week you're playing a two-win team and you're tied at halftime. Like these are 19-year-old guys. This is a team that's now, for the last five years, been one of the top, what,

two or three teams in the entire league. And they've got older players here. I mean, they've got a lot of 27, 28, 29-year-olds. The coach has been there, I think, since 2017. Josh has now been the starter for a long time. It's not just on Sean. It's also, you know, the quarterback, you know, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, they take a lot of that responsibility as well.

So today was embarrassing. I mean, it truly was, it should have been. I think the kicker missed an extra point. It was 14 nothing or 13 nothing before you even blinked. Two had a couple. He threw a beautiful touchdown pass to Jalen Waddle. And it was like, okay, 14 nothing or 13 nothing. Bill starts slow. I've seen them happen and then ended up winning 35 to 20 or something. And they never got out of the malaise. And it started raining. It was probably humid. And they just looked lifeless. Josh threw one of the worst interceptions I've ever seen him throw. I don't know if he's on the wrong page with the wider seat or to the cornerback.

They had an awful fumble early in the game when they were driving. They just looked lost. And that's a type game when your main rival now, who's back, is winning and now has a lead, kind of a commanding lead, because they already beat you and their schedule's so easy. So they're not going away. Andy, you just look big picture. This is going to be the worst team of the Vrabel era for the next couple of years when you factor in how young it is. Right? You just listed a couple guys that just started playing. Their left tackle, it's his rookie year. Their quarterback is a second year. This is the first year the coaching staffs together. So like there are always pointing up. And I think it kind of reflects that the bills can really get up for the chiefs. And for whatever reason, I remember hearing like Houston Rockets, maybe because Kenny Smith say, you know the sad part is right when we got good, Jordan retired, they could never stop the team. And we always played the Bulls well. And if we ever saw them, we would have stopped that streak because they would have had no shot because they would have.

had no center. We were a team that we played them really well. In basketball, it happens a lot, right? Your matchup, football kind of happens sometimes, but if you're good enough, whatever, for whatever reason, the bills matchup, because their pass rush is good, they treat that game in the regular season like the Super Bowl. They just look like the best team in the league when they play the Chiefs. Before and after, then they look much more pedestrian. Today, though, was, I don't know, I mean, I felt like it was one of the more embarrassing performances of the Allen, Sean McDermott little area. Oh, I think it may be the most.

I thought it may be, they lost a few years ago at home on the opener to the Steelers, and they were a favorite. And I was like, what in the hell is that? I thought that game against the Saints this year, it was competitive. I was like, oh, what would bother me today is that Miami in the first half, average six and a half yards of play. So, in my take is, it would be one thing if the offense sputtered, your defensive coach. John, I've been on this forever.

What do you do with your side of the ball? That wasn't just Josh Allen. That defense had no energy. That defense, I mean, they generated this incredible pass rush against Kansas City. And really, I mean, two is one of the easiest guys to rush in the league. And he had time to throw. They ran the ball. Do you think New England, are you taking New England as we sit here today?

Do you think New England's more likely to win? New England's got the better coach. I think New England, now with Williams and Trayvon Henderson, it's like, oh, I feel like New England now is on the up. Like, they're an ascending team. I don't think Buffalo is. I mean, we forget before that Kansas City game. I mean, we'd seen them, Buffalo go to Atlanta and get worked. I mean, they've had that Saints game they won at home was troubling. Like, they've had a lot of, somebody told me this in the league at the beginning of the year. They said, that Buffalo doesn't have nearly the roster people give it credit for. They're like James Cook, Josh Allen, Oliver, the defensive lineman. Who's hurt? Who's hurt? They're like, you know, Dawkins, the left tackle. I was talking to an exec in the league, and he's like, you know, he goes, the better

rosters are the Rams and the Eagles and the Lions and the Packers and Kansas City. Ravens. He's like, Buffalo's roster is not that good. Josh, left tackle quarterback running back, interior D-Lineman. That's where they went and got Bosa. I mean, they've drafted a lot of draft capital on their defense. That's where they went and got Bosa, who played well against, you know, Kansas City. But, okay, Seattle 44, Arizona 22, it was 35-0.

