The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast - Nick Wright on Aaron's Issues, Cowboys/Bucs Line, Cardinals Red Flags

Episode Date: September 9, 2021

Colin starts off by defending Dana White's often criticized business model, and explains why the Steelers should ignore Big Ben when it comes to paying TJ Watt (1:00). Then, FS1's First Things First co-host Nick Wright and Colin discuss which future Hall of Fame QB - not named Tom Brady - is the best career comp for Aaron Rodgers (13:00), why Rodgers might be sick of living in Green Bay (18:00), if Tampa can cover as sizeable favorites against the Cowboys in the season opener (34:00), if Cam Newton has an NFL future (39:00), what winning trait Kyler Murray and Kliff Kingsbury both lack in Arizona (49:00), the latest updates from Nick's 2nd job as a high stakes poker player (54:00), and Nick's two NFL sleeper teams that no one is giving a shot (59:00).Make sure you follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest content and updates and check out FanDuel for the best wagering and daily fantasy action! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm not somebody that buys every single card. I'll give you an example. They have a kid now called Badi-Patty. He's a Liverpool fighter, Patty Pimbley. He is just a punch machine. His volume is incredible. All attitude, British kid, Liverpool. He will now get me going forward to a pay-per-view UFC card.

He's one of four guys they have that can do it. The bottom line is in any business about 10% of employees are not worth their contract, but it's a contract. 10% are not paid what they should be getting. Everybody else gets about what they deserve. You know, I saw a big Ben this week came out and said, you know, pay T.J. Watt whatever he wants. Well, let's be honest about this.

T.J. Watt has outperformed his contract. Okay. But Juju Smith-Schuster has underperformed his contract. Okay? The offensive linemen last year mostly. underperformed their contract in Pittsburgh. So these are salary caps. These are businesses.

One of the reasons I started the volume, I was reporting on businesses, and I kind of wanted to have my own. And it's not easy. You'd love to pay all your friends as much as you can. But whenever I hear the media bagging on Dana White, my first question is, oh, you ever owned a business? Do you know how much it costs to put on an event? It's really expensive.

I've always said this about college sports. I have no problem with kids making money in name image likeness. I am four stars getting paid. But even at Alabama, Ohio State at Clemson, the three big dogs or Oklahoma, you feed them, you travel, tutors, house, electric bill, cable bill. Think about how much it takes to feed a 325 pound offensive lineman. They have 85 guys on scholarship, 20 other guys connected to the program. So if you go to the big universities, Bama, Oklahoma, Clemson, Ohio State, best staffs of the 25 kids they sign a year, half hit, half underperform, half get hurt, and you keep on scholarship. Yes, there's the occasional Reggie Bush at USC who is worth far more than a scholarship.

But do you realize USC has recruited 32 running backs since Reggie Bush? None have hit. Ronald Jones is the second best. Good player, not transformative. So I'm not saying I don't like name image likeness. For Bryce Young, for Kyle Hamilton at the volume, those are stars, those are all American level players. But a university has to pay for everybody.

And even at Alabama, there's maybe six guys a class who are even better than their three, four, or five stars. There's several four or five star guys that. underperform. And then everybody's kind of what you thought. So I always try to have perspective on UFC or pay this guy anything or college guy should get paid. Yes, the stars. It's a very tiny, small group, even at the college football powers, even at UFC, even with the Pittsburgh Steelers. I am not anti-paying people. But you watch the media, which is younger than ever because it's cheaper than ever. And as we've become a more corporatized country,

corporations like free and cheap labor, right? And so we have young media, and they all kind of fall into this. Just pay everybody the most money. Listen, T.J. Watts really, really good. But here's another question. What is his value among the Steelers front seven? They've got four or five high-end players. They wouldn't be as good without T.J. Watt, but he could have far greater value, say, on Jacksonville,

where he would be hands down their best player. So you have to weigh all these things. It's not just, are you good? How important are you? How valuable are you? What is your position? How many years in the league? Are you replaceable? I'll give you an example. Wide receivers right now. I like Julio Jones. I would not have paid him if I was the Atlanta Falcons. A. Calvin Ridley looks to be a top five receiver. Julio Jones had been hurt. And frankly, his value now going forward with Kyle Pitts, Calvin Ridley, Gage, I wouldn't pay him either. you can be simultaneously two things, super talented and reasonably expendable. I know that doesn't sound right. But Julio Jones, super talented. But I understood Atlanta moving on. I also understood

