The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast - Daryl Morey on Harden/Simmons Trade Behind-the-Scenes, Sixers Title Window + Radical NBA Change Proposals

Episode Date: February 16, 2022

Colin compares the Rams' aggressive moves to millennial house buying, sticks up for Kyler Murray, shows how the transfer portal is damaging college football, and explains how Kevin Durant put himself in the NBA's Bermuda Triangle (3:00). Then 76ers GM Daryl Morey takes Colin behind the scenes of the blockbuster trade that sent James Harden to the Sixers and Ben Simmons to the Brooklyn Nets (13:00), discusses stories from inside the Sixers decision making (15:00), why the trade is good for NBA (23:00), dealing with the media in big cities (29:00), and what leads to busts in the NBA Draft (36:00). Then, Colin and Daryl discuss some radical ideas on how to change the NBA (43:00), and share some of their earliest sports memories (52:00).Make sure to Subscribe and follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates and check out FanDuel for the best wagering and daily fantasy action! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I was reading a story the other day. There was a recent survey from the site Real Estate Witch. 90% of millennials said there is such a housing shortage right now. 90% said they would buy a house site unseen. They just want to get into the housing market. And I saw that and I thought, well, yeah, that's what you do. when scarcity is created. That's a lot like what the Rams did with Matt Stafford.

There's a limited number of great quarterbacks. He had a losing record. He'd only made one Pro Bowl. And they said, well, there's about seven of these guys on the market that our scouts think are difference makers, even though he has a losing record, even though he's finished fourth place multiple times. We're going to roll the dice, give up multiple first round picks and our quarterback. In fact, we're going to pay Jared Gough to play for Detroit for a year. and Matt Stafford to be with us.

Listen, 82% of buyers, millennials, would be willing to purchase a fixer-upper, even if it needed major repairs without seeing it. And this is why you've got to take big swings. Listen, you can always call a plumber. You can always hire a contractor and fix things. It's the same thing with quarterbacks. You can solve your offensive line in a draft. You can find receivers.

There's 30 great ones a year in college. There's seven great quarterbacks on the market. You do what you got to do. You take big swings to get one. Other thoughts. Kyler Murray making a lot of noise for the Arizona Cardinals. He scrubbed the Arizona Cardinals from social media. They took some shots at him, leaked it to Adam Schaefter.

He went back on social media. It doesn't happen very often, but we saw something happen during the pandemic. A big chunk of employees retired. And employees now, for the only time in my life that I can recall, employees, even young talented employees, young employees have leverage sometimes over companies. ZipRecruiter, you've heard a zip recruiter, they have job openings, they post job openings. Since the pandemic started, the percentage of companies offering retirement plans to employees has jumped 30%, almost a third. Like, that had mostly gone away. Pensions had gone away.

A lot of benefits had evaporated. Oh, not anymore. Because now employees with remote work, with a lot of people getting into early retirement, the employees now have the power or at least equal footing with employers. And that's what Kyler Murray has. Kyler Murray looks around and goes, okay, Russell Wilson's in my division. Matt Stafford's in my division. Kyle Shanahan's in my division.

What was Arizona before I got here? The GM and the coach were going to get fired. So Kyler Murray is just saying, pay me early. Josh Allen got money early. Like Josh Allen, I'm getting better every year. I've taken a franchise that lost a lot and made them more viable. This doesn't happen a lot. It hasn't happened a lot in my life.

And I'm, you know, 58 years old. but I think Kyler Murray is doing what a lot of employees are now doing. Hey, I got the leverage. It doesn't happen much. I'm going to take advantage of it. And he's right. I mean, Baker Mayfield and Lamar Jackson did not get the bag early and both got hurt. Josh Allen got the bag early, but he's 6.6.250.

Kyler Murray looks in a mirror and goes, I'm 510, 210. I want the money. I want it now. I have leverage. And I'll say this. In my history with dealing with corporations, I've rarely had leverage other than, you know, I have a decent size audience. But when you do have leverage as an employee, you best take it because you may never have it again. Had an interesting conversation with somebody in an athletic department about the transfer portal and name image likeness.

and a Caleb Williams is going to make two and a half million dollars a year from beats by Dre. Dr. Dre is a huge USC booster. He's going to make another two to two and a half million dollars a year from his name, Image likeness deal with USC through other donors, sponsors, advertisers. And listen, we all know in college football it's a have and have not sport. what the athletic administrator was saying, and this is a university that has had a lot of bowl success. It's not a top five program. It's a top 20 program.

He said what scares a lot of these athletic directors, there's 130 Division I football programs. There's always been like seven great ones and another 15 to 20 that are viable. And then there's a bunch that, you know, kind of rotate year to year. another 30, your Purdue's, you know, your BYU's, good programs, if they get the right coach, can win games. The fear with athletic directors now is the have and have nots are going to exponentially grow the have nots. Instead of having 30 have knots, we'll have 60 to 80 have knots.

