The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast - Lane Kiffin to NFL? Kalen DeBoer-Alabama, Texas-Georgia

Episode Date: November 13, 2025

Colin Cowherd is joined by Josh Pate to react to the latest in college football. They start off talking about Fernando Mendoza's game winning drive for Indiana against Penn State. Was that Mendoza's Heisman moment and how will that impact Indiana's season going forward? They talk about the job Kalen DeBoer has done at Alabama taking over for Nick Saban and give their picks for Alabama-Oklahoma. USC plays Iowa this weekend, Colin & Josh give their prediction and say how USC can sneak into the College Football Playoff. Texas & Georgia square off, how much pressure is on Arch Manning & Steve Sarkisian to win on Saturday? Will Lane Kiffin leave Ole Miss for the NFL? Lastly they discuss Ohio State's chances to repeat as National Champions and how that impacts the SEC.   Timeline: 03:00 Fernando Mendoza & Indiana 07:45 Kalen DeBoer & Alabama 14:00 Oklahoma-Alabama 21:30 Iowa-USC 30:00 Texas-Georgia 33:00 Lane Kiffin to NFL 46:15 Ohio State Buckeyes All lines provided by hardrock.bet (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates!  #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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They've always been executives because I probably absurdly have always fashioned myself is if I didn't do this, I'd want to be a GM. Not a coach, not a player. I like all the architecture of building stuff. and when you talk to them about players, I remember when Josh Allen came out of Wyoming. And I would talk to GMs and they're like,

okay, did you see the throw against, you know, it wasn't against Oregon or Iowa. There's a throw. And it's remarkable how often it's a play a moment, a drive, and a scout goes, okay, the Penn State game for Sam Darnold at the Rose Bowl. That's the one everybody went, whoa, whoa, this is different. Fernando Mendoza, so first, of all, he was going to go to Yale. He settled on Cal. So the kids obviously, and Indiana is a good

school. So we know he's got brain power. We know he's six five. We know all that stuff. That last drive on the road, Penn State, couldn't run, face the defense, made three throws, the one in the back of the end zone. Like, I'm like, okay, that's a Sunday player. That's not, that's not normal. That's Herbert at Oregon, you know, carrying average people around him, not average, but because I think, I think Indiana's got good players. They don't have Ohio State guys, maybe. But I watched that drive and I'm like, oh, he has to come out. That's the number one player in college football. I don't care about Ohio State's linebackers and corners. That's the impression it had on me. It was just sitting on the couch going, oh my God, this looks like Sunday.

What was your takeaway on it? I thought it was, they were very, very, few moments like this, but I was watching it in an airport. First off, seeing a big sporting moment, seeing a big football moment in an airport, it's always unique because it's really a unique setting, and you're not there often if you cover the game. So that was, number one, was just the takeaway of how surreal it is that, wow, the entire world's fixated on Indiana football in this moment. I thought it was one of those moments where you see someone come of age, like you know someone's got potential. And then all of a sudden it just happens. And sometimes it's just a moment.

Like sometimes guys just hit a lucky shot or make a lucky throw. But you don't get lucky three times like that on the same drive. It's something that's in you. It's potential you have. And it's not that he hasn't shown flashes. If you're paying attention to college football, you can know about him. If you're paying attention to the mock drafts, you know about him. But you've been waiting for that.

Okay. So like you were talking about scouting there. I've always sort of disagreed with the approach. of boiling down a player in your mind to, like, highlight culture. Like, I think of one or two throws. I've always wanted to shave the best and the worst off and take what's in the middle, and that's the player, and that's hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of plays. But with Mendoza, he's lesser known.

To the general public, you just, I guarantee you, there's a whole army of college football fans out there that know the name Fernando Mendoza, and they know he's the quarterback in Indiana. They probably hadn't even watched him a whole lot. That was when they saw him. And that matters for your Heisman crowd, but that also matters for that locker room. It's one thing to go in there and win 38 to 10. Like A&M just went and took care of Missouri, and Marcel Reed didn't have to do on that Saturday

what Fernando Mendoza did. And I just could not help, but in the moments afterwards, go back to Oregon last year. Oregon just goes wire-to-wire undefeated. Yeah, that had one, like close games early before they got their act together, and they go undefeated and they're totally clean. and they go in the playoff, first round by, and then they get Ohio State, and they just get drug. And that was the first time they really tasted their blood.

