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Starting point is 00:02:31 All right, John Midlakov, former NFL scout. We do this every year, obviously. We go through the first round picks, and let's not waste any time. Let's get past Cam Ward number one. That was an easy one. The most interesting one, and boy, my phone blew up, Cleveland got a haul, I think, way too much for a non-quarterback. So Cleveland gets three of the top 36 picks now.

Starting point is 00:02:56 If you add all the picks they got in from the Jags next year, They're just doing that to get a quarterback next year. So next year of the top 36 picks, Cleveland has three of them. They got a haul, and then they go down to number five and, you know, getting a starting defensive tackle. I'll get to that in a second. But the GM for the Jags, who I was told actually worked from home in St. Louis a lot, even when he was a Rams employee as a young kid.

Starting point is 00:03:22 So this is the adult table being a GM. I don't like the swing. I, Travis Hunter's a great player, but unless he's a pro bowler on both sides of the ball. It feels like way too much to give up. And I think Cleveland was clearly doing it to get ammo for next year's quarterback draft. Yeah, I mean, I think it's the easiest trade that Andrew Barry and Kevin Stefanski will ever make. They might have just got contract extensions from Haslam sitting behind them in the draft room. I'm with you.

Starting point is 00:03:47 How can you make this trade, Colin, when you don't know your team? You know, part of anyone, whether you're taking over a football team, taking over a business, you've got to let it settle and see what you have. Well, there's obviously no way. They haven't even been on the field in shorts and T-shirts. They don't know if their quarterback's any good. They don't know how talented their unit is. I get the ownership there is, you know, flush with money and aggressive and everything.

Starting point is 00:04:09 But I think being this aggressive for Liam Cohen and Gladstone, the young, 34-year-old GM, when they have never worked with the players on their team. It's one thing if you had been around for a couple years and you have a pretty good feel, like, we're a player or two away. Well, let's swing for the fences. That's insane, Colin, to throw away your next year's first round pick. And I get it. He had a front row seat there for Les and Sean trading all those first round picks over the years.

Starting point is 00:04:37 They were typically a player or two away, though, with the Rams. So I thought it was for a non-quarterback. I mean, we've seen some of the 49ers made one for Trey Lance. I think it's one of the craziest draft day trades I can remember for a non-quarterback. I'm trying to think of the last time I got three texts for the first. NFL employees and all went mistake by the Jags, like all landed on the same spot. And this is a very young GM. And again, Travis Hunter is going to be a really sensational talent.

Starting point is 00:05:11 There's no question. But there's also going to be some growing pains on the fact that he's not going to be in meetings for one side of the ball on a regular basis. So, and I mean, listen, this really isn't as much about the Jags. It is Cleveland. They're trying to get out from this tonnage of Deshawn Watson's contract. And the way to do it is get a star quarterback. I mean, that's how the Broncos got out from the tonnage of Russell Wilson.

Starting point is 00:05:34 They got Bo Nicks, who will be free for four years. So, yeah, I didn't like it at all. I just think, you know, we could always take shots at Cleveland, but I've always been a Stefansky fan. And I have people that really like Andrew Barry. I think this is a really easy deal to make. And then, by the way, you slide down to five. Now, a lot of people think Mason Graham is more in the eight to 12 range as a draft pick because it's ceilings low.

Starting point is 00:06:04 And I think in most years, that would be fair. One of the people that loved what Cleveland did didn't love Mason Graham as a number five pick. He said he's closer to 10 than he is to five. But again, he's going to start, you know, in that division, it's a northern division. it's a rugged division. Did you like what Cleveland did at five with Graham after making a pretty shrewd move to get all those picks? Yeah, to me, the note that I wrote down, I mean, Travis Hunter for Cleveland doesn't do that much, right? I mean, they're several players away in their quarterback situation is a disaster.

Starting point is 00:06:41 When you think Mason Graham and you watch the way Michigan's played the last couple of years, obviously in that area too, ideal for the AFC North. Like that, that'd be my thing. Like, that guy is just made to play in cold weather. against Pittsburgh, against Baltimore. Teams that want to play physical, slow down the game. Listen, this is draft.

Starting point is 00:06:59 I mean, McMillan went eight. Kelvin Banks went nine. I mean, this wasn't exactly Tony Bisselli, you know, and Miles Garrett coming off the board here right in this range. So I have no problem with going Mason Graham. To me, they get to take it me and you, Colin. The moment they made that trade, Cleveland won the draft. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:07:19 They get next year's, to me, the likelihood of Jacksonville, first time head coach, young coaching staff, I mean, they could easily be a five, six, win team. We do not know if their quarterback is good. And he has struggled to stay healthy. And I get Liam Cohen had a big year with Baker Mayfield, but Baker, he didn't resurrect. Baker Mayfield was good the previous year, too. That's how Dave Canales got a job. So it's not like he just made Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield is now two good years in a row. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:07:46 So I think that Cleveland, again, could have taken anybody the moment they got the future one and the second. Think how often we see good players get drafted in the 30s. Happens every year regardless how good the draft is. Because the same type player is there in the mid-30s, it can be impact starters that you get for like $1.5 million a year. Yeah. Yeah. And that's what to your point is Cleveland gets Jacksonville's first round pick next year. What's crazy about that is that could be a top six pick. Easy. I mean, that is nuts. We've seen. it happened a couple years in a row where the Lions benefited the one year when they had the

Starting point is 00:08:27 Stafford trade and the Rams had that awful year. And McVeigh thought about quitting football to go work at Amazon. They got a top, what they got the sixth pick that they turned into LaPorta and Gibbs. We saw it the year when Denver was awful in Seattle got a really high pick and took Witherspoon. We have seen these future ones on, it's usually a player trade, Russell Wilson, Matt Stafford, whatever. but sometimes on a draft day trade, remember Chicago traded from 20 to 11 with the Giants. And then they were terrible the next year. And the Giants got multiple picks in the top 10. Now, you still got to make the right pick with that selection.

Starting point is 00:09:08 But the amount of flexibility, if you, let's assume Cleveland isn't going to be that good. I mean, their quarterback situation is disaster. If I tell you next year, they have pick five and nine, you got a lot. to work with. That's why they made the move. So, by the way, draft Kings, all odds provided by draft Kings, if we mention them during this hour podcast, draft Kings had Ashton Genti plus 650 to get drafted number six and plus 475 to get drafted by the Raiders. This was a real obvious one to me, and I had mentioned this multiple times. Gino Smith, with a run game, throwing on play action, is actually a pretty good quarterback. He's very Sam Darnold. When you get a,

Starting point is 00:09:49 gave Sam a little protection and a run game, and he can throw when nobody's quite sure he's throwing, he's very effective. When you force Donald or Gino Smith to throw on third and 11, or they have to throw it a beat fast, that's when you get the mistakes. I thought, Gentie, and I also wonder this, if you look at Pete Carroll's history, he's old school. Yeah. Marshawn Lynch, Reggie Bush, Lendale White, his great teams have had stars in the backfield, which sets the table. which sets the table for his offense. Pete hates mistakes by quarterbacks, and Gino doesn't make a ton when he's throwing on play action. So I think Gentie, I love that pick for the Raiders. I have been probably one of the counterculture movements here with this Ascenti like hype.

Starting point is 00:10:40 I mean, people have been comparing Barry Sanders or, you know, Lidanean Tomlinson. I think any time that you compare a player to the greatest of all time, it's like when you're comparing, Cam Ward to Patrick Holmes, we've got to tell you to pump the brakes. Yeah. But, you know, listen, Kenneth Walker, who was picked later, when he was healthy for Seattle with Charbonnet, their run game was good. Like you said, Gino was really, really good. Yep.

Starting point is 00:11:01 My issue here is, like, I have experience in the Mountain West. I know the difference in the competition relative to the Big Ten and obviously the SEC. It is dramatic. Now, in an individual, like in a vacuum, he has a special talent, and he had the opportunity to surely go to Texas. Ohio State. He turned down money. So it wasn't like people didn't want them. But like playing against Washington State, New Mexico, Fresno State and San Diego State is going to be a little different animal than the Chargers, Denver and Kansas City, which you could argue is the best

Starting point is 00:11:34 defensive division in the sport. We know Minter and how good the Chargers are. So it's just going to be difficult for them. We saw this year, you know, the Raiders offensive lines okay, but it's going to be tough. I just, I get it. I honestly thought they would go, with a lineman there, especially a defensive lineman. You know, remember Pete Carroll over the years has, now it hasn't always worked out. Bruce Irvin. I thought he would be aggressive there, but, you know, they swung for the fences. It gives them some star power.

Starting point is 00:12:02 There's no disputing. It makes them more interesting to watch because they were an unwatchable product the last couple of years. So Austin Gentie, Pete Carroll, Gino Smith, I'll pay attention. I still, I mean, I'm not picking them to win that many games based on what we have on the roster right now. So the Jets go Armand Membou offensive tackle from Missouri, who's kind of a physical freak. A lot of people thought he was the best offensive lineman. Listen, I thought the Jets would go for a tight end. They just have had no production in that area.

Starting point is 00:12:34 But it should be noted. It's a good tight end draft and a good running back draft so they can get that later. There's a story that Breece Hall is not happy. He's not content. He's on his social media, you know, kind of doing some of those. subtle shots or he may be on his way out. I think they're very much in their division, um, weapon light, but I never really have a problem. I've been on this, John, for a long time. I think offensive lines are underdiscust. Of the top eight last year, seven teams went to the

Starting point is 00:13:07 playoffs. And so I don't really have a problem with this. You can get tight ends and running backs in this draft. I totally. I, the Jets went and got their left tackle. last year at Penn State, this is probably their right tackle. I don't have a problem with teams going O-line. Yeah, I love this pick. I mean, I think when you look at their GM, he comes from Denver. Well, how did Sean Payton turn the thing around? They invested in the line.

Starting point is 00:13:32 They already had a left tackle. They signed McClintchy, which we can argue wasn't overpay, but immediately gives them a starter right tackle. They sign a guard from Baltimore. And all of a sudden, they had a legitimate offensive line. And who do they play? They play the Chargers. Well, they had Slater, boom.

Starting point is 00:13:46 when you draft Alt. Last year, they draft the Penn State left tackle. He'll be their left tackle. Now you get the right tackle. That's how you build a foundation. All I've seen is these GMs over the press conferences leading into the draft talk about the importance. The Eagle set the tone. The line of scrimmage, the line of scrimmage.

Starting point is 00:14:01 And then sometimes the draft comes. It's like, ah, let's take Loveland. Let's take Tyler. It's easy to do. And I understand it. And listen, I don't even blame them for doing it sometimes, especially the owner. It's much easier to sell guys scoring touchdown. then it is someone that just gets no stats.

Starting point is 00:14:18 But last time I checked, no one ever complains when your tackles are good. You know? Right. In football. Especially, listen, Justin Fields, I don't know if it's going to work out, but you start to get, like, you already got Soss Gardner, you got Garrett Wilson, you probably sign those guys a long-term contracts, you get a couple good offensive linemen, you already have some defensive linemen.

Starting point is 00:14:37 You do have a lot of pieces on this roster, a little like the Bears a couple years ago, just go, maybe just find your quarterback at Caleb Williams. obviously they're not going to get Caleb Williams, but you know what I mean. Like somehow you're in position if you get a solid player at that position, all of a sudden you've got a good team. Carolina takes Team Act, Tett McMillan wide receiver, who turned off some people during the process. He is known as a glider.

Starting point is 00:15:03 I know Seattle also liked him. Seattle's not drafting here early. Seattle liked him, John Snyder. He's a lot of people think he has to be on the inside, the sliders. lot will be used primarily. He struggles to sometimes get off the line. He's been encouraged to change stylistically. Some of the things he does, maybe he'll get better. He's young. I think he's got to be a little bit more coachable. I think this draft pick was honestly, because they went and got to tackle recently in a draft. I think last year, and they go get an

Starting point is 00:15:38 offensive tackle, if I recall, I may be wrong on that. But I think two years ago, they got the guy from North Carolina State. That's right. I think, I think. think this is about Bryce Young. I think they just want weapons. That's what it feels like to me. Yeah, and I think their coach who came from Tampa Bay, Mike Evans, similar measurements, tall, didn't run that fast. I think is the last guy to not run a sub four or five and get drafted, you know, in the top 10. So you kind of use that as the blueprint. Listen, there are a lot question marks on this individual. I would say he's one of the more polarizing guys discussed to be in the top 20. My issue from a football standpoint, not even counting some of the videos that came out,

Starting point is 00:16:18 does he love football, does he like volleyball more? Historically, guys that make great contested catches in college, that doesn't always translate to the NFL. It's about getting open. Like, can you just consistently get open? If you need me to scheme you open, like, that's the knock. It's why Loveland went ahead of Warren. Yes. You know, Warren, you had to kind of scheme open. Now, he had great ball skills and he's huge. Loveland's like a Kelsey type, right? He's a great Route runner, he's quick. So to me, McMillan, they drafted Leggett last year, another big guy from South Carolina. So you got some big weapons. I do think Bryce gave them a lot of hope down the stretch. But I think this was a pretty risky pick. Which in a draft that most people

Starting point is 00:17:02 don't view as great, I understand taking some risk. So one of the, the love of football thing, Colin, you saw Jay Glazer's tweet. That's a serious thing. And the more and more monies that's around, people get scared off with that. Yeah, no, he was without question. I asked every person I knew in the NFL about him. Totally split. But, you know, Jed Fish was his coach. And I think Jed Fish at times was loved his talent.

