The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast - Hour 2: NFL Draft Reaction: Bears land Caleb Williams & Rome Odunze, Falcons-Michael Penix

Episode Date: April 26, 2024

Colin Cowherd, John Middlekauff and Danny Parkins discuss the first round of the NFL Draft. What are realistic expectations for Caleb Williams and the Bears in his rookie season. Was Rome Odunze the right pick for the Chicago Bears at #9. Can Bears make the playoffs? Colin, John and Danny react to the NFL draft and give their takes about your favorite NFL teams pick. #Volume #Herd #3AndOutSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Borderline is kind. The problem is with the casinos in the books because he actually wins. He comes from a math family. So, Danny, first of all, I was surprised. I thought they would go defense, Danny, with the pick because the defensive coach, coaches have compound the table and kind of get usually, you know, they make two to three times what a coach does. But Ryan Poles has so much steam now, so much momentum, Iber Fluse doesn't. So my take by getting Romodunze, that's a Ryan Poles call.

That's my take yours. 100%. When Ryan Poles was here, when he got hired, people were asking them about team building philosophy and he said remember where I came from and that's Kansas City because he got criticism for his first draft where he didn't have a first round pick taking Kyler Gordon and Jaquan Brisker with his two second round picks and I criticized them for not taking a receiver in George Pickens with the Jaquan Brisker pick and he said remember where I came from which he was basically saying I didn't think anyone there was the right

guy to take, but I'm not going to not support the quarterback. He traded for Claypool. It didn't work. He trades the number one pick. He wants DJ more attached to it. It does work. He trades a fourth round pick for Keenan Allen. It's one of the most consistent players in the NFL. And then the ninth pick overall comes up and he makes what I thought was the obvious pick if he was on the board. And he gives Joe Burrow his Jamar Chase. These guys have a rookie contract timeline that are completely aligned. I know Burrow and Chase were in back-to-back drafts, but the idea is the same to get Caleb Williams a weapon that he can grow and develop with. I'm ecstatic. This is modern offensive football finally coming to Chicago for the first time in my lifetime.

Pretty nuts. John and I were talking about this. When is the last rookie quarterback that got this? This is insane. Gerald Everett's a throw in. He was the Chargers best tied in, highly productive. Well, we've never seen it for a number one overall pick quarterback. We've definitely never seen it for that. Justin Herbert had a very good situation in L.A. with Kenan Allen and Mike Williams. And he was supported with Austin Echler and Corey Lindsley at center and Rishon Slater at tackle. And he set the rookie record for passing touchdowns with 31. So we have never seen it for a number one overall pick to have this type of nest to come into and develop. And And if I may for a second, because,

Colin, you and I talked about this on the show about like how Chicago's a place where they've never had offensive success and quarterbacking goes to die and all of that stuff. And that's cynicism that Bears fans is well earned. The amount of luck that led to this moment is just staggering. Week 18, two years ago, the Bears needed the Texans to beat the Colts. and Davis Mills led a 14-play drive where he converted a fourth and 10 and a fourth and 20 on the same drive

and then a two-point conversion to give them the number one pick in the Bryce Young draft. They then trade the number one pick to the Panthers. The Panthers then have to be so bad and they lost four of those games by only three points to give them the number one pick. to be in this position to get Caleb Williams. So the stars are finally aligning in Chicago to be set up at quarterback and have a good offense

and potentially a great offense for literally the first time in my lifetime with any consistency. So Minnesota trades up 23 to 17. Jacksonville slides back. Minnesota selects Dallas Turner. So 10 minutes ago, John and I sort of guessed. We predicted we would go on a defensive run here. So since Latu Latu goes to Indy, Byron Murphy, the small but explosive defensive tackle, a longhorn goes to Seattle, it's a real need.

Minnesota smartly moves up. So, you know, Minnesota moved up just a little to get J.J. McCarthy. Boy, this division's got, this division's got good personnel. This division is freaking ridiculous. I'm sure. You can do a pro bowl, offensive pro bowl with the NFC North that can beat the league. I seriously believe that. Well, Danny, that's my thing with the Bears.

I mean, we're all in love. I mean, how could you not be what they've done? It's not the Packers, we know if that quarterback keeps playing, they're going to be good. You'd assume their defense can't be as shitty as it's been. And the Lions, honestly, should have beat the 49ers. It should have been the Super Bowl. So it's, you could have an excellent improved team and still be the third best team in that division.

Very rarely. I mean, it could, it could be a 10-win team gets third place. in this division. It could be three playoff teams that come out of the north. Honestly, I think Minnesota and Chicago will battle for a wildcard spot. I think Detroit still has the best roster. I think Green Bay's is young, not as good as Detroit's, but it's pretty damn interesting offensively. The Packers defense never delivers. I couldn't say the last year, I thought great defense. They just doesn't. The Aaron Rogers year, it was pretty good, but Green Bay does offense better than anybody. They can't get the defense, right?

they draft it in the first round historically almost every year. So Dallas Turner, that was their name. Do you know what I wonder with polls? And I wonder if polls may say this tonight in his press conference because you hit on the Claypool situation. I mean, they missed badly on character.

And like you said, he came from around Ballard and Andy. I mean, they value character pretty high with their high end guys. I wonder if they would have taken Rome over neighbors. Like Rome was the second wide receiver on their board. It wouldn't shock me with that. at all because his character from what I was told is elite. Yeah, Brock Hewer

told me that he's one of the two favorite players that he's seen at Washington and being around the program in about 20 years. And you know what's crazy too? They kind of telegraphed it, not the Bears, but Caleb. Like it came out the other day that Tom Pelliserro had it, that Roma Dunzee was working out with DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, with Caleb Williams throwing them the ball. Caleb and Rome were on the same flight from L.A. to Detroit for the draft. Caleb put on Instagram a couple hours before the draft how much he liked Romo Dunez's outfit.

So I think it might come out because they've been doing install with Caleb Williams. I mean, this has been locked up for eight weeks that Caleb's going to be a bear. It wouldn't shock me at all if Ryan Poles admits that he asked Caleb Williams for input on who he wanted them to take at number nine. And so, yeah, the character part for polls, sure,

But it would not surprise me at all if Caleb Williams had at least a say in Roma Dunes A being a bear. So I would have told this by multiple scouts and GMs in the league that this is the most talented top of a draft in years. Brock Bowers goes 13. The best run blocking offensive tackle in years goes 14 to the Saints. Byron Murphy goes 16. Dallas Turner, who was considered a top eight pick goes 17. But guys, for years, Danny, I've always been told by scouts a good draft. You'll have 17 to 18 first round players.

