The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast - Chiefs HUMILIATED By Eagles In Super Bowl! Eagles DOMINATE In The Trenches, Mahomes Not The GOAT Yet

Episode Date: February 10, 2025

Colin’s joined by John Middlekauff, host of “3 and Out” to react to the Eagles destroying the Chiefs in Super Bowl 59! They start with the Chiefs being completely overwhelmed at the line of scrimmage by both the Eagles defensive front and offensive line (3:00). They break down the incredible drafting by the Eagles in recent years and the noticeable talent gap between the two teams and credit Eagles GM Howie Roseman for building the best roster in a decade (10:30).  They credit Jalen Hurts for being the perfect fit for the Eagles offense and call him the “modern day Russell Wilson” (14:00)and why the Eagles are the perfect example of a team that has built their team incredibly well through the draft and why he deserved to win the Super Bowl MVP award (25:00). They discuss why one of the winners on the night is MYLES GARRETT in the trade market after a night where the Eagles pass rush dominated the game (31:00), and why the Eagles fans showed up in a huge way at the game (33:00).  They dissect why Nick Sirriani has proven himself as a great culture builder despite their earlier concerns and why he could be the perfect fit for Philly (38:00), and debate what this bad loss means for the legacy of Patrick Mahomes in the GOAT debate (42::30.  They float the idea of the Chiefs trading for Myles Garrett if Travis Kelce decides to retire and frees up salary cap space and how that could transform the franchise (52:00), and why the Cowboys should consider trading Micah Parsons in order to try to close the talent gap between them and the Eagles (56:15).   Finally, they talk about the importance of the Eagles landing Saquon Barkley, and the Jets deciding to move off of Aaron Rodges (1:03:00). Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates!  #Volume #Herd #3andOutSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You know, I was thinking about this. Listen, the Chiefs are going to be fine. They knew they were going to probably draft an offensive tackle in the first round, and there's plenty of them. But it's interesting. Brady's three Super Bowl losses, the point differential was minus 15. He could have literally run the table. Mahomes, it's minus 53 with two Super Bowl losses. He'll be three and two in Super Bowls. But I do think I would say this.

Again, Philadelphia, we both said they have the better roster. It's just hard to go against Andy Reid on two weeks, and Mahomes, who never loses close games. I did not think it would be this. But I do think, you know, one of the things I was thinking in the first half is that, you know, Brady would always generate something. He was just so good pre-snap. And it was a little, you know, listen, I know Philadelphia's defense is dynamic. And, you know, we didn't think Kansas City would run much on them. But were you a little disappointed that they couldn't generate six.

and the seven-yard throws. They couldn't max protect. It was like they weren't moving off their game plan. Yeah, I thought they were overwhelmed at levels in which you just don't see good teams overwhelmed in the line of scrimmage because it wasn't just edge pressures. It was interior pressures. I mean, Mahomes was under siege. They had, I think, seven yards after the first quarter, Colin, or excuse me, 19 yards on seven

place. That's because they got a first down on the first play from scrimmage, and then they essentially went three and out, three and out. So I just thought the defensive line, remember two years ago when the Eagles were in the Super Bowl, they led the league in sacks, and they had an excellent defensive line. I don't think this defensive line was looked as good as that one, because it wasn't productive top to bottom, but the way they played tonight, I mean, that's as well as you can play. And I don't know what you can do when your defensive tackles are doing that, when your defensive ends are doing that. I mean, the chiefs do have a guard playing left tackle.

Right. Well, 10 quarterback hits, six sacks, zero blitzes. I mean, think about that. And, you know, as I was watching this game with Philadelphia, I kept thinking about this. You know, for years and years, when Peyton Manning was in your division or Brady was, it affected how people in the division drafted. Yeah. You watched Philadelphia.

D and O lines. And if you're the Rams or the Lions or San Francisco or Dallas, don't you watch this game and think, Jesus, I'm the Rams. I'm like, you know, corner or defensive tackle in the third round. Like it was so dominating that it makes me think all the rivals of the Eagles have to look at this and think, you know, we've got to get better in the lines or we're not going to compete with this team for years. Yeah, I mean, that's to me, Howie and Andy has done this too. And the two Super Bowls they've lost, their offensive line has just let them down in those games. I mean, the Tampa situation, remember, they were missing two tackles. And tonight, they just got overwhelmed. But it's not just Jalen Carter tonight, right? I mean,

Brandon Graham does everything to come back off a torn shoulder or elbow. Sweat was incredible. Milton Williams has that play destroying. He was a third round pick years ago. He's about to be a free agent. He's going to get a ton of money. And to me, the offensive line for the Eagles, how about the difference when they would go back and forth? The Chiefs would punt and then the Eagles would come back.

And you'd be like, well, they're just not generating any pressure. Jalen's sitting back there having a hot dog. He's having some gumbo in the backfield. Just who's open? Who's not? I'll just scramble. Where Mahomes, within a second, he's moving around, scrambling left and right.

And yeah, I just think the offensive line and defensive line for the Eagles tonight, and really all season down the stretch, once they, remember, they started slow like two and two. And then since then they were the best team in football. And tonight they dominated. They absolutely dominated this game. Yeah, I mean, before tonight, Kansas City had won the last nine playoff games where they did not score first, where they trailed. Yeah. But in those games, I mean, it was really. interesting. Even early in the game, my first take after the first three drives for each team is,

it's one thing if you make mistakes, if you're nervous. I'm like, Jesus, Philadelphia is not even adding edge pressure. They're just putting their four guys out there and they can't block them. You know, as I look at over my notes, only three minutes time of possession in the first quarter. I think we forget, we've been spoiled, John. We've had, first of all, it was a great season. The quarterback play has never been better. A lot of people that were watching our podcast right now are in their 20s and 30s. This is what Super Bowls looked like in the late 70s and 80s and 1990.