Starting point is 00:17:33 But I think Jed Fish, you know, who has a lot of NFL experience and college, you know, Jet's one of those college guys who's coached in the NFL with Belichick and Pete Carroll. I think sometimes Arizona was a bit frustrated. Not that he's not coachable. I just kind of feel like with him, there's a sort of passive sort of, you know, you saw the Booker get drafted by the Cowboys, and that guy might as well be doing somersaults coming down the hallway.

Starting point is 00:17:59 And if you're a cowboy fan, you're watching Tyler Booker, and you're like, damn straight, that guy loves football, and he's totally jacked up. T-Mack sometimes is a little cool for people, and I think that's a turnoff. Now, the Saints at 9 took Kelvin Banks, atrocious O-line, totally get it. By the way, Colston Loveland was plus 650

Starting point is 00:18:19 to be the number 10 pick. He's a very unique player. So I know 3-T, I mean, the Rams and Chargers both liked him. The Bears obviously liked him. And even with Cole Commet, they now have DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, Cole Comette, Colston Loveland.

Starting point is 00:18:34 They went and got Dahlman the center from Atlanta. Joe Tunney, they liked their right tackle. I was texting somebody in the league about this. And one of the things we both landed at was the future of this franchise, they've never had a great quarterback is Caleb Williams. You have to make it work. You know the talent's there. And this is like weapons plus plus plus plus plus plus.

Starting point is 00:18:58 You have to make this work. I don't remember a young quarterback on a second year of a rookie deal getting more help. They go outside Ben Johnson, who's, I was. would say one of the more hyped OCs of the last decade. Yeah. You mentioned, you forgot the Rams offensive linemen that they also traded for that Ben Johnson had coached in Detroit. So they get a new center, two new guards.

Starting point is 00:19:22 They already had invested in tackles. DJ Moore is one of the more versatile players in the league. They invested the ninth pick last year in a Roma, Dunezay. Yeah. So it's like if you're a Chicago, their defensive personnel is already good and they have an established defensive coordinator in Dennis Allen coming. You know, the height. that was behind the Bears last year I thought was crazy. I do think there's some substance now

Starting point is 00:19:44 behind this. Now, I don't know if it's going to work. I got to let it breathe here for a month or two, but there is, you know, legitimate pieces on the offensive and defensive line, a play caller that knows what he's doing, a defensive coordinator. You know, Iber Flues had to be the defensive coordinator and the head coach. He was completely over his head as a head coach, good defensive coordinator. Now Dennis Allen can just focus on the defense. Ben can just be the head coach slash the offensive coordinator and really just focus on Caleb. To me, the question is going to be. And I think this is the working thing with all these young quarterbacks moving in the league. Can they teach them to get rid of the ball quicker?

Starting point is 00:20:18 Yeah. And play in a more rhythm, timing offense, run the ball more like they did in Detroit because, and the one thing they got going against them is the division is really, really good. So it's not like it's it's hard to win 10 games, especially a franchise that has not been winning. But I would feel much, I know the hype was so crazy last year behind the Bears. If I was a Bears fan right now, I would just feel. like we have a real identity and team right now. Well, and I also think if you go look at what happens at the end of the year, it is really hard, even if you have a great defensive team.

Starting point is 00:20:52 Remember, statistically, defensive players get hurt more than offensive players. It's a more reckless side of the ball. And so what, if you start looking at the end of years, great Niner defenses two, three years ago, can get carved up. good Philadelphia defenses can get carved up. And my takeaway is if you're like Pittsburgh's got all sorts of defensive talent. The bears are like, listen, historic, I would go over the last 15 years. They've had very good defensive players.

Starting point is 00:21:23 If you're going to be, if you're going to be heavy on one side of the ball, if you're going to make mistakes, if Romo Dense is a mistake, it's the right side of the ball to make a mistake, not a safety or an off ball linebacker. Like I look at it and I think to myself, there are not a lot of teams in this league, John, that have Colcomit, Colston Loveland at tight end. And by the way, for a young quarterback, tight ends are a great ally. Yeah, two things. You know, we talk so much the hype on Tyler Warren. I mean, his team, because Michigan was bad this year and Loveland had gotten injured, he became kind of the apple of everyone's eye.

Starting point is 00:22:00 He's massive. Well, it's not like Loveland small. He's basically 6-6-250. he's huge. How about Harbaugh as a talent evaluator? I mean, I think they sent a record last year for guys getting drafted in a class. They just, they had an awful team this year. They had three guys get drafted in the top 13 picks. Two of them were defensive tackles. I mean, Harbaugh, say what you want. That guy can evaluate young men to play football. Holy moly. Well, and by the way, that's why when the Charger, I remember talking to Dean Spanos about this, I said you're going to get the next two years. guys will draft as well as anybody because Jim recruited all these players. It was about the third, the first two years for Pete Carroll in Seattle, probably the first two to three years.

Starting point is 00:22:44 Pete crushed the draft. And then by year four, five, and six, you just lose a connectivity to college football. But Harbaugh last year, great draft. This year will be a stupendous draft. And he's probably got them one more year where you recruited guys and saw them on tape. So, or had them on your team. Okay. So San Francisco gets, uh, Mikkel will be. Williams, The Edge. That feels like a, now reportedly, Jordan Schultz said the Niners did look to move up. So there was somebody they were looking at. Williams, to me, feels like best player available, best player on their board.

Starting point is 00:23:20 Because before this draft, a lot of people, I talked to a couple GMs about this. There was about, usually there's 16 to 18, what you consider can't miss guys or really first round talent. This year was about 12 to 13. So my take is Mackell Williams, it's just the best player on the board in their personnel department. Yeah, to me, Jalen Walker, the other pass rusher who I think went to Atlanta at 15, was the better football player. This guy, though, is 20 years old. He started on their team that won the national championship two years ago that had basically every player on the team was a first or second round pick.

Starting point is 00:23:58 Yeah. He's a freak. I mean, 6-5, 270 pounds. like Kirby, Kirby now is what Sabin was a decade ago, you know, recruiting the best of the best, especially up front. So this is a, I texted around to a couple buddies in draft rooms. They said it's a little boomer bust. There's no disputing his physical attributes.

Starting point is 00:24:18 I think he got banged up week one, but his highlight plays over the courses of his career for Georgia. And maybe for San Francisco, you just look what Harry Roseman's done the last couple years. When all else fails, just pick a player from Georgia, especially on the defensive line. you're going to be okay. So I like Jalen Walker a lot, but the knock on him is he was only six foot one. This guy's 65, 270. And I think they think he can get a little bit bigger so you can kind of move him around the defensive line to go with Bosa.

Starting point is 00:24:44 I mean, listen, bottom line, Colin, you're about to pay the quarterback, $150, $175 million guaranteed. This guy's got to be good. And it's not like in three years, they're going to need him to have an impact this year. Yes. How'd the Rams all of a sudden get good last year? Jared Burst. And Fisk, like the two guys they drafted high were just impact guys as the season went. So the pressure on this guy, here's what I do like, though, and this is the Howie Roseman thing.

Starting point is 00:25:11 Imagine the pressure you have as a starter for Georgia. It's like when you played for Alabama, it's basically an NFL program. So these guys are used to the lights being bright, and the expectation is to win every game. So I got no issue with it. He's not 14 career sacks. But that's this draft. I mean, there's not, JJ Watts not going pick 11 or Michael Parsons in this draft. That's right.

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Starting point is 00:30:52 So my takeaway is, again, this is a need. With a left tackle that's struggling, Zach Martin retires, I think Dallas had to go here. By the way, if Philadelphia is in your division, you're going to. going oh and two if you can't block him. Like to me, this is a Philadelphia sort of kind of forces your hand on this. You have to be able to protect that because he's already had two injuries. Especially when their best player is a defensive tackle, right? So, you know, I'll say this about the Cowboys.

Starting point is 00:31:21 Jerry takes a lot of shit for a lot of different reasons. They have drafted pretty darn well over the last decade plus. And they've invested three straight first round picks on the offensive line. Right. A couple years ago, Tyler Smith, when Tyrone's. Smith was kind of at the end of his road and was leaving. Last year, Guyton, they were drafted, you know, later in the in the round because they had been a 12-win team. And then this year, drafting a little bit higher. Some people think this is, he's a guard. So he's never going to

Starting point is 00:31:47 be considered like the best player in the draft, but like one of the best peer players in the draft. Like, this guy's good. So if they can get Guyton, who was a little bit of a project, yeah, coached up with Tyler Smith and this guy, they have put a lot of first round resources into the front to protect. Yeah. And I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, go back to it. Philadelphia is going to force your hand. I mean, don't be surprised if Washington doesn't load up on O&D line. Now that they have Debo and Terry McLaurin, you've got to block Philadelphia. Go ask Patrick Mahomes. It gets ugly fast with that team. And by the way, one of the reasons the Rams could hang with Philadelphia, they were good up front. That, you know, it wasn't

Starting point is 00:32:24 until the end when Jalen Carter burst through, but if you can't hang with Philadelphia, you can't block them, you're not going to compete with them. Plus, Schottenheimer's, you know, his star had dimmed so much from what, 10, 12 years ago, he made his hay as an offensive coordinator as a running game guy, right? He liked to run the ball. I actually think I would expect the Cowboys in the second or third round. This draft's loaded a running back to take a running back. And I would expect them to kind of get back to their roots. You know, Schottenheimer, coach for Pete Carroll and for Rex Ryan and was known as a run game. And remember, he gashed people with the Jets. They led the league in rushing back-to-back years. So I would expect, if not the second,

Starting point is 00:33:04 second round pick, the third round pick, the Cowboys finally to take a running back in this draft. And obviously the emphasis is going to be coaching these young guys up on the offensive line because they've paid CD a bunch, they paid DAC a bunch. I mean, that's part of it. I mean, you got to, when you're paying three or four guys, $30, $40 million a year, you better nail some of your draft picks. Okay, Miami, which does very few things I like. Kenneth Grant, defensive tackle Michigan can get really heavy, which always scares me.

Starting point is 00:33:31 I watched 15 Michigan games the last several years. He was hot and cold. I thought Mason Graham was a much more dependable player, much more consistent player. I thought Graham was great against the run. Kenneth Grant's probably going to be a better pass rusher. He's a massive human being. I don't love a lot of what Miami does. You know, it felt like the first pick in the draft.

Starting point is 00:33:55 T-Mack to Carolina and Kenneth Grant to Miami. I look at Carolina and Miami, and I'm like, And I don't love a lot what they do. What did you make of it? I think Miami's in major trouble, Colin. I mean, I think they are on early watch for, I don't know, number one overall pick. But I think they're going to be pretty bad. I mean, one, that division, you know, the bills kick their ass.

Starting point is 00:34:17 You know, the Jets should just be a little bit more buttoned up this year. And just they just have much better players top to bottom. Now, you know, two is a better quarterback than Justin Fields. But we know the Patriots are going to be better. I mean, I think Miami has got to, chance to compete for like a top five pick. And keep an eye, you know, the McDaniel experiment feels like that's simmering out a little bit. And you know their owner always loves the big name. Remember he chased Harbaugh forever. I could see John Gruden's name getting thrown around.

Starting point is 00:34:47 I think this thing is going to be a complete, you know what show this year. Listen, they're already trying to, they couldn't give Jalen Ramsey away right now. He's making too much money. And clearly he was one of the guys. Mike McDaniel can't get people to show up to his meetings on time. Well, who's not going to show up to the meeting late? The guy's not making that much money. So you know it's not the majority of the team. Who makes the most money on the team? Jalen Ramsey, Tyree Kill. Well, why do they want to trade Jailen Ramsey? He clearly's not listening to anyone in that operation. And the Tyree Kill situation feels like it's unraveling a little bit. I think Miami's got a lot of problems. Weird organization. And that division feels just a little more stable now, definitely

Starting point is 00:35:27 with Vrable, you know, in town. And the Jets are just going to be a little less noisy than they've been the last couple years. So I got Miami on watch to be awful this year. So once again, Chris Ballard is patient. Tyler Warren, the tight end from Penn State, who's wildly productive, plus 165 to go to the Colts. Again, all of our odds are provided by draft kings.

Starting point is 00:35:50 You know, last year they got the edge rusher from UCLA, the first defensive player taken, arguably the best pass rusher in the draft. This is great for them because many suspected myself included Warren would go in the top 12. So they're patient. He falls to them. He's a day one of starter. I think this is one of the better picks. In terms of value, there's an argument that Tyler Warren is one of those 13, 14, 12 players who is considered a first round pick.

Starting point is 00:36:19 Every time I looked at people's evaluation of like clear first round players, Warren was somewhere late in that list, but on that list. I like the pick by Andy. I really do. Well, if I have inaccurate quarterbacks, I'd like a 6-6-6-7 tight end for them to throw it to. So I think, listen, the main question for Indy has not been the talent on offense. I think, you know, Jonathan Taylor, their offensive line's been good. Pittman's a solid player. Tyler Warren is just going to be a pro for a long time. Their quarterback situation.

