The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast - Dave Wannstedt on Flores Lawsuit, Harbaugh NFL Interest + "Fake Q's, Real Answers on Tanking Owners, UFO's

Episode Date: February 4, 2022

Colin does Fake Questions, Real Answers (3:00) on why Jim Harbaugh didn't get the Vikings job, why an NFL owner would ask a coach to lose games, how college football reminds him of the HBO show "True Detective", and his most controversial take ever. Then, former Dolphins & Bears HC Dave Wannstedt joins Colin to discuss the Brian Flores' lawsuit (18:00), how his refusal to tank cost him his job in Miami (22:00), concerns about new Bears HC Matt Eberflus (28:00), which AFC team should roll the dice on Jimmy G (32:00), why Cowboys HC Mike McCarthy struggles with clock management (35:00), why Dave wanted Jim Harbaugh to coach the Chicago Bears, and why he thought Harbaugh would join the Minnesota Vikings (40:00).Make sure to Subscribe and follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates and check out FanDuel for the best wagering and daily fantasy action! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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His thoughts on the dolphins in Brian Flores, he used to coach him. His thoughts on Mike McCarthy's clock management issues. I think you'll find it fascinating. Plus the transfer portal and Jim Harbaugh. He's got the inside scoop. He and Harbaugh have been close for years. But first, fake questions, real answers. There's stuff I want to talk about and don't want to wait for you to ask me the question.

Dear Colin, why didn't things work out between Harbaugh and the Vikings? He appeared to have the job. Well, I think one of the things that is key here. Older generations in coaching were taught, head down, work hard, stay in the office, 13 hours a day minimum, stay in your cubicle until you earn that corner office, nose to the grindstone. The younger generation of coaches, you hear things like create a comfortable open workspace. And a key word is collaboration. Right now, people view collaborators. Jim Harbaugh, older generation, not really a collaborator. Brian Flores fired three coordinators in three years, not known as a great collaborator. Again, Brian Flores is very much old school.

What's attractive about Sean McVeigh and Matt LaFleur and Zach Taylor, they're seen as collaborators. They work well with the GM and the owner and the executive offices and the players and the veterans and the young guys. Right now, Sean McVe, his coaching tree already has five current coaches in it because like McVe, they're all collaborative. Dear Colin, you'd think billionaires would be smart. Can you explain why an NFL owner and possibly two could consider paying a head coach to lose games? Well, I think they're smart guys. I think it's hard to be a billionaire if you're dim. But we all know that wealth gives you certain advantages.

You can travel on a private jet. You can have people do things for you. You could have people walk your dog, wash your car, shop for food, go to the DMV. There's a lot of advantages, your grandchildren, your children, educational opportunities. We know there's a lot of positives with wealth. The downside, you lose touch with reality. And because you can buy your way in and out of things like discomfort, you start thinking money is the answer for everybody's happiness.

The idea that you would offer a coach money to lose games, especially an African-American coach, in this case, Hugh Jackson or Brian Flores, where statistically, it's hard enough to get a job. Forget being fired for losing games and getting a second job. I think money sometimes at a billionaire's level distorts reality, like Jeff Bezos, who has thousands and tens of thousands of warehouse workers flaunting his wealth on a yacht. doesn't mean he's dumb. He's lost touch with common sense and the lives of everyday people. Stephen Ross's value system is clearly not the same as Brian Flores. Brian Flores has been in this league for two decades.

He's been a grinder. He values integrity and trust and a locker room of men who have to believe in him. If the word got out that he was tanking games, he would never be viewed by players the same. Stephen Ross and Brian Flores clearly had different values and beliefs. Dear Colin, what's the college football story that everyone should be talking more about? You know what I think is fascinating about the transfer portal? If you ask people about their favorite shows ever, Sopranos, Narcos, Ozark, I loved Mine Hunter, one of the reasons that succeeded with me, and I couldn't wait to watch not only the first year,

but the second year, and the third year and the fourth year, is because those stories year to year were building, like a dynasty in sports. Could the Bulls Michael Jordan get past ever the Pistons and Isaiah Thomas and Bill Lambere? Could Magic beat Bird or Bird beat Magic? Would Manning finally beat Brady because Brady's beating Manning? What makes sports great is not just the individual championship. It is the dynasty and the story arc of great teams and players battling each other year after year after year. It's the same with television.