And they'll be at the top of the pyramid, six to eight programs like USC, Oklahoma, Ohio, State, Alabama, maybe another 10. Michigan, Oregon, that kind of program. And then everybody else is going to be fighting for table scraps. The stories you are now hearing inside athletic departments, you need 10 million additional dollars per year today to get elite quarterbacks, elite edge rushers, and elite star high school players. Or to keep yours in the program.

10 million a year. that is a lot of additional money when you consider athletic departments outside of football and men's and women's basketball. Everything else usually hemorrhages dollars. You ever meet anybody? And they complain that they can never meet the right person. And could be a man, could be a woman, perpetually single, or have had bumpy relationships. And then the more you listen to them talk and confine. in you, you think to yourself, maybe they're part of the problem?

You know, I was thinking about Kevin Durant. His career started with Westbrook and Harden, but Kevin's very passive-aggressive. He's not real confrontational. And because of that, even though Westbrook drove him nuts, he never went to the front office and demanded a move by them. Therefore, he broke him up. Then he goes to Golden State, San Francisco, right? It's great.

Gets into some fights with Draymond Green. But instead of confronting Draymond Green, he left a dynasty. And what is he left with? Wacky Kyrie Irving, bizarre end-of-game liability, Ben Simmons, and a roster that's not close to Milwaukee's chemistry and Miami's chemistry and certainly not Philadelphia's chemistry. I kind of feel with Kevin Durant, it's on Kevin Durant. I mean, the Westbrook situation in OKC, if you would have gone to management and said, me or Westbrook, you think they would have chosen Durant, right?

Like there was arguments already being made that he was the second best player in the league to LeBron in Golden State. If he'd have said, dude, let's spend a couple of days, Draymond, hashing this thing out. I'll pay for the therapist. He'd be right now on the best team arguably in the league. I like Kevin Durant, but this is why confrontation is good and passive aggressive is not. I mean, Kobe Bryant went to the Lakers and said, get me another star or I'll go to Chicago. They got him Paugasol. You know, Michael Jordan did this on multiple occasions.

Get me this and get rid of this guy. Kevin Durant's situation is the Bermuda Triangle of Weirdness, Anti-Vaxer, flat earth, Sage in the locker room, Kyrie Irving. Ben Simmons, afraid to shoot free throws, doesn't want the ball in key situations in the playoffs, even though he's in his prime. It's hard to feel sorry for people who don't confront their problems. If you end up in another bad relationship, look in the mirror. All right, Darrell Mori, Sixer GM, former Rocket GM, a Bon Vivant, a world traveler, a global thinker. I'm vivant.

You have to explain that one. Fancy guy. So you're in Philadelphia. Let's start with this. Like Houston's a nice sports town, but there's something about the cold winters, the intensity, Northeast America.

And I think this is a great quality. Philadelphia, they're hard on their GMs. They're hard on their players. They demand excellence. When you're driving to work and the Sixers are a topic on WIP radio, do you find it?

aggravating or wildly entertaining? I love it. I think my last places I've worked, you could only hear a football talk. So like we actually in Houston one year, we were, I think, in the Western Conference finals, and the only talk was the NFL draft. So it gives you a sense of how exciting it is here.

The cities of cities of buzz, you know, Joelle and Bede's the favorite for MVP. We got a past MVP. We got a stack team. We got a championship coach. Let's go. Yeah, I said when the trade came down, I said it because it broke during my show. And I said, I think Philadelphia won the trade.

Two reasons. One. And I don't think winning the trade, you know, that's a media term. But I said, generally in my life, get the best player. I thought you did. And I said, secondly, this is a really joyful team. The chemistry is good. I'm just adding a really great piece.

I said, listen, they gave up a lot, but that's a lot of moving parts. And this is the middle of a season. So, Darrell, my takeaway was, I do think it's easier to ask one great player to fit into a great locker room than a bunch of parts. Is that how you saw it? Yeah, I obviously have a real good sense of how good James Hardin is. And look, we have Joel Embed that, you know, I think he's going to finish his career being talked of as one of the all-time great. Big man, I think James Hardin's already being talked about as one of the all-time great perimeter players, you know, put them, put them together in terms of what you give up. I don't think you need to focus on that as much when you have an MVP level player.

I have a short trade deadline story about what we gave up. I'd like to hear it. Yeah, yeah. So it was the line of our trade deadline. So obviously we were trying to keep, you know, Tyrese Maxie and. Yeah. and thibble out of the deal. You know, and obviously my job is to keep track of the future.

