The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast - Bills Beat Jets On MNF, Aaron Rodgers Last Year? The “Cowboys Circus”

Episode Date: October 15, 2024

Colin reacts to the Bills beating the Jets 23-20 on the road on Monday Night Football! Despite some officiating issues, Colin believes the Bills definitely deserved to win the game (3:15) and based on his body language and the beating he’s taking… believes this will be the last season for Aaron Rodgers as an NFL quarterback (9:00)  Then, Colin is joined by Cowboys insider and host of the “Doomsday Podcast” Matt Mosley to talk all things Cowboys. They start by breaking down their below average roster (21:00) and why Jerry Jones being unwilling to take a back seat for personnel decisions hurts the team (23:00). They dissect Dak Prescott’s struggles and why he’s not able to overcome the roster deficiencies created by his huge contract (27:00). They debate whether the Cowboys head coaching job is actually a “good job” (30:00) and Colin asks whether the poor product on the field has led to apathy from the fans (32:15). Finally, Colin argues that the 49ers are actually “America’s Team” in recent years (42:30), and they discuss whether Dak gets too much credit while Tony Romo didn’t get enough (53:15). (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates!  #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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He's and Edwarder have been doing the Doomsday podcast. forever. So third week in a row, Aaron Rogers had the ball late with a chance to win, Denver, Minnesota, and now Buffalo, and could not get it done. You know, I've said this for years. The strangest stat about Aaron Rogers is how few come from behind wins he has, considering how many big, close games he's been in. The Jets lead the NFL and penalty yards are second and total penalties, 22 total penalties between the two teams tonight. Did not love the officiating. I thought there were two calls that really bothered me. The one, when Aaron Rogers tucked it, got hit, fumble would have been huge for Buffalo. They called it an incomplete pass. Didn't like that call at all. Also, a Jets pass interference wiped out with an unnecessary roughness against Buffalo. Did not like that call at all. I don't complain about officiating. All right, I don't. That's what you do. Your fans, I get it. I don't. But I thought I didn't like either of those calls. And again, this game came down.

So I had predicted before the year, Buffalo will win this division for what, the fifth straight year, mostly because of Josh Allen. And then the Jets, New England will stink. They'll be fourth. And the Jets, Miami will go down to the end of the season battling for the playoffs, the final weekend. And I said, I don't know if I had either one of them in the playoffs. I don't think I had the Jets in the playoffs. And I don't, I may have had Miami, but I think they'll go down to the final week. I think if Tua comes back here and plays the rest of the season, Miami will heat up.

So the jets are now two and four. Bills are four and two. So it's working out. The Jets are fine, though. Don't overreact. They've got Justin Fields coming up. They've got Drake May around the corner. They got Anthony Richardson coming up.

They've got a stretch of really weak quarterbacks. And Aaron's planned pretty well. As the Bills won tonight, 2320, there were opportunities for both teams. But when you get into these games like tonight, these big division games, it doesn't matter if it's Cincinnati playing Baltimore. Lamar Jackson was the difference. You know, when you watch these big divisional games, it's the quarterback making a play. And two plays at the end of this game by the Bills, and they made the two big plays in the game. Actually, three. The Rapp, the safety for the Bills Rapp, who went to the University of Washington, good player, bounced around, had some injuries in his career.

Physical, physical safety broke up what appeared to be. potential catch by the Jets. Huge, huge play-by-rap. Then Taran Johnson, with one of the best interceptions I've ever seen, it felt like Ed Reed. I hope everybody understands how great of a play that was by Taran Johnson of Buffalo. He literally had to do a U-turn, turn, turn around. Mike Williams slipped on one of his only targets tonight, and Johnson held on to the ball. That is an all-time play.

That's Ed Reed. That is incredible. So those two plays by the defense, then Josh Allen running for the first down. And again, it's very Lamar Jackson. It's very Mahomes. It's just an ad-libbed play where a supreme athlete outrun somebody else to the sticks, and that's the ballgame. There's not a lot of blame to go around.