And then it's Death Valley. I was told this year it was 19 to 20. God, I'm amazed. My guess is Cincinnati's next guys. I think they go wide receiver. You got to defend. Oh, no, they went and got a Marius Mims. This is the first pick I have real questions with.

not a ton of starts. If I, listen, somebody's going to bust in the first 18 picks. This one scares me. I'm going to pull it out there. Multiple guys will bust in the first 18 picks. I mean, don't you think this is maybe Joe Brough needs to be healthy in order for us to be good?

Like with Joe Burrow was, the Bengals love the high weight speed guys too. You know, this guy's got eight starts or whatever, a little bit of a fly, you know, I wouldn't say a flyer because it comes from Georgia, but pretty risky.

But that's kind of their history. they take some risks I mean yeah but when Burrow is healthy they win for sure win big so I mean I know everybody apparently you know Hendrickson wants to be traded and T. Higgins wants to be traded

and guys are getting out of there because you can't pay everybody but I'll roll the dice with a healthy Joe Burrow and a healthy Jamar Chase and so if this pick helps keep them upright that's not the worst thing in the world the run on offensive players was just remarkable

Like we knew it was going to be the top seven. We're like, oh, maybe it'll be the top nine. But what? It was the top 14, right? Top 14 picks. You have to wonder if this is going to start being a trend. You know, with the way college football is much more offensive. I mean, Ohio State, a historic program is an offensive program now.

Alabama now with Dubour going to beat lean more offense. George is probably the last of a dying breed. Even Brian Kelly, look at him, Jaden Daniels, Malik Nassau. I mean, it's just, I wonder if this is kind of where we're headed as a, as a sport. There's two quarterbacks. Shadour Sanders will go very high next year. I do think Cam Ward at Miami's a fascinating player. Saw a ton of them at Washington State.

He is really electric. There's a third quarterback. I think is the Georgia kid. I think is he eligible. He's okay. I don't, I worry about Georgia guys. They're going to keep an eye on him. They literally play with like, it's 28 NFL guys.

You know, it's like I just don't. It's like J.J. McCarthy. Jesus, did you ever trail? Did you ever not have a third and two? I mean, when was third and 14? I mean, that's like the league. I mean, J.J. McCarthy went a half without being asked to throw a football. He was Jimmy Garoppolo of college football.

There's a stat that he only threw the ball. And I'm, this is top of the head. Like he only threw the ball on third down like 34 times. The whole season or something. I looked at the stat and I'm like, oh, no, that's not the NFL. That's, that's like, well, I mean, Alabama quarterbacks, Georgia quarterbacks historically and that Michigan team, when you get 18 pro players, like, that's why I've defended Michael Pennix, Danny, with Michigan. I'm like, do you know how many good quarterbacks look bad during that 15 year Alabama and Nick Saban defensive run? Like, Pennix was great.

I watched him twice against Oregon. Like, he was exceptional. Michigan beat CJ Stroud. So like I'm I'm going to give you Michigan. You were overwhelmed. I'm okay with that. The Pennix thing. I'm sure you guys talked about it a ton.

It's obviously the biggest surprise pick of the draft so far. Brian Baldinger said to me on the show, he was like, I hear Atlanta's taking a QB and that they love Pennix. This was like 10 days ago. And I thought it was the dumbest thing I had ever heard. Because they gave Kirk Cousins 100 million. The last three first round picks are skill position.

guys, the defense is pretty good, but go try to win a division and get a piece for right now. But I wonder if they're saying, we are good. Cousins is going to make us better. And so we're not going to be picking in the top 10 for the next couple of years. So Michael Pennix will learn from Kirk Cousins and we'll have an elite quarterback prospect, learn from Cousins. And then they'll never have to pick in the top 10 again for the next decade. Denny, basically they're saying, we're going to do a Green Bay Packer.

We're just going to, this is who in our lifetime. They just did with the old guy. Yeah. Because Panx, I thought, was ready to play day one because of his age, but they're going to make him sit for two years at least. My guess is he sits for a year. You think so? Well, a hundred million guaranteed for cousins.

I know, but I know, but they're not paying anybody offensively. I mean, that's why they went in free agency and can get a Rondale more. or they can go get players. They don't have, I mean, Jared, the defensive linemen's making money. They're not paying. I mean, they had so much money for Kirk. They're not paying very many people. I wonder if that owner got so scarred after watching the quarterback play these last two years

and says under no circumstances after dealing with Matt Ryan for a decade, are we ever dealing with this again? So not only was he behind it, I wonder if he kind of pushed for it. Like just double down on this position because watching Desmond Ritter last year. always have a succession plan. That's interesting. That's possible. That would be an ownership thing. And Rahim Morris, I was telling Colin, I think two years ago had a front row seat. Stafford went down and the whole season got derailed. And now Cousins coming off in Achilles. Now it's expensive Achilles, $100 million. But still. Danny, we said this. Rahim was a head coach, got fired. Why? Quarterback. He goes to L.A. He becomes Sean McVeigh's best friend. McVeigh is in his ear saying, dude, you're going to get another job. But let me just. tell you, we upgraded off a Super Bowl quarterback. You cannot be good enough or deep enough at quarterback. And I do think Raheem is one of these, you know, these defensive coaches wear me out.

But I do think Rahim, I've been told, I mean, he is quick. He is also kind of a progressive. He's not one of these like, you know, I watched Pittsburgh Steelers offense sometime. I'm like, can you guys run motion? I mean, what, it looks like I'm watching the NFL network in the 80s. It's like there are these defensive coaches, Pete Carroll. I'm like, can you? can you get an offensive line right, Pete? McDermott, they couldn't get a run game for seven years. Rahim's not that guy. He's got a little bit, I'm trying to,

Damico Ryan's is the same. He's a defensive coach coming from an offensive culture. And I think it matters. I think Kyle Shanahan, Demiko comes out and says, I get the league. And I think Raheim Morris says, I get the league. I'm with McVeigh. Those guys, by the way,

has anybody on McVeigh's tree not worked yet? Right. Which is, I mean, it's why I wanted the bears to fire Iber Fluse and hire someone better than Shane Waldron, although he is saying kind of, he's on the tree as well. He's an old passing game coordinator there. Offense is the way of the league. And obviously, if you hit it quarterback, it's never a bad pick. It's just a shocking allocation of resources with to draft the old quarterback with the injuries in terms of a draft prospect. when you just signed the old quarterback coming off of the big injury.

