The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast - Brady Un-retirement Reaction, Nick Wright on LeBron/Lakers Dysfunction, Russ Wilson Top 5 Debate, Aaron Brand Damage

Episode Date: March 14, 2022

Colin reacts to the bombshell Tom Brady announcement that he's unretiring and returning to the Bucs for the 2022 season, why the Browns traded for Amari Cooper even though they're not committed to Baker long-term, and why one college hoops conference is consistently overrated in the NCAA Tourney. (3:00)Then, First Things First co-host - and host of the What's Wright? podcast - Nick Wright joins Colin to discuss what's behind LeBron's scoring binge (20:00), why the Tom Brady un-retirement rumors have been so persistent (22:00), what's behind the Lakers' prolonged dysfunction (26:00), if Dame Lillard could end up with the Lakers (35:00), if the Warriors are a title contender (38:00), which surprise team Nick thinks could win the West (40:00), if Jayson Tatum can lead the Celtics on a deep playoff run (43:00), if Russell Wilson is still a Top 5 NFL QB (51:00), why Lamar Jackson still hasn't agreed to an extension (Make sure to Subscribe and follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates and check out FanDuel for the best wagering and daily fantasy action! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And you'll see Nick's reaction. But I'm not going to edit it out. I don't like to edit out stuff if I don't have to. I'm going to keep it in during the Nick Wright interview. and you'll hear it in about 15 minutes. So let's start with this. I have gone over this two or three times on my national radio and TV shows. Days are very long.

You sleep seven. I sleep seven hours a day. I work out for an hour. I eat for an hour. I hang out with my wife. I read. I listen to music. I take naps.

And that's about 18 and a half hours. I've got seven left. And I had said this with Tom Brady He's going to hang out with his kids But if your kids have a life They don't want to hang out with their mid-40-year-old dad all the time I got kids My daughter's 21

She lives, you know, in Hollywood Honey, you want to go for lunch She's got like seven options She doesn't even call me back half the time She shouldn't, she has a life My son, he's got friends You know, once kids get to 13, 14, 14, 15, 16 years old, it's not that they don't love dad.

They got options. And Giselle isn't some stay-at-home mom. She's a supermodel with a eight, nine figure annual income. She's plenty busy. So my takeaway on Brady was he's usually, he has, you know, his convictions. But I predicted after the season ended, he was very ambiguous. I thought there was a chance he retired. And then when he retired, I thought, I'll take him in his word.

But I think there's a chance he comes back. It's a small chance. And I think Tom has never really given himself six weeks off. I mean, really cleared his head. Go on a vacation. Don't take a football. No playbook. He'd never done that in the last 20 years.

And I think Tom said, all right, I'm going to have a couple beers, eat some cheesecake, give myself six weeks, with the family and came to the conclusion, because he still has his health, and he's still an MVP-level quarterback this year, he came to the conclusion that I'm really good at football. There's a lot of hours in these days. I'm going to fill it playing football. My kids are more grown. My wife's busy.

What are you going to do? Backgammon with neighbors? That's not Tom. Tom is an aspirational guy. I talk about this. I'm certainly not anything like. a superstar athlete. I talk to my wife all the time about this. If you're compensated at a very high level and you're doing something you really love and you're still pretty good at it,

what are you quitting to? I understand people who work in factories or have to lift things for a living or are in dangerous jobs, firemen, police officers. Hey man, get out, take the pension. Totally understand it. But glamour jobs, right? Like, like musicians, athletes, actors, jobs that are in entertainment or news. There's a reason these reporters and these artists are still traveling. Yeah, believe it or not, REO Speedwagon, perform this weekend. Why? They were paid a lot. It's fun playing music and being adored by fans. I get it. Tom Brady gave it six, seven, eight weeks. He'd never done that before, and he came to the conclusion that a lot of really willful aspirational people do.

I'm bored. I mean, Tom is Mr. Goal Setter, Mr. Achievement. It is hard to go from zero to 60 for 20 years and then back to zero. And again, I think there's a lot of professional careers that, you know, I had a friend years ago who was an oncologist, you know, a cancer doctor. 25 years psychologically, he was beat up. He was done. He was tired. He'd seen death for two and a half decades. It was time. That's different than football. And Tom's done a remarkable job to stay engaged with younger teammates. And let's be honest about this. He was good this year. And his only loss at the end of the year was to the Rams who won the Super Bowl. The loser in this, my first thought the loser in this is Aaron Rogers. Because all these teams are getting better. All these. these acquisitions and what did Green Bay do this offseason? Just pay Aaron Rogers more. That's how they improved. They paid Aaron Rogers more. So when Tom retired, one of the things, I think I said it on

the podcast, I definitely said it before the end of the season. I said, man, I'd have a hard time retiring if I was Tom. Look at the NFC. And this was before Russell Wilson left. But Tray Lance, we don't know if it's going to work. Matt Stafford, McVeigh, can they repeat? I mean, DAC Cowboys, Amari Cooper's gone. Dax's never been good without Amari. The NFC is wide open. To me, Rams are the best teams. Tom's back with Tampa.