Tennessee moving toward him. Ryan Tannehill's always going to be as good as his weapons. He's not a guy that's going to carry a franchise. He needs better than average receivers and a top running back. So just kind of on my mind, I see the media attacking Dana White or I see Big Ben saying TJ Y, it's pay him. Pay him whatever he wants. There's a lot of context to all this stuff outside of baseball, salary caps with all these things. You want to know a team that pays players what they want, the Dallas Cowboys. Their top seven paid players are all paid greatly and they're all good.

Amari Cooper, Dak Prescott, at this point. Point Tyron Smith, Ezekiel Elliott, DeMarcus Lawrence. They're good players being paid great money. That's why the cowboys are so thin. Because in a salary cap sport, you can't pay good, great. You got to pay great, great. And that is, you're talking max three to five percent of your employees, your football players. All right, my buddy, Nick Wright, co-hosts first things first.

So one of the things, Nick, that I try to be. aware of because I've always viewed myself as sort of I'm the judge and the audience. We have, you know, the defense, the prosecution, and the audience is the jury. And I want to render without emotion a verdict on opinions. So I've always tried to be aware of my biases. For instance, if you're not verbal, I think less of you. That's why I, Nick Sariani is so bad in front of a mic. And Sean McVeigh is so good that my immediate bias is,

McVeigh is a genius and Nick Seriani is a used car salesman. He just, he's just regrettable. And it's not really fair because NFL executives really think Philadelphia is good this year. So I'm saying, okay, what I'm doing is it's kind of, it's kind of verbal confirmation bias that if you're not verbal because I'm in a verbal industry. And I find this with Aaron Rogers and I have to caution myself. Because I was a divorced kid, I ended up having to be pretty self-reliant.

I had kind of a, I would say, emotionally remote dad and kind of a reticent mother, a British reticent mother, right? And so I think I'm very self-reliant. So needy guys are a complete turnoff to me. complete utter turnoff. And I find I find Aaron Rogers, he needs to constantly let you know, I don't need football. I don't need my family. I don't need teammates. I don't need executives. Brady and Russell Wilson are the opposite. I need my kids. I need my fans. I need my football. I need my faith. I need my family. So what I'm doing, I'm talking myself out of Aaron a lot because he's the kind of guy,

little, you know, Hollywood friends make sense, a little bit of an artist. He constantly needs affirmation. And he projects it through the tunnel of, I don't need any of you, which is telling us, he needs all of us. And so I do think it shades my opinions on Aaron. Oh, well, so I think that's definitely true, first of all. Second of all, I don't think our job in the media is to be unbiased, not in the sports media. if you're Edward R. Murrow, I suppose it is. But in the sports media, we're a lot to be biased.

I think our job is to be honest with the audience about our bias. What I don't like is when guys are clearly cloaked in bias or dripping in bias, and they pretend like, oh, I'm not, I have no favorites here. You know, I, let me give a for instance for me, and then I'll address there in Rogers, Russell Wilson stuff. I consider the guy who runs the Sixers, Daryl Morey, a personal friend. Meaning if he went to go, you know, run a SPAC and I went to go be a professional poker player and our industries didn't collide at all anymore, I'd still hang out with him.

I'd still go see him. Like, we're friends. So it's not my job to not have that bias. It's my job to make sure the audience knows it. So just know, hey, listen, just know when I'm talking about the Sixers. I, you know, I like the guy, just like when he ran the Rockets. I let people know that, right? when it comes to Rogers and Wilson, I think that's a really, and I never thought of it till just now, a really interesting comp, because take Brady out of it.

Brady has won so much, and now he's done it with two organizations. He is doing to the quarterback winning record book, what Wilt did to the NBA record book. You almost have to be like aside from Wilt. It's like 50-point games aside from Wilt. You know what I just throw him out. Yeah. So nobody, everybody is going to fail the compared to Brady test. But I do think it's very self-aware of you to bring up Russell Wilson because you love Russell Wilson.