And Indiana looked like they were on a trajectory to maybe do that. And instead, they didn't have to suffer the consequences of loss, but they dealt with something. They dealt with having to crawl over broken glass to get a win. And, I mean, I'm never going to be in a major college football locker room as a player, but I cannot imagine what that flight home was like. I can't imagine what it's like to look in the mirror, man, as him. Just look in the mirror.

Everyone's been talking you up. But sometimes there can be a little imposter syndrome. There can be a little self-ed-out. There can be none of that with him anymore. It was amazing to watch. Yeah, great second half. Penn State marched up and down the field with their backup quarterback over and over and over. And you were like, oh, my, we got, we got, I almost tweeted, who's your daddy?

I was so close to the play on words. I was like, we're going to get an upset. And then he took that ball. And I was just like, wow, that's impressive. You know, this weekend, Oklahoma, Bama, I like Bama, Iowa, USC, I think it's 27, 26, either way. Iowa was a tough matchup on USC. Texas, Georgia, I'll take Georgia. When the rankings came out this week, I want to talk about Kaelin DeBore.

That's what I want to talk about. So I said, when Saban left and Kailen DeBore took over, I said, that's the greatest handoff in the history of college football. Generally, you give it to somebody on the staff, because that's what the players want. It doesn't work. Or you bring in somebody, and the culture doesn't work. You're just a winning guy. And Kalyn DeBoer,

Sioux Falls, Fresno State, Washington, he was 25 and 3. People assumed, well, it's Bama. He didn't have to rebuild anything. I say, no, time out. That's a whole different ballgame. This is Bama, NIL. That's a lot of timeout. a whole different ball game. Secondly, he is different than Nick. And there's going to be things he likes, coordinators he does, doesn't. I'm like, he was almost punished because everybody thought

Nick handed him a Rolls Royce. And I'm like, no, he handed him a used Rolls Royce. It wasn't as dominant as it was two years earlier. Georgia now had his good or better players. And the NIL world had changed. Texas now could just buy players. So if you watch Bama and you watch Calan DeBoer with quarterbacks. I think Ohio State's the best team I've seen. I think Bama's two. I think Bama is the second best team in the country. I don't think Indiana quite has the personnel.

A&M's beaten a lot of teams that fire their coaches. So I'm not quite sure I buy that yet. They haven't played like Ole Miss, Oklahoma, Georgia, Bama. What do you make a Kalin DeBore, the doubters, the critics, and where they are? I mean, a lot of the doubt and the criticism was just folks wanting Alabama to fall off. It's been a long time since you could really take reasonable shots at Alabama. And I grew up in the South, so like I know the vibe about Alabama around the South. So there's some of it where people are kind of wishcasting.

They're hoping that they're right about doubting Kaelin DeBore. And then there was another crowd that just flat out, you know, thought that he took, like you said, a seamless baton handoff and it should be full stride in any. Any kind of fall off, any kind of looking at the clock and we're off pace a little bit, that indicates that he's an imposter. And then you get to backfill with all these pre-cooked theories people have in the South about how, if you're not from here, you can't recruit here. And how's he going to recruit at Alabama? And he doesn't know this place. He doesn't know the culture.

So, you know, the same stuff they said about Brian Kelly. Ended up being valid. Not because he wasn't from the South. That's because he didn't work to the degree you need to work at L.A. That's right. So the thing about Kalin is the style he won with at Washington. Washington's what you need to pay the most attention to. The 2003 Washington season, what, they have like seven one possession wins or something like that.

So they were winning a bunch of close games, but there's so much, there's some randomized nature to that. But when you get a big sample size of one possession games and you're that good in one possession games, there's more than just luck to that, that skill. Bama had been used to win in 42 to 10. And so he's come down here and even in the games where they're winning, it's a lot. of what he did at Washington. It's one possession games and it aggravates people so much because they want to run for 250 yards and they can't run the ball this year. And yet they're still scaling their offense despite not being able to run the ball, which I think is the biggest feather in

the cap of Ty Simpson. Mendoza's doing it with a ground game. Julian's doing it with a ground game. Bama can't run and Ty Simpson still does it. That's all I would say about him if I were promoting him for the Heisman. But DeBoer, year one in that building this week, Colin, a year ago, they were in the thick of the playoff race. They're going to go to Oklahoma and they get their doors blown off. Blown off. That was really when the ant bed got kicked. That's really when all the rumors started spilling out.

