The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast - Matt Mosley on Jason Peters Expectations, NFC East Predictions

Episode Date: September 6, 2022

First, (3:00) Colin explains the biggest unintended consequence of the college football transfer portal, if he would take Lincoln Riley over Nick Saban to build a program in 2022, and his obvious theory on the scorching California September. Then, longtime Cowboys columnist - and host of The Doomsday Podcast - Matt Mosley joins Colin to discuss what are realistic expectations for 40 year-old tackle Jason Peters replacing Tyron Smith (17:00), if Jerry Jones is turning into Al Davis (19:00), if Mike McCarthy has an identifiable strength (27:00), if the Eagles are the NFC East favorites (32:00), and if the massive shift in CFB conference alignment and coming playoff expansion are good for the sport (40:00). Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates and check out FanDuel for the best wagering and daily fantasy action! #Herd   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hi, everybody, and welcome in to our Tuesday morning podcast, talking some Dallas Cowboys and more with Matt Mosley, long-time reporter, opinionist in Dallas, my guy, part of the volume. A couple of thoughts, though. Oftentimes, we think something is wonderful. We demand something. We want something. And then there's an unintended consequence of that thing.

A great example, people just complain about cable. Your cable bill was too expensive. I want streaming. Streaming is great. Netflix is great. Streaming. Well, Netflix, yes. It was very successful and is.

And because of that, many big corporations like Amazon and Disney have also gotten into streaming. Now there's like 15 to 20 streaming services, all charging me $999 or more per month. Now it costs more than my cable. And it's hard to keep track of all the passwords and codes. How many times have you thought, oh, I heard there's a great, there's a great show. Oh, I forgot what streaming service it's on. I tried to watch something the other day on the actor, Army Hammer. It was on Discovery Plus.

It took me 10 minutes to sign up for Discovery Plus. Cable, I contend, and I've always said this. If you like college basketball and college football, you have to have cable. And it's one of the great values in America. I pay 120 a month. And I get unbelievable college athletics. 365 days a year. I'm keeping my cable.

And I think about that because the transfer portal in college football is really viewed as a gigantic win for everybody, right? The player has mobility. Your team can solve a problem very quickly. Here's the unintended consequence of it. It's important that Brian Kelly and Lincoln Riley and Mario Cristobal don't win 11 or 12 games this year. year because there's like 10 to 12 great brands in college football, maybe 10. USC is one of those, right? You know, your Alabama's, Texas, Michigan, Ohio, State, Notre Dame.

If it becomes so easy to take one of those top 10 brands and win immediately with no struggle, then why would you stay at a really good job like Michigan State, a really good job like Wisconsin, You know, Virginia Tech, Oregon, why stay at those jobs? If the transfer portal is some magic elixir to immediately at a big brand, Bama, USC, Oklahoma, solve all your issues. You want it to be hard for even a great coach to go to a big brand. You want him to struggle. Because in the back of his mind, if he's got a good job or a very good job, you don't want him thinking, God, just get me to an Alabama. just get me to an Oklahoma, just get me to a USC or a Notre Dame or a Miami.

I mean, Nick Saban, seven and six first year, Pete Carroll, USC, six and six first year. Kirby Smart, eight and five. It took dabble with Sweeney at Clemson four years. Yeah, it's important that it's hard, even at LSU, even at USC, even at Miami, even at Texas, even at Notre Dame, even at Michigan. You want it to be kind of hard, even if you're Jim Harbaugh, Michigan. You don't want to winning 12 games the first year? So the unintended consequence of the transfer portal is that it may make it really easy. I mean, did you notice this weekend the SEC went 14 and 1?

Why? Because in the transfer portal, those are the richest college football programs. Those that had little tiny issues paid for them and solved them in the offseason. You want an SEC program if they fire a coach and bring in a new one. You want it to be a two-year battle to get back to the top. So the transfer portal is wonderful, but I think there has to be some parameters. And I hope we don't have coaches transferring to the level of players. I want Brian and Kelly to stay at LSU for seven, eight years, but I want him to battle it for a year or two.

