The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast - Josh Allen Is Superhuman, College Football Playoff Set, Darnold Dazzles, Jets Next Head Coach?

Episode Date: December 9, 2024

Colin’s joined by John Middlekauff, host of “3 and Out” to break down all the week 14 NFL action! They begin with Josh Allen’s superhuman performance in a loss to the Rams, why Allen is the most talented quarterback in the league (4:00), and WHY opposing teams DON’T want to see the Rams in the playoffs (9:00). They pivot to a hideous loss by the Bears to the 49ers and why they need to hire a “culture builder” for their next head coach (13:30). They debate what the Vikings should do at quarterback after another huge performance from Sam Darnold (29:00), and whether it’s time for the Falcons to bench Kirk Cousins for Michael Penix Jr (34:00).  They break down why Russell Wilson has turned out to be the perfect quarterback for the Steelers (36:30) and why the Seahawks are only “a quarterback away” from being an elite team (40:00). They weigh the Jets future and discuss who the head coach and quarterback should be in 2025 (52:00). Finally, they pivot to college football with Alabama not making into the playoff and why they aren’t losing any sleep over that decision (59:30). They dissect the College Football Playoff bracket and why it needs to be re-seeded after the conference championships. They break down why it was unfair for Oregon and Ohio State to get punished with difficult routes to the championship while Penn State ended up with a glide path through the first two rounds (1:02:00).  They preview the Texas vs Clemson matchup and identify the glaring issues with both teams (1:09:00), and discuss whether Bill Belichick’s interest in coaching at North Carolina is legit (1:22:00) and why the transfer portal might be hurting player development (1:25:00).  Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates!  #Volume #Herd #3andOut  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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John Middlough, former NFL Scout with the Philadelphia Eagles, has the three-and-out podcast. Rams hold on to beat the... The Bills 44 or 42. Before I talk about the game, there was a really interesting play at the very end of the game. It did not cost the bills the game. But I thought Tom Brady touched on it and it drove me crazy. This is one of the things I don't love defensive coaches and sometimes a lack of sense of urgency with the offense. So there was about a minute 15 left.

And Brady kind of nailed it. Spread your team out. Take three quick shots into the end zone. Get a touchdown. You want to have about a minute. 20 left drive down and score. And then Sean McDermott twice ran the ball into the end zone, which he had to burn one of his own timeout, the second one they scored on.

And it's just situational football. It didn't in the end matter. But that was like one of those, oh, this is really obvious. I think the Andy Reed's McVeigh's, Shanahan's would get that. That drove me nuts. Did it bother you? No. To me, when you're in that situation, when you need the onside kick at the end of the

game. I basically, in my mind, give you a loss. I just, it doesn't bother me. Like, that game was lost early in the game when the bill showed up really flat. Yeah. No juice. They showed up like today was, they showed up today like it was a trap game. Yeah. Sunday night, they win the division, which it's about as early as you can win a division in the NFL, December 1st, right? You fly across the country to play the Rams, who aren't some scrub team, but you got the Lions next week and you come out flat and it took a herculean effort from Josh just to get back into the game. And for whatever reason, your defense, which has been really good, was bad today. I mean, they were getting slicing dice.

And let's face it, McVeigh, Matt Stafford, these two guys, offensive wizard, great quarterback, both make a lot of money. They have not been that good for about a month. This was not the Rams team that we have been watching, right? They have not played well on offense. Now, their offensive lines coming back together, but today they went toe to toe. I thought with the best player in the league. I thought it was the best the Rams have played since the Super Bowl season.

I thought they played nearly a flawless football game. The fact that Buffalo scored so many points, Josh Allen, first player in the history of the sport as a quarterback to have three rushing and three passing touchdowns in the same game. If you did not see this game, it may be the single greatest. I don't think I've ever seen a moment of a player carrying a franchise. The secondary for the bills was banged up and torched. They came in with no juice. He single-handedly kept them in the game with running play. Not just casual running plays.

Not six, eight yards, like 25, 35, 40-yard running plays. I mean, Mahomes has all the trophies. Mahomes is not as talented as Josh Allen. Josh Allen's insane. And I thought this was a, you know, Pookas had injury issues, so is Cooper Cup. And they're going to draft a receiver. I'm pretty strongly a believer of that. But it shows you why.

The Rams are now 7 and 6, and with Arizona fumbling, San Francisco feels a big win today for them, but feels like they're just a little disjointed. If the Rams sneak into the playoffs, John, watch out, because I would have no interest playing this team. Well, to me, Thursday night, they play the Niners. So they could kind of end the Niners season, right? They could end the Niners season. They would be eight and six, and they would be in position. Seattle, if Mike McDonnell was an offensive coach, we'd be talking about him like a McVeigh or Shannon,

everybody coaches defense. He's done a fantastic job. But this is must win for really. The Niners, you know, aren't really alive and they lost another player today at the end of the game. The running back got hurt. So now they're on their seventh running back. But the Rams, this goes back to last year. When Puka plays like this, he had 12 for 160, he becomes, you know, essentially he becomes like Marvin Harrison or Chris Carter or, you know, he becomes an unstoppable force. They are tough to beat because I was texting with some buddies this week. Jared Verse and Fisk are so good. Yeah.

Those two draft picks are immediately people around the league. They're violent because he's like, I was texting with a buddy. He was like, you know, their talent on defense isn't that great, but their defensive line is violent. Excellent. And it starts with those two guys. And a lot of people thought, like, is Fisk a little bit of an overdraft? You know, verse will his power translate? It's translated.

Yeah. And those two guys are ass kickers. To me, it's all about Puka, who they had to wrap at the end of the game. Now he came back in, something to monitor now short week. But the other thing, and you hit on it, we have a lot of these arguments, I think, on social media. And just when we talk about Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson, I understand Lamar has a couple of MVPs. Now, last year's MVP was not a great MVP season. Like if you look at his numbers, he had a much better season in 19.

Statistically, up until a couple weeks ago, he was blowing that season away this year. Josh Allen is one of the best players in any sport I've ever worked. Yes. Like, how are we arguing when we watch this guy play? Like, yeah, does he throw a couple picks? Yeah, so did four. By the way. What are we talking about?

He is, to me, Otani. He is different than the other great players. Like, Otani, Mukhi Betts is amazing, but he looks small compared to Otani because he is. I mean, it has an Otani feel like, while you may be watching, you may be watching the greatest talent ever. I mean, John Elway ran. He didn't do this. John Elway was strong.

He wasn't this. John Elway had a good arm. I'm not sure it was this. And again, we all acknowledge Mahomes, but Mahomes has Reed, great ownership. I mean, everything is, Patrick's terrific. But what I watched today, I mean, just here's the thing I worry about with Buffalo. Kansas City never delivers that. Kansas City, when they show up with no juice, now this did happen early in Mahomes' career. They'd fall behind 24 to 10. And you'd be like, oh, my God. But in the last three years, Kansas City does not do this. You can beat them. You can beat them at Arrowhead. But they rarely come with no juice. And that's a team with two trophies. Buffalo doesn't have one.

And it worries me at times. Like the first half was 2414. The Rams did whatever they wanted to. Kiron Williams ran a pook or cup. I mean, they just did whatever they wanted to. I mean, it was like eight-man football for Buffalo. It's like, is anybody guarding the receivers? that does trouble me.

