The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast - Dave Wannstedt on Trubisky/Steelers Optimism, Bears Direction, Belichick 2nd Guessing, Randy Gregory --> DEN, NFL Draft Stories

Episode Date: March 16, 2022

Colin explains which under-the-radar team makes sense for Deshaun Watson, what move by the Seahawk front office showed the franchise was in trouble, and why Bill Belichick's 'Patriot Way' with personnel movesThen, former Bears & Dolphins HC and Cowboys DC Dave Wannstedt and Colin discuss why Dave is more bullish on Mitch Trubisky to the Steelers than most (11:00), which free agency signing helped put the 90's Cowboys over the top (20:00), if Bill Belichick deserves the benefit of the doubt for some heavily criticized personnel moves with JC Jackson and Shaq Mason (23:00), how Randy Gregory's free agency signing can impact Denver's defense (29:00), if the Bears have reason for optimism with a new coach and GM (31:00), which player blew him away in pre draft interviews (34:00), which player was his biggest miss (38:00), and draft stories from his time with Jimmy Johnson and the Cowboys (39:00), and the unique way his longtime friend Norv Turner interviewed with Jimmy Johnson for the Cowboys OC job (41:00).Make sure to Subscribe and follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates and check out FanDuel for the best wagering and daily fantasy action! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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One of them is Jimmy Garoppolo. One of them is DeAndre Hopkins. You know, one of them is Jimmy Graham. You know, we worry so much about money and years and guaranteed money. Russell Wilson looked at 14 teams. Said, no, no, no, no, no, I want Denver. That's the difference between Russell Wilson making the Hall of Fame and not. Denver's going to win a lot of games because he goes to a really stacked roster.

Deshaun Watson now can choose between Carolina, the Saints, the Browns. He can say, no, I'm going to Atlanta, a much more dynamic economy. It is essentially the Hollywood of the South Atlanta. Arthur Blank is one of the best owners. no trade clause is Deshawn Watson being a good player and a Hall of Famer. You go to the right owner. Now he's got an offensive coach in Atlanta, a Hall of Fame potential talent in Kyle Pits the tight end. I would take Atlanta over Carolina, New Orleans, and Cleveland any day of the week.

Just one of these things we don't talk about. I mean, can you imagine you or I working at a company that could move us to anywhere, any one of 30 other semi-similar businesses. You don't think the quality of the ownership, the quality of the city, the quality of the coworkers would matter. The ability for me at this point in my career as a broadcaster to be able to choose where I go is the difference between disappearing and elevating my career. Russell Wilson, 14 teams he considered.

He ultimately told the Seahawks, This is the one I want. And they made a deal. Wasn't necessarily the best deal they could get. It was the deal Russell wanted. Speaking of Seattle, you know, people give you signs all the time of their competence or incompetence. Now, nobody would suggest that the draft is easy or that even smart GMs don't occasionally miss on free agency. Chemistry is a hard thing to predict.

But the Seahawks told you about three years ago, they really didn't know what they were doing. And they told you that. And Russell Wilson saw this and saw it as a sign. This is when most of the complaint started, when they made that Jamal Adams trade. The Seahawks gave up two firsts and a third and a safety in Bradley McDougal. to get a safety who doesn't have great coverage skills. That is an outrageous reach by Seattle. I like Jamal Adams.

I would trade maybe a late first, early second round pick for him. Two firsts, a third, and a player? That told you the Seahawks are a mess. Even in the Denver trade Russell Wilson, only two firsts. I had two different GMs tell me, you got to get three firsts. for Russell Wilson. Randy Gregory joining the Broncos tells you they know what they're doing.

The recent three drafts, two by George Payton, tell you the Broncos know what they're doing. Everybody makes mistakes. But when you see a colossal reach in the draft, Giants getting Daniel Jones at six, when you see a colossal mistake in a trade, two firsts, a third and a player for Jamal Adams, That front office is telling all of us they really don't know what they're doing. Seattle now is a tire fire. Russell Wilson, better for it, leaving. One of the things I often warn against, as I age, I think about this, don't fall in love with things that have worked before.