I can remember the Giants beating Denver 3920, and then San Francisco beating Denver 55 to 10. And Denver got beat by Washington. 42 to 10, and then the Raiders hammered a couple of teams. You go back to the 80s right now. Google it if you're listening to us and you're watching at home. This is what Super Bowls looked like. I mean, there was a decade. People that was talking about the 70s NBA where there were no great teams. The 80s NFL were very few great Super Bowls. So we were on a run. We've had so many good Kansas City Buffalo games or Buffalo Baltimore games. We've just been so lucky in the AFC with Mahomes and Alan and Lamar, but there was a run in college football with

Alabama. This is what the title games were looking like. The Bama Notre Dame. This is what Super Bowls look like. So we hadn't had, I mean, I thought the Celtics Mavericks was a lobsided mess. But this was, this is one of those where I think it resonates beyond the game. I think you look at Philadelphia and they're going to have an impact on the draft and free agency. People will feel like in the NFC, you cannot compete with this roster for the next two to three years if you just don't get better up front. Well, I also think it's pretty rare in football, right? The coaches are such stars where in basketball and baseball, the executives can be pretty big names. You know, in basketball, GMs are a really big deal.

Listen, I've known Brett Veach for, I don't know, 15 plus years. Brett Veach is stud. And he's well known, I mean, he should be. He's been to five Super Bowls. He won three of them. But Howie is kind of the guy that serves the drink with the Eagles. He is much closer to someone in baseball. or basketball where he's the boss.

You know, when they need a coordinator, he's going after Vic Fangio. And I'm not trying to take anything away from Siriani. Clearly the guys, you know, they beat to his drum. Like, he gets them going from a inspirational standpoint, and he's good with the players. But he doesn't call plays or anything. He's a younger guy.

It's pretty rare to see a CEO head coach in his early 40s. But the talent on that team and the offseason moves. I mean, Colin, they signed a one-year four-million dollars Beckton who was fantastic guard. They got Zach Bond, a media at all pro, and they got Sequin Barkley, who had one of the better seasons of the history of the league. So, I mean, it's remarkable.

Howie Roseman became a Hall of Famer tonight. He's won two Super Bowls with two different coaches and two different quarterbacks. The last three Eagle drafts. Quinion Mitchell, Cooper DeGine, Jeelein, Carta, Nolan Smith, Jordan Davis, Nicobie Dean, Cam Jurgens, Devonte Smith, Landon Dickerson, and Milton Williams.

Not bad, huh? I mean, that is just, absolutely freaking insane. And he just... Let's factor in AJ Brown trade, signed Sequin Barclay. I mean,

think about the other things he's done on top of those draft picks. You know, it makes me think about this. I was watching the other day. I was watching Rick Petino

at St. John's. St. John's was a dead program. Rick Petino takes it over a couple years you're like, Jesus,

are they one of the seven to eight best teams in the country? Now, I don't know if they are. But Petino, who just, he grinds his staff,

He grinds his players. He's a very good recruiter. There are just guys that are better in every industry. You know, the top 5% of realtors make 90% of the money. And you just start looking at some of these places like Cincinnati. They can't keep there two years ahead of paying Jamar Chase and they're already bailing on defensive players. This roster, the only roster I can compare it to is the Seahawks roster, you know, the one that Brady beat in the Super Bowl where, I mean, they just, They're defensively, it was, it's just Richard Sherman.

Earl Thomas, Cam Chancellor, I mean, Michael Bennett, they were, Bobby Wagner and his prime, they were loaded. Yeah, they were absolutely loaded. But, yeah, do you know, listen, Andy Reid, I don't think there's as much you can do. I just think they got sacked. And by the way, both Super Bowls that Kansas City has gotten drubbed, they just couldn't protect Mahomes. But it was different. And the first one, they were missing a left tackle. They moved Tuny over.

It was still a mess and nothing they could do. You know, it's interesting about this, is that I'm watching Jalen Hertz tonight. And I've always said, I think he's kind of a B-plus guy in the pocket, really good athlete. I love his personality, like Dak Prescott, really mature, in a noisy locker room, and a noisy coach, in a noisy city, in a noisy, you know, talk radio. He's just a perfect kind of temperament, just a really mature, smart kid. But, you know, I was watching him tonight. First of all, there's a couple of routes he throws really well.

One of them, the sideline route. He's great at it. And the other one is that kind of underneath that that tight end route that Goddard gets about three a game. And, you know, it's just interesting for all the questions about Jalen Hertz, this is almost, you know, like when the Warriors are playing small ball. And we've never in our life thought the NBA, the smallest team would win. And the Warriors had like this six-year run. You're like, what the hell is this? And everybody was chasing it.

And we were all going, you know, what is this? And, you know, it's just interesting to watch this Philadelphia team is that Jalen hurts with any other team. We may look at this and just think, you know, this doesn't work. I'm not so sure he's not the perfect quarterback for this team. From the tush push to his personality to he's, he's, you know, the routes he throws well are perfect. I just look at him tonight.

And I'm like, sometimes it's just fit. Draymond Green fit on that Warriors team. He plays for the Wizards. Does he ever make an impact? Yeah. But I just, I love Hertz with this line, with Barclay, with the crowd, with the organization. He can be, let's face it. I mean, they've won a lot of games when he's been off.

And it speaks to the talent on their team. But there is no disputing when he's on. They are an unstoppable force. Yeah. And you felt it. early tonight, you're like, God, he looks pretty comfortable. He looks on. Yeah. Even that AJ Brown pass that he had early in the game that they called pass interference

on AJ. He went, oh, he's kind of feeling it. Well, John Dodson early. Yeah. Oh, how about that play call was fantastic? And Jalen hit him. He throws his go ball. Is he a little bit the modern day Russell Wilson? I mean, his deep ball is pretty beautiful. He is the modern day Russell Wilson. Well, we don't love him in the pocket. You wish it was bigger. But he's a good leader. Probably a more dominant runner, I feel a little bit.

You know, Russell didn't run quite as much. He did early, I guess, but I feel like Jaylen's a little bit more powerful as a runner, a little more, I don't know, just more dynamic in the open field. Though Russ was good when he was young. And now for our next segment, Whiskey Business, brought to you by Green River Whiskey, the official whiskey of the Colin Cowherd podcast. If you want to enjoy life's simple pleasures, reach for Green River Whiskey. Whether it's rye whiskey, single barrel bourbon, you're getting over a century of craftsmanship packed into every bottle.

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Remember, they lost earlier in the season to Atlanta. I think it takes people time to figure out what they are themselves and then teams to figure out what you are. And I think him throwing the ball 22 times and running at 11 is perfect. That is, and a tush push, that is exactly what Jalen Hertz should do. Throw it about 24 times, run 8 to 12. He's not, you know, I don't want him being Matt Stafford. I don't want him throwing 37 times.