That's when all the truth started getting dealt because they didn't feel like they had anything left to play for. So you start hearing some grumbling and you start really finding out how oil and water that building had been. Some of the old guard, some of the new guard. And he walked in and I want to remind everyone, he walked in, and I want to remind everyone, he walked in, it the weirdest possible time, maybe in the recent history of college athletics, because he takes the job, Saban retires, and it was weird, like an early January kind of thing. So he takes the job, and the portal opens for 30 days, but they can't take. They can only lose for 30 days.

And then you patch it up as best you can't. Julian Sane was there, by the way. He leaves. Caleb Downs was there. He leaves. Well, then you go through Spring Ball. And I remember talking to him about this after it happened. happen. And he didn't make any excuses. I was almost trying to make excuses for him, but it was a

situation where you had to run your spring practice knowing that after spring ball, when you really want to get down guys' throats and you want to try and install as much culture as you can, they could just leave. There's a post-spring portal window, and they could bail on you. These aren't your players. You didn't recruit them. How are you going to have a roster going into the season? So they had to kid glove their way through spring ball a little bit. And even then, like you get to the fall and you're trying to build the plane in the air. And it used to be a nice plane. And so no one's going to accept any kind of turbulence up there.

And that Oklahoma game is where it really came undone a little bit. And that's where you really started hearing it. So it's so crazy to fast forward a year from now. It just so happens to be they're in the thick of it again. Oklahoma's coming in again. I'm interested that you said you like Bama because a lot of people like Oklahoma this week. I love Bama this week. I'm interested in why it is you like Bama.

because I got one reason. Well, I guess my take is, I think the offensive coaching at Bama, I tend to believe that offensive coaches are tinkers. So I think DeBore and his coordinator, you know, like when they went to Georgia, you're like, oh, that's a perfect game plan. I think defensive coaches, Venables, tend to have, this is what we are, and we're just going to be more forceful. I tend to think with defensive teams,

you often get what you get and you get it by like week four. I think offensive coaches. Ryan Day is a great example last year. God, you watch the Michigan game. Then a week later, you watch Tennessee. And then a week later you watch Oregon. You're like, oh, shit, they didn't peak until the second week of the playoff. They're tinkers.

Chip Kelly was always that. It was always tinkering. So I tend to think Alabama is just getting better. They're just every week, I feel like they're two possessions better, whereas I feel kind of like I know what Oklahoma is. I've seen the best of Oklahoma. That's very good. But I think 10 being the best, one being not good. I think Alabama is about a seven.

I think they're going to get to about an eight and a half. Now, Ohio state's a nine, and they may just stay there. But it's why I think Bama is the second best team in the country. I think they've got a tinker as a coach. I watched them at Washington. Just manipulate, tinker, improve. Anyway, that's my take is that I think four weeks ago I may have felt differently. I think the offensive coach over the defensive culture, I like Bama.

So I'm with you. They are beating people on Saturday a lot. Staff-wise, like they are, they got one of the best staffs in the country, offensively especially. So here's what's interesting about that. If you watch the LSU game last week, they're coming out of a buy, theoretically you should just be shot out of a cannon. We're ready to peak in November. They won 20 to 9, I think it was. If you watched the game, you saw how much meat was left on the bone offensively.

You saw how much just off the fingertips type explosive passes they missed on. And I think that is part one of the separation Saturday. You focus on precision and accuracy all week after a game like that. And then number two, Oklahoma's real hallmark is they can shut you down running the ball. I'd almost feel more uncomfortable for Alabama if part of their offense was built on the ground game. They already don't do anything on the ground. Lesser teams have shut them down running the ball. So what Oklahoma's built to take away, you can't take away from Bama because they already don't do it.

And yet they still scale their passing game anyway. And the two other offenses that they've seen that can do through the air of what Bama can are Ole Miss and Tennessee. And I think one through for 319 and the other one threw for 380 or something like that against them. So it's going to be a real high profile game. It'll be a good fight. I think Alabama is going to have one in the thing by double digits in the end. All right. Today's show is brought to you by our new presenting sponsor, Hard Rock Bet.