The world is changing. And a lot of Patriot fans, as they let J.C. Jackson go to the Chargers or a Shaq. Mason go to the Buccaneers in Brady, say, hey, Bill knows what he's doing. Does he? Or did he have the best quarterback of all time? If you take the seven and a half years of Bill Belichick's career without Brady, that's four years in Cleveland, the last two in New England, the Matt Castle year in New England, Brady hurt, and that year that Bledso started before Brady, Bill Belichick has won 47 percent of his games. Balichick has fallen in love with his worldview. So they don't pay their quarterback anything, Mac Jones.

The top GMs in this league, when you don't pay a quarterback, go big in free agency. Let's go get stars, the Chargers, for example, Khalil Mack, J.C. Jackson, Cincinnati now, spending money. New England doesn't pay Mac Jones, and they let J.C. Jackson go. And they let Shaq Mason go. Who are they paying? Think about this if you think I'm wrong. Right now, if you took the Buccaneers where Tom Brady is at now, and the Patriots were used to be,

and I said between the two teams, name the 10 best players, Patriots would have one. The 10 best players would be Tristan Wirth's, Bucks, Mike Evans, Tampa, Ryan Jensen, Tampa, Levanté David, Tampa, Chris Godwin, Tampa, Shaq Mason, now Tampa, Shaq Barrett Tampa, Vita Via Tampa and Matt Judon, New England. I'm not even counting Brady. I'm not even counting Brady. Brady would make it 10 of the 11 best players are in Tampa. It's amazing that Belichick, this is the Greg Popovich issue.

You lose Duncan, suddenly you think, it's the culture, it's the system, it's not the players. He lets Kauai go to Toronto. No. They've never been the same franchise. Does everybody see what's happening? The league over the last several years is a quarterback weapons pass rush league. The Patriots aren't elite at any of those three spots. It's remarkable to me. They have, outside of Matt Judon, no special players. Don't fall in love with previous success. Keep growing. All right, Dave Wonstat, Fox, sports, Bears Dolphins head coach, coordinator for the Cowboys, Super Bowl 27. So you are one of the last American standing who loves Mitch Trebisky. No, no, no, no, no. I'm one of two because what you talked about today in your blind resumes, I watched that. And you have completely,

completely confused the National Football League world. That was fantastic. I'm telling you. But it's a fact. It truly is. And I really think, calling it, with Ms. Chavisky, a lot has to do with, and don't put Troy Aikman's numbers up, or Terry Bradshaw's the first four years. I mean, because they might be worse.

And a lot has to do with the system that you're in. And that was my only, that was my only battle cry. in supporting Mitch. Yeah, and I said this. I was never a huge Trubisky fan, but the Steelers have much better perimeter weapons offensively. Chase Claypool and Deonté Johnson. They have, they just got another offensive lineman today.

They have a better offensive line potentially than he had in Chicago, and they have a better defense. They've led the NFL in Sacks five straight years, and they have a better coach in Mike Tomlin. So my thing is, I saw Case Keenham when 11 games in this league when he had the right supporting campus. You can't tell me this Steeler team is better than that Bears team, and he got to the playoffs twice for that Bears team.

And you kept telling me, you're like, Colin, he has limitations. There is a way to win with him. And that was your assertion, right? Absolutely. And I still agree with that. And I watched them obviously every week doing shows in Chicago and was at training camp. And the first thing that got my attention was with a lot of quarterbacks, without getting in other names.

The intangibles on this kid are A plus. And by that, I mean, in early, stay late, study it, team guy, humble. I mean, all those things give the kid a chance. And now when you got some ability, I just think it was a bad mix from the very beginning. You know, Matt Nagy did not draft him. And he wanted to run a system that was different. And it just wasn't a fit. but the kid won games when he had chances.