This is a very unconventional thing, at least with Jordan Love, it had worked for the franchise before, and they thought Rogers was done. But then Rogers shocked him and won a couple of MVP's. Kirk Cousins hasn't played a game for the Falcons. And they drafted his replacement. Okay. Danny Parkins has a book, Pipeline to the Pros. It's outstanding.

Also, Danny Parkins and Spiegel, it's Chicago. It's a big radio hit. I can't believe we got you. It's 917. You have a family and young children. Colin, I'm in Detroit. It's 1017. I'm in Detroit to see the Bears get Caleb Williams and Romo Dunez.

I left my 4-year-old and 2-year-old to my wife in Chicago. I'm here for the party, my man. Colin, the Bears just won the 2007 Super Bowl tonight. Come on. I'm texting Nick Wright, taunting him, that there's no shame in Patrick Mahomes losing to time. I'm Brady and Caleb Williams and Super Bowl. Okay?

I'm here as long as you, listen, if you guys want to get back to the 20s of the draft, I'm good to go. But my God, thank you for having me on. But yeah, trust me. Okay, one more. I got nothing to do. Danny, we're going to keep you for one more pick because this is great. And by the way, and I've said this before with Danny,

he is so talented at what he does. And Nick Wright introduced me to him years ago. And he and Nick have this poker. brain that they can do math very quickly in their head. And so I say this, as we build out our gambling vertical at the volume, Danny's going to be a free agent. He's going to be like, Danny's going to be, he's going to be Kirk Cousins, is that he's a nice guy. And, you know, people are going to say, well, you know, Danny Parkins, and then you're going to look up and he's going to have 42 touchdowns and seven picks. And he's going to go 42 and 8. How were you this year?

the way with your picks. I started 15 and O against the spread on the air in the NFL documented. True story. Started 15 and O against the spread on the air. Jason McIntyre is on a heater on NBA. I think he's 11 and 1. Oh my God. It's the greatest feeling in the world when you feel like you're in the zone.

You feel so much smarter than you are. And I like had our social media guy cut the whole thing together and put it out. I'm like, I'm not getting nearly enough attention or going 15 and 0. And then I promptly went 0 and 6. Okay. Jared verse. I told you John Middlkoff, Jared verse to the Rams. So this is a position of need.

Yeah. And I had said this earlier. I was on the air today when Diana Rusini said the Rams were thinking of moving up. And I said it's got to be Brock Bowers or Jared verse. I knew they liked Jaredverse a lot. So I watched them at Florida State. Now, the competition wasn't as good as the SEC, but I thought he was more dominant than when I, Dallas Turner. That was my take. Now, he wasn't late to the UCLA kid. That kid's just

best pass rush on the draft. But this is a real position of need. So now they have a second and two thirds. They're going to, they're going to, they want a running back a receiver to defensive tackle. So Jared Versa actually watched some of because Florida State was a pretty good football team. This kid starts day one opposite of young who they picked up last year from Tennessee. So the Rams had two third round picks last year. They both hit on the defensive line. They go back to the defensive line. Start with you, John. Thoughts on this.

Well, they lost Aaron Donald, so you need to get some push in the pocket. The other thing is losing Aaron Donald. I mean, they were right there with Detroit easily could have won the playoff game. Think who you got to play. The Niners, Kyle Shanahan Purdy. You got Ben Johnson, Jared Gough, and the Lions. Danny's Caleb Williams and the Bears.

Jordan Love. you know, DAC and Jalen Hertz, all those guys besides Jared Gough are relatively mobile. So this makes sense. I mean, this was a guy, I would say halfway through the season when Florida State was riding high, was talked about as a top 15 pick. Now he ends up going, what, 19, so it's not too far off. But I do get a little nervous. And again, maybe it's old school, like the transfer portal, whatever guys transfer.

But this guy didn't go from Miami to Florida State or Texas to Florida State. He went from Albany. He's good. He's a power rusher. The other thing with power rushers, you know, it's just, you can't throw every offensive tackle back into the quarterback.

Speed usually translates. Now, there are good power rushers, but like that's his thing. He is not like getting around guys. So it's just something to keep an eye on. Now I give the Rams credit that they hit on a lot of picks. And this is,

you know this Sean McVeigh's first ever first round pick? He's been there since 2017. It's 2024. That's our first ever first round pick? Well, less needs that F them picks. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. The thing with verse that worried me a bit is what you just alluded to there at the end,

like the straight power rusher. And he's old. I think he's over two years older than Dallas Turner. He's two years older than Latu and Turner. So like he was kind of a man among boys, like pushing around 19 year old sophomores. So you can't do that in the NFL. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encourage. It's the enhanced games.

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draft. 1718. This is 19. Verse. I didn't think, I thought Mims would be closer to the borderline because I think once you get to the 19, 2021, for instance, Brian Thomas is available. Pittsburgh, lost Deontay Johnson to Carolina. I think they're going to look, they've done a great job historically with wide receivers. And they got Russell Wilson, let's get in Pickens.

He's got backs, the tight end from Penn State. But Thomas is a classic example of a later first round pick where he doesn't have much of a route tree. He's just, you know, he's classic LSU guy. It's like just insanely hyper athletic.

Not a lot to the route trees and over the top guy, which Pittsburgh has done, I think Pittsburgh drafts receivers better than anybody in the league. And I think Green Bay finds good offensive linemen in middle rounds better than anybody in the league. So I'm going to go Brian Thomas as my guess here.

But I do believe this is the cutoff spot in terms of now these are players with flaws, holes. Or less positional value. It's like teams will start drafting guys to their comfortable playing at guard. Jackson Powers Johnson could be a center that goes here and it'll be good, but not a guy that you normally would say. in the first round. I think Xavier worthy, little predictions,

because I know I'm not staying out of you guys. I think Xavier Worthy's a chief. Like that guy just screams chief to me. They would try to recreate the Tyreek Hill speed. I mean, if he's there, but I just, they have a lot of needs. Protecting Mahomes is always good.