They were on about a four or five week run where I had not seen this, but don't they give you this about four times a year? Yeah, and they've been doing it now for a couple of years, but then they bounce back. You know, next week they're playing Detroit, who still, I would imagine even with the mini-buye, still going to have a bunch of injuries. Like, that's a pretty big moment for Buffalo,

because Colin, they finish with Patriots, Jets, Patriots. Yeah. So they should be able to sleepwalk to go through. Reno down the stretch. But we'll have to see, you know, Kansas City still got a couple tough games. Every game they play is close. I don't think this totally kills Buffalo from the number one seat, because if you look at Pittsburgh's last four games, it's like Philly, Baltimore. They got a tough schedule. So to me, Buffalo, their schedule eases up. And I think we're going to learn a lot about them with Detroit, because we already know about Detroit, right? Their

competitive character, their makeup. You can never write them off. They could be throwing me and you out there on defense. But today was, the first half was embarrassing for Buffalo. That can't happen if you want to win a Super Bowl. And they're not, even when healthy or talented enough to just cruise by. No. Their defense is not loaded with names on the back end. Once you pay your star quarterback, Kansas City has offensive tackle issues.

They're still trying to figure out, frankly, they're receiving core. They're not as good at corner as they were last year. Like, it's there. Once you pay the quarterback, I mean, right now, Baltimore's back end. Joe Burroughs defense is atrocious. If you look at Stafford, let's be honest about it. The offensive line, it feels like they're playing catch-up with the Rams the last several years. They don't pay a single person right now on the defensive side. They can't afford to. So I just, I think it really, that's why coaching and quarterback play John is so essential in January,

December and early February. There are no perfect teams. They're just, you can't, the transfer portal, by the way, has done this to college football in the NIL. The minute you think you're loaded, you lose all, like an Ohio State can't carry three great tackles because somebody poaches the best tackle they have that's not starting. So like in college football, the unintended benefit of the transfer portal, and IL is there's no more Alabama's. That's over. Like there's just too many teams here. And when I watch the NFL, you're like, quarterback play and coaching obviously matters. But there are, coaching becomes essential because, I mean, you watch Buffalo in the back end today.

Baltimore's back end. Jesus. Those are bad secondaries. The one thing with Buffalo and same thing with Baltimore when their offense is on, I mean, they scored, they flipped a switch in the second half. They can get to 40. How many teams, I mean, Stafford is one of the better quarterbacks of his generation. Puka looks like clearly when he's healthy, one of the best wide receivers. How many teams are beating Buffalo when they flip that switch in the second half? There's a short list. Yeah. I mean, you're going to have to have a Stafford or a Lamar or a guy like that to beat them when they are playing like that on office. Stafford.

Stafford's last month, 120 pass a rating, 11 touchdowns, no picks. Stafford's on a complete heater. And I think, honestly, he was a little... They're getting healthy. Yeah, the old lion's getting healthy. It's time to look at this weekend's tastiest matchup. Sunday night football, brought to you by Uber Eats. Okay, I want to pivot to a game.

Now, it's not the second best game, but I think it speaks to... I think it speaks to the bears are a fascinating topic. So they lost 3813, and it was the worst first half any team has played in the NFL this year. It was, it was bordered on like Carolina and their offense last year. So at half, they had 12 yards in a first down. But what was interesting to me is generally you get an interim head coach bump. They didn't even get that. It was their worst performance with an interim coach, total disarray as a franchise.

Four yards in the first half, fewest by a Bears team since 1991. So they're just running through coaches and they're getting no bounce. So my question to you is we start with the Bears and then pivot to the diners who have to win Thursday or the season's over is to me you need a culture changer. Not just a football coach. That's why Ben Johnson's not the answer. You have to come in, somebody's going to come in and kick ass. I think you have to swing big. You have to go big.

Harbaugh should have been it last year. Who are we putting front and center in the coaching search? as you and I would both acknowledge, we don't love the owner. We don't, Kevin Warren's not a strong president if you ask people around the league. The front office, Ryan Poles, I think there are moments I like him, coaching staffs in disarray, players today indicated they don't trust this staff. Where do you go for a coach? Well, normally with interim coaches, really quick, Colin, you get a bump because you mess with the staff. They had already done that when they fired Waldron and made the interim head coach the offensive coordinator. So he's,

actually got in a weird way diminished because he had to have more stuff on his plate. And clearly the offense was a joke in the first half. To me, Vrable makes a lot of sense. Yes. Like they need one thing when you watch Dan Campbell, when you took over the Lions, it was a job where you go, you can't do this, man. It ain't going to work. It's, it's, this is not going to happen here.

And he basically said, screw you, it sure as hell is. And he had that type of person. And they have poor ownership, too. Like the Bears, they have below average ownership. I would say the Bears have a more glamorous franchise and city than the Lions. They're really not that. They're much closer together than they are close to the Vikings and the Packers. That's right.

So you need to get a guy who comes in, but this is the problem, Colin. It gets back to Kevin Warren. That press conference he gave after they fired Iber Fluse, Ryan Poles, the GM was riding shotgun. Well, why does every president, like, I'm sure Kevin Warren's making seven figures. He was hired to build the stadium, which is an extremely important job. But no one really cares about that. Like, you don't give press conferences for selling PSLs or getting the naming rights deal for

$400 million, even though it's a really big deal to the business. In the business world, and no one talks about that. Where do you get credit when you're around the football team? And I think football people get very, very uncomfortable when a guy like him is around when coaches are getting fired or if you were winning, he'd be right there. But when you lose, like today in the first half, all I could think about is like Kevin Warren's probably slithering out in his seat. Right. I don't want to sit next to polls or, you know, this new interim coach. Like this is not my problem.

But if things go well, they want there. Look at the 49ers are a good example. It's John and Kyle. And anything that happens is strictly on them. and they got an issue, they go right to Jed. And it's a streamlined process. And that's the way with every good organization. If Les and Sean McVey need something, they can go to the Kronky.

Now, they work with the president and you have good relationships, but it feels like to have a coach fired and have him lead the press conference is one of the more glaring things I've seen in recent memory. Shouldn't Ryan Poles be given this conference? Yes, yes. And I heard from a bunch of people in the league, all these candidates see that. And that's where you get a guy like Brable that goes, maybe I'll figure out and I can fake it for a year and then once I start winning I will take over.

But that's a turnoff to a lot of people. And the other thing is, and listen, and I'm guilty of this, I gave Caleb credit the last, I would say, three or four weeks. He has made some high-end plays. And the physical skills are undeniable. But is he a good player? Right? Because even last week against Detroit or on Thanksgiving, they were getting their ass kicked in the first half down 16-0. Yeah.

They have a lot. They scored 17 points in the fourth quarter against Minnesota. They have a lot of points when the game's kind of out of hand and they've come storm. That's why when the Niners are up like 30 to 6. I'm like, get ready. The Bears are going to score a couple touchdowns right now. That's when they do their work. So I, listen, he's very talented.

But that franchise has a lot of issues. And he's part of that. It's a team effort. And that's where Vrable, I'm not as dependent on my course. That's right. I'm going to build the team. I'm going to build the culture, the vision. Ben Johnson, a lot of guys, for every McVeigh and Kyle in the floor, we have seen countless offensive coordinators flop.

I would not be in the business the first time head coaches. Yeah. I think that's too risky given our situation. Well, look at the coaches who have succeeded taking over shipwrecks, Harbaugh with the Chargers, a talented mess with Brandon Staley. It was a talented mess. He did it with the Niners, too. Same situation back in the day. Culture builder. Dan Campbell. He's not a schematic genius. He's a culture builder.