And so I think now in Pittsburgh, and you didn't even mention Harris, Naji Harris, maybe all rookie running back that the Steelers have. So the Steelers and Mike Tomlin, they're going to play defense and they're going to run the ball. And I think it's a great fit for the guy. And whether they draft a rookie, they might be thinking in the back of the mind, the Steelers still need to draft a rookie running back or a quarterback, I'm sorry. And that's fine. You know, but give Mitch a chance.

And let's say, and two years' experience up there playing behind Josh Allen with Brian Dayball as his offensive coordinator. Helps running a system. Helps a lot. Running a system where the quarterback run was a big part of Buffalo's offense with Josh Allen. You know what I mean? So the stewards are going to have a lot of good film the study of what they believe this kid can do best. I think it's a good, I love it.

I'm so happy for this kid. I said today, if you told me Tua, or Trubisky because of his athletic ability and the ability to move the pocket, I would take Trubisky over toa. Absolutely. And the ability, I think, to throw the ball down the field, Trubisky is a lot better athlete than people give him credit for. And he's a tough guy.

He's a tough guy. I mean, this kid is, so I think it's a good fit. I like it. Like I said, now, you know, I'm not going to, I'm not going overboard if the Steelers draft, the Willis kid from Liberty. I know they're high on him in the draft. So be it. It's going to take that kid a couple of years to get ready.

Let's see what happens with Mitch. Yeah, and I think something, you know the Steelers in the front office very well. The other thing is, and you touched on this, Mitch is a stealer kid. Hardworking, not a big ego. You know, I said this about Big Ben. Ben was a polarizing figure. I made one call today that somebody that knew Tribisky in Chicago and they're like, everybody loved him. Ben could split locker rooms.

He had trouble with Lavian. He had trouble with offensive coordinators, Todd Haley. He had trouble with AB. My guy said, Jay Cutler polarizing in Chicago. Big band polarizing in Pittsburgh. He's like everybody loved Trubesky. He feels like a Pittsburgh guy. That's what I might take.

He works. Yeah. And that's the way he plays the game. He works and he plays that way. No, I think it's a good fit. I think for the Steelers, you know, they were not going to give away three number one picks for Deshawn Watson. I mean, that wasn't going to happen. I tell you what, talking to people back there, they've seen enough of Rudolph, Mason Rudolph, they've seen enough of Haskins.

You know, they want to, Ben's gone, let's have a clean slate and let's move forward. So it's a good. And the offensive coordinator there, he loves the movement stuff, you know. He did a lot. So that he's not a Matt Canada. You know, Matt Canada, when he was at Pitt and he, and he, he, had Peterman there. I mean, they did a lot of the jet sweeps and all that. Yeah. I hate to say college stuff, but that's kind of what he did and had success with that. Ben couldn't do that. Let me tell you something. You rush four guys against Mr. Biscay. You look up in your blind resume, how many first downs he made with his feet. It's a big number. He'll make plays with his feet. Take a shot on college hoops this March, and right now we're

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I look at what Denver's done. They went and got Randy Gregory, Russell Wilson. I mean, Randy Gregory is a tough block opposite Bradley Chubb. Do you worry, though, when you bring in big personalities, multiple personalities? How hard was it when you were coaching? And by the way, you not only bring them in, Dave, sometimes you pay them more than other guys on the roster that aren't paid yet. Is it hard for a coach to make that synthesize all that chemistry?

history. Yeah, the one thing that, and this is my experience now with free agency, and we were there when it all started, they called it Plan B and then it went to free agency. So I've kind of experienced it all. And the one thing you've got to be careful of, most guys have become free agents or free agents for a reason. It never gets talked about, you know, and, you know, so there's more to the story because the team that's letting them become a free agent, they know more about this.

individual player on the field, off the field, class, everything about them than anybody else in the league. So I think you really have to be careful whether it's a great player like a Russell Wilson or Gregory, the guys we're talking about, you know, you got to really be careful with the free agency market. It can divide, if it's not the right guy, it can divide your locker room. There's no question about that. You know, when we were at Dallas, we thought, felt like the one ingredient that we needed to win a Super Bowl, we needed a pass rusher. We had everything else kind of in place and we went out and we got Charles Haley. And Charles Haley came in for us and he made the difference.