And we ended up, you know, they ended up insisting on, you know, two first round picks if we didn't include them. And, you know, they were pretty steadfast. And at the end of the day, you have to either decide to make a deal or pass. And, you know, we've passed many times. So anyway, to get to the point of the story, we're debating whether we give up two first round picks. And I'll rewind a couple of days. And I was talking to a Western Conference team who we liked a player on their team.

We offered one first for that player. They said no. And I got a little bothered with the GM. I'm like, this guy's never going to give this player up. But I'm just going to offer two first to see, to see what happens. You know, and very quickly he's like, no, to two first. This is a player, by the way, that every 2K player, Colin Cowherd, Nick Wright, every human on earth would have said,

oh my God, you have to give that player up for two first. So I just did it just to like see. And he said no immediately. So fast forward to the final day. We're debating two first. And one of our great front office people were like, like three days ago, we couldn't even get this player for two first.

Why are we debating this? Why are we even talking about this? We can get James Hardin. He's a Hall of Fame player. And we're worried about a first in the future that's protected. You know, that's the thing. am very careful. I've never given up

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counsel. You know, I was, I said on the air, I said, listen, Seth Curry, maybe you guys prize draft picks more. You know, I live in Los Angeles where the Rams just give away first round picks and their takeaway as hell, we're drafting bottom of the first round anyway. And I looked at the deal and I thought, what I wouldn't want to give up, what I would have fought for, because I mean, you never want to give up two picks, right? The Curry is interesting, because I do think in today's modern game, he's a nice rotational. piece. Is that something you lost a night's sleep on the Curry component? Yeah, you have to give up something to get something. Seth Curry was amazing for us. I mean, yes. One of the best shooters of

all time. He's actually getting better, even though he's 32 or whatever he is. He came to his career later and he's improving. So that was a very tough piece. So was Drummond who was giving us probably the best minutes behind Joelle Bede ever. But, you know, we thought, to take advantage of Joel and his prime over the next several years. You know, to win it, we had to have a player like James Harden. So we don't mind, like, let's say people even are all right. Let's say we quote unquote overpaid. First off, I don't know what that means.

We went from 2% title odds to I think we're sitting at 13% right now. So to me, it's like very straightforward. Our job is to give ourselves a chance to win the championship. This does it. and you're going to have to give up something to get a player of James Hardin's caliber. Are you worried a little bit you gave up Ben Simmons. I mean, he wasn't playing this year.

So you're not really giving up his length. You know, Drummond's a big. You know, Ben is a lot of length when he did play. Hardin's not a great defender. You still have, to me, I guess you have Ambide, Thibel. I guess probably that's not. I don't know why I always think about this, but many of the great teams, it's tips, it's a possession.

You're battling for the ball. That stuff I think about all the time. What is something in this draft or in this trade that most of us in the media wouldn't think about? Like, late is something bizarre I think about all the time in this league. Well, you should. I mean, obviously you have to have a top defense. We had, I think, the second best defense last year.

We had fallen to nine this year. I think what you're describing is why we love them. Simmons. Like, he is a very good player. Like, that is why, you know, we, we would have preferred this didn't happen. It obviously happened. Um, but having his ability to rebound set the pace, uh, deflections. I mean, he's, he's an unbelievable defender. So lots of reasons why, look, it was a win-win trade. You know, I take a step back and you know this, Colin because you're a student of multiple sports. Uh, the trade is sort of a North American creation. I That's not totally true, but it's mostly true.

It's mostly big in North America. It's not really something big in the other sports that are big in the world. And some people question, like, why do you have trades? It's weird or whatever. You couldn't design a more, you know, Adam Silver should be so happy. You couldn't design a better reason for a trade than what just happened. Two players who wanted to be in a new situation, who are extremely good players, who will play very well in the other place and not this place.

if this isn't the perfectly designed trade where both us and Brooklyn can get better, and the rest of the East, I think, is nervous right now. Both of us, both of us are a lot better. And the rest of the East, you know, did moves and moves that improved them, but not like the sort of significant moves that Brooklyn and we did. You know, Daryl, it's interesting. I had said this on the air, Joy Taylor and I, you're both NBA fans. And I said it's a bad year.

I said this week ago, it's a bad year for stories. I said the Simmons story is not, it's not any fun. Kyrie's not any fun. James isn't happy. It's not fun. Westbrook's not working in L.A. I said, this has always been a story leak, right? Well, today I said on the air, I said, I can't wait to watch Hardin play with Embed. And I'm fascinated Ben Simmons surrounded by all these shooters. It's kind of a perfect place for him. And so, you know, my takeaway was, yeah, this is, they just engineered two stories. Hardin's an interesting player because in international soccer, if you look at Maradonna, Rinaldo, Messi, big personalities, everything from tax evasion to,

we know who their girlfriends are. Europe's ahead of us on this. We understand the stars are dramatic. And they're like international royalty. In America, when a player's quirky, we're like bad teammate. So when I look at Hardin,

I'm like, well, when he's engaged, 90% of his career, he's a Hall of Famer. He is not a guy. He's a little bit of an art. he can be moody.