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Like with USC, you can see the coaching. And their offense now is a walk-on, true walk-on freshman running back because they're all beat up. And it hasn't hurt their running game at all, which is remarkable. Jaden Maiava, most improved quarterback in college football. I just can't even believe what I'm watching. Two years ago, I watched him at UNLV. I'm like, he's a runner. I didn't even throw it.

Then last year at USC, I'm like, I don't like him throwing it, especially over the middle of the field. I don't trust him. Now I'm like, that's a second round draft pick. That's a real quarterback. I think Iowa's a really tough matchup. I also think they play Oregon the next week, chance to look ahead. Any chance in your eyes, Iowa beats SC. Sure. There is. I'm looking at a forecast, and we've got heavy rain in L.A. Saturday. I don't know what's happening. So the only thing that changes about the game that they played last week against Oregon is the venue at about 25 degrees, and that's your forecast for Saturday. So, you know, you would think to yourself, oh, that heavily favors Iowa. Who knows? Maybe it does. I just know if I'm USC, I'm drawn heavily

on the fact that I ran it for 220 plus against Michigan. I ran it for over 200 on the road against Nebraska, and I watched Oregon run it for 260 against Iowa last week. So, yeah, are they going to run on us? Probably. Iowa runs the ball to a certain extent on everyone. But the difference is now we think we can run it. It's been proven that you can run it on them. And, I mean, look, at some point, if you're going to exist and thrive in the Big Ten, you got to do what Oregon did last week. You got to win a Big Ten game. I thought the most impressive thing Oregon did was they played Iowa's game and beat Iowa playing Iowa's game. They're going to drag you in there. The weather's not going to help already, but Iowa's going to drag you in there. You just, you've got to

be able to come out of their cut up and bleeding all over the place. but holding a W. Because you're not going to finesse your way through the Big Ten. What you can do is you can hit a couple of explosive plays in the process of playing that style of ball. But I agree with you. Final score projection, I agree with you. Now, turnovers can be the difference there. So there's a lot higher variance when you play a condensed kind of game like that.

I actually think Southern Cow is going to find a way to get the job done. If they don't, though, do you understand, you understand. I hope everyone else understands how big a hinge moment. is for Lincoln. Because if they win it, it's Super Bowl time in Eugene. It's playoff on the line, Big Ten stuff on the line. If they lose this Saturday, that's a three-loss team, almost inevitably headed for a fourth loss, at which point you know what the noise is going to sound like around there. Yeah, no, it's, I've said this, you know, and I've said this, once college football, the playoff is expanded to 12 teams, all these romantic rivalries.

are in doubt. And I got a lot of angry responses. I said, I would reconsider the Notre Dame. I would go to Notre Dame if I was Jen Cohen. Because what's interesting here, Josh, if they beat Iowa, and I think they will, I'm going to go 27, 26, 28, 27, and lose to Oregon, they would make the playoff had they not played Notre Dame. And if they'd stuck in Fresno, they'd have a close loss on the road to Illinois. And I think they'll be competitive against Oregon, although Oregon hits on a lot of big plays and USC gives up big play. So it's kind of a weird matchup. But they would make the playoffs with two losses because they'd have enough impressive wins. So, you know, my take on USC Notre Dame is Jen Cohen should go in and say, you need it more than we do. We're in the Big Ten. I don't need another

cold weather opponent in November. We'll play you every other year has to be in September. We can start in Notre Dame, but I'm not playing you late. I'm not doing that. I'm going to squeeze you between Georgia Southern and Fresno State. I'm not playing you after Ohio State and before Oregon. Get lost. But it is interesting because I think USC is going to win, and I think they're going to be competitive against Oregon, although Oregon's receiving core may be healthier. But I said, I think I told you this. Lincoln Riley is Matt LaFleur. I know he's smart. He's on the right side of the ball. He's good with quarterbacks. Play designer, play caller. Gets a little prickly with the media. I don't know if he's a culture guy. I like everything else. I know he's smart. I know he play

designs. I've watched every snap at USC. I know Lincoln's Bright. Don't know if he's got that Vrabel Harbaugh, Chris Peterson culture building thing. Not sure if he does. But I think they'll win it. Texas at Georgia. This just feels like Georgia. Archmanning has played better. Georgia's not quite as dominant as two years ago. I think the whole NIL thing is giving us some Texas techs, and it's peeled back on the dominance of SEC teams at the top.

