The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast - Joe Burrow on Week 3 Pressure, Micah Parsons Impact

Episode Date: September 21, 2022

First, (3:00) Colin explains the difference between roster building for coastal and Rust Belt NFL teams, the biggest red flag from Nathaniel Hackett’s first two weeks as Broncos Head Coach, and what simple change to the transfer portal will make a huge difference. Then, Bengals Quarterback Joe Burrow joins Colin to discuss why the NFL product is superior to college football (19:00), what positive signs he saw on offense in the second half of Cincy’s Week 2 loss to Dallas (20:00), why he’s confident they can bounce back from an 0-2 start (23:00), if there’s added pressure to win in Week 3 against the Jets (25:00), what separates Cowboys LB Micah Parsons from other players (27:00), why he doesn’t hesitate to speak out on social issues (31:00), how he avoids social media distractions (33:00), how his family reacts to negative criticism of him (35:00), and why he doesn’t feel smothered in Cincinnati (38:00). Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates and check out FanDuel for the best wagering and daily fantasy action! #Herd #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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L.A., Miami, San Francisco, Vegas, New York, Philadelphia, Seattle. They're sort of coastal or in some instances like Vegas, they're glamour cities. Have you noticed how good the wide receiver play is in those leagues and the weapons are in those leagues? and the teams that are still driven by a running back, Green Bay, Cleveland, Indianapolis, Tennessee, Chicago are often Midwest cities. I don't know this to be true, but it's just something that was banging around in my head is that the Midwest part of the country is obviously less glamorous, but it's more conservative. They vote conservative. They live more conservatively. It's more about tradition. Coastal cities are, you know, let's be honest. most of the coastal cities I've lived in, your Miami's, your L.A., your San Francisco, New York.

You know, only about half the people that live there are from there. And I think young athletes are more prone, NBA NFL. There are cities they want to live in. They want to, I mean, look at the Dodgers ability, the Yankees ability. You know, players like to live when they're young in the coastal cities, in the glamour cities. There's just more to do. And I was thinking to myself, as the NFL, in the last five years. Wide receivers have become significantly more valuable.

Look at outside of Kansas City, which is Andy Reid, who's been the great offensive innovator post Bill Walsh in the NFL for 20, 25 years. So take him out of it. Our Midwestern team struggling and adapting with building rosters in 2022. Chicago, first two picks, a corner and a safety. O lines of mess, receiving cores of mess. They have a new quarterback. Their sensibility? Defense, running the ball. Green Bay.

Let Devonte Adams go. What do they want to win with this year? Defense in a running game. Indianapolis. What's their weakness? Outside of Michael Pittman, they have no receivers. Running in defense. Cleveland.

Got a great running back. Miles Garrett and that pass rush. Where are they thinnest? Weapons, wide receiver. Tennessee. A.J. Brown goes. Running and defense with variable. I'm just throwing it out there.

The coastal cities are more glamorous. They attract more star receivers. And they're more prone and willing. They have a lot of young GMs on a lot of these coastal cities. And they're more aggressive. They're more willing to take big swings. It's a less conservative place to live, be in business or life. and I mean like Tom Brady was going to choose Miami, the Chargers or Tampa.

Now you say, well, Tampa is not a big, well, it's on the coast. Weapons. Miami, weapons. Philadelphia. Weapons. Rams, weapons. Chargers weapons. Niners weapons.

Seahawks weapons. I count, you know, Vegas in, and Arizona for the record, though not a coastal city. It's a West Coast city. And it's just interesting. I look around at some of these GMs who I like. the Midwest, four or five of the worst receiving cores in the league, right now the thinnest, they're all in the same geographical footprint. Cleveland, Green Bay, Indianapolis, Tennessee.

By the way, Dallas, which is a glamorous city. So I don't really classify them, but Jerry Jones, as he's aged, it's pass rush, it's run game, Zique will be leading us. I know it's weird, and there are exceptions, but it is kind of, I'm kind of fascinated by the league right now in the last four to five years has made this massive pivot to offense and wide receivers and big trades. Is it possible the glamour cities and the coastal cities are more prepared for it? I don't know.