Second best roster. San Francisco, if Trey Lance can play, is probably my third pick. And then Green Bay kind of falls in that Dallas, Arizona, good enough to beat anybody, not good enough to dominate top teams. So the winner in this, Fox TV gets a great quarterback in the NFC, the winner, all football fans, the loser, you know, potentially. McVeigh, Kyle Shanahan, Aaron Rogers, but the roadblocks are few and far between in the NFC. The bottom of it right now is a mess.

I was talking to a friend about this. He's a New Yorker. And I said, this league's getting like NBA top heavy. I said, name the 12 best players between the Jets, Giants. Chargers, Rams. New York had none of them. None of them. The giants are awful. The jets are awful. And I said, you start looking at the bottom of the NFC right now. Giants are awful. Philadelphia is not very good. Wents and Washington should be better, but there are limitations. Atlanta? No. Saints? No. Carolina? Unless they land to Sean Watson? Kind of a mess.

Arizona? Fascinating? But Cliff Kingsbury, yet to win a big playoff game. A lot of drama this offseason. Trey Lance, we don't know. Seattle doesn't have a quarterback now. The bottom of the NFC is large. The bottom of the AFC is like Houston. The Jets.

That's it. So this feels good. A little bit of a surprise. Not a shock. And I'll say it again. The days are long. Tom Brady figured out after about six to eight weeks, might as well fill him with something I get great enjoyment from, and I'm really good at throwing a football in the NFL. I thought one of the more interesting moves this weekend by an NFL team was the Cleveland Browns

acquiring Amari Cooper as a four-time pro bowler in seven years, highly productive, learns a playbook quickly. It's going to be very interesting to see how this plays out. Jarvis Landry's numbers have dropped. Austin Hooper's numbers have dropped since going from Matt Ryan to Baker Mayfield. OBJ's numbers spiked and production spike when he left Baker and went to Matt Stafford. I'm very interested to see what happens with Amari Cooper and Baker Mayfield. You know, my opinion on Baker is pretty well documented. I was harsh on him early and defended him at the end of this year. I thought he was just beaten up. Everything. Knees, toes, labrum. But I don't think Cleveland sees Baker as a long-term physical or emotional fit. Multiple reports they were interested

in Deshawn Watson. Don't see that happening. Think he lands in Carolina. Derek Carr was also on the radar. Follow Mary Kay Cabot. I've had her on this podcast. She's an excellent 20-year reporter on the Browns. They're not going to extend his contract, but I do think Amari and Baker, you've got to give Baker a shot, a fighting chance in that division. And with Jarvis Landry,

seeking an exit, the Browns have reportedly given him the freedom to leave. So let's see. OBJ, Jarvis Landry, Austin Hooper, the trend is not good, really talented pass catchers struggling with Baker.

I want to talk about for a few minutes, college basketball, the selection committee. I love watching that. Three Pacific for most of my adult life. You know, it's interesting. College basketball is the one sport 25 years ago that was actually much bigger than it is today. It's very, very hard to follow it unless you literally are a college student and go to all the home games or you're a diehard or you're a diehard or you're. working the media covering it. So many games, so many teams, and all the best players are won and done.

My general rule for the tournament is the Big Ten will be overvalued and overpicked. You have to go back to 2000 when Michigan State and Tom Izzo won a championship for Sparty the last time the Big Ten won a championship. Before that, you have to go to the 80s, the late 80s with Michigan before that Bobby Knight. It's an overvalued conference because the brands are big because they're have a good TV contract. They're on television a lot because their arenas are often jammed, Michigan, Wisconsin, Michigan State, Ohio, State, Indiana. It looks big on television and we overvalue the Big Ten. I've seen Purdue play three or four times. I do not think they have a shot to get to the final four. Similarly, I think we undervalue the SEC because we see it as such a football brand. We don't pay attention to it. I think one of the best young teams in the country is Tennessee. They can play four guards. Their back court plays real defense, hyper athletic, super young. Wouldn't be surprised if three SEC teams made the elite eight. Keep your

eye on Tennessee. Kentucky, I'm not sure they're good enough doing a natty. A lot of people would argue they were overseeded, but the SEC is clearly absolutely the better conference than the Big Ten this year. watch the Big Ten get over-selected and over-picked in people's brackets. Tennessee's my dark horse. It did feel like to me that the selection committee sort of made up their mind before watching Sunday games. Duke is a number two seed. Michigan got in without a play-in game.

Listen, it's a lot of games to watch. Nobody's ever happy. I think the best team I've seen, and I've seen them play four or five times, was Arizona. That's the best team I've seen. Are they going to win it? I'm going to pick them. I'm going to pick two SEC teams

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The one and done has essentially cut off the head of college basketball. It's too transactional. So I want to stick to the NBA, which is in your wheelhouse. So I was thinking about you the other day. LeBron James is going on the scoring binge. And I said, you know, this isn't a lost season for LeBron because he's never going to catch Michael. And he wants to stay as healthy as he can. He's had no major injuries.

