The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast - Ed Orgeron on Recruiting Burrow, Pete Carroll & Jimmy Johnson Lessons, Transfer Portal

Episode Date: February 9, 2022

Colin discusses the ridiculousness of MVP voting and why Oklahomans need to stop whining about Lincoln Riley leaving for USC (3:00). Then, Ed Orgeron, the famed head coach who won a championship with Joe Burrow at LSU, joins Colin to discuss the first time he met Burrow (23:00), his thoughts on his former school USC and the transfer portal (29:00), his head-down approach to the LSU job (34:00), working with Pete Carroll and Jimmy Johnson (37:00), and the greatest recruiters in college football history (41:00).Make sure to Subscribe and follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates and check out FanDuel for the best wagering and daily fantasy action! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I don't understand it. If you look at the TV metrics, nobody really watches the NBA regular season. The reason, though, LeBron's got a great statistical advantage over MJ, but we cling to MJ as the best player is six for six in the finals. yet we don't count the postseason in the NBA's MVP voting. Well, when we define players, it's all about the postseason. I said six weeks ago, I would vote Joe Burrow, the MVP of the NFL, not Aaron Rogers. Because even though Aaron's clearly important to the Packers, they have a history of winning pre Aaron Rogers. They're well-run, and I think Aaron has less to overcome than Joe Burrow.

Joe Burroughs got the cheapest owner. Joe Burroughs got an average front office. Joe Burrow had Zach Taylor, who was 625 and 1 before Burrow got there. It's not an organization with great continuity or a history of great free agent signings. So Burroughs overcoming more. That's one argument. When you add the playoff success, winning on the road at Arrowhead, on the road at Tennessee, being out gained by the Raiders and winning.

How are we not considering the postseason for the National Football League most valuable player? Who's the greatest quarterback of all time? Dan Marino is the most talented, arguably, they don't win a Super Bowl. It's Tom Brady. Second is Joe Montana. Third, Elway. Fourth, Peyton Manning. They've all got titles.

It's one of the mysteries to me about sports. I've never really understood it. We define legacies with championships overwhelmingly. It's the knock on Berkeley, the knock on Dan Marino. Why aren't they considered in most valuable player voting? And I'll say it again. Joe Burrow means more to Cincinnati than Aaron Rogers means to Green Bay. That's not to say Green Bay is the same quality franchise without Aaron Rogers.

but he succeeded Brett Favre. They had Bart Starr. It's been the second or third biggest brand in the league since I was a kid. Cincinnati is the only northern franchise without an indoor practice facility. They don't make trades. Their business models out of the 70s and Joe Burroughs got them in the Super Bowl. I just don't get it. I'm just without answers on this.

When you look at Burrow and Aaron Rogers, who feels more valuable to the franchise? Is it even close? Cincinnati is a last place team in that division. How do I know that? Because if not for Cleveland, they would have been the last 15 years. But now that Cleveland has a legitimate roster, they would be the fourth place team in that division without Joe Burrow. They're a little more than a field goal underdog in the Super Bowl. Aaron Rogers leaves Green Bay.

If you look at their front office, their offensive line, their skill people, there's an argument to be made, even with Jordan Love, or a reasonable facsimile, they go on the market, they get Jimmy Garoppolo. They still win the division. I can't figure it out. I'm not saying I could run a league. But the idea that we don't consider post-season in the most valuable player voting to me is ridiculous. Lincoln Riley, formerly of Oklahoma, now USC head coach, came on my show. And a comment he had, I thought it was fairly innocuous, about the transfer portal in which he said, I didn't take players from Oklahoma. I took players from the transfer portal. And of course, sooner fans were just beside themselves. Here's what's so weird to me. The governor has had Lincoln Riley opinions. They renamed a three-foot piece of freeway to disparage Lincoln Riley. Does everybody listening understand this?

If you get divorced or your wife leaves you and you're still bad-mouthing her months later, she won. You're a stocker. You can't get over her. Watching Oklahoma, one of the three to four greatest college football programs of all time, Their inability to move on from Lincoln Riley tells you a couple of things. They know how good Lincoln was. They have issues with Brent Venables and concerns.

Moving to the SEC absolutely terrifies them. Folks, coaches leave, players leave. Don't you think it's strange watching Oklahoma media, the governor and fans react? They're trying to fool us. It's not that he left. It's the way he left. Well, it's the same way Brian Kelly left Notre Dame for LSU. And Notre Dame fans have let go.