I mean, obviously the Jets got rid of Nat Hackett, and the offense looked better. That's what Robert Sala wanted to do and got fired. Robert Sala, the best coach on the staff, got fired. He's a defensive guy, and I don't think the jet defensive play was as good tonight. It wasn't as tight. So if Sala would have remained the coach and been allowed to demote Nat Hackett, that could have been the ballgame. I think Saul is the best coach on the staff. But, you know, Bill Belichick took a shot at Woody Johnson, and Belichick's had a much greater career than Woody Johnson, certainly in football. And he was talking to Eli and Peyton Manning

on the Manning cast, and he said, you know, ready, fire, aim, which is kind of an old line used around the NFL for disorganized and impulsive owners. And that's really what the Jets are. Robert Saw it to me should not have been fired. It makes everybody feel good when you fire the coach. He's the best coach on that staff. The defense was not as tight tonight. Listen, I got reams and notes here. You know, I mean, it's 2320. Let's be honest. Let's be fair here. The Hail Mary, you get about one of those every four years as a quarterback. that Hail Mary makes it 2017 at half, or it's 2010 bills at half. So that's a bit of a break. I felt like the bills earned the win more than the Jets earn keeping it close.

It's a Hail Mary. It's called that for a reason. Also, you know, the fumble that wasn't a fumble on the Aaron Rogers passing, tucking it back, didn't love that. It's not like there weren't any calls that didn't go, you know, against the Jets tonight. but I, you know, Josh Allen, you know, in the second quarter, that scrambling play to Matt Hollins. I mean, that was just an incredible touchdown pass to him to put the bills up 1310, but the scramble play and throw to Davis earlier, it's just so unique. Josh is such a unique all-time talent. Also, you know, the Jets missed two field goals tonight.

So this thing's just, you know, I feel really feel like. watching Aaron Rogers struggle in late-game situations, the owner being impulsive, the field goal kicker missing two kicks tonight, and Aaron, the last couple of weeks, he's gotten a crap hit out of him. He's taking shots. This feels like Aaron Rogers last season. I just don't know. It's a circus. He's going to get blamed for this.

We have to be honest. You can blame whoever you want. It's now Aaron's team. And Denver, Minnesota, and the bills tonight. He was the second best quarterback on the field in long stretches against the Vikings in the first half, certainly. And he was the second best quarterback on the field tonight. And I do think Aaron is playing for his age at a really pretty high level. But he's taking hits.

They've already had to demote his offensive coordinator. They've fired his coach. You're looking around. And remember, Aaron was in Green Bay. Well, they just don't do any of that stuff. They don't do any of that stuff. So he goes from a really shrewd, patient, winning culture in Green Bay. I mean, he's now, he's been injured.

They fired his coach. They demote his buddy. He's getting rocked. I just don't see him coming back. I don't. It just everything, you just, it's the drip, drip, drip effect. It just wears on Aaron, who's not terribly patient anyway. And by the way, I don't think any of us are. I think as I've gotten older, I'm less patient than I was years ago. You get into a certain standard. You want things done a certain way. I'm probably much less patient than I was in my 20s or 30s. So, you know, Aaron's eye rolls. I mean, he was frustrated on that bench. You got a kicker missing two kicks in the biggest game for the Jets who are now two and four. I think they'll be fine. I think they're going to finish. I said, I thought they'd be like a nine and eight, 10 and 17 team. That's about where they're going to finish. And Buffalo's going to end.

end up with probably 11 to 12 wins. And not only did the Hail Mary make this game closer than it would have been, but the Jets wins this year are against Will Levis and the Titans and Jacoby Brissette and the Patriots. And teams that start 2 and 4 have only an 11% chance to make the playoffs. So the Hail Mary, you know, you trail 20 to 10 at half. it may never cinch up. Buffalo's the better team. Buffalo's got the better quarterback.