So, you know, it's just impossible to keep that up. And Donald had a couple of just, like, funny, like bizarre turnovers that ball bounces off a tight end's helmet. You know, I'm going to throw this to you. I got Pete Carroll and John Snyder, you know this, battled. They battled. And there was a little tug-of-war on Pete's kid and John Snyder. And I'm not going to go into too many details, but Pete and John, John almost left for Detroit. Remember that years ago? Because he wanted his final say, well, since Pete's been, out of the building, John Snyder's two drafts have been A-plus A-plus. He is now doing, and I think John, Jason Light, Howie Roseman, Howie's a dealmaker. I'm not sure there's many guys better

than John Snyder. It's just personnel, college personnel drafting it. There's not a lot of guys better. Again, I think Jason Light and Tampa's are really good. That's Seattle roster. I wrote this down. Young, fast, physical. You can turn the sound down, John, against Washington and against Arizona. It looks like a college mismatch. They are so fast. They are so physical. Donald's in total control of the offense. Play action, run game, deep game. I don't see the hole. I really don't see the hole with this team. They drafted that safety. That kid's a banger, the South Carolina safety. I don't see the weakness with the team. I think the point of difference they have. They obviously play the Rams this upcoming week, which is an incredible game,

is their DBs are good and the Rams aren't. I think that's the difference because the offenses are both elite, pass rushes are awesome, coaching staffs high end. If you and me were the NFL, like, in college, how they have the college football committee and you rank them one through 12, I would rank Seattle after this week, number one. They would be my number one team. And you just, if you just watch them without the sound on, obviously today, but over the last couple weeks. The team speed in which they had, I think the L-O-B team with Pete was probably the most physical team I've ever seen live. I do think the fastest team I've ever seen live is the Peyton Manning, Denver Broncos, their defense. Every single guy could run fast. A defensive lot,

it was Demarcus Ware, Vaughn Miller, Wolfe, Malik Jackson, Trevathan. They had Akeb to leap. Their speed and physicality was just, I've never seen anything, and I've saw him live a bunch of times. This team has some similarities to those two teams. Younger. Kind of taken the league by storm. Every guy, I mean, like you said, Emin Worry, he's like six, he is their potential Kyle Hamilton, but they already had some good D.Bs, right? They drafted the kid Witherspoon from Illinois. They already had Wulin. Obviously, their linebacker play is fast once they got Ernest Jones.

Their head coach, I mean, we talk so much and rightfully so about these. offensive coaches. He's got a chance to be pretty special. His demeanor, he has a very modern demeanor. You know, like when you watch Vrable, Vrable is not the throwback of like what I grew up on guys screaming. He doesn't. He's not as, maybe he's a player's coach. Yeah, when the doors are shut, I think he's on him in the meetings. But on the sideline, he's very common collected. I would say Mike McDonald, it almost feels like, is he on a couple of zanis or something? Like he shows, because he knows, like he is, he is very, and his team reflects that. And I would say this, their personnel move of trading Gino and signing Sam is got a chance to be an all-timer.

I mean, that's got a chance to be, because they didn't give Sam, I mean, he's going to end up probably, I mean, he's not going anywhere for a while. They gave him $100 million over three years. I mean, it's relative to the other contracts we've seen, Colin, around quarterbacks. Well, it's $55 million guaranteed. So the salary, the cap hit is just nothing. JSN looks like Jerry Rice. I knew the guy was good, but this year he is, it's like Puka. By the way.

Right when, but this guy was, we knew more about JSN than Puka because of Ohio State and first round pick. But you knew after a couple weeks, Puka was a rookie. Like, is this real? And then it just never stopped. You know, JSN like, is he really this good? And every single week, it's like he's unstopped. Well, and JSN was like a five-star recruit. first round. I think he was a first round receiver.