Now, Lincoln Riley's different. He needs to win a national championship in four months. That would appease me. There are exceptions to every rule in life. Speaking to Lincoln, Riley. Listen, I understand fan is short for fanatic. Like, I get it. But there are times in life you just got to admit that you're hurt.

And when Lincoln Riley left Oklahoma, it's okay to admit it hurt because nobody had ever left Oklahoma before unless it was Barry switcher to the Cowboys, right? Like USC is in California. They have over 100 Division I high school football players a year. The state of Oklahoma's got eight. USC, big picture, it's a better brand. It's a bigger brand. Okay. L.A., entertainment capital of the world, moving into NIL and entertainment, it's just a better fit. You're going to get better players over time. But Lincoln Riley coached four years at Oklahoma. He won 11 games minimum each year. In two of Bob Stoop's final eight years, he lost five games. Stoops is a defensive guy. Lincoln Riley is an offensive guy. Lincoln Riley today

is a better coach than Bob Stoops was in his last five years at Oklahoma. It doesn't mean Bob wasn't a legend, but the game has changed. It's why McVeigh today is better equipped for the NFL than Bill Belichick. I know it sounds weird, right? I'm not taking anything away from Bill Belichick. But culture, offense, quarterback play is the future of the league. It's not grumpy, 70-year-old defensive coaches letting Matt Patricia call plays. I'm not taking away anybody's resume. Bob Stoops is a Hall of Famer.

But this morning in college football, Lincoln Riley is a top three coach. It's not about beating rice. It's the fact that he took over a four-and-eight program and they scored almost 70 points. in 27 minutes of having the football. Now, they're going to lose games this year. You can only fix so many problems in eight months from an awful four and eight football team. They have solved the offense. They have not solved the front seven defensively.

It's not very good. They have one NFL player in their front seven. They can't beat the big boys. They will struggle with Utah, Notre Dame, UCLA, Oregon State, and maybe Stanford and Fresno State. I think they're a nine and three team. But if you're still living in the past, And I get it. Some people are not progressive thinkers.

You just got to come to terms today. Sean McVeigh, if I could choose a coach today to run my football program, I choose McVeigh over Belichick. I choose Kyle Shanahan over Belichick for the next five years. And I would choose Lincoln Riley over everybody. I would. And by the way, if Nick Saban took over USC and Lincoln Riley took over USC like he just did, who would turn it around faster? in 2022. I believe the answer is Lincoln Riley.

Speaking of dummies, listen, I don't talk a lot of politics. I really don't. I mean, I think Donald Trump's a grifter. But this weekend was the hottest day in the history of San Diego in September. It's like 105 degrees in Los Angeles. There's basically been no hurricanes this hurricane season. At this point, folks, if you can't admit there's some climate change, you're in the Lincoln Riley can't coach bracket. It's pretty obvious what's happening. Now, I'm not blaming any individuals. I'm not blaming regions. But good hell. You got to open your eyes to this stuff. And listen, it's a big world. We're a small part of it. We can't dictate terms for China, Turkey, parts of Europe, Russia. But if you don't see what's happening, good hell, you're not paying attention. We

currently are in the middle of the hottest September heat wave in the history of California. Hurricane season, we've had none. Something's going on, right? It's sort of like if you had a neighbor and you haven't seen the affair, but you're hearing from the next door neighbor's wife moaning and groaning while the husband is gone, something's going on. It's not good for the husband. I haven't seen it.

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make of that signing. How is it playing in Dallas? You know, it is desperate times signing and it's playing as here is a former Arkansas player who Jerry Jones is going to feel comfortable with and but

he's 40 years old. I believe we looked up his birthday. He'll be 41. And while in some things in life, that's a nice young age, certainly not to play left tackle. And so I don't, I think it's brought even more attention to already sort of a bad situation. And so I kind of love how they're playing it. In the last 24 hours since he's gotten here, as of today, it's being played is almost like he's a tutor.