Yeah. And I've always loved Russell Wilson. And Russell Wilson got the same amount of Super Bowls as Aaron. Yeah. And I think one would argue Aaron never had the Legion of Doom, Green Bay Packers version, you know, at any point in his career. True. I know Russell's been to another and could have to. But Aaron also has been.

to five NFC championship games, clearly could have. In fact, you know, the kind of what's forking the road moment, some would argue, was the one against Seattle, where neither quarterback really played well. But Aaron's team was way ahead. And then there's the onside kick and then overtime and Russell goes on. That's why we didn't get Aaron versus Freddie in the Super Bowl. And so I do think that there would be, there's a, you know,

there isn't really an anti-Russell Wilson corner in the media. to people either love him or don't really talk about him. And I think it's because he doesn't touch on any pressure points for media members. There's nothing like that rubs people the wrong way. But if his personality were a little bit different, what, you know, could you not imagine the rant of, oh, Russell Wilson, first three years, two Super Bowl appearances, one victory, you know, a playoff record, this, since then, since they turned the team over to him, what's he done?

Like people don't do that because people like him. And so I do think that Aaron and Russell act very differently, obviously. And I, even though by the way, both married, well, Russell married a celebrity. Aaron is marrying or dating or engaged to a celebrity, as always dated celebrities. But we react differently to them. And I think it certainly colors how they're covered, even though I would say Aaron's play has been a touch more excellent over the course of his career. And they've done the same amount of winning.

Yeah, it's, you know, Aaron's just, I think, I know for fact that Aaron rolls his eyes a lot at Russell Wilson and some of the religious stuff. You know, Aaron's had a disconnect from his family, evangelical family. And so I think even Aaron's talked about this publicly about some, I think he, I think Aaron looks at Russell Wilson. and there's been people who have said this before, other players, they don't buy all of what Russell's selling. But for the record, and the religion stuff, I'm not a religious guy. Yeah.

I don't really, I don't know what Russell's faith is, and I didn't know the evangelical stuff about Aaron's family until you just said it. So set the religion part out of it, there's a lot of what Russell Wilson does that is eye rollable. Like there is a lot of the, and like just so, well crafted, manicured, obviously rehearsed personality that doesn't feel three-dimensional. Like there is a lot of what, I'll use an odd example. They call it gold fishing.

Oh, really? Well, I mean, gold fishing is when you go out and you put something on Twitter just so it gets likes. Oh. Like, you know, you say something about an obvious poor taste tweet. easiest stance ever in the exactly that you know is going to have 100% approval right yes that not putting yourself out there in the least like to use the late Kobe Bryant as an example early in Kobe's career he wasn't really interesting to me yeah

because he was so guarded the way Tiger had been basically forever right and then Kobe finally late late in his career got to the part in the language I don't give a fuck mode and got really interesting, right? He got really interesting. And I would like to see that from Russell. Aaron's always been closer to that of, I think, being his actual self. And now is really, I mean, you can see it even is letting his hair grow a little bit more. Yeah. Sharing more on social media. You can, I like to get, and by the way, my guy, Patrick Mahomes, it's not that interesting outside of football, like because he is crafting what he hopes is a billion dollar brand. And so it's all, you know what I mean?

It's all pre-packaged and prepared statements, tweets, how he's going to present himself to the world. Yeah. Yeah, there is something, too, where I will somewhat defend Aaron, because I'm not anti-Aaron all the time, although it feels like that, is that both Fav and he, although when they met initially, you could have never convinced Aaron, he would become very Fav-like. One was Southern, one was progressive, West Coast. One's Cali Cool. One's Southern Chill. That they've both become similar in their sort of retirement talk and their frustration with the organization. And I wonder if some of it is this, that when you're in Green Bay, you are the city.

I mean, Matt Stafford could put a hat on and walk through a mall in L.A. unnoticed. Mike Trout puts glasses on. could walk through my yard unnoticed is that Farvin Rogers are not only great, but they're so iconic and they're so such gigantic celebrities in an area without any, any. Without any. And by the way, like, they would be, this has been, this is why you can't city my hometown. It's so important if we get a great athlete that. they like it there because there's no famous people.

Like there's no famous people in Kansas City. But Kansas City is a two sports city. You know, like the 31st biggest city in the country. Like it's a small market compared to Chicago, Atlanta, all these things, but it's decent city.