They left the same way. Why aren't Notre Dame fans reacting hostily toward Brian Kelly? Because they love the coaching staff they've assembled. They love the momentum. They love Marcus Freeman. It tells you something deeply troubling about Oklahoma. This thing rocked their world. You know, there's not a ton to do in Norman, Oklahoma.

Hell, there's not a ton to do in Oklahoma. So sooner football is the foundation for a lot of weekends. It's the foundation for a lot of state pride. And another power conference came in, another power program came in, and stole their coach. He upgraded, and it's an obvious upgrade. California has 150 division one players a year. Oklahoma has probably closer to 18 to 20.

It's an obvious one. The SEC, at best, Oklahoma will be a top three or four program. USC has always been when they get the right coach, the best program. It'll be much easier to access the college football playoff. But the reaction from Oklahoma has been so telling, I never thought I would see a top five program react so insecurely. I mean, the governor, politicians, naming freeways, the media, they just can't let it go. And I mean, you're Caleb Williams.

Where would you want to live? L.A. or Norman, Oklahoma? You're Lincoln Riley. The Dallas Cowboys wanted you. Where would you want to live? Manhattan Beach, California, or Norman Oklahoma? It's not a toughie. Kevin Durant left Oklahoma to go to a Northern California team.

Why? Silicon Valley, better ownership, more things to do. It's nothing against Oklahoma. But the highest end coaches have options. In the NFL, Lincoln Riley could get a job to tomorrow. Kevin Durant had options. There was a study done years ago, and it's fairly predictable, that, you know, people in smaller towns and people in the Midwest valued loyalty more than people on the coasts. And people on the coasts tend to be more transactional. They upgrade careers more

regularly. And that's sort of the lifestyle in California. It's understood. You upgrade all the time. And, you know, I think there are parts of the country where, let's be honest, the salaries are bigger on the coast. There's more Fortune 500 companies. There's more money on the coasts. Your Boston, D.C., New York, Miami, Los Angeles, San Francisco. And so it's not that people can't be loyal, but the options are more plentiful. And so it's sort of built in to coastal. culture is that you upgrade often. You don't live in a home for 40 years. You don't stay in a job for 40

years. And I think there are times that people from maybe the middle 35 states, middle 40 states, look at coastal people as elitists out of touch and less loyal. And I think, as Chris Rock, the great comedian once said, a man is as loyal as his options. And coastal cities have more options, economically, socially, and people upgrade more. I can tell you this. If Lincoln Riley left USC in five years for the chargers, people would completely understand. They would absolutely understand. There's no sense in Los Angeles that we own Lincoln Riley or his mind or how he views the football world. We welcome him in, like many Southern Californians do, a really talented person to elevate an experience, an entertainment experience for us. We don't think we own him. We don't

think it's a lifetime contract. If he had four or five super successful years, rebuilt the brand and the energy at USC, people would thank him. He'd leave. You cross your fingers and go find the next great coach. That's not the way it is at your Ohio states. People were deeply offended that Jim Harbaugh interviewed for an NFL job while coaching Michigan. It was offensive. People are deeply bothered by that.

It's just not the way coastal cities operate. When Pete Carroll was at USC in his last couple of years, his name was regularly mentioned among NFL jobs. Before the Seahawks job, the Miami Dolphins came after him. It was understood. He had built the biggest brand in college football. People here were not mad at Pete Carroll for leaving. People's number one concern was, how do we keep it rolling? But I just think there's a different sensibility on the coach.

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And Ed's a big, strong, tough guy. But I think one of the things that makes him incredibly embraceable is that when Ed was hurt and it was deep and he let people know. But true to form, this is Ed. He just put his head down and just burrowed his way. He Joe burrowed his way to LSU and won a national championship. And I want to start with that, Ed, because that's when I was introduced to you. And you were really key, a centerpiece in Pete Carroll's dynasty.

And it was a complicated. USC's always been a little political and it was complicated. But when you didn't get that job and you're driving home that day, where were you? Did you think, the hell am I doing in this business? I want to go back to the NFL. How bad did it hurt? Where were you at that day when you got that news? Well, we went to the airport.

I got on a plane and I was really, really mad, really upset. I told my team by them. They were all crying. Why are you leaving? You're like the daddy I never had. This was my team. The USC and LSU was the places I wanted to be. And I finally got the opportunity.

I spent 11 years here. I love Los Angeles. The people love me. One person did. And that's just the way it was. It doesn't the way it was. So we get on a plane. I'm sitting on the side of my wife.