I think he had the perfect Jalen Hertz game. I would agree. I mean, I think he's best when they don't put it all on. him and they're also when they're winning because they can run the ball. And he tonight was a bigger part of that than Seekwan. You know, hit me tonight. There was a, there was a visual of Patrick talking to Carson Wentz on the sideline, I think late in the third quarter. It's like at one point in time, Jalen came in, essentially Wally Piped this guy. They booted him out. And now he's winning the MVP with that guy watching as the backup. I mean, what, how crazy is this league that, I mean,

this guy was drafted number two overall. They gave a, they gave him a hundred million. million dollars and then not that many years later jalen gets put in the same situation highly criticized but figures out a way to you know become super bowl MVP that's i i never would have thought he would have been this good when he was coming out and i watched a lot of him at oklah obviously he's improved greatly throughout his time in the nfl i still think sometimes you know he can be a little um sometimes when he's in the pocket and he doesn't see it right away he kind of, you know, he kind of feels lost. But tonight he was completely under control.

And when he's under control, and for whatever reason, the Chiefs weren't getting home, like sometimes he takes some bad sacks. You know, his running ability is a pretty huge, added, you know, dimension for his game. And then when his deep ball is on, he's just a tough player to play.

And because their receivers are so good, I'm telling you, when he hit that first ball to AJ, I was like, whoa, he's feeling confident tonight because he hit him in stride. and then the rest of the night he never missed. But, you know, congratulations to a guy. You play in Philly, and I think he'd tell you, like, I played for Nick Saven for three years.

Like, I'm used to getting screamed at all the time. Like, I've heard it all. I heard it all by the time I was 21 years old. So not an easy town to play it, man. And he's handled it pretty well. Yeah, I think, you know, it's the old saying about inner scoreboard, outer scoreboard. I think he's the classic inner scoreboard guy.

You see a lot of pro athletes, flex or entertainers, deep down they're just wildly insecure. Jalen hurts never has to brag. I think it just shows you the inner scoreboard, the inner confidence he has is he doesn't have to constantly project. He doesn't care what people think. And I think there's that simmering confidence that in any profession, Saban talked about this for years. Warren Buffett's talked about this. There's a lot of talkers. There's a lot of. And then there's the guys that just, they're just really good. They know they're good. they don't have to tell you. And I think that's Jalen Hertz.

I think Jalen Hertz looks at himself deep down and goes, you know what? I know what I'm good at. I squat 600 pounds. I'm mobile. I'm smart. I'm hardworking. And I'll say it.

There are some routes in this league. He throws a beautiful sideline ball. And by the way, tonight he hit on a deep ball, as Brady said during the broadcast, that's a throw of a lifetime. Like, that was a perfect seed down the field. If I would have told you 10 years ago, the Eagles would have two Super Bowls with Nick Foles and Jalen Hertz. You know, who would have thought? I mean, it's just, that's the crazy part about football is, you know, Nick wins one as a backup quarterback.

Jalen's draft in the second round. People thought it was an insane pick because they had Carson Wentz. A couple years later, they built the old franchise around him. And now he's a Super Bowl MVP. I mean, it's just. What did Jerry Krause say? Franchises win championships. And I think the Eagles are a very good example of that

because they truly have won it that way as a team. Where I think sometimes, you know, the Chiefs can be very Andy Spaggs, Mahomes, dependent. The two coaches, the schemes, and the quarterback doing stuff where the Eagles is like all their guys. I mean, they had random D.Bs tonight making place. Cooper DeGine, the second guy they drafted as a pick six. You got, oh, that's not Jalen Hurt or that's not Jalen Carter. That's their fifth defensive line making a sack. It's like, where are these guys coming from?

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I'm not trying to overreact. But when they won the finals last year, you're like, they're like significantly better than every team in the league. And I watched them last night. And I'm like, I'm not overreact. Boston's going to win it again. They're just better than everybody. Yeah.

And I'm watching Philadelphia here. And I'm like, yeah, this. This team's not going anywhere because it would be one thing if the quarterback was cocky or if they had a bunch of free agents or they didn't draft well. John, seven of their best players are like in year one or two. Well, think about it. They just won the Super Bowl. In two of the better players in franchise history, Jason Kelsey and Fletcher Cox had retired this year. So you know what hit me tonight is remember when Fangio and the Miami Dolphins like got a divorce and then Howie hires him 24 hours.

hours later in the Dolphins. He was just too mean. He was too demanding. It's like, guys, this is football and this is defensive football. I got news for you. The guy knows what he's doing. And the one thing we've seen with Vic, with Jim Harbaugh, the one year when they was he was with the naggy and the bears and they traded for Khalil Mack. And then this year with a, you give him talent, it is on. Because one thing you and I talked about is like his record against Andy Reid, but it's like, well, really if you siphon those teams out, he did not have good teams in Denver. So nothing of the caliber of talent that he was rolling into this Super Bowl with.

I mean, Colin, the, when you have one good unit, you could have a good defense, right? When all four of your, or three of your levels of defense are good, their defensive line is outstanding. The linebackers, they have an all-pro linebacker in Bond who had a pick tonight. And then all their DBs are good, you know? I mean, CJ will hit. Cooper DeGine and Mitchell, the rookie corners are excellent. And Slay is still a solid player.

So they're good at every single level of the defense. And they have one of the best defensive coordinators in the league. Like he can't win it because he's a coach. But if you told me they gave the Super Bowl MVP to Vic Fangio, because the game was, it felt like over pretty early on because defensively, the Eagles were, I don't remember the 85 bears, but I would have bad. They smothered him. And it was like, have they even made it past midfield?

And then finally Burkhart's like, they have not crossed midfield yet. They're like, it didn't feel like it. You know, John, one of the many reasons the NFL is king, and you and I are both football guys, I do love the NBA playoffs, and I love March Madness, and I love a good golf major, and I love the World Cup. And by the way, last year, I love baseball playoffs last year. I thought they were just fan. Oh, I thought the National League playoffs were insanely good. But one of the reasons that the NFL continues to have such a visceral connection with us, is college football. And the Eagles are an advertisement for get the draft right. And this is why you and I are draft guys. And I've told my friends this for years is you can't buy your way to a championship. All the bad GMs in football overspend in free agency. Where in the NBA, if the Lakers get Luca, you're like in a big trade at the trade deadline, you're like, wow. The Eagles are just an advertisement for you start nailing multiple drafts.