And there is value in having a big scoring year and being selfish this year for the first year in his career. I'm going to score some points. And he's never been that guy. And I think it's remarkable. He's become that guy. And I'm like, to me, my takeaway is, hey, he's looking around the league. He's looking around the Lakers. I'm going to score this year.

I'm going to add some points. That's my takeaway on what he's done. He knows the chemistry doesn't work. He can't trust AD. They're going to blow this thing up probably in the offseason. And for the first time in his career, I'm going to be a little selfish. That's my take. What's remarkable about it, though, is that.

that he can do this in year 19. The most points per game ever for a guy year 19 or later is Kareem with 14. So he's doubling it, more than doubling it, right? Right. And the fact that he, I always believed, you know, he said years and years ago, I could win the scoring title every year if I really wanted to. And I believed that then. I did not go into this year thinking, even if he wanted to.

to that he could still average 30 points per game. I thought he could still control games. I thought he could still be the guy that in a critical fourth quarter of a playoff series, you would want over any other guy in the league. I thought maybe he could still get to that. But the fact that he's going to play this year more games than Durant and he's going to potentially win the scoring title, it's utterly remarkable. And I actually think your guy, Tom Brady, in a weird way has caused people to appreciate what LeBron is doing this season a little less. Because Brady, you know, won a Super Bowl at 43, was, you know, was a league MVP, you know, leading candidate at age 44. So I think people are, it's like, yeah, this is the era of old athletes dominating.

But we've never seen anything close to this in the NBA, nothing close to it previously. Actually, the Brady thing is interesting. I'll pivot to that because he was in England with his two boys watching a soccer game. Rinaldo was there, Cristiano Ronaldo, arguably the best living, you know, soccer player, right? And, you know, somebody asked him, somebody caught it in a hot mic or something. You know, you're retired, right? And he said, you know, I'm not sure exactly where I am. And this is my takeaway is that Brady, I predicted this going in.

he and Aryans were always going to be a short term fix. That was dating. It was never marriage. The culture's too loose. The city's too loose. Giselle and he are not Tampa people. It's just not that kind of market, right? They would have chosen the Chargers.

But, you know, a couple years ago, Sofi, the Chargers were playing in a soccer stadium. They were the number two brand in the city. So, but I do think Brady is doing, I'll throw this out to you. As an older guy, I can throw this out. I think Brady really was going to retire. And he said, you know, I've really never given my family like six to eight weeks off a season and just said, let's pretend I'm not playing. And he's flying around the country.

And he's probably drinking some beer and eating stuff he wouldn't normally eat, spending time with his wife. And he just kind of wants to see how it plays out until the draft. How does he feel? And then he's going to survey the teams. And if one or two people bite, and I don't think there's a lot. I think Kyle Shanahan interests him because it's a non-quarterback centric offense. I think he would take a call from them. So that's my suspicion with Brady is these 95% out.

But he's never really taken eight weeks. Never done it. You said 95% out. But I feel like you think he's. he's going to play next year. Am I wrong on that? I think the draft ends. He's going to say, you know, I'm hanging out with my kids. I'm hanging out with my wife. I've still got nine hours a day. I'm not doing anything because, as we all know, there's a, days are long. Years fly by, but the days are long, especially with kids, right? And he's sitting there and his boys have friends and they've got

peers and they do stuff and they don't want to hang out with dad. And he's like, oh. And I think he would take a call first week of May. That's my takeaway. But that, hold on. I'm so, because here's the thing. If he's going to take the call, then he's going to play, right? Like that's, and it feels like the, it's such a weird thing. Because on our show, Kevin Wilde keeps making this point. He's not wrong. He, which is, he had no retirement ceremony. He's like Joe Montana retired in front of 20,000 people, you know, in Candlestick or wherever it was. There was, he's like, Tom Brady's not going to retire via Instagram post.

And I understand that part of it. The part of it that I don't understand if he wants to come back is this. Why ever announce the retirement? Why not simply say, listen, I'm going to take the next two months to contemplate my future and leave it at that. It just, it feels unless it's because he wants to. leave he wants to keep playing and he wants to leave uh tampa if this is all one long con to get to san francisco like i don't know i also think it's possible like it seems like the football world

like the there was an old Seinfeld episode where they said the breakup didn't take like somebody tried to break up with someone and the other person was like no i rejected he's like i get so together. It feels like the football media has decided this retirement didn't take. We don't accept your retirement, Tom Brady, like the president on his desk. Like someone submits the resignation. They're like, no, I don't accept it. Meanwhile, Brady seems to be cagey about it and is like somewhat ambivalent. The whole thing is one of the weirdest things I've ever seen, Colin, because it feels like a lot of people really expect him to play next year and to be on a different team and that This was all theater.