Pick 20, I think. Yeah, the only question was, is he a one? Everybody knew he was really good. Now you're like, yeah, he's just, contested catches, speed. Then they go get Rashid Shahid from New Orleans. And, you know, he now has the offensive coordinator that he had in New Orleans. Now he's in Seattle.

Again, this is a big play offense. What I like about Seattle, they can grind you down if they have a lead. They can run the football if they have a lead. They're a big play offense. They can play from behind. You know, I'm just, I'm writing this down throughout the course of the game, JSN first receiver to a thousand. It's not that weird with Seattle where they average six and a half to seven yards

of play. Like it happens regularly. And there is something to be said of trusting your eyes. I think this is now, even more than Mike McDonald. I think it's John Snyder's organization. And I've texted Snyder a couple times. He travels. I mean, he's at every weekend.

He is a, you got to go to these games. Like they always say, to sell a company, you have to take a thousand meetings. John Snyder's on a plane every weekend. He doesn't scout off the TV or film. He wants to go to the games. And, I mean, they're just in an, when I watch them play, I'm like, when you're a big play offense and your quarterback has mobility, so you can go down the field, the quarterback, you can move the pocket, you can grind people with a lead.

You know, it's like Detroit if Goff had mobility, and that's the whole, like Goff doesn't. But Detroit's a big playoffence and can grind you down. Just think of Detroit's offense, and then if Jared Goff could move, you'd be like, shit, what do you do? But we've seen Detroit do that for three years. I think Seattle, like, if you don't pay attention like we do, obviously people that do this for a living. Shit, man, they're, they're embarrassing teams. These, how often do you get a 35-0

lead in the first half of a pro football game? And Arizona had been playing well. Even their record's not that great. They have been in every single game they played this year. They controlled Dallas a week ago. They easily could be, you know, coming into this game. They could have been six and three. I would say the thing with John Snyder, when you think about, we talk about offensive coaches, you're like, if JJ can't play for Kevin O'Connell, that's a JJ issue, not a have an issue. If you can't play for Kyle Shanahan, that's a U-issue. And that skill is why those guys are going to be paid at the top of the market until they retire from the NFL. John Schneider, he was the guy that pounded the table against Pete Carroll for Russell Wilson

and ultimately got him to relent and draft him. Obviously, that changed the course of their franchise. When they pivoted off Russell, and remember, John wanted to do it earlier, try to trade him to the Cleveland Brown so he could draft Josh Allen. That's who he was going to take. Then he trades for Gino or he gets Gino as a backup. And they were cool with like, I think we can handle this for a little bit. And he was right. Gino was actually, and they got Drew Locke. Remember, they won a Monday night football game against the Eagles with Drew Locke, who is the worst of this whole group. And then he pivots to Sam Darnold. Like, I would say as a quarterback evaluator, John Snyder's as good as it gets from a GM perspective. And if that's going to be the guy that you're going to invest most of your money into as a franchise, his skill, let alone his ability to build the team. I mean, this is now like how many different. iterations of the team. The LOB team, remember, then they transitioned in the late 2010s. They were still good. They weren't going to Super Bowls, but they were never, they didn't have four-win seasons. They were winning nine to 11 games. And now, I mean, what do they look like to you, a 14-win team? If Devonte Adams, who kind of hurt his back at the end of the game, we'll have to monitor that

throughout the week. I think that's going to be a tough, way tough match for Stafford. I do too. I would take it. I think the advantage. of Darnold's mobility. I really think in these close games, your ability to roll the pocket and make plays, I think it matters because both those defensive fronts, especially the Rams get a pass rush, I'll take the mobile quarterback. One more thing, you know, in the NFL, not all these teams have huge home field advantages. One of the advantages not having to get on a plane, so it's easier on guys' body.

Seattle, Arrowhead, Buffalo, there's a short list. So if they can get the number one seed or home field, it's a big advantage in Philly. That place is hard to play in. If Seattle can get home playoff games, maybe, because remember, everyone beat up Sam, and he didn't play well those last two games, but they were both on the road in Detroit, which is obviously a hard place to play. It was the biggest game. That was the biggest Lions game at home in probably 20 years.