Could be wrong. Stuff to think about. So the Nathaniel Hackett Russell Wilson drama in Denver is a very real thing. But it is interesting. As I watch Sean McDermott when he first. arrived in Buffalo. Sean McVeigh when he first arrived in L.A. Lincoln Riley when he first arrived in USC. Saban when he first arrived in Alabama. Belichick when he first arrived in New England. Coaches usually clean up and or master their side of the ball very quickly. Lincoln Riley has

fixed USC's offense in six months. McVeigh did it in six months. If you look at McDermott and Belichick, they got the bills and the Patriots defense is right. It took a while to find Brady. In Cleveland, it was the defense that led him. They couldn't figure out the quarterback. But what's troubling about Denver is Nathaniel Hackett's an offensive guy, and it's the defense that's the strength of the Broncos. The offense is the shit show. So I was saying on FS1 yesterday, if you had a restaurant, you love the bar, you love the

ambience, you love the staff, and you love the location, but you didn't love your food. and you brought in a chef and the food got worse, you'd be like, I whiffed on the chef. Everything else in the restaurant's good. What's troubling about Denver and Hackett, he should be able to button up the offense quickly. That's his side of the ball. And then you hear Aaron Rogers saying,

oh, I love Nathaniel Hackett. He was my drinking buddy and we played darts and he made me laugh. Excuse me? That's not what I'm looking for. So I think the troubling part is the offense is in total disarray. And he's been there for like four months. I mean, timeouts, burning them, situational, disaster. They can't figure out their play calling on third down.

They got the wrong personnel in. That is a huge concern because great offensive coaches, they don't have to win big. But Doug Peterson and Jacksonville, what have you noticed two games in? They've got the offense figured out. Doug Peterson, former NFL quarterback, he got Nick Foles to win a Super Bowl. I'm not saying Doug Peterson's a great coach, but wherever he goes, Kansas City, Philadelphia, Jacksonville. He gets the offense figured out. Hack, it's an offensive guy. It's the most disorganized offense with good personnel in the league.

That's a huge problem, a huge red flag. So everybody freaked out when the transfer portal became official and the name image likeness sweepstakes became official. And I said at the time, listen, it's going to take about a season to get your arms around it and to manage it. It's a little wild, wild west, but it will be okay. Well, has anybody noticed you can no longer enter the transfer portal during the season? Wasn't that one of the things we touched on? Transfer portal is great, but you don't want coaches leaving from Labor Day to December 15th. You don't want players leaving and going to a rival team before a big game. So slowly but surely, the transfer portal now is much more manageable.

You can't enter it during the season. If you got weaknesses in week eight, there are weaknesses in week 13 and you have to deal with it. Even the NFL has like trading deadlines. I'm told the NIL, they're getting their arms around it. They'd like to get out of the paying high school football player business. And that college football in the NCAA will set up some guidelines. so you have to be in school to be compensated in name, image, and likeness. Everything's met with outrage.

Everybody freaks out. Take a deep breath. I've said this about COVID. We were experimenting for the first four to six months. Doctors, hospitals were making it up as they went. When something unexpected happens, expect a little chaos early. It doesn't matter if it's tax. the transfer portal, a pandemic.

But the transfer portal now, take a deep breath, can't transfer in season. That's the way it should be. That was our number one concern. You shouldn't be able to go from Michigan to Ohio State in the middle of a season and give trade secrets. NIL, I don't have a problem with paying players. I just don't think you should have bidding wars for high school juniors and seniors. So it's all going to work out. Take a deep breath.

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So on Saturdays, do you still go old school and watch college football games and check out the SEC and the Big Ten? Because I'll always be drawn to it, Joe, my entire life. I'm nine years old. Remember sitting there watching the Huskies and Don James when I'm in high school. What are your Saturdays like before a game? Yeah, we have meetings a lot of the day or we're traveling. And so I'll throw on a game if I can.

And like you, I grew up, I didn't watch the NFL. I was college football fan. So I'll watch LSU. They usually have a night game that I can watch Ohio State. I try to. But I don't get to watch as much as I probably would like to. Yeah, it was funny. I talked to Urban Meyer once before he took an NFL job.

