The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast - Joe Burrow on Rough Week 1, Ja’Marr Chase Bond, Gameday Swag

Episode Date: September 14, 2022

First, (3:00) Colin discusses if Russell Wilson should shoulder the blame for the Broncos dreadful late game clock management in his Seattle return, and if there’s a connection between bad Week 1 QB play and sitting for the entire preseason. Then, Bengals Quarterback Joe Burrow joins Colin to discuss the lingering effects of a physical Week 1 game against the Steelers (16:00), if a lack of reps following his appendectomy affected his performance, how he’s able to shake off interceptions so easily (20:00), what it’s like facing the elite pass rushers in AFC North on a weekly basis (21:00), if he wants to take preseason reps next year (23:00), how he processed the Super Bowl loss to the Rams (24:00), where he’s improved most from his rookie year (25:00), how much influence he had in the Bengals picking his LSU teammate Ja’Marr Chase (26:00), why Cincinnati has been the perfect fit (30:00), why he’s a cat guy (32:00), Which QB’s are underrated by the media (33:00), the biggest difference between playing in the Super Bowl and regular season games (35:00), why he’s embraced his unique game day swag (35:00), and how he’s preparing for his Week 2 matchup against the Cowboys (38:00). Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates and check out FanDuel for the best wagering and daily fantasy action! #Herd #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So once a week for the next 20 weeks, the Bengals star quarterback will be joining us at the volume sports on the Colin Coward podcast. Win or lose. And this week, he shows up, despite a tough performance to the rival Steelers. You know, and I was thinking about the 11 quarterbacks that did not take a snap in the preseason. Went three and eight. Think about that. Some were Aaron Rogers, Russell Wilson.

You know, think about this. Three and eight. So we talk about that preseason. And we talk about, oh, I don't want to get hurt, but you can work out so many things. Now, give an example, Russell Wilson. In that meltdown with four minutes left in Seattle for Russell Wilson, one of the things that's interesting, you can't create a crisis at practice that is anything like playing in Seattle, you're being booed. There's nothing that duplicates that. Now, a preseason game isn't that either, but it's a real game.

And situationally, the Seahawks with a first-year head coach and a new coordinator and a new quarterback on the road look flustered. And why didn't Russell Wilson going to be a pro football Hall of Fame quarterback? Go timeout, time out, time out, time out. Let's get organized here. So Richard Sherman, also new to the volume podcast, says that Russell Wilson doesn't have that power in Denver yet. Peyton Manning had it in his career. Patrick Mahomes has it now. Tom Brady's had it in his career.

that Russell Wilson at this point may not have that power to just say, time out, I'm taken over. And it's almost as Russell Wilson was too respectful. Nice guy, first year head coach, rookie head coach. You know, it reminds me, Malcolm Gladwell wrote a book called Outliers, and he talked about Korean Airlines. So they had a spate of crashes in the 80s and 90s, Korean Airlines. And whenever you have an airline crash, it's generally not one catastrophic event. It is a series of mistakes, on average, seven mistakes or errors for every plane crash. And there are very few.

But in the 80s and 90s, Korean Air was having a problem. And at the root of the problem was because of the culture that the first officer was overly respectful to the captain. That's the theory that Malcolm Gladwell presents. And that if the plane was running low on fuel, the first officer wouldn't raise his voice. if he talked to the tower, he would never call it an emergency. He was overly respectful to the captain, the hierarchy. And obviously, that's much more serious than a quarterback in a timeout. But it does show you sometimes that being overly respectful, there are drawbacks to it.

And it's sometimes being blunt and taking over is really, really important in critical situations. and Russell Wilson, a lot more experienced, is a much better quarterback than Nathaniel Hackett is a coach. Why doesn't he just go, time out? This is my stadium. I played here for a decade. I'm calling time out. I'm taken over. But instead, Russell churned, as Richard Sherman said, and respectfully looks to the rookie coach. Hey, I'm part of the team. Not really. You're the catalyst for the team. Remember Tom Brady barking at coaches. Arking at his offensive lineman, right? That Bears Thursday night game, his first year with the Bucks. He wasn't deferential to anybody.

He didn't care if he was a new guy in the town. He told the team, we're going to do practices at Jesuit high school in Tampa. I don't care if they're illegal. Get over here. Right? Yelling at offensive linemen. I don't care if you've been here before me. I don't even care if you're a pro bowler.