I like Georgia. What say you? I got to also just before I talk about the game, man, the conference expansion stuff, specifically for the SEC, I don't really know that people fully appreciate what this has been like down here. Do you have any idea what it's like to watch Texas come into Athens, Georgia on a Saturday night? And the same time, you've got one broadcast network having all these games, by the way. Four hours earlier, you will have watched Oklahoma go into Alabama.

And that used to be like once a decade out of conference stuff. Not just conference rotation, just conference games, really crazy, just in the best of ways. So if I were to have told you in July, and you don't know. know anything about the upcoming season. I just told you, all right, Colin, Texas, Georgia is going to be big time game second week of November. I'm guaranteeing you the game's going to come down to quarterback play. How would you have felt about that edgewise in July? Because I think that's how the game boils down. And I don't think we're going to go the way on that answer that we would have in July unless we think the sample size from the last couple of games of Arch Manning is a sign

that that thing that you hope happens in week one is finally having. happening, but it's happening in week 12. Now, if it is, Texas can go in there because Texas pressures the quarterback way more than Georgia does. So Gunther-Stockton's got a bigger hill to climb here than Texas does and Arch Manning does. But if that thing that seems to happen every year in November with some player where he just finally finds his group, if that's happening with Arch Manning, the most important thing in this game is tackles in space and yards after catch. I think it was Matt Vogel, I want to get proper credit. I think it was Matt Vogel I saw that put out a stat that these two quarterbacks are number one and number two in the league and passes behind the line of scrimmage, which stands to reason.

They recruit great athletes. They want to get the ball to them quick, get it in space, make someone miss. So that's probably where this game gets decided. I just wonder to myself, I watched Texas get two shots at Georgia last year, and they get physically just bent twice. Not supposed to happen. When you recruit and develop like Texas, it was a very, very big pride shot, I thought. for them. And so, you know, they're 11 and 3 in conference games since joining the league. Two of the losses were last year to Georgia. And now they get another shot at them. And the reason I'm

leading Georgia in the game is I can make you a case for Texas. I just think at some point, as a staff, you've got to show me. Like as the overall MO of a program, I know what Georgia and Kirby is. I never have to question that. That's right. It's crazy that you think to yourself, or I think to myself this far into the Sark tenure, there's still a lot we haven't figured out about what Steve Sarkisans, Texas is. That's why nights like that are so important this weekend. I think that's perfectly put. And I, it's really interesting. Mac Brown's teams, I think, had a better identity. Sometimes Texas can be pretty. They can be pretty. I've said this. when USC and Texas played, I was at that game.

That was the most beautiful college football game of all time. The sunset, the Rose Bowl, burnt orange, USC, the best-looking fans. You had to be a seven to even get a ticket to the game. It was everything about the game was beautiful. It wasn't the most physical game. It was just beautiful sports, Reggie and Linerd and Vince. And I've said that before. Maybe it's because L.A. is a pretty town, and in Austin is music and food. But there is, I know exactly, one of the first things, the Packers right now are a broken team. And I'm like, what are they? You know? And I look at Sark's Texas team and I, my take is they're really talented. But I'm not sure exactly what they are. And like, Marcus Freeman takes over Notre Dame. An hour later, I'm like, oh,

Oh, they're physical. They're, this is going to be like an uglier version of Brian's teams. They're physical. They seek contact. The backs are power. Notre Dame has an absolute identity under Marcus Freeman. It is smart. I mean, they're always smart.

Smart, physical, punishing. They want to run right between the tackles. It's yards after contact. It's fight for every yard. I don't know what Texas is. Good, talented. I don't know what they are. You know what's totally fair to say about them?

the exact same thing you just said about Lincoln. To this point, it's fair to say the same thing about Sark. I love the dude to death. I actively pulled for him. But there is a big difference. I mean, he's a clinician as a play caller, as an offensive mind. There are very few that could even hang in a conversation with him. But he's not the offensive coordinator alone.

He's the head coach. And so, you know, I'm looking at everything that trickles down from the top. And if we're asking that question this far in, Look, maybe there's still some development that happens there. I could say the same thing about Lincoln. I know those guys are old relative to football minds, and they've been around a while. I mean, look, Sabin didn't win his first national title until he was in his early 50s. And then he won seven of them.