Starting point is 00:36:53 Even Chris Ballard admitted the other days, like, yeah, these two guys, both are going to help us. I mean, this is not college. Anytime you got to admit, like, we got a quarterback issue. I mean, they admitted it when they gave Daniel Jones, whatever, $14, $15 million. So I'm pro Tyler Warren, probably a pretty easy pick. Listen, I like LATU a lot last year. He did not have a great rookie year. He didn't. And sometimes, you know, technician guys.

Starting point is 00:37:15 That's right. He's got a bunch of moves where Jared VERS is like, I'm just going to run through you. Like, I got all these moves. To me, Tyler Warren, he's a little more scheme dependent than Loveland. but Penn State this year with that Kansas OC, scheming them up. Shane Steichen, scheme guy can scheme them over. Yes.

Starting point is 00:37:32 Makes sense. Great point. To me, though, can their quarterbacks play, Colin? Well, I mean, Anthony Richardson, would it be the most stunning thing in the world if he was traded the next couple days? Probably not. I don't expect them to be, but like, and Daniel Jones, like, they got problems there, Colin.

Starting point is 00:37:46 I had somebody in the league in a personnel department tell me he could not remember a quarterback that was less accurate on stuff 10 yards and under. He just, he could not remember that. By the way, there's some really good picks. Okay, so I don't, Atlanta, Arizona, Cincinnati, whatever. Seattle goes, Gray's Abel, the Guard, North Dakota State, which is a great, which is a great football program. This is really interesting. Let's get to 19 Tampa Bay. So, you know, I love the general manager. of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Have I told to this before? No.

Starting point is 00:38:28 They went and drafted Emeka Egbuka, the wide receiver at Ohio State. I believe, most general managers believe he is one of one, the best receiver or the only receiver to be a first round receiver. I think the Texas kid is a late first rounder. Everybody I talk to, love him. And what's great is he can play sideline, but he didn't take that many snaps outside for Ohio State, for obvious reasons. They're stacked at quarterback with Jeremiah Smith or at receiver.

Starting point is 00:39:05 They're stacked. They don't need sideline receivers. He would be a sideline receiver or a slot receiver in any other program in the country, except like Ohio State and Alabama, because they have so many great players. So he'll come in and immediately play for them. I think he is a prime example,

Starting point is 00:39:21 because he's not a burner, John. he's a prime example of maturity, interviews, professionalism that could have moved him up 10 to 12 spots. He was considered a second round talent the minute the season ended. His value beyond being excellent is he is considered a mature, in a league where we're having wide receiver divas emerge like every weekend. I think his personality is a huge part of him going this high. Well, one thing, I remember the stat last year when the week one is that Tampa had like 43 or 44 drafted players on their 53-man roster. Jason Light has been, if not the best, a top two or three drafter over the last five or six years. And when you look, and the Baker that you originally started talking about back at Oklahoma is a completely different human being now.

Starting point is 00:40:16 Tampa's got a really high-level team, you know, from Worf's to Mike Evans to Vita V. I mean, their guys on their squad are just like, honestly, Jason Light comes from New England. And I'm talking the Vrable Bruisky New England days with Tom Brady. He's kind of built that version with Baker Mayfield as his quarterback. Super smart, super tough. Steve Kime told me he thought Jason Light was one of the best scouts he'd ever followed. Kime told me, because I always, I, Kime got into a discussion with me about two years ago. We're smoking cigars.

Starting point is 00:40:50 and I said, you ever noticed every Buccaneers team is stacked? They just couldn't get the quarterback right before Brady. But like, and he goes, oh, yeah, it's Jason. He goes, he is as good as scout as we've had in this league. He goes, he just didn't miss. He was so good. You know, and that's how you become a GM. You're a great scout initially.

Starting point is 00:41:12 Well, they built their offensive line from taking smaller school tackles and turn them into guards and centers. And, you know, obviously they've had. Mike Evans to kind of settle Invita Veas, like stalwart players minus, you know, separate from Tom Brady. But, yeah, I mean, you tell me, he could have drafted anybody. I'd be like, yeah, I like the pick. Now, like you said, I mean, this guy, didn't he set records at Ohio State for yards,

Starting point is 00:41:38 catches, games? I mean, he's a stud. The other thing is when you go to a team that has, I mean, they re-signed Godwin, they got him on a cheaper number because, remember, he shattered his ankle. Obviously, they still have Evans. This guy, the pressure on him to, they're not going to need him to catch 70 balls next year. Their running game last year with Bucky Irving, I mean, their team, honestly, they, in a weird way, underachieved because they had so many injuries the second half of the season on defense. They couldn't stop anybody.

Starting point is 00:42:08 To me, if they are healthy, there's a pretty big gap in that division, if they're healthy, like between them and the number two team. Like, the only reason it was close between them in Atlanta this year is because they had a pretty big gap. a million injuries on defense. But, like, they're a much better run organization. You know, what Baker's turned into. Like, there's no disputing. Baker has really become the last two years a top 10 quarterback. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:42:32 And clearly just his maturation, like a lot of us guys, you know, in the late 20s, it kicks in, he gets married, has a kid, and he's a different guy. And as a player, he plays much faster, slimed down. His arm's always been great. And now he's got three with Obuka, with Mike Evans and Godwin. and running backs and a good offensive line. I mean, their offense should be really good, Colin. You know, you get to a part of a draft.

Starting point is 00:42:57 Atlanta takes Jalen Walker at 15, Arizona, Walter, Nolan, Ole Miss at 16, Cincinnati, Sherman, Stewart, the Edge. And then Seattle, Gray, Zabel, into Tampa taking Amika, Igbuka. This draft was considered about a 13-player first-round draft. We have first-round talent. So all of these other guys are, you know, they're considered guys that aren't significantly better than the 36th pick. But I will say because of the position Amika Egbuka plays, because of the quarterback he plays with, that he may be the most highly productive player taken out of that top 13 picks. I would be surprised.

Starting point is 00:43:41 I mean, I was talking to former Raider GM Tom Telesco. about him recently. And he just said, you can't not like him. If you watch him on film, you can't not like him. There's nothing. The routes, he's just, there's everything about him

Starting point is 00:43:59 and you watch him on tape. You're like, oh, that's a, that's a slot starter in the NFL, who, by the way, can play on the perimeter. It's just Ohio State so damn stacked. He's not going to do that for them. Well, think about this. At pick 19 and pick 8,

Starting point is 00:44:13 two wide receivers were drafted, right? if you had to invest or bet on one guy, there's no question the safer pick is, you know, Abuca at Tampa Bay. I mean, at eight, McMillan, yeah, he could be good, but would it shock you at all? We've seen a lot of those tight players underachieve. So I wouldn't be stunned if you told me that Tampa, if they had the choice between those two receivers, they might have just gone with Abuja, right? Right.

Starting point is 00:44:40 And I bet there were a lot of teams in the top 20 that weren't necessarily going to take a wide receiver, but felt much more comfortable with the player. And listen, these GMs now, I think have really talked about it the last couple of years. Most of these guys don't fail because, you know, they can't catch or they can't do something. It's because of the human being, the work ethic. They start getting, they don't work as hard. They start getting lapped by other guys that want it more. There's intangible stuff that you can't really, you can scout all you want, but you don't really know until you get the guy in their building. That's where Abuka, I know Jalen Walker, the guy Atlanta got.

Starting point is 00:45:17 Like, their character was elite. Like, I mean, special. So anytime you get those type players with the talent, they usually at minimum become really, really good players. And on the flip side, you know, I'm pro Mike Vrable and the Patriots, and they were in a tough spot. But the Will Campbell pick reminds me a little bit when the 49ers took Solomon Thomas. You meet these guys and you're like,

Starting point is 00:45:42 we just love this guy. We just love this guy. But when you draft a talent that's like, we don't love them at four or three. We'd much rather get them at 12. Sometimes that's where you get in a problem. And Solomon Thomas is going to have a 13-year NFL career, but he didn't get a second contract from the Niners.

Starting point is 00:45:58 And that's the thing with Will Campbell. Like, his character is just elite. But as a player, again, he's multiple-year starter in the SEC. Sometimes, you know, the character can sway a team instead of taking the more talent. I don't think anyone in the NFL would tell you that Membu possesses more physical gifts than Campbell, right? But there aren't any questions with Campbell in terms of like he's a pro already like last week. And that's the hard part about the draft. So the Denver Broncos, many of us suspected they'd take offense for Bo Nix.

Starting point is 00:46:33 They went and got across from Patrick Sertan, they went and got the Texas corner Joddy Barron, who many runs better. So by the way, Will Johnson at Michigan now has not been drafted yet. The concern with him is he ran over a four or five. So Barron's an interesting corner because the kind of the belief is neither one of the top corners in this draft are burners. But Barron's a guy that does everything well. That's what I can't. If you look at his draft preview, that he again played against elite competition,

Starting point is 00:47:03 played against great receivers, has gone against SEC, has gone against, like, you know, like Ohio state level players. and Barron's just a guy that doesn't make a ton of mistakes. As a former NFL scout, does that translate? I mean, again, this is not a draft where you've got four, three, five corners. There's just, it's Will Johnson and Barron are not considered burners. Yeah, to me, I think Will Johnson, I thought coming into the year was like a top 10 pick, and then he got banged up.

Starting point is 00:47:32 He's more of a zone corner. But I think he's good. Someone's going to get him late. If he ends up to the Eagles at pick 32, I'm just going to fall out of my chair. But I think the thing with Barron is like nickel corners or guys that can play inside are viewed much stronger now than they used to be because so many teams run three and four wide receiver sets. So anytime that I get a guy that I can move inside and out and that will tackle, that's the other thing with Barron. He's like this versatile chess piece that will tackle. So if I'm going to play inside, I need to be, I'm taking a linebacker off the field.

Starting point is 00:48:05 I need to be a run support player where I think Will Johnson, he is just, you know, an outside corner, right? And that's all he does is an outside corner. But I'm telling you, Colin, that guy, I thought two years ago on the national championship team, he was like their best player in their team. And this is where I think we got to be careful about like over, yeah, okay, he runs a four or five two. But if you run a zone scheme like Fangio or what Robert Sala does, this guy will make

Starting point is 00:48:31 place all day long. So I think sometimes these teams, they get that number, which I understand. But I think that sometimes it works out. better. I mean, this guy's going to end up on a playoff team. So, hell, so it's or Baron, both these guys are. Okay, so the Pittsburgh Steelers, obviously, at 21 around the clock, and the many suspect they're going to go get Shador Sanders. You know, it's funny, one of the things about Shudor Sanders that I hear, and I just, I don't understand it. It's as if people didn't

Starting point is 00:49:00 watch him play. This idea that he is immobile. Well, I thought he was a more mobile quarterback than C.J. Stroud, who is more than mobile enough. Now, I mean, again, you'd you'd like Jared Goff to be able to move better. CJ Stroud can move when you need him to move. We saw that when he was a Buckeye against Georgia. We've seen it in the NFL. When he's flushed out of the pocket, he's fine, and he's accurate when he moves.

Starting point is 00:49:23 This idea that Shadoor Sanders can't move, they had arguably as bad an offensive line as any of the top 10 quarterbacks that'll get drafted in this draft had. I mean, if you go look at Syracuse O-line or Notre Dame's O-Line for Riley Leonard, or Cam Ward's O-line. Shooter had easily the worst O-line of all these players.

Starting point is 00:49:45 Jalen Milrose O-line was better. Jackson Darts O-line was better. I think Shadur Sandit, I just, that criticism of him, you know, he's very stationary. It's like, then why, when I watch them play, he was almost always on the move? Yeah, I think people probably aren't fairly comparing him to his dad. I mean, even they've all admitted he got the jeans from his mom. I just look Pat Mahomes, who I think of the, top guys, right? Josh Allen's faster, obviously Lamar, Herbert, Joe Burroughs not viewed much more

Starting point is 00:50:17 like a pocket quarterback, but of the top three or four guys that are mobile, Pat Mahomes is viewed as the slowest. Yet when you watch him, he has such an instinctive mobility that he's a really good scrambler. He ran a 4840. Now, no one runs the 40 anymore for some reason. To me, Shador is running a 47, 5, 48. Mahomes moves more than well enough, right, in the NFL. I put Shadour that way. Like, you're not going to run. zone read plays like you would for Jalen Hertz or Kyler Murray for him. But I'm with you. He's not talking Kirk Cousins here in the pocket. He's just not his father. Now for a segment called Power Players brought to you by BMW, the ultimate driving machine.

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Starting point is 00:55:11 They reached on Kenny Pickett. So I had a GM tell me, a Super Bowl winning GM tell me they had Kenny Pickett as a high to mid third level quarterback. They saw him as a backup or as an occasional emergency starter. So Pittsburgh needs a quarterback and they're passing on Shador Sanders. I got to believe Shador doesn't get drafted in the first round. Yeah, I would say it's very much in doubt as we sit here right now. I would say this, though, you know, I would put Mack Jones and Kenny Pickett in the same little group. Historically, those guys are third and fourth round picks that were drafted 15th and 20th.