Obviously they lost need. They could take a corner. What about Pittsburgh right here? I mean, they just get Russell, deep ball. I mean, if he goes in front of Thomas,

it would surprise me a little bit just because he's like, I don't even know that he's, He's 170 pounds. He's tiny. He's tiny. But his highlights are incredible. Yes.

He will go over the middle. He is a tough 165 and the dude set the combine record for the 40-yard dash. I can't wait to see if he works in the NFL. He's fun, man. He's very fun. He's my favorite guy probably left on the board. The thing I can't get out of my head, we were talking about five minutes ago, when you sign a quarterback, especially an older quarterback, who's not like Aaron Rogers

he's named Kurt Cousins. His equity with the new fan base is going to be pretty small. So coming off the injury, what if he starts slow? No one in Atlanta is going to want, just like throwing penics. That's where it could get weird. And it could get weird fast if Cousins. And sometimes Cousins, he was playing really good before he got injured. But he's had a lot of just rough couple weeks stretches.

If it starts looking weird, he's not, you know, he's maybe 80, percent rehab from the injury. He's never moved great. That situation could just get weird fast. I get big picture why they did it, but internally in their locker room, you know, that's a risky move. It's a risky move. Here's something interesting. I think Pittsburgh goes and gets Brian Thomas, but Miami and Philly are after Pittsburgh. They do not need wide receivers. Jacksonville does at 23. So I guarantee you, Jacksonville is praying Pittsburgh doesn't take Brian Thomas because Miami and Pittsburgh are stacked. By the way, Dallas at 24. Okay, you guys talk. I'm knocking down. My eyes are, there's no fuzz here with me, no alcohol. I got a two minute bathroom break. Please.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Danny Parkins, John Middlecough. Yeah, do your thing. Do your thing. Give me sitting here right now halfway through tonight. give me over under wins right now in the Bears for everyone to be happy. Does it have to be above eight? Yeah, the numbers set at eight and a half. They won seven last year. They've added Keenan Allen, Gerald Everett, DeAndre Swift, Caleb Williams, and Romo Dunzei, and upgraded their offensive coaching staff.

They definitely should hit that over. I, man, C.J. Stroud's rookie season last year showed what's possible. And his team wasn't nearly as good as this Bears team. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. And Caleb is so unique, man. We've never seen a player be so comfortable with the spotlight. Because of NIL, because of USC, because of he's been basically created in a lab for this moment.

He said he woke up today and he felt like it was a normal day. He's just being the number one pick in the draft. Like he just, there's something about him that just he's not going to be overwhelmed by the moment. So I expect him to be the offensive rookie of the year. I expect him to break at least one of the Bears' records for futility. They've never had a 4,000 yard passer, the only team in the NFL. They're the only team of the NFL that's never a 30 touchdown quarterback. But I mean, honestly, if one of those falls as a rookie, you know, we'll make the argument that he's already the best quarterback in Bears franchise history.

So I do think they hit the over at eight and a half. That's where I think the bears are fascinating is you compare them, the Texans. I think everyone in the league and I don't know where you stand would take Domeko over Aberflus, right? Yeah, I mean, yes. And Bobby Floick clearly has a chance to be like a one of Shanahan, you know, minions. Yeah. Becomes a star offensive coordinator. So to me, the pressure, Poles has had one of the great 12-month stretches in like GM history.

and Caleb, even if he had an up and down rookie year, it's like he's going to get time, obviously. The pressure on this coaching staff is pretty immense. Yeah, Shane Waldron has about as big of a spotlight on him as any offensive coordinator could possibly have in the league, and he definitely is a more significant figure to the Bears than Matt Iber Flues, because what they can't do is do what they've done to the last two high-pick Bears quarterbacks. John Fox was the head coach when they drafted

Mitch Trubisky. Dow Loggins was the offensive coordinator. They fired him after his rookie year. So he had to have two systems in two years. Justin Fields, drafted by Matt Nagy, plays before they wanted to play him, fire him. Then they hire Luke Getsey as the head coach. Two systems in two years. There needs to be continuity. So if this season goes poorly and they blow it up and fire Matt Iberfluse, hopefully Caleb, Williams is so good that it's like Justin Herbert, who had to deal with, you know, Anthony Lynn and then different coordinators and, you know, Staley and Ellen Moore. And, you know, he, he's been coachproof,

but it wasted his rookie contract. So the bears need continuity. And they, that, that's like the big vulnerability for sure for where they're at right now. Danny, where are you in Detroit? It looks like you're in a studio. Where? I wish I was in a studio. No, I'm in a, I'm in an upstairs, uh, room. Our radio company rented out of Buffalo Wild Wings, and there's like five radio stations here. And I'm the only one that is currently on the air. So everyone else is around me kind of drinking and watching the draft. And I'm getting these takes off with middle cough and cowherd. Do you have a cocktail or food to assist you in this?

Yeah, I've had wings. And, you know, there's, I've maybe had, I maybe had a celebratory beer after the O'Donzee pick, but I didn't know how you felt about that. So I wanted to, you know, I wanted to keep it kosher. But yeah, it's possible that there's a, there's a beverage right here. I don't know. It's right. Yeah, absolutely. All right.

The Bears went from a couple years ago having nobody on offense to having DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, Roma, Dunezay, and Caleb Williams. Offensive tackle. Steelers have taken an offensive tackle. The Steelers have taken an offensive tackle. Fontno. Um, well, they had had, yeah, yeah, I mean, listen, their offensive line like Buffalo, I keep, I, I like the players and it never gels. So I'm, I'm like at some point, what do you make of it, John? You don't like the little. What do you do? To me, the Steelers, it's just, I guess they have a little more upside now at the quarterback position, but they, they feel like the same thing year in, year out, just different names, nine, 10 wins and one and done in the playoffs. Like, what, what is any difference this year? And, and. the Atlanta situation on steroids,

if Russell's boring, dinking and dunking, everyone's going to want to say Justin Fields get in there. And then the pressure of that, let's face it, he struggles throwing within the pocket. So unless Arthur Smith can rehabilitate him in six months, it feels like there's going to be a lot of hype around this franchise, but I don't expect to see much different, especially if Burroughs healthy, the Ravens,

even the Browns, they're, I mean, hell, they won 11 games. this year, half of them with Joe Flacco. So Fontno is the Fondonoh is the Husky, by the way, as you know. Yeah. I'm a Husky fan. He's, um, I thought more guard than tackle.