Yeah, I don't think it's theater. I think Brady's really sharp and that he doesn't want to box himself in. Peyton Manning's done this where Peyton keeps himself open to ownership, a front office. And hey, while I'm doing it, I'm going to make about 20 million a year doing the Manning cast and put my personality out there. But I won't sign a long-term deal with anything. I want to keep my options open. You and I often have to sign contracts, not that we're cornered, but that. there's certain, you know, the tarmac is shortened, right?

Sure. There's certain things we have to do. And I think the rare what superstars and LeBron did this at the height of his powers, I'm going to give you a one-year contract. Yeah. Yeah. And by the way, sorry to bring it back just real quick. LeBron finally didn't do that and now regrets it, I'm sure.

After winning the title with the Lakers, signed the extension early, gave them extra time. And they immediately screwed him. Like, they didn't have the urgency at the deadline that all his other teams did. They didn't want to trade a 20-27 draft pick and they're like, you can't leave anyway, buddy. Like, so like the, the having that, you know, taking that tarmac away or that runway away from you can be used against you immediately. But go ahead. Sorry. If you really think of what the bigger picture on the Lakers to me is that in nine seasons, they've had seven losing seasons.

If Ohio State football, Kentucky basketball, Yankee baseball, in nine years had seven losing seasons, that's with LeBron and Kobe. You'd be like, oh, that's poor ownership. Nobody in Los Angeles because they like Jeannie Bus, right? And the L.A. media is not as angry as Boston, Philly, New York. Not as provincial, perhaps, as a Dallas or Chicago, but it's a pretty easy media. Yeah. Nobody will acknowledge this. It's poorly owned and poorly runned.

With LeBron James, the bubble has given you a false sense of achievement. This is a nine years, seven losing seasons. That's the Mariners. I grew up with that. Those are poor. And by the way, during that time they've had in nine years, four head coaches and 112 players. That's Detroit. That's Orlando.

That's Cleveland. People here just, you know this. the media. They like Anderson Cooper. Nobody will ever say, you know, he's never won his time slot. The media plays favorites. They like Jeannie. It's poorly owned. It's poorly run. And by the way, like, and I don't think that it has to be like so. The fact the matter is that in every Lakers deep dive piece, the name Linda Rambis comes up about how she has undue influence on the franchise, has never had a real title. No one knows exactly what she does. She's Jeannie's best friend.

And one of the, you know, and a lot, some of the people who cover the Lakers on a daily basis consider Jeannie a close friend. Not a, just a source or whatever, consider her a friend. Of course it's been poorly run. And there was so much of the leaking that I thought was just unbecoming. Like when they went after Rich and Clutch and they were like, they thought, you know, there's a civil war between Clutch and between Lakers front office, and Clutch wants to run the team. Well, listen, at some point,

if the way you've run your franchise is, the guy who the GM is was the agent for your superstar, and then he literally got to run the team, apologies if the agent for your current superstar thinks he might be able to have some say. Like that's, I mean, Rob Belinko was Kobe's agent. Now he runs the team. Like so, and by the way, I know magic, you know, was bad on Twitter and people poke fun, but magic saw that dysfunction.

And magic, even with LeBron there, said, I'm not dealing with it. I'm out of here, guys. And then they ended up getting AD and, you know, LeBron and AD of the magical season. And so it papers over a lot of it. But so much of the Lakers stuff has really bothered me. Because, yes, LeBron, so let me run this by you, Colin. And we probably should have started with this. And I hadn't thought, I thought of it.

I was talking to my son about this, about why they went with Westbrook, like why that ultimately happened. And I think it was ultimately out of cowardice. And here's what I mean. The Lakers have shown you, if they disagree with LeBron, they won't do what he wants.

We know that because Tyloo is not the coach. You could have hired Tyloo. And it's not like they were like, no, we're bringing in, you know, Eric Spolstra. It was for Frank Vogel. They said no to Tai Lu, yes to Frank Vogel, despite what LeBron wanted it. Okay. So they end up trading for Russell Westport.

Did LeBron want them to? Obviously, yes. Do I suspect the Lakers Front Office wanted to? Yeah, because they love stars. And because if they really didn't want it, they wouldn't have done it. But here's the more, I guess, incendiary allegation. I think one of it, so if it was either trade those pieces for, buddy healed and other stuff and have LeBron, you know, probably let people know it's not the

trade I would have made or trade it for Russ. And everybody knows it's trade LeBron won it. I think one of the reasons they did it was because they had a built-in scapegoat. I'm not sure it'll work, but if it doesn't work, we'll make sure everybody knows LeBron made us do it, as opposed to the other way around. If we go with the courage of our convictions, go with something. If that doesn't work, LeBron's going to let everybody know. It's not what he want it. So I think it was a built-in excuse is one of the reasons they traded for us is because they could lay it at LeBron's feet. If they really thought it was going to be a disaster, and by the way, a lot of people did. You didn't think it would work. I was skeptical.

LeBron is not great at this part of it. They're like seeing what talent will fit with him. He's never been great at that. But they didn't have the courage in their own convictions and to then have it happen. And then to leak to the media, you know, Lakers' runoffice believes you know, the LeBron and company made their bed. Now they have to lie in it. That's like terrible parenting, not like the way you run a front office. I think it's ridiculous. Yeah.