I'm the quarterback of the football team. I'm 70% of the offense. So I think sometimes, you know, everybody, generationally, it's to be thoughtful and be nice and be deferential to bosses. Sometimes, you've got to take it into your own hands. And I think Russell Wilson was too deferential than Nathaniel Hackett. 75% of coordinators flail, bomb as head coaches. That's Russell Wilson's team.

That is Russell Wilson's team. Today and until he leaves. My other thought about quarterback play is that there's this understanding now that star quarterbacks don't need to play in the preseason. Well, Russell Wilson lost with a new coach. Aaron Rogers lost didn't take a snap in the preseason with new receivers. Eleven quarterbacks didn't take a snap in the preseason. Eight lost. And great quarterbacks, Russell Wilson.

Aaron Rogers, Joe Burrow. Now, he had an appendectomy, but three great quarterbacks lost their openers. And in Denver's case, some situational clunkiness. In Burroughs case, the timing was off. In Aaron Rogers case, rookie wide receivers disconnected, not working. So I think things tend to go in cycles and the pendulum swings back and forth. I think you'll start watching more and more. veteran quarterback saying, you got to give me a couple series. You've got to give me a few snaps.

But I think when you go through collective bargaining and there's fewer padded practices than Sean McVeigh comes in, doesn't play anybody in the preseason, we overreact to it, everybody follows suit, and you watched how bad some of these quarterbacks no lines were in week one. And think about this too. Is that now, if you're not going to play starters, starting quarterbacks and O Lions in the preseason. What really looked off in the first week of the NFL? O Lions and quarterback play. Right?

So teams now with a 17th game are treating week one like an extension of the preseason. And no, again, why not? You can go on one. It doesn't matter. Green Bay last year got drilled by the Saints week one, got beat by Minnesota. In the end, it probably doesn't matter much. But this is the way life goes in cycles. You know, it's like first the NFL's real physical and then it's all offense and then

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Well, you know him is the number one overall pick, a national title, NFL comeback player of the year, helped the Bengals get to the Super Bowl, overcame an unbelievably difficult injury. He is going to be part of the volume. Going forward, we hope, for a long time.

I mean, we got Draymond, we got Richard Sherman, and we got Joe Burrell. Those were our three tar. Those are the guys we wanted. So our recruiting class was sensational at the volume. Whoever our recruiting coordinator is, kicked ass. That's all I know.

And Joe Burrow is joining us. Well, first of all, I wish you were joining us in better circumstances. So let's talk about this, though. Brady said something that was pretty interesting the other day. He said at 45, I feel every hit when I wake up the next day. Everything. He said, I have bruises all over my arms. you probably, you know, young, great shape, athlete, don't.

But in a situation like Sunday, that's probably the best pass rush you will face all year. That is probably it. Do you wake up the next day and think, shit, man, I can feel that. Could you feel it? Yeah, after a game, I mean, we paid 104 snaps. So I was definitely sore the next day. But, you know, like you said, I'm young. So today I got my two workouts in after that.

I'm feeling a tonne better. And I bruised like a peach. So my body, ever since high school, I've bruised like a peach. People will be horrified if they saw me after games, taking my pads off with my shirt off. But I feel a lot better than I look. Let's go back to the appendectomy surgery. That's a major surgery. You know, everybody thinks, oh, it's an appendix.

No, you're going inside a body and taking something out. And again, I've had minor surgeries. and it takes your body weeks to recover from that. So I looked at you and I thought, well, you didn't get a lot of snaps. And this is the best pass rush he's facing. Plus, Mike Tomlin's teams, whenever their underdogs in division, they play with their hair on fire. Like it was like, everybody was saying, oh, good God, the Steelers will play their defensive

game of the year. Did you feel on a couple of the throws, man, I could have used like 12 more practices. I could have used more reps. Maybe you never want to make excuses for a performance. Obviously, not my best in the first half. I thought I responded well in the fourth quarter and put us in a position to win the game. But obviously, you'd like to have a lot of those throws and decisions back in that first half going into the beginning of that third quarter. So you don't make excuses about whether you had a training camp or not.

You know, we went into my rookie year without any offseason. and, you know, no excuses there either. So no excuses from the surgery from camp. But I like how we respond in the fourth quarter. You have a quality that it reminds me so much of Andrew Luck. I was a huge Andrew Luck fan. And I saw Andrew do this at college at Stanford. He was playing USC in the Coliseum and I was there late in the game.