Well, he's just, he's a brawler. He's like the first steak. Yeah. My take was I thought the chargers if they moved down, if they moved down to like 11 with Minnesota, they would get the Oregon State kid. If they moved down further, I thought they would get this kid. He's classic hardball.

just hands on you, brawler, not, there's no finesse. He's just going to beat you up. But for the record, that's Mike Tomlin. That's very Pittsburgh Steeler. In that division, that's what they, that's what you order. David DeCastro years ago, remember from Stanford. Stanford guy, brawler. They like those type players.

Yeah, I mean, the Bears drafted a guy like that and they played him at right tackle in Darnel Wright last year. And he was great, all rookie right tackle. They drafted Broderick Jones last year in the first round. So this is back-to-back years with a first round pick at tackle. And Broderick Jones didn't start right away for them. So it'll be interesting. I would assume that they think that Broderick's ready to go to left tackle

and Fetano is going to be their right tackle right away. That would be my guess, but I guess he could slide inside to guard. No, he can. Absolutely. Yeah, he definitely can. But I wonder what they're drafting him to do. I mean, those are just two premium resources on offensive linemen in each of the last two years. You know, for years and years,

There was a real kind of knock that the PAC 12, you know, was kind of a second-tier conference. Let me tell you something. Jaden Daniels did play in it. You start looking, Panics goes eight, Roma-Dunze goes nine, Bo Nix goes 12. God, there's a lot of Pac-12 players this year. Indy gets one. Saints got one. This is one of the best.

This is one. Oh, the Saints at 14. You may have eight Pac-12 players. We said this, John and I are a lot of Pac-12 guys. You're more of the Big Ten guy. This was the best I'd seen the Pack 12 in 20 years. That's high praise. It's why we joined forces.

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And honestly, Big Ten football can be unwatchable. I'm a fan of good college football. So I will be a little fair weather because when I went to Syracuse, I saw 10 wins in four seasons in college football. So my wife went to Clemson. So I can tend to be a bit of a fair weather college football observer. Like I just want to watch the good games and the good teams.

But Minnesota, getting J.J. McCarthy and Turner in the city. They could have never dreamed of that. Crazy. They could have never dreamed of that. That's an unbelievable hall. Okay. This is Danny's book, Pipeline of the Pros. It's literally 1035 where he's at.

we do appreciate him stopping by. You're awesome. We're going to talk very soon. You're kicking butt. Go have another libation. And I really appreciate you stopping by. You didn't have to do this. And I really appreciate it.

I wanted to and I knew I was in Detroit and I felt like a Colin Cowher, John Middletoff production needed a presence from the team that got the A-plus quarterback wide receiver tan. him that's, you know, Caleb Williams says he wants eight Super Bowls. This is where this is the origin story of it happening. Okay, Miami went. Remember last year they fell apart physically on the defensive front. They get Chop Robinson, who again, a little bit of a flawed player, but tremendous upside. Chop Robinson to Miami, not a shock. By the way, now we're having a run on defensive players. You're going to see the Clemson corner. Wiggins here go pretty quick, I think. So chop Robinson

to Miami, Miami was a really good team late and they literally lost like four to five defensive players up right. They fell, it was a cluster injury. So this makes sense. John, your thoughts? Well, say this for James Franklin. He can't beat Ohio State or Michigan, but he sure can find NFL players high in the draft. You know, talent and recruiting is not James Franklin's issue. I mean, he gets blue chippers. Honestly, it's why a lot of Penn State guys get mad at him, because it's like, with all this talent we have, can we ever beat anyone that matters? Like, no one cares about beating Rutgers in Minnesota. I will say, though, if you're going to.

I always had this theory. That's why he's going to keep his job, though. Well, and the other thing is if you ever move off him, you know, Oklahoma's had like, remember when they got, what was the guy that missed, John Blake? But John Blake was an unbelievable recruiter. Stoops took his players and won a natty year two. Ron Zuck, unbelievable recruiter, leaves. I think it was Urban Meyer came in and just crushed.

If you're going to have a coach who maybe isn't the great X's and O's guy, get a great recruiter because the next guy comes in. So my takeaway is I think James has made Penn State relevant. And I think that's what Penn State is. If they ever move off him, the next guy is going to get like 16 NFL players. For sure. I mean, you could say it got easier with Harbaugh, even. The problem is Oregon, Washington, USC coming into the conference.

But yeah, Miami, let's face it. I've said over and over is that I would not give to us a massive contract. over the next couple months, I would play this out. If you can't win this division now, the bills got worse, the Patriots are in shambles, and the Jets are a ticking time bomb of a couple hamstrings that all of a sudden their season could get derail.

So to me, Miami, we've seen the last couple of years, same ship. Start fast, you know, peter out as it gets colder, you start playing the better teams. Let's face it, they weren't even close down the stretch playing the better quarterbacks. So I'm not that into them, Colin.

I don't know where you stand on the dolphins. Clearly, Mike is a good offensive mind, but I can't buy into the quarterback. And the defensive personnel, I mean, they just lost their best player to the Raiders. Yeah. So Danny Parkins, I want to thank him again for coming on the show.

What a blast that was. So great to get him to drop in with the greatest draft in league history by the Chicago Bears. What a moment for the Bears tonight. That's cool. It's great. I'm fired up. I, you know, I love Chicago.

Yeah, I think Miami is one of those. where there's a lot I like about them. Second, I love getting. Ballard takes you back. He did. They did very well. They did well. Listen, man, again, from about 19 on, Jared Verst on, these are some flawed players that are really good.

Vers is a little older. He's a power rusher, chop Robinson. Again, people see he's a bit of a one-trick pony. Really good. Troy Fontonaut is more of a right. tackle a brawler, no finesse to his game. Jacksonville is going to get Brian Thomas if he's available. I swear to God, they're going to get that wide receiver.

What do you think Philadelphia does here? I think they go with whoever their top corner is on the board. That's going to be Clemson. Alabama or Alabama. Yeah, I wonder if Wiggins a little light. I mean, at 175 to draft him. I think you're right. They're going to get the Alabama kid.