So it's not the craziest concept that guys may still be learning on the job a little bit. No, I mean, I talked to Tom Telesco was a GM for the Chargers for years and the Raiders briefly. And he said, it's a benefit in the NFL if you have. hire a head coach who's great schematically. He goes, that's Shanahan and Andy. He goes, you're really hiring CEOs. Well, it's easier to be a CEO at 55 than 45. Like so much of, I mean, Texas is a pro job. I mean, especially now with NIL, it's like a pro job. I mean, you're dealing with, it's just a different ball game than even USC. Texas is bigger. And, you know, I think you're learning. I think it's like in life, everybody gets better. I remember Patrick Mahomes.

saying the light went on year three. And you're like, you were the MVP year two. And he's like, yeah, but everything slowed down in year three. So I think that's, I don't even think it's a criticism of Sark. I think it's a reality is he's just getting better at it. So Lane Kiffin, I've known Lane for a long time. And I think Lane's smart. I think he's again gotten better and better. I made this argument is that you can bounce around Ole Miss, LSU. You can bounce around. They're all, I mean, these days, if Ole Miss can pay 10, LSU pays 11, there's less pressure at Ole Miss. I'd stay at Ole Miss.

It's Oxford's beautiful. Then I said, I think actually he could be an NFL coach. And like Harbaugh, he'd walk into the sport for the first three years. He knows all these players, way better than your GM does. Also, like a Miami, because of the contractual situation, it's going to be your quarterback for a year. But you probably got to draft your next quarterback. and most of these guys are second round quarterbacks. Well, he knows Nussmeyer and he knows Simpson.

He knows all these guys. South Carolina kid. He knows all of them. So by the second round, nobody's going to know those quarterbacks better than Lane Kiffin. He either recruited him, played him, played against him. Do you think Lane Kiffin, do you think he's considering the NFL? Yeah, I think he is. I think several of them more.

I think there's some names considering the NFL. that would totally and completely put jaws on the ground if the name's ever got public. I think these guys are always considering the NFL. Now, you'd never get the truth out of most of them, but yeah. I mean, look, you know the kind of mentality it takes to succeed at the highest level of college football, especially if you specialize on a side of the ball, goes hand in hand with the kind of mentality that thinks I could win in the NFL. I could win on Sundays.

I want to test myself against the best. I want to see how my offense does. And especially with Lane, you've got the Oakland Raiders chapter in his past. You don't think he wants to make good on that? Dude, I'm a believer. I'm a believer. Saban never did it. I'm a believer he wanted to make good on the Miami Dolphins part.

Like all of the other extracurricular that comes along with the NFL relative to college. But yeah, I think he would consider it. I think they actively consider it all the time. What I don't know, and I think this is really what the decision is. decision comes down to is what do you personally value the most beyond football? Like some guys hate recruiting. They're looking at the first exit door to get to the NFL. Others, they think it's their wheelhouse. They think that's one of their strongest suits. They actually love being around young people. I will never forget when I was coming out of college down in Columbus, and I heard you talking about

Parcells one day, and you described them as a meatball with arms, that is what stuck with me. That is what NFL coaches look like relative to college coaches because you're around adults all day instead of younger adults. So past that, yeah, I think he is considering it. Hey, so we all make mistakes, but owning up to them is the right thing to do. So you know, degree cool rush deodorant, right? Well, last year they changed the formula and it did not go over well with their fans. So degrees whole thing is it turns up the sweat and odor protection when you turn up the effort. And good thing it does because Cool Rush fans really turned up the effort to bring the original formula back.

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Tell me this A current college coach And he was talking about Ole Miss and the limitations. He said, offensive recruits will follow the coach. Right. They'll follow Sark Lane. Kaling, the offensive players, they want to know who the coach is, what the system is. Great defensive players.

They want to go to Georgia, Texas, LSU. Not about scheme. I want to get taken care of. I want an I'll check. I got to play in the trenches. That's the limitation of Ole Miss. when I asked somebody about Ole Miss, they said, Lane's always going to get offensive guys.

He goes, offensive guys follow the coach. Defensive guys don't. He's never going to have Georgia's defensive personnel. He's never going to have BAMAs. He's never going to have Ohio states. Defensive guys go to the big schools. You see all sorts of great offenses in the history of college football. You can go to Hawaii.