True Detective was a show where it was a one-off. You have a story, and then the second year, everybody changes. The cast, the story, it didn't work. It was a transitional show. That's what's happened to college basketball. The minute you meet a young star, a John Morant, or a Zion Williamson, by the next year, he's a pro. I get one month of them in March, and then I have to start over again. It's true detective.

What makes the NBA at its best great was that ying and yang back and forth, that seesaw relationship between magic on the West Coast, bird on the East Coast, the great Michael Jordan, the bad boys in Detroit. How long would Steph, Clay, and Draymond, and KD last? How long would the Heedles? The Healds lost to Dallas year one. Then LeBron wins his title year two. Then they repeat in year three. Then they're a big disappointment in year four. And the ratings keep going up.

One-offs are not good for business in sports. That's what college basketball is and why the sport has died. I worry about college football similarly becoming too transactional. players constantly changing year to year quarterbacks constantly changing it's the old Seinfeld line am i rooting for laundry i think sports if you look at the most popular teams ever jordan's bulls kareem and magic the showtime lakers those recent warriors i am for players having the right to transfer. But do you really think it's good to transfer in a season?

Do you really think it's okay for a quarterback to transfer three or four times? I mean, if I told you McVeigh and Stafford were on the Ravens in two weeks, is that good for the league? What about the Rams? Transactional does empower the athlete. But these are all businesses, including college football and college basketball. and what has killed college basketball, it has become true detective, a one-off. And frankly, the reason you love Narcos and love the Sopranos and love Ozark is because the repetitive nature and the story arc and the drama keep building and building and building.

Colin, what is your most controversial take ever? Oh, I'll tell you what it is. I do not believe in UFOs. I know, I know. You've got to be very arrogant to believe we're the only creatures in the universe. All right. I've been called arrogant before. So be it.

I saw a story yesterday, Area 51 in Vegas, where they spotted an aircraft that had never been spotted before. Well, what do you know? Much like the stealth, our government's been working on a project for probably close to a decade and we finally get a picture of it. Let me ask you, where did they do the test flights? Is it possible over the Atlantic, over the Pacific, where we have Pentagon video of spacecraft without wings, not your usual jet propulsion? Folks, they got to fly these puppies somewhere. Governments, not just ours, head to the oceans. You ever notice how? You ever notice how often we're getting these pieces of incredible video over the oceans?

You ever think it's our aircraft being tested? This is what happened to the stealth. I used to work at a Las Vegas TV station. The reporter who broke the story was Dan Burns. For years in years, there were reports of UFOs over the desert, triangle-shaped. No, it was Area 51. Our government was working on the stealth. Our government's got to test our stuff.

Where are they testing it? Not in broad daylight over LA. They're testing it at night over the Pacific. I don't even think this is a controversial take. This is like saying Joe Burrell's a good quarterback. There's no such thing as UFOs. Have you ever thought about this? Neil deGrasse Tyson-Oa says this.

With all the amateur astronomers in the world on their telescopes, Why is the video always Earl in West Virginia on his cell phone seven Milwaukee lights in? It's always fuzzy. It's always shaky. It's always a guy in a date in his car, a few beers in yelling, the hell is that? Really, none of the amateur astronomers ever have video? There's literally video of everything in the world. In fact, I'll give you an example.

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when I heard Brian Flores allegations, my takeaway was, and by the way, Hugh Jackson made the same allegations with his owner, Jimmy Haslam. And, you know, Dave, my takeaway was we always talk about there's eight or nine really great quarterbacks in the NFL. And I always think, well, there's only about eight or nine great owners in the NFL. You know, there's a lot of squirrelly guys out there and squirrelly families doing things. when you heard Brian Flores' accusations, did you immediately dismiss them or as part of you thinking, oh, yeah, I've had three different ownership groups. I can see it. Well, I'll be honest with you. I mean, I thought he came across very, very believing, you know.