He played beautifully. And he had a really bad pick six. And it was, you know, it was just kind of a simple out. He didn't read the corner at all. And he throws a pick six at the Coliseum. He comes over to David Sean. He puts his hands on his helmet. And I can see him where I'm sitting.

And he's grinning like, oh, I'm an idiot. He came back with an absolutely dart after dart after dart. And this is hard. This game gets into your head. I mean, you got T.J. Watt coming after you. It's your rival. You throw a pick. you and luck tend to be short memory guys.

So my takeaway is, you know, dad's a coach. Does it come from dad? Did you transition into that? In high school, did interceptions bother you? Like, where does that come from? Because I don't think a lot of these young quarterbacks haven't. Yeah, I kind of, I have my own way of dealing with it. I let it consume me for about 30 seconds.

And I'm mad at the world. I'm mad at myself. I'm mad at everything that's going. on about as frustrated as you can get. And then after that's up, I can kind of just flip a switch and forget about it and move on to the next play. Look at the pictures on the sideline, see why it happened, what my thought process was, and then put it behind me. Are most interceptions overly aggressive, misread, timing? If I had to categorize them, and there's, you know, four boxes, if you look at your career, where do most of them come from?

mine have been mostly overaggressiveness thinking i could maybe fit a ball in here where i probably shouldn't have tried the amount of missed red coverages that i've had are a few and far between i had had one of those on sunday but um for the most part it's overaggressiveness and then you also have to give the defense credit i mean i had i had one on sunday that tj watches jumped in the air and grabbed it on a on a six-yard throw that you know not every defense of player can make that kind of play. So you got to give credit to defense when you have those situations and then, you know, learn from them on your end.

You watch the film on Monday so you can get better, see what you did well and go from there. You probably, to me, you have the two best pass rushers in football are Miles Garrett and T.J. Watt, and you face them four times totally year. When you line up kind of the same game, are there things, do you see them as totally different athletes. Obviously, they're coming on that same side rush end. I mean, do you just see them as great players? Or do they have habits? Do they have tells? They're great players. Really, I mean, our division, the past rushers in our division are the best in football. AFC West, top to bottom can probably rival at rival. But, I mean, T.J. Watt, Miles Garrett,

at Camp Hayward at 3 technique. You got Jadavian Clowny. You got Justin Houston with the Ravens. You got the O-A kid for the Ravens. And you got Trey Hendrickson, Sam Hubbard on our team. I mean, they're really unbelievable pass rushers. And so we've got good plans for them when we play them. But they're going to get sacks.

That's what they do. That's what they get paid, a lot, a lot of money to do. So they're going to get theirs. You've got to try to limit it and protect the ball. So 11 quarterbacks didn't take a snap preseason. You, it was because of surgery. Some guys just didn't want to do it. I get it. The more we pay quarterbacks, you know, maybe the more protective they are. Like, I totally get it. But the quarterbacks that didn't take snaps, and there were many great ones, went

three and eight, right? And, you know, some guys, quarterbacks have told me through the years. They like to get popped. They like to get hit. So this year, Mahomes, by the way, does play and was great on Sunday. Next year, given a choice, would you want to play some in the preseason? Yeah, I would have liked to play some this year. That was my plan going in. We hadn't discussed that with our coaching staff at camp because I had the surgery the day before camp started, and so we just didn't have the opportunity, but that was going to be a request of mine. I'd like to play at least a series, just get the feeling alive bullets, get out there with the guys, field of communication and a game setting.

And I think that's pretty underrated. So next year, I would like to, but we'll see. Listen, you led the Super Bowl with two minutes left. You're not only a franchise quarterback. You're able to do what very few in my sports casting career can do. Go to an organization that's struggling, young coach, O-line struggling. You know, again, it's Andrew Luck and you turn it around. So, listen, losing sucks.

and you haven't lost a lot. And so it was a go-either-way game you lose. Where do you go emotionally after that? Because the history of the league is, Super Bowl loser is never good the next year. And I said on the air, I said, it feels different for Cincinnati. Like, I think they're going to be really good.