I would say I'm 40 years old in my lifetime. It didn't get any bigger. And he played bad. And then remember the playoff game, because they lose, they're supposed to come to the Rams, have to play in Arizona because of the fires. If they get home playoff games, I'm going to like Sam Darnold's chances more because I think people are like, what's he going to do in the playoffs? I'm like, I don't know. I think he'll be okay this time if they're going to book like this. Well, it's a long flight. It's right in the Puget Sound. And that, I grew up there. It's a wet, cold rain. It's windy. It's on the sound. It's tough.

And Darnold, by the way, it's got a big arm. And they run the ball. Darnold's ball is going to split through the cold weather. Like if you come up there, you better be ready to throw it because that ball, it's windy. and wet in the Pacific Northwest. I want to talk about this game. It was the first game today in overtime. Colts come back, 31, 24 over the Falcons. Two things jumped out to me. One will get to later. Panics off target throws.

There must have been eight to ten, like really off, off target. I will say this, though. The Coltsill line was not good. God, Atlanta had seven sacks. So Daniel Jones, but he looked like the old Daniel Jones. Like the fumble issues reverted and he just, even when he got bumped out of bounce once, he has a major fumble issue. But between, you got to give Chris Ballard credit because they were missing some people today. Jonathan Taylor right now is probably the best back in the league.

Warren is a pro bowler at tight end. He made a huge, huge catch late in the fourth quarter. I almost thought they won to spite Daniel Jones today. I really felt that. I totally agree. I thought I'm watching the game at the gym the second half because early, it was easier to get up because it starts at 730 when the clock's moved back for me. And Indy came out and just rolling. And I was like, ah, they're going to, they're going to blow him out. And then they started blitzing Daniel Jones. He started, I mean, he had some bad, he had an awful fumble where he just gets he had a couple of horrible, he had three sacks in this game where he looked like a rookie. It's like, Daniel, get rid of the ball. It felt like they played like 1990.

96 football are running back and our tight ends going to carry us. We're not going to throw these bombs to Alec Pierce. We don't have any time to protect. And Jonathan Taylor, I thought today officially, like, threw his hat in the ring. Like, he's an MVP candidate. If this team's going to win 13 or 14 games, like you're going to run for 2000. He single-handedly carried him and Warren. I mean, those two combination of those two guys, I thought might have ended.

If you tell me we wake up in the morning and Rahim Morris has been fired. It was because of those two guys today in Germany. So I'm with you. It's that the Warren pick, God, he is, his ball skills for a guy that big. I mean, Daniel Jones throws it up in his vicinity. Who can cover him? There's DBs and linebackers aren't six foot five. You can't get up that.

The one you're talking about, he is so high with his arms. Yeah, he's probably, I mean, how high do you think that ball is? Seven feet in the air when he talk about his arms extended? And the Jonathan Taylor runs, what are you supposed to do? I mean, he's a dominant force. But that's a big win. because it felt like they were falling apart. And then Atlanta takes – and then you're like, God, they just traded a first-round pick

and sauce getting cooked. He dropped a pick. You're like, this is not going well. I thought they're going to lose this game, and the headline's going to be you just traded two first-round picks for a guy that everyone says can't catch out of ball, just go right through his body. And then basically a two-point conversion, he's falling on the ground. You know, it's like this guy, if he can't cover Drake Lundee.

Daniel Jones does deserve credit. He had that last drive. He had a – he was pretty good late in the fourth quarter. that throw to warn was a big time throwing a big time catch. So Daniel, and maybe at a hand-sized thing, Daniel had a fumble problem in New York, and it reared its head again today. So he's had a, in fact, let me look this up. His turnovers, the last two weeks, have been absolutely atrocious. I think he's going to be a guy in the first round, you know, let's say they're the two-seed. They're going to, depending on who they're playing in some of these playoff matches, I think a lot of

people are going to bet against. And the headline is going to be, I do. not trust Daniel Jones in this playoff game. Seven giveaways in his last two games. So it's a natural regression, though. I don't want to overreact because he was virtually perfect. And now all of a sudden, the Colts O line, probably, I didn't check their O line health, but probably missing a starter, got worked a little today. Atlanta created great pressure.