You know, we brought in this unbelievable mentor for Tyler Smith and it'll just be like another coach. And he'll be in Tyler Smith's ear. when the reality of this is he's here because there is a decent chance this could be a disastrous situation for the Cowboys. And that's not even a knock on this player, Tyler Smith, but they wanted him nowhere near left tackle. And that is where he's going to start his NFL career. Wow.

You know, I've made this comparison on the air. I don't know if I did it last time with you. I think the Cowboys are turning into the Raiders when Al Davis got old. So Al Davis and Jerry Jones are very similar. They're Mavericks, Contrarian, street fighters, visionaries. And then you start getting into your 70s and you start believing your press and you're not quite cognitively as quick. And I think Jerry's had multiple missteps in the last several years, things he said he's had to backtrack on. and I thought at the end of Al Davis's reign, he really romanticized.

He really lived in the rearview mirror. And I feel very much that way with the way Jerry Jones handles Zeke, as if it's a running back league, as if you want your running back to be the biggest cap hit. And I look at Dallas right now, and they're, I think they're dangerously close to becoming the last 10 years of Al Davis's Raiders. I think what saves them is the division so damn awful. But I thought Philadelphia, Matt, had a really, really good offseason. Size up the Eagles offseason and the Cowboys and where they stand today, in your opinion. Well, I think you saw, Colin, the Eagles, you know, needed a safety slash corner. And really, they need a safety help.

And they went and made a trade. And I think it irritates Cowboys fans that Howie Roseman, who have gotten to know pretty well over the years, is now being sort of celebrated. This is the guy that's gotten ahead of things. And he's doing these trades and he's solidified the team. And I don't know if this is accurate or even fair, but just based on some of the offseason and then even the buildup to this season,

people are now picking the Eagles over the Cowboys. And Jerry has no one else to blame but himself. And you brought up the Zeke thing. Zeke jumped in front of DAC. And then DAC became a man. Most people, when they have a career altering type injury, don't have a bunch of leverage. You would think the Cowboys might be in the best position.

But because of how they handled it and they kept kicking it down the road, they ended up having to pay him enormous money. And so they've just mismanaged this thing so much to where, And what you're saying about Jerry, I think there's some truth to it, although he's still extremely quick. So cognitively, I think he's fine. I think sometimes he's just a bad, you know, he just does a bad job at some of this. And he still thinks he can snap into where they were 26, 27 years ago. And as we get farther and farther away from that, it just seems so distant.

What the Cowboys are good at doing, and boy, you can, you've seen this, they're still good at landing sometimes like unbelievable star players. This is a place for stars. And like Micah Parsons, they have some individuals, C.D. Lamb, that kind of blow people away. But over time, think about the depth at wide receiver, the depth on the O line. And nobody has just tremendous depth across the board. But the Cowboys went from three years ago to people making the statement, this might be the

best line in the NFL, to just being pretty awesome. awful. Like they're not solid at left guard. They're not solid at center. They're very solid at right guard. They're iffy at right tackle. And now they're really iffy at left tackle because they wanted to start Tyler Smith. His first year at left tackle was supposed to be like the 2024 season. That would have been perfect. Tyron Smith, get him through two more seasons and welcome this guy in to play left tackle in 2004. In 2022 season, he is your starting left tackle. So Jerry wants to talk him into being great. And so that's where Jerry and Al may have similar similarities. And to your point, Jerry worshipped Al. Like not only were they kind of similar

in some ways in Mavericks, but where do you think, I mean, a lot of that stuff Jerry did he got from Al. And Al saw this guy in Jerry like, ooh, that reminds me of myself. And he took him under his wing. So, I mean, your comparison there is right on. Well, listen, the Cowboys can flip the script. They open up with Tampa, and then it's the Bengals. Now, those are really high powered offenses. I don't know what the Cowboys offense is. It's a bad O line. We know that DAC isn't Brady or Burrow. No Cedric Wilson and Amari Cooper. Tell me what I should expect from the offense. Last year they scored a lot of points.