You know, with all these tackles off the board, I think they're inclined to always go in the trenches, but they've invested a lot in the offensive line. They've drafted defensive linemen constantly the last couple of years. I think they go DB. This is where sometimes it pays. There was a lot, like, how he loves making a move, but he didn't even have to move, and whoever his top corner is on the board is going to be sitting there for him at 22. The other thing, Colin, sometimes in the 20s, you know, 22 to 28 range, you get a guy with

some flaws, but we've seen the Justin Jeffers, the T.J. Watts, like, you can get really impact players. in this range. You know, sometimes they're not the most hype guy coming into the draft, but you can get elite pro bowl guys right in this range. And if you do hit on him, a guy at 23 is a lot cheaper and the guy at seven on your books. So I mean,

you're only paying them a couple million dollars a year for four years. Yeah. So if Philly goes Terry and Arnold, who by the way was a 98 recruit out of 100, he was a five-star corner, what you notice about him when you watched Bama play is the really great athletes have. something and you can't teach it.

The super twitchy athletes have a change of direction. Like you'll see these corners or there's receivers. Like, jet, jet, quick. Big guys generally don't have it. Arnold, it's cartoonish. His ability to get fooled and catch up. So he's the best corner in this draft. Wiggins is smaller.

I think Philadelphia, I think this is a pretty honest move. They, you know, they signed their two receivers. They got Sequin Barclay. They've spent big money on offense, which, by the way, that's where you that's where you should spend your money in 2024. I think they're going to load up on defense. Well, here's the other thing. The last couple of years,

they've only drafted from like two programs, Alabama and Georgia. So do you not expect, you know, some random school to come off the board here. They have not messed with that and they feel good about that strategy, even if some of the guys are still a work in progress.

They are going to lean the elite programs and let it fail. If they miss, so be it. But they're not going to miss going with the Toledo going with kind of a smaller Kansas state or whatever. They changed their philosophy a couple of years ago, just Georgia and Alabama. Honestly, they just stick in the SEC.

They drafted half their roster's Georgia and Alabama. And even A.J. Brown, who they traded for was an SEC guy, who now they've signed a multiple contract. So I would expect the Eagles to go Alabama here. So let's go 22, 23, 24 Dallas, and then I'll let you go. We started at 604 at 741. We thought we were going to go for 45 minutes, but this is so much damn fun. I can do this all day.

So I'm going to guess Terry and Arnold to Philly, Brian Thomas to Jacksonville, we got to stay for the Dallas pick. I would say, of all the teams in the league, I mean, their coach is on the last year of a contract. And I get it's not college football, so recruiting, that still doesn't happen in the pros. That's pretty weird. And I actually don't blame them for the way they've handled that.

Why don't we just play this out? Let's see. Why do I have to give you another $250? million dollars. Let's see you play well in the playoffs. But the McCarthy thing, that thing could get weird fast. You bring in Mike Zimmer who, you know, say this about Dan Quinn, you could argue Mike Zimmer might be a better defense of mine, but he's an angry crumudgeon who's been a head coach with some success. Jerry clearly likes him because he's from the heyday of the Cowboys. They've lost some talent, kind of pressure. I know he's had a good couple of years in the regular

season, but their regular season is kind of irrelevant now. They've been rattling off 12 wins for three straight years. And then they've been bounced in the first round two of the last three years at home. So this Dallas thing, now, luckily, here's the thing you would say about Jerry and the operator. They do draft pretty well. I mean, they have been, they have drafted pretty well. They don't have a running back.

I mean, you see, they're sniffing around Zeke's back in the building. I mean, they're kind of desperate. And this is not a good running back draft. I don't know. I mean, their offensive skill guides aren't as good as they were a couple years ago. I thought it would be a decent running back draft. a year ago, but Blake Corum's not a first or a second round pick anymore. He's not the same running back. He's more of a third or fourth off that injury. He just does not have the pop. I thought he was going to be like a high second when I watched him. He's one of my favorite players. So here we go. Well, you've had the stat forever about DAC's success with running the ball, right? When he has to turn into Aaron Rogers, it fails. Every time. Every time. Rince was repeat. There's literally a, all right, Philly has made their pick. There's literally a line of demarcation.

If he gets like a hundred yards rushing, DAC is an A-minus quarterback. Under it, he's a C-plus. I mean, there's no... Dax's made for Jim Harbaugh style of playing, right? Play defense, run the ball, try to throw it under 30 times. Or Kyle Shanahan.

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Listen to cultivating her space on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. The Eagles are taking Quinian Mitchell, the Toledo small school corner. That's, that's shocking. That's shocking because like I said, people like him. He clearly was their top corner on the board. Toledo. You know, it's one of those, you know what's funny, John? There's two positions in football, running back and corner. You could either play it or you can't. I mean, Sauce Gardner, Cincinnati was the best player in college football I thought that year. It's, There's certain positions that are sort of not bust proof, but high school to college, college to pro. If you can man up a guy on the corner, you're going to play the first day on campus.

And I tend to think running back in corner, even if the situation wasn't perfect, Saquan Barkley was going to work everywhere. Joe Mixen worked and their old line was shit, his first two years in the league. Like I think corner, if you look at this kid from Toledo, I don't really worry too much. in terms of school or competition with running back and corner. First of all, there's a twitchiness speed aspect. The clock tells you if they can play. And I think this kid will end up being,

first of all, he's a starter day one for this team. They're a bit of a mess. I got to do some more research on them because just looking at the first 22 picks, and listen, I got my football start at Fresno State where we had a lot of first rounders. Those days are kind of over with the transfer portal. Because the moment you become a top 100 pick. as a freshman or sophomore, these teams come after you. Honestly, the one weird team on here before Toledo was University of North Carolina.

And Nick Saban tried to give Drake May $5 million to come play at Alabama. I mean, Colin, this first round, USC, LSU, Ohio State, Notre Dame, LSU, Bama, Washington, Washington, Penn State, Oregon, UGA, you know, UCLA, Texas, Bama. It's, I think get ready for this moving forward because all these Power 5 programs at the high end, the moment you've become a high-end player as a sophomore, they get you on that phone and they say, transfer to my program, I'll give you $500,000 and these small schools can't keep the player. So this Toledo guy,

I just don't think we're going to see much of that. And honestly, we'll probably only see it once tonight. If Brian Thomas, the next guy off the board, that's LSU again. It's just high-end programs. We're used to that we'd have some random programs mixed in.