So if you look at, well, you look at bad franchise, Damico Ryan's is another guy, good-looking, kind of stoic, intense. McVeigh, Rams were an absolute mess. McVeigh, good with schemes, but if you ask him, it's his presence, his ability to own the locker room. When you have a bad franchise or a franchise that's turbulent or in disarray, McVeigh to the Rams, Dan Campbell, Jim Harbaugh twice, it's not the schematic geniuses. You've got to change the culture. So Vrable has the physical element, which Dan Campbell and Harbaugh have. They're kind of physically intimidating. Mike Tomlin, I would say, is a culture coach, right? Jimmy Johnson had that. Jimmy was a personnel and culture changer. Some guy, Shanahan's about schematics. I think Matt LaFlewer can do both, but I think Matt's schematics are really good. I mean, he really really.

breaks down Jordan and then builds him back up. But I think Chicago's only choice. Ben Johnson, I don't think he has the personality, the gravitas to do it. I don't think of Cliff Kingsbury, those type of guys. They're not built for Chicago. You know, it's like, you know, it's like if, you just think about a family. Let's say a family's in disarray and they're, you know, and you're kind of like, what father figure, what parent could save a family that was in disarray? It wouldn't have to be the smartest or the most experience. It would be an ass kicker. Somebody that came in, put their arms around the kids, and we are changing the environment.

That's all football teams are. It's just young guys. It's family. It's young coaches. So I think we both agree. I think Vrable isn't, and by the way, unlike Belichick doesn't have to do, doesn't have to dominate personnel. He's not going to be bitter if he doesn't dominate personnel.

One thing about Dan Campbell and Jim Harbaugh uses examples. they're former players. So they have a little bit of, I think cockiness is probably the wrong way to describe it, but a willingness to be pretty, I would say, self-confident in their own beliefs because they've done it as a player. And I think their physical presence, and McVeigh, let's face it kind of feels like he played in the NFL for five years of a slot receiver. Right?

Same with Tomlin. Like, yeah, but he played in the NFL if you didn't know any better. And that's where, you know, the Ben Johnson's, the LaFlears, the copseys, the copseys, They are scheme driven. Yes. You know, and, you know, it took Kyle a couple years to build up. This is a different element, right? When you're building.

Look at Lincoln. If you handed Lincoln Riley a team with a bunch of good players, I bet the team would be good. Yeah. But if you've got to start from scratch, it gets a little more difficult. Yeah. Where Nick Saban bring it on. That's, he lives for that moment.

Yep. And that's where I think the bears have to be very, very careful. And anytime you have, Kevin Warren's, just look at his resume. It's all business stuff. He's going to have such a heavy hand in this. That report last week that Jim Harbaugh would have been interested in the job. Of course he would have been. But if Kevin Warren would not want no part of him, why? Because he would suck all the energy out of the room and get all the credit.

Even though that's what always has driven me crazy about football institutions. You know, in any other business, all you care about is like, hey, bring this guy on. We will make more money. We will have more success. It'll be good for everybody. We're in football. It's like, yeah, he probably is the best option. but it'll diminish my role,

even though I'll make the same amount of money, I won't get the credit, so we're not going to go down that road. Look at Atlanta. They are falling apart. Yeah. And listen, Rahim was a legit candidate, but they wanted no part of Belichick.

Why? Because those people in the building knew that they were going to get neutered. Yeah. And you're watching them now. You're like, they are in a free fall. Yeah.

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Good first half, and then Minnesota took over. I push back when you suggested that Minnesota may have to resign Sam Darnold. First of all, he's going to have a very tasty free agent market. Vegas, Giants, Tennessee minimum are going to at least look at it if they don't like Cam Ward. Shador Sanders will go number one to either Vegas or the Giants. I think he will. Not everybody's going to like Cam Ward. But if you look, in the last month, Darnold has 11 TD's no picks.

this receiving core plus T.J. Hawkinson, Jefferson and Addison had five touchdowns today. We've got to be honest about this. In the history of the league, you could put him in a very rich Gannon class. Like nobody believes in him to, he's a top three quarterback, top four quarterback in the league playing right now. I'm watching Darnold make plays today. And our thing was, though, I think we both felt the same. Big, strong, athletic, coachable tough kid. but his accuracy could be hit and miss. Well, Kevin O'Connell's taken the reckless out and elevated. You know, he's made it very intentional.

Sam goes back to pass. You get a very intentional play. And if he has to add, which he did today, he's fantastic. He's not Lamar or Josh, but he is way high end in this league. He is in the Justin Herbert class. Like, I'm going to move and I'm going to crank it. And I never thought this. He's had one stinker all year.

He had three, a couple picks against the Jags. They won that game. Remember that game down in Jacksonville? They were terrible in the red zone. So as stinker, they won. They could still be a number one seed. I think I'm sitting here thinking today, do you let him walk out of the building? I think at minimum right now, he's in the category.

If you don't want to do the long term, you got to franchise them, right? Now, the problem with franchising, it's $41 million for a quarterback. And unlike these contracts, you don't get to, push any of that off on, you know, years in the future. He has 28 touchdowns right now, Colin. They have four games left. He has 28 touchdowns and they're 11 and two. The one play you're we're alluding to when he scrambled around, he kind of did the 360, went across, threw it to Jefferson across his body. I thought that looked like Josh Allen. Yeah. And that was a play today. If you are the GM and the head coach, you go, this is exactly why we said, Kirk Cousins,

we're not in the market for you anymore because you don't one you've never had that in the bag but the version that we're seeing out of cousins cousin just got a hundred million dollars guaranteed he hasn't thrown a touchdown in four weeks and he's throwing picks just by the you know multiple picks every i mean he might be cooked like you saw today was a pivot point one guy's career feels like it's kind of headed toward the drain like is he even going to be starting next week yeah and the other guy is exploding and you you use Rich Gannon as your example. Rich Gannon did not have this level arm.

Rich Gannon did not. That was the knock on Rich, why a lot of people back in the day were like, you know, it was hard for Gruden to sell Al Davis on Rich because he liked those big armed quarterbacks, and that wasn't rich, but Rich was really accurate. Sam Donald, 68% this season, Colin? Crazy. 68%. Now, listen, he's going to turn the ball over a little bit.

He's got 10 picks. Probably end up with 13 or 14. How often do you watch him and you see him explode the ball down the field? Well, now that they're left tackles injured, the best two players on the Vikings are the two whiteheads. So those guys are thriving under Sam. How could you, I've said before, today is a great example. We threw five touchdowns against a team with a lot of good defensive secondary pieces. In your wildest dreams, you would desire JJ to become this player one day, to be that good what we witnessed today.

And the chances, based on the history of we all watching the NFL and knowing how hard this league is, it's less than 50% he's ever that good. Well, Sam currently is this good. And now has this, I would say, you know, resume of life in the league of building on calluses, going through adversity, being very confident in himself, but having humility to know how hard it is. Like, he's seen it all. He has seen the worst of the worst. and then with Kyle and now Kevin O'Connell, I understand that they drafted a quarterback, but sometimes things change.

Yeah. I mean, the 49ers drafted Trey Lance, and they pivoted in the blink of an eye to purdy. And sometimes you just, isn't that part, you start the volume, like pivot fast, right? I mean, you know, Sam Donald, yeah, so what, he's going to cost you a lot of money? If he's a top five or six quarterback in the NFC,

I mean, this year, how many NFC quarterbacks are better than him? He's better than Jalen Hertz right now. Well, we're talking about Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield had a good quarter today. but was awful for long stretches in the game. Awful. Gino Smith. Had like three turtles.