Yeah. I don't know, Brian. I've never met him. But I guess the more I thought about it, I mean, I don't know if an. owner would really know who the best quarterback in the draft is. You know, I mean, really. I mean, think about some of these guys. They don't know.

Only if somebody's telling them. So it'll be very interesting. I mean, it's really a sad day on both accounts, you know, the allegations, obviously, that Brian's making, but also that he's making against an owner in the NFL. I mean, in today's world, with everything going on and the betting world, becoming such a big part of it and points and, you know, and to lose games, I don't know. It's a mess.

It's really bothersome. And I've got a lot of friends over there, as you know, you mentioned, you know, nobody's really talking. No one's saying anything. I mean, I think there's going to be a lot more people involved in different conversations. You know, Chris Greer is a general manager. I brought Chris on board when I was the head coacher. It's a Scott for me.

I think the world of Chris. His dad was a long time, one of the most respected scouts in the national football league back in the day. And Chris, you know, and he's the general manager. So I don't know, you know, his name hasn't been mentioned on either side at this point. So there's going to be a lot more people that have. information and have opinions on which way this went. It's just a shame. Now, you know what? If I get the whole thing about the hiring process, and I would be upset too. I mean, if I was going into interview for a job and find out in any profession and found out that

somebody already had the job, that would be very disappointing to me. And I would be upset about it. As far as getting released because you had two winning seasons, you know, I mean, I had 10, I average 10, wins a year at Miami. So don't go. I never lost a season at all. So I can't go there. Jimmy Johnson was pushed out of Dallas after winning a Super Bowl. So, you know what I mean? So, so no, really. So let's not let's not say because two winning seasons that, that you can't be fired, any coach, anywhere. There's a lot of things that go into it. And but the whole interview process, I get that. And I, I would be very disobeyed. disappointed too if I thought that I was in their interviewing and and trying to sell myself and trying to get this job knowing that somebody else already had it and mine was just just window dressing as they say so I get that part of what Brian's saying I really do if an owner came to you and said Dave it's your first NFL job Miami I'll give you a hundred grand just lose the last three or four games

what would be your reaction immediately? My reaction would be I would lose the locker. I mean, you might as well fire me because, and I kind of, my tenure, it's funny to say that, little different circumstances, but our owner, God rest in Wayne Hisinga, we started off slow. That's the year, Ricky Williams, and he wanted to start because of some outside opinions, which Wayne never did. He wanted to make some quarterback changes and start playing some younger players.

players. And what ended our relationship, I said, I cannot do that. I says, I will lose the locker room. Jason Taylor, Zach Thomas, Sam Madison, no, even though this guy is struggling right now, our quarterback, Jay Fiedler, as an example, we got to stay the course, Wayne, because I'll lose the locker room, because this is who these teams believe in. So I always go back to my players. am I going to get my players to play hard for me? How am I going to get the most out of my players? And I think that, you know, I think that's what Brian Flores alluded to, you know, that I have a responsibility to you, yes, as the owner, but, and that ended my job. That ended my job at the Dolphins. And basically, you know, Mr. Izinga said, well, that's, you're, he's the boss.

And this is what you want to do, then it's, it's not going to work and it didn't work. So, you know, It sounds like different circumstances, obviously. It had nothing to do with winning and losing, throwing games or any of that stuff or no money or anything. But still, where the owner wanted the head coach to do something, and the head coach is thinking about those players. I mean, how am I going to get these guys to give everything they got every week and lay it on a line if I'm not doing that by the plays being called

or the people, you know, who were playing or however you were going to try to do that, I have no idea. But I get Brian Floyd's point because I kind of lived it to a different degree. Listen, if you go to the last five years, there's been a handful of really good hires, Sean McDermott, Mike Vrable, Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVeigh, Matt LaFleur. I'm not disputing that. But I went over the last 20 years and coach about 15 percent of the, these hires last. So there is something weird about the hiring process.