I think the Giants will be better. Philadelphia is absolutely better. No idea what Washington is. But tell me what you think the offense will look like. Well, what they need it to look like. I don't know if it'll look like it. They need to establish the run and they want to build around that early in the season. So a lot of this, Colin, is going to go back to.

what they were trying to do and what they did very successfully in 2016. Unfortunately, this is not 2016 version of Zeke. Now, I'll tell you who's fast and really could be a match-up problem for teams is Tony Pollard, if they're able to turn to him. Yeah. But I'll tell you, I even saw a quote today that made me realize sort of the desperation that they have going into this season. Cavante Turpin, who's emerged as a huge weapon, he had a punt return for a touchdown and a return in the preseason.

And then they said, okay, you don't have to play the last game. You're going to be our return guy. Just in the past few days, they have, they love these little talking points. Hey, hey, Jerry will kind of pass them down. Guys, this is all going to be our new talking point. And the new talking point is that Kavante Turpin is one is going to be one of the top receivers. Like he's literally, and I don't know if that's going to be, means he's a third receiver, a fourth receiver. But if you think about how

how little they have as far as dynamic players in the passing game, C.D. Lamb, their number two receiver is going to be Jalen Tolbert, a second round pick, and they have had to treat Noah Brown like he's some kind of star. They haven't played him in the preseason.

I mean, do you even... You probably do know Noah Brown, knowing you. He barely has any catches in the pros, and they've had to keep him off the field to save Noah Brown for the season. So now it's to the point where they need Cavante Turpin, a return specialist, who was the MVP of the USFL. They really need him to be dynamic enough to almost be looked at

as the second option in the passing game. So best case scenario, they run a Zeke-pollered one-two punch at you. Again, this is not McCarthy's DNA to be a running team. That's what they're going to try to do is lean hard on the defense early and run the ball. And this head coach doesn't really do that. No, that's not. McCarthy and Green Bay, they got a running game. The Super Bowl year, they picked up a running game. I think Amon Green was the running back.

They got ahead of steam late in the year, but they didn't have much of a running game. It was one of the knocks and one of the strengths of Matt LaFleur when they brought him in the Green Bay. He will take some of the pressure off Aaron Run. Rogers, he'll develop a running game, which frankly he has with Aaron Jones. It's the one thing Matt Lefleur has done. There's a lot of arguments that he hasn't really done much. The division's just gotten weaker. He still get flames out very quickly in the playoffs.

The last two years, Green Bay has flamed out at home as a favorite in the playoffs in the fourth quarter. But he has developed a better running game than Mike McCarthy did. And I think people forget that, is that Mike was not known. You know, it's really interesting. So this is one of my knocks on McCarthy. What is he? In Green Bay, he had Farvin Rogers. So some of that success is just bad division, good quarterbacks.

But he didn't develop great running backs. Now, Shannon had, most of your good offensive coaches have. Shanahan did. Mike Shanahan did. Mike Holmgren did. Sean McVeigh does. Kyle Shanahan does. If I said to you, what's Mike McCarthy's strength?

What is his strength? With most great coaches, there's an absolute line, a lead sentence in the column. What is his strength? It's just the passing game. And that's what he knows and his other strength is what you just mentioned. He inherited great quarterbacks. And he was able to ride that out. And I would say, I would say he has the makings of in the past the dynamic, you know, he could

put together dynamic passing offenses. But what he's remembered for in Green Bay is how did you not do more with all these weapons that you had? And you had two Hall of Fame quarterbacks. How could you not do more? So I, there's no, I think they took a guy at the time that was not dynamic, that had won a Super Bowl, and he was just kind of there. And he was, and again, it takes a very unique person.

to do this with Jerry, you have to be willing to let Jerry be out front. So his most, you know, his most important aspect of who Mike McCarthy is, is that he doesn't really need the spotlight. Like that's what works best here. Now, the guy waiting in the wings, Sean Payton in a lot of people's minds, wants it all. wants to be out front, wants to make the moves, have enormous input. And that would be really even as much as Jerry loves him and as close as they are, they both know each other too well. So as much as I like Sean and I've known him really well over the years and I don't think Sean,

people, that's where people get the story wrong. He doesn't yearn for this job and Jerry doesn't yearn for him. But still, that's never going to get people to stop talking about it because they were together at one point and they have a really close friendship. I think the Tampa Bay game could get ugly. So the Cowboys O-line is struggling. One of the strengths of the Buccaneers is their defensive front and their pass rush. They will bracket C.D. Lamb, try to take him out of the game. And they'll put enormous pressure on deck.