And he told me, he goes, I've never watched football on Sundays. I'm like, Urban, you may not want to take that job and make it up on the fly because it's really, really hard. Is there anything about pro football? like I've always thought the college football pass interference rule is much better than the NFL pass interference rule. But if I trip you, it could be a 58-yard penalty. I think that's insane. That's the part of, I don't like the college football overtime much.

But is there part of college football you actually thought was smarter from like an organizational management standpoint than pro football? Nope. I don't think so. I think I hate the targeting rule. I don't think anybody should get kicked out of the game for a play that's made in the moment. I think the NFL is just a superior product. Yeah.

So I made this comment the other day on the air. I said, I'm going to give you three quarterbacks. They're all really good. Burrough, Stafford, Brady. They all have something in common. They all mispractice because of different reasons. Two of them, surgeries or, you know, physical stuff. One of them a family issue.

they didn't play in the preseason and all three of them had changes on the offensive line. And I said, there's no way you can say in week one they're going to have it together. Brady scrapped, Stafford scrapped, and your guy's offense scrapped. I thought in the second half against Dallas, I was like, oh, okay, here it goes. I honestly felt like as a viewer, I thought the light came on, you felt more comfortable. That was my, as a consumer, that's what I saw. Did that happen? Because I felt you were so much more comfortable for the first half of football this year.

I was like, okay, that's Joe Burrell. That's the offense. That works. Yeah, that was, you know, we got the quick game going a little bit. We, you know, we had a 21 play drive in there. So we kind of warmed down. Offensive line was playing great. We were completing balls, moving the ball down the field, running for first downs.

And so I thought the second half we really picked it up. first half, you know, we just got behind the chains so much. We were first and 15 three times. And first and 15 in the NFL, it's going to be really hard to get a first down. So we got to eliminate those penalties, stay on track, stay in front of the chains. And then we're not going to get all these third down exotic stunts from the defensive lines that we're playing. The defensive linemen are too good in this league to go first and 15, second, and 10. And then they're just teeing off. like it's third down. You can't play that way.

And so that's not a recipe for success. So we've got to eliminate that and I think we'll be fine. You know, I remember Mahomes' third year in the league, or maybe it was last year. People said, okay, there's a way to defend him. Don't give him anything over the top. Make him be patient. And now I'm hearing it with Joe Burrow.

Joe, he wants to go, you know, because you let it rip, which is my kind of quarterback. And I hear this, well, you know, you know, he's going to have to learn to be patient. My takeaway is, well, there's an offensive line thing he's kind of working through right now and a lack of repetition with his guys. When you hear that, somebody says, oh, there's a way to defend, Burrell, make him be patient. How does that land for you?

Well, my rookie year, it was the exact opposite. We couldn't hit any throws down the field. And so teams were challenging us, and it was making throw over the top. And then after last year, it was making be patient. And so I think we've done a great job of adjusting to what defenses are given us. And this year, they're trying to take the deep ball away from us because we had so much success last year. And so we've got to find ways to find explosive plays, run after the catch without, you know, getting those big one-on-one opportunities because we're just not going to get as many because our receivers are so good at what they do. And so we're going to have to innovate ways to find those explosive plays.

But in the meantime, we're just going to have to take what the defense gives us, run the ball well, and find more points. What is happening this week at practice? Yesterday was we come and watch the film, lift, make our corrections, and then today's the off day where everyone gets a head start on the Jets. And so tomorrow is our first week, our first day of practice. And so I think everyone's excited to get back at it. It's only two weeks. Obviously, not where we want to be at nowhere near our standard, but we got 15 weeks of football left.

A lot, a lot of football to be played. You know, Joe, I think people forget. If you watch a movie and the last 15 minutes of the movie are great, that's all you remember. You could watch an average movie. But if it has a great ending, everybody's like, that's one of the best movies I've ever seen. Nobody walks out of a laughing out of a theater and says it was an average movie. People forget last year. Go back to, I've talked about this on the air.

I'm like, the Bengals had a great ending to the season, but like week 10. Let's go back to week 10. You guys were trying to kind of find yourself if I remember. Yeah. I think our by week was week 10, and we had just lost the jets on the road and got blown out by the Browns at home. And I think I was on your show that week. Unfortunately, I don't think we've got to talk after a win yet. Hopefully that will come this week.