I'll give you an example. So if I was the New York Giants, I hired Ben McAdoo, never been a coach, bombs. Joe Judge, he'd never been a coordinator, bombs. I would have thought as an owner. I'm going to go get somebody who's been a coach, and they went with a coordinator again. Forget Brian Flores for a second. The last guy that worked in New York, Tom Coughlin, like Flood. had been a head coach.

I am surprised that Jim Caldwell, Doug Peterson, Jason Garrett. They're rarely getting interviewed. Are you a little surprised? I mean, Jason Garrett, nine and a half years, Dave, he had one losing season. He didn't get a sniff on any job. What do you make of that?

Well, you know, I thought about that too. Doug Peterson, I thought would be a guy that would be the first guy off the list. Same. I mean, just because of, I know Doug, I know his personality. I mean, I think the players enjoyed playing for him. He gets the big picture.

He was a quarterback. I mean, what are you looking for? You know, the interesting thing, as you were naming those head coaches, I was naming their quarterbacks in my mind, Joe Burrow, Aaron Rogers. I mean, you know, which we all know has a lot to do with it. And these guys are all very good coaches. That's, I'm not, I'm not, you know, remember. moving that from our conversation.

I'm just saying that most of them have pretty good teams. And I think, you know, everybody kind of falls into that, you know, Sean McVemo, that we can get a guy and, and I can have a better relationship with them. And I can make him kind of my guy as compared to a guy that's a head coach and wants to do some more things his way. Sure. I, you know, Jason Garrett is interesting too, because.

You know, I think, you know, guys used to get jobs and get interviews at least. Every, Al Davis interviewed almost every head coach because he wanted to fire, he wanted to information from the club that the guy was with. Tell me everything about the Dallas Cowboys. How does Jerry do this? Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.

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How do you, you know, so when you got to establish head coach for that long a period, as a Jason Garrett, I'm really surprised that he's not. getting interviews just to get these other general managers and owners to get information. Yeah. Yeah. No, the whole process is screwy to me. I don't even get it. I, it is interesting, though, Dave, that we have 19 of 32 coaches are now offensive. It'll probably be 21 or 22 when it's all over.

Yeah. The last four coaches were offensive. Sean McDermott and Mike Ravel are really outliers. They're really defensive young coaches. that are winning games, if you were a general manager, even with your defensive background, would you think to yourself, boy, if it's a coin flip, I got to go offensive guy here? Well, here's the only concern. And I never got to that point.

But when I went to the Bears, I hired Ronnie Turner, you know, Norris brother, who I'd worked with the USC as my offensive coordinator. And we're winning nine games. We go to a playoffs. We win a playoff game. The next year, he gets the head job at University of Illinois. And I made this comment when the Bears hired Matt Iberflots because he is a defensive guy. Great comes from a Colts solid deal, everything, his numbers.

You know, he has done a great job with the Colts defense. But, you know, he hired Luke Getsy from Green Bay to be his offensive coordinator at the Bears. And maybe there's something to, if the team has success, everybody who's going to want to to hire Luke gets it. You're the guy that got Justin Field scored away. So now I got to go find another offensive coordinator where if you do hire an offensive guy, you know, the quarterback's a top priority. He's going to get him squared away. He's going to be overseeing. You know, I just think that the defensive coaches in this league do not get nearly the respect nowadays. It will maybe what they did in the past. I mean, when I got my job, I mean, there was Belichick

and there was Parcells. I mean, you know, I could go down. There was a lot. There was a lot. lot more defensive mentality coaches. And that's not the way it is today. And I just think it's because these owners want to get a guy that they can have for 10 years and know that we're going to have our quarterback for 10 years and the defense they can figure that out later. Well, also, there's something to think about. The league, the greatest fear Roger Goodell has as commissioner, I heard him say this, was a

player dying on the field. So they're trying to make the game safer. What does that mean? not as many tough hits. What does that mean? It's more offensive. It used to be, Dave, you maybe had one receiver on a roster who was willing to go over the middle, Michael Irvin for the Cowboys, and take shots.