You can't run on this Buccaneers team. We know that the last two years. You can't run on them. You have to throw the ball behind what we both acknowledge right now is a porous offensive line. Let's just say it's not only a loss at home, but it's kind of a lobsided game. It's kind of it's 30, 20, and it never feels that close. What will be the reaction in Dallas? Because I think that's what it's going to look like.

Yeah. I think that's what people sadly are kind of expecting. And in fact, I think it can get a lot uglier than 30-20. I do think it's going to be fascinating to see if they try a steady diet of running and go back to what they were. But you're right, Dax's going to have to make plays at some point. The only thing the Cowboys are kind of thinking about is they did have success against Tampa Bay in that game last season and threw for a lot of yardage and looked okay.

But this is a different wide receiver group. So I think the people in Dallas, it's going to, they could turn on this team so quickly. And it's just not this roster is not constructed to kind of like hold the fort. Like it could get ugly early. And as you said earlier, the only saving grace is this division. and the Eagles are better. I mean, if we could hand the Cowboys six wins, they might be able to find their way to 10 wins and get to 10 and 7.

But I don't think you can do that this year. So it could be ugly unless, think about last year's team. The upside is DAC does look way more nimble. I think he could be, he's going to move a lot better. and for whatever reason, and this may all be a bluff, but the confidence in whatever he's saying right now, the confidence level is higher than it's ever been with him. Like there's something, he said something the other day that kind of resonated,

hey, you guys had never seen me play in an NFL game in 2016. Look what we did. And because everybody was asking him, what about Tyler Smith? You know, what about, what are they going to do it? receiver. What about these guys? So from a leadership and then also physical standpoint, it's night and day where he is physically right now from where he was at the end of last season. And same for Zique, by the way. So here's what they could do is do what they used to do with Emmett. Early in the season, just run him, I mean, just to try to survive, 2025 carries a game.

it may not work, but they're, I mean, I promise you, they're thinking about that right now. Can we feed him early while he's healthy and looking pretty spry? Cowboys over under, I think is down to 10. I'm pounding the under. Where are you at on the final record? I mean, I just think you have to, you've got to think about that extra game. And I would, I'd like to try to bet the over, but no, I'd probably go, I'd probably go under on that. I would, I would, what are the, what are the Eagles? What's the last you heard on the Eagles?

That's a good question. I don't know what the Eagles. I think Philadelphia wins the division. I think they have better momentum. I just, I think Dallas has more questions than answers. O-Lines a question. Receiving Corps is a question. Pass rush outside of Micah's a question. Trayvon Diggs had a really weird camp where he shut his viral stuff down because he was humiliated. because he got burned so many times. Most of the good teams in this league, like Cincinnati, if I said, oh, big issues. Yeah, I worry about their corners a little. O lines better. Receivers are better. Quarterbacks good. Star running back.

Good pass rush. Like Dallas has like six questions. I have to watch and see. That says a non-playoff team to me. Yeah. I would just say the only thing to remember is Parsons is a monster. Diggs coming off like a, you know, record-setting interceptions, and maybe the future head coach of this team is the defensive coordinator. And he had an incredible year.

So this could be one of those rare teams that at least early survives via defense. I mean, I don't know. I mean, I'm just wondering, I just think about Tampa and are they coming in? I mean, that's been a shaky camp in some ways. I mean, I focus so hard on the Cowboys that sometimes I step back and I start looking at these other teams and go, you know what? They haven't had all this great stuff happening in camp. There are questions in other places, too. So the one thing they can't do, like here's where I'll say McCarthy's better and even the office coordinator.