But now with the transfer portal in NIL, at the high end of the draft, man, these big programs just have bigger pocketbooks. Well, This kid's got almost a 40-inch vertical. He's a big-time athlete. He's a big-time prospect. I'm just saying it's kind of weird seeing that I got to do some digging,

like how he didn't get some more phone calls. Maybe he was offered. He stayed loyal. I mean, not everyone's just jumping ship. Well, and the other thing is, again, cornerbacks are interesting. So I had talked, I think it was Notre Dame or somebody played, Notre Dame played Cincinnati and Sauce Gardner.

This is fuzzy, but like Notre Dame, basically, a source told me they just didn't want to throw the ball to They did. Remember, they did like a home and home Cincinnati, Notre Dame. And people said like Brian Kelly at the time was like, yeah, we're just not, I think it was Brian Kelly. Was it two years ago? Yeah, it was. Yeah. And Brian's like, we're not going to throw to his side of the ball. It's just we're not going to do it. This kid doesn't have prodigious numbers. I think he only had a couple picks, but nobody in Toledo's conference is throwing the ball to Quinn and Mitchell. side of the ball. So again, cornerback and running back, especially corner. Sometimes, you know,

teamers just don't throw to your side of the ball. To be a small school first round cornerback, who didn't look at tape and go, we're going to the other side of the field. So don't get too alarmed if you look at his numbers and they don't jump off. This is not, you know, this is not the SEC where sometimes you just, you have to throw at all corners because they're all NFL guys. Well, based on roster alone, the Eagles have no excuse, assuming that they say, relatively healthy to not win the division. Right. The Giants are not very good. Washington's young.

The Cowboys shouldn't have won the division last year, but the Eagles fell apart. Now the Eagles are spending a lot of money on Fangio and Kellynne Moore. And there's some tangible pressure this year on Jalen, right? He felt like he took a little step back last year. It's like who Jacks do. Look at this. In 2021, Quinion Mitchell for Toledo played Notre Dame as a corner. He had a sack, a force fumble, two fumble recovery.

It's like corner. Against good competition. That's like an offensive end. When you are a smaller school guy and you have those moments against the big programs like Sausted against Notre Dame or this guy when he plays, remember Khalil Mack at Buffalo played Ohio State and he had three sacks. It's like that changes your trajectory as a prospect because it's hard to evaluate half your games playing me and you.

But when you get an opportunity to play a top 10, top 15 program as a prize, aspect of smaller school, you can kind of change the hype on your own draft trajectory. So Brian Thomas, Jacksonville, 23, that's my hunch. Yeah, I would agree. Yeah. No, I mean, they lost Calvin Ridley. Could the Cowboys go wide receiver? I see I could see Dallas trading up one spot to who Jacksonville.

Brian Thomas just drafted. Brian Thomas goes to Jacksonville. We predicted it right. We predicted it about 15 minutes ago. Brian Thomas, wide receiver. I think if you're Dallas, you've got to feel pretty good about your defense. You got multiple DBs who are impact players. You got highly paid guys in her defensive line.

Most of the top offensive line men are off the board. I don't know how you don't go skill guy here. I mean, besides C.D. Lamb, who do you feel great about? I guess Ferguson's a solid tight end, but you have no running back right now. Yeah, I think wide receiver's the play here. Who's the best wide receiver? Well, that's probably up for debate. You know, a lot of people like the Georgia McConkey kid.

Worthy weighs 110 pounds. Worthy. Worthy and Dak do not feel like it fit, do they? No. Dack's not a terribly accurate thrower. And Worthy is tiny. You know, it'd be different if you could get, like Brian Thomas is a big target. Roma Dunzee is a big target.

Harrison, you can't give me a small target with an inaccurate quarterback. You know, if you're going to have a smaller target, give me a Matt Stafford, give me an Aaron Rogers, give me a guy who's a pinpoint thrower, Mahomes, a guy that's a little wild. I mean, I just don't think Dax ever been an elite A plus arm guy. I could see Dallas, I'll be honest with you, I could see Dallas trading out of this thing. Yeah, I could too. I could too. And maybe one of those teams, I mean, is this a spot where could Kansas City come up? You know, Worthy, I think, has some question marks off the field.

Andy, they just had that situation with rice. I don't know if they want to bring multiple question marks into that wide receiver room. It's one thing to have one, but if you've got two of your six guys. All right. So folks, we've been doing this all night. This is our final pick for John and I. Biggest shocker of the night, Pennix? Penix at eight's the biggest shocker.

I think a lot of it's been predictable. I think the fact that no defensive players went until the 15th pick is historically. shocking. You know, John, the player that I worry about, Amarius Mims at Cincinnati is one of those where I'm a little gun shy. Guys got no starts. That worries me in a division with excellent pass rushes. That worries me. That's a good defensive division. I'd say the pick that I just, and I know they had to do it, but Drake May, first time head coach, who's young, who's been coaching for five years, who was a player seven years ago. who has all this negativity surrounding the organization.

That's a tough spot. Yeah, we talk about some of these spots. Caleb's in a great spot. J.J's in a great spot. Bo Nix gets Sean Payton. Drake Maygets, Gerard Mayo, Jonathan Kraft,

and no one around him. Grankowski and Edelman ain't walking through that door. Oh, no, it is lean. I mean, it's Devante Parker. It's,

is Juju Smith-Schuster still there? Yeah, the conference is good. Think of all the quarterbacks in that conference. That's tough. Now, he, technically they got Jacoby Brissette. He doesn't have to start right away, but you go one and five. Who the hell is going to want to watch Jacoby Brissette?

You know, so this guy's going to get thrown to the fire. It always happens. And he just, and I like- New England's O lines okay. So my guess is New England goes heavy, tight-end receiver back. Oh, yeah. Because they went, they went big interior. They went three guards last year.

So the interior O lines good. I got another one, which again, the guy is a fantastic prospect, but Malik Neighbors are the Giants. They have Daniel Jones, who's awful coming off an ACL and DeVito. I mean, what? That's not going to work. When they drafted O'Dell Beckham, you know, Eli could still play. And Eli always had a big arm. I mean, Neighbors is a down the field, stretch the field speed guy.

Daniel Jones is like a poor man's Alex Smith on his best day. It's just dinking and Duncan. So they don't have a quarterback. This guy's a good player. I get why they drafted him, but the fit for the team, I don't know if that's really helping you this year. I mean, it can't hurt.