But that was, yeah, we lost two games in a row several times last year. At one point, on a six-game stretch, we were two and four. And so, you know, we just got to find ways to be more consistent. And whether that's running the ball better. better, me taking care of the football better, getting the ball out faster, finding more completions. We just got to figure out a way to do that. Nobody's panicking. We feel the urgency of the two losses. But we're just taking it one week at a time. If we got there and take care of business this week, where I think we'll be on a roll. They always say you can lose games. You can't lose a locker room.

You guys are really, really young. You lose three in a row. I get it. There's a feel of desperation. What's the level of intensity this week? I mean, because let's be honest, I've said this before. The Rams are not playing good football. I just trust their people. You guys right now, there are teams that are 0 and 2 like Tennessee, and I just don't think they have the weapons. I think I just see them struggling.

I look at you in the Rams and I think they've got to get their own lines figured out. The quarterbacks didn't play in the preseason. I see moments. I saw the first half of the Rams this week. I was like, wow. I saw the second half with you guys. I went, yeah, they're fine. They're just got to get this shit figured out.

But the reality is, Joe, you're 0 and 2. And this league is just brutal statistically to 0 and 3. Do you forecast an incredibly intense week? Yeah, we got to go out and have a great week of practice. An intense week of preparation that will lead us into a victory on Sunday. I don't think it'll be any different execution-wise in practice, but we might feel that urgency a little bit. Our own two, not where we want to be.

But like I said earlier, 15 games left, 16 weeks left, a lot of football to be played. I think, you know, the biggest thing for us is starting off faster. You know, week one, pick six, fumble recovery in the first quarter, we give them 10 points immediately. Now we're playing from behind. Now we're facing third down defenses, prevent defenses, keeping it in front. Same thing last week. First and 15, first and 15, first and 15. first and 15.

They start out strong, two touchdowns in a row. And then we're behind 14 points, 17, 3 at half. Now we're playing pre-vent defense, third-down defenses. And so we got to start faster so we can stick to our game plan, run the ball, play action, take our shots when they're there. And more of those shots will open up down the field if we start faster and we're not playing from behind. Is, you know, again, you're from LSU. So you played with NFL guys when you were 17, 18 years old.

with Ohio State. I think you, I'm not sure if you're on the team with Chase Young, but Jamar Chase. Yeah. Right. So you play Micah Parsons. I commented during the game. It's like watching John Morant in football. Like he has like six moves. I'm like, holy, God, this isn't like anything. When you're, when you know there's a Hall of Fame level, when you're watching him, a Vaughn Miller or a Micah Parsons, I mean, was he a little better in person than you thought? Is it, I mean, take me through like playing. somebody and you know, oh, that's arguably the best player on the football field. I wouldn't say he was better in person because I saw him on a film and knew exactly what

he was going to be. He's unbelievably big, strong and fast player that, you know, it's not one dimensional. There's a lot of good pass rushers in this league, but not a lot of guys like him that they can move around from three technique to edge rusher to off the ball linebacker blitzing and getting matchups on a running back. So they can just move him around and do a lot of different things with him because he's so versatile. And, you know, I'm excited to watch him keep playing because he's going to keep getting

better and better. He's a young guy who's already one of the best in the league. And, you know, I'm excited to keep watching him. All right. So you told us last week that you bruise like a peach. You're taking a beating. So you wake up Monday morning. What does it feel like?

At your young age. I actually felt great this week. You know, I think diet has a lot to do with it. You know, back in the, when I was at LSU, eating po-boys and gumbole all the time. Maybe the inflammation your body is a little higher than it is when you're eating a little healthier. So, you know, the last two years, I've really, you know, focused on that and got that inflammation out of my body post-game.

And that's really helped with the soreness after that and it allowed me to have better weeks of practice and maintain my body throughout the year. By the way, I didn't know this either. Tomatoes cause inflammation. spicy food. I got rid of tomatoes and spicy food, not because I get hit. But I had a nutritionist, and she said, I had a little joint soreness because I was playing tennis.