I think they'll protect this left tackle a lot more than like Garrett did. Garrett let like young guys just blow up. I mean, he really, I mean, he put horror. I mean, guys ended, their careers got ended or were ended like Chas Green in games against Atlanta where he gives up like seven sacks. They will do more to not let that happen to Tyler Smith. But we've seen it. I mean, I've seen it happen to Giants tackles. I think Flowers had it happen to him a couple of years, you know, a few years ago.

It happened to a Cowboys player. And they have to do everything in the world to try to protect this kid. So I want to shift to something. I want to shift to college football because we both love it. One of the things that is important, I think when I started the volume, the hardest thing is maintaining standards in my career and at the volume is it's easy. to let things slide. But when I have to bark is when I think things are sliding, that college football is on a seven-year ratings and attendance decline.

And yet all these college football fans are fighting for no change. I'm like, if you owned a business and it was in a seven-year revenue decline and cultural decline, Would you think no change is necessary or would you pivot and make moves? So college football has got two problems. There's not enough good games. I think the college football playoff helps that. Why? Because you can lose two games and get into a 12-team playoff.

As long as you don't start the season ranked 50th. But if you start the season ranked in the top 15, it's going to allow teams an Oklahoma to say or a Baylor to say, you know what, let's schedule now a conference game against Wisconsin in Madison. We can lose that game. We can lose a conference game. We'll still get in. Baylor's at the point now or if they have two losses, they'll be ranked 11th or 12th. They would get in in their conference.

So I think it helps that problem. That teams are paralyzed to schedule Bama, Texas. People are terrified. And when they do, it's such a reward for the consumer. The second thing is the end of the season is a series of awful bowl games that nobody goes to or watch. and about five good ones, you're just going to get like March madness. And we like college football, way more than college basketball. And yet we watch these anonymous players in March because the tournament, the bracket,

the betting, the television production. So I think the beginning of the season will be rewarded. And the end of the season won't be about what conference you're playing. It'll just be about 12 good teams. By the way, if 12 get in, that means 16 will have a chance to get in the last week of the season. So the last week to two are going to be crazy where everybody's fighting for those final spots. So my takeaway is it's a declining business. Let's pivot.

Are you a traditionalist? Do you disagree? Because I get a lot of pushback on this. And I think it's obvious that you got to make a big move here. Well, just remember, I am a traditionalist in the sense that. from a regional perspective, everybody in my part of the country that had their schools in the old SWC, the Southwestern Conference. I mean, we still yearn for all of that. I agree from a business standpoint that you do have to pivot. I mean, I think some of the silliness of how some of these

West Coast teams, you know, it doesn't, on some of these things don't work out. And then, of course, we start looking at other sports and how is that going to work out. But from a football perspective, I get it. And I've watched some of these other divisions, whether it be FCS or whatever, you watch even on a smaller scale what their fans do and how they react to all of that. So I do believe ultimately it's going to be better for everybody. I just I just don't trust. The problem with college football is nobody, the NCAA has kind of ruined so many things. And right now nobody knows who's going to be in charge five years from now. are they going to leave it all up to the conferences?

And the problem, and this is where the traditionalist in me comes in, there's no common good anymore. So the SEC and the Big Ten, and maybe those are only conferences in some ways that you care about, and I get that. But they're so at this point looking out for themselves, maybe, yes, there's a spot for the rest of us at the table through this playoff. But they could blow it up. They could end up screwing this thing up so much. And again, the SEC, when we start, we've gone from like the Power 5 to where people barely even mention that anymore. It's like the big two. And then there's no oversight.

So some of this stuff has, you've got to shore some of this up. Or like the Pact 12 literally is going to disintegrate. And then people are like, well, that's going to help the Big 12. No, it won't because at some point the SEC might like Baylor or might like Oklahoma State or somebody that's, doing really well. We'll take them. Big Ten the same way. Right now they're looking at the Pack 12.

It's trying to stay alive. There's a couple more teams we want. So I get what you're saying, but I do think, you know, the whole regional thing of college football is like why the SEC became so huge and so great. And I don't know. You can just tell I'm conflicted on this, you know.