And they're a bit trapped because you're going to have to inherit bad contracts to get rid of Westbrook's contract. I said this. I would have gotten rid of Anthony Davis before the season. I thought last year when he came in out of shape in the year in which he was going to take the baton from LeBron, was an egregious affront to LeBron and the organization. And we never thought he was a great leader. We always knew he was brittle. But we never really thought he was sort of uninspired when he came in out of shape last year.

And he was. I thought, all right, let him play to the All Star break, puff up his numbers, and move him. And I think LeBron was so pissed last year with that. He would have bought into that. It's too late now. You can't get half of what you could at the beginning of last year, several more injuries. I'm not an AD guy. I've played the market forever.

You know, buy low, sell high. I thought last year very early if you were given an opportunity to, whatever, replace me, or it was the moment of your career to take the baton and lead the network. and you came in unprepared. You came in unfocused. That's all I would need to know from you. I'm out. Like last year, at the beginning of the year, we all said,

LeBron needs to get down to 28 to 32 minutes, about 24 a game, be the number two guy. Run the offense, two guy. Anthony Davis comes in out of shape. And I, listen, I'm not, you know, I think some of that maybe had to do with the fact that his body is breaking down. I think there's so, I think you're being a little harsh. I think it would have been fascinating to see it happen,

fascinating to see what the return could have been. I have a different because you question about what the Lakers do next in this regard. What do you think the Blazers will let Dame? So we just, I don't know if we can talk about this or not, but I think we can. Obviously, Joe Buck just left our company. Yeah. Just left Fox. and what I read was that you're left on his contract,

but Fox was like, hey, you've been an amazing employee for a quarter century. We're not going to hold you hostage. You want to go with Troy. We're going to wish you well and thank you for it. So I thought about that. And I thought about Dame.

And my question is this. If Dame says, okay, it's finally time to move on, would they let him pick his destination. And if Dame says, yeah, I do want to go to the Lakers. And they'll give you whatever draft picks they have left and Russ for the contracts.

And you guys can buy out Russ and start over. Or do you think the Blazers would say, Dame, we love you? But we have to get a massive return from you. So it's going to be highest bidder? Or do you think they're going to kind of what the Lions did with Stafford, right? They let Stafford kind of pick his spot. Now, the Rams could give a lot, but they let him pick a spot. Do you think the Blazers will let Dame do that if he asks out?

I think if the Lakers had the assets Portland was interested in, they would. In the NFL, you do not want your quarterback. You don't want Russell Wilson in the NFC. But in the NBA, if you get the assets, your ammo versus my ammo. I've never felt it's as parochial as that. In the NFL, I mean, it's just real obvious. You know, if we're getting rid of Carson Wentz, you'd rather send him to Washington. No, but that's not what I'm asking.

What I'm asking is, do you think the Blazers organization out of loyalty to Dame? No, I don't think they would. Would take an inferior offer because it's where he wants to go. No, I don't think they would. I don't think it's a Laker thing because I think they wouldn't move them to the Lakers. I don't know what the Lakers have. Right. They would just have the 2027 and 2029 draft picks is really all they would have.

It's nothing. I also think Dame's a smaller athlete and a declining asset. I wouldn't. There's not a lot. I like Dame. But you're seeing Steph Curry this year wear down. These are smaller players. Seth had eight points the other night.

Yeah. I've had eight points the other night and they won. The Jordan Pool kid, who you like scored 30 and Clay had his first great game in a few years, you know, since the injury. It was good for Clay. Steph's a weird one this year because people were like, do you remember? remember right before he broke the three point record, he was like 14 threes away. And they were like, could he break it tonight? I'm like 14 threes.

And since then, he's had the worst, and this is worth shooting year since his first year of his career, I think. Like, he has, he has not been great this year. It's weird to see because people are still talking about him like an MVP. I don't even know if he's first team all NBA guard anymore. I think it's John Luca. like Steph to me has not had nearly the year. I think a lot of people think he's had at least percentages-wise.

Well, I think Golden State's interesting because they're going to play Jordan Poole a lot. The rookie kid out of Arkansas is going to have a Jonathan Cominga is going to put him on the floor in the playoffs. I don't think it's a championship team. I think Steph will, because of his ability to shoot and handle the ball and distribute, he will age gracefully. It won't be a Westbrook or a Cam Newton where it's just off the cliff. But I think it's very clear what they're doing. Wiggins was going to be a trade piece. Now they need his scoring.

So Poole was a great. They draft and develop very well in Golden State. We've got, you know, between Draymond and Clay and Steph. So I think they're transitioning to their next Steph and Clay. Clay's not the same player. He's not. He's not. I don't think he's going to be.