Charles was the difference in us winning a Super Bowl, my opinion, you know, particularly on defense. We ended up number one in the league that year in defense and the whole NFL and Charles had a huge part of that. But his work ethic on the field was we underestimated how hard this kid worked. And so, you know, I just think you've got to do your research on them, but you've got to keep in the back of your mind. Why is this player a free agent? Why is Randy Gregory?

Why was he a free agent for the Cowboys? You know, sometimes there's more to the story, but you better be sure because if they're not the right type of person, they can split your locker room. There's no question about that. You know, it's really interesting. I talked about this in my rant before we did this, that you can't fall in love with things that have worked before. But you do know as a coach, there are certain recipes that work. And if you go look at Belichick's five years in Cleveland, the last two years in New England, the year Brady got hurt, and New England before Brady started, the Bledso years. without Tommy's won 47% of his games.

And I think Bill's brilliant. But this is something Rex Ryan said for years. He's like, listen, Brady changes the equation. He's like a movie star on an average script. You know, a lot of those funny movies wouldn't be as funny without Jim Carrey. He made the movie, right? Otherwise, it's a bad, stupid movie. And I look at Belichick, they let Shaq Mason go.

They let J.C. Jackson go. Hell, they're not paying Mac Jones. They're in a division with wildly deep and talented Buffalo. My thing is, listen, I know Belichick can coach. They don't have enough star players, Dave. They got Matt Judon, who vanished at the end of the season. They don't have any perimeter playmakers. What do you make – I mean, hell, they're not paying Mac Jones.

Who are they paying? Yeah, it did surprise me a little bit with the – when Jackson got away. You know, because I thought they'd re-sign him. You know, again, Bill obviously has an opinion that we're not aware of or we're not privy to. You know, I would just say this, regardless of who plays, and we can talk Mac Jones versus Tom Brady. The foundation of the Patriot Way, let's use that, what Bill Belichick wants to do, not turn the ball over, be one of the least penalized teams, be good in the special teams. It doesn't matter who the players are. that formula doesn't change.

And I think where coaches get into problems, all of a sudden they get a player that's a great dropback passer and they change their whole philosophy and then they end up throwing interceptions and it doesn't work out. Where Bill inserts players into the mold that he wants his team to be,

and he's done that since Cleveland. I mean, you come back and look, we played Cleveland when he was up there and I practiced against him. When he was at Cleveland, he came out three years in a row to Chicago, to Platteville to the Bears when I was a head coach of the Bears and we worked against each other. And it was the it was the blueprint that they were going to do.

And you saw that this year with Mack Jones. It was going to be high percentage passes, a lot of screens. Run the ball. Don't turn it over. One of the least penalized teams in the league. Play good defense. I mean, that's the formula. So I, you know, you know, yeah, Tom Brady was the difference.

I remember a playoff game where we lost to him. and I remember North Turner, Colby and he says, take a look at this. And I think we had 15 third dons, and they had 15 third dons. And our quarterback, Jay Feather,

I think he completed, you know, eight of the third, of the 15 third dons. Right. And Brady completed 11 or 12. And it was those three passes that made the difference in them getting first dons and winning the game by three points.

You know, so I think that Tom Brady, a player of his captain, Alibur does make a difference, but my point is this, that Tom Brady played within the framework of the Patriot Way. You know, his skill did not meant that he, even though he could have done more in his mind, he didn't. He didn't. And so I think that's Bill Belichick. There's a lot of credit.