I don't know what Cleveland's doing at quarterback. I'm not sure if Pittsburgh's got the quarterback button down. I'm like, I don't know. I feel like they address the interior line. They have a pass rush. Receivers, quarterbacks. back. Like, I don't see the weakness. But did you just say, I'm getting the hell out of football for two weeks? Like, I have to just go hide. Yeah. I mean, that was about, you know, I still got my workouts in. I still, that's what I enjoy doing. That's how I relax. I get some workouts in. So got to the weight room, did that. But, you know, watched the film the day after of the Super Bowl and then put it behind me, didn't talk about it, didn't think about it.

tried to move on to this year. And I mean, we got 16 games left. Bad, bad start, but we were one-on-one last year. We got a chance to be one-on-one this year going into Dallas. Big game on the road. If we come out with that, we're going to be feeling a lot better. Joe Burrow today and Joe Burrow first start in the NFL. So I want you to go back if you can.

Where are you significantly better to? today than you were all those starts ago? At the line of scrimmage, I really understand, you know, the plays that aren't going to work versus a certain look. And, you know, I have enough reps under my belt that I know what play to get to against that same look. Just because year three in the system, I've seen a lot of more football than I had, you know, that first year.

And same coaches basically since my rookie season. And I think that's, I mean, that's so underrated across the league. You see a lot of these young guys with a different offensive coordinator each year. And you're learning a new offense, new language, new way of talking about every play each year. And I'm not sure that's a recipe for success. And so, you know, the way that the front office has surrounded me with really good, smart people that understand the game, that play hard, and then the coaches that give us a great game playing each week. I mean, I really couldn't have asked for a better situation to come into the league to.

You know, you, one of the things that you did early in your career is you, you know, you told the front office, we should get Jamar Chase. And people said, geez, Joe, your offensive line. And you're like, no, no, this guy is completely different, which Jamar Chase is one of the, you get about one a year in college football where you're watching a player in college and you're like, oh, that's a pro football player just playing on Saturdays. Like, he's way better. So not all the quarterbacks would be comfortable with that, knowing that you needed, like, protection.

I mean, it's part of the rebuild on that offensive front. Did you make a decision one day to just say, I'm just going to go and tell our front office guys, you're making a, how did you preface it? How do you go about as a young quarterback going to a general manager or going to an executive in saying that? So I didn't go up there and do it. think what made me feel great was they came to me and asked me. I think, you know, as a quarterback, as somebody that has felt like they've earned respect in the league when all we want to feel is to feel included in decisions, whether we are or we aren't. You know, they just

kept me in the loop. They asked me my opinion on Jamar and I said, I mean, he's a home run. He just makes the game look easy. Right. There's not a lot of people like him. Right. I mean, the way he catches the ball, runs routes, makes people miss when he gets the ball, shrugs the defenders off. I mean, he's really just incredible. He played 95 snaps on Sunday. I mean, that's not normal.

And our Z receiver goes down. He gets a concussion in the first quarter. And so we're moving Jamar from X to Z to the slot. And he's playing 95 snaps. I mean, he's a really smart, cerebral football player that just goes hard. Did you know instantly first LSU practice he was this? So he was the first person that I threw with when I got to LSU. I didn't know anybody that I go in on Saturday and Jemar's the first person in there with me.

I'd be lying if I said I knew that he was going to become exactly what he is now, but we kind of grew up as football players together, understood. I mean, he didn't play a lot his freshman year, but, you know, I saw the talent and he caught my first touchdown pass at LSU. And like I said, we just grew up as football players together at the college level and then the same thing at the NFL level. And so we have this rare connection and unspoken understanding of routes. And when we get to the line of scrimmage, it could just be a look that, you know, he knows what I'm I want. I know what he wants. And I think that's rare. So I have this kind of weird theory that quarterbacks have become American royalty. So when I was a kid in the 70s, the biggest stars in

sports were like short stops, like the Yankee shortstop or a Dodger shortstop or an NBA star. Internationally, the biggest stars are like tennis stars or a soccer star. But football now has taken over our world. Quarterbacks are now being paid for social stuff, for shoe stuff. You are the biggest stars in America. And it's probably just a coincidence. But over the last 10 to 12 to 15 years, I think there's an advantage to playing in Buffalo, New Orleans, Green Bay, Cincinnati, Indianapolis, Kansas City. They're not large media markets. You can literally hide because you guys are literally, you know, you are superstars. And it's like a big part of the NFL star quarterback group, it's right in the middle

of the country. New York's quarterbacks, not as pronounced. You know, Russell Wilson left Seattle. And you talked about a perfect situation. I'm like, Cincinnati's perfect. You get a yard. You can have dogs. You're not close to your parents.