Buffalo made the three big plays at the end of the game. Buffalo keeps winning this division. If you start four and two, that's the bills. You make the playoffs 64% of the time, and they will. You know, they didn't have their best running back tonight, James Cook. So, and to go on the road, have a couple of calls go against him and just make the three biggest plays of the game. Buffalo made all of them.

Rap, Tehran Johnson, Josh Allen. Boom, boom, boom. Three biggest plays of the game, in order, late. And that's why the bills are going to win the division again. A hell of a football game for Monday night. I mean, the officiating drove me nuts. But that was a, we've been very lucky this year. We've had, you know, Atlanta a couple weeks ago,

overtime win. We've had really, really good standalone. games. Really good standalone games. And I will say this about the officiating. I think about this sometimes. In standalone games, sometimes I feel like the officials are trying to make a point. They know everybody's watching. And so on that roughing, unnecessary roughness against Buffalo that wiped out the passenger from the Jets, would that be called in the one o'clock window? Maybe, maybe not. But I felt like it was one of those things. The leagues watching, we're not going to tolerate the extra sauce.

We're just not going to tolerate it. I feel like sometimes in standalone games, I feel like the NFL does that in the preseason, like they will over-call a new rule just to make it very clear to the players. We're not going to allow this or tolerate this. I felt like tonight a couple of times, they were trying to make a point. The Buffalo Bills. So right now in the AFC, Josh Allen leads his division. Lamar Jackson leads his division. Lamar would be my MVP. C.J. Stroud leads his division. Mahomes leads his. Easy to predict. Four for four. I'm sure you probably did the same thing. Best quarterbacks lead their division. I think the NFC isn't quite as good at the top. And so it'll work itself out. San Francisco now, I think, feels like it's kind of separating from the rest of the NFC West. The Rams off a buy are getting a little.

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And so from the outside, man, I look at this and I think, Packers blew them out at home last year, Saints blew them out, Ravens really did blow them out, although they caught up in the second half a little, Lions blew them out. Games weren't super competitive. I mean, you know, I said this before the season is they have one great weapon in a league now that's weapon-filled. Dax contract limits, a lot of depth.

Mike is very good player. Doesn't feel as good. He's been out as a Miles Garrett or a T.J. Watt. He's just a very good player, but he's not a game decider. This roster just doesn't feel like it's a top 10 roster. Am I out of bounds saying that? No, I don't see how you could watch what's happened, Colin, and those three, and now if you count the Green Bay, four straight home losses,

the identity for this team was they were a really good regular season team, and they were a great home team. And so far now they've completely lost that. And, you know, the fact that they don't have any depth, that could have been addressed even before they committed the enormous money to CD in debt. That was not addressed at all. And in fact, if you look at who they're playing on the defensive line, Now, none of those players were even in uniform.

I'm talking about the other day, Sunday, August 14th. Those were all players they've just had to bring in. So they're really only hope. I mean, I do think Micah potentially is, you know, maybe the best defensive player in the NFL. I may have them a little higher than you do. The problem is, you know, and you've seen this happen with other teams, like they were so ready to part ways with Dan Quinn,

because, you know, they had that horrible thing happened against Green Bay. But, like, all these takeaways and all these huge, you know, game-changing plays that you're looking for, that happened for a few years under Dan Quinn. So, I mean, I think the thing that Jerry's having to deal with right now is, and I've seen him like this before, man, he's looking at what, like even the commanders,

even in a losing effort to have Jaden Daniels and then have Dan Quinn, who was on his staff for several years, and to actually have positive momentum. And he's looking at what the lion's coming in here and literally just clowning on him. And he's just in jealous mode. He's in the mode of how did this happen? How do we have this much of a deficit? And so, I mean, yesterday, he was lost.

Like he generally can put on the happy face. It was his 82nd birthday yesterday. and they get crushed 47 to 9. And that's as down as I've seen him in a while. Like, he didn't have any answers. And much like they did a few years ago when they went and traded for Amari Cooper, I don't think helps on the way. I don't feel like there's anything truly they can do and turn this thing around.