Hell, that middle of the field now, that's all offense. That is all offense. And so I do think the league is trying to get safer. That hurts the defense. I also think sports gambling and fantasy football. When offensive players shine, the TV ratings go up. You have greater relationships as a fan with quarterbacks, backs, receivers because you get points. And so I think the league as it grows is leaning offensive and the ratings indicate it works.

So I think you can I think you can work with a defensive coach. Let's talk about the Bears, Iber Flues. Here's what I worry about. Never been a head coach. First time play caller as a coordinator. First time GM only work with the Kansas City Chiefs. And Justin Fields was really rocking. in year one. Boy, Dave, there's a lot of firsts there. Aren't you a little concerned?

I am. For all the reasons you said are legitimate, but maybe the best thing is if Aaron Rogers leaves and Minnesota is all upside down right now, right? New head coach, new general manager. So I think that will give the bears. The bears are going to accumulate some wins, in my opinion, just because of what's going on in their division. They're going to have a chance to make some strides. Aaron Rogers leaves, and who knows what's going to happen at Minnesota, Kurt Cousins, are they going to be starting over? We don't know. And I'll tell you, Detroit today just hired Matt Nagy.

You talk about oil and water. Is that the expression? Right? Matt Nagy is now the new offensive coordinator of the Detroit Lions. And you talk about a guy that, you know, lacked running the ball. Dan Campbell. Dan Campbell, all he wants to do is run the ball. So that's going to be real.

That's going to be real interesting. I mean, that seems to be a, that's amazing fit right there. It truly is. Well, Dan's old school, Matt's new school. Yep. It's the sound of another sale on Shopify, the all-in-one commerce platform I love to start run and grow your business. Shopify gives entrepreneurs the resources once reserved for big business.

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You have a rookie tight end who looks like he could be a star. Najee Harris, I thought he was better than I suspected. the defense has led the NFL in sacks for five years, and Mike Tomlin is a Hall of Fame coach. You have historically a very good front office. You do not have a quarterback in that room that is good enough to win multiple playoff games. Let me throw this at you.

You run the Steelers. You're from Pittsburgh. Jimmy Garoppolo, two years. Haskins behind him. We will draft a quarterback over the third. the next two years or make a deal for one. But because of Jimmy Garapolo's injury history, Dave, you don't have to give up much for him. In fact, if the Niners could get Joe Hayden a corner for Garoppolo in a fifth round pick,

that may be it. Because I believe Garaplo, listen, Kyle Shanahan's record is awful without him. You can say what you want, Dave. If you have surrounding talent, you can win a lot of games with Jimmy. I've got proof. Would you give him a role for two years knowing his injury history? I would because of the situation that Pittsburgh is in. I agree with you.

Mason, Rudolph and Haskins, I don't think they believe any of those guys can play. They definitely have to sign someone or draft them. Here's the biggest problem I have with that thought is the San Francisco runs the ball and they run an offense, in my opinion, that's about as quarterback friendly as anybody in the NFL. Yeah. Right? Pittsburgh, even with Najee Harris,

the running back, who I think is a star, they really haven't committed to running the football. I know they did the last game or two, but leading into the last four games of the season, they were in the bottom four with number of attempts. So I think it's, could be disastrous for Jimmy Garoppolo to go to a team like Pittsburgh or anywhere where they are not going to be at least a balanced run team, at least a balanced run team.

Otherwise, you're not being fair to him or you're not being fair to your team. He's got to be in a quarterback friendly offense for a couple of years until you get somebody younger and move on down the road. That would be my opinion. Maybe not as much with Jimmy. We know what we get with Jimmy. Yeah. But how are we going to protect him?