The Clay thing's sad because, you know, it was just too. brutal injuries and missing so much time. So let me then ask you this, because I do, I have immense respect for Phoenix and what they've done. Yeah. And they obviously were the best team in the West, you know,

last year and then throughout the playoffs. I don't know if I believe Chris Paul and we saw the injury, this injury, it's kind of a fluky one. I don't know if I think Chris Paul is going to be able to stay healthy for back to back, you know, 30 game playoff runs.

Like, yeah, I just don't. know that I think that's going to happen or 20 some, I guess it would be 20 some game playoff runs. So I don't think Golden State's making the finals. I really respect Phoenix. I think that the season might be too long after what they did last year.

So now we're like, okay, Memphis's too young. I'm going to throw something out to you. I think this might be Lucas 07 LeBron year where it's way earlier than anyone thought. It's like, oh my God, he took him to the finals. It's like with that, that guy with those teammates took him to the finals. I think we forget that Luca, so he's played 13 career playoff games. He's averaging in those 13 games 33, 9, and 8. And that was with all 13, Colin, coming against the Clippers.

So every playoff game he's ever played in his life, Quire Paul George has been guarding him for basically the entire time he's on the court. And he's 33, 9, and 8. I think that the West is pretty wide open with the Lakers being this bad, with the clippers being hurt. We'll see, you know, when Chris Paul comes back, we, I think the Mavs, I think we could wake up and say, holy shit, the Mabs are in the NBA finals. And it's because Luca just averaged 35, 12, and 8 for two rounds. Well, I think the bottom of the West and East are so weak that I think Phoenix will extinguish teams really quickly.

To me, they're, you know, I'm old. enough to remember when every team looked like Phoenix, a big that liked to be a big, a classic number two guard that could shoot threes, preferably mid-range, wings who could defend young with a veteran wing J. Crowder and a distributor first point guard. They are a 1988 NBA team. They really are. And I think they've just built old school. I worry sometimes they're not great shooting the three. They really aren't. Sometimes Jay Crowder, becomes really important for them. Sure.

And I like him, but I wouldn't want to depend on him. But I think the bottom of both conferences is weak. I think they're going to fly through it. And then, you know, listen, if Dallas was to meet them, it'd be a long, long series. And Dallas, I don't think has the ability to sweep through rounds as easily. And so I think they'd be a tad more worn down. I think it's Phoenix's year. I don't, by the way, do you buy into this current, it happens every time?

If I see something over and over, I'm going to believe it's true. I've seen Jason Tatum, Marcus Smart, Jalen Brown. I've seen them in the playoffs. They don't have the size. They don't match up with Philly or Milwaukee great situationally late in games. I've seen this. I don't buy Boston. Bill Simmons is like, this is our best team.

It's been 10 years. And I watch them and I'm like, no, no, this is exactly what they've always been. Occasionally spectacular. But I don't feel like they would defend Biggs as well. I think there's limitation. I mean, Jalen Brown is one of those. I don't think they're going to get out of round one. People like, oh, Nick, you're a hater.

Okay. So I just, you know, if the playoffs start today, here's my issue for Boston. And there's always the issue. And this is why the folks who are on my head saying, I don't give Nikol a Yokic enough credit, I would like to see one of them,

at least have the faith in him if he's the MVP back to back, to say he can, carry a team in a Western conference finals, if not the NBA finals, if not the NBA finals this year. But nobody actually believes that. So on the Celtics,

what series are the Celtics going to have the best player on the court in? Not against Philly, obviously. Not against Milwaukee, obviously. I would argue in the playoffs, I'd rather have Jimmy Butler than Jason Tatum. I think Jimmy Butler is more proven, but people could

argue with me on it, fine. Obviously, not against Brooklyn. But, but, they're not going to face Brooklyn in round one because Brooklyn's the eight seat or whatever. Against Chicago, yeah, Tatum's better than DeRosen. So, like, I think it's winning playoff series. If you don't have a loaded roster is really hard if you don't have the best guy on the court. And I just, like, Boston, and that's why everyone's like, oh, Jason Tatum's a superstar.

No, Jason Tatum's, like, the 18th best player in the league, which is awesome. But never good enough. If your best guy is not a top guy, you're drawn dead in this league. Always. That's what we've always known. Give me 17 players better than Jason Tate right now. All right.

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I'm going to, okay, so here it is. I have to visualize my pyramid and I'll do it. LeBron, Janice, Durant,

agreed? Yep. Luca, Yokic, Embed. Steph, Kauai, Anthony Davis, Dane. We're at 10. James Hardin is 11, and now is here where it gets trickier. Would you rather have, I think Donovan Mitchell, I think Devin Booker have shown where they are. I think Jah is better than him.

Now we're at 14. Chris Paul, I haven't mentioned. Now we're at 15. The other guys that I had on there that I don't want to leave off, Paul George puts us at 16. Jimmy Butler puts us at 17 and Jason Tatum's 8. Well, I think Tatum falls into the sort of Donovan Mitchell, Devin Booker, Jason Tatum, that you can make arguments for all of them. And Trey Young deserves to be in there too.

