The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast - Joe Burrow on Browns MNF Loss, Ja’Marr Chase Injury

Episode Date: November 2, 2022

First, (3:00) Colin explains why Steve Nash had enough of dealing with Kyrie Irving’s nonsense with the Nets, and why he understands Aaron Rodgers frustration after the Packers didn’t make any significant trade deadline moves. Then, Bengals Quarterback Joe Burrow joins Colin to discuss what went wrong in the rough Monday Night Football loss to the Browns (15:00), the similarities between last year and this year's Bengals (17:00), talking football with Peyton Manning (20:00), how his point guard style reflects his QB style (23:00), his plans for the Week 10 bye week (25:00), the mood in an NFL locker room at the trade deadline (31:00), and how his approach changes with Ja’Marr Chase out of the lineup due to injury (33:00). Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates, check out FanDuel for the best wagering and daily fantasy action, and visit Cuts for the latest Fall fits! #Herd #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I think Steve Nash wanted out because I don't know Steve Nash well, but I know him. And I know a couple of people who know him well. And Steve Nash had said in the offseason that, you know, he was at Witsend. he missed Manhattan Beach, the lifestyle, the volleyball, the casual nature of it, the quality of life, that, you know, the NBA is a hard league to coach in. Our basketball cultures in America and our football cultures in America are very different. And the football culture is the coach has ultimate power. You can be cut in professional football.

Even Tom Brady can be cut. You don't get the guaranteed long contracts. Players have shorter careers due to a regulated level of violence. Players have to go to college for three or four years where they are just part of a collective. The biggest stars in college football, you know, it's often the coach. Nick Sabin's bigger than any Alabama player. And so players walk into the NFL, even the stars, they're humble, they're hungry. The football culture, the football media is tougher on players.

So they've got thick skins, most of them, developed through high school and college football. And the reality of NFL football where your careers are short, you're being tackled, the physical nature of it. And coaches have control. NBA basketball as a whole, that culture is different. Spot talent at 12 and 13 years old. And then coddle it. Tell it how smart it is, how great it is. I mean, the NBA, you couldn't have even voted for Donald Trump.

And I'm no Trump fan. If that got out, you'd be ostracized in the league. You know, there's one way to vote, one way to think. And players tend to be, you know, one year of college, shoe deals, big money early, can't be cut. And they have more power. I have no problem with basketball players in America having more power because the rosters are smaller and individual players can have. more of an impact on the outcome.

So it doesn't bother me. But when Adam Silver said, you know, my players are miserable, that's because pro basketball is the first time anybody's told them no or has ridiculed them or criticized them. You don't hear football players complaining about the internet. You don't hear Roger Goodell saying, my players are miserable. If you're miserable making $30 million a year for shooting a basketball and making $20 million selling shoes, you know, maybe it's not. criticism on Twitter or social media. Maybe it's you. And, you know, Kyrie Irving is part of the

basketball culture that you don't see it with a lot of players, but Kyrie Irving has been told how gritty is that he has no interest in being part of a culture, being coached. He mocks, he rolls his eyes at being coached. Remember what he said before he got to Brooklyn or when he got to Brooklyn, we don't really need a coach here. He thinks that. He believes that. Like Steve Kerr, Popovich, Eric Spolstra, Ty Lou, have no value. Can you imagine not only thinking at, but saying it out loud that every football player knows coaches matter. So basketball players have this ultimate power very early in pro basketball. And if you were told yes, your entire life, if you got everything you wanted all the time, you'd think you were pretty special. I mean,

I mean, Kauai Leonard, I don't feel like playing. Ben Simmons, I don't feel like shooting. Kyrie, I don't feel like being coached. It feels like you get a lot of that in professional basketball. I don't feel like I get a lot of that in pro football. I mean, you occasionally get a player that goes off the rails like Antonio Brown, but it's very, very rare. And most of your star players are coachable. You know, like just feel like you can coach them hard. They play hard.

They show up. They can take criticism, even if it's social media. The basketball culture in America, I mean, I love basketball. But Kyrie has come to the point where he doesn't elevate teammates, he doesn't want to be coached. I mean, if you're ever quoting or agreeing with Alex Jones ever once, like the line between winner and loser in America isn't how much money you make. It isn't your educational background. If you've ever agreed with Alex Jones on anything, you're a loser. There's no debate on that.

He is the biggest L on the internet. And if you've ever once agreed with him or quoted him, you're in the L side. There's the winner's side and the loser side. The half side and the have not side. Ever quote or agree with Alex Jones, that's the line. And I think Steve Nash listened to some of these Kyrie Irving comments and anti-Semitic nonsense and agreeing with Alex Jones. I just think Steve Nash was disgusted. and I think Steve Nash had enough.