Yeah, Baker was awful. And that, by the way, and I've tried to be very positive with Baker because I was so rough on him early. But he can be really reckless, and you can't coach that out of him. He's just a different personality. He literally lives for Chip on his shoulder. Sam doesn't have that. Sam's not trying to prove anything other than I'm good. Sam's like a beach boy.

He's having a good time. He's a Oceanside, you know, linebacker basketball. Well, he's an athlete. He's a great kid. Baker's got that chip a mile long. Baker's battled his own family at times. It's part of his great fabric and his story I love. But Gino Smith, there's limitations. Baker is reckless. Darnold, you're getting a higher upside. I mean, I always thought Baker was a better pure pocket passer. This year, I'm not sure. And some of it's Justin Jefferson, but it's not like Mike Evans and Chris Godwin and the guys down there are bad either. I just think letting him walk out the door. What if he goes to an NFC team?

Yeah, to me, though, you know, use Baker as a good example. Aren't we all a little bit of product of our past? I mean, Baker was a walk-on at Texas Tech six feet tall. Sam Donald's 6'4 at USC. Yeah, you know, right. In the most turmoil time in the history of the program, leads him to 11 plus wins. Yeah. I mean, in the ugliness of the mid-2010s, he's a strapping big arm.

Like he's a blue chipper. won a Rose Bowl against the good Penn State team with a really bad college football coach and no pros around him. I mean, you go back to that year and it was hero ball. That's all it was. I'm pro Baker and he's really matured and he's become a good player. But the skill set of the two, Sam is the more dynamic player. And looking back, like if you did a redraft, yeah, I think both of them probably aren't going one and three, but clearly they've lived up to like they're going to play in the league for a long time. Sam's high end is higher than. Baker. Yes. Because his mobility.

Bigger. And I just think it's pretty clear. You watch Sam, he's got an explosive arm. Yeah. And on the move, he can really sling it. And that's the playmaking Minnesota. What limited that team the last couple years? You know, Cousins was a stagnant can't move if you

throw him off his spot. Sam's on face. Got an ad lib, no problem, let's rip. So now I want to go, and we don't have to spend as much time on these two games, because I want to talk a lot of college football playoff. Pittsburgh beats Cleveland, 2714, Russell Wilson, six and one as a starter, good on third down. Now, they didn't have Pickens today who, I don't know what, they said hamstring, but George Pickens wasn't around.

And there were real limitations. Like, this is one of these, you know how, like, A.J. Brown leads J.L. As much as J.L. Lied J. Brown. Like, A.J. Brown's got this weird stat. He's like the most instrumental wide receiver in the league. Like the team's different. Boy, George Pickens with Russ is dangerous. Without him today, I mean, they didn't do much. But again, this is the first time in years.

They don't make a lot of mistakes. They get to the line. They're pretty good on third down. I think Pittsburgh's going to have a hard time in a competition with a division with bro. You don't want to start over again. You got Burrough Lamar Jackson, hell, James Winston's productive. I don't know what Pittsburgh does. They have to sign him, don't they?

I thought Russell had two of his better throws this season on a couple touchdown passes in the red zone today. The tight end. Quick balls getting the ball out of his hand. You had a friar move on the one on another one, getting it kind of under a defensive back. I thought today was a really big moment for Russell because, like you said, I mean, George Pickett, it was kind of like Malone. in Stockton and that was his guy and then you remove him and early on you know the browns

clearly are going to play very well against these teams in the division they're very confident at home or on the road they are they're going to have the worst record in the league that every team has to take very seriously down the stress you're trying to make listen listen they missed field goals today they could have absolutely they're field goal kickers and shambles right okay they had a chance this could have been a final drive of the game uh contest i mean there's no question Cleveland was in this thing. James, so that's my take. Russell didn't play particularly well. They missed their star, but they beat a division rival, and he just doesn't make a lot of mistakes. Yeah, to me, if he's not turning the ball over and can be productive for you in the red zone, their defense, this franchise,

how they are able to find these defensive linemen. They had 95 today, had an interception on a screen pass from James. They have like three or four pass rushers outside of T.J. Watt. Cam Hayward, it's been in the league, it feels like for 20 years still making place. I mean, their franchise, I was wrong. I thought it was time for divorce. Yeah. And just time, like Andy Reed, Philly, it was time. That's what I thought.

And listen, and I also thought this, I thought going from Justin Fields to Russell Wilson was going to be an epic mistake. In the locker room. He has been such a major upgrade. And seeing some clips like Justin Fields still in it, maybe, listen, maybe sometimes every human being fails at different times. Some are more public than others. Maybe it was healthy for Russell.

Maybe it's just kind of changed him a little bit because he has, it feels like ingratiate himself with a group and a city and a friend. It's not easy to do. I mean, that's not exactly diva, you know, it's blue-collar working man team. And he feels kind of one of them. I mean, I take him pretty serious.

I was impressed today because I thought Cleveland early on was coming to play. James was making some plays. I'm like, Cleveland's confident against Pittsburgh. They just beat them a couple weeks ago. You're like, oh, this would be a bad loss. And they kind of hit the Jets. And all of a sudden, they were up a couple touchdowns and never looked back. Okay, Seattle 30, Arizona 18.

Seattle's now 8 and 5. They sweep Arizona, really dominate the game, ran the ball effectively. Kailer Murray had a couple ugly picks early in the game. You know, it's really interesting when I watch. Gino, again, you know, 24 of, I think 30, it would just, again, kind of stoic, sits in the pocket, makes the throws. I love Seattle's skill talent. I think they have two backs I like. Smith and Jigba Lockett's still banging around this league, which is crazy.

He was a gadget guy, and now it's a 10-plus career. I look at Seattle, they're going to make the playoffs now. It looks, I mean, they're 8 and 5. They have a 62% chance to make the playoffs. I got to tell you, this, as Pete Carroll hangs around the USC Inferno right now, I know deep down, Pete Carroll, we'd take that job in two minutes, is I think you and I put Gino below Baker and Sam Donald. Maybe you don't, but I don't think he's, I think there's.

I do. Yeah, so do I. This roster, I mean, they are missing a quarterback. Now, I thought they should have gone after Pennix last year. Parts of me think, I don't know what to do with Seattle. But, you know, I'm sitting there watching it today. this is Arizona's biggest game of the year. They just got hammered by Seattle.

Shit, Seattle took total control of the game in the first half. I felt like they sealed it early with picks. I think this coach is good. I think the roster's fairly, I think we don't know a lot of their players, but you go watch the way they came back and won against the Jets. You watch the way they went to Arizona. Young teams tend to be more emotional, John,

and Seattle's young in spots, but these young teams don't know what they don't know. I think Seattle's better than I thought. And before the season, you said, I said, give me a team. Denver was my team. No, Washington was my team. I thought was going to be better than everybody thought. And I said, give me a team that we're going to look up in week 15 and go, damn.

And yours was Seattle. Mine was Washington with the commanders. They had all new people. And I said, good. All the other people were awful. They've upgraded it everything, owner down. Would Seattle, if the Rams and Seattle played in the playoff, we would take Stafford to McVeigh, right?

Depends where the game was. I think you're understanding the coach as being good. I think he's awesome. I mean, look at Baltimore since he's left. Their defense last year was historic, and they've fallen apart, same players. They're awful now. And you watch Seattle as they've gotten guys back there, much better on defense. This was my favorite bet of the weekend, was them two and a half on the road.