I mean, the Colts O' line struggled. Atlanta's defense in defense of them. them is actually not bad, and their pressure this year has been pretty good. They drafted a couple guys in the first round. They have been feisty up front. Honestly, the offense, you had mentioned Pennix. He has not looked good. You know, Bo Nix has taken a lot of shit, and I'd say Pennix looks every bit as bad as him. His team's not as good, but he's skipping ball. And I'm a Pennix guy or was. So am I. I probably have to be out. It's just not going to work. Because a lot of people I know in the Lee, Colin, we're not Pennix people.

Well, no, I, and it's funny because I, listen, third game this season for Pennix under 180 passing yards, third game in a row under 60% completion. Remember, he's 25 years old. So he should be, he's had a lot of snaps between Indiana and Washington. He's had a lot of snaps. I mean, it feels like to me, he also had, you know, he had 45 starts in college. I thought he was more naturally accurate. Like, I just thought he was one of those guys like C.J. Stroud.

Justin Herbert. He just throws strikes. You know, he's just a pitcher that throws strikes. And he misses a lot. And I mean, John, wild left. He must have to skip four balls today. So it's not because he doesn't have the weapons. I mean, he's got two really good receivers.

He got a starboard. I think their offense in line's okay. He gets decent protection. Again, it's eye test. I don't love what I see. Now, again, he did not play last year, so I do feel like some, is he hurrying stuff? And I do think he feels like he's hurrying stuff. But, you know, there's some wild pitches here pretty regularly. Well, remember he didn't get, what was he sack, like six times his senior year at Washington, the year that they went to the national championship. Remember, he didn't get touched. His offensive line won the whatever the Moore Award is. and you get hit a lot more in the NFL. And I feel like once he gets hit, it kind of throws him off.

But 12 of 28 in an NFL game against a defense. He wasn't playing the Denver Broncos today. One thing about Indianapolis, I wouldn't exactly call them the 85 bears on defense. Well, they had Sauce Gardner, but there's a reason they went and got him. Like their defensive secondary, John, was all beat up. They were missing two starters. So I think the Pennix thing, ultimately what is going to get Rahim Morris and everyone in Atlanta fired, and it would be.

most people fired. When you lose in the NFL because you've whiffed on the quarterback, they paid Kirk Cousins $90 million for two years. Yep. You know, he has an under 500 record, and I think his Tepsdown Interception ratio is essentially one to one and got benched year one. And they're paying almost $30 million to be the backup.

Mack Jones is making, I think, $3 million this year. Kirk Cousins is making $27.5. Cousins started one game and they got destroyed. That's a problem. And then the reason you paid him, and then a month later you draft this. guy, you're like, we love this guy. And you're watching these other courts, even J.J. McCarthy, who I don't really like. I see more like his physical attributes. I'm watching Pennix. I'm like,

where is this arm? He had Ryan Grubb. Listen, Ryan Grub in Seattle and the pros. He'd never coached in the pros. He'd never coach in the pros. I watched Ryan Grub in college. I mean, he had Ty Simpson last yesterday slinging that thing against LSU. I go, Ryan Grub's a big time coach. And I watch him with Zach Robinson coaching. Sometimes in the NFL, you're going to get some, not every guy is Bill Walsh. And Pennix feels like they got no clue what's going on. He's playing bad. It feels like he's lost his confidence. And like you said, he's not an upside guy.

He was, this was my issue with them signing cousins. If you love Pennix at the Combine or whatever, he is a ready-made plug-and-play player. He's not, let's, uh, Aaron Rogers had to fix the ball placement. Penix was just, he plays like he's played probably since junior high.