But that's pretty unbelievable that they're getting crushed like they are at home. How much power does Stephen Jones have? Does he listen to him? Does Jerry ever acquiesce? We know Jerry and his vanity. It's kind of laughed out around the league where he holds these press conferences. Does he ever just take a backseat to Stephen Jones? Yeah.

Stephen does have a big say. But if Stephen, for instance, had of wanted to be more active this offseason, the Cowboys could have been more active. So I would say this offseason, he kind of sided with Jerry. The problem is, of course, Jerry had a PR nightmare on his hands because Jerry, unbeknownst to Stephen, started talking about, hey, we're all in. We're going to be all in. And then he didn't follow that up by bringing in anybody. So I do think Stephen has a lot of say.

But right now, they're just reeling. And it doesn't seem like helps on the way. They'll get some corners back. They'll get a couple of corners back. They'll get Micah back soon. maybe they'll be do something else. But I think this the Zimmer thing, who I've known forever, and I got a great relationship with, but it's not working.

And it's, it's just unreal that you could be at home and have what, I mean, I covered Dan Campbell and knew him well, and he's an Aggie. And I think that's another thing that kills Jerry is like these people that he falls in love with and he knows like Sean Peyton who Sean Peyton left here and then went on to be with the Saints. Dan Campbell was here. It kills him when he has people that are in his orbit and that he considers friends and then they go and have success elsewhere. And right now like that's what that's the look he had and he actually said it yesterday. He's like they have what we want. And what he really he means and he can't say is they have the coach I want. And he's just really bad. He doesn't know

how to hold, like, Dan Campbell was available all those years. Guess who he was on staff with. He was with Sean Payton. He, Jerry had people telling him from the Saints, that's the guy, you should hire him. And Jerry knows this guy. And Jerry didn't act on it. And so right now, you're seeing this thing kind of fall apart. And unlike some places where you can truly blow something up, this team's not going to lose enough games to do anything drastic or to have a huge impact in the draft. And so you have two players who are going to be here for what,

four or five years at enormous cost. And then you've got to try to sprinkle players around them. And right now, people get mad that I point this out, you've got a quarterback who's not lifting anybody up. No, that's not who he is. Bucky Brooks used to always say this. There's tractors and trailers, and tractors pull, that's Mahomes, and trailers get pulled. And Dak is good when he has protection in a run game.

I mean, I thought it was laughable. Going into the season, I said, they're not a playoff team. You give Dak no run game. I mean, even CJ Stroud, who's a really good quarterback, or Justin Herbert, who are considered higher-end quarterbacks and throwers of the football than Dak, they have struggled. without a good run game. I mean, C.J. Stroud gets Joe Mixen back. Oh, the Texans look great.

Dak with the worst running back room in the league is a C quarterback. That's what he is. It's what it looks like. And he has his moments, but you know, you talked about it. The Derek Henry thing, he was out there. He made it known the Cowboys would be a team he would love to be around, love to be with. He lives there.

This is not the old quarterback, the running back where you have to pay a ton. I mean, like, literally two years, 16 million, and Jerry, you know, when I quizzed him about that, after that Ravens game was just like, no, we can't afford him. We can't do that. I mean, I think when you're watching how he's playing, you could say they really couldn't afford not to have it. Like, that's exactly, to your point, like, if Dak could lean on somebody like that. But Jerry is so stuck, and usually it's like back in the Jimmy days or even the very aftermath of Jimmy. and of course Campo is the one back of the day who brought in Zimmer and Zimmer became a big part of the Cowboys family. But in times of stress, Jerry goes for these people he knows and has history with.