A lot of these coaches will swing one way or another, depending completely on the players they lose. and they lose the foundation of what they're trying to build. That doesn't happen in New England. You know, never will. Well, I think one of the best pickups so far in free agency was Denver getting Randy Gregory. Like Charles Haley, he can be volatile. So I want to talk about Randy Gregory because I thought with Dallas, Dave, there were moments where he was, he and Michael Parsons were so disruptive to the offensive front.

Those guys are just simply too fast for their size for a lot of offensive linemen to get their feet under. Like Charles Haley, he's a volatile personality. So when you got Haley, you had a damn good locker room. You had a way of doing things. When you get a player that can be more volatile, what do you have to do as a coaching staff? Because Randy has had his issues. He's great, but you get a different temperament sometimes week to week. Well, I think, you know, the player needs to understand that he is going to be scrutinized a little bit closer.

And Randy Gregory better go up there to Denver and he better perform and he better produce. And that's, and Charles Haley figured that out real quick. And when he came to the Cowboys, you know, the film doesn't lie. We would sit in there Monday after a Sunday game and we put the tape on and Charles Haley was hanging on the quarterback. It took about two games and everybody was. soul that this guy can help us win. And at the end of the day, you know, that's, that's what the players want. They're playing for a ring. So I think that's what Gregory's going to have to do. And there's, I'm sure there's a reason that I said earlier that we're not privy to, why did Gregory

become? And he's had a story pass right there with the Cowboys, a lot of issues off the field. We know the whole circumstances. But there was something that Dallas was not willing to jump on the table for right from the get-go and sign this guy. Were you ever concerned about a player who had some volatility as a coach? If you would sit down with the GM, what would you say about Gregory? Were you willing to? I mean, Denver is in a tough division. Sometimes you've got to take risks.

How much influence would you have? What would be the difference between taking a volatile guy and not? All about his, the football side of it. That's what I was always concerned with. was the guy going to be, how was he with meetings? How was he his effort on the practice field? You know what I mean? If this was a guy that was going to be late, we wouldn't tolerate that. I never did. Jimmy never did. I mean, you know, and Charles Haley, you know, hey, he had maybe some off-to-field issues. But as far as being at practice and working hard in practice, that was not an issue.

So I'm assuming, you know, Randy Gregory is that type of player. And so I think from a coaches standpoint, it's all about production. You know, you want guys who are going to produce. produce for you, you want guys that are going to be, you know, be team guys to a degree. But that, you know, that can get overrated. I mean, if a guy's that good of a player, you know, he doesn't have to be the leader in the locker room, you know, go out and produce. If he produces for you, you got to find a way as a coach to be flexible enough to get the most.

That's coaching, you know, getting 22 guys to do what they necessarily don't want to do, but they have to do it to win. So that's all part. I used to say that's why they give you a shirt and a whistle that says coach on it, you know, go. Get the most out of the player. And that's what I see with some of these players. It could be a little bit, like you say, a little bit tough to handle.

You know the Chicago Bears well. Here's what worries me. Rookie GM, a defensive coach in a league that is increasingly offensive. Should I be worried if I'm a Bears fan? Justin Fields now. Probably going to lose Alan Robinson. Offensive lines still work in progress. A defensive head coach.

How much, and you know this organization well, are you a little concerned off a turbulent year one about year two for him? No, I'll tell you what. This is as encouraged I've been about the Bears organization in years. And let me tell you two things. Two things. Number one, you know, the offense is young. David Montgomery, Mooney, the tight end, you know, the rookie on their good.

You know, they've got two young offensive linemen and I think they're going to be players. They are a young offense, Justin Fields. And the problem that the Bears would have had, if they keep all these veteran guys, the Danny Trebasins and the Khalil Mack. You know, I mean, in two years, you know, when the offense, reaches the peak of a championship level play, the defense would have been old or out of contracts. So I love what they're doing.