Starting point is 00:55:46 I would say Shador Sanders is a better prospect than both guys. I do think, though, the NFL, maybe it's just because of this draft. Obviously, last draft, so many teams acquired quarterbacks. We still have a lot of guys between what, 26 and early 30s in the prime of their career. So we actually have a lot of teams that don't necessarily need quarterbacks and have highly paid guys. I think Shadour is a better prospect than some of the best. these guys that have been drafted high in recent memory. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:56:13 But I do think these teams are getting away from like, historically, we could find starters in the second and third round. Let's get back to that. Let's just take this guy at pick 45. And I also think getting picked at pick 45 is like you're some loser. I mean, look at the history of the league. I mean, most of, we know for a fact on a given year that typically it's like 48 to 52% guys in the first round will not have their.

Starting point is 00:56:41 fifth year option picked up. Right. This draft is not viewed as great. So if we just kind of skew it a little bit more, there's a chance that, you know, four out of, you know, four out of ten guys in this draft class in the first round will have their fifth year option. So 60% of the guys, one of their fifth year option picked up. So a lot of starters in this draft are going to come the second, third, and fourth round.

Starting point is 00:57:01 And also when you fall, sometimes that works out to your benefit. Like, Cam Ward, interesting prospect, going to a pretty terrible team. It's probably going to be pretty tough, right? We've seen Trevor Lawrence in Jacksonville. Now, he might have been overrated or whatever, but his career has not gone well. And we see some of these guys that get drafted a little bit later. It's like you get to go to a pretty good spot. So, yeah, I mean, unless you don't think the Rams are going to take him, do you?

Starting point is 00:57:26 I think the Rams would go with Jackson Dart over Sidor Sanders. I think a lot of teams have Jackson Dart over Shador Sanders. Yeah, no. Listen, the chargers are now on the clock as we do this. says if you're listening to this, we started this about pick 1314 because by the end of the first round, you know, we want to get this puppy out to you as fast as we can. Listen, I think one of the things about this draft that makes it particularly interesting, A, it's a weak draft. And B, most, and this is always the case, the better teams are at the end of the first round, but the better

Starting point is 00:58:04 coaches, the offensive guys. I mean, you start looking now, you got Sean Payton at 20. you've got Jim Harbaugh, Matt LaFleur, Kevin O'Connell's coming up. Here comes Sean McVeigh, John Harbaugh, Andy Reid, Nick Sariani. This is the rare draft, John. After about, I mean, honestly, after the Bears pick at number 10, because I was really interested partly because I'm moving there. But I think where the draft really starts getting interesting is kind of right now. at 22, because we know Harbaugh is going to draft much better than the average coach in this league and organization.

Starting point is 00:58:49 And most of your really respected offensive coaches are not drafting at the top of this draft. Yeah. And here's the other thing, Colin. Think about last year. So a lot of these teams that are drafting here in the mid to late 20s played in the playoffs, late in the playoffs, won the Super Bowl, obviously. The Chiefs, they drafted Xavier Worthy High. What did Xavier Worthy do down the stretch? Made a lot of plays.

Starting point is 00:59:17 The Eagles drafted Mitchell, the corner from Toledo. What did he do? I don't know, just started all season long for them, and that was one of the better rookie corners. You know, the bills drafted Keon Coleman. They're going to need a little bit more for him next year. The Lions drafted Arnold, the corner from Alabama last year, starting corner for him.

Starting point is 00:59:33 I mean, these are guys, these are 12 to 14, 15 win teams that we're all watching Sunday night football. And then obviously in January, the guys, the guys they pick, whoever the Rams pick, whoever the Chargers pick, whoever the Ravens pick, more than likely he's going to be starters on double-digit win teams that have a chance to win the Super Bowl. So for as great as a pick as Travis Hunter is, like he had one of the most remarkable, I mean, think about it, Colin. He had one of the best six months we've ever seen. He literally played both ways, Division I College, won the Heisman.

Starting point is 01:00:01 He had a team trade multiple first-round picks to move up three spots to draft him. We'll probably never see that again. Yet more than likely he's going to be like a five or six-win team. And by October, by, you know, I would say by Halloween, you and I will have them in a little screen down the bottom of the left of one of our television and stop paying attention to them. Yet whoever the Rams take or whoever the Lions take, Chris Collinsworth is going to be calling those games on Sunday Night Football with 25 million people watching. No, if you look at the draft so far, there's only two players that I believe can turn losses into wins. Cam Ward at Tennessee replacing Will Levis. If I told you they won four more, games just simply because of significant upgrade at quarterback in that division.

Starting point is 01:00:46 I think we both go, yeah, yeah. I mean, Cam Ward to Will Levis is a D to a B. And the other player that I, I mean, this draft is not exceptional. I do think Ashton Gentie will be a pretty spectacular player for the Raiders and with Chip Kelly's brain, Brock Bowers, Dino Smith. This is not a draft where people are changing outcomes. and Jaden Daniels changed outcomes. We thought Caleb Williams would have.

Starting point is 01:01:13 Bo Nicks changed outcomes. I could argue that Tennessee and Vegas will be because of their first round players. Would you agree? Noticably more dynamic offenses in an offensive league. Yeah, I think there's been one team minimum from the top five that has made the playoffs over the last five years. And, you know, I remember when the 49th. had the number two overall pick and they took Bosa and then all of a sudden they had a 13 win team and they were in the Super Bowl in 2019. I don't know if there's one of those teams here, but I'm with you. I mean, they lost

Starting point is 01:01:48 Josh Jacobs last year, the Raiders and their running game was a Joe. I mean, they were just, they were in bad shaped as an organization. So anytime you get a guy that that is that good. But like I said, you know, going from the mountain west, he's a fantastic prospect and a fantastic. His, his tape this year looked like a high school kid going to Nick Sabin in his prime. But it's a pretty big difference. I mean, their division is really, really hard. And, you know, Cleveland, I think is cool with setting back. I do think there's a lot of pressure on Will Campbell.

Starting point is 01:02:19 He is a guy that if we assume that the Patriots are going to be a viable, you know, low, like, kind of like Denver was this year operation. They're going to need Will Campbell to, they don't need to be Trent Williams, but can he just be a starter, a solid player that you can kind of rely on immediately? There's going to be, listen, the arm length thing, people put. push back, but I know it's crazy to sound like an inch is a make or break deal, but historically, it is difficult out there on edge. Think how many teams now have good pass rushers, right?

Starting point is 01:02:50 Like the Jets have a good pass rush. We know the bills have multiple pass rushes. Well, think about this. Think about the pass rushing position. Think about the two positions in football that feel significantly better than 10 years ago. Tight end is now a, no, it's not just a blocker. Tight ends now are vertical. and edge rusher.

Starting point is 01:03:09 Well, they're both 6-5, you know, 245 to 250-pound athletes. There's just more of those. God, if you watch Major League Baseball, how many pitchers are 6-5? I mean, how many guys throw 98? We've had this explosion of big athletes, often with dads that were former pro athletes. And these guys are ending up a lot of the time at tight end, doing stuff like Brock Bowers and Colston Loveland that you just didn't see tight ends do. You can split them out wide.

Starting point is 01:03:36 they can beat corners down the field, and then defensive ends and edge rushers. There's just so many athletic guys now on the edge. Okay, the Chargers select O'Marion Hampton, the running back from North Carolina. Okay, so this is interesting. So I went to dinner with Greg Roman, the offensive coordinator for the Chargers. I think it was on Friday night. And, you know, he's not going to give me any intel. But we really talked a lot about football and what the team needed.

Starting point is 01:04:05 And I wasn't going to pry information. But the one thing that we, you know, we agreed with, I said, I wouldn't be shocked if you guys didn't go tight end running back interior offensive lineman wide receiver. And, you know, Greg acknowledged, he goes, listen, we got good players, but we probably need a little juice. We probably need a little bit more juice. And that's that, and I said, do you like Colston Loveland? He's like, everybody likes Colston Loveland. Do you like Hampton? He goes, everybody likes Hampton.

Starting point is 01:04:34 So, I mean, this to me, Naji Harris and Hampton, okay, now with Joel Alt last year, Mershawr-Slaid at left tackle, John, this is a Jim Harbaugh football team. I picked them to win their division this year. This is a Jim Harbaugh football team between those two pick a power running speed guy, Najee Harris, by the way, similar. Now, he didn't have the burst of Hampton, but Najee Harris is a power running back. I mean, even last year, J.K. Dobbins, who's got some girth to him, got some size, this is really starting to feel like a Jim Harbaugh team. Well, if you had to bet right now who's going to have the better career, Omerian Hampton with Harbaugh, who's, I think, going to retire as the Chargers coach.

Starting point is 01:05:20 And Gentie, with the Raider situation, you would have to bet on Jim Harbaugh and his running back. So, you know, I think a lot of teams in the league thought that Omerian Hampton was a big-time player. Now, Gentie got all the buzz and all the hype. This guy's a stud, Colin. They gave Najee Harris some money. I mean, think about the discussion when D.K. Meckhaff was on the block that the chargers are going to go trade for him. It's like, guys, I never understand these people making these guesses about what Harbaugh is going to do that is just so different from what he's done for 15, 20 years. Offensive linemen running backs.

Starting point is 01:06:00 he'll take another linebacker. I mean, it's the way he builds his team. They're going to be good. I mean, it was pretty clear last year with Denver and with the Chargers. That was going to be the worst version of those two teams for Sean Payton and him moving forward. That's why the pressure on, you know, Vech and Andy feel it. Like, we got to stay, we got to keep nailing picks. We got to keep being good because these guys are coming.

Starting point is 01:06:22 And listen, I'm not trying to be a Raider hater here. They're going to be better. But from a roster standpoint, to me, they're clearly the fourth operation. in this division. So if you look at what they have now, they have their quarterback and Justin Herbert. They have their left and right tackle, Slater and Joe Alt. They have Najee Harris, who was clearly underutilized and undercoached in Pittsburgh. I mean, he even admitted, Nogie Harris acknowledged, we didn't really have, we didn't really have an identity in Pittsburgh, which they don't effectively. Now you've got Hampton, the breakway runner, and Naji Harris, the power runner,

Starting point is 01:07:00 the offense now, now they're going to go interior all lineman, sideline receiver, and tied in. At some point in this draft, that's where they're going. It feels like, to me, this is one of the more predictable teams in the draft, because the defense, let's face it, last year, it overachieved, or at least achieved to the level it should have with Brandon Staley. I think the chargers, I think everybody in the ballpark knows that Greg Roman needs juice and he just got a powder keg of it.

Starting point is 01:07:31 Yeah, I mean, I saw Greg Roman a decade ago with Frank Gore kicking everyone's ass. And that Harbaugh team, their best receiver was Michael Crabtree. And I think we all believe that Justin Herbert has a chance. I know he had a really bad playoff game. Peyton Manning had a bunch. I mean, the NFL, you don't get a seven-game series. So you have a bad playoff game. It leaves the stink at everyone's mouth.

Starting point is 01:07:52 Do you want to sell Justin Herbert stock? I'll buy some. I would imagine Greg Roman says, like, we like, this quarterback a lot. And I don't blame him. So I think the Chargers, listen, I mean, if I was a betting man, I would say that Jim Harbaugh is going to end his coaching career as a Super Bowl champion. Now, it might not happen in 2025, but they are going to be a major, major factor, not just in the AFC, but in the NFL, I think over the next several years. I mean, this guy is basically six foot, 225 pounds, ran a 4-4-5. This guy's a stud. I mean, this guy, part of when you draft this player,

Starting point is 01:08:27 He's going to be with the nucleus of Alt and Slater and Herbert now for the next five, six years. Like this is part of that nucleus with some of the guys they drafted last year. And to me, of Najee, you know, for a while, he got overdrafted. Yeah, looking back. You know, he's a first round pick, but he's not that good. But he's a good role player. And I think sometimes in Pittsburgh, they were very dependent on him. Now he just gets to be a role player for Jim Harbaugh, who will mix these running backs in with Greg Roman.

Starting point is 01:08:55 And they will run the ball down your throat. They're going to play defense and run the ball down your throat. He's been doing it. I mean, he probably wished he could have done it when he was a quarterback, and he's been doing it ever since he was a coach. So I couldn't be any more bullish on the Chargers. Least shocking pick so far the night. Harbaugh took a running back in the first round.

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Starting point is 01:09:57 Two months, Fubo TV. All right, John, they held a draft in Green Bay. There's 250,000 people there. It's absolutely magical looking on television. It's incredibly gripping. And, you know, I really believe this to be true. I think there are certain cities in America, and Green Bay is one of them. Buffalo, obviously, the Buffalo bills.