Yep. I agree. Yeah. He's in that. He's in that somewhere between 12, somewhere between 11 and 16. You can, if Celtic fan's going to say 11, I'm good with it. I could make an argument. It's 15, 16. I think Donovan Mitchell is underrated.

I've always felt. Now, I mean, I think he plays on the deep. He was known as a defensive stopper before an offensive star. He has leadership qualities. He's been good and big playoff games. He's been good late. He can shoot a three. He can drive.

He's physical. He's a bunch of 50-point playoff games. That's the other thing. Like of those young guys, like Tatum's been to two conference finals. Yes. Well, Trey just carried a team to the conference finals his first time in the playoffs. Devin Booker just went to the actual finals, not conference finals, and JAA will see this year. I think Jaws better than all of them.

I think he's, I think after Luca, Jaws the best young guy. Yonnis isn't a young guy anymore, in my opinion. He's like in the healthy prime of his career. No, listen, I think, but this is the thing people always are like, oh, Tatum's going to, you know, he's going to win scoring titles. He's going to be an MVP. They only award one of those a year, guys. one scoring title, one MVP. They're hard to win.

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I think his temperament. That's why I like him more than Kyler or Aaron. You know, all these teams were making these moves. All the Packers did pay Aaron Rogers more money. I think Denver's going to be a much better team. It feels very much, I've been saying this for a year now. It feels very much like Tom to Tampa. We had all these young players that were better than everybody thought

except for like fantasy football players. like all these like Judy and Cortland Sutton and this Javante Williams like unless you're a fantasy football player you may not understand the value but they're all just ready to explode. I mean, Teddy Bridgewater and Drew Locke had 20 touchdowns and nine picks. Those two. And Vic Fangio, the coach, like offensive coach, Russell, we're getting to 30 and 7. We're getting around there pretty quickly. So, okay. Do you throw this top five stuff around?

Okay. Mahom. Mahomes. I'm not trying to just make this a list show, but let's just, Mahomes, Alan, Herbert. Do we agree they're all better than him? Those three. That's just three. Mahomes, Alan, Herbert. Mahomes, Alan, absolutely. You're not ready for Justin Herbert yet. Well, he's got to have a winning record in the league. I don't know that he does. I actually don't know that he has to have a winning record in the league.

Justin Herbert, by the way, has been the league two years. And in those two years, has won as many playoff games as Russell Wilson in the last two years, both with the old goose egg. Would you rather have Russ than Rogers? Time out. I didn't say that. Well, I'm asking. Well, Herbert's free right now. So if you're asking me as a GM who I want, I take Herbert because I have to pay him for two years.

No, that's fine. I move on from the Herbert thing. I said, would you rather have Russ than Rogers? Yes. Aaron, I think we have a 16 game playoff record, 7 and 9 at home often is a favorite. it. I think Aaron's into Aaron. I don't think he has leadership skills. I have data that proves he's not great coming from behind. He's a bailer, not a baller. He's not a foxhole guy. He's not optimistic. He's more cynical. I think he's a bad hang. I think he wears people out. I don't think he trusts many. That's a, by the way, that's been his issue, family on. He doesn't trust people. So I'm, I'm a, I just know with Russell, every day, all he thinks about is CR and football. I don't. See, I think I, and here's the thing. I think you're like the guy who was in love, in love with this girl when you guys graduated high school.

And then you both went to different colleges and you came back and she's giving you all this evidence. She's a different person. And in your mind, she still, she was four years ago. The Russell Wilson you fell in love with, I don't know that that guy still exists. He's not on the field. he's not as effective. And off the field, he seems like he's a bit of a pain in the ass.

Like, I know he's your guy, but he, the whole, I'm not demanding a trade, but here are four teams I would go to beyond, hold on, the ghost huddle on national television. Hey,

look at me, cameras. I'm, you know, doing a whole huddle and a whole two-minute drill with no teammates with my fingers broken.

And then having his doctor released that statement that seemed like it came from Trump's White House doctor, this is the greatest rehab of the greatest hand that you've ever seen. I think it's, I think your guy Russ has gotten a little Hollywood. I think he's a little Hollywood, Colin. There are people in Seattle who do, who did think he's changed.

I've heard that from people around the Seahawks. They thought he changed. And my takeaway is, we all change. He married one of the most beautiful people on the planet. He's got a Super Bowl. He's got a hundred million net worth. We all change. I think it is core.

He's an optimistic. aspirational, willful, focused guy. I think Aaron Rogers at his core is needy, doesn't have a wide net of social connections. I think he's odd. I mean, again, look at all the teams getting better. The Packers just paid Aaron Rogers more money. No, I think, listen, that part I agree with you on. I think the whole Rogers fiasco is mortifying for him.

I know he ended up making a ton of money, but I think it's an insane. What happened there, I think is insane. I was talking to an agent. I had dinner with an agent about three or four nights ago and he said, I've never seen an athlete lose more brand than Aaron in a year. He's like a lot of people want nothing to do with this brand. I've never seen an athlete lose, you know, whether it's cute. rating or popularity or anything without committing a crime faster than Aaron Rogers has.