But I think to myself, well, that's international soccer. All the great players are sometimes, is our media naive to realize these are the world's greatest artists, athletes are now. It's where all global wealth goes to buy teams and that we have to bake in. They have needs. They have short careers. They are sensitive because they're hyper-criticized and Hardens just what global global sports are.

Yeah, I think, look, if you take a step back, we're an entertainment business, and there's a lot of similarities to where you live, if you're still living in L.A., I assume you are in Hollywood, where you have your Robert Donner Jr.'s, you have your, you have your, you know, the Christian Bale. Christian Bales, Johnny Depp, you have these, like, hyper-talented guys. They're just different. A lot of what makes them great is because they are different. And I think that's, I think that's absolutely true.

And I think I love the notion of a team. I think we've all played teams generally. And I think the teams that you or I are on, Colin, I'm not trying to dis your sports career, whatever it might have been. But I'm guessing, I'm guessing you probably didn't play. Like Elton Brand played with, you know, Ron Artecest and Lamar Odom when he was a kid. Like the teams I'm on, everyone's, there's some better players, some worse players. but there's no, there's no, like, you know, future Mozart playing on my teams when I'm growing up.

And, you know, these guys like James Hardin and the players I can't mention because they're on other teams, but only you can mention, they are artists, you know, they're, they're not Matisse. They're not Matisse Thibles, but they're, that was a terrible joke. Yeah. But they're, they are artists. They're different. And, you know, I think you probably see more of it in Hollywood than anybody. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Just down the street from some of them. I don't know. Sometimes people in your job can be a little like that, Colin.

I don't know. There might be some artists out there, you know, or sports talk show people. I don't know. We've been known to be a little high maintenance. I'm not going to, I'm not going to run from that. I mean, do you only like one color, M&M, Colin? That's my curiosity at this point. No, I've got my personal quirks. I do. You can use any toilet, like, you know. Not really. of your own personal. I've got these weird little

I'm going to ask Nick. You can't lie to me. Nick will tell me. No, he's still smoking black and tars and he's rich. I'm like, dude, come on. Move on to something more elegant. The, you know, it's living in the East, so I'm a West Coast guy.

I lived in the East for 10 years. And I liked it. I said this. I needed to be around Boston and New York. It really taught me about people. I really did. I mean, societally it was I loved Connecticut's prep schools their intensity they're I just I thought it was cool because I go Washington state Connecticut prep schools are legendary well I mean you know about these don't you I've heard about it but not for sports like you're talking but I'm saying I there is

something about the intensity when I used to listen to WFA and in New York the West Coast didn't have that they were punitive and they were hard and I I do things. think every sports executive should at least once have to work in the northeast. 100%. Well, so I've been in Cleveland growing up, Boston. I was there for four years and now Philadelphia. And I know growing up in Cleveland, 3WE was the radio station. I took pride. I'm not kidding. I took pride. They'd be like, we broadcast in 30 states, you know, 3WE. And I'm like, you know, I'm so happy. Our talk shows are I was glued to the radio. radio. Everything was the Browns, obviously, where I grew up.

I'm new to Philadelphia, but the fans in the Northeast absolutely are different. They, like, I think just look, when it's snowing out and you're indoors all day, you want your team to be playing well? That's right. Or you get angry. You're not happy. That's right. And especially if the team does dumb things, like, you're really angry. Yeah. No, I remember listening to WFANN.

The Yankees had made some offseason trades. Now, I don't think well-run teams are influenced by this, but the Mets at the time weren't well-run, and they made a move. It was the callers were killing the Mets, make a move at the break, make a move, and they went and got Jason Bayan outfielder who just did not work at all. You could tell he was a clunky outfielder. They had a huge, spacious outfield that wouldn't work.

But the point being is I did think sometimes the intensity of the media influenced front offices, sometimes at the trade deadline, make a move. And because I think owners often listen to that. And then they put pressure on general managers. When you look at this team right now, M.Beed has a little bit of an injury history. Do you feel, and Hardin is now not 24 years old, do you feel, listen, this is a two or three year window. How do you view the whole thing? I view it as what, look, the most important years this year. Like, we're in this phase where I've never seen the NBA so wide open.