You know, it's interesting. The bears made a move. The dolphins made a move. The Ravens made a move. You look at all these teams in the NFL making moves. The Niners made a move. Think about that. The Green Bay Packers did not make a move.

What is Aaron Rogers thinking? He's like, in division, the Vikings are better. The bears would chase Claypool are better. The Ravens are better. The Niners are better. All these people around. Then he reads where the Rams were willing to give up two first round picks to get past rusher Brian Burns for Carolina. And here's Aaron Rogers thinking, can we make a run on somebody? Like, I don't know if Aaron's envious. He doesn't come off as envious. He's always said nice things about Peyton Manning or Tom Brady or Joe Montana. I don't see. Aaron is an envious person. We all have some envy, right? But if you're Aaron Rogers, you're looking around today, Minnesota is absolutely better with tight-end T.J. Hawkinson. San Francisco's absolutely better with Christian McCaffrey. That is not arguable. Just in the NFC, those two alone.

Chicago, Chase Claypool. Packers still have the bears on their schedule. They're better today. You start, you know, the Bears aren't going to win the Super Bowl, but Green Bay may need to beat Chicago. Now it's Montgomery and Herbert, Cole Comet, Mooney, Claypool. Justin Fields has some stuff to work with now. I don't think the Bears are better than the Packers, I don't think. But the Packers still have to play them. If I was Aaron Rogers sitting around today, I mean, to be a pro athlete, you have to be a competitive person. I mean, he took 50 million.

He wouldn't work out with the rookie receivers in OTAs. So sums on him. But if you're Aaron Rogers today, you look at what the Vikings did, what the Niners are doing. I know a lot of people think I don't like Aaron Rogers, but the truth is I work at Fox and we have the NFC. And now the NFC has taken some shots in recent years where the AFC has taken some shots in recent years where the AFC.F. see now feels like it has the great quarterbacks and the better teams. I would like to see Green Bay add pieces because the Packers are an incredibly relevant brand. I'm not rooting against Aaron. I think Aaron puts himself out there. And when you put yourself out there, I appreciate you

creating content. But you'll find with a lot of pro athletes, they're spending a lot of their time being pro athletes. And just because they listen to a Joe Rogan podcast or they read something off a Reddit board, that doesn't mean it's accurate. They think maybe they're smarter. It's like a study came out about cannabis this week. We always thought cannabis made you more creative. And the study from applied psychology confirmed that marijuana doesn't make you more creative.

It makes you think you're more creative. sort of like when you're a pro athlete, you go online and you think, I am very smart. I am much smarter now. But, I mean, God, at least 50% of the shit on the internet is misinformation. People just making stuff up. So I think when these pro athletes start talking about stuff that's not really sports, it can get dicey, fast. We all know professional athletes care about what they look like. And as you know, I care about what I look like.

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And that's after a pretty rough Monday night football game, which I had set on the air on Fox on Monday. That had a snake pit feel to it. Monday night game on the road, divisional rival. Listen, Joe, you guys had kind of turned the corner on first halves. When did you kind of get a sense in that that you were like, oh, crap, this is, we're having protection issues. Well, you know, the first drive, we moved it right down the field. Miles Garrett ended up making a great play, tipping a ball on an RPO and it fell right in the hands of their corner. And so after that, you know, we just weren't quite able to get our momentum back after that.

Our defense had two big turnovers we weren't able to capitalize on. And then after that, it kind of went all downhill. It's a match-up league. The Jags have given the Colts problems. It's just the way it's always been. Chargers to me have always matched up well with Mahomes, Andy Reed, the Chiefs. Chiefs. I can remember Justin Herbert's first start in the pros against Mahomes.

You're like, wow, they match up. Could it be argued that Cleveland, because of their corners, because of Miles, they're a tough matchup personnel-wise. Yeah, they're really good pass rushers. You always, I mean, they've made giant plays, big impact plays against us. Every time we've played them and their corners are some of the best in the league. Denzel didn't play last night. but their guys stepped up and made big plays for them.

So you always got to give them credit, but we also didn't play as well as we should have. You're four and four. You're essentially halfway through the season. Give me something you're really happy with. Well, apart from last night, we've responded to all the adversity that we've gone through so far, and that's the credit to the character of the guys in the locker room.

and this is just like all the other times. It's not a panic mode by any means. We were five and four going into the buy last week. We have a chance to go out and get a win this week and go five and four into the buy, just like we did last year. So we're not panicking about where we're at. There's still a lot of football to be played.