He just, the problem is, it's not translate. I knew so many scouts that, because I've just, again, I'm a West Coast guy, root for him. They were a fun team to watch. This guy's really grown up. I think he's going to be a good NFL player. Most people that went through there, obviously the injuries,

but they said when you watch them live, when you go to practice, his physical attributes, you know, he threw a beautiful deep ball in college, and they threw a lot of bombs because they had obviously great wide receiver talent. Polk. Yeah. Yeah. You know, Rome and McMillan that plays for, I mean, they had three NFL wide receivers. And Rome, when it's not freezing cold.

pretty damn good. And you watch them in the pros, like you said, Mooney, Pitz is actually pretty good now. Obviously, Drake London is a high-end one. Bejon can catch the ball. 12 completions against the Colts? It's just, that's, that's bad. Today I thought was like, this is, this thing is, needs to be nuked again. Football seasons here. And if you want to go to an NFL or college football game, game time is the place for you. The game time app just gives you. you the advantage back to you, the fans. It's a hack for unlocking amazing tickets and experiences and a few taps. I love it. Easy to use. The game time guarantee means you can trust you'll get 100% authentic tickets on time and at the best price, 100%. So they even let you preview your seat

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They're kind of facing a lot of these wobbly teams. So I think Ohio State's the best team, Bama second. So Cailin de Borgo, 67 and 3 at Sioux Falls. Okay, 25 and 3 at Washington. Fresno State briefly. Then he goes 17 and 5 at Bama so far. And one of his losses was to Ohio State in a playoff. Nobody was beating them.

Go ass Tennessee. And he lost the game at Oklahoma, night game. They played like shit, got into a big hole, whatever. But Bama does not have a lot of NIL money. And even though he replaced Sabin, he did have to change the culture. And you know this, John. You can replace a good coach. It doesn't matter.

You're still bringing in what you may run a completely different offense. the head coach probably took his defensive coordinator or offensive coordinator. You have to build the staff. It doesn't matter if you're replacing Sabin. It's hard. You know, guys are leaving. You're bringing in new people. You don't know half your roster.

You haven't watched film when you get that job on your roster. You don't know what you have. I like Ty Simpson. 6-2-2-10. Not a big physical presence. Not super-mobile. Good arm. Not special.

He may get drafted number one, two, or three. And I think Ty Simpson's okay. I don't see the wow trait. But he was a good high school player. I mean, he didn't do it. First three years at Alabama, he was 29 or 55, no touchdowns. He didn't blow people away. I think, and you look at Bama's schedule, I think maybe the Pennix thing is, his coach is a freaking rock star.

Yeah. I think a lot of it is not just grub. I think it's Kalin DeBore because I watch Ty Simpson and everybody's in love with him. And I'm like, I don't know. I don't know. Well, I don't get what's, well, I don't get the great. thing. I think they're a powerful duo because last year something was off with with Bama. In fairness, they had a quarterback that I would say Jalen Milro doesn't exactly scream

Kaelin DeBore, you know, and, you know, so he gets a much more of a pocket passer. Even last night, that DC for LSU is actually pretty good, Blake Baker. He's been awesome for them. As they start hitting Ty Simpson, you look like he's not handling this very well. He's getting crushed. Nope. Ryan Grubb is when him and Kaelin DeBore are together, they are borderline unstoppable. I mean, who's, I would say, the only guy that's beat him in recent memory is like, you know, the Florida State thing, give him a little bit of a pass. I mean, they went to Georgia and beat Kirby in Athens. For sure. And if they played Florida State. If they played Florida State today, they'd beat him by 50. So it's like, that was one of those.

That's probably the most, you know, bad game looking back in five years, how the hell did it? that happened. But I do think that Kalin, when he's had Ryan Grub with him, that offense is an unstoppable. Because last year, I think their quarterback coach who kind of went back down, who's also been with the crew. You know, it's just sometimes it's difficult. This guy has been calling plays. But Kalin last night, what he's done with Ty Simpson, I mean, Ryan Williams was supposed to be like they're Justin. He's not even their best wide receiver. They got multiple other guys. I think one concerning part, I like Texan him more than you. I think if Texan N played Indiana on a mutual, on like the quival of what's going to happen in the playoffs, I would like their chances in that.