And I'm really upset. And she goes, it's going to be okay. And I look at her and I said, besides the day I buried my daddy, this is the worst day in my life. And here's what she said. She says, she's a very spiritual person. No, it's not.

God has a. a better plan. I looked at her. I said, it better be good. You can see, $16 million contract. Who, pull out of my hand. You know, you know, so it. But you know what?

I went on, regrouped. And you know what? Okay, let's go. Let's battle. LSU is a perfect fit for you. I think you, you, I've said this on the air before. you look you look you talk you sound you recruit you feel like the lSU football coach but we know it's the SEC we know the pressure's insane you had told i think urban mire told me this couple years ago

that that you had told her and you said hey joe burrow that was bigger than people think we they were getting on me i had to win some damn games you know ed before you landed joe burrow i remember it was your first or second year and you had a really really tough loss against kind of a not a big program. Go back to that. Did you think you were going to get fired early at LSU? You know,

when we lost to Troy, Troy. You can fill it. And we got on a plane to go to Florida. I pushed my to go to Florida. We've got to win. I don't know what would happen if I'd have lost to Florida. Be honest with you. I don't know if they're fired me. I don't know if I

have made it. But we beat Florida. And then we continued and we started with us football games. And that took the pressure off right there. So take me to the Joe Burrow recruitment. When is the first time you saw

tape of Joe Burrow? This is an amazing story. We have a spring game. You know, spring games on TV, okay? And I get back. All quarterback play wasn't very good. And my son was playing in the back in East State.

It plays quarterback. said, Daddy, we need a quarterback. So I know. He said, I was watching Ohio State's straight game. Joe Burrow is transferred. We need him.

I don't know who Joe Burr is. So I had a coach of my staff meet Bill Bush, who was very instrumental against Joe Todd School. Bill Bush was there at Ohio State and you, the family. I went to a bit, I said,

hey, listen, Joe Burroughs fixed the transfer. He says, Coach, If we get Joe Burrow, we're going to college football players. So, yeah, so we got him to visit. You'll love this. He didn't want to talk to me. He didn't want, no, no, he said, coach, you got this recruiting game. I don't need to hear it, coach.

That's not what I'm here for them. I want to talk football and I'm going to eat crawfish. We had a football meeting and we had some of his plays that he ran at Ohio State. And we started asking questions, why, what, where, offense, defense, defense, why are you doing this, why we call it this. And it took me five minutes to realize there were six people in the room, clearly to me. Joe Burrow was the smartest guy in that room, off the charts.

Smartest football player I've ever been around. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's interesting, Ed. He has a good arm, but not huge. He moves, but he's not super athletic.

I said when I first saw him, I thought he was a little Tony. Romo. He had a little gunslinger. He was pretty twitchy. But, but, you know, he's not Mahomes or Josh Allen Arm. What is it about him besides the brain power? Athletically, what, what is it that makes him so special? Well, it's his intangibles. It's his guts. Does work ethic. His focus. All those things that I'm talking about off the charts with Joe Barrow. You know what? He's there the same day now. He's a little bit more athletic than you think. When he first came, I said, well, he doesn't throw the ball as strong as I thought he would. You know what I'm saying? But he's so smart and he knows what to do with the football.

And he can extend plays with his feet. And he's tough. The guy can take a hit. You hit him. All the quarterbacks, another old quarterback, you hit him. You know, they might want to get out the game a little bit. Joe's like a linebacker. You hit him. He gets pissed and he wants to go for him. So the year before you won the national title, Ohio kid comes down there, you were a good team. I remember he played a game against somebody and he got kind of the shit kicked out of him. Maybe he had been Auburn. He got hit, went out, came back. Was there a moment in the year before he left?

Was there a moment when you felt it all coming together and said, okay, I mean, because it's obvious, coach. Ohio to LSU is a wholly different world. Was there, did you have a moment the junior year that you said, guys, this is it? Yeah. First of all, we played Georgia in the number two team in the country. And we beat them pretty good. And we went to a four down and won five times. Joe had some quarterback's leagues.

He made some great plays. That was a big win for us. Okay. That started the momentum right there. But we played in a Fiesta Bowl and Joe Burr took a hit. It was a blindside hit. I called for Miles Burnett to get in. Joe is on the ground.