And he even does it with players. It's one thing to do it with coaches, but he did it with Zeke. And literally he just has a guy who really doesn't have much tread on his tires, who's kind of a leader, but doesn't have anything left to do. So it's a very. frustrating. It's a rough place to be right now. Who would, you know, Mike Vrable's out there living in Park City, Utah, quick flight to Dallas. I don't know if he'd want that circus. I've said this before. Philadelphia with a loaded roster could have, we'll have an opening at head coach. I think that

goes without question. You start looking around the league and there are some teams here. New Orleans will need it. Derek Carr, I think that's a wash, although I do think their ownership and their front office, Mickey Loomis, is really, really strong, stronger than Dallas. Trevor Lawrence, Jacksonville. I mean, he's obviously regressed under Doug Peterson. There's some really interesting quarterbacks. A Jalen Hertz, a Trevor Lawrence, could need a coach. Joe Burrow, if Cincinnati goes in the seven-game losing streak, Joe Burrell could need a coach. My take is Dallas has become a bit of a circus. It's why the Lakers, Lakers in Dallas have too many Joneses and too many buses in the building, not enough outside influence, very insular, big brands, but the brands bigger than

the team and better run than the team. I mean, I don't think Dallas is a great job. I don't think it's a good roster. I think Jerry talks too much. I mean, it is, you know, it's funny. People say, well, you know, it's the high profile. Jerry doesn't pay the most in the league. Jeffrey Lorry can pay. There are places that Bob Kraft would pay. Is the Cowboys a good job? I think Jerry is desperate right now. And so, I mean, it's a crazy job.

It is a circus. But in some ways, I mean, Will McClay is pretty good personnel guy. You have to deal with Jerry. But when Jerry gets this desperate, which I expect him to be in the coming weeks. That's the only time he makes like big swings like he did with Bill Parcells. Now, that was to get the stadium built. But I think that I think he senses the fan base is turning on him and is getting angry enough that the Belichick thing could be real. And that is with Jerry, it has to be some sort of foundational relationship. That's why when he was still,

a big name or still coaching. Like Holmgren was a name that made sense because Jerry worshipped Holmgren and they had this foundation together. Belichick Jerry relishes friendships

with like big time huge people. And he loves the fact that Belichick goes around saying, I respect Jerry Jones. Like I could work for Jerry Jones. So I think Bill's saying that to people right now.

I think he wants back in the game enough that he would put up all the stuff with Jerry. But you see, he would handle himself just like Bill did. And Jerry, to a certain extent, would be miserable in that kind of setting. But I think it's getting to the point where he would seriously think about. And that's where it becomes somewhat of an attractive job because he would like Michael Parsons being here and he would like a quarterback being here. And I would say there are people out there that value DAC more than you do. And I think Belichick might be one of those guys. Yeah, I mean, I've always considered Dak like the best of the B-plus guys.

He and Kirk Cousins. Kirk throws a better ball. Dack moves better. But they're the best of the A-minus B-plus guys. And I think both need help. Kirk and his career has had better stable of receivers. A lot of his career, Dax had maybe better running backs. But right now, Kirk is flourishing with Atlanta.

You know, Jerry and Stephen largely run personnel along with the aforementioned guy. What was his name? Will. Yeah. Um, you think Jerry would ever relinquish that to get the right coach? Not, not in a million years. All right. That's just what he believes.

And there's no talking about it. And even when somebody asked him yesterday, something about, are you going to take ownership over kind of what's happening? He just stopped them and he said, I am the owner. Now, he said, we're in the proverbial esser yesterday. and so he's admitting, but Jerry in his mixed up way, thinks he's the only one that can ever save anything. And so to change the way this is handled. Now, someday when Jerry is gone in like 25 years, when he, when he, Stephen is, Jerry would leave word with Stephen to never relinquish it. But Stephen would, he would operate in a different way, in a much different way than Jerry.

But Jerry does lean on people. And I don't, I think Belichick is so desperate to get back in and go out in a different manner that I think he would be willing to put up with some of Jerry stuff. Yeah. Bill wanted to make six, seven, eight million bucks this year, just so he, He's got a lot of money, but Bill wanted to stay front and center, make some money. These coaches, I mean, Nick Saban, a minute he could get on TV, Sabin's great, by the way. Belichick's fine when they get him in certain roles. He's good. But he wants to coach. I had Sean Peyton at Fox for a year. Sean wanted to coach. Bill Parcells a couple of times did TV. The minute coaching came back, boom, it was in his blood. Some of these guys, often the less successful coaches, you know, who've been fired a couple times. They, they, they, You know, they like TV.