How are we going to give him the best chance to be successful? We've got to run them. It's got to be a quarterback friendly offense, just like San Francisco does. You know what I mean? And I'd love, boy, it's hard for me to even say that Pittsburgh might not be that type of team because everybody up there since I was born talked about running the ball and being physical, but it sure hasn't happened the last couple years. I want to talk about another team you know.

So we've talked dolphins, bears, Steelers. Let's go to the Cowboys. Those four teams you have great insight on, not that you don't otherwise, but those four. So I have seen multiple occasions where Mike McCarthy struggles with clock management. He's an offensive guy. I understood Herm Edwards as a defensive guy for years, kind of struggling with clock management.

Take me to your career. I don't remember Dave Wanstatt struggling with clock management. In the case of Mike McCarthy, I almost wonder if they should take it out of his hands. I think at one point, Herm Edwards hired somebody to worry about clock management. For you in your career, because you were a guy that you kind of let the offense, you wanted to run the football, but you were what I would call a walkaround coach. You went from unit to unit. You coached coaches. Is clock management that difficult?

Well, we did. I'll tell you, my first year up there, because I knew the responsibility that I had. We took one half a day at training camp with the entire staff, and I had my young coaches pull out every two-minute drill successful and non-success is the NFL had, and we put them on a tape. and we came on that meeting with what are teams doing well, when did they start using their timeouts? In other words,

like the John Montana's and Dan Marino's the best in the business back then. I mean, Montana was the best. And they didn't even, Bill Walsh, they didn't think of calling a timeout unless there was 45 seconds or less. They would let it go. So if there was a minute, they were running place. And so we came up with a script of this is when we want, to call the timeouts. This is when we don't. Obviously, this is when we can take the knee

with one timeout, with two timeouts. So it was not anybody up there or me trying to think about it. I mean, we had it documented. And yes, there are some gut decisions. I'm not saying that, you know, depending on the score of the game. I get that. But and then, so I always had, it was like Mike Shula was my quarterback coach. And he was my tight end coach at the Bears. he was my quarterback coach at the Dolphins. And Mike was really smart, and he was my guy. When we got down to that situation, Mike, how many plays do we got to run before we can run the clock out?

Mike, coach, we're coming up on a minute. We got to get ready for the no hurry. I mean, he was always the guy and I welcomed that. Now, I had a philosophy, too, that when we were not going to give the team the ball back before the half. I don't give a darn. I mean, if there was two minutes, I'd tell you. take a knee and before I take a chance of drop them back and throw in three and complete passes

and giving Brett Barb the ball at the 45-yard line and let them kick a field goal. I didn't. I wanted to go in with the momentum at half time. That was just my personal loss. Okay. So that's interesting. So Andy Reid, he with five seconds left, see, I didn't like it. And I love Andy. Runs a play.

And my takeaway is this. I want the field goal. I want to go into the locker room with a 24-3 lead and my guy's going, we got him. And I want the Bengals going into the locker room thinking, you know, Dave, I didn't like it at all. And I love Andy. What did you make of it? 100% agree with you. I mean, that was a for me, the way I would look at it, I'm with you 100%.

I mean, you want to go in in a big game like that. You're always trying to keep the momentum. Yes. particularly when you got the lead, particularly when you got the lead. You want to keep your foot on the pedal. How can you best keep your foot on the pedal? Get three more points. You know, create that separation even more so.

No, I agree with you on that. So I never really had a problem with clock management because I had someone who we had talked everything through and we knew what we wanted to do from a philosophy standpoint. And they knew me. I mean, you know, I remember Chan Galea, and we get the ball at Miami and every two minutes to go. And I said, let's run it and go in at halftime. You say, you sure, you don't want to throw a pass here? And I said, nope, let's use, you know, if they want to use their time up, but we got the lead or it's tight.

Let's go in at halftime and regroup. I was conservative. And another reason why I'm sitting here talking to you and probably not coach. But that's just what I believed in because we, Trust me, it worked out in our favor. I heck of a lot more than it didn't. So Jim Harbaugh interviews for the Vikings job doesn't get it, goes back to Michigan. On signing day, by the way.