And Joe gets up and he says, F that coach, I'm not coming up the game. We're now 14 points. He stays in the game. We scored the next three series. We beat UCF and we went 10 games, which was a momentum for a foul football team. I remember when I was Pete Carroll,

when we won 10 games and went to the Orange Bowl. Yes. It reminds me of that year. I said, you know what? We've got us a team now. Maybe next year we can win. You know, the SEC is the best football conference. It cares the most.

They pay the most. But it's interesting. I said this when Lincoln Riley took the job at USC. I said, it's really about getting into the playoff. It's a hell of a lot easier from USC than it will be Oklahoma, which is at, best, the third or fourth best SEC program. And here's what I, Ed, I said this. Oklahoma's

got that spread. And they don't have the interior bodies of Georgia, LSU, Auburn, or Bama. I wonder how well they're going to do in a couple years in the SEC. What's your thoughts on that? Well, I think they're going to have to check. We play them. And we handled it pretty good.

And we could have scored Andre, I think. And I got a lot of respect to Lake DeRonna in Oklahoma. but they're going to have to get bigger and physical. This is a physical league. And if you can't stand toe to toe to somebody, it's going to be a long night. California has some good defensive linemen, but I don't know if it's the diet. I don't know what the heck it is.

Like the South Texas, bigger kids. If you coached USC tomorrow, do you have to leave the state to get your horses, your big guys? Yeah. You know, it just so happens that when we're at you, We had the Wild Bush to. Think about this. They're there in Los Angeles.

We had Kenichi Udisi, first round draft choice. Nobody knew about him. He weighed like 350 pounds. Mike Patterson. Yes. Played in the league for 10 years, probably the best defensive lineman in the last 10 or 12 years at USC. Sean Cody, who was the number one defensive player in the country, USA, today.

So I do believe, Colin, that maybe that was a special time. But you got to dig. You got to get some diamonds in the rough. You're right. They're more abundant in the South. That's why I love recruiting down there. I mean, look at the draft. Look at those big guys.

You can play anybody in the SEC Vanderbilt. They can have a number one drafts rush on a defensive line in a heartbeat. There are players all over the place. When you look at Lincoln Riley, I don't doubt he can dominate the Pac-12. I don't doubt at all that USC with the Trague. transfer portal is going to get really good, really fast. I don't doubt the speed and the offense he'll create.

When you look at it and you look at his staff, honestly, how long do you think it will take? The transfer portal adds a whole different ballgame. Yeah, you get, you know, USC like Coach Carroll, man, we turn that thing around fast. Second year. So you're thinking around fast, but you've got to get players, man. You got to get players. You got to have a great coach. I haven't studied Lincoln's

coach just that. But I would eventually say, I don't know who the defensive coordinator is, but you're going to have to play defense. You've got to play defense. I know he scores a lot of points, but you've got to play defense and have a strong offensive and defensive line. What if USC

called you someday and said, Ed, you made your money, we know it, you got the bag, but we want you to come here, be the assistant coach, and just be a voice in Southern California. What would you say? You know, I'd be open to it. I'm open to anything. I love Los Angeles.

They know I love USC. But I mean, 11 years here. And so I'd be definitely open to that. I'm young. I'm 60 years young. I'm in good shape. I've got a lot left. I do believe that I'm going to coach again.

I want to take the year off to kind of see what I do. But yes, I'd be open to that. No question. I think you'd be really good in broadcasting. I think you're so authentic on the air. Is that something that interests you? Yes, definitely. I definitely want to do that.

I want to try. When you look at the state of football, Ed, and I see it in pro, maybe more than college. But let's say you get another job in three years. If you look at the NFL, Ed, the last four coaches left were offensive. Every single team that made the playoffs in the NFC had an offensive coach. The best quarterback won every single division. as a defensive guy, do you feel handcuffed?

How do you look at football today compared to, you know, the USC days or when you got into it with Jimmy? Yeah, it's basketball on grass. It is. They're going to score points. I hate to say it. If you play great defense and hold him to 28 points,

you're probably going to win every game. Yeah, I'll go. Used to be 13 to 10. So to me, if I'd be a head coach again, my number one higher would be a great, offensive quality. And it's got to be the spread. I mean, if you try pro-style, you don't

score enough points, you've got to be physical. But the spread office, I think, is here to stay for a while. Yeah. So you're a young guy. You're in great shape. You feel good about yourself. When you look at the transfer portal, here's what bothers me. I'm for kids making money and moving.

But, Ed, there's no damn guard rails. You could lose your right tackle because you didn't start him, and in week four, he could leave. What do you make of the transfer portal? Yeah, I think it's wild right now. It's really wild and it's really loose, and it's player-friendly. And you spend so much time recruiting a player. You spend a lot of money. You go there, and all of a sudden, he's going to leave.