Like, you know what I mean? Like the, this is, it's remarkable what, you know, the way he's viewed now as opposed to 12 months ago. I mean, literally, he's the highest paid quarterback in the league and he gets into semantics. And he didn't like the word used by Ian Rappaport. It's like, dude, you're the highest paid quarterback in the league. End of debate. Of course. You said agent and made me think of someone

because I was when I was thinking about the quarterbacks. What do you make of the Lamar thing? Why didn't Lamar have a deal? Did Lamar Jackson? I know, sorry to just throw that at you, but I thought of it because he doesn't seem to have an agent. I would argue of all the quarterbacks in the league, the one who should most want long-term security

is the one who rushes for 1,000 yards a year. Like, that's crazy to me that he hasn't signed a new deal. Well, Lamar's initial brand was undervalued and then very quickly turned to perhaps overvalued. He can't play from behind. Baltimore, like New England, pays infrequently drafts to replace everybody eventually, is willing to pay. But, you know, I've read multiple reports that say they're in discussions. Bouchardy likes him. John Harbaugh supports him.

But I was on the Lamar's undervalued until last year. And then I thought, you know, I'm going to keep my eyes open. Is he a tad overvalued? I'm not sure he's either. But would you have some concerns when you look at the trajectory of Herbert and Joe Burrow? Oh, I would have major concerns. And Josh Allen? I would have major concerns if I'm the Ravens.

But from what I understand, I think the Ravens have made him some offers. Like, it's not like they're like, we're not signing you. Now, maybe they're not signing him at $45 million a year. Maybe it's closer to $35 million a year. My point is this, I think given his playing style and that he didn't play great last year, if I were advising him, I would say you have to sign the contract. maybe you cost yourself a total of $12 million, but not signing the contract,

you might cost yourself $100 million. Like how much did Baker cost himself by not signing whatever the Brown's best last offer was? It might have been $100 million that he cost himself, $75 million, I don't know. I think for some of these guys that aren't short things or are bigger injury risks than others, the whole, and I've talked about this before,

betting on yourself sounds great, except for when it doesn't work out. When it doesn't work out, it's a Greek tragedy. It's not a story of inspiration. And I worry about Lamar in this regard. I think it's why Kyler is like, you got to pay me right now. And I'd be skeptical about paying Kyler too.

Yeah. Like, I wouldn't be a big fan of that, but I understand why he's doing that. He knows how big he is. He knows what's happened at the end of the years. I think Lamar not not doing everything he can to get a new contract is crazy. I think it's crazy. I think his mother is still his agent.

I know. That's what I'm saying. Like I think it's, I don't think it's great. I don't think he's getting great advice. All right. You and your wife have a new podcast. I didn't know she was on it. Now she is.

Well, she is on it very intermittently. But my sidekick on it, the person asking me my questions is my, asking me the questions is my son. So it's him and I with my wife and daughters chiming in occasionally. But yeah, it starts Tuesday and I'm excited for it. And I hope people can like and subscribe and everything. And I want to say something because someone sent you a tweet and I don't want to get two in the weeds on anything, but I happened to see it. And it said they were mad at you. They were like, ah, Uncle Colin, I'm disappointed that you didn't have Nick as a part of the volume. And one day, You know, that's a story for the memoirs for both of us.

But that is a story for my last book. That is a story. But I want America to know that Colin and I both, you know, did everything we could to make sure that we could continue to work together in every capacity possible. And Colin's hand has been open and out and assisting me in every step of my journey the last six years. So the idea that anyone would think you snubbed me from the volume, I want to nip that in the bud. That didn't happen. But like Colin allude to earlier, we all have different contractual stuff. But I'm very excited about this podcast that's starting on Tuesday.

It'll be a couple days a week. And it's short. This I'm learning from you on. Some people do podcasts at an hour and 40 minutes. These are going to be about 25 minutes long. I hope people subscribe to it. It's called What's Right. All right, buddy.

Good seeing you on a Sunday. I'm going to go watch the selection committee make their picks, bud. All right. Talk to you later. See you, Colin. Bye. The volume. Look through your children's eyes, and you will discover the true magic of a forest. Find a forest near you and start exploring at Discovertheforest.org. Brought to you by the United States Forest Service and the Ad Council.

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Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year.

Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, this is Robert from the Stuff to Blow Your Mind podcast. Joe and I are both lifelong Star Wars fan, so we're celebrating May the 4th with a brand new week of fun, thought-provoking Star Wars-related episodes.

Join us as we tackle science and culture topics from a galaxy far, far away, such as the biology of tontons and wampas on the ice planet hot, or the practicality and corporate business sense of the Sith Rule of Two. Listen to stuff to blow your mind on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the Look Back at it podcast. It was a big moment for me. 84 was big to me.

I'm Sam Jay. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a year, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. With our friends, fellow comedians, and favorite authors. Like Mark Lamont Hill on the 80s. 84 was a wild year. It was a wild year. I don't think there's a more important year for black people.

Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast. Guaranteed human.