That's why you can go get A.J. Brown. That's why you can pay Sequin and A.J. Brown. Because you just keep nailing draft pick after draft pick. Like the Rams are in a spot now. They'll keep Stafford. But they've hit on like six straight defensive draft picks. If they have another good draft, it's like, okay, then you get to the point where you can just go buy elite players.

Yeah. I mean, I've mentioned this to you. And I think it's when well-doccurable. minute is once they missed on Jalen Rager for Justin Jefferson, they had an internal meeting that what are we doing overthinking this? We're going to take the best players from the best program. So when you listed all those players, that was a lot of Alabama and Georgia in that list of players. And it paid dividends. I mean, it paid big time dividends because, you know, from Jalen Carter to Devonte Smith to Landon Dickerson to this year was somewhat unique with Mitchell

in Cooper DeGene, but Mitchell is a good example of a guy like Ashton Genty this year with Boise. He could have got a million dollars and gone to Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State. But he chose to stay at his program. That's why he was, I think, Tulane or Toledo. I think it might have been Toledo. And Cooper DeGine was Iowa, which is one of the better defenses in the league. But they're not drafting little school guys anymore.

They've been burned. You know, Carson, I think, you know, that situation. And then obviously the Jalen Rager over Justin Jefferson at the time was the COVID draft. And remember the Minnesota Vikings were on the clock next and they go to the video of Spielman. And he's laughing him and Zimmer because they couldn't believe that they didn't just take Justin Jefferson. And that scarred Howie. And Howie's come back swinging.

I mean, to go to two Super Bowls in three years, and let's face it, this was a lot different team than two years ago. Right. Kelsey's gone. Fletcher Cox gone. So they had to kind of reshape the squad with some impact players. And they did it with, you know, Jurgens and landed. Dickerson inside and Abedden. But to me, Jalen Carter, who, you know, tonight's not going to be his greatest performance,

but what he's meant to him this year, I mean, that is, he was sick all week. He's a dominant, dominant impact player. Yeah, it's, you know who else? Their roster is really good. I mean, you know what else I thought tonight, John, you know who else won tonight? Miles Garrett. If you're in the target zone of Philadelphia, I'm sitting around and I'm looking and I'm Buffalo. Or maybe I'm Kansas City or I'm one of these teams. I'm the Rams. And I think to myself,

look at Philadelphia's roster. Guys, we can't catch up to that in a draft. We're paying a staffer too much. Any one of these teams, maybe it's the Chargers. But I kept, I'm watching this tonight and I'm thinking, boy, if I'm a GM in a week, Ralph Garrett makes up a lot of ground. I'll tell you who will sniff around on Miles Garrett. It'll be Howie and the Eagles. Because Josh Sweat, I think he is a free agent. Milton Williams definitely is. And Bonn is too, though I think they'll want to keep them

and maybe franchise them at worst. But I could see them offering two first round picks and paying Miles Garrett and just letting sweat and Milton Williams going. Just plug him right in there with your young guys. I mean, Howie 100% will be in the mix. I'll promise you that. You know, I was thinking about this tonight. The crowd was about 70, 30, Philadelphia, and a lot of that is because Philadelphia is just a much bigger city and they've got more fans.

And it's probably a closer flight. And there's a lot of people in Philadelphia that make a lot of money. It's a, you know, it's a major, you know, your typical East Coast city with a lot of affluence. And I've got to be honest with you. I really like, I'm very happy for Philadelphia. I thought Kansas City would win. But John, I've said this before. When the SEC was kicking everybody's ass, I used to say, well, they care more.

There's no reason Ohio State football's that good. Ohio's not a rich state, but they have the biggest NIL. The state has probably 15 good high school players a year, really elite high school players. USC should be better. Texas should be better. Georgia should be better. The Florida school should be better. Ohio State just cares more.

And when the SEC was crushing everybody, my take was, okay, it means more. It's like the slogan. You work for the Philadelphia Eagles. They freaking care. Go listen to Sports Talk Radio in Philadelphia. Go look at the ratings of sports talk radio in Philadelphia. They are so passionate. And I got to be honest to you, when I was a sportscaster on the West Coast, and I was doing morning drive radio and the 11 o'clock news, I remember one time one of the announcers in town came up to me.

He was an older guy, and he said, you're going to kill yourself. You're sleeping four and a half, five hours a night. And then I moved ESPN on the East Coast. And my takeaway was, everybody works like that in the East Coast. It's just like that. In the West Coast, I was a workaholic. In the East Coast, I was just a worker. And my take is Philadelphia just so deeply cares, the media, the fans, the organization, Howie

Roseman. I just have so much damn respect for the for the Eagles. I just, I'm not unhappy tonight. Their owner cares a lot. He pumps a lot of money in that franchise. When you and I record a podcast, what day would that have been Wednesday when I got to New Orleans? Maybe it was Tuesday and I went out and met some people from the Eagles and the Chiefs.

The way they talked about the Eagles draft room, I mean, the amount of money that Jeffrey Lurie built building their draft room, which is relatively new. I mean, it's like second to not. It's stuff. You know, in the NFL, you know, Clark Hunt takes a lot of crap because he doesn't pump that much money into stuff. And he goes, well, we're not, this isn't college. We're not recruiting here.

Because the NFL, right? That has never been Jeffrey Lurie's thing that he has invested a ton. So it really does start there. But, you know, and I've seen this with the Warriors, you got to win or else he gets edgy. And they're firing people. You know, but they win, they'll pay guys. I mean, look at last year. Their season ended.

that was pretty crazy. They started 10 and 1, and then they couldn't win a game. Their defense was atrocious, and they got destroyed, I think, was it Monday night football against the bucks?