Starting point is 01:10:25 Baltimore's got to feel like this. They're not as flashy. And so I think there's a feeling in the building that you do have to work harder and smarter than other teams. And, you know, like Miami, I mean, look at the NFL right now. Miami's a mess. Both New York teams are a mess. Chicago's been a mess for a long time. I think sometimes, you know, Dallas, I would argue, does not have anything resembling a top 10 roster. I think a lot of times, somebody told me this year's ago, be careful who you draft when you live in port cities, you know, like New York, New Orleans, Miami, you know, a San Francisco,

Starting point is 01:10:59 L.A. There's just more to do. Port cities have, you know, really cool areas. They're livelier. But I think Green Bay is really a testament because it's the smallest North American sports market is that I certainly believe they're on a short list. If you told me who was drafted better than anybody over the last 25 years, Green Bay has to be on a short list. First of all, they never take offensive linemen in the first round, yet they never have bad offensive lines. In fact, they overwhelmingly don't draft offensive players in the first round, and yet they almost always have more productive offenses than the league average. Well, that's drafting and developing.

Starting point is 01:11:44 And whatever you think of Jordan Love, there's no question he has first round talent. Now, can he stay healthy? Can he be more consistent? But, I mean, I look at Green Bay, and I love what the NFL is doing, because I went to a couple of drafts in New York. It was fine, but everything's hard in New York. Everything. The Super Bowl was hard. The drafts are hard. It's just, you know, if you ever end up in New York during UN week, forget about it. I mean, just forget about it. But it's just, I look at Green Bay. I think they selected, by the way, Matthew Golden, wide receiver Texas. So that's interesting. They feel Christian Watson can't stay healthy. This is a really interesting pick. I wonder if this is just best player they had from their scouting report. Because we like their wide receiver group. We really like it. But the truth. But the truth. truth is, because Watson can't stay healthy, there's a feeling that they've got a bunch of twos and threes and they don't have a one, or is this signaling one of their young receivers

Starting point is 01:12:44 was really inconsistent? And I'm wondering if this is a sign they may move off one of their young receivers, or is this a, we don't have a number one? Because I love Watson, big. Towards ACL. Yeah, and so my take with them, Green Bay is, I mean, he's very likely the best player on their board. I mean, this was a guy that was discussed to go in the top 15. I think when you look at Green Bay, you lose Watson to the ACL injury. Dobbs is wearing the concussion cap, and he got a concussion to end the season, which was several. You know, I think I liked Wix, but he wasn't the most productive relative to his skill. Very inconsistent.

Starting point is 01:13:32 You know, I think the one thing that makes the Packers pretty special is most teams, just like most companies, once you get to be a billion dollar operation, you kind of cycle from outside. Like Starbucks needed a new CEO. They hired the dude from Chipotle. You know, the 49ers, when they were looking, they went and got Kyle Shanahan from Atlanta and John Lynch from Fox. the Green Bay Packers, once Ron Wolfe took over in, I think, either late 80s or early 90s, Ted Thompson had worked for that organization for like 30 years. And he became the general manager like 15 or 20 years in. Goudicent, same thing.

Starting point is 01:14:05 I think Goudicons has been in the organization. It's in the late 90s. So they speak the same language. It's like when Steve Jobs to Tim Cook, it was like under the same umbrella. That never happens in the NFL. Usually once I fire everybody, the Jags, I hire two new people from two new places. So you get all these different philosophical beliefs. This guy has a mentor.

Starting point is 01:14:24 This guy had a mentor. All the mentors in Green Bay stem back to Ron Wolf. It's like, you know, the one thing with the Walsh guys, they're all different places, but they're all fundamentally driven by Walsh, to Holmgren, to Andy. It all kind of broke down that way. But they were all different organizations. The scouting in the front office never left Green Bay. You know, they went from Ron Wolf to Ted Thompson to Gutikins,

Starting point is 01:14:47 who were all in the building as they transition. That's unheard of. It's kind of unique. I mean, Howie Roseman's been with the Eagles for 25 plus years now. That's not very normal. This is a nomadic profession. It's kind of crazy that, you know, Sean McVeigh and Les Need have been together as long as they have.

Starting point is 01:15:02 That doesn't happen very often in the end of. Look at the Giants. They're running through coaches and GMs. The only reason they didn't fire everybody because he felt kind of bad every couple years he was firing people. But I think the Packers, in just in terms of stability, have a pretty special thing going. It's why back to the Rogers thing.

Starting point is 01:15:19 And same with Devante Adams. It's like, I don't know if you guys realize how good you have it here. No. Is it perfect? No. But is it better than 90% of the league? Hell yeah. Well, I mean, look at, I mean, let's be honest. Look at Aaron's career since he left.

Starting point is 01:15:32 It's a mess. It's kind of embarrassing. Yeah, it's embarrassing. Like, forget the injury. He's needy. You know, he's kind of semi, you know, he's disinterested. I mean, his career has been, I mean, he's more. I think of him as, I think of him in human terms more than football terms.

Starting point is 01:15:49 I don't even think of them as a quarterback. I just think of kind of now as a personality. And it's like, that's when you're done. So, and I, and I also think I used to call it the Green Bay quarterback syndrome. It's a pretty easy media. It's a small market. You can't go to the grocery store. You know, you can hide in a lot of these cities.

Starting point is 01:16:09 Like, you know, in New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, you put a cap and glasses on. I mean, you put a hoodie on. You can, you can walk in and out of places pretty regularly. Green Bay, you can't. And I do think it wears on you a little bit. Like you are so, there's no owner to hold you accountable for stuff. You can, you know, Aaron, Farve, we're taking passive aggressive shots or aggressive shots at the front office. You don't have an owner to tell you, you know, hey, stop it or we'll move you. So I do think it is, it's different, not difficult, it's different to be a quarterback in Green Bay. But here's what's not difficult. They never have

Starting point is 01:16:46 battle lines. They don't necessarily have a number one receiver, but you always have good weapons. Green Bay's always furnished people with good weapons. The knock on Green Bay has always been. Hasn't it always been? God, the defense should be better. We always like their personnel more than their productivity. But, and their defense improved last year because they hired Jeff Hathley. Yes. And now it felt like, you know, the offense in a weird way led them down, which was kind of understandable because they had so many injuries at wide receiver. The quarterback got hurt in the first game, and his season was just kind of weird. But he showed some flashes, but it wasn't quite as high.

Starting point is 01:17:23 But you believe in LaFleur. You know, Jordan Love, I'd still buy stock in that situation. Josh Jacobs is one of the best running backs in the league. And to me defensively, I think last year they were not good in the division. You know, they lost to Detroit. I'm pretty sure that they went, which is pretty crazy, that they went one in five or something. in the division. I'm pulling it up right now. The Green Bay Packers, they went one in five in the division, Colin. So think about that the Green Bay Packers won 11 games, and they won one. I mean,

Starting point is 01:17:56 they lost a game to the Bears, which is now it was the last game of the season or whatever, but still, one in five. So, you know, I know Packer fans, a little let down the way that ended. I get your division's good. Even an average year you're going to win, split them, three and three. So you're an 11-win team with one divisional win. You add a couple more. You're much closer to me that 13 wins than you are nine. I think the Packers are going to be good. It would not shock me at all. I mean, let's face it, there's a major question mark at quarterback in Minnesota. Their roster is awesome. But the quarterback, the chances that, what's Sam Donald? Just throw 35, 36 touchdowns. Is JJ McCarthy going to do that?

Starting point is 01:18:33 I mean, look at all these guys getting drafted off Michigan. I mean, honestly, Jim Harbaugh's team the last two years resemble something of Sabin or Kirby Smart. You know, Ohio State? You know, what's interesting, John, as I look at this draft. So let's start with 21 Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh Chargers, Green Bay, I'm going in order. Pittsburgh Chargers, Green Bay, Minnesota, Houston, Rams, Baltimore, Detroit. Those are really good rosters. Washington at 29, then Buffalo, Kansas City, Philadelphia. The downside to Washington's year, they have a roster that should be drafting six, but Jayden Daniels was so good. I mean, you look at all these rosters around Washington before and after, you're like, oh, those are

Starting point is 01:19:11 top 12 rosters. Washington's probably like 21. So the downside to Jaden Daniels' success was, oh, crap, we could really. So Washington is going to be drafting at the end of all these rounds. Now, they got Jaden Daniels, nobody's crying for them. But I do think their roster is closer to the Raiders, I would argue, than it is the teams that surround them. Philadelphia, Buffalo, Detroit, Baltimore, Rams, Minnesota, Green Bay, Chargers, Pittsburgh, even Denver's got a pretty good roster at 20. Tampa Bay at 19 does. So just the thought is I'm looking over the teams that remain.

Starting point is 01:19:50 Minnesota has to be one of the worst rosters in recent memory. Oh, I can't remember a roster that bad. Being in a conference. And that's why it speaks to the power of coaching and quarterback play in the NFL. If you got those two things, you got a real chance. And obviously, Dan Quinn, coach of the year level. And Jaden, I mean, I don't know, one of the greatest rookie seasons we've ever seen. Now, they did add, now we'll see.

Starting point is 01:20:13 know, is Debo shot? Does he have, you know, one last season in him? You add Laramie Tunzel. I mean, they've added some veteran players instead of just buying average guys in free agency. They said, yeah, we'll trade some mid-round picks for some potentially higher-end players that are veteran guys. So they've taken a different tactic utilizing Jane Daniels' rookie contract. You know, I think Debo's going to have a little bit of a fire lid under him. And Laramie Tunzel just, I mean, a flawed great player, but a pretty high-end left tackle. So they've, I think their roster is going to look much better. And I think Adam Peters is, I think he's a stud.

Starting point is 01:20:49 So I'd expect him to have a good draft. Minnesota takes Donovan Jackson. Offensive line for Ohio State by Buckeye standards because of the injuries and moving players out of position was not as good as average Ohio State lines. I mean, they won the Natty, but it felt like a lot of that was defense, wide receiver, running back. So Donovan Jackson guard Ohio State. I think we largely looked at this Minnesota team is one of the questions was we loved them everywhere, but the O line. Again, I will never criticize teams for going O line. Even the guys that miss, one of the Jets a few years ago took a left tackle that had weight issues,

Starting point is 01:21:27 Mackay Bechtin. I'll never criticize you for going there. You know, the right tackle for the Giants from Alabama appears to be a miss. I get it. So J.J. McCarthy's had injuries. Donovan Jackson, a guard, interior al lineman. I mean, what's the first thing Chicago does? Drew Dalman and Joe Tunney and Jonah Jackson.

Starting point is 01:21:46 The first thing Ben Johnson does, he makes sure Caleb Williams' feet, guard, center guard, will be safe. So Minnesota takes Donovan Jackson, Houston on the clock. You know, so if you look at the draft right now, if I said to you your favorite pick, and we're currently through 24, and I don't want to be a homer. But doesn't it feel like the Chargers getting Hampton, the running back at 22, is about as good as you're going to do in this draft? I mean, no, what does the steel mean?

Starting point is 01:22:23 And again, it's hard to give out draft grades. I saw Scott Van Pelt laughing at people who give out draft grades. We don't know. But boy, at 22, does Mario Hampton not feel like the value pick of the draft so far? Harbaugh, out of Mish, last year. Joe Walt, who by the way, Greg Roman told me, wait until you see Joe Alt. He goes, he's going to have an unbelievable season.

Starting point is 01:22:49 He goes, people understand, doesn't matter where you play, left or right tackle. That is such a hard position first year in the NFL. These edge rushers, as you noted earlier, are so good. Greg was like, Joe Walt thought he had a terrible season. I'm like, Joe, you didn't. He goes, this is a really hard league to try to block edge rushers. You know what's crazy is I was like in my experience guys that are that tall 6-9, it's difficult for them to bend. And I remember when I first kind of dove into Alton texted around.

Starting point is 01:23:20 They're like, yeah, don't worry, he's an elite athlete. And I'm with you. I watched him last year. I was like, this is one of the better rookie tackles I can remember. I think all these picks like starting with the good teams, starting with Tampa, I mean, Denver, Barron. I think a lot of people think he's one of the better players in this draft, the Chargers, Hampton. I mean, Golden, people love this. guy. He goes to the Packers. You want to list some wide receivers they've drafted over the years.

Starting point is 01:23:43 Vonti Adams, Jordy Nelson, they got a pretty good history. Here we go. I just think all these guys are going to be impact players on good teams. Well, the rumors and the reporting were right. The New York Giants make a trade with the Houston Texans move up and select Jackson Dart, quarterback Ole Miss. So I have somebody in this league. I trust a lot. And he, He said that Brian Dayball really liked Jackson Dar. I'm very cool on him, mostly because when I watched him against, you know,

Starting point is 01:24:16 I watched them play LSU, Bama, Georgia, Florida. Those are the games I watch with Ole Miss, like everybody else is watching on a Saturday. He wasn't spectacular. I mean, he's a good player. I don't think there's any question. He went to the same high school as Zach Wilson,

Starting point is 01:24:30 ran the same offense. What I worry about is that Lane's offense, you know, has a lot of stick routes, bubble screens, are built in, and Ole Miss has really good talent. I mean, Lane can really recruit quarterbacks, running backs, wide receivers. Lane's an elite recruiter. And I also think Lane is a, schematically, is a well above average college coach.

Starting point is 01:24:52 So I worry that Jackson Dart, a lot of that stuff is built in, and he still in big games, is completing 58, 59%. What do you hear and what do you make of Jackson Dart? You know when you meet someone that everyone you know likes, but you have a bad first impression, and you're like, I don't get it. I had something's off with this guy. My first time really diving into this guy was watching him against Florida, and he imploded at the end of the game and through interceptions. Now, you and I remember watching him at USC that last year.