I don't know what you think, Colin. It's like basically Phoenix, Golden State, Brooklyn, us, Milwaukee. If you look in Vegas right now, pretty much all of us have about the same odds and they're all about one and six. So it's wide open. And you don't see a golden state, which we kept banging against that wall, you know, our Houston teams. And prior to that, there was a Miami that everyone had to bang their head against. There's not a team like that that's sitting at 40, 50% title odds, which can happen in as well, it's really rare. So it's wide open.

This year's the most important. But we've got a good run. Hall of Fame players like James, they age well. I mean, I think if you look at both the modern techniques that are out there, Hall of Fame level ball handlers and basketball IQ players. There's a few in the league I can't mention, but you can say, are playing at a very high level late into their 30s. And so we feel very good.

Look, Joel is a big. Bigs generally don't last quite as long, especially as you get over seven feet. These years are critical, like the next few years. And we have, I think, arguably for sure, the best perimeter, interior combination in the league. if I'd never seen Joel NBee play and you were sending me out to scout him. And you said, hey, I want you to go look at this guy.

You're going to go scout this series. And I said, yeah, I hear this Joe L. Embed is great. I'd never seen him play. How would you describe him to somebody? Well, it depends on your age. You're old enough. So I'd say, Hakeem Elijah, if he was 7'1. I mean, as you, I don't know if you've been next to Hakeem, but he's like 610.

I mean, he's tall, but he's not like in, like, when I was a kid watching on TV, I was like, for sure he's seven feet until you get with him. So imagine a seven foot one, Hakeem, Elijah won would be the, they're different in some ways, but both were two-way players. Both were extraordinarily impactful defensively. Both were extraordinarily skilled offensively with amazing footwork. You know, I remember, like one of the biggest wow moments when I first came to Philadelphia, you'll never guess, was the Wizards playoffs.

last year. Joel came down and sort of tweaked his, tweaked his leg. I remember. Yeah, he actually didn't play game four because he tweaked in the game three, he didn't play game four. In the back hallway,

and, you know, Josh Harris and the group had already built up a wonderful medical staff around him, put him through this regiment that they built that they have for when anything happened. Let's just, let's put, I call it the Jiffy Loob 57, point test. They like run Joel through all these paces.

He was able to do moves with both legs off each leg balance that I think Simone Biles would have been moderately impressed with with his mobility and balance and strength off each leg at his size. I've never seen anything like it and people say the same about

Elijah won. And they both played soccer growing up. I think the parallels are there except Joel's, you know, three inches taller and much bigger actually. I'm going to throw something at you that's kind of weird. So there was always this saying that there were more bigs that busted than guards. And some of that was personality driven that if you were seven feet tall in ninth grade, it's difficult socially.

And that a lot of the bigs in my lifetime, wilt was kind of flaky. Kareem was sort of stoic. A lot of centers busted. And if you look at four centers, four or five centers who didn't, David Robinson, Akeem, Shaq, Ambide, Janus. They all share something, a very joyful personality, a transferable sort of personality in a locker room,

is that they handled their size at a young age. Maybe they weren't as tall at 11. and that first, my initial theory, which is Biggs I had heard for years, could be very different people. But a lot of the great ones, and you've got one, they handled that kind of social challenge differently. And they're very happy people. And it plays in a room. Yeah, absolutely. Their EQ is generally higher.

Well, I've actually studied by Biggs bust at a higher rate. And it's two factors. It's related to what you say. So there's two big factors. One is they're overpicked. So let's say you're a GM, it's not as true anymore because people know the games are going towards more skilled and size. But if you look through the history of NBA drafts, if you start to get into the late

first second round, a lot of GMs in the past were like, well, I probably won't get fired if I picked the seventh footer. And if it hits, it hits. It's amazing. but they were just over selected. They really were. It's like provable in the data. And then on top of that, this is less database.

This is more psychology. A lot of bigs play the game just because they were tall early. And they were encouraged by somebody, parents, friends, coach at their local school. Hey, you should play basketball. You're tall, right? But they don't develop the habits and love the game as much. And that's what usually sustains you all the way to be a great player.

the NBA. A lot of them will even get to the NBA, not love it, but that the work ethic after you get paid millions of dollars is still very high and needed. And so both of those, I think, contribute to a bus trade. And you're right. I hadn't noticed that the bigs you mentioned are very gregarious, very, you know, sort of smart. And they used, they had to use their social skills to sort of survive some tough early times in their life. Right. See, Darrell, a lot of my theories aren't bullshit. They work. I haven't heard of my analytics.

You haven't brought up my analytics again yet. Where'd that theory go? I don't remember what I meant, but I loved it. It was one of my favorites. Yeah, well, I mean, I, you know, we're seeing it in the NFL, too, the analytics. I've always been a fan of them because I think it's smarter sports. But I, but I've said before, I don't want to reduce my athletes to code.