I think 32 to 9. They fire everybody. It felt like besides Siriani, Howie, and the players. They build a new staff. They get the highest paid

defensive coordinator and Kellyn Moore that they had a unique relationship with because he was with the Cowboys forever, and they paid him a lot of money. And it paid dividends immediately. We all agree. Vic Van Joe is one of the best defensive coordinator,

there's a league and Kellamore immediately becomes a head coach. The one thing is with Philly, and this is true with Andy Reed back in the day and now in Kansas City, you go work there as a coach, as an executive, like you go places. You know, it's one of those places that like sends you to greater heights. And I think it's a lot because, like you said, the vibe in the building, I remember coming from Fresno State from Pat Hill who had worked at Belichick. And my first week, I was like, I don't know if I'm going to last. It's like Wall Street.

I mean, it's just intense. You know, I'm 24 years old. It's just, it's just an, we're an OTAs. I'm like, this Howie Rosen, guys, insane. But there's just, he has, he has an ambition and an energy that, you know, talking to people when I was in New Orleans, that's no different from what I've been told than it was 15 years ago. And I've heard that about Andy Reid forever. His work ethic now is no different than it was in 2007. He still gets the office at the same time.

Still the same passion. These guys are just driven on that, you know, Phil Savage, you see. to call it the football treadmill and Sabin and Belichick would get on it in the beginning of like July or, you know, the beginning of August when camp would start and they just never break stride until the season ends. Where most guys, you know, in football, hell, I'd get exhausted, but they are just unfazed by the pressure, by the games, by the injuries. And I think, you know, I think both, I think Howie and, you know, Andy, I mean, Andy already was a Hall of Famer. I don't see Howie, two Super Bowls, two different coaches, two different quarterbacks, and a lot of

five, six-year span, Colin? That's pretty unheard of in this modern day NFL. Yeah, it's... As a guy that does have all the power, you know, that some GMs don't. Like, he does. It's time to look at this weekend's tastiest matchup in this week's Sunday night food ball brought to you by Uber Eats. Yeah, it's, you know, Nick Seriani is so fascinating to me because I've said before. You know, I was thinking about this tonight. There are two different kind of coaches, and this is, I'm talking successful coaches. There's two types of coaches that are successful in this league. There's the scheme guys. Shanahan is a scheme guy. Andy Reed is a scheme guy.

Kevin O'Connell. Kevin O'Connell. I think Belichick defensively was a scheme guy. And then there's culture guys. Vrable, I think is, I think Dan Campbell. I think Jim Harbaugh is, is McVeigh is. McVe's a little bit of both, where he's got great culture, but he can do the schemes. But you generally, it's like that for years and years, they talked about the walk-around coaches. Some guys call plays. Other guys are like Jimmy Johnson. They walk around and they coach their coaches. Sabin was always like that. He coaches his coaches. But Siriani, I don't know what he is. He's not a scheme guy, clearly. The minute he gives up play calling, they're better. He doesn't feel like he's the culture guy. it feels more like it's Howie and Lurie.

I don't know how to categorize him, and this is not a criticism of him. You know, I was thinking about this tonight watching the game. It's like there are people that, I mean, I don't have a strong opinion. My take is maybe he's a perfect fit for Philly. Maybe this roster is so damn good that it's hard to screw it up. What do we classify Siriani as a guy that literally his, His position coaches literally had to confront him because he was,

because he was jawing at like Jalen Carter. It's like, what the hell am I watching? I will say this, talking to people in New Orleans, the people in the building really, really like him. So he is well liked and has a lot of respect from players and coaches. Tonight, the way they came out, you know, he is in charge of just the messaging of the team, right, team meetings. They were ready and they were loose.

They didn't feel tight that they came out swinging. You know, if Nick Siriani was Jim or John Harbaugh, and his team had just looked like that, we would be calling it one of the great Super Bowl performances in recent memory, right? Because like you said, we don't have that many blowouts in the last, the internet age. They were all like when I was a kid in the 90s. Those type games don't really exist. And he just did it in some way because of,

I don't want to say the negative connotation around them, but I think fans and definitely people that talk about football probably don't put him on the same level as some of these other guys. But he has been to two Super Bowls in three years. And he went toe to toe with Andy Reed and the last one. He beat the crap out of him. And this one, it's got to mean something. So I've been hard on him, but I don't, you got to give him his credit and his flowers for this performance because his team, they just showed up with an edge. And so whether that's, you know, knowing the right things to say to your coaches, knowing when to leave them alone.

however they handled the Super Bowl week of being loose but also being focused because approaching these two weeks is not easy they also have some young players I mean they're starting multiple rookies Jalen Carter's a second year guy so that they do have young guys and it's not like Kelsey

and Fletcher Cox's there to hold everyone's hand so I think he deserves a lot of credit for just how focused the team will I mean coming out you could tell early like God the Eagles are here to play I didn't think it was going to you know a quarter in you're like okay the Chiefs will figure it out but this is going to be hard.

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Here's the good news for Kansas City. Rishi Rice looked like a number one when he got hurt. Worthy now has established himself as a big time player. They finally have the receiver situation kind of sorted out. They're going to have to figure out tight end. And they're going to draft a left tackle with their first pick. So Kansas City's going to be fine. Let's not, for the record.

Brady didn't lose. I mean, one of the great things about Tom Brady is that Brady just didn't lose big very often. And I think so much that's where Brady's underrated. The other day I had him on the show on Friday. Tom just wouldn't call plays if he thought it was trouble. He's the greatest quarterback ever. He and Peyton Manning at the line of scrimmage. They're just just either it's smart, either whatever, it's cognitive, it's homework, prep, whatever it is.

But I look at this game tonight. It's not going to tarnish Mahomes. And I'm not saying that. but he has now two blowout losses where they look lost in Super Bowls. Do you look at it just, do you look at him just slightly differently? Because pregame, we're talking about, is he going to be in that, are we going to start struggling with the argument? And you kind of watch this thing and you're like, man, they didn't move the chains when

Philadelphia was rolling. Yeah, to me, he had a long way to go to catch Tom. I mean, one Tom played to lose, 45, won a Super Bowl in his 40s. He beat Mahomes twice. I think that talk was a little premature because even if he had one in night, he would have won four. Tom is seven. The other thing is, Patrick Mahomes, let's say he had one at night, wasn't not only,

he wasn't the best quarterback in the NFL, there were multiple quarterbacks better than him. You know, we talk about, because of his resume is so much better than Lamar, Josh, and Joe, that he gets put ahead of them, and rightfully so, but just on a weekly basis, I mean, Joe Burrell was elite this year. Lamar Jackson was better this year than he was last year and he won the MVP, and Josh Allen literally just won the MVP. But he beats them in playoff games and that has an outweighed importance. So I'm all for it, but I just think Patrick Mahomes, I think right where he sits right now and he's 30 years old, so he has a long way to go, is much more in the

in the Peyton Manning. You know, Peyton Manning, I vividly remember the pick six he had in the Sean Payton Super Bowl in 2009 to Tracy Porter. He played, was it Seattle in that in their first Super Bowl and they won 70 to zero or whatever the score. I mean, they housed them when the first play was snapped over. So it's, you know, Peyton Manning had some weird playoff moments. You know, Tom's career is pretty unprecedented.