Kansas City is suburbs, suburbs of Kansas City, far bigger than Green Bay. Like so it is, it is an absurdity that Green Bay has a pro sports team, right? It's like a, it's, it's an outlier that never got fixed because of the history and the league likes or all these things. I cannot imagine it is enjoyable to be the most famous Packer, the six months of the year you have to live there. Well, think about this.

I just can't imagine it's fine. Both Fav and Rogers were incredibly likable for the first decade of their stay there. both became a little less likable in their last half decade. So the timing not suspicious is interesting, is that after 10 years of being almost a Messiah, that any human being in that space would be unique if it didn't affect them. Well, let me ask you a question, because I don't know this.

during the end of your time at ESPN, did you live in Bristol? Oh, God, no. Was if you ever had to do things in Bristol outside of the ESPN campus, was it brutal? Because I would imagine it would have been. Like, because Bristol's around like, because you're at that point, you were one of, if not the face of the network. There's not a lot in that town other than the network. And I would imagine you couldn't go to like a Starbucks nicely and be like,

Like, I don't know. I would imagine there are some comps there for like the most famous people at ESPN. If they are living in Bristol, what that would be like. Well, it wasn't bad at all because, you know, Scott Van Pelt and Steve Levy lived a block away, right? And now I live in Los Angeles where nobody cares, which I love. So, and then I go to Vegas and there's celebrities everywhere. So I've, I really prefer being in a place that nobody cares. I don't, I want to go and do, this weekend I go to Vegas.

I want to be with my kids. I don't want to. If somebody comes up great, if they don't find. But I can't imagine if I live somewhere 10 years, Favre and Rogers, and was the only person of note, it would get annoying. It would have to affect you. And I think the timing is interesting that both Favre and Rogers, at about the same timeline, got a little prickly with the organization, a little more difficult, started hinting at retirement.

It's just quite possible that it was. wears people out. It wears you out. I think it would be illogical for it not to. That's right. Elogical is perfect word. I think you would have to be a very unique personality for that not to become, you know, tiresome to a degree. Because they're in, because of the way the NFL is set up during the season, aside from your bye week, you just have that one day off.

And when you're in Green Bay, it's not like you can take a day trip somewhere. You know what I mean? You can't, if you're, if you play for when San Diego had a team, right? And you really have, you know, 36 hours off. You could theoretically be like, man, I'm going to Vegas. I'm going to, I'm taking my own plane. I'm going to Vegas. I'll be back.

I guess you can do that. But then half your time off is in a plane. Like where, you know what I mean? There's no like warm, weather, cool place to go too close by. Are you ready to amp up the excitement every college football Saturday this year? All right, it's called Colin Cowherd's Saturday spreads. It's on Fandle. Free shot at big prices.

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Damon Stademeyer once told me this. He loved playing in Toronto. He said it's diverse. There's a baseball team, a CFL team, an NBA team. He goes, I can hide. He goes, I'm from Portland and it was exhausting. He goes, if you're an African American in Portland, you're a blazer. He goes, that's what it felt like to me,

Sometimes. You know, think about this. The taxes in Los Angeles and New York are the highest in the country. New York, though, has bad weather. So New York and L.A., you can make a lot of money beyond your sport because of the production, the television networks, and because of the size of the media, the scale of it. People always talk about, oh, the taxes of California. It does not dissuade pro athletes. Think about right now in Los Angeles. And one of the reasons athletes love it here, Nick. They can disappear. Just think in L.A. Justin Herbert, I've done this list, is the 14th most popular L.A. professional athlete. Stafford's like nine.

I mean, good God. LeBron, A.D., Kauai, Paul George, Aaron Donald. I could put Sean McVey in this list. By the way, Kershaw, Max Scherger, Walker Bueh Bueller, Mookie Betts. We have literally,

18. Even in New York, you get past like Aaron Judge. And it's like Daniel Jones. Right. So my point being is, why are they all attracted here? It's not because they save money. Our taxes are brutal to wealthy people. It's because they can hide. And so I guess what you and I are saying in Green Bay, it is the opposite of LA. You're the only star. You cannot go to a grocery store. You cannot go anywhere in Green Bay. And I think after about 10 years of it, Farvin Rogers, it's obnoxious. It's annoying. And this is, listen, and I'm from Kansas City. This is not like an anti-small city thing, Kyle and I are doing. It's not anti-Midwest or it's just the, it is, I think, and I think for, you know, to kind of turn the car a little bit. There is a reason why NBA stars in the offseason.

live in about four places. Yeah. And it is not, it's not just weather. And as usually it's not just taxes. Houston's one of them. Atlanta's one of them. L.A. is obviously one of them.