The, you know, I was saying this morning on Fox on Tuesday, I said, you know, it's a year-by-year league. The Rams and the Bengals. This is why teams, like Philadelphia gets Robert Quinn or the Niners get McCaffrey or the Ravens get Roquan Smith is when you're in that Super Bowl bubble and there's a great player out there, go get him. Minnesota gets T.J. Hawkinson, a terrific tight end from Iowa. And go back to last year at week eight for you guys. And I think people kind of forget that the magic ride started later. Where were you last year at this time? We were, I mean, this time last year, we had just lost the Jets on the road after a promising start of the season. And then going into the buy, we played the same Browns team that ended up kicking our ass again last year at the same time.

So things are playing out very similarly to how they did early last year. And so hopefully we can get a win this week into the buy and kind of ride that momentum. Take me to the game last year where you were. walked off the field. And Joe, you felt like, all right, we've got, because remember, now we know you as winners. But at that time, in the history of the Bengals, where's the game you're walking into a tunnel, home or away? And you're like, it feels different. Like we are, we have crossed a threshold. You know, after we played the Raiders on the road last year, was our first game after the buy, you know, it was a dirty, physical, ugly game that we ended up making the plays at the end to

pull it out and then we go into Denver, I think, the week later and pull out another one just like it. And we kind of figured out how to win those kind of games. Right. You know, this year we haven't won those kind of games. We haven't made those plays at the end early on to put us in that position. So we've got some stuff to figure out, but nobody's panicking. We're excited about the guys we have in the lock room. and we're going to put in another good week of practice and go out there and put on a good performance on Sunday.

So you had a Peyton Manning meeting. He talked about that. I don't know if he was one of your idols. Obviously, he's like, I always look at Montana, the one word I would say is cool. He was always cool. Manning to me, I would say academic. Like I think Peyton made everybody have to be smarter. Like not that, I mean, when I was.

was growing up, I don't remember talking about, you know, you had to be brilliant to be a quarterback. And like Peyton like raised the bar like, you have to go to the line with three plays. That's how I view him. How did you view Peyton Manning before you met him and Dernet? Well, I mean, he was one of the guys that I idolized growing up. And then since I've come into the league, you can tell he really cares about the game of football. and he's trying to impart the wisdom that he had and has on the game to people like me and people across the league who are, you know, trying to do exactly what he did. And he really cares about furthering the game and making it a better product for the fans and for us on the field.

You know, it's interesting. Aaron Rogers reportedly and Peyton Manning did not love a lot of motion behind them during a play. they wanted to see the defense how is it set go so even you know you think to yourself oh all these quarter as smart as as Peyton is oh they want all emotion and all not necessarily but when I think about that for you if somebody said oh Joe is really likes this and that like how when you look at a defense um if you were constructing your game plan what do you like and what don't you I mean what do you really feel comfortable with how much pre-snap motion do you like? Yeah, it just depends on the defense.

Certain defenses really give you a lot of tells when you do a change of passing strength, motion, or you bring a tight end into the core, or you start running back out and empty, and you bring it back in. Certain teams have tails like that, and certain teams don't. So I think it really just depends on the defense that you're playing and the scouting report based off those motions. Boomer Asiason said recently that when he heard you were like an Allstate Point Guard, he's like, oh, he's going to be a great quarterback.

and I think there is value in that. I really do because not just the distribution of it, but I mean, you're kind of a coach. Like, what kind of point guard were you? I like to score points. I was definitely a score. You're Westbrook. That's exactly right.

Maybe slightly less athletic. Slightly. But you like, you'd be. bring it up looking to score? Yeah, I would 6th grade I would bring it up cross half court and I'm shooting it if it's open.

Wow. So you never played with Clay Thompson. Did you ever have a two guard say, bro, the way the game was built to be played, your source to pass into the wings. No, I usually was able to score some points so nobody said too much. As you go halfway through a season,

when the NFL expanded the season to 17 games, I said it wouldn't bother me at all if a lot of players said, listen, I'm going to take a second buy. That wouldn't bother me at all. And a quarterback is a little different. But do you find now, Joe, this is the second year with it, do you kind of find the sensibility, the psychology to us, even though it's only a game? But that's for alignment, that's 58 more collisions. Yeah.

Do you think, have you noticed the Bengals changing things? players talking about that. You're in your second year of this marathon adding a game. Yeah, you know, for me coming into the league, my rookie year was the only 16 game season. I didn't even make it through it. So all I know for a full season is 17 games and it's definitely a grind. It's a long season. And I would think if you were to add a second buy, you'd probably go to 18 games. So you would add a game and add it by. Right now, I think, We're in a good spot. The 17th game, you know, gives more opportunities for tiebreakers as far as record goes,

just because it's a odd number of games. So I think I like the 17 games. If you were to add another game, then you would think you would have to go to two buys. Do you already know what you're going to do on your buy week? You're just going to sit and watch TV? Yeah, that's the plan. Just sit on the couch and not get my workouts in and just relax at home. do you

escape from football? Yeah, you got to get away from it for You do? Two or three days, yeah. The season is so long. I mean, it's a six-month season, and then if you make the Super Bowl, it ends up being seven months.