And even Patrick, it's like you said, I mean, the point differential in the two games. Tom didn't have those games. Now, I also think you can call plays for Patrick, and Patrick can do things in plays that gets them in situations when it's not going well. He's doing 360s and running into sacks. Tom Brady didn't have that. Tom had to, if he was under arrest, the ball is either going to Julian Edelman or Grasque quick or he's throwing the ball away or hitting the ground.

He's not doing any of that. Patrick Mahomes. I don't want to say hero ball because for a lot of it, it works. Tonight, when it looks bad, it looks really. When it looks bad, it looks like he's. playing like Russell Wilson or something tonight, right? Yeah. You know, Justin Fields and it's just way off.

Yeah, I mean, in the first half, my takeaway was, oh, Tom would engineer something here. Tom would get rid of the ball. Like I'm watching their routes. Tom would shorten the routes. Tom would go to the sidelines. Tom would say, in that first half, it was 24-0 at half, and everything looked the same. And that's where I think you see the difference with Brady and Mahomes. If Tom had back-to-back poor drives, he would go to the sidelines.

He'd bark. He would on the fly just change stuff. And I mean, he said it again on my show Friday. Like, I go to the line. If I don't think we, if we're not lined up, I'm not calling that play. I'm audibling out of that play. I didn't see a lot of that with Mahomes. I think they just kind of stuck with what they were doing. At one point, they showed a shot from behind him and they were running deep routes in the first half. And I was thinking, guys, you have to shorten every route. You got two seconds max to throw. I think if they could do it over again, they would have tried to run the ball more early. They were passing it done stop and it just was not working. Even if you're only gaining a couple yards, it just settles everyone down. They didn't start running into like the third

or fourth drive and it was already felt like it was too late. And I think they got, they came in with the game plan that they could throw on them. And after that first play where I think they had juju for a first down, first play the game, it was a disaster. You know, just, Kelsey wasn't moving that fast. They were just out of sync. I mean, they're tackled. I think he retires. I think he retires. I think he does too. Yeah. I think it's, I mean, I think he's a shell of himself physically. And listen, he's one of the all-time

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Travis Kelsey retires. He's off the books. Chris Jones, you get Miles Garrett. Kelsey's gone. I mean, you're not paying your receivers. You're paying Mahomes, Chris Jones, Miles Garrett. Your receivers are all free. You're going to draft a left tackle.

You're not paying your running backs. You're not paying a lot of these young defensive players. You're not paying McDuffey yet. Why can't Kansas City look at this game and go, let's go get Miles Garrett? I mean, I think they would think long and hard about it. I mean, they'll be in the mix. Yeah, I mean, they've made trades like this before. They'll make them again.

So, yeah, I wouldn't be. They'll be sniffing around. I mean, he may not be Reggie. White or Lawrence Taylor or Aaron Donald. He's, he is the closest thing to it. I think he's pretty close. I think he's, I think if he played for the Chiefs or the Ravens or the Packers or the Niners, I think we would talk about him closer to that than he plays for the Brown.

So he doesn't get quite discussed like that. Yeah, no, I think you're right. I think he's, I think there are these players. How often, and I see, he still, I think, in this prime, he's in great shape. Freak. How often in your lifetime is Reggie White available? Reggie White was available because the owner of the Eagles was so cheap. He was asking players to pay for equipment, if you remember.

This was pre-Jeffrey Lurie. It was a mess. I think the owner had hired Rich Coat tight. He let Reggie White go. He was just a mess as an owner. It's like Miles Garrett, Buffalo, I mean, Buffalo already allowed Kansas City to draft Mahomes. and worthy. And by the way, Trent McDuffie. I mean, they moved up for Trent McDuffy. Like, if I'm Buffalo, I go by Miles Garrett. I just, I figure out a way to make it work.

I'm not paying James Cook. I'm not paying my tight end Kincaid. I'm not paying Campbell the receiver. I mean, you're, I don't know. I just, I look up Miles Garrett and I, and I'm watching the Eagles tonight. And if I'm Kansas City or Buffalo, I'm like, guys, how do we make up ground considerably in an off season? This is a weak draft. It can't be the draft. I just think I kept saying tonight watching this, I'm like, if Miles Garrett's agent should feel great. I would throw the NFC North teams in there as well, the Packers. I know the Lions have Aiden Hutchison, but I did want two of them. I would throw the Vikings, too, if they end up not going with Sam Darnold.

And they let Sam Darnold go somewhere else. They're going to go with J.J. McCarthy. They should be all over Miles Garrett as well. So I think the teams that are drafting in the 20s, not only are every single one of those teams on the phone with Cleveland, them Browns already, I think they've already made like substantial offers. Like just to let you know our starting offers are two ones and a two, we're open for business. Counteroffer us. We got to, you see our 53 man roster.

You see our draft picks. If you want more, shoot me an email. But that's where we start and you guys come back at us because I think clearly the Browns don't want egg on their face. Like you never want to be the person trading great players who like you said, this is. is a this is not a fat, overweight aging guy. He is a physical freak. He's like LeBron, a football.

But he is, he was smart about it. He handled it in a classy way. Then he went to the media row or whatever and just kind of doubled down in just, in a very measured way. Sometimes these can feel a little like, this is weird. I was like, yeah, I respect this guy. I wouldn't want to play in Cleveland either if I was him, right? I mean, I have an opportunity to be an all-time great.

I'm stuck here. We also have the situation of Deshaun Woff. I don't see the playoffs coming for the foreseeable future. We got Joe Flacco lightning in a bottle. When's that happening again? Probably not. And if you're Cleveland, you can ship him out. You can kind of reset while you have this Deshawn Watson albatross of a contract for another

hundred plus million dollars on the books. You got the number two pick. You trade Miles Garrett and you kind of restart your franchise. 42 Eagles in an absolute route. God, I... It's not good for Dallas. I was thinking about that. Oh, no, I wrote this down.