You go to BYU. You can go Indiana and see a lot of the top 10 college defense of all time. There's a lot of Georgia, Bama, LSU, Michigan, And so this coach said, Lane knows he's limited. When he faces the big dogs in the SEC, he'll have to outscore him. He's not stopping them. And so that's just something my, that's something to think about. I thought it was very, very wise.

I think it's been taken into consideration. When you do your pros and cons, there's not going to be a clean list under the cons for any of these jobs. Right, right. So it'll miss. That's what you have to ask. But then what if you're Lane Kiffin, you have to ask, all right, but what state do I reside in. I reside in Mississippi. The one thing that you're going to say about Mississippi is it pumps out NFL front, future NFL front defensive talent every year. Now, historically, they've

gone to other schools, but that's why it's been case by case a nightmare to play Mississippi State or Ole Miss in a certain given years, because they're just freak shows out of scuba and Philadelphia and Columbus. And you've never heard of those places. Yazu City, Mississippi, but they got future first round NFL draft picks coming out of there. I would think to myself, Man, if I can keep enough of those guys home, I'm going to get the offensive guys. But, like, you're right. That is the case. If I'm representing him and selfishly, I want him at LSU or I want him at Florida.

I want him at Florida because I'm saying, dude, they've got the track record of offense like you want, spur your, even when Urban was there. The difference is you can get the defensive talent down there as well. That's what I'd sell him on. Yes, Sark told me this when he was at Washington. He said, I can get first-round receivers and top. side ends and quarterbacks at Washington, it's defensive tackles. You can't get them in the Northwest. We just don't have. We may have one every other year who's an elite defensive tackle.

And so, you know, that's why, you know, I just think it's a reality of, even in Southern California, as great as that state is, right now, USC, if you look at their interior D-line recruiting, there's Texas. There's no, there's an Oklahoma kid, there's a Texas kid, there's a Minnesota kid. not a lot of LA kids on that defensive front. Now, Lemon the receiver, Lanes from Arizona, you know, Mayava they got it in Vegas, a running back walk-ons from Calabasas. USC's offensive talent. You know, it's a lot of L.A. kids and West Coast kids. But, no, I think Lane's a great example of the willingness to evolve as a human being. I think Lane today is just a much better human being. Not that I know him that well, but there were a lot of people out on Lane, and he went small school one.

And I think Nick Saban deserves a lot of credit. You know, Saban took a beat-up lane and a beat-up Sark. I mean, I tell you a lot about Nick Saban. Those guys were not, they had lost a lot of glare in college sports. I think, I mean, that 25, 2015 team he had alone, just doing a deep dive on that staff alone, pretty unbelievable at Alabama that, that Saban had. But, I mean, I remember when Lane was at Alabama. I remember when Sark had gotten to Alabama. And you're hearing the stories behind the scenes. And you're thinking to yourself, I mean, like one of the greatest magician tricks that I thought about Nick Saban when I first came to sort

of see behind the curtain is everyone watched them and they're this machine and they're winning. And so you think, oh, they're free of all the crap that everyone else has to deal with. And then you find out there's tons of infighting there. All of these coaches are alphas. All of these coaches are type A's. And he's just, it's like herding cats. And he somehow did it. But to do what he did for Lane slash with Lane, to do the same thing for slash with Sark,

that's pretty unbelievable. But the other part of that is at some point, it doesn't matter how much someone else is trying to help you if you don't want to help yourself. So yeah, a ton of credit to Nick Saban, absolutely. It's not like Kiffin's having to rediscover himself at Publix. Like, he is coaching major college football. But at some point, you've got to look in the mirror and realize I'm a full-grown adult. Like, it's up to me.

And thankfully, he did that. Finally, what if Ohio State wins the Natty? I think their defense is insane. I think it's, I mean, it's really, really good. Ohio, you're going to have a Michigan, Ohio State, Ohio State. What's going to be the feeling in the South? If Ohio State wins third straight Big Ten championship, what are we going to say in college football. Existential crisis. And a lot of people will paint it. Like a lot of people are going

to say the Big Ten and the SEC. I'll look at it as Michigan and Ohio State. That's what I'll look at it as. The same way as I always thought it was really dumb when South Carolina fans beat their chest and chanted SEC, when Bama and LSU are winning national championships, it's Bama and LSU and then mixed Georgia in. Those are the teams winning the national titles. Now, look, look, I'm not going to speak ill of the overall competitive depth of the SEC. No one needs to teach me about that. But if I'm looking at, you know, the state of affairs in the SEC, like, what does it mean if the Big Ten has the best team in the country this year, maybe even one, two? And then for all we know, the SEC has three, four, six, nine, and ten.