Well, one of the reasons it became so great in the SEC because Georgia, Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama provide so many great high school programs. Remember, professional sports, the South was the last to really get professional sports. So they have such a commitment and such a deep, embedded, visceral connection to college football is that high school football is still big in the South. I mean, if you take out Atlanta, it's not much of a pro sports region. I mean, seriously. So it's like college football matters more. That's their mantra. That's their slogan.

And high school football is better. It produces, you know, Georgia produces now as many. Think about this. Georgia, I think they have about 6 million people. California's got 39 million. They both produce about 120 Division I players because high school football matters more in Georgia. And so, like, I tip my cap to the South. They care about it.

They promote it. They pay their coaches more. The boosters. I mean, if California gave a shit about college football, we have the fifth biggest economy in the world. Apple could come in and say, we'll pay $10 million for a quarterback. We'll just go get the six best high school players in the country, the best linemen. We don't care that much.

We've got other things we're doing here. But in the South, a car dealer who makes three or four million a year, he'll give $700,000 to his local football program at Auburn. So, like, I'm for people who deeply care about something. I want you to be rewarded. And Southerners deeply care about college football. It makes them feel a certain regional pride. So good for them.

And I just think they're always going to be barring some cheating scandal with multiple schools. They're always going to be at the top. That doesn't mean they always win a national championship. because I do think USC can own California recruiting mostly and get like, we saw it with Pete Carroll, and we're seeing it with Lincoln Riley, who had the number one transfer portal. You can win fast at USC if you get the right coach. But I don't think there's an equivalent.

The Midwest states that footprint geographically just doesn't have as many great high school football players. Even those teams go down to Texas and Georgia and Louisiana and Florida. So all I know is this from a consumer. I just want more, if I go to a grocery store, I want the most good food possible. I love college football. I want more good games. That's what I want.

And I think you're going to get it now with all USC moving and Oklahoma moving in a playoff. We're going to get more good games. Does that, is that resonate at all? Yeah. I think, I think that maybe the thought of not having, I mean, like I sat the other night and covered a Baylor, U. Albany game. And I had several times where I thought, what am I doing here? Why have I chosen this profession that I'm sitting watching a, watching Baylor play, you know, this, nothing against Albany, but they should not have been in that game. And maybe teams will be incentivized to

schedule harder games earlier. So I think there's a, I think there's something to be said for that. I, you know, what you don't want is a team almost like the NFL, you know, rest, you're, you're having a scenario where everybody's trying to do it. Can you get yourself to a certain spot where you could almost rest players at the end of the season because of the expanded playoff? I mean, one thing about only having four is you, you know, you don't, you can't do that. I mean, unless you're a team that goes into the SEC championship game and you can afford to have loss there and turn around and you're going to be in the playoff, that's about the only scenario

where you can have it. So it's going to be so interesting to watch, but I don't trust any of these people because if you think about it, the 11, the presidents got together. And now, you know, of course, it's got to go to the commissioners. And they could have done this like a year ago. And so they're constantly finding ways to screw all this up. So I don't know if we're out of the wood yet, although something new has to be in place by 2006. The biggest motivator is you're going to bring in so many more millions of dollars. Oh, Jesus. Oh, well, yeah, because the college football playoff, Fox will get some, NBC will get some, ESPN will get some.

like the NFL, you'll have multiple networks airing games. Right now, Fox, essentially Fox and ESPN have the biggest college football. That's it. They dominate college football. The NFL wins because they have five different networks, including the NFL network, that has games. Now, Amazon's there, NBC, CBS, Fox, ESPN. You don't want one network owning it.

In fact, I think the NBA makes a mistake that it's ESPN and TNT. I'd get NBC, CBS, or Foxen. involved. So college football with a playoff, Fox is going to be in, ESPN is going to be in, and I guarantee NBC is going to be in three, and they're going to have major parts of that playoff. And that money is going to get spread all around. It's going to be good for the sport. Matt Mosley, good talking to you, buddy.

Go get yourself a glass of Vino, enjoy your family. My wife just walked in. The room suddenly smells beautiful and we'll talk. Oh, man. All right. We'll tell her hey. Hey. All right, buddy.

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