He's very much a yard. They can't hurt. God, there's just so many good players. There was that run of deep. Once the Colts went with Latu, the next top D-Lyman basically went in the next four picks. Murphy, Turner, then Mims, then Ver. it's one of those things where they say you wait on the run and then once the run starts,

you know you've got to get involved. It's kind of why Minnesota traded up right away because they could see it coming. What I'm really fascinated to watch is Bow Nix and Denver because I literally think he went to the perfect coach. I think J.J. McCarthy and Bow Nix have limitations. They literally landed in the perfect spot. Bow Nix is going to play immediately. At 61 college starts, they're not going to F around. They're going to play Bow Nix.

They're not going to wait. I had Bowman on my show. for about 20 minutes, talk to him 10 minutes off the air before he came on and after. Bow was really smart. Bo's dad was a coach. He was a five star. Remember, he was a five star Southern recruit.

People forget this. Bo was a great time. Remember his first start was against Oregon? Wasn't that game against Herbert? That was his first ever start. Remember that? Like 2019 or 20? I do.

And it was a fantastic game came right down to the end. He was a freshman, wasn't he? Yeah, I think he played really well in that game. Then it all kind of was downhill after that. True freshman. He was like 18 years old. Yes. He was a freshman.

but I remember that game, and Auburn won late. And if I recall, Bo had a very good late drive to win the game for Auburn over Oregon. I remember that game. Yeah, I'm not, listen, I think he's overdrafted for the league. Yeah. But I completely understand the fit with Sean Payton. And let's face it, you talk about this all the time. And anyone that falls football does, where you go and who you fit with, you put Brock

Purdy with Gerard Mayo. No one's talking about Brock Purdy. He put Brock Purdy with with Kyle Shanahan. Matt Stafford was good no matter where he got. You get him to Sean McVeigh, it's lights out, right? So you get the hot Patrick Mahomes probably would have been okay. He gets with Andy Reed all-time great. So Bo Nix definitely has a chance. Remember, Sean tried to do that pivot with Tassum, but Taseb couldn't throw the ball, but he wanted that athletic guy. Now he gets a quarterback that can move. Like this guy can throw Tassum couldn't really. Hey, Teddy Bridgewater went 5 and O backing up Breeze. Teddy is closer to a Bo Nex in terms of size, arm strength. So, I mean, Peyton's career is Breeze, Teddy Bridgewater. Bow Nick's is the fit. I was told very early that he did prefer Bow Knicks to Michael Pennix. I was told that very early in the process.

It's his offense more for sure. He's not running go routes. No. I mean, listen, Shanahan like Kirk cousins, a lot of these guys, they've got fits. I mean, like Kyle's very much tied to his play sheet. And by the way, so is Sean Peyton. So is Lincoln Riley. Now, McVeigh isn't as much. Le Fleur isn't as much. But some of these offensive guys have a play sheet. And that's why this year, Caleb, with the battle line,

did a lot of ad living out of Lincoln Riley's play sheet. And so USC has this kid, Miller Moss. He's going to follow the sheet, which I think Lincoln's going to like. Well, I think Kevin O'Connell is really more of a disciple the way he thinks about football, more closer to Kyle and Sean than Sean Payton than Sean McVe. who kind of wants, he's a little closer to Andy Reed, you know,

the way he wants to coach it and throw it. It just, I'll tell you where to throw it. You get rid of the ball. The guy will be open. If he's not, go quick to the other guy. If not,

just get rid of the ball. And we'll just call another play. So I, I would imagine Kyle Shanahan, Sean Payton, you know, obviously Kevin O'Connell, the J.J.

McCarthy, Bo, Nicks, just play under control, high completion percentage, and do what I tell you, and be a smart, high character guy. This type guys they like. they like. And again, it's depending on what Andy Reid wants to go deep, right? That's historically

what he likes to do. So he likes a certain type quarterback, Donovan McNabb, Michael Vick, or Patrick Mahomes with a big arm. What makes him so special is he can pivot, no problem. You give him Alex Smith, he can win 11 games. Most guys kind of struggle once they find the middle ground. All right, one more pick. We will have been on officially two hours. You know what, man? It's been great. This thing is... What's your guess on how many millions of people watch the first, like, hour of this thing with these quarterbacks. I think this will be the most watched draft easily, and my guess is it will beat the NBA games tonight.

Oh, it's significant. Destroy them. Yeah. Hammer them. My guess last year had 11 million viewers between the two networks. I thought it was. My guess it'll be closer to 13. Now, again, Lakers do have an odd.

I mean, New York and L.A. are playing NBA games. That doesn't help. It'll be the first hour because you had Chicago dialed in, Washington. And these are massive markets, right? Boston, the giants, all in the tops. I bet the top six, like that first 45 minutes of the draft. I'm sure we're going to Pete. All right. Dallas is traded the pick. Dude, we have been freaking on it tonight.

We predicted Dallas would trade the pick. And so the Cowboys traded to the Detroit Lions. And so how many did they drop four spots, three spots? Yeah, Lions would be picking 29. Okay. So they already made their selection. So let's just stick around for what Detroit draft. You know one thing that worked when I was with the Eagles,

my first year I got sent to Radio City Music Hall. And it was cool. You remember when the draft was there forever. This traveling circus thing they got going feels like a bigger event, doesn't it, with all these people? I mean, it pops on television. They had 150,000 people. at this two hours before.

That's what it... I mean, that doesn't make sense. That's like the Obama speech in Chicago. It's like, what? This move by the NFL league office, Raj, has been genius. All right. Detroit, Tarian, Arnold, cornerback, absolute need. Jeff Akutu a couple years ago at Ohio State was kind of a bust.

So not a surprise at all. They go corner. Again, the Amarius Mims, Cincinnati, a little concerning for me. It's a bit of a risk. He didn't play much outside of that. Kind of predictable. I mean, so let's go back and review. Michael Pennix to Atlanta is the shock of the draft.

We were talking Bo Nix Denver a month ago. That may be a reach. For six months. J.J. McCarthy to Minnesota. I think the only thing shocking there is that Minnesota didn't have to trade too far up. and they ended up coming out of this draft with both their picks and they got J.J. McCarthy and Dallas Turner. They got to feel pretty good about that.

This has been fun, buddy. Enjoyed it. How did he beat the first round of the NFL draft? Oh, my God. This is adult video, adult entertainment for John and I. I know, and it really is. The only thing missing was a cocktail. Jesus. All right, I'll be on FS1 tomorrow. John Middlecough, three and out.

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