Dave, you have a rare perspective and so would Jimmy. You coach college and pro. Right now, there is more structure and control over personnel in the end. NFL with millionaires than there is with college due to the transfer portal. And I believe you can't have any in-season integrity with your roster. A player could leave week to week. Like in the NFL, you've got a trading deadline in a free agency period. I think part of Harbaugh, maybe it's a small part, I think this transfer portal is so out of control with no guardrails.

I think you're going to see more college guys. my opinion, GoPro. I think Harbaugh wants to get back to the NFL. I think he wanted the Vikings job. Oh, I know.

I've been corresponding. In fact, I was texting with Jim last night. You know, I wanted to see the Bears interview him. And I said this on, and I got everything,

buddy in Chicago startup a month ago. And I said, you know, I said, you don't have to hire him, but I would bring Jim in and talk to him.

And my big thing with Jim Harbaugh, and maybe people look at the offense he runs as a dinosaur, sore offense, old school. But at least when Jim walks in the door, there's an identity there.

You know what you're getting, right? So, but Bears had no interest. And he played for Bill Pollyne. And Bill Pollyne was part of the selection committee. Okay, fine. So then the whole thing was signing day. I said this on the air Tuesday morning in Chicago on my radio show. I said, guys, Jim is going to Minnesota.

it's over. And he told me that Mr. Ross, this is a month ago, you know, because of the Michigan thing, that he was not going to do anything in Miami. He didn't feel good about that. But I said he's going to Minnesota. You know how big signing date is? And I know most of these kids are signed early. But signing date is kind of the one day where college coaches are high-fiving each other

up and down the halls. They bring in big breakfast and the recruits are calling in and you're putting the names up on the board. this is our new depth chart. It's an exciting, and then that night you go out and all the alumni have rallies, and the head coach says this is our final class. National signing date is a real exciting, important time. And for Jim not to be there, I mean, they love them.

And obviously I love Jim, but boy, I'll tell you what, a lot of places, that would have been a real problem, that you're up interviewing the night before on signing date. I mean, that's, it's different. But he's back and he's fired up. He texts me last night. He's full of enthusiasm, 90 miles an hour. So here we go. That was a strange one, though.

And for NFL people, they might not be able to digest how important this college signing day is. And the other thing, too, you know, I talked to Pat Narduzzi, the head coach of Pity called me about 10 days ago because he hired Frank Shignetti, an offensive coordinator who I had a pick. that we were talking about Frank. And he says, now he said, it's to the point where he has to recruit. I says, well, when can these guys not leave? And they got Addison, the little receiver, who won the Blitnikoff Award. And this kid is being recruited for this NIA, you know, like this thing. And teams are trying to, you know, talk him into leaving.

And it came out today. Narduzzi said it today, that last year, at this time, Notre Dame was trying to get Kenny Pickett to transfer. I mean, that's not right. You know what I mean? That's, you shouldn't have to recruit these kids three times. One time to get them, one time to make sure that no one else steals them. And one time to keep them from going in the draft.

I mean, it's getting to be, it's tough. Coach, just so much insights. You are the most well-connected man in showbiz. I love it. I ask you a question. I get an answer every time. Yeah, I mean, it's, yeah, there's some, the last few days have been very interesting. days, you know, in national football league and college football, too. I mean, but, and then Michigan

ended up, I got to say this, because I'm a Michigan fan. I mean, they ended up number eight in the country in recruiting without your head coach there. Yeah, I mean, I said, I used to stand by that. And my daughter's laughed at me because I used this on my radio show. I used to stand by the fax machine. And they texted me, dad, there's no more, the fax machines are no wrong. But I used to stand it. Sure. You could send the letters in at 7 o'clock, and I would stand by that fax machine, like a 10-year-old kid at Christmas waiting for those letters to come in. That's what a big deal was.

I know. Great seeing you, coach. Go interview. I don't know. All right. See you. Great stuff. That's so good.

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