It's not a big media market. And I feel like there's an advantage to Joe Burrow, who. who's the Joe Namath of this generation, kind of cool, national title. You can pretty much hide in Cincinnati, can't you? Well, I think I'm uniquely positioned to, you know, have success in Cincinnati because I'm from Ohio. I understand the people of Ohio.

So I have this connection to the fan base that I don't think a lot of other quarterbacks across the league have. I understand them. They understand me. It's just something about growing up in the same area of the country that unites people from that area. And everybody feels it where they're from. When they get back to their hometown, it feels different than, you know, when they go to New York or L.A. Just I understand these people and they understand me.

And I think that has kind of drawn them to me and drawn me to them. And it's really been a perfect match. Well, I was going to say, you had to transfer. People in Ohio feel overlooked flyover country. Is that what you mean? Yeah, exactly. It's nothing easy in Ohio. You grow up tough.

Adversity, you've got to push through it. And people that come out on top are great people. I stay here in the offseason just because I'm an Ohio guy. I love the people, love the place. It's been great. You have to have dogs, don't you? No, I'm actually, I'm more of a cat guy. Wow.

Yeah. What a revelation. But cats are curious. Also, you're busy. So like dogs are work. Yeah. Right? Exactly.

So I had cats or I had one cat growing up. And I had a lizard. I had turtles. But no dogs. Never was allowed to have a dog. Wow. Well, let me taste that. They're great, but they're work. I have to clean stuff up in the yard every single day. It's like a child. It's like a child. It's a child that poops in the yard. That's exactly what it is. And I have two of them. And they're amazing. It's funny. If I was in my position, people compare all the time, this talk show host, this talk show host, this talk show host. I kind of tune it out because I think everybody's unique. You do your own thing. Some are TV, some or radio. But there are times in my career, I've seen some comparisons, and I've thought, you're not, you don't really understand the business.

Quarterbacks, I'm guilty. We're always comparing you guys. We're always comparing. Is there ever times you just want to call a show and go, the hell are you talking about? You don't understand. Yeah. For sure. For sure.

And it's usually not with me. It's usually with different people across the league. Like, I don't think Matt Stafford gets enough credit. I don't think Kirk Cousins gets enough credit for how well they've played for so long. It's people, quarterbacks like that in certain markets that maybe didn't have the team success for a long time, didn't get the playoff wins. But, you know, they were really, really good for a long time and have played well, made a lot of money. And then, you know, if I was to lose a Super Bowl to somebody, I'm glad it was Matthew Stafford.

Just because of what he's gone through in the league. He was in Detroit, no playoff wins, was really good for a long time, had a lot of good teams, but just couldn't quite get over that hump. And, you know, what he did with LA last year, I was happy to watch that. Yeah. The, for the record, a Super Bowl. Bill Romanowski once told me he does not remember the first series. He said, it's flashlights. He goes, it didn't happen.

It's like an alien abduction. people tell me it happened, I don't remember it. Go to your first series. Is it a little bit of a blur? Was it greater than you anticipated? It felt like a dinner party and we were the entertainment. It was because, I mean, you come off a road game in Kansas City, a road game in Tennessee and then, you know,

your first home win in the playoffs in 30-some years. And then you go to the Super Bowl and it's more corporate. it and there's it just took a second to get used to it didn't feel like a playoff football game it was it was it was a weird feeling at the beginning for sure yeah but nerves weren't a factor no i mean once you get out there football is football you you prepare all week to to get those nerves out and you know they come the days leading up but then once you get to game day you know you're prepared you know you've you've done the film study you understand your game plan and so you're out there playing free.

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Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care which I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th.

You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music.

The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to The Clifford show on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking.

What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam Jay and I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84's big to me, not just because of crack.

I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack, so I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now, so... Thank you for finishing this. sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really?

Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hard Way with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Keer Games. And in recognition of

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and we're still chasing it and we don't know when we've done enough because people scoreboard watch. Life becomes about wins and losses. Steve Burns, Dustin Ross, because you find it important to be a good person while you hear on earth? Are you a good person because you're afraid?