It's also where are there a major population of black people? Because there is the level of, okay, you're a six, if you're, listen, if you're six eight or above, you're going to stand out no matter where you're at.

But if you're, you know, a six foot four inch black guy, there's only about, let's say you're not even a super good superstar. I'm talking about like, you know, eighth guy on a team. There's only about three or four cities in America where you can go about your daily life and not have just random people who don't even know you're a pro athlete staring at you because you're an outlier of an outlier. Right. And so that is, so that one of the things that when it comes to what you're talking with Aaron is everyone in Green Bay knows who all the backers are so like and so of course like if you are i bet baktiari can't go 10 feet without being stopped right much less the two

greatest players in the modern history of their franchise in farvin rogers yeah so um we like betting cowboys at buccaneers the line is now Tampa minus eight and a half on fan duel. So to me, this is a pass. I liked it at seven and a half. At eight and a half, it's a pass. I do think it has a chance to be Bama against Miami, where you get big brands and one of them can play. Tampa's fascinating. I can't tell you the last NFL team. You know I love the draft that went into a draft with no needs. They were simply drafting depth. Joe Tryon is just depth. They already had four players with over six sacks. And Tryon, I grew up, he grew up in the Pacific Northwest, went to Washington, grew up in the Tacoma area. I followed him for years. He's a wiry, explosive, very dynamic edge rusher. And so I can see Tampa in what I think is a little weaker conference really rolling over seven or eight teams this year. Their division is three. rebuilding teams.

So the division's bad. The division's bad. And that should be noted. They're not going to roll over the chargers. Denver can push back. Raiders can't. But you start looking at Kansas City schedule. Cleveland can push back.

I don't know who's going to win this thing. But my take on this is this minus eight and a half line if they cover. We're going to see that a lot with Tampa this year. It's going to be in the nines and tens. Listen, it was, you know, we all know. who was written into the NFL bylaws. Tom Brady is not allowed to play in a division with franchise quarterback.

He was drafted into one, you know, because the cults were in Tom Brady's division. And they got really good. Oh, my God, we can't have that. Let's create new divisions, send Peyton Manning to the AFC South because therefore Tom Brady has to go through Chad Pennington for 15 years. That'll be fine.

Then he goes to the NFC South. It's like, oh, he's got Drew Brees. No, Drew Brees. You got to retire now. you got to go. And so we know, we know those are the rules. But no, so I don't think the bucks are going to go back to the Super Bowl. I do think the bucks, though, are probably going to be the one seat.

So here's my logic on it. I don't think there's any team in the NFC East that can win 12, 13 games. I just don't. So scratch them all. Green Bay and the entire NFC North, the entire NFC North, the entire NFC North, the schedule Colin is a massacre. So the two divisions you play just by the randomness of the year, this year, if you're the NFC North or the AFC North, two excellent teams and a third good one, and the NFC West, the best division in football. So imagine if you're not the Packers. It's like, okay, we have the Packers twice, plus the Rams, the Seahawks, the Niners, the Cardinals, the Ravens, the Browns, the Steelers.

That's nine of your 17 games, right? The Packers obviously don't play themselves, but their one bonus game is against the Chiefs. Right. So that's, you got a lot of really hard games. So I don't think the Packers are going to be the one seed, even though I think they might be the best team in the NFC. And in the NFC West, too many good teams.

It's going to be very hard for one of those teams to get to 13 or 14 wins because you have six games against really good teams in your division. So I do think Tampa's going to be the one seat. I don't think they're going to make it back to the Super Bowl. I think that San Francisco is in a really good position, which is if Jimmy G gets hurt, then go to Trey Lance. If he doesn't get hurt, they can use Trey Lance as like a dynamic weapon. And if at some point Trey Lans is ready, they can just go to him.