They are saying right now, you know what, we are going to go young. We got a young football team. We're going to draft young players. We're going to coach young players. And we're going to bring this whole franchise to the top at the same time. I think that's smart. The second thing, why I love a defensive head coach, I mean, he understands the importance of running the football. And, you know, three of the coaches that they hired on

offense, Luke Getsey was on my staff at Pitt. Andrew Janoco, their quarterback coach, was a backup quarterback for me at Pitt. And David Walker, their running back coach, who they hired was with me six years of Pitt. They all get the running game and they understand it. It's going to be the best thing that could have happened for Justin Fields. Is Justin Fields going to be a great player? I don't know. We all hope so, but we're going to find out. because he's going to be in an offense now that truly gives him a chance to be successful. They're going to run the ball. They're going to play defense.

They're going to play field position. And that's, in my mind, that's what a young quarterback really needs until he gets his confidence and until he gets his swagger a little bit. So we're going to find out because Justin Fields is going to get the best chance in this system with these coaches to be successful. So I like what they're doing personnel-wise and I like what they're doing philosophy-wise. I really do. I would have thought you hated the Khalil Mack move.

You like pass rushers. I do. But, you know, between Killeel Mack last year, between, I'm just going to kill Killeem, Hicks, and Cohen, a little running back that they let go. Between those three guys, they played 3% of the snaps, 3% of their plays. I mean, because of injuries. It's age. It's injury.

it's time to move on. New regime, new coach, new energy. You got to do it. It's time to move on. And I'm all for it. I love Cleo Mac. I hope he has a great year with the Chargers. I really do and all these other guys.

But get those young guys in there and build this team together. We're not into April yet. So the draft is over a month away. But when you, if you go back to your Bears, dolphins and cowboy days, and specifically the bears and dolphins. Did you essentially know a month and a half out of the draft who you liked and who you didn't? Were your mind, had you already sat with the scouts, the teams already have a sense of, here, we're going to fill this void free agency, we're going to get this in the draft.

How far out do you know? Oh, I think right now they all know the ability level of these. They got them all ranked by ability level, playmaking ability. injuries. You know, I think the thing that gets separated right now is the interview part of it, the personality part of it. You know, this is what players, I used to tell these young, I mean, this is what really separates players at this point.

I mean, we had a lot of players that were, we liked them. They had good numbers. Boy, we come out of that interviewer. We went to their pro day and they just sold us on themselves. You know, I mean, they were that type of kid. Yeah, I think everything I'm hearing about the Kenny Pickett kid, you know, of pit. I mean, I talked to a coach today, an offensive coordinator this afternoon of a team. And he told me, he says, you know who was unbelievable at his interview at the combine?

He says, that picket kid, he says, this kid's got it, man. You know, so I mean, I think this is how players get bumped when you start getting real close to draft day. Can you remember a specific kid that blew you away during the draft interview, Bears, Dolphins, Cowboys, blew you away? Yeah, yeah, Bobby Ingram from California. Penn State. He was a receiver from Penn State. I think the fastest Bobby ever ran at Penn State might have been four, six, five, four seven. You know, I mean, I might, I can't remember his time. I'm probably, well, if someone who's going to call me on out on Twitter, but, but it might

been four, six. He, you know, he'll say, but the point was that he wasn't a blazer. And Bobby Ingram is probably 510, maybe 511. Right. He's not a big guy, but he is a playmaker. And I'm, And when I sat down with them, I just sensed a mature kid, a kid that gets it, a winner. And we drafted him in a second round, and the kid played. That was one of the best players, you know, for a long time of day. So that was an example, I think, right there that really made a difference in his draft status. There's no question about that. No question about that.

Yeah, that's interesting. Bobby Ingram was a really good player. Yeah, and he's a coach. And he's a coach now. He's coaching. Wisconsin. Wisconsin. Offensive coordinator.

Yes. You're right. He was at Baltimore and he just got hired by Paul Chris as the offensive coordinator at Wisconsin. You're exactly right. The game is faster now. There's no huddles very rarely. So, you know, I've talked to Jimmy Johnson about this before. Jimmy always says intelligence is underrated.