And she, like, went there on my diet. And she's like, God, you just live on tomatoes. You're on to spicy food. And I'm like, it's awesome. I thought it made it. I thought it revved your body up. She said, your inflammation issues are going to be awful. So is that what you're talking about?

Yeah, it's all individualized, too. So everyone has different ingredients or foods that their body. reacts to it differently and you can take this blood test that, you know, they go through hundreds and hundreds of different foods, see how your body reacts to it. And for every person, it's different. Like, corn was very reactive for me. And so I try to, you know, eat as little corn as possible. Corn is in everything these days, so it's not, can't cut it completely out. But, you know, there's a lot of little things like that that you don't really think about that you know, I've helped my body. This week's gold medal performance goes to a young star

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But if athletes go that way, I'm all for it. And you live in a very conservative part of the country, Ohio, and you know, you don't have a problem having an opinion on social issues. You're obviously pretty fearless in that space. Is, and you're going to eventually have big advertisers coming in. Just how do you reconcile all of it? Like what goes through your head when we have a social issue, a cultural issue? How to, what's going through your head? Well, my initial thought for everything is to try to figure out my own thoughts on it because there's not.

I don't think there's one way to look at everything and I have to, you know, take in all the information and make my own decision on it. I'm a young guy who's, you know, trying to figure out my thoughts on the world every now and then. And if somebody asks me a question on it, I'm going to answer honestly. I'm not going to try to dodge a question. I try to have a great relationship with the media. And so I want to answer as many questions as honestly as I can. You know, if I feel strongly about something, I'm not not afraid to speak my mind on it. But I'm also not afraid to say that I don't have an opinion on it, that I haven't really studied it.

And I don't really have all the facts on it. So I'm not afraid to go either way. But I think these days, everything is so polarizing that I think people that speak out can kind of bring people together in a way. Yeah, it used to be, I'm in my 50s. When I was in my 20s, you could literally say, boy, it's hot. It's been hot this summer. And nobody, there'll be no argument. Now if you say that, it's like, oh, you think there's climate change.

Oh, you're one of these global warming. And it's like, no, I just think it's hot. It's June. I'm over the summer. I was in Turks and Kekos. It's just way too hot for me. I can't take July there. And it is weird.

Like, parts of me. wish I was in my 20s. Like the ability, my son's into tech. And I'm like, God, he's so much smarter than I am. He's so good with this stuff. He could be a hacker if he wanted to. I mean, he got coding. And I'm like, I'm so, I was playing Atari at a bowling alley.

Like, that's what we had. We didn't have anything. And then there's parts of being young and I think, oh, my God, what would I have done on social media? Jesus, this is, I wouldn't evil. I wouldn't, I would have been in disaster. Are there ever times you're like, I'm putting down the phone? Yeah, I don't have.

have any social media throughout the week. You know, I really not a lot during the season. If I feel like I need a break from it, I delete it off from my phone. You know, it can be kind of overwhelming when you're in the position that I'm in. You know, everyone can kind of get a little piece of you here and there. And I like to, I'm a private person that I don't like to share very much. So I try to keep my social media as professional as I can. Whether it's pictures walking into games on the field, you know, try to keep, keep my family

out of it because there's a lot of bad that comes with all that. And there's so much spotlight and so little privacy these days that you try to grab and take any privacy that you can. And so I don't have any social media right now on my phone. If I feel like I need to post something, I'll go on there and post it, delete it again. But, you know, I don't like to be on there too much. I'm the same. I have my staff run a lot of mine. My kids different generationally, but family's different. My wife's not on it at all. So my daughter sat next to your parents, your mom, said she was incredibly sweet at the Baltimore Ravens game. Yeah. And I always think, God, how would my mom have handled all the criticism I get, right? How do your parents deal with it,

especially moms? Yeah, that's, we have. We have. haven't really talked about that much. You know, fortunately, for the most part, things that have been said about me have been in a positive light. Obviously, there's a lot of negativity out there, but, and then, you know, with the start that we're off to, there's also a lot of negativity. So I think that they are starting to feel the effects of that. We haven't really talked about it much, but I mean, it's hard not to. I would imagine that they do, but we don't really talk about that much. Yeah, my mom came to me before she passed away one time and she said, oh, she had a friend who was kind of a gossip, but a funny lady named Norma. And she said,