Starting point is 01:25:26 I think Clay Helton was still the coach, right? Yeah. And it was like, ah, there's something there, but then he immediately transfers the lane. Listen, physically, he's obviously has a talented arm. good little athletes, but that Florida game in a game that was must win for them to get into the playoffs. And, you know, Ole Miss was like a legitimate playoff pick. Oh, no, no. They were going to compete for the national champions.

Starting point is 01:25:46 Yes. I think you had the number one portal class. They spent a bunch of money. And Dart just kind of let them down in some big games. I would say, yeah, when the season ends, you're thinking like third round, like this guy is one of those guys that's going to get drafted on the second day, maybe become a starter. But to end up, the draft process was really. good to him. He was a guy, you know, we talk about risers, which I hate that sometimes like this last week. No one's rising this last week. But over the course of the last couple months, coaches get to

Starting point is 01:26:17 meet you, they get you on the board, they work you out personally. That's how you rise. Because I think it's fair to say when the season ended, if you just pulled scouts that were going into Ole Miss, general managers, then I watched them, this guy was not a first round graded quarterback. And this is someone, you know, Shadour, some question marks. The way they handled everything, this is a guy that, like, tries to interview incredibly well. And I, that can get you in trouble. So I'm with you. I think this is, I mean, what's you going to do? Start. It's not like he's going to play. He's not beating out, you know, Russell Wilson. But is this situation where if the giants aren't that good, all of a sudden people are chanting his name and MetLife? And he's starting week eight,

Starting point is 01:26:58 nine, or ten. And here's the other thing, Colin. When you trade up for this player. The new coaching staff coming in if they don't win games, I mean, they have to make the playoffs to get contract extensions? What if they go 7 and 10? And they get fired and the new coach has to inherit this guy that you just trade it up to

Starting point is 01:27:16 get? I mean, I don't know what they, I don't know if they traded a future first round pick. They didn't have to, but it's not like they gave away nothing. So, I don't know. I think these these type moves are a little risky from my blood. Hey, it's us to Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news?

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Starting point is 01:30:40 Listen to Kingdom of Fraud on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Rams? So there were two beliefs with the L.A. Rams. They really liked Colston Loveland, and they really liked Brock Bowers last year. So McVeigh, who has a history with tight ends, would like to get a tight end. But I had talked to Les Sneed during the season. I talked to him probably two months ago.

Starting point is 01:31:16 And we just had a text exchange. And he said, listen, it wouldn't crush us if we moved out of the first round because they don't have a second round pick. So, yeah, hold on. They traded with Atlanta. So the Giants traded with the Texans. So the Falcons at 26 take James Pierce, the edge from Tennessee. So Atlanta's had a lousy pass rush forever.

Starting point is 01:31:55 So, I mean, they have struggled with a pass rush. So that is predicted. Remember they got Matt Jude on last year from the New England Patriots, they thought would help. Listen to this, Colin. Listen to what Les Sneed just did. So they traded with the Falcons. They get their second round pick, which is pick 46. They get next year's first round pick. Oh, Jesus. So the Rams have two ones next year. So the Rams now have, you said they did not have a second round pick? Yeah. The Rams. So the Rams get a second round pick now, pick 46. That's their first pick of this draft. And they get next year's Falcons won. Wow. And that's. That will be a top 15 pick. You would think that that seems to get to trade up to get James Pierce.

Starting point is 01:32:44 Holy shnikes. I think that's insane. I mean, some of these trades, Colin, I just. I don't understand that. My mind around. I'm at a loss for words. You just got Atlanta's first round pick for James Pierce, the third to fourth best edge rusher in not a great edge rusher class.

Starting point is 01:33:12 At least if you're trading a future first round pick and you get Travis Hunter, a guy that's never unprecedented what the guy just did, probably since leather helmets, someone playing both ways, right? So it was that, I mean, you're looking at it. I think it's crazy, but given a future first round pick to do it, like at least you could justify it in the room, James Pierce, decent rusher. I mean, at pick 25, you don't trade a future first round pick to trade up for a player in the 20s. That can't happen, especially a, a DeLyman. Holy God.

Starting point is 01:33:43 What defensive lineman is he off the board? Six or seven? Think how many guys have already come off the board that all these teams passed on? Jesus. It'd be one thing if someone was falling because of a, you know, like a Laramie Tunzel bong issue or something, you're like, well, this guy should have been the fourth pick in the draft. We're going all in.

Starting point is 01:34:01 He's one of the most talented guys. I that's crazy. Well, also, so the Rams will have two number one picks next year. There's in Atlanta. So you're going to probably get one that's a top 15 and one that's somewhere in the 20s. But remember, Stafford, there's a sense in the room, Stafford's got two years with the Rams left. So next year is the year you would draft a quarterback or later in this round,

Starting point is 01:34:27 later in this draft, like fourth round, Kyle McCord, Syracuse. Again, I feel like Cleveland took Jacksonville to the cleaners, and I feel like the Rams took Atlanta to the cleaners. How often I don't ever remember. Jesus. A team getting another team's first round pick.

Starting point is 01:34:49 In a bad draft for the fifth best edge rusher. It was drafting 26. Usually when you accumulate those first round picks, you're drafting really, really high. That has to be a first in the internet era. I'm drafting 26 and I trade back and I get to the team's first round pick. And I'm not trading a player, right? I'm not trading for D.K. Metcalfe or Tyreek Hill or something.

Starting point is 01:35:13 I'm literally just trading you pick 26. Now, the Rams also gave their third round pick this year. Well, they have two thirds and a fourth. So they have a second, a third, a fourth, and four sixes. They don't have a lot of needs. John, they need a corner, an inside linebacker. They could use a tight end and an offensive tackle. They have four needs.

Starting point is 01:35:37 And I understand that Sean and Rahim are good buddies, but that felt like taking advantage of everybody. Now, I do wonder for the GM, Terry Fontno, for Rahim Morris, I mean, that owner's mid-80s. He has unlimited amounts of money. And you've talked about this for a long time. These owners now in basketball and football are firing guys. Paying you $30 million away is couch change to them.

Starting point is 01:36:05 I wonder if these guys pissed off the owner last year because they got overaggressive with cousins. And then they fell in love with what's his penics after. And then cousins sucked. Now the owner's meeting with cousins, you know, because he's pissed off. He just gave him $90 million. And cousins got a no trade clause. So it's not easy to just deal them. He's kind of got them by the balls.

Starting point is 01:36:25 and then they missed the playoffs last year. You know, they hire the biggest staff in the league, and Rahim goes, well, we plan on losing coaches because he's acting like we're going to be really good. They go under 500. I wonder if that owner's like, you guys better win and win now. I don't know how much longer I have. There's pressure on you guys. This felt like one of those, like there's pressure from above. Well, I mean, the Giants are a bad football operation.

Starting point is 01:36:52 They take Jackson Dart, who very few people had to be. as a first round prospect, and the Falcons make a weird move up. They get a first and a third, but they give up next year's number one, and they give up a second, which, again, this is not a good draft. Last year was a great draft. Next year's supposed to be a significantly better draft. This is not a good draft. You know, everybody's saying it.

Starting point is 01:37:14 James Pierce will start for them. Will he starve for them? Now, I understand it as well. They haven't had a pass rushing forever. I mean, they just don't get sacks. So, and they also, Atlanta's drafted so many offensive players. I think the Falcons have drafted four straight years. Their first pick was an offensive player.

Starting point is 01:37:35 So I do, I do think they, you know, the defensive side was the play for them. I got no problem drafting defense. To me, I just, I'm not trading a future first round pick to get, I don't know, the fifth or sixth or seventh defensive alignment off the board. I mean, this is in the 20s. I truly believe that's an unprecedented move. And I would imagine stats will come out over the next 24 hours that a team has come up from the mid-second round to the middle of the 20s and given a, you know, especially for a non-quarterback. Maybe we have seen in the past a team trading back up for a quarterback from the second round.

Starting point is 01:38:14 But James Pierce, I would imagine half the league had this guy as like a fringe first round pick to begin with. Again, solid prospect. but to mortgage that much for one player. By the way, the Ravens in a division with Joe Burrow take Georgia safety Malachi Starks, which, by the way, with Kyle Hamilton, gives them two first round safeties. You know what's funny about the safety position, the Rams really value it. Safety is one of those positions where a lot of the progressive teams in this league, Kansas City. A lot of these teams in the NFL now, some of these coaches now, there's kind of a rebirth.

Starting point is 01:38:52 on safeties and their value to the defense. I don't know why that is, but I know the Rams really think highly of it. Kansas City has shown they care about it. Ravens now have two first round safeties. Again, these Georgia guys just feels like to me the hit rate on Georgia guys is very high in the first round. Yeah, I feel like all the guys from Georgia

Starting point is 01:39:13 are going to be good in the pros. I think it's, one, the explosion of the past game, so you're helping out your corners with all these teams have good wide. Do you see the Lions just paid their safety of fortune? Do you see that yesterday? No, I did not. They paid one of their safeties, not branched. It was the other guy.

Starting point is 01:39:30 So they have to cover tight ends. Well, we've never had more past catching tight ends, and we just got two guys that were drafted in the top 15. So you've got to cover that guy. Think how many running backs now, forever there was one or two, Marshall Fawkes or Ladanian Tomlinson. I feel like half the league are just,

Starting point is 01:39:48 I'm never coming off the field starting running back, and I catch the ball. Derek Henry is pretty rare. Well, who's covering that guy, linebackers and the safety? So I'm covering tight ends. I'm covering running backs out of the backfield that both can turn into just elite receivers. And then I've got to help my corners out against every single week, Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson. You just go through the list.

Starting point is 01:40:08 So the passing games are so explosive. And, you know, this guy, Kyle Hamilton, the good safeties, who fungo was like this, I have to help and run support and be a good tackler. They're just really, really valuable because you are taking lineback. off the field now with the spread offense, but these teams spread you out and then run the ball. I need that guy to kind of act as a linebacker. So I'm with you. I value middle linebacker and safety more than definitely some teams do because the teams with good players at those positions are usually pretty good on defense. How about that? So Detroit. This draft, I mean, these guys,

Starting point is 01:40:45 I mean, Dart and the Pierce thing are a little weird, but. Well, it's the Giants. from Ohio State, good player, Golden, good player, Hampton, good player, Starks is a stud. I mean, these teams in the in the 20s, this is the best part about quote-unquote average drafts is, I think Eric DeCosta would tell you. Yeah, we don't view that big of a difference at pick 26, 27 as the guy getting drafted at pick 13. I mean, the bottom line, Baltimore went and got a starter. And for a team like Baltimore, when you get down to these teams like Philadelphia, Kansas City, Buffalo, Detroit, Baltimore Rams. John, there's not that many starting positions. Do you remember years ago when A.J. Smith was the GM of the Chargers,

Starting point is 01:41:23 and they had that 14 and 2 team, like 10 Pro Bowlers, and they gave up multiple draft picks for Eric Weddle, the safety from Utah, who had an unbelievable career. And I remember listening to A.J. Smith talked about it. He's like, we got two positions that any of these kids could start. He goes, we need a safety, and I forget the other position. But his point was, when you get to the bottom of this first round, these teams don't have a ton of holes.

Starting point is 01:41:49 And so you look at Baltimore, when you think of Baltimore, they got their tight end now. You know, Jose Flowers, they have a wide receiver. They have their quarterback. They have their left tackle. Their O line is fine. They've got a pass rush.

Starting point is 01:42:00 And I mean, I think they look at it and they just, they think to themselves, you know, Georgia safety, big hitter. I mean, just these Georgia guys almost all work. Yeah, I think when you look at the good teams, they typically cut four or five guys that immediately get claimed September 1st. So they have more of a 53-man roster. Their roster, because you're not going to cut your first and second and third round picks typically,

Starting point is 01:42:29 you're going to cut guys that I remember when I first got into radio and was going to Harbaugh's team. It was like 2013 Greg Roman would have been on that staff. I think they had eight guys claimed. So they had a roster that they kept. And obviously it was the peak Harbaugh 49ers. They had 53 NFL guys. And then they had eight or seven guys immediately get claimed to other teams. And some of those guys became starters.

Starting point is 01:42:53 So they have a roster, you know, the Ravens, the Eagles, the Chiefs. They actually have like 60 or 61 NFL players. You know, some teams, the bad teams, and they're like, yeah, I guess we've got to keep this guy. They probably got like mid-40s. Yes. Guys, they feel comfortable. Right. It's a huge.

Starting point is 01:43:08 I mean, it's the difference of the good and the bad teams. Look at Philadelphia right now. Philadelphia's got six to seven guys who aren't starting. I mean, look at their O-line and D-line depth for the Eagles alone. They're going to be, I mean, if they stay relatively healthy, to me the only question mark is, you know, the new offensive coordinator. But roster-wise, it's about as, I mean, if they end up getting Will Johnson, well, look at this.