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Right. It's happened. And look, you know, I do believe, again, that this has to be governed somehow. There's got to be some stipulation on how you do it. Right now is the Wild Wild West. and the people with the most money are going to get the recruits. I'll tell you what, NIL, if you offer a kid a million dollars and I'm recruiting a kid and I have a great program

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You know, I always, point to the linebacking crew you had that Clay Matthews couldn't start. Remember you had Maluga, Rivers, a Cushing, and then Clay Matthews couldn't start. He goes to the NFL and wins NFL defensive

rookie of the year. Clay Matthews was a walk on. I got him to walk home. Pete Carroll called me when I was out of old miss. He said, coach, you know, I can believe this Matthews guys. He's growing. I think he's a heck of a player.

And his brother came with us And his brother wasn't very big, great young man. I think he's having a lot of success. But I was involved in that. I couldn't believe the way that Clay grew up and what a great player he was. That's USC.

Pete Carroll did a great job of recruiting. The guy knew what he was Zoom. What did you learn from Pete? A lot of stuff. To compete. To wake up, he had positive attitude. The energy that he had, come ahead and let's go.

We'd hit 14 schools in Los Angeles. We were rolling, man. And he didn't stop. Every day, Pete Carroll was the same. But the one thing that I don't know if people really know this about Pete, he's a disciplinarian. He don't put up with nothing now. You know, he's the happy-go-lucky guy.

He makes everybody feel good. But when we went watch the tape, every time we had practice, coach he would go eat, he had media. He'd come back in that tape. was on and boy if your player didn't do the right thing you felt like he made you feel that's not in a way of yelling screaming but you felt like you were loyal to people and you didn't want to let him down and he he tried to fix everything his team's got better as the season went along because his knowledge of football you know it's interesting you said that you were so much better a coach at

lSU than old miss because you look learned. If you got another job, what would you take from Ole Miss and go, okay, I'm not going to, or from LSU and say, okay, I'm not going to do that again. Yeah. You know, I think the hiring of coaches and really, you know, sometimes there were great coaches I hire or sometimes, you know, they didn't, you know, did it pan out. I'm a get after a guy, a recruiter, I coach the defensive line on the team. I, myself personally, I need great offense and defensive quarter to now. Do I know yet. I never called a play. So I think the strongest

I would be would be with a great offensive coordinator, a great defensive coordinator. Sometimes I had it, sometimes I did. So, your career is pretty amazing. You were with Jimmy Johnson when you were very early, and Jimmy tells great stories about you. I mean, he really does.

He tells fascinating stories. If I said to you, give me something about Jimmy. You talked about Pete. Give me something about Jimmy Johnson that he taught you. Let me say this. you the first day that I walked on that football field the University of Miami, I learned how to coach. That was it. I felt it. I saw it. One of the greatest, the greatest on the field coach, him and his staff, that I ever seen. Those practices at the University of Miami were excellent. Those players practice hard. Those coaches coached hard.

I just loved the intensity. I had never been around anything like that in my life. the first day I learned on the coach for Jimmy Johnson. I love being with him every day. He was so smart. He was so intense. Now, look, we was like in a shotgun office. And coach, we'd go work out. Everybody go work out.

He'd have his hair fix. You know, he'd have to have his hair fix out. And he'd walk in, we'd be ready for practice. And if coach would walk down, you could see him walk down in the home. And if he'd be smiling in a good mood, you'd keep on walking. But boy, if he had that look in the face, Man, I took that first door I could to the left. I didn't want to pass him in the hall.

But he had that the persona about him that everybody followed and everybody respected. And you didn't want to upset Jimmy, just like Pete. I was going to say, what you're talking about with both of them is sort of a presence. You could sense it. When they walked into a room, you could feel it. Yes, no question. Both of. And they were both the boss.

You wanted to be part of it. You wanted to be at work. You know you was getting better. You knew your teams were going to win. You saw the confidence in them every day. And the work that they did on a daily basis every day is where I learned how to be head coach. Who is, and you're known as a top 10 college football recruiter ever. You may be top three.