We got Washington. He's figured it out. You got the Eagles who are going to be awesome again next year. The NFC is just really good. Dallas needs six to seven more elite players to compete with Philadelphia. Six to seven more elite players. That's why I've said, do you move... Because I think Micah Parsons is a good player.

I don't think he's close to Miles Garrett or T.J. Watt. I don't think he's in that class. My take is, do you move my, do you move him and get two first round picks? Dallas just doesn't have the offensive firepower. Now, Dax off his second injury. No, I wrote it down. I kept this, I thought this game, I thought Philadelphia, this resonates with a lot of teams. I'm thinking Dallas has to look at this and goes, you know, shit, we, we got more, we need six more good players.

And if you're paying CD Lam and Dack, we're not getting them in the draft. It's a weak draft. We have to move people and hit on draft picks. I mean, I don't want to be, you know, again, you know, hyperbolic. But you just look, this, Andy Reid does not get humiliated. I mean, it's like they got, they got humiliated in a Super Bowl where their left tackle got hurt late. They could not move the chains. It was funny because my producer, Ryan sent me something during the game.

he said, it's the fewest first half yards with the Mahomes as quarterback ever. They had 23 total yards in the first half, 45 penalty yards. That's crazy. What you watched was one of the greatest dismanly. In the first half, they had one first down and two turnovers. This thing was, and that's Mahomes and Reed, and that's Kelsey. Jesus. I think one thing, the Chiefs, you know, Pacheco's a solid player, but they could just,

use, I mean, obviously, like, Sequin or McCaffrey, but just draft a guy in like the second or third round who's just a really good starter and who could be your starting running back behind him for a long time. I think that would, you know, or a tight end, one of those two positions with Kelsey going, because that position helps. I mean, how much does that help Jalen hurts, just being able to dump it off to God or throw it to Sequin all the time? Because it was so evident through that game, obviously they hit some huge plays to AJ and Devante Smith and even, uh, to Goddard as well, but they also just have some easy first downs where, like, the Chiefs, how hard did they have to work to gain like three yards? It's like, this is not sustainable.

Like, this is, this is not possible. I actually think Micah Parsons, I think the Chiefs would be all over him as well. I mean, I, it would not shock me. I think, remember Stephen had some comments toward the end of the season that, you know, we got to, you only have so much money to build the team doesn't make sense. Obviously, you want to have Micah Parsons on your team, but financially. And then I saw Rap Sheets said today, like they've already had internal discussions. I think, you know, Miles Garrett is a better all-around player. But I think when you look at his age and, you know, this would be his first contract, I think you're getting multiple ones and a two.

Like they would get a haul for Micah Parsons. And the good teams, you know, I think what would complicate it for the Cowboys is like, would you trade Micah Parsons or would they do it to the Packers and the Lions? Probably not. Or the Washington. Obviously, they wouldn't do it to Washington. And so you bring up the bills, like if Micah Parsons, you should be all over Micah Parsons. Yes.

If you're the bills, you know. Yeah, I mean, because listen, Kansas cities drop 35 plus points against Buffalo every time they play in these playoff games. Like with Sean McDermott. So listen, you got to create something. You know, sometimes these markets like Green Bay or Buffalo, because the media, part of the success of Philadelphia is the media is so relentless. And I can remember when I lived in Connecticut, listen. to WFAN and occasionally WIP. And there was no question that front offices were pressurized. No question by the onslaught of fans. Owners listen to fans. Owners talk to GMs.

And I do think it's one of the advantages in the Northeast. Right now, the Celtics are the best NBA team and the Eagles are the best NFL team. And in baseball, the Dodgers just by the best players. But I do think there's a pressurized environment. And it's like normalized now. Like everybody understands you go play in the East. The media's tough. The fans are tough. Like it's just part of it.

Everybody, if you can't handle it, don't go there. And, you know, I think, I think these markets like Green Bay and Buffalo, it's, let's be honest. The media is not as loud. It's more supportive. I mean, in Philadelphia, Sean McDermott is out of a job. It's done. He's already been canned.

He could not beat a team where you felt like you had, you know, at least as talented to quarterback, McDermott would be gone in Philadelphia. And so I think, you know, sometimes those markets, they're too nice, you know, Buffalo and Green Bay. I, to me, both those teams need Miles Garrett. You're not going anywhere. I mean, it's like I like LaFleur. I like McDermott. Buffalo's not winning that game. They get out coached and outplay. Just go buy him. So go trade for him. I'd love to see it. You know, it's funny. I'm trying to wrap. tonight's game and above before I move on for about 10 minutes on something else. I'm just, I'm not unhappy.

Philadelphia, front office ownership quarterback down earned tonight. Good for them. Yeah, I mean, I think what happened to them last year, their turnaround this year, the Sequin-Barkley signing, I mean, it's just an all-timer, Colin. It's just, you see it in basketball and baseball. Football-free agency, you know, the days, of like Reggie White or Dionne Sanders.

It just doesn't really happen anymore with franchise tags. It's just very rare. I mean, great players change teams, but it's usually big trades in the NFL. It's very rare a guy, 25, 26-year-old blue chip guy is just available on the open market and how he signed him. And then the guy ran for a total, I think if you count the playoffs, like 2,500 yards. So, I mean, just very cool moment for him. You know, Jaylin had a good game and he takes a lot.

lot of shit, but Jaylen's been making 50 million for a couple years. Like, he's pretty well established as a good player. The Seekwan situation, anytime you're drafted really high and you go to a shitty team, and everyone's like, well, is he really worth it? We all agree he wouldn't have been as good on the Giants. But it's pretty clear.

It wasn't his fault when he was on the Giants. It's all the Giants. Because if you put that guy in a good team, man, that's, I mean, he had it's only one season, but that's like a Hall of Fame level season. One year, goes the Eagles, help pretty much leads their offense to the Super Bowl and their Super Bowl champ.

So congrats to Seguan Barker. That's really cool. Before we go, how about five minutes on this? Jordan Schultz and then Jay Glazer reported the Jets moved off Aaron Rogers. So for the second time in a couple of years, a team as Aaron flew out to New York thinking, positively, optimistically it would happen. They moved off him. I think the Colts and the Raiders work.