One, they've just played well in Arizona for a long time. And two, you could tell this Arizona team had been leaking oil. Now, Kyler parlayes his two picks down the stretch in the last game, right back in the first quarter, throws two awful picks, and then unraveled on him fast. And once it's 24-10, it's like, you can tell with Arizona. When they're vibing and they show up, you're like, okay, it's going to be a game. When they get a little off-kilter, how about, listen, he is a freak talent. Like, you will, I don't think we'll ever see another five-foot-nine guy drafted number one overall again. Now, granted, Bryce went to, and Bryce has looked a lot better.

Yeah. But Kyler is truly, you know, his version of like Bo Jackson or Dion Sanders, just physical talent. It's all-time great. But his body language, when he plays bad early, he kind of can go in the tank. Yes. And your quarterback, you know, we're talking about Buffalo early. They're getting their ass kicked. And Josh keeps his head up and keeps swinging.

Kind of just kind of gets mopey. And that was the knock on him. And it felt like he had matured a little bit. And it's like he kind of went back in the tank today. And that's, you saw Seattle, you know, that's the thing they got with Gino. It's like he cannot play well. And it feels like for the most part, his body language is pretty solid. Yeah, even when he feels terrible.

When Gino makes a mistake, nobody feels worse than Gino. He's got a good heart. He is, he's got leadership qualities. You can tell us, teammates in the sideline, love him. Gino Smith has limitations, but it's not leadership. It's not work ethic. It's not attitude. Gino Smith bust his ass every week.

He really, and he really appreciates this opportunity. The one thing with Seattle, Colin, is their schedule. These next two weeks, they are Packers, Vikings. Now, they're both in Seattle, but that's going to be tough. You're getting the Packers who, I would say, are going to come into this. I mean, there's a big game for them. We've got to lick their wounds after that Lions game, right? because now they're nine and four.

They feel destined for a wild card spot. That's a big moment for them. In Minnesota, I don't know how they do it, but they feel like they're going to end up winning 14 games. Then they play the Bears and then they play the Rams. Now, if the Rams beat the Niners this week, that game, Week 18, could be the Sunday night winner get in for the division, right? You know, two nine win teams, whoever wins gets 10 and wins the division.

The other team might be on the outside looking in, I even get a wild card spot. So I think if Seattle wins one of these, next two games, they're going to win the division. If they lose both of them and the Rams beat the 49ers, I think we got, you know, a division on our hands. I take Seattle pretty seriously. I think they're coaching staff, head coached the stud. Ryan Grubb clearly is really good. The dude they took from DeBore, who had never coached in the pros. And Gino hasn't really, you know, he's looked exactly like he has the last couple of years. If not even, he's been a little more consistent. What can they do

this year is like they're a little more hammer the run. I mean, today, Charbonnet, his a backup running back had 125 plus yards. And like you said, if they get Walker, to me, if they're going to be taken seriously, like, and win a playoff game and win this division, that his injuries have been a little bit of a problem. If they can keep him healthy, their offense of skill guy minus the quarterback is as good as any, like, it's like Eagles level, right? With their wide receivers, the tight end, multiple running backs. Walker runs so hard. He's the kid that led college football. football at Michigan State, yards after contact. He just, he runs so hard. He hurts himself. He's got a little

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Devante Adams and Garrett Wilson combined for 16 catches and over 220 yards. Aaron looked good, first half and second. They played much better than I thought. They had a chance to win this game. But the reason I think it's interesting, and two, I had a good afternoon. But the Jets average six and a half yards, and Aaron was on his game. So we should say that, but they still lost. And so the draft order today is Raiders.

and I assume they'll take Choudoir Sanders. Giants, the question is, do they go after a Darnold or is it Cam Ward? New England, Panthers, Jaguars, Titans, Jets at 7 actually probably go and either get Kelvin Banks, the Texas tackle, or Will Campbell, the LSU tackle. That's a fairly predictable draft pick. But it's interesting because I was looking at the draft order as I watched the Jets and the dolphins, and it's getting very defined now. Like the Raiders and the Giants, they're bad teams.

Let's talk about the Jets before we get into this. Miami's not going to make the playoffs. I mean, again, Aaron tore him apart today. He was even two for two on Fort Down. They're going to get a new coach. Now, as I said earlier with the Bears, they need a culture coach. I think that's exactly what the Jets need. And now Vravel said he was interested.

this week in the Jets as long as he liked the general manager. I'm just going to ask you straight out, because I don't think the dolphins are really that much of a story. I think the Jets, like the Bears, are dysfunctional, but there's some really good players on both teams. Where do the Jets go for a coach? Because they'll have the seventh pick. They'll be able to address one of their, I mean, I think it's a pretty good team.

I think they need to get a young, you know, they have one tackle in from Penn State, right? They need another one. Jets, your thought on coach and quarterback going forward. Well, I've been saying this for a while. I think the next head coach of the Jets is going to be Rex Ryan. I don't think you're wrong. He's been politicking for this job.

Mike Tannenbaum, I've known for a while, is now running the search. He was Rex Ryan's general manager when they had some success. Phil Savage, who I think you know as well as their current interim GM, work with Rex in Baltimore. Rex has been going on every single news at. Like, he wants this job. And from all reports, him and Woody did not have a bad relationship when he got fired. It was, remember, they hired IZIC.

And it was one of those. He let his GM make a decision. But like the most success the Jets have had in my adult life, I'm 40, was by four with this guy. This franchise had sucked. They had a little moment with Herm Edwards. I remember in the early 2000s. But what was that like one and done in the playoffs? Yeah.

Like Rex was beating Belichick in the playoffs. I just think he gives them a little, can handle the media, gives them a presence. Like obviously I would be interested in Brable as well. That would make a lot of sense. But this is where it gets difficult with a guy like Brable. Because he just had a situation when they fired John Robinson and brought in the new GM. It got weird for him fast. And these guys aren't comfortable.

It was why, and I know you talked about Kyle Shanahan getting traded to the Bears, Kyle Shanahan would do a swan dive off the Golden Gate Bridge before he answered the Ryan Pulse and Kevin Warren. You know why? Because when the 49ers hired Kyle Shanahan, it was very, very difficult for them to find a match. They were interviewing a bunch of number twos, and he's like, I don't really want to work with it. I don't know this guy. How about my guy, John Lynch? That's how John Lynch became the GM?

These guys, they're not addicted to power. They just want to be comfortable with the guy. They spend more time within their wife. It's a weird. That's where it's like, well, Phil Savage is already the interim. He knows Rex really well. You can already see it coming. And it's kind of an easy move for the Jets.

A lot of these teams don't fire coaches. Because I don't think their coach or their owner wants to go on a search. All these guys, they don't really know. Once you hire enough coaches, you know, it doesn't, Ben Johnson, you could have the greatest offense since Bill Walsh. That doesn't translate into them becoming a head coach. When the Eagles hire Andy Reed, in 1998 or 9 or whatever.

The reason they did it, he wasn't even technically the coordinator with Green Bay. They had done a long study that being a coordinator does not directly tie to just guarantee success. That's why sometimes special teams coaches have got more opportunities over the years because there is, we're dealing with human beings here. It's why the draft stats and where you can, none of it means Josh Allen begged for scholarship offers from Fresno State and San Diego State. They wouldn't call them back. This is all, like, hit and miss, left and right. You never know. And same thing with a head coach.