They see TV as a gateway to endorsements and fun and more golf. Belichick, you know, he's got a boat, but he's not sitting on a golf course too much. He's too smart. Peyton's the same way. They're too bright. They're too driven. Are there any empty seats at Cowboy Games? I mean, has the apathy spilled over to merchandising or seats?

No. Okay. No. I mean, and are there more visitors at Jerry World? Are there more visiting fans? Always, though. I mean, through good years and bad years, it'll be embarrassing when the Texans come on this current trajectory. The Texans will have plenty of fans.

The Eagles will have fans. The Lions were taken over that stadium yesterday. Jerry doesn't really mind that. He hates it when I bring it up. And I've done it in the past. He gets mad like a Seattle game. But he, the whole spectacle of it, he's kind of okay. with that. He knows

he's going to fill the stadium. I think the only thing that ever would give him pause is just like what happened a few years ago when they flexed out of a Cowboys game. Somebody did that. I think it was NBC. And that's shocking.

I mean, you know, Al Michaels used to joke that they would take a Cowboys game every week. What's Fox doing with Tom Brady? Like he's done like four Cowboys games, right? They're just like, let's just make him the beat guy for the Cowboys. Thursday night football is on. It's only on

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Market Chicago with Caleb Williams, big market San Francisco, Green Bay is a big brand. If Dallas is an eight and nine team, remember, the Steelers used to be on TV a lot. And they're probably the second biggest brand in the league. They get flexed out. People don't want the Steelers on television. They're boring. They want the Ravens on TV. And I do think there's something to be said. Dak is a not, he has an ascending paycheck. He's not an ascending player. And I look at these big markets with, I mean, Houston gets on TV more, Caleb Williams. How about when Washington Matt is now good? That's like the seventh biggest city in the country. I think there's some big national markets with ascending star, exciting quarterbacks.

I can see Dallas, I can see people at Fox just saying they're just not that interesting. I mean, I found myself yesterday bailing on that cowboy game the second time this year. I'm like, they're just not that much fun to watch. Yeah, I wish I had that opportunity yesterday, just to kind of walk out of there. But I still think, boy, one flecks out in the past 15 years. And my sense is that even when they're 500, people are still fighting to have them on, you make an interesting point. I still think when they go places, it's kind of crazy the amount of Cowboys fans that show up.

And I've just seen it over and over and over. So I could, I mean, I would not, I still would not make an America's team. I think the Patriots became America's most hated team. I think they, you know, that used to be the Cowboys for years. And it was like Brady and the Patriots surpassed them in the villains. But yeah, I would be hard pressed to say that's happening. But I would say this, to your point, If Jerry feels that happening, it'll just make him more dig in and have to bring in a coach like that.

Like Belichick. Yeah. Yeah. That's why Belichick makes sense. They don't, with Dax's contract, they don't have a lot of offensive firepower. And the truth is, their defensive pieces aren't terrible. I mean, they're not. They're just, they're all banged up.

I think it's becoming such a quarterback league. I just know personally, I like watching Kansas City 1, Baltimore 2, San Francisco 3. And I think Detroit and Green Bay and Chicago now, good God, the NFC North, the four leading teams in the NFL on point differential, all four in the NFC North. That is like a, that's like a track teams in that division. It's amazing how good they are. And think how much Sean Payton that Dan Campbell has in him right now. because, I mean, the most, he was just a good old boy, hunter and fisher, and just an awesome guy to talk to. And there wasn't a petty bone in his body when I used to visit with him all the time and cover him as a player.

Yeah. And he walked into that stadium. And his sole purpose after winning was to embarrass the Cowboys in every possible way. That was the most Sean Payton behavior I've ever seen. And from the play one, he put the guy out there as the tackle eligible play. And then late in the game, he was doing hook and ladders with his starting offensive tackle. And he spent the better part of that game trying to rub it in Jerry's face. And what's really weird and crazy about Jerry, there's a twisted part of Jerry that kind of like that.