Because that's two different intentions, bro. Absolutely. And that's two different levels of trust. I want you to just really be a good person. Join me, Keer Gaines, is we have real conversations about healing, growth, fatherhood, pressure, and purpose on my new podcast, Learn the Hardway. Open your free, our Heart Radio app. Search Learn the Hardway and listen now. So I, when you put the jacket on and I cut a promo where I put your glasses and your jacket on, but I do believe that it's like a fight. Mike Tyson, remember when Mike Tyson was in his prime and he would only wear black shorts and a hoodie that was ripped off? And so I believe that was all part of him saying, I'm fighting to death. I don't want any glitz.

I don't want anything. This is, I want to be as Spartan as minimalistic as I can be. I don't want any fru-frew stuff. I don't. And I really thought that was part of his mindset. Like Mike was just, I want to look like I'm going to spar. And when I watch you come into games, I think, oh, that's. That's a mindset. Joe's cool. Joe's confident. Joe's the man. Now, that's probably a reach by me.

But I think fans, but I, Joe, before I do every show, I go hide for 10 to 12 minutes and I just get it in my head. I'm performing. It's my opening rant. I'm performing. Jerry Seinfeld does that. Signfeld to sign autographs 15 minutes before the show. Jerry is like, I got to go hide. I've got to get into it. You're performing. So when I watch you in your outfits, my takeaway is, oh, no, he's getting into his space. game, he wakes up, it's game day. Am I wrong on that? You're not, you're not far off. You know, I, uh, I always felt like you look good, you feel good, you play good. And whether that was my uniform or what I wore to the game, it used to be suits every single game, try to look sharp. And then, you know, I kind of evolved as a person and have found things that I like that I enjoy wearing.

And got all of, I would, some of the stuff I would never wear out to dinner. But like you said, game day is different. It's, it's a mindset. It's, you're going in there to, I mean, it's not a fight, but you're going to go in there and go to war with guys that get paid just like you too and work just as hard as you do throughout the week to try to take something from you. And you got to go take it from them. All right.

You face the Cowboys. Have you ever faced the Cowboys? No. Okay. So when I was a kid, I didn't have any feelings about the Cowboys. I really didn't. I was a Seahawk fan. I didn't like the Raiders.

I thought they, you know, they were cheap. I like the Seahawks. But I never, as a Midwest kid, would the Cowboys anything to you? No, I knew they, I enjoyed Washington on Thanksgiving. That's about it. I wasn't a big NFL football fan growing up. I was more of a college football fan. And so I would watch NFL every now and then.

You know, back, Thanksgiving was the big holiday that I would watch with the family. But other than that, I didn't watch a lot of NFL football and didn't really interest me. Do you think in a weird way that helps you that you're not in awe of it? Yeah, probably. You know, I was, when I got to college, it was probably more of a culture shock than college to the NFL just because, you know, I played at a small high school and then you go to Ohio State and there's all the best players in the country and you're like, wow, do I really belong here? You see all these people flying around making plays. And so it took me a while to adjust to

that. But then, you know, you get to the NFL. I played at Ohio State. I played at LSU. I've seen all this different kind of football with all these players. The adjustment came more naturally. All right. So it's Tuesday. is Tuesday just film day for you? Yeah, get my workouts in, get my massage, get all the preliminary film study in before you get in to the week tomorrow, understand what you're going to watch, and then we get sent the scouting report at the preliminary game plan tonight, so you go through that, so you've got questions tomorrow morning, you can, you know, give some insight about what you're thinking,

maybe change this, change of this, and maybe tweet that. there and then it just kind of evolves throughout the week. All right. The first to 20, that was easy, 25 minutes. You're in and out. Look at that. No bruises. I don't want to see you with your hoodie off.

I don't want you distract and scar our audience. He's a bruiser, folks. What can we say? All right, this is awesome. Easy lift. Can't wait for it. Go crush. Watching this week.

Yes, sir. Appreciate it. You bet. Make sure to check out the Dramon Green show. I brought Dremon Green into the volume. one of the more entertaining voices in sports, unique perspective, understands behind the rope, also chops up with guests like Gary Payton,

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This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends

on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing huge. human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having

trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the Look Back at it podcast. For 1979, that was a big moment for me. 84's big to me. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a hear. unpack what went down and try to make sense of how we survived it with our friends, fellow comedians, and favorite authors. Like Mark Lamont Hill on the 80s. It was a wild year. It was a wild year.

I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me. Clifford Taylor the Fourth. You might have seen the skits.

my basketball and college football journey or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfilled of conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated.

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