The game is now faster than it used to be. Free agency and drafting. you were obviously blown away with Bobby Ingram. Were there times that you leaned into a guy or leaned out of a guy because you just thought, man, I'm not sure if this game is fast. I'm not sure if he can keep up. Yeah, I'm trying to think of a specific, oh, 100% though. No, there's no question about that.

I mean, yeah, because you know, you go to a school. And that's why I always thought that the personal stuff was, you know, I don't think we drafted a guy in the first three rounds that I didn't personally visit with. Either we brought them into our... Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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I mean, we took, I'll tell you what, we took Curtis Ener. God bless him. I don't know where Curtis is now. We took him with a fourth pick of the draft. And in my last year at the Bears, I said, we can get a running back. And Greg Shiano was on my staff. I hired him from Penn State.

Guess who recruited Curtis Enos to go to Penn State? Greg Shiano, the scout on our staff at the Bears that recruited, that scouted that area, the Northeast. Bobby Regal. Guess where he went to college? Penn State. I personally got on an airplane and flew to stay college to meet with Coach Paterno, talk about Curtis Enos, everything.

And his numbers, if you look at his colleagues' numbers, he's average, I think the average six and a half yards of carry. I mean, it was crazy. And, you know, we came in and the guy held out, and it just, it never worked out. It never worked out. And so I look back on it and I say, you know, I don't know how much more we could have done research-wise. Talked to the head coach. We had a scout who was a Penn State grad. We had Greg Shiano. And everybody was saying the same thing. And when the kid came,

he showed up, got the contract. It just never worked. So, I mean, you know, some of it is, you know what, Dave, some of it is, you're guessing. Some of it's guessing. Absolutely. No question about that. No question about that. And, and some of them, you're pushing, I remember when Emmett Smith came out. The big concern was Emmett Smith. Jimmy loved everything about him because he was a four-year player at Florida, and he has durability and you saw the history. But it was funny that the speed was the question.

Could Emmett run fast enough? And that was the wrap on him. And so Jimmy sent myself and Joe Brodsky, who was our running back coach, we went down to Florida. And I was working on a linebacker. And he says, And as only Jimmy can do it, he says, now Emmett's going to run.

He says, let's make sure we get an accurate time. So the running back coach, God bless him. He walked out and Jimmy says, Dave, make sure you're peeking on that stopwatch, you know, because he loves it. The running back, he says, make sure that we're getting a, and Emmett ran four or five something. And we came back and obviously that made the decision that we were going to draft. Not that we wouldn't have otherwise, but, you know, there's a lot. And that was a couple weeks before the draft that we just wanted to be sure, you know.

So, yeah, there are a lot of, do we trust college coaches? Some of them we can, but they all want to inflate their players and they all want their player to get drafted because it helps them recruiting. So you got to understand that part of it, which we did, which we did. I'll tell you where it really helped us is the first couple of years when we were just out of the University of Miami and we were going out and we were going to draft players. There was a lot of players at Florida, Florida State, Notre Dame all over the country that we had recruited. So we knew the type of kid they were.

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and so on. And Norv was a receiver coach at the Rams. And I remember going into Jimmy and saying, I get a guy that this guy can call plays and he can coach a quarterback. And so Jimmy brings Norv in and Norv comes with us at Dallas, you know, and the rest is history. I mean, and I remember Norv's interview. He came in and we were going to go to Camp Peasies down there in Dallas outside. Camp Peasies, I think it was called Egyptian grower, what restaurant. and so Tony Wise and I, North comes in and Norve had his books and his tape. Hell, he was ready to go after this job, you know,

I mean, whatever he had to do to, and, you know, so this is interviewing with Jimmy, he's a little different, you know, I said, just, just, so Jimmy, Jimmy says, sits there for about five minutes. He says, hey, let's go get something to eat down at Camp EZis. So Tony Wise and I said, we'll meet you there. We jump in the car and head down. And Jimmy says to Norv, come on, Norv, you ride with me.