There's a twisted part of Jerry that was just like, man, I so wish. I had a coach that would do that to other people. And he doesn't have that in McCarthy. McCarthy, Pittsburgh guy, respect the game, never show anybody up. That's not the way he's wired at all. So Jerry now, as much as he hates to do it, has to run him out. And they're three and three, so he's not going to do it like Wade Phillips. He's not going to do it in the middle of the season.

But he's got to do a deal kind of like he did with Bill, Parcells. He's got to get the thing done with Belichick, you know, like three weeks before the season ends. He's got to get that hammered out. He's got to do it privately, and they got to get it in place. Why was McCarthy two hours late to the press conference? No, no, no good explanation. Seriously, just said, and I mean, like, it is odd because, like, why does the PR group let everybody just sit in there forever? they thought it was going to happen. Mike just said that the personnel, some coaches meetings went long,

and then they had to go into personnel meetings. But, you know, given what they, everybody just witnessed, of course, the media is like, what in the world's going on? But they sent him out and said there was nothing to see. And, yeah, one thing McCarthy's done well is he has no, there's no interim coaches like on the staff. Okay.

Like there's nobody, Zimmer's defense has been so awful, even when DeMarcus Lawrence and Michael were out there. So you can't turn it over to him. What are you going to do? Give it to Schottenheimer, you know, like he's not going to do it.

And so you have your bones fossil. You have John Fossel, your special teams coach. So there's nobody to, step in, maybe Al Harris, there's nobody to do it. So he has kind of, McCarthy is protected in that way. But this thing's headed toward this thing, you know, probably going to go off the rails. And the point is, they used to be able to beat all their NFC's opponents. And so this was an inflated record. The commanders- 24 and 4 against Washington and the Giants. That's 60% of his wins. Yes. And everybody wants to talk. But again, Jerry and Stephen want credit for those 12

wins seasons. But you're right. A ton of it came in. Listen, a lot of good coaches do that. They take, advantage of a bad division. But the Cowboys problem, of course, is they can't take that next step. And what they did against Green Bay, I think the, I think the most shocking part for Jerry and the most sickening thing to fans is that Jerry, watched that Green Bay game and his response was let's run it back and let's not

change a thing. I think what Jerry would like to say right now is I told you. He would like, he's not going to say it. He can't say it. I told you why I was waiting on doing this contract. Why, in addition to McCarthy

coaching in the last year, I kind of was okay with DAC. Because right now, in secret areas where I'm not, and really nobody is, Jerry has to be having those conversations. This is why I kept waiting. And everybody's like, why didn't you get this done? If you had gotten this done a while back, you wouldn't have had to pay him 60 million. Still would have been an enormous amount, but it might have not been 60.

And Jerry would, deep down, he wondered if he had the right quarterback. but he had no recourse in the end, right? Trey Lance was, you know, proved to be nothing. And what are you going to do? You know, you can't blow it. You've got DAC as your quarterback. You're not going to lose 12 games. There was no, he saw no way to find another solution.

So, but that's Jerry. I mean, that's this, that's this Cowboys team. Their solution always in the end is, well, we're just going to have to pay. top of the market money. They say they don't want to, but they always end up having to do it. And then they want to claim, we're the only team doing that.

There are other teams doing that, right? I mean, there's other teams that have star quarterbacks and star wide receivers. The Cowboys are not the only team. But they want to portray it. We're the only team in this situation that we have to commit 95 million a year to two players. By the way, they draft the Oklahoma left tackle.

What's the verdict on him? just kind of like average so far, put them in their left tackle. Because of that injury, Tyler Smith had to kick out there. And I honestly think they kind of like what they saw. So I think they have a tremendous future with Tyler Smith way too early on Guyton to either say he's great or say he's horrible. Like I've seen guys who are horrible. He's not that.