Like, it's a lot, when Ben Johnson, when James and Williams gets suspended or gets pulled over because they got three Glocknines in the car. It's not his problem. That's Dan and the GM deal with that. You just keep on scheming, buddy. When you're the head coach, that comes to your desk immediately. Hey, we need a decision. What are we doing? And that's where to me, you get guys, the Jets and the Bears, both those two teams have to hire a guy who's been a head coach before.

They have to. because there's those markets, the pressure, the Aaron Rogers decision is not easy. If he just doesn't retire, he's under contract. He has no trade value. Right. Right. So it's like, you know, if you tell me Rex or Rable,

I could see them just handling him for a year. Yeah. Right? Because like it's just, it'd probably be somewhat easy. And also. You can't unload the contract. He might have a draft pick high enough to get a guy you want. He'd also have power.

It'd be the first year before your deal. Woody Johnson likes him. Sala was somewhat powerful. powerless because Aaron came in. Aaron's the star. Aaron's got the ring and Sala had a losing record. So I think that's, I think Rex Ryan would come in. He'd handle him for a year. I think I think Vrable to the Bears and Rex Ryan to the Jets. I said this three weeks ago in my show. It makes sense. I would, I would have no problem hiring Rex Ryan. I think for these tire fires, you need a culture changer. I mean, we just saw it in our election. You know, you don't have to be politically

correct. You can offend some people. But if you're viewed as somebody who can change. You know, orchestrate change. You don't care about the criticism. You're big, bigger than life. You've got that Captain America shield up front. It doesn't bother you. Rex Ryan's got thick skin. He can be joyful and playful and funny when you're ripping him. I think it works. Yeah. I mean, I just think it's going to be the move. I really do. And, you know, I think this is, listen, we can nitpick the bills and they are judged against the Chiefs and the Ravens. But I feel pretty confident they're going to keep. dominating this division for the foreseeable future. All right. Let's talk college football. The 12 team playoff has come out. Listen, let's get the one thing out of the way. I think Bama is better than SMU.

But Bama doesn't have an argument. I watched them get completely shelled against a Oklahoma team that was two and six in conference with like a minus 79 point differential in conference. Oklahoma was a bad team. And they got, I mean, literally. overrun by them. So I don't have any problem. Again, the regular season has to mean something. Yes, Bama's beaten more good teams. If Bama got in, I wouldn't lose any sleep if SMU did not. But I felt the same way both ways. I would have taken probably a Bama, but SMU after a really

hard-fought loss, kind of felt like the move. And I also think, listen, Bama's not consistent enough to be a national champion. SMU is not going to be a national champion. SMU may be a better story. It's better for the sport, big picture. I don't think anybody on the heels of Alabama's 15-year dynasty is losing sleep because they don't get in. I don't disagree, but if I was part of the SEC, here's what I would say. College football, I mean, based on the numbers, has never been more popular. Yeah. Like more people consistently have never watched more. And the SEC ratings have been insane. So we are carrying the popularity of this sport as a conference and have carried the sport really for a long time now and we only get three

teams in that's where you can just see them even if it is justified as it is in this situation all these teams old miss lost to kentucky if any of these cc teams is 10 and 2 they are easily in over smu we all agree yeah but like we want guarantees and this is where i think college football is going to go if i'm the big 10 who like the cc is carrying college football with ratings. The ACC is simply not. I want to know because getting into the playoffs is very financial, viable for the conference. Right. Right. That's the same thing with the NCAA tournament. And now we only get, we only get one difference. Like the difference of us in the SEC and the ACC is one team. That seems crazy. Yeah. Like I watch an unhealthy amount of college football. The

gap between the two. Huge. It's Grand Canyon wide. So even if you could justify it records and everything. That's a big picture problem for me if I'm great saying. Yeah, I get it. We need some assurances. And this is where like the NFL, you know, what do tiebreakers go? Conference record. It's impossible to do tiebreakers and everything in college football because the SEC goes, my eight and four, what is that worth in the in the ACC? Am I 10 and two in the ACC? Like by Big 12, Arizona State's an incredible story. What would their record be if I put them playing LSU, Bama, Ole Miss, Arkansas? You know, so it's it's not apples to apples at all.

And that's the hard part. I think we all agree on that, even if we go, yeah, SMU deserves it. But it's like it's a little out of whack. Now, it's first year. I'm not going to complain that much. I don't feel that bad. And I think the committee wanted Alabama because I do think Alabama, the needle moves a little more when you got Alabama playing. Because whose SMU is playing Penn State?

Yeah. Alabama Penn State is just a better television product. Yeah. So here's the one that really cracked me up. So the regular season, the committee said the regular season matters. We're not going to give Bama three losses, two of which are Mulligans, Vandy and Oklahoma. But yet in Oregon has the most impressive regular season and arguably the most impressive championship game performance. George is up there as well. They get the winner of the Tennessee, Ohio State game, which is a team capable of winning the national championship. Then they could face Texas than Georgia. How did Penn State get an easy? route. They lost it home to Ohio State and got hammered by Oregon. I think they have, now they play another game. I think they have a much easier route than Oregon. I thought Oregon kind of got hosed. Yeah, to me, them copying the basketball bracket where you're forced to play team instead of the NFL bracket where you recede by the round. To me, you've got to change football-wise, receive by the round. Yes, yes. Because Oregon has the only undefeated team, clearly if you just watch the,

in the second best conference. And they get stuck with Ohio State, Tennessee? That seems pretty outrageous. I thought so. Because if they could pick the opponents, I think there's a decent chance that Ohio State would be the last opponent they would want to play. Maybe Notre Dame second. Tennessee would be high up there too.

Like the SMUs, the Clemsons, you got a receipt. Now, this is where I'm not going to freak out year one. Same. You got to figure it out. But you cannot keep this. How can Boise and ASU. potentially get easier opponents than Oregon. Well, I mean, Penn State.

Now, I think they would say Oregon's going to play the Rose Bowl. Like, that's where their game's going to be. I think in the, like, their home game. So, you know, it's kind of regionality. Yeah, playing Ohio State potentially, that's pretty different. Yeah, and Ohio State will fill half that stadium. I mean, Penn State gets SMU and Boise State. I mean, potentially.

It's like, Jesus. They, the biggest game of the year at home, they lost to Ohio State. And, I mean, they got pushing. around. I mean, they could not stop Oregon. I just thought Penn State, and I understand punishing, if you flip Penn State and Ohio State in the playoff, I'd be, I think it's more fair. Now, Ohio State, again, the Michigan loss was not only bad, not only at home, but it made you question the entire program. Like when Penn State lost Ohio State, you didn't question the program. You're like, well, Ohio State's better. That Michigan, I mean, listen, if you want to ask

yourself who's getting punished. It's Ohio State. I think Tennessee is the sleeper national championship picking this thing. I thought Herb Street had a good point during the show when they released the bracket of, you know, Ohio State maybe would rather go on the road because a couple early three and outs, maybe you're down seven nothing, ten nothing, that place will turn on you fast because that group's edgy. That group's already pissed off. Yeah. Like in a weird at 10 and 2 hosting a playoff game is a major disappointment. You know, watching that game last night, I thought it was so insane that Clemson is now in the playoffs and Miami's just long gone, even though all season Miami was like a top five or six

team. And then Penn State, by takeaway with Penn State, Oregon's tough and that's their skill group is better top to bottom. I think Penn State has their front seven full NFL guys. Yes. Best tied in in the country. They have a 1-2 running back combination. Quarterback, a little all over the map, but he is extremely talented.