Like that's something, this is, I'm going to rant here for a moment. Everyone says the Mahomes model, us, sit for a year, cut to then take over. I this is one of my most unpopular takes but I believe it with my heart I think the chiefs screwed that up I think the chiefs if my homes in 2018 was the best player in the league 5,000 yards 50 touchdowns MVP you're telling me that he got that much better in the off season or he was close to that in 2017 so the chiefs in 2017 went with Alex Smith started off well went in a rut stuck with him and then lost a home playoff game to Marcus Marriota, who doesn't get to start in the league anymore.

I think the chief should have gone to Mahomes midway through his rookie year. Everyone looks at his success because he was so good after. I wonder if Trey Lance, if they end up going to him at some point, his rookie year. But I do think Tampa's going to be really good. I also think nine points, if it gets there, is a big number in the NFL. That's a big week one number against a potential playoff team. Like the Cowboys, I don't think are great, but they're a potential playoff team. That's, I certainly wouldn't bet Tampa.

And if it got to nine, I think I'd bet the Cowboys. Also, even if Tampa dominates, McCarthy and Dak have something to prove, DAC shoulder, DAC injury, McCarthy bad first year. It would be a backdoor cover. Like, they will not stop fighting. They do not want to be humiliated. Correct. And they've got, by the way, they've got a.

have their if let's say the game's a little out of hand yeah it's not like they're going to you say they don't want to get humiliated that's correct they also need the reps they that didn't have preseason right they're going to need the i think they would use the time to be like let's work on some pat let's work on some stuff you know with our downfield passing game yeah i mean i think the problem for the cowboys is this there's two ways realistically to beat tampa one is the way the chiefs were going to try to in the Super Bowl, they obviously couldn't, which is, let's just getting a shootout. Let's just try to beat these guys 38, 35. Maybe Dallas could do that. If Zach Martin were there, if Dak was, you know, if it was week eight, if you're fully,

you know what I mean, fully rolling offensively, maybe you could. But when Dak hadn't played since he snapped his ankle, Zach Martin's not there, I don't think he'd be him a shootout. All right, the other way to beat him is how Chicago beat him, how the Giants almost beat him last year, just beat the hell out of Brady. You know the Cowboys can't do that. You know they can't. And with their kind of remade secondary, can't you see there be a lot of plays

where Cowboys guys afterwards are pointing at each other? Like, I thought you, wait. Like the miscommunication stuff. Yeah, I'd be very surprised at Dallas Woods. Very surprised. So another thing we disagree with a lot is Cam Newton. And I do think Cam played better than Boston Media said last year. I think he was very coachable.

I defended Cam almost all year. It was a nightmare. Eight opt-outs, no preseason. I thought Cam was a gamer last year. I thought they were two plays, a play against Buffalo, on a play of game against Seattle, from being nine and seven with literally no viable tied-ins or wide receivers.

And I thought the Boston media just had an axe to grind. I thought Cam wasn't terrible. He got COVID. And then two weeks after, he was weak and bad. At the end of the year, for what he had, I mean, hell, Brady left for a reason. They got no players. But here's where you and I, here's my issue with Cam and I said it this week, is that the media has a soft spot for a unique and interesting. And Cam was both.

He was a power running quarterback. He liked fashion. Westbrook's like this. And that Cam was treated almost like Mahomes. he never had back-to-back winning seasons. In fact, he had at least what we consider an above-average coach. In five of nine years, he had a top-10 defense. And most of his career, the rest of the division was rebuilding.

And he never had back-to-back winning seasons. So though I defended him, he had no market when he was available the first time with New England. And now he has no market as a backup. Will Greer got a phone call in eight minutes from the Cowboys. and that my criticism isn't as much about Cam as it is about the fanaticism among the media treating him like he's special. I mean, Lamar Jackson has won 81% of his games in an excellent division. He doesn't have a national commercial. You can't, for every positive article, there's a negative one.

Well, Lamar, listen, you mentioned Cam, Cam's greatest quality. as a human being is probably his charisma. Listen, man, Cam, when Cam is, he's great looking. He is like, you know, he commands a room. So I understand why endorsements would love Cam. But I have a few thoughts on this. One is, I mean, to the surprise of absolutely no one,

it took approximately three minutes for the Boston media to turn their knives on Cam. It's like, oh, he might lose the job. to the Alabama quarterback. Oh, I hear, you know what's hurting Cam? This came out of local Boston radio. He's dancing to that hippety hot music too much before the during practice. And then the moment after he's released, you know what gets leaked?