But we're going to learn a lot more about them. They play Texas coming up. They're going to be in the SEC championship game against Alabama against Georgia. We'll really learn how good they are. I think they're pretty good. But I think Alabama's offensive passing game with those two guys. I mean, LSU, that was their last Hail Mary of a respectable game. That's a rivalry game.

McElroy said on the broadcast, he said this is by far the most physical game you play at Alabama. this game means so much. Auburn's the rival, but LSUs are equal in terms of we recruit the same guys. Now in the transfer portal, I'm sure they're looking at the same guys to recruit. But I think Kail and DeBore, I questioned moving around, right, the personnel or the personality, West Coast, Dakota guy in the South. That was my question. Midwest guy going to the South.

I know Jim McElwain, you go to the South. It's just different. It's relentless. It's kind of, it's not realistic. And you're replaced, it's like replacing Howard Stern. FM radio. You're replacing Saban, and people just don't understand that you've got to redo the staff. And Bama can't now afford. Bama is struggling to keep up with NIL. When you watch Bama today, I think A&M's got as good athletes or better. I think Texas has as many good athletes.

When Saban was there pre-NIL, you'd watch Bama, and Georgia was the only school that matched up, that even looked apart. There's six or seven teams in college that looked like Bama now, the same level of Ohio State's got better players than Alabama. Do you know what they respect though in the SEC? Do you win? I mean, do you win? And now he's winning and no one cares. So if you win, whether you're from the Dakotas, whether you're from Fresno or whether

you're from Egypt, they don't give a shit. Now, I also think they, the Sabin personality is kind of what he was winning. And he had just this, he was a tornado of Alpha. I mean, for a guy that's five foot 11, it's not like Sabin is built like Mike Verbalt. But everyone quivers when he walks in the room. That's not really DeBoer's thing. I knew people that played for him at Fresno State. They're like, you know, he's much more like intellectually quiet.

They're like, Jeff Tedford is much more of a hard ass screaming at you. That's not really DeBore's demeanor. So it's clearly, and maybe that demeanor of Sabin, it doesn't work as much unless, you know, he was unique because he had a resume. Him and Urban Meyer, like those days are kind of over. Dan Lannning, players coach. Lane Kiffin, what kind of players coach? You know, Signetti's kind of. of a throwback, but I would imagine players love playing for him. So, yeah, what he's done at Alabama,

that's pretty been, it's been fun to watch because I thought Ty Simpson, like, this little guy, I remember watching Florida State thinking, this is not going to work. You're watching them last night just sling touchdowns. Wow, what a job. By the way, that Fernando Mendoza throw to beat Penn State in the back of the end zone, that final drive may have been the throw of the year, the toe of the year. I came out of that game. I think Indiana's really well coached. I think Mendoza is a really good college quarterback. And they've got playmakers. I don't know what the ranking was on these recruits, but they just have a lot of football players. They have like, when you watch Indiana's defense, I don't know if they have a bunch of NFL guys. It's just a

bunch of highly productive, tough-nosed football players to tackle really well. They're in the right spot. I don't know if they're four and five star guys. They don't look necessarily the part, but they don't miss a lot of tackles. They got worked in the second half. Penn State moved the ball up and down the field on Indiana. You could tell Penn State had more four and five star guys. That offense with a backup quarterback just ran past chunk plays up and down. But I'll give Fernando Mendoza credit. That final drive, he made a couple of great throws. And you get why. I mean, And like, that's, when you watch a college quarterback like that, that throw the back of the end zone was high. So only one guy in the stadium could catch it.