you know, Norma tells me you're very controversial. I'm like, mom, I'm not controversial. I'm like, I have opinions. I'm not controversial. I said, if you're brutally honest, you know, it ticks people off. So my mom was, ooh, this is terrible. I'm like, mom, get off Google. It's not built for 72 year old. It's like, get off Google. It's like, get off Google. Joe, it was so brutal. I wonder if you'll get to a point where we're like, mom, just get off it. Stop it. Yeah, I definitely have had to tell my dad that a couple of times. Just especially early on it, mainly at LSU and everything started to ramp up a little bit. He's like, oh, do you see this article, this article? I was like, no, dad, I don't really like to look at

that stuff. He's like, okay, I get it, I get it. And so he kind of, you know, they get it. And, you know, we've been, this has been three years now in the spotlight. And so all my friends and family understand the position that I'm in and now that they are in as well. And they are adjusted to it just as well as I am. Do you still have high school or college buddies, like non-football buddies, like still hang with them? Oh, yeah. I mean, those are really the, my best friends that I continue to hang out with these days. obviously you make new friends through football but you know it's just kind of hard to to make

new friends in the position that I'm in that right don't really understand what this life is about and so you know my friends from high school and college they wash me grow up and know me from before I was the person that I am now in everybody else's eyes and I'm still the same person to them and so it's so easy to go back to Athens, Ohio, and hanging out with all the friends that I hung out with when I was 12, 13, 14, 15, just because, you know, they understand it. They get it. They know who I am truly deep down. And, you know, that's what I love about those guys. Yeah, I always, I say my, it's like a parking garage. I just don't have any openings. There's no openings in my parking garage. All the spaces are full. Most of my friends all get it. I have one high school friend to college. And then, you know, buddies through my career. The only thing that's hard to describe to people for me as a public figure is my time. Everything has to be like mice calendar every day is like eight things. Yours has to be double that, right? Yeah. The main thing is like if I'm trying to hang out with

a friend that I haven't seen for a while, it's like, hey, do you want to go get some dinner? And it's like, yeah, I would love to, but, you know, where are we going to go? We got to get this private table. I don't want to get bothered. I would like. like to sit down and actually have an interaction and conversation with you without having to cater to these other people. So usually we just end up getting takeout and eating in my house and watching a movie or something. And so that's kind of what my world has turned into. Totally. Cincinnati, I mean, I would think people in Cincinnati are mostly respectful of your space. Like the Midwestern ethos, be a gentleman, be a good person. That's what it feels like to me.

I don't know Cincinnati. Yeah, for the most part, people in Ohio, if I decide to go out, they'll wait to come and ask for a pitcher until I'm done even if I'm with my friends or my family. Usually people in Ohio are extremely respectful in that regard. When you go outside of Ohio is kind of when it gets a little crazy because I guess I don't know. Maybe people just in Ohio feel, they know it's my home. from here, they understand that we have shared values and the dinner table is a shared value. And then when you go somewhere else, maybe it's just different. I don't know.

It's interesting. No, you know what I think it is? They protect you in Cincinnati. They feel like you're a big part of their community and they're protecting you. So they, the last thing they ever want is for you to feel like, ah, this is a small town. I'm Joe Burrow. I think there's a lot of that where people, they're protecting you. It's like the ultimate sign of respect is don't bother our guy.

That's my guess on what it is. You're probably right. And that's a big reason why I love being here is because the fans here are great. People here are great. They get it. We all, I'm from Ohio, they're from Ohio. We all understand each other. And when you grow up in the same area, you all have a unique understanding of how you operate.

All right, buddy. Go get a win. Beat the Jets. Appreciate it. Joe Burrow. I love doing this on Tuesday. We have to talk after a win. We've talked three times. L's. I'm at this point. On all three of them. I just, I got it. I don't want to become a bad luck charm. So go get a W. Yeah, we need it. We need it bad. So hopefully next week we're talking under different circumstances. All right, Joe. Yep. See you.

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