Like, there are moments with Doc Rivers. It's like, I want Doc to look the athlete in the eye and be like, dude, I just want you to take the shot. He does that. That's actually what we're excited about. I think when obviously I came after Doc and we're here and they thought that the three of us together could make great things. And so far, I've been learning so much from Doc. He's won a title. I think our strengths are very complimentary. He's, he's unbelievable with players, motivation, doing what you just said, which is like, You know, I have a feeling this guy's going to deliver for us tonight.

And he does a really great job with that. I always felt he was Joe Torrey as a baseball manager. He reminds me of the stepdad you don't want to disappoint. Interesting. I also think like this whole 3-1 thing is really nuts because, like, he's had a bunch of big leads. Do you know how to create the big lead? Doc Rivers and the team? Like, what does it matter?

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No one would talk about it. So, like, to me, actually building a 3-1 lead is a huge achievement. Obviously, if you coach long enough, you're going to have some good times, you can have some bad times. He's had both. So it's just like everyone's trying to find a story for why they're up or down on something, which is fine. That's part of the job.

You know, it's interesting because generationally, I mean, you know, basketball, especially professional basketball, hip hop, art, music, culturally, it's ahead of other leagues. So that could create a generational issue if the coach is too old. And in football, we don't really talk about Belichickie 70. It's not really a thing, right? Sabin's 70. But in basketball, it is interesting. A is age. See, Doc feels young to me.

me because in LA. He is. He just 1060. And he feels young to me. So like a five handicap or so. I don't know. I haven't played with them because I'm not good enough. But, but yeah, no, he's, he's a, he's a very youthful.

And I think he connects with the players very well. Daryl, NBA has been a players league since Spencer Haywood. It's been a players league forever. I do think there's a danger in labor running anything is that they're more emotional. They're more self-concerned than. the macro level. And I did. Yeah, because owners aren't so concerned at all.

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Can't wait. So I said today. He's better than Nick Wright's ideas. I'm assuming. What are his black and tars after every W? So he'll have some wacky idea. Okay. So I'm ready for yours.

I'm more of a business guy than Nick. I try to tell him that. So I would cut the league down to about 74 games because the revenue produced by television, you're not as beholden to seats and food sold in parking, is that I would think about reducing it to 74 to 70 games. no back-to-backs, little longer All-Star break, add perhaps another round of playoffs.

I would cut first round to best of five, not seven. Less is more. I think the money being generated by television puts less of a burden on butts in seats, thoughts. So you're 100% right, but you've got to just, you're too timid. You got to go farther.

To me, like, I like 58. I like every team plays every team two times. So I got 50s. game schedule. You're 100% right. You'll make up any loss like, yeah, revenue from tickets and whatever over time in better ratings. Like people tune in because it's a big game and they tune in and how likely you can win the title. And too many times in the NBA, there's a Monday night two teams who aren't very good playing. And it's just, it's not good for the sport. And we're moving that way. I would add a midseason tournament, which Adam Silver's done a really nice job. He's

pushing that. We just won that in our minor leagues. The playoffs, I 100% agree. Shorter is better. I would have it one and done. One and done. Every game is going to be like a Super Bowl or something. Until the conference finals? The whole way. And I know I'm like, I'm like the guy everyone else says is crazy, but there's a reason everyone tunes into every game at huge ratings in the NFL. It is literally one and done. And the NCAA tournament in 63 games gets more TV money than we do in our entire regular season. So like the more drama, the more TV ratings, the more money. Like so in terms of your business, I would do, I know these are radical things. Everyone in the league thinks I'm crazy.

But I would do one and done. I would have the regular season. If you're the top two, you get a buy. If you're the next few, you get seated well. The rest have to do a one and done play in. And yeah, I like radical in creating huge appointment. We just saw the Super Bowl. Any sports should want more games that are close to the Super Bowl.

Nothing's going to beat the Super Bowl for a little while. Although I think the NBA can pass the NFL in my lifetime for sure for their biggest game being a big deal. I would disagree, but nonetheless, here's my second idea. Oh, great. I'm good. I would institute the hand check again. Here's why. Initially, the hand check was eliminated and sort of that forearm you could use in the back of a center because it felt like almost a violent move. But I would argue the lack of a hand check and the evolution of the quickness, the twitchiness and the town of players, you cannot stay in front of point guards. They go to the basket. and have trees fall on them. And increasingly, little guys are getting hurt more,

and they're the quarterbacks of your sport. I don't care who gets hurt. When the point, when Chris Paul's out, the sons are not as much fun to watch. And the Warriors aren't as much fun to watch when they don't have Steph Curry. You can lose a forward, even occasionally a big. I want to see movement.