So you got to, at some point throughout that, you've got to take a break and get your mind off and come back refreshed. It's interesting because, like, in college basketball, you play 36 games. NBA, it's 82, minimum. college football year now like in LSU it's a 13 or 14 game season NFL's closer it's like 16 17 but when you made that playoff run last year you got hit a lot I mean when that season was over last year

I mean did you feel physically and mentally gasped exhausted more mentally than physically my body is feeling good towards the end of the year is the best I felt but mentally the season takes a toll When you get into the playoffs and you get down the stretch towards the end of the year, it's kind of different because every game is such a must win that it's so intense. You're not even looking forward to the next week. It's like this is a one-week season. And so it doesn't really feel once you get down to the nitty-gritty, it doesn't feel it goes by a lot faster.

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I don't know. I like to play on game days before the game, maybe now and then. If it's an afternoon game or a night game, kind of get your mind firing a little bit. And you're not thinking about other stuff. You're not focusing on the anxiety of game day. And you're getting away from it, but your mind is still firing, getting ready for the day. So the trade deadline came. and college has a transfer portal.

But the one thing I've said where I don't think media or fans get this. If I was traded tomorrow to another company, I would be like, my company didn't like me. And then if I saw I was traded for like a fifth round draft pick, I'd be like, the hell is that mean? I'm not better than a fifth round draft pick. I've always thought we underappreciate the psychology players have to deal with. being shipped. I mean, you literally take your daughter to school and, hey, we're moving to Miami.

Like on trading deadline and I, you know, Chase Claypool, Rollquan Smith, T.J. Hawkinson, a couple days before or a week before, Christian McCaffrey. That part of the business, you've seen players already moved by the Bengals. Yeah. Like, could you take me there to, I think it's not dehumanizing, but it's really humbling. And I don't think we, I don't think we appreciate. it's definitely different from anything you've ever experienced just because every now and then you're with a guy for you know half a season and then he gets moved and you don't there's no time to say

bye or anything he's cleaning out his locker he's gone you don't have to see him so it's pretty like you said humbling and it's part of the business and you know guys livelihoods are on the line this is how people make money and provide for their family. And so it's always, uh, it always makes you think about it. So Jamar Chase is out. Um, thank God you don't go to the internet. Um, you know, people are saying, you know, without Jamar Chase, Joe Burrow and I'm like, oh, people, stop. Do you think to yourself, more looks for tea. More looks. Do you kind of in your mind math it out or, or, I mean, Listen, Jamar is a once a decade. He's a generational talent.

I can remember when he was at LSU. I can remember going on the air saying he's a pro football player playing at LSU. Like he's better than 99%. Is there a situation, Joe, without Jamar last night, not that he's a crutch, but he is so valuable to you. You trust him so implicitly. How much harder is it not playing with like your ally? Yeah, whenever you have a guy like that, that's going to be. out. Your offense will look different.

He's too elite of a player to think that you're just going to go out there and the offense is going to look exactly the same. It's not. So you have to find ways to enhance what your other guys do well.

And you know, last night we didn't make enough plays to win the game. But T and TB are, in my opinion, pro bowl caliber receivers. And a lot of our guys, the other three guys that played last night, they're going to have to step up too. And they made plays in the game last night. But overall, collectively as a unit, we got to

pick up the slack from Jamar not being out there. Do you think Cleveland knowing Jamar Chase wasn't out there defended you, Joe Burrow differently? It's tough to say. They were doing a lot of similar stuff that they were doing to us last year. So I would say maybe they change it slightly if Jamar's out there, but I think mostly they do the same. When you're going at half in a hole, what does Zach say? There's not a lot of time to sit there and talk about it. It's just got to come back out and do our jobs. And we've never, for the most part, we always, you know, fight our way and claw our way back into games.

Last night we weren't able to make the players to do that. But it's more just talking game plan and what you're going. going to do the second half based off the looks you're seeing. Yeah. That was the first scoreless half you've had, and I believe like 41 games. Was it weird walking off? And when you walked in, were you pissed? Were you, I mean, what was your feeling when you walked off at half?

Motivated to come out in the second half and try to make some plays and put us back into it. Weren't able to do that. We started making plays, you know, at the end. It was too little too late. Yeah. So short week, how does it change for you? Yeah, everything is just going to be compressed. You know, we have to, we're down basically two days playing on Monday night.

And so now we have to, you know, kind of condensed days, third down red zone. Maybe they're going to be the same day. Base downs will be tomorrow, maybe a third down review, an extra one, extra walkthrough here or there. So the short weeks are always tough, but we usually respond on these situations. We've played well in these short weeks in the past. Joe, good seeing you, ma'am. Yeah, you too. Appreciate you.

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