And you saw a couple passes where you, whoa, that's a top 10 pick. And then you saw a couple other passes. You're like, that's a six-rounder. Right. But you never really know what you're going to get with them. But they have a lot of talent on their team. Like to me, if the quarterback has a B-plus, A-minus game, they can play with most anyone in this tournament. I'm with you on Tennessee.

Their defensive lines really good. And what's Ohio State's problem right now? Well, they're offensive, he's had a guy terrible Achilles. They've missing out. That could be a rough, I'm telling you, that place could start booing if it's like 10-0-0 in the second quarter. The weather forecast for this weekend in Columbus is 40 degrees and wet. It's not playing to a finesseed down-the-field team.

So Will Howard, who's been hot and cold in big games, it's 40 degrees, the pressure's on, you'll be favored. and Tennessee D-line and Ohio State O'Line, if you're forced to run the ball against Tennessee, that's got a 17-13 feel to it. That's not going to be a high-scoring game, in my opinion. One thing that's going to be, you know, for the most part in college, you get a couple, and you hammered this home when they went,

when the West Coast teams got in the Big Ten. There aren't as many cold-weather games as you think. In the NFL there are. Why? They play all through December, through January. Yeah. college football usually ends home games the last week in November. And then they go to warm weather bowls.

That's right. So that's where this changed because they don't, they're playing in two weeks, right? And it's Friday night, Saturday night at South Bend and at Ohio State, which makes sense. I mean, two of the biggest brands. Those are going to get huge ratings. Plus the NFL play Saturday. So it gets a little lost in the shuffle, you know, like Texas, the Texas game and the Penn State game are going up against like Ravens. dealers. So, you know, but those two night games are going to be by themselves. It could be

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There was a, when they went to overtime and the Texas series, they do, they throw the ball out of the end zone, then they do a fade pattern, and then they throw it out in the flat against, you know, Georgia's linebackers and corners are NFL guy. I mean, Georgia's got a first round safety, a first round corner, a first round defense. And it's like, you're not going to beat in the flat. You're not going to be Georgia for the last eight years. I thought for an offensive coach, Sark, I hated the overtime Texas play calling. I thought it was awful. Listen, I've been one of his biggest critics. I will defend him. I don't think he trusts his

quarterback at all. And I don't blame him because I don't think he's very good. And early on in that game, when actually he wasn't playing that bad and Georgia was a little show shock, instead of being up 17 to 3. It's 6 to 3. Yeah. And then as the game went on, I thought Uers became much more to who he's kind of become this season as very, very average. Yes. And he's just not an explosive player. He's not a good playmaker. That's a great line. He's a former scout. You're nailing it. When I watch him, he's not an explosive player. No, he's just, he's not a playmaker. Like you watch one thing Bryce Young, his comeback story, he's starting to make plays. Yes. Right.

Most decent quarterbacks can make throw a slant route or an out route from the pocket. But half the plays you're going to have to scramble. You're going to have to move. You're going to have to throw in the run. You might have to break a tackle. And you watch Quinn Ewers, he cannot do any of that. So as the game goes on, what does George do? They start getting pressure on him.

He starts getting sacked. He's not a very dynamic guy. Carson Beck, like one thing when the other guy, Gunner Stockton, what an incredible name, by the way, comes in. He is so mobile that he can just keep plays alive. they don't have that. Texas does have that with Arch Manning. Now, I don't know if Sark believes he's as good of a passer right now as Quinn yours, clearly by not playing him. You've already paid Quinn the NIL, but I think they have no shot to win the national championship with him at quarterback. You remove him if every team just has the same quarterback. If you put all 12 teams equal quarterback, Texas has as good of a chance to win the national championship as anybody. You watch Oregon last night. That little quarterback, look like Tua did at Alabama. I mean, some of the throws he was making

it's like, this guy is playing quarterback in college better than all these guys. Yeah, I think. And that's a huge advantage. Obviously, Oregon has really good skill guys better than Georgia. You watch Bowers. I mean, he's making, they miss Bowers in McConkey,

but still, Dylan Gabriel right now is playing the best at quarterback for all these teams, even though Georgia, Texas, like they have a bunch of talent, but their quarterback plays shitty. Yeah, and it's really interesting. When I watch George, They have an incredible defensive lineman, McAil Williams.

They have a great safety. When I watched Georgia, I mean, they're running backs last night. They're bringing in second, third, fourth. They are running. That second half, it was violent. They are running over guys. You know, with Texas, I know they have a bunch of good players. And Kelvin Banks, who got hurt is a really, really good tackle.

But it's funny. When I watched Michigan win the Natty last year, they had Will Johnson. at Corner, Mason Graham, Blake Corum, J.J. McCarthy. They had about six players that even in a game against Ohio State, you're like, wow, those are great players. Georgia's national championship teams. It can be Pickens, Brock Bowers, Ladd McConkey. It can be one of, you know, Jalen Carter. Jalen Carter. Jalen Carter. Yeah. In Bama. Ohio State has four or five guys like that, many at receiver. Caleb Downs for Ohio State, the kid they got from Bama, he'll be the number one. pick next year. He's an insane generational talent. When I watch Texas, this is weird, John.

They got a bunch of good players. But I watched that offense and I'm like, they have good backs. They have good receivers. I don't see a lot of wow. And I know it's a really good roster. But if you look at national championship teams, Michigan last year, Georgia teams, you know, when Clemson was winning, you'd have like a Mike Williams, you'd have a Trevor Lawrence, you'd have a linebacker that you're like, oh, okay, that's different. Even in the game against Bama, that player's different. ATM, the running back for Clemson. Yeah, yeah.

I look at Texas, and I know this sounds crazy because their recruiting's been great, but I just don't see enough, wow. I see very good everywhere, but they couldn't score against Texas A&M. They can't move the ball against George in the first half. That's with Sark and an NFL quarterback and the best left tackle in the sport. Yeah, they should be able to run. the ball better. Number 26, I mean, he should average like 100 yards a game. I mean, that's one element. I mean, I think sometimes the depth this gets back to these top teams are not 10 deep,

like they don't go, you know, back to back with their backup offensive line are not future pros. And that's where I think when you look at these former teams, Clemson in their heyday in the late teens, beating Alabama, they were going too deep with pros getting drafted. Yes. Sabin's team forever. The last of Kirby, like this version of Kirby, like this version of Kirby, teams relative to the back, don't even have anything in common. Right. I think Michigan's team last year would easily win the national championship again. Easily.

Even Washington last year that lost in the Natty. I mean, you were looking at Roma Dunzee, Michael Pennix, they're receiving core. Up and down their receive. They had a right tackle and an interior offensive lineman. You were like, you could just tell. This is like eight really good players. team was real. And I think is that a little bit why, you know, at first I thought Belichick was just interviewing with North Carolina to just, you know, it's like the guy who's trying to impress the

girl and brings another girl to the party to get people to notice them. You just want to show NFL teams like, hey, I'm talking to people. And then you start reading like, what if he realizes it actually might be a little easier in college because the parody is there. Yeah. And it's not like, I'm not at a huge disadvantage most of the time. And you watch in college football like, like you said, Tennessee is a good value. Notre Dame, if the quarterback just said, all these teams, would it shock you, like, in theory, Oregon is the best team, but then you look at the bracket, how hard it's going to be. Plus, like, I don't take Boise and ASU seriously.