Like he's going to be given chances. but I think the scariest thing for anybody associated with the Cowboys is that on the pass blocking grade, and I know you love BFF and sometimes you question them and you do the filmwork on your own. I think Zach Martin got a 0.0 on his pass blocking. His overall pass blocking grade was like a 28. He got crushed. He got annihilated. and this is a guy who's going to be, perhaps, in the Hall of Fame someday.

He's been one of the best guards in the league for, like, close to a decade. And it seems, at least in that game, it seems like it's falling apart. They're in a bet. And to your point earlier about DAC, I will say that's the biggest distinction between he and Romo. Romo took players like Miles Austin and Loran Robinson and Gerard on the offensive line and he elevated them. Say what you will about his playoffs and I get that. It's a fair criticism.

But he was talented enough to lift kind of middling players and lift the team. And boy, Dax's not doing it right now. No, no. Tony Romo had bad offensive lines. They got good the minute he retired. So DAC has had the best running back in the league. Dax had the best offensive line on average over the last eight years. And as the offensive line is deteriorated and the running back room is regressed, it's more DAC. I always said Romo's on a short list of the most underrated quarterbacks of my life. I always thought he was, I thought he was great in the fourth quarter. I thought he threw a better ball than Dak. I think he was. I think he was. He was on his, I thought he was great in the fourth quarter. I thought he threw a better ball than Dak. I think. I they move about the same. I think they both had leadership abilities. I think Dax's a little bit more of a CEO feel than Tony Romo. He's a little squirlier as a guy. But no, it's a, Romo never got the credit he deserves. Dach's gotten more credit than he deserves. That's my take. And I'm fine with Dack, but I've said this. Kirk Cousins is better than Dack. They both made a ton, but it's a sit in the pocket and throw, and Kirk Cousins again is going to win his division

again this year. So, you know, I think if you're, you can win in this league if you're paying a ton of money at quarterback for a star, Lamar Mahomes, or you can do it with a rookie quarterback on a rookie deal and surround him with stars. You cannot be a viable Super Bowl team if you're paying a B quarterback to a B plus quarterback, A plus money. That's why Kirk Cousins deal with Atlanta is pretty shrewd. It's not a bad contract. It really isn't. It's half of what the big money guys in the league. And therefore, they can keep all their Drake London's and all their young receivers. It's wild, though, to watch how great Jared Gough looks. And you saw him up close and personal. And they were so ready to move off him. So ready. They were like, give us like a 36-year-old dude who's taking a million

hits. We need this guy out of here. And right now, I mean, like, is there anybody playing, I mean, you might think of one or two guys in the league right now playing or hotter than Jared Gough? So it is kind of wild when you put people around them what they can do. And he's, you know, and maybe this Dan Campbell can coach a little bit. Yeah, I think when you give Jared Gough a good old line in a run game. Todd Gurley, Andrew Whitworth and the Rams, he can get you to the Super Bowl. And, yeah, I always thought he was Matt Ryan, but better arm, better talent, but kind of Matt Ryan. Matt Ryan won an MVP and got to a Super Bowl as well. Matt Mosley does the Doom Day, Matt Mosley does the Doomsday podcast with a longtime ESPN reporter, Edwarder. So we did this

before the Monday night football game, so I'm going to watch. I think Aaron Rogers is going to play well tonight. That's my guess. We'll see. how it works out, but Buffalo's all beat up. James Cook is not going to play the running back. That hurts a lot. They're still missing some people in the receiving course. So I think, I think Aaron's going to play well. I think the Jets have a chance to win. I think Jerry was kind of jealous of Woody for making that move. Like, hey, you can do that. You can pull the, you know, you can do that. That's that early in the season. That's interesting that you think that. I would think it would be more of the same,

but maybe they'll rally around this new coach and they'll get something, but it'll be fascinating to watch either way. Matt, great seniors always, buddy. Well, appreciate you having me. Thanks so much for listening. If you've enjoyed the podcast, take a moment, rate, and review. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy,

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