I think Chip Kelly, they have two tackles. They have a center. They have two good tight ends. They need their running back in a receiver. I think the Raiders works for Aaron Rogers. He'd take that over the Colts and Shane Steichen. But, you know, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady late in their careers, leave and have some success. Brett Farved it as well, got to an NFC championship, a throw from the Super Bowl.

Are you surprised that it was just two years of nothing? and the second team bailed on him. I'm not, but are you? You know, this new culture coming in. You know, Aaron Glenn's a former high-level player. Yes. So it's like, do I want to deal with some old aging, you know, what's the hardest thing to deal with sometimes in pro sports,

an aging former superstar, especially one that's a little different, you know, Peyton Manning that last year. Remember Kubiak and Elway had to sit him down and like, it was difficult. You took a pay cut. These are tough conversations. but I think it was pretty clear that the Johnson family was over this guy about two months left to go in the season. I wonder if part of the interviews was like,

Aaron's done here. Which most of these new code, who cares? Like, it's not like, okay, fine. I don't need them anyway. I think the question now is, is he even tradable? Because he's on the books for this year, his cash, you know, his cap hits 23 million.

I honestly think they'd probably have to cut them. I wonder if anyone would even trade for him. So it's like they just cut him. You cut them and then someone signs them for 10 million bucks. I mean, is he, is that what he's getting? Kind of a unique because if you think about it, Rathusberger's arm gave out on him, it was clear, but he just ends as a stealer. Manning's arm doesn't work. Wins the Super Bowl, but then no one would Reese on him.

Breeze's arm started going and it just ended. is he really just going to go play like what if the Titans outbid that and they give him 12 million the Raiders are only willing to give him so he's going to finish his career on the Titans because I do think it wouldn't just be those two I think a lot of teams would be interested

just to try to get their franchise you know these owners give them a little oomph if you got some caps base I'll give Aaron Rogers $15 million dollars if you're the Titans why wouldn't you pay him yeah he has a house in Nashville I mean let's say

listen we'll give you two years got a house in Nashville it's an easy division and then you have that number one pick. You could trade down, get a bunch of players around him. It's just interesting. I was told that Aaron Glenn, for the people that didn't hear my pre-super Bowl 15-minute rant, I was told by somebody I trust that Aaron Glenn, coming from a really strong culture in Detroit, wants to mimic that, right?

Duplicate that in New York, and he didn't want Aaron Rogers, the player or the person in the room. And they'll say all the right stuff. But in the end, I mean, Green Bay caught him off guard. The Jets kind of caught him off guard. Aaron has that disease of has to be the smartest guy in the room. I'm going to do my own homework on the internet. And, you know, I think in the end, Aaron, I mean, I could write chapters in a book on things I've heard from people that have been around him.

He's a really moody guy. You can get good Aaron or bad Aaron. But in the end, he's just not good enough now. he's probably the 15th best quarterback in the league. He's just not good enough for the BS you deal with. Like, he's not early to the locker room. He's not optimistic. Like, Brady to the end, I mean, was just like high energy, high optimism, high standards.

I'm not sure Aaron loves the game. I think, you know how you ever work with somebody or you have somebody in your family? And they're like, I work hard. And you're like, dude, hard work is 65 hours a week, not 42. I think Aaron says he loves the game. I don't see it. I don't see that just unbridled, like just relentless passion for it. I think Aaron thinks he loves the game, but he doesn't love it.

He doesn't love it the way the guys that I see it in pro sports love it. I think it'll be very telling that when they cut him, if he's only getting seven, eight, $10 million off, he doesn't need the money, right? He's worth hundreds of millions of dollars at this point in time. it was clear he did not want to get hit last year. Don't blame him. He's 40 years old. Right.

So is he going to go play for some of these teams? You know, Pete Carroll calls, the Titans call. Like, yeah, this might not go well again. Right? The one thing Aaron Rogers has a good feel for, you know, most of his career is what a good team looks like. So this could be really, like, you go sign up for one of these teams. Best case scenario might be like seven wins. And you, you know, struggled to stay hurt last year on a roster.

that's going to be better more than likely than one of these teams interested in you. So I wonder if he gets to the point where it's like, am I really going to do a one year for $8, $9, $10 million? Yeah, I don't think he will. Just this year, paying him $35 million. If someone was willing to pay him that, I think he would for sure play. Sure, sure. But I have a hard time.

If you're $10 million and it's like, his best options of the Titans, him just going, I'm just going to go hang out in Malibu and just kick it. Yeah, he's got a beautiful house. I watched that documentary enigma. It was interesting. You know, I watched the first episode. It was bored out of my mind. I gave it a second episode.

That was better. Third episode. Like, the more you watched it. I gave my 10 minutes and I turned it off. I'm like, I don't even care. It just wasn't for me. You're a better man than me. Yeah.

So I kind of felt like for the audience, I had to go watch it. But, you know, I just think he's just a different cat. And I think over the last six or seven years, he's got to be really high maintenance. But I don't know what the Jets are going to do at quarterback, but I ran into Chip Kelly Saturday night briefly. And this was before I knew the air on news. And my take is that's probably the best place for him, honestly. It's probably the best.

If I was him, I can be closer to Malibu. It's probably the best place for him. I saw a headline today that the Raiders might be interested in Sam Darnold. And I actually ran into Sam Darnold at the hotel gym the day I was leaving. And I talked to him again, the yellow. You know, one thing that really stands out to me, I had a bunch of players staying at the hotel I was staying at, ran into, like, Ladania and Tomlinson. And I know Lorenzo Neal really well, so I went up and talked to him about Loneal. And it's a lot of just good, easygoing guys.

Like, you can just have a normal conversation with Ladania and Tomlinson, like, in the hotel gym for five minutes. Where it's like, you know, this is one of the great running backs in the history of league. Like, I don't know if, you know, the equivalent in some of these other sports would just do that. But these guys, you know, Sam Darnold, who just had one of the great seasons in the league, he's just. just BSing with me about where he's going to play golf this summer in L.A. It's just an easy-going group of people. And my theory's always been is they're the most, they have the most in common with normal people because their job is one, they get cut all the time.

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