You know, in the NFL, you throw to the end zone, you throw low, front of the end zone, high back of the end zone. And I watched that. I'm like, that's an NFL throw. That's a big time throw. A little more graceful probably, Omar Kelly Jr. But it had a little Montana Dwight Clark in the back of the end zone. You just put it up in the back of the end zone off the back foot. I do think, you know, you look at Mendoza, you look at Don Fe,

say more on his game-winning drive. Yes. I had a theory yesterday. It was kind of blown up once Washington lost to Wisconsin. But do you think Oregon and Washington are more equipped to play some of these late October-November games? They practice in the spring and now at home in colder weather than, let's say, USC and UCLA. So when they're going to some of these games, it's not going to be colder. But they're used to practicing if they want to practice outside and wet and cold.

No. USC and that Iowa weather? I wouldn't, I wouldn't. They lose that game 10 out of 10 times. They could not win in that game. I mean, I said when Oregon and Washington came in, I'm from there. That is Big Ten weather. It's wetter than cold.

But, I mean, Seattle and Eugene, November, it's raining sideways. So I think Oregon's personnel, they're more than equipped to handle it. I thought that was a gut check when Oregon was missing. I think their top three receivers. I could be wrong. Yeah, they were. And an offensive lineman, I think, too. They were a mess.

I mean, they basically in the second half until that final drive, they were just like, we're just going to run the football. We just want to get out of here. We got a lead. We just want to get out of the stadium healthy. So they were falling apart at wide receiver. And I think that's a much harder win than people think. You go to Iowa, Iowa, you know, it's Iowa's got a good old line.

Iowa can run the ball. Iowa's got six pros. They always have six pros on their team. and it's pissing, raining sideways. I thought it was a really impressive Oregon win. I think winning on the road in college in the Big Ten in the SEC, like winning at Auburn is very impressive. Winning at Iowa in November 8th is a great win.

Not a good win, a great. That feels like one of the better Oregon regular season wins in a long, long time. Like that was, if you come away, anything, oh, it's Iowa. They're going to win nine games, but who do they beat? Well, they probably got four guys on defense. they're going to start in the NFL. They have one of the more respected programs from GMs and coaches in the NFL. And they win eight or nine games for a reason in that conference.

Like, they're a well, and how cold it is. This is what I say about the Caleb Williams thing today. I don't think people realize you're in Chicago. What was the weather today? I mean, is it snowing? I woke up with snow on my lawn. It's, it's, you know how hard is to play football in that? I just, how cold your feet are, your hands are, as skill guys.

that was the throw Mendoza made some huge throws on that final drive. I would say Dante Moore's. That throw he made down the right side line. Yes. Those couple throws from Mendoza and Moore's throw there. That's as good as you get. That's as good as it gets. No, I mean, to me, Dante Moore and Mendoza have separated.

Those are the two best college quarterbacks. If they come out, they're one and two in some order. I like Dante Moore's wiggle. He moves really well. Really impressive. All right, John, hard rock bet. I have not been good on Monday Night Football. I've got a great year blazing five.

I keep taking all these favorites in Monday night football. So Green Bay, Lambo at home, minus now one and a half. I like Philadelphia in the points. I liked it when it was two and a half better than one and a half. But it's off a buy. I felt last time they played Philadelphia really found themselves. I like their roster. I think my concern with Green Bay is,

what are they? They've got some key injuries now. Tucker Kraft gone for the year. I think he's a Pro Bowl tied end. Reed's been banged up. I think Philadelphia has found their identity, and I'm not sure Green Bay offensively knows what there is. I like Philadelphia to win outright.

I've been going against you on Monday night, but I'm going to ride with you. I think there's a chance if the Eagles are up 14 to 3 or 14 to 7 going. I think you get some booze. I think there is growing pressure on LaFleur, losing these games that they should win as big favorites. Now, like you said, the Eagles don't only, how often do the Eagles fly under the radar coming into a big game? But they've added Jalen Phillips, they added a couple corners, Jaila Alexander. I'm with you.

I like the Eagles in this spot because I think the pressure is all on Green Bay. All right, buddy, great job. See you, Colin. Hey, guys, it's us, the Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas.

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