And in the back sea of the car back in those days now, not today, but back in those days, Jimmy had this little cooler with some Heinikins. And they showed up about 30 minutes and walked in. And it was about 10 minutes later. And Jimmy looks over and says, well, we got ourselves an offensive coordinator. And from when we lived Valley Ranch, until we got the Camp Beezys, Norv had sold them, answered the questions that Jimmy had for him. and Jimmy offered him the job.

By the way, whenever you're getting interviewed for a job, make sure the guy interviewing you gets a couple of pops in him, lubricate him a little bit. He's a little better mood. Oh, no. We got some great, great stories of how we hired guys and got people together. But to answer your question, no, Norv and I, we always talk to him a great time.

You and Jimmy are tight. Did Jimmy ever get pissed at you? Really ream you? Well, yeah. I mean, I knew when it bothered them. You know, we were doing some things. But it was more, it really wasn't as much football stuff as some of the things off the field and with other assistant coaches. You know, I, you know, Jimmy, do you really want to do this?

Well, I got, yeah, hell yeah, I want to do that. You know, I mean, this got your, Jimmy, what do you think about this? I, what do you, you know, I don't know, you might, we want to think this over? No, you know what I mean? So it was more of some of the policy things probably than. And the football stuff, we were great. I mean, we were always on the same page. We were all, because we talked about it.

It's crazy. We talked about it for morning. We took Johns. We talked about it at lunchtime. We'd have beers afterwards, and we're sitting there and we're talking about it. So, I mean, football was our lives. I mean, it was very important, and it was 24-7. Well, you had to be close because one time you didn't go in at halftime during a game.

That was our last game. at the last game at the University of Miami. We were playing Nebraska in the Orange Bowl, Orange Bowl. Yeah. And Buddy Ryan had, he wanted to work out Jerome Brown, who was probably the greatest player I've ever coached. And so Buddy Ryan, who was an Oklahoma State grad, him and Jimmy had a relationship.

So he called up Jimmy and said, could I come to Miami and work out Jerome Brown, getting ready for the draft. And I, so Jimmy said, sure, he says, but when you come down here, our defensive coaches, we'd like to hear your talk about the Bayer defense, the 46 defense. Buddy said, great. So buddy comes down, does his business with Jerome. And then we sit in my office with our defensive staff and Jimmy and Buddy Ryan's going over the 46 defense.

And he had just got the Eagles job. So it was fresh. And so we put that thing in in the spring. And we were so excited about it. Well, I hate to say this, but we didn't really need it. You know, we were just clucking along and winning games and winning games. And we lost one game that year and we went for two against Notre Dame. Otherwise, we had to run the table again.

So here we are, Orange Bowl, last game of the year. And we got all this time to practice. We said, it's time to bring out the bear defense. So we put the bear defense in against Nebraska. And it was Turner Gill, and they had a great team. They'd never seen this defense. Never. We never used it.

And we unleashed this thing on them. And it was just a, you know, it was just cannon fire. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. And so they were having a tough time of the ball, obviously. And so we're getting ready for halftime. And I think they made two or three first times the first half. And so Dave Campo was sitting next to me in the press box. He was our secondary coach.

And he says, hey, you know who the halftime entertainment is? I said, who? And he said, it's your favorite group, the temptations. I said, oh, God. So I said, Jimmy, so then I flipped the headset over. I said, hey, Jimmy. I said, I'll come down here at halftime, but I really don't have anything to talk to our defense about. I said, these guys aren't going to score against us. And I said, now this is Nebraska. I think they were number like five in a country at the time. And I said, and he said, well, if you think, if we're good, I said, no, we're good. We're good. So I stayed in the press box with Campo. and we listened to the temptations.

And Bob Trumpy and Don Cricky were doing the game. And they walked by the booth and they see them sitting in there. And they kind of get a look on their face. And they stick their head and they said, Dave, is everything okay? I said, everything's great. Why? They said, nothing happened. And they thought we got fired.

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