Who's the toughest guy to ever recruit against and why? You know, I think the tossing the point. on at the end. The guy was phenomenal. Tosh Lepoy. Yeah, he took on and he came in the pack 10, the pack 12, whatever it was back there. Yeah, man, he started. He was a good recruiter. I remember him, Kevin Steele in the south. You go against Kevin Steele. You better be ready. He's going to coach. He's going to stay on top of him. But I think if you look at the greatest recruiter ever, you got to say it's next year. Phenomenal, phenomenal, phenomenal recruiter. The guys relentless. Look at his team, the guys that talented. I would say Nick Saban is the greatest

recruiter in college football history. Is it the salesman part? Is it his homework? I mean, I'm sure there were times that you walked into a house an hour after Nick was there. What makes him great? I think he's relentless. I think it's evaluation of talent. He knows the team that he wants to choose. Look at his team. They look like NFL teams. And I do believe that he's relentless on the phone. phone calls. I do believe that the parents love him. I've been in meetings with him at the SEC. The guy's very intelligent. He can be nice. You know, you put on that charming talk. I talked to Pete Jenkins, you know, the mothers love him. And the players know what are going to win. And I talked to Doug Maron. Doug Maron and I was at Syracuse. He goes, make no doubt. The reason

everybody goes to Alabama is because of Nick Saylor. In all your years of recruiting, sometimes a kid's not a five-star guy. Sometimes he's a two or a three-star guy. Is there a player? Could have been at USC. Could have been at Ole Miss. Could have been at LSU. That you fought for.

The staff didn't love him and you said, I see something. And he became your proudest recruiting moment. Mike Patterson. Here's the story. A coach hockey was here and I was on the staff. Mike was 5-11. at the best.

Coach Hackett, you know, from the NFL, wanted a defense coordinator, one in the Donald Russell, 6, 3, 6, 4. Then he won Mike. Okay, so Pete comes, and we started with recruiting together, and go, Eddie, we need some defensive linemen. You got any?

I said, coach, I have one. He's a little sharp. He goes, I don't care about short, can he play? I said, yes. So Mike had some qualification issues. And I told him, I said, Mike, whatever you do now,

you better get eligible. Yes, sir. So you remember the California, Texas Saw a store game? Yes. All right? So Pete never saw Mike. He just trusted me.

Mike looked like he weighed about 350 pounds. He was getting double team during the game and knocked off the ball. He was so out of shape. My phone was ringing. Pete Carroll, Pete Carroll. And normally,

normally I'd answer the first ring. And my wife, Back then says, you're not going to answer it? I said, I know it's about about the third call. Yes, Coach. Eddie, what are you doing? I said, Coach, trust me. Trust me.

Just trust me. Eddie, he better be able to play. So the next day, I had Mike Patterson at 6 o'clock in the morning on the USC field, running. Me and him, just me and him. Got dressed. I said, Mike, what happened? He said, coach, you told me all I had to do is get out to me.

I went home. I said, you know what? Those coaches told me Mike's going to do exactly what you tell them. I didn't talk to Mike about getting shaken. I didn't talk to Mike about anything. I talked to Mike about getting up. You know what? He did.

So it told me something about the young man. So the next day is a Monday, all the freshman report. And we have a big fourth quarter deal at six o'clock. the morning, Mike passes up. We get in the staff role. Now, I'm the recruiting coordinator assistant and coach. I sit right near Pete. This is what he said.

We will never recruit a guy like Mike Patterson again. And all the staff is coming as a coach. I understand. Mike Patterson will be a player. Mike Patterson lost weight. got in shape I think he was a three-time All-American first round draft choice

played in the NFL for 10 years graduated from USC and he had to work hard in academics Mike Patterson was a great young man what the greatest young man that I ever recruited

and I was so proud I was just happy he turned out to be a player Pete was mad at me man isn't that great you know what but it I will say this. Sometimes, Ed, young people just need one person to believe in him. That's right. And you know

what happened? I believe that might, but you know what happened? I gained Pete Carroll's trust. As a coach, I got it. Trust me, he's going to be a player. Trust me, he's going to be a player. And you know, as a head coach, if assistant coach told me that and I saw everything turn out the way to be, you gained more trust, you gained more value with the head coach. What a pleasure. Ed, George are on. I could sit and talk to you for three hours a day. I love recruiting. I always have. I'm totally into it. It's just a pleasure. You're a busy guy. And I'm going to see you at the volume party. I want you to stop by. The food and the drinks are really good. And we may just have a spot for you in our podcast network. Ed. We pay pretty good, you know. We pay pretty good rates. I'm open, man. Hey, I'm open recruit. Come get me. Hey, let me see your recruiting skills. It won't take much. Great seeing you, coach.

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