Institute a hand check to be able to at least simulate some level of keeping Littles out of the paint, it will actually preserve smaller players. Yeah, so where I'd agree with you primarily is that what we have to, what we have to stop in the league's moving in a good direction, is that if you are somewhere within like five feet in near the basket, it's basically still mixed martial arts under the hoop.

Like, if you've sat under the hoop, which I bet you have, Yes. You can't imagine the level of strength, athleticism, and the amount of physical, just huge bodies hitting huge bodies that you see. And that's what's allowed five feet and in. And then you go in the perimeter

and you can barely breathe on a point guard who's five, 10, and fast going past you. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever to the rules. It creates like really weird things when you're in the brackish area from five feet to 10 feet. it's like so all of a sudden like you like you have to go from like I can't touch them to now it can be physical but they're driving it's it's it's very complicated and it's easier said than done to try and clean it up but I would say you either need to like not allow the physical play also in the interior or you have to get back to allowing when there's contact there's there has to be extreme levels of contact that moves people off their line off their base off their inertial position.

before you're calling a foul, even on the perimeter. On the interior, you can, like, go up and hammer someone, and especially if it's like a loose ball, and there's almost never a call, like, unless the guy's, like, tackling them or physically throwing them down, or it's a very obvious, they jump in the air, and they get pushed to the ref can see them getting knocked off the line. Otherwise, it's basically anything goes on the interior,

and it's basically too much, like, barely touching them in the perimeter. Finally, this isn't a theory. It's just I like that I can take you to these places or you can take my audience to places. There was for a time the international players were seen as more finesse but more highly skilled because of the academies they went into early, especially bigs. They were front facing the basket, better shooters, jerk Noviceky. And the sense was the American player was a little more physical, not as skilled, a little tougher. in your years in the NBA, I'm seeing a little nastier international players

and more skilled American players, at least earlier. That's my interpretation. You tell me, am I on to something or not? Yeah, I think the league's got more skill-based. Like, there's very, very few, like, one-dimensional rebounders. There were a bunch when I was like Reggie Evans, they're the, you know, the Theo Rattlet. They're just like one-dimensional.

dimensional, really guys, and you just can't have it. To have an offense that can put big points on the board, you need skill at all five positions. So skill has become more of a premium. People are better at our lower levels in the United States to do more with bigs and that they put the ball in their hand more because they know that's how they're going to become an NBA player. So you'll very rarely find a top prospect or top,

hundred, 200 prospect, who's not, who doesn't have the ball in their hands, no matter what their size at a very young age now. So that's adding to our skilled bigs. We obviously have a huge number of people playing in the NBA. So we have a huge talent base. Like, it's like in Kenya, the reason they have amazing runners, the entire country runs. In the U.S., everyone plays basketball. So, and we're a country of 350 to 400 million.

So our talent is going to be hyper-gorithm. is going to get more and more skilled, especially at a bigger and bigger sizes. And it's closed the gap from international. So international players always were better ball handlers, better shooters, better passers because of how they train. Like Arturis, Carnusovas, because of the Chicago Bulls gym, we work together. I believe he told me, I'm trying to, that he wasn't really allowed to play five on five until he was like 12.

Like they just drilled ball handling, shooting. It sounds horribly boring as somebody who grew up in the U.S. if I was allowed to play till I was 12. And I'm sure there's some exaggeration I'm getting the story long, but more or less that's the case that these academies to feed into the overall Soviet system that Lithuania was a part of at the time. So anyway, long story short, to get back to your original question, I believe our players are getting more skilled in the U.S.

The training methods are better. The academy levels are better. We have sort of like academies happening at the high school level now and things like that. And it's closed the gap. to the skill and the international level. And what that means is that the less athletic players from Europe, they don't have a big skill advantage anymore. So if you don't have a skill advantage of someone who didn't,

I don't know if you played basketball. Yes. You probably were more skilled than me. I was in school. I was tall and I was big. And so when you're tall and big and less skilled, if you're not playing physically, you're not bringing anything.

You may as well not play. So I had to play very physical just to be good enough to be on the floor at my pathetic high school level. So anyway, I'm agreeing with you again. I need to disagree with. If I want a future radio program with you, I need to like make up some controversy. Yeah, we have to manufacture. We have to ask Brittany like, you know, what what made up argument should we have today or something like that? But you know, one of the reasons I love bringing you on is I've always been fascinated with the growth of. sports and the evolution of it, even as a kid.

I grew up with Jim Zorn. He was a quarterback for the Seahawks. He was a left-hander. There were no left-hander. Who ran around. I'm old enough to know Jim Zorn. Yeah. So I don't know.