I think it speaks that there's incredible competitive balance, but also competitive top to bottom in the SEC. see, there are taller mountain peaks in the Big Ten. That's not a crazy concept to me. People will make a much bigger deal about it than should be made about it. What I'll ask is, what kind of praise does Ryan Day deserve? We're right in the middle of it so this all could be moot. But that guy lost so much. And you have Penn State,

ungodly money to take your defensive coordinator and what you improved defensively. Just not supposed to happen. Chip Kelly, do you lose Chip? Kelly and anyone would have taken that job, by the way. And you're in a position where you can promote from within. I cannot speak highly enough of the job they've done there. And they're playing like their lives are on the line every week, the same way Sabin's Bama teams used to look.

I'll tell you, Julius Sane, nobody's talking about him because he's not coming out, right? He's young. Right. And Mendoza and Dante Moore and his conference are getting deserved love. And Jaden Maiava, like the quarterback playing the big. 10 since you brought those Pack 12 schools in has gone way up very quick. I mean, even Mendoza's from Cal. So it's like the one thing the Pac 12 brought to the Big 10 was quarterback play. Like it's just better. Julian San is something else. I mean, he is really, really good.

And even if you go back to that Texas game in the opener, Arch got all the love, it was like Julian just like, I mean, even though he was home, it's like, he, he was like, he would, even though he was home, it's like, he's the nervous one. Arch Manning, as I told you, Thanksgiving with the Mannings is an event. Like Julian San was like, Arch Manning, Texas, National TV. I was like, holy shit, that kid's good. He's really, really good. I think he was a five-star kid, too, so it's not shocking. I think also, if you remember back to the spring, it was presented in Columbus as this is a legitimate quarterback battle. Sometimes they BS you on quarterback battles. Okay. So, So a lot of times it's not the case.

I think that was an authentic quarterback battle. It wasn't that he was a surefire three years from now, first round NFL draft pick kit in spring. But where he is is he's sitting there in the most fertile developmental soil in college football. And so he's got God-given ability that few can match. But he's developed week over week. Like you can look at the progression. It's almost linear, which is a hallmark of the best coaches and the best programs.

That's why the same ones continue to win over and over again. But like week one and then week two and then week six and then week nine and you're looking at him and you're saying, wow. And that's the first year of him. They get one more. I can remember he has one or two. But yeah, he's been pretty incredible to watch. Yeah. And by the way, those two receivers.

Oh, my God. I joke the other day. Just if you're an NFL GM, just draft a wide receiver from Ohio State every year. Your depth chart will be fine. Just take only Buckeyes. Because, I mean, Harrison's now playing better. Ibuka's amazing. JSN's incredible.

This, this Cornell Tate, I mean, he's the overshadowed one. He's the two. Man body, unbelievable hands, grip on the football, forceful. Yeah, Ohio State's good. I mean, I don't know if Indiana could compete. I think Ohio State's really good. Josh Pate, the Josh Pate show. We do this every couple weeks.

I can't wait. So we both like Bama. I like USC narrowly. I think you like USC. I'll take Georgia. We agree there. Hey, Josh, tell me about Quick Trip. Brother, it's my lifeline right now.

Fueling me to every single stop that we go on on this tour in the fall. The old Fall Don't Lie Tour. Quick Trip. So the best thing about partnerships is when it organically forms. You know, when someone who runs a major corporation hits you up and says, hey, man, I've been watching your soap for a long time. we'd love to be a partner. That's beautiful.

That's what Quick Trip was for me. So, I mean, you see them all over the place in the South. You see them a little bit more in the Midwest, spreading the footprint a little bit. But, I mean, you can get gas in any gas station. Colin, it's the cold brewing tap for me. It's walking in there and having 37 different kinds of cold brew, and you fill it up and you're on your way. It's been a beautiful partnership. Good to see you, buddy.

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