I expect both them to get knocked out. But I would say of all the, the SEC and the Big Ten, like Indiana, they'll be one and done. But I think, you know, Georgia could win any game, could lose any game. Texas could easily be, like, I could see them look like shit. Yeah. Who knows? I mean, I think it's all on the table. which makes this tournament pretty intriguing.

Maybe the transfer portal and the NIL spreading out makes the 12-team bracket even that much more intriguing. Because back in the day, you put a Pete Carroll USC, a Knicks-Save in their heyday, they would kick the shit out of all these teams. Wouldn't even be fun. Yeah, no, I think that's the benefit of the transfer portal is that nobody has depth. Even the top teams. Just you lose a left tackle at Ohio State, then you move a guard to left tackle, then your interior lineman gets hurt. You get weak. you have a unit that is a liability very quickly in college football now.

Do you think I haven't heard your take on the Belichick, North Carolina? Do you think that's more just trying to prove or do you think there's some real substance behind that? I think he wants to get his son the job. His son's at Washington. I think he wants to get his son a head coaching job. And I think Bill is so big on the East Coast. People out West don't care, but people out East do.

I don't think he would have to have an incredibly young collegiate staff. which I'm not sure he has the patience for. I just don't know if he has the patience. You know, Bill was always the grinder. It was always sacrificed for the team. Shit, kids aren't sacrificing now. They'll bounce in a second. Now, do I think schematically, I mean, Charlie Weiss was schematically excellent.

He just couldn't recruit. He just didn't want to get out there. Bill's not going to, you know, Bill will do some private jet stuff, but Bill, Bill's not going to be on the road. He views himself as he should as a different level. Andy Reed, again, is a funnier guy, a more social guy. I don't think he'd want to be on the road recruiting. Did you see Albert Breers report about how many homes Deion Sanders has been in the last 18 months?

Uh-uh. Zero. Because in this day and age, they used to have rules. Like when I worked at Fresno State, only like six or seven of your guys were eligible to go recruit and go into someone's home. Now there are no rules. Anyone, you could hire a recruiting staff, you know, former players that just go recruit. You don't have to go. into homes anymore. And it makes sense. Like when I, when I saw, they technically had like a

early recruiting signing day a couple days ago, right? And some of these kids were saying like, you know, this guy just recruited me. No, you got paid the most money. The game is completely changed. And maybe Bill, who views it much more from a strategic business mindset of like, hey, if you give me 10 plus million NIL funds, I feel I have a pretty good idea. I can bring a couple of my guys from the NFL to figure out how to allocate this pie. I'll pick the players. And maybe he views it much more, because it is, it has much more of an NFL feel. Now, the difference is, like, when I sign you to a three-year deal, you're under contract.

Right. You know, in college, these guys, as someone texts me around college, he's like, if you've noticed some of these random teams, and I didn't, did a kid just won't play the last couple weeks? You know, on a team that's like going to be six and six, they'll just be sick. Yeah. Well, they're transferring. Yeah. And they'll just go to the coach on Wednesday or Thursday of like week 11 when the team's not going anywhere.

coach, I just don't feel great. I'm out. And that's happening all over the place. Before, I mean, that guy would just keep playing. I said this before about like Kyle McCord transferring. In the history of the sport, Kyle McCord just would have been Ohio State's quarterback again. And what if he just would have taken the next step? And all of a sudden, Ohio State was 12 and 0 in the number one seat.

But instead, they kick him out. Everyone's so quick to move. We're in the NFL. Sometimes you just have to keep a guy because you drafted him high and he improved. Yeah. And now in college, you know, coaches and players are just so quick to like point the finger at the other guy and bounce or basically cut them. And it reflects when you watch these teams because, listen, the games are still fun. But you can feel that these teams aren't as good, the high-end teams as they've been.

Oh, no, no, I mean. I don't even think, like, is this the best Oregon team in the last 15 years? I don't think so. I don't think so. No, I mean, the other thing is players in college are leaving now, and it's not that they're not productive. USC just lost a kid Sam Green. He was playing a ton. He was a, I think he was a red shirt freshman or a freshman.

He was playing a ton. Somebody offered him more money. Bottom line, somebody played USC and went, you know, could be a Penn State. The kids from that part of the country. So kids aren't even disgruntled. They're leaving. You're getting cherry-picked. Penn State could go, hey, we're losing like all of our,

we're losing four really good guys up front. That Sam Green kid, we lost out to USC. Let's just go buy him. So a guy doesn't even have to be disgruntled. Can you imagine the NFL if you didn't have contracts? And you're like, let's just make a bid on a great left tackle. You know, one thing I was talking to a buddy that said that the top end of this draft is not very good. It's not.

And I said, isn't that a back-to-back couple years now where it's just it doesn't feel loaded with guys? Are we concerned? Like, do we have any theories? And I started thinking, I wonder if guys now bouncing left and right, you don't develop as you used to just being in a program for three or four years, consistent practice, consistent. consistent training. Well, now guys are just mercenaries on the move. The other thing is more guys are playing baseball. Moms don't want their kids to play football.

Now, it doesn't matter in the South or Texas or maybe Pennsylvania. But there is lower high school football turnout. And a lot of these great athletes are looking at these baseball contracts and going, you guys get 10-year baseball contracts. So I think it's the mom. You know, moms are like, hey, I don't want my son playing football. And I'm not picking on moms. That's just been discussed, right?

Right? Like that's been... But is the O-line D-line doing that? You know, are six-foot-six, 300-pound guys playing baseball? Well, I still think... They just don't exist. I still think there's a lot of good football players. And again... For sure.

I think high school football turnout has decreased. And by the way, the NFL smartly, 10 years ago, I talked about this on my show, targeted moms in their ads. About 10 years ago, the NFL was around that CTE stuff. those, remember when that was getting the big payouts for CTE, the NFL pivoted and said, hey, we have to make sure that both parents are into football. And by the way, it is worked. It is remarkable.

The number of women who love football, it's half the league's fans. It's like 50-50 last time I looked. So this has been a point, a real distinction. The NFL has tried to own the household. You know, not just dad and dad loves it. Nope, that's not what it is. anymore. They want everybody. And I think that's part of it. And the other thing is, to your point, I think players aren't as developed. I think, listen, it's like anything else.

If you're bouncing around for money and not management, you're never going to be quite as good. I don't care if it's an AI or tech or football. If you had four bosses in six years, I mean, look at you at our company. You just keep developing, getting bigger, bigger, bigger. Part of it is the salespeople know, John. It takes a year or two for the salespeople to get aligned. And we know you. And then we can build your YouTube page. Everything takes growth. You know, my first couple years at IHeart Radio weren't as good as the last four. Everything. It's a hierarchy you have to build. It's a staff you have to build. So to your point, when some of these players are bouncing around, a lot of times they get the money and they get a worse coach. They get a worse position coach. It's Brady's point

that he hammers nonstop, like going through some challenges in college is a healthy thing. Like, you learn a lot about yourself and improve because in the NFL, it's really hard. Yeah. So it's easy to get in the tank. Look at Bryce Young, who I would have bet against falling off a cliff. He was mentally prepared for the challenges why he had spent three years next to Nick. Yep. You know, and who knows, you know, back in this modern day to, you know, Jalen.

I know Jalen transferred at the end to Oklahoma, but he was there for a couple years, essentially, it's the backup going back and forth. That had to benefit all those guys. Yep. No question about it. All right. John Middlkov, former NFL scout, three and out podcast on a stacked weekend. Good stuff.

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