That was kind of my indoctrination of sports, professional sports, was a lot of that. Now, I did grow up. I saw Wilt Chamberlain back in 72 or 73. He was old slow headband Laker wilt. I don't remember him. But I do remember, you know, it's, it's, funny about my earliest sports memories, Spencer Haywood is one of them, who was this great player who fought back and said, no, no, nobody's coming to watch you guys. They're coming to

watch me. Do you remember Spencer Haywood? I don't know, Spencer Haywood. I was just glad you didn't reference George Makin earlier in the program. I was it, I do know of Will Chamberlain. I didn't get to see. How old are you? I'm 49. So my, oh, Jesus. So my, my big, my, big first sports memories. One was my father taking me to see Hank Aaron when I was like six in Milwaukee because I was born in Wisconsin. And that's an early memory. And my other world is I loved World Be Free on the, oh yes. And 82. And you know, as crazy as I see World Be Free every night. He's from Philadelphia. And he's like, you know, it's great. Like sometimes I want to suit him up because he's in great shape. And I know he can shoot and shooting like shooting is a premium.

World Free would be much better now than he was back then. I've said that about Dave Kingman, who played for the Mets and Giants. Today, it'd be Cody Bellinger, a tall guy who strikes out and hit home runs. Yeah, Rob Deere was the next Dave Kingman, basically. And now that's in vogue. Either hit a home run or you're striking out so you're not hitting a double play ball. I mean, yeah, that's another thing where baseball is going. I want more bunts and runs.

I want more. I want more fun stuff in the field, Colin. Analytics is ruining baseball. It's ruining it. Well, I will say this. The one thing about analytics and basketball, I like, I love Chris Paul's game. I love the mid-range jumper. And I always had, I think I told you this before, is that the playoffs become situational.

Like in baseball, analytics are great for volume. But in the playoffs, you'll ask Clayton Kershaw to come out of the bullpen. In the NBA playoffs, hell, Sometimes, Darrell, I just need a stop and I need a basket. Kauai Leonard's great at both of those. So that's my rub on analytics. I do think they work all the time. But I do think there are things in the playoffs situationally.

For instance, referees tend to swallow the whistle in the NBA conference finals to finals. You're not Carl Malone. You're not going to get the foul, Carl Malone. Sometimes James Harden. So like I always think the mid-level play. player the Chris Paul has increasing value as the season progresses. Is that reasonable? Well, I think not only as you go into the playoffs, but also late in the game, some of the dynamics. So one thing I'd like to clear up as I have to defend the word analytics is people

view it as like going on fourth down or shooting threes or they boil it down to these talking points. And yes, if you were to just say every moment in a game is the same, so a three is usually better than the two or every moment a game is the same and fourth and three on the 40 is generally better to go fourth than not whatever whatever it might be that ignores that analytics is really just using data to inform your decisions so the decisions haven't changed so laid in a basketball game um let's say you're you're down one for example and you have the last shot well a three does you no good there a three is no better than a two like you're just trying to act it's very important to go last.

So you don't want to leave time on the clock. You want that shot to be as high percentage as possible, whether it's a two or a three. But that's analytics too, is analyzing those probability shifts. So people sort of perceive that like analytics somehow doesn't know about game context or the fact that, you know,

going on fourth down is dynamic based on how tough the defense you're going against us or how good your offense is at generating short yardage versus, you know, expected value of yarders. So that's all part of it, right? And so it becomes like everything and nothing, but really all it means is like I'm going to use data to help me make the decision versus just make the decision based on my own personal experience, which is basically I'm only using the data of my lifetime and what I've watched, which is very good data. But it's not all of it. And so you should use that data and other data.

That's really all we're saying. I think we made America smarter over the last 35 minutes. I hope so. I love coming on your show because I get the best question. Yeah, Nick Wright. Nick Rydell, he'll break down these basketball situations. And I'm like, Nick, you know, that's the thing. He's just getting preachy in his old age.

Isn't he? He's going for those Soundbite YouTube clips. He's selling out, Colin, selling out, like closer look style. You and I are still have that garage band quality. We haven't sold out yet. Exactly. Click again. None of us have sold out. Great scene, you know.

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Hey, what's good, y'all? You're listening to Learn the Hard Way with your favorite therapist and host, Kear Games. This space is about black men's experiences, having honest conversations that it's really not safe to have anywhere, but you're having them with a licensed professional who knows what he's doing. How many men carry a suit or armor?

It signals to the world that you're not to be played with. And just because you have the capability that does not mean that you need to. Listen and learn the hard way on the AHA radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, this is Robert from the Stuff to Blow Your Mind podcast. Joe and I are both lifelong Star Wars fan, so we're celebrating May the 4th with a brand new week of fun, thought-provoking Star Wars-related episodes. Join us as we tackle science and culture topics from a galaxy far, far away, such as the biology of tauntons and wampas on the ice planet hot. or the practicality and corporate business sense of the Sith rule of two. Listen to Stuff to Bole Your Mind on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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