Starting point is 01:43:37 If I said to you, Miami, shaky Miami gets Kenneth Grant at 13. Baltimore gets Malik Starks at 27. And if I said to you, one of those two guys has a big rookie year, I would take Starks. Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, I mean, the Ravens defenders from the best program, that's going to work. Playing next to one of the better young players in the NFL. It's those two guys, the Ravens just need Lamar to have some good playoff games because you could argue even last year. I mean, they were better in the bills. They had a better team,

Starting point is 01:44:15 but they lost the game. Obviously, two years ago, they're at home. They were kind of in this window. I mean, they draft so well. They got this quarterback in the peak of their powers. We will look back. You know, thank God, you know, Yokic and Yonis won an NBA championship, because they might never win one again, but at least they got it. The Ravens have this window right now. They play the other two teams good, too. It's not like they're intimidated by the bills or the chiefs. It's like, this is your time. And it's, their roster, I don't know, their team is just, how do they draft so well? And they're always picking like 28 to 30. Well, and I think, again, they are such a good roster. They went in, remember a couple years ago?

Starting point is 01:44:57 They got Linda Ball in the center and then Kyle Hamilton the safety. And their takeaway was, well, they would start for us. Again, they had probably four positions you could, and then they, because they can go acquire, they always go and acquire a starter. and free agency or two. And then with teams like Baltimore, there may be only two players you can draft. So they went and got a center and a safety. They both end up being terrific players.

Starting point is 01:45:19 But a lot of people don't think centers and safeties, you know, are first round draftable players. Well, they are if you're Baltimore. So Detroit gets a defensive tackle from Ohio State. Tally Quilliams, their defensive line at Ohio State was really good. So Detroit takes a player that had a wide variance on projections. A position, you know, Aidan Hutchison comes back.

Starting point is 01:45:50 They want an interior defensive lineman who was a great run stopper. Taliuk Williams defensive tackle Ohio State. So he had one of the wider variances for a first round pick. He had early third, mid-second. They get him, Detroit does, at 28. I'm reading his draft profile here. Boy, it's all over the great, one of the top 10 run stuffers in this draft. That's neat.

Starting point is 01:46:16 Think about their division. You got the Minnesota Vikings, Aaron Jones, a good running back. The Green Day Packers, Jacobs, one of the better backs in the league. And the one thing they know about Ben Johnson is he's going to want to run the ball, right, and be physical at the line of scrimmage. And they got a good offensive line improved. So I think last year when they had all those injuries, that their defensive line, obviously once Aiden broke his leg, but they lost so many other guys.

Starting point is 01:46:42 They had nothing to hold the point. So to me, they just needed some more big bodies. And the one thing you would say about Dan Campbell, I mean, those two guys, him and Holmes, resurrected. I mean, what, one of the most putrid franchises in the history of sports, they are a real operation. Now, I feel pretty confident about, like, they know, you know, last year they drafted Arnold from Alabama, this year they go Ohio State. Like, they don't veer far from the top programs. Right. They're not trying to outthink the room here.

Starting point is 01:47:11 They're not like, let's take this overachiever from UC Davis. Like, they're just sticking kind of on the Howie Roseman plan. Let's take the better players from the bigger programs. And it's not easy to draft. I mean, they've been good now a couple years in a row. It's much easier to nail picks when you're drafting 10th than when you're drafted in 26th, right? Right. Well, and the thing about Williams was he was a really good player.

Starting point is 01:47:32 He didn't have, like, a great combine. which I don't really hold it against the guy. I mean, we have some teams now that don't go to the combine, some coaches. He was a really productive player. So he was viewed as a second round pick. Again, you get down, I made this argument with Jason McIntyre. If you go to the grocery store and your wife actually get eggs, bread, and milk, and you come back with a rake and you said, yeah, but I got great value on it.

Starting point is 01:47:58 Well, we don't need a rake. We have one. Like, sometimes you just have to draft what you need. And let's say on Detroit's board, they have. they had him as the 36th best player, and they're drafting 28. Well, what do you do? I mean, this, again, this offense needs no help. I mean, they're stacked offensively.

Starting point is 01:48:16 So they were going to draft defense. And my take is they don't need an edge rusher. So I've always wondered about that when you're Detroit 28. He may be your 36th rated player. But if you don't take a defensive lineman here, John, you're not drafting until deep in the woods tomorrow. And Detroit could look at the draft and go, well, four defensive tackles are going to be off the board, the four we like by the time we draft tomorrow. So when you were working with Andy and Philadelphia, are there times that you do reach simply because of need? And you look and think, well, we don't want to trade up tomorrow.

Starting point is 01:48:52 And the four guys at this position that we really like will all be gone by the time we draft tomorrow. Well, you also got a factor in, let's just say, you know, in their backyard, the Michigan corner is probably, might be their. highest graded guy. Well, last year, our first two picks was Arnold and Racquet Straw. They used pick 24 and 61 last year on two DBSs from the SEC. So you have to factor in guys from last year. Obviously, Arnold's a starter, but these guys are going to factor more in. Where do we need help? So yeah, I mean, I think you have to factor in need when you draft at the end of the first round. And you have to base it on last year what you invested in on the draft and how you feel those guys can take a big step. That's a hard balance to do. So you might have guys like, hey, this guy was

Starting point is 01:49:38 on a practice squad last year, but we think we might need a linebacker, but we actually think he might have a chance to start. So you got to have a factor in the big picture view of the roster, and then obviously what you did in free agency. Okay, so this is not surprising to me at all. I know the Rams like this player. Josh Connerly, Jr., the offensive tackle for Oregon goes to Washington. So I had said this on the show a couple of times last week and this week, is that if you're Washington and you look at Philadelphia who you have to play twice a year and you look at the Eagles O line and D line. So you get D-Bo with McLaurin and Jaden Daniels. So you've got weapons. You've got to fix those O&D lines. You're not beating Philadelphia. And so to me,

Starting point is 01:50:20 Connerley's a kid that went, I think it was Rainier High in Seattle. It came down to USC in Oregon. USC thought they had him. This was the beginning of the NIL and Oregon paid about, you know, three, four hundred thousand to get him. He was the best left tackle by far on the West Coast. He went to Oregon. He played as a freshman. The one thing I'll say about him, great body,

Starting point is 01:50:39 but he just got better every year at Oregon. He was really young when he got there, but they played him early. And he just got, he got better and better. And so I know the Rams liked him. I'll tell you this, this is one of my favorite picks in the last five picks.

Starting point is 01:50:58 I really like this pick. because, I mean, again, I think, first of all, I think you get some value. I mean, he's going to play. He's an ascending player, you know, played against real competition. Oregon in the Big Ten, played against really good competition. And, you know, Oregon, let's be honest about it, Oregon recruits an elite level over the last 10 years. Oregon, Pratt, now, they don't have Ohio State players. This is a really good pick.

Starting point is 01:51:27 And it's the right position. Well, to me, it's a little bit of a, you know, at the end of the 20s, how do you get a, I don't want to say a project, but he's got, you know, an upside guy who's not ready to be like a, you know, the paths weren't going to take him at pick four. But he's one of the more athletic guys in the class at the position. You just get Tunzel. So in the last month, they had Laramie Tunzel and their first round pick is a tackle. So ideally, maybe this guy depends if you extend Tunzel and he's your left tackle. you put this guy at right tackle. Maybe you just use Tunzel this year and you realize you don't want him.

Starting point is 01:52:03 You bump this guy over to left tackle. It gives you optionality. But I can, I never have an issue with, like you said, with the McBectin pick, taking swings on guys, 6'5, 320 pounds that are blue chip kids. You know, obviously you got to do your homework on the guy and their work ethic and toughness is huge at offensive and defensive line, especially offensive line, like how tough you are. But it's, you know, you play for Dan Lannning and Mario these last couple years.

Starting point is 01:52:28 Like, that's an intense program. I mean, so you go there, they play at a high level. Yeah. I think you got to see a new level of toughness with Ohio State. Really, at Oregon, these last couple years, the Pac-12 was excellent two years ago. And this year at Oregon playing in the Big Ten, I mean, you got a couple years worth of a film playing at a really high level and some massive games. So, yeah, I mean, I thought this guy at the Senior Bowl, there was talk about him potentially

Starting point is 01:52:52 being in the mix for like a top 15 pick. So sometimes, you know, other position guys go, obviously some more. wide receivers and defensive linemen push them down. Once those, honestly, once those tight ends were gone, this is who I thought the Rams, if they didn't get a tight end, this is who I thought the Rams would take. I know they liked it. I just think you get to a point where if someone knocked on my door right now and offered me triple what my house worth, I'd be like, I'll be out tomorrow.

Starting point is 01:53:19 That's what the Rams. I meant the Rams felt pretty good about taking a player kind of in this group that just got drafted, these last couple guys. but they just got an offer they couldn't say no to. And this is where when you have stable organizations, like Les Needs Sean McVeigh, the only reason they go somewhere is they would choose to, Sean McVeigh would go choose to do Amazon.

Starting point is 01:53:39 Like he's not going anywhere. You can make these bigger picture moves. Because there would be some teams in their spot. It's like you got this valuable pick, right? You have a first round pick. There are players that can help you. You got Matt Stafford. You're living year to year.

Starting point is 01:53:53 It'd be easy to justify it. Listen, they're offering us a ton, but we're trying to win the Super Bowl this year. No one would have blamed them if they would have taken a player right there. But they're like for the health and the big picture of the organization, this is 100% the right move. The Rams have done an incredible job these last two years of like staying focused on winning and a competitive team while balancing this restructure of a roster. It's pretty unheard of kind of how they've did. Now, they've had Stafford.

Starting point is 01:54:22 If they would have had a middle tier, lower tier quarterback, they would have been in trouble. Bay and Stafford, you could argue after Andy. Yeah, after Andy Reed and Mahomes, they're probably the second best combo in the league. Yeah, I would agree, especially when you factor in, he's the play caller. So they are, I mean, let's face it, the Eagles handled the Packers. They obviously, them versus Washington was not a fair fight, and they dominated the Super Bowl. There was one team in the playoffs that gave them a run for their money. And it was the ramps.

Starting point is 01:54:52 Yes. And for a team, you know, we give the dolphins a lot of shit. being this warm weather climate. They can't travel. And it's true. History speaks for itself. The Rams should fall under that as well. What's the weather on a daily base out there? 80 degrees. They had the ball to 15. They built this tough team. They had the ball to 15 yard line first down to beat the Eagles in Philadelphia in a snowstorm. They had the ball. They just couldn't block Jaylon Carter on back-to-back. I think it was back-to-back snaps because they had Bo Limmer, who was like a six-round Arkansas draft picket center, which was the weakest spot in their own line. And they, you know, That was a, you needed an all-pro center to block. But, I mean, they had Philadelphia up against the ropes. Remember that big completion of Pooka Nakuwa down the sideline?

Starting point is 01:55:34 You're like, holy shit, they're going to walk out of here and beat Philadelphia. Well, think about what they've done is the tight players that they have drafted over the years, Aaron Donald, Pukkah, Cooper, you know, they just draft guys that would have thrived in like the AFC North, right? They just happened to play. Stafford. I mean, Stafford could have played in any climate throughout his career. So, yeah, I mean, I think the Rams, I think they just got an offer.

Starting point is 01:56:03 I would imagine they went into the day planning on taking one of the guys in this group that gets drafted in the 20s, and they got a phone call that blew them away. I would have said yes, too. Okay, the bills take Maxwell Harris. And he's a cornerback from Kentucky. It's a position of need. I don't think there's any question about that. They have to get better at corner.

Starting point is 01:56:23 Also, if you're going to get past, you know, Kansas City and, Mahomes and Reed and Joe Burroughs and you start looking at some of these quarterbacks in the AFC, you better be better and deeper at corner. Why would they invite Jalen Milrow to the draft when he's not going to get drafted in the first round? I saw his comment saying that I just want to hear my name called. It'd be cool. I get why he would go, even if he goes in the third round.

Starting point is 01:56:43 It has to be a cool experience. But I don't understand why the NFL would draft a guy that was not going to go in the first round. I mean, honestly, he's not even a lock. He'll probably go in the second round, but I don't know. Yeah. I, you know, it's people really like him. I mean, I think the story of the first round is Shadur Sanders didn't get drafted because Kansas City's not taking him and Philadelphia has not taken him.

Starting point is 01:57:06 So, I mean, I think our story of the first round is Shadur Sanders. You know, I, again, I don't love him. I think he's a B prospect. But I'm in a quarterback-driven league where about seven teams need quarterbacks. I'm surprised. I could see the Raiders in the second round taking them. You know, the Jets signed Fields, but I thought that was a lot of money to get Fields. By the way, Fields had a defensive coach in Chicago, defensive coach, where did he go, in Pittsburgh, defensive coach, rookie defensive coach with the Jets.

Starting point is 01:57:50 Like Justin Fields, I don't think he was ever going to be great. That's not a fair shot. Like he's never had an offensive culture. Chicago, Jets from Pittsburgh. Like Justin Field. Where somehow Shador fell to Dallas in the second round and they pulled the trigger? I think there's, you know, nobody will say this out loud, but this is the second surgery, lower body surgery for Dak Prescott. Okay, he was never hyper athletic to begin with.

Starting point is 01:58:20 I thought the last time he played, Dak was absolutely a popular. quarterback. Oh, yeah. That's what he was. He was very, he was much closer to Aaron Rogers and Kirk Cousins than he was Bo Nix and Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen. Did, did Daxe this when they reported or Schottenheimer say like he's not ready to go in OTAs from this injury. They did the hamstring injury. Like he's not even like if they played a game in a month, he couldn't play. You know, I mean, that so the ankle once it shattered, like you said, he was never even close to the same mobility. Nope.

Starting point is 01:58:54 Which he's a solid pocket quarterback. By the way, John. This injury is a pretty big deal. I mean, how often do guys tear their hamstring? And also, Aaron Rogers was an elite pocket quarterback, and so was Kirk Cousins. So you can live with them having a reduction of mobility. That's never been, you know, he's never been a strong-armed, effortlessly accurate quarterback.

Starting point is 01:59:15 I mean, Dan Mullen is college coach. You know, laughs about it. I talked to him. You know, now he's at UNLV. He used to be at Florida. He was at Mississippi State. He's like, well, you know, we told, you know, when we got Dak, it was about the intangibles, the man, the player, the toughness. He still never threw a good ball.

Starting point is 01:59:29 Like, we never thought he threw a pretty ball. So the fact that, you know, I don't think Chador to the Cowboys is crazy. Now, it would obviously create an S-storm. And they've got far greater needs than that. First time head coach to, you know, I don't know if Jerry, even Jerry would have to probably, you know, cooler heads would have to prevail and be like, I don't know if we, even want to do this. I think honestly the Cowboys are going to go tight end. That's my guess. Tight end or running.

Starting point is 01:59:58 Javanti Williams came there from Denver, so they've got a two at running back. Can they find a... Listen, Trayvion Henderson for Ohio State, in my opinion now, maybe the best player available. He could go to the Chiefs here at 32. You know, the Eagles and the Chiefs...

Starting point is 02:00:14 I bet you that to Kansas City takes. I think the Eagles and Andy and Howie were just bored, because they just traded with each other, 31 to 30. Really? So they just flip-flop picks. Andy, I think historically he's had made a trade in every draft for like 25 years and how he loves to trade. Well, it's funny because that's really funny. I can see the chiefs taking the Ohio State running back for sure.

Starting point is 02:00:39 But you said Philadelphia just moved to 31. Yeah, they're picking 31. It wouldn't shock me if they take the Michigan corner here. Will Johnson? What do the Eagles really need? I mean, they just take whoever the best player on the board is. By the way, is that going to be. funny if the Eagles get Will Johnson, who was viewed by most as the best corner,

Starting point is 02:00:57 and they just hit on two corners last year. Let me tell you something. Nobody in this league has three good corners. Nobody in this league has three good corners. If they get Will Johnson, Philadelphia is the only team in the league that has that. Well, they got three good corners, and then they would have probably the best young pass rusher in the NFL.

Starting point is 02:01:17 Definitely interior pass rusher and Jalen Carter. Nolan Smith really came on at the... one of the most active linebackers with, I don't know, the highest paid defensive coordinator in the league and Vic Fangio. And their entire offense is all making minimum $20 million in a bunch of pro bowlers. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers.

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Starting point is 02:05:01 I think Philadelphia takes Will Johnson and Kansas City takes Trayvion Henderson. That's my guess. I will agree with you there. Will Johnson is going one of these next two picks would be my guess for sure. Well, and the other thing is, I could see the Chiefs, remember,

Starting point is 02:05:17 they took the little running back from LSU, Burroughs year, Clyde. It kind of, you know, they just won a simple. He didn't. No, I know, but. I do wonder if they, you know, they've, Andy had success historically. It got shady in the second round. Like, they have taken, but I think in this draft, Hendrickson, I mean, he was, he made a lot

Starting point is 02:05:35 of plays. Dude, he, yeah, the kid from LSU was not, I didn't think he was a wildly dynamic home run back. He was more of a, I think they viewed him more as like a pass catcher, kind of like a Brian Westbrook, a young version of that. That's what he was. It just did, it didn't work. But they do need, you would, like, the one thing Philly has is just play, I mean, I mean,

Starting point is 02:05:54 they're just like, yeah, Dallas Goddard, someone take them. We'll just draft the tight end in the second or third round because we've got to save a little money here because we got, we only got one football to go around. But they are so loaded on offense where you look at Philly, you got Rice who's going to come off this injury. You got Zaver Worthy who came on at the end. But Kelsey's, I mean, he's a postseason player at most now. So they need some pop, you know, running back, they were playing with Kareem Hunt, you know,

Starting point is 02:06:20 toward the end of the season when, you know, they had some injury. So I'd be stunned at the time. chiefs don't go with a playmaker. Well, they're going to get, I mean, they're going to get Rishi Rice back, who really had developed into a one before he got hurt. But that was a pretty big, I mean, Mahomes, he took him out. I mean, that was a pretty bad knee injury. His legs snapped.

Starting point is 02:06:43 I'm with you. He was healthy. He was a really, really good player. I mean, God, how he's, he might be on the biggest heater of any, of any GM in his recent drafts. Quinn and Mitchell, Cooper DeGene, Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith. myth. Jesus.

Starting point is 02:06:57 Jordan Davis. I mean, they haven't missed on many picks and it showed. You know, if I said to you, what draft picks

Starting point is 02:07:05 and what moves didn't you love, we would, we would probably say we didn't love what Jacksonville did. We didn't love what Miami did.

Starting point is 02:07:18 We didn't love with Atlanta did trading up with the Rams. I mean, isn't it predictable? Isn't it? And if I said to you, What are some of the steals?

Starting point is 02:07:28 Well, you'd say to yourself, Jim Harbaugh, getting a star running back at 22's a steel. Malachi Stark's Baltimore 27 is a damn good pick. And it looks like if they do what we think. Jesus. They took Jihad Campbell, the linebacker from Alabama. Oh, Philadelphia did? Yeah. Now, he's the best linebacker.

Starting point is 02:07:57 He's kind of a freak athlete. I do think they lost, I forget whether it was in the Packer game or it might have been the Washington game. Remember, Nkoby Dean, the Georgia linebacker had a bad injury, a really bad knee injury. So I wonder, you know, they re-signed Zach Bonn. Here's the other thing, Howie has done now four or five years in a row. They have basically just drafted from Alabama and Georgia in their first couple picks. Last year was a little bit about outlier with the corner from Toledo. But again, he was like Ashton Jenty.

Starting point is 02:08:29 He could have left NIL. He was kind of loyal to his program. I think Jihad Campbell, I'd argue right now, this is probably the best value pick. A lot of people saw him as going somewhere like 18 to 26. They got him at the 31st pick. That's a pretty damn good pick. I think Jihad Campbell and Malachi Starks are two guys that if Malachi

Starting point is 02:08:50 Starks and Campbell had been offensive guards or wide receivers, they were two of the better players. in this draft, but their positions, you know, kind of drop them down. If you told me that Campbell was a pass rusher, not like a stand-up linebacker, he's going much higher. So he's athletically. He gets discriminated against giving your position. God, they are going to be, they are so.

Starting point is 02:09:14 They are talent, Colin. Oh, my God. Yeah, I mean. Them and the Ravens are just, I mean, every time they just get these high-end elite players from the best programs that will just knock your block off. That's the other thing. They aren't getting, there's nothing soft about these players they acquire. The Eagles have kind of morphed in to the Ravens in terms of their physical mentality.

Starting point is 02:09:36 I mean, the Eagles have always had talent from Andy, even through the Howie run. But I think these last three or four years, the physical presence of their football team, it's a little like the Harbaugh 49ers and Pete Carroll, Seattle Seahawks of just, you better buckle up when you play these guys because they're going to hurt you. I mean, Siriani, pretty lucky. He just gets to coach a team full All-Stars. God. Howie gets the best linebacker in that track with the 31st pick.

Starting point is 02:10:13 I could see the Chiefs going Will Johnson here or the wide receiver. Or, I mean, the running back from Ohio State. I do think if you're Philly or, I mean, Kansas City, I mean, your division, I mean, it's going to be hard. You know, they benefited for a while. The Raiders were a joke. You know, the Chargers just kind of always went cheap with coaches. And, you know, the Broncos have had a lot of turmoil post-Paid Manning. I mean, this division feels, I mean, Pete Carroll's a Hall of Famer.

Starting point is 02:10:45 He's coaching the Raiders. You got Jim and Sean Peyton, two of the highest paid coaches in the league, and they were two playoff teams. And this is really going to test the Chiefs over the next couple years of they're going to need to keep nailing draft picks and need to probably make some tough decisions, Like how long can you, you know, Chris Jones is an elite player when he wants to be, but he's, you know, half the games. He's not trying as hard. You know, Travis Kelsey's kind of, they're going to need their second iteration of a group like New England had during Belichick and Brady.

Starting point is 02:11:17 Right. And they had three. But you're going to need to need to have a new crop of, you're going to need to get your next Chris Jones, your next Travis Kelsey to be the core guys with Patrick over the next five or six years. Yeah, howie gets the best lineback. or 31st pick, once again, goes to an SEC heavyweight to get him. Rinse and repeat. Yeah, I'll tell you what, depending on who Kansas City takes with a 32nd pick,

Starting point is 02:11:46 if Henderson, the Ohio State running back, does not go, he is the best player to start the second round. He is a... To me, the Titans, wouldn't you be all over him? I mean, I think you go skill guy to go round Cam Ward to help him out. He already got Ridley on the roster. He's, I mean, the fact that he is... I mean, he is a home, all three of these running backs, the top three running back, these are home run running backs.

Starting point is 02:12:10 These are guys that can, these guys can, you know, Anagie Harris is a guy that he just doesn't have many career runs over 25 yards. He just doesn't have many. And it's one thing in college, but in the NFL, you've got to outrun corners and safeties to get loose. The, you know, Gentie, Hampton and Henderson, those are home run backs. Those guys break long runs regularly. So this is an insane running back draft. I told you, I said this. Woody Marks is USC's most versatile running back since Reggie Bush. He's a terrific back. He will not be one of the top 12 to 13 running backs taken.

Starting point is 02:12:47 And he was to me, I mean, on any given Saturday, he was USC's best player. I saw the headline that recruiting is going a little bit better for Lincoln. 2026 class is number one. Their NIL is up to like 18 million. Yeah, they're buying high school players. That's good. And they're buying high and they're buying. Here's the Chiefs.

Starting point is 02:13:25 They took Simmet, they took the offensive linemen from Ohio State. That's, you know, one thing, Andy, I think there was some question marks about the person. Not a bad guy, but, you know, I think Andy's history that they will take some flyers on talent. And that's what, you know, this is the guy that got injured during the season. I mean, I think he was viewed as a top 10 whatever player. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it was, there was a time when he got banged up. There was real concerns for Ohio State.

Starting point is 02:13:55 I mean, they did lose to Michigan, so who had two elite defensive linemen. So Henderson's available at the top of the second. I think Tennessee, boy, that would be a strong pick by them. So there you have it. Shadur Sanders. does not get picked. Wow. Looking at these names, Colin, a lot of Big Ten, a lot of SEC here in the first round. No, I mean, this is who are we kidding? I mean, this is what Fox and ESPN, who now have major control in college football, wanted college football to look more like the

Starting point is 02:14:33 NFL, two major conferences. And so now they've extended that, what is the playoff now, 14 teams. Yeah. And so, and I'm, you know, You know, my take is you're going to get, you know, you're going to get eight of those, at least from the big dogs. And so, you know, I mean, it's, who are we kidding here? I mean, you watch. Listen to listen to this stretch, starting at nine. Because the first round, you know, the first couple of picks had Colorado and Boise State. Texas, Michigan, Georgia, Bama, Michigan, Penn State, Georgia, Ole Miss, A&M, Guard from North Dakota State, which I'm sure would have started at the power programs.

Starting point is 02:15:11 they probably tried to buy them. Ohio State, Texas, Oregon, North Carolina, Texas, Ohio State, Ole Miss, Tennessee, Georgia, Ohio State, Oregon, Kentucky, who had a good defense, Bama, Ohio State. So when you're arguing that Indiana absolutely needs to be in the playoff, it's like, folks, this is what drives me nuts about the college football media. And I know a lot of these guys. Stop.

Starting point is 02:15:39 Six programs have, I mean, I mean, if LSU's now a little bit because of their NIL, LSU is a bit down in terms of talent. But generally, there's like six programs. And the fact that Notre Dame now is recruiting at an elite level, there's like six programs every year that just have better players. You know, Sark now at Texas, as long as he's there, they're going to have top four players in the country. Ohio State, Georgia. Kailen DeBoer is a great recruiter. Brian Kelly bang the drum.

Starting point is 02:16:10 so they have some NIL money. But everybody's always trying to argue SMU. God, stop it. Look at this talent. It's all Big Ten SEC. And even the one guy that I think had a run with guys up here has kind of falling off a little bit, and it shows they're not quite as good as Clemson.

Starting point is 02:16:27 You know, Clemson used to be a program. They don't do portal. No, I mean, what Kirby's really turned his program into what Saban was in his peak. John Middlough. Great two hours, bud. What a night. The Volume. Hey guys, it's us.

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