Matt Jones was teaching Cam Newton the playbook. Go to hell. Like, stop it. We know what you're saying there. And that right there is why Cam did have some media. members, and I might be one of them, who tried to maybe overlook some of his flaws because he was a guy who was always, there was about 10% of the sports media, and it typically was the 10% of the sports media that I dislike the most, who always went after him, who never gave him credit,

and it was like, you know what, I don't want to be. lumped in with you guys. And it's the same, and I'm not talking about you, Colin, but I don't want to be lumped with that group. And it's the same thing, by the way, in an odd way, that is preventing, and I've said this to you before, I think the media from having an honest discussion about Lamar. Lamar is clearly transcendent. Lamar is clearly a winner. And Lamar is tough as nails. And if you can't make a top 10 or even a top eight quarterback list, that's credible that doesn't have more. Right. Right. All that's true. This is also true. He clearly has some limitations throwing the football that it doesn't really matter in the regular season, but has hurt him in the playoffs. There are smart members of the media, members that do their whole, their whole ethos is analytics and, you know, like the really advanced stats who ignore all of the Lamar Jackson obvious flaws. And there's not many, but they are glaring because.

They don't want to be on ever on the side of the argument with the folks who were like, he should play wide receiver because those people were idiots. And so I think there is a like the enemy of my enemy is my friend thing going on with some quarterbacks, particularly black mobile quarterbacks, which is because their loudest critics tend to sometimes be jackasses that folks then treat them with kid gloves because I have found some of the Lamar Jackson commentary of patronizing to be totally honest. Yeah. Like disrespectful of his ability because here's the reality.

If your team starting running back goes down and it devastates your team's chances, that is an indictment on the quarterback. It just is, right? Like there's not, what teams could lose their starting running back? They're like, oh, they're screwed. Well, the Titans, because nobody really believes in Tannel, no matter what the numbers are. Well, the Saints, well, that's because nobody's going to believe in James, rightfully so. So if you look at the Ravens, they're like, oh, no Dobbins.

Well, now they're screwed. What you're saying is you have questions about Lamar's ability to throw the ball. Those questions are fine to ask, just like they were. fine to ask with Cam. The one of my problems with the Cam stuff was we can't act like his excellence didn't exist. He had one of the, Colin, you watch college football. You've seen many guys with a better single season than Cam, because I haven't. And the 15 and one year, he was special.

The 15 and one year, he was special and outstanding. I always try to judge this. I try to be very consistent on this. Cam didn't win enough. Lamar wins a lot. That's why I like Lamar. It all falls there. I don't, you know me.

I'm more accountant than I am artist. I don't care stylistically. Cam didn't win. Lamar wins. And I always have this, I always have this belief that the greater you are at something, you don't have to be complete. Great example. If you're a talk show host and you're really genuinely funny, you don't have to watch

as many games because you can kind of, if you're a great conversationalist or you're genuinely funny or quick-witted, then the details matter less. If you're dry, you can't make mistakes. You have to be a human box score. Lamar is so transformative as a playmaker. I don't need Patrick Mahones, the thrower. I win an 80% of my game. You know, that's a great point.

You know what, Colin, that, my friend, is a great point. And you put it in really good terms. Because you're, so you still, you love sports still. And, you know, I hung out with you, you know, outside of work. Like you are spending, you watch a hell of a lot more college football than me. You watch as much NFL as is humanly possible. And you're watching all the big NBA games. But let's be honest, that is only kind of what people are coming to you for.

They're coming to you for kind of like the big picture stuff crystallized in a way they can deal with it. Our old friend, Mad Dog Russo, right? He watches everything, but I think people are listening to him mostly because he's funny. Now, I don't know what he means to be funny, but he's hilarious. He's hilarious. Now, I, I can, I can be like quickly funny off of someone else. Like with you, I can be funny. But nobody, nobody when they're describing me, he's like, Nick Wright, that guy's hilarious.

It is super important for me that I am buttoned up on all the information because that's what I'm here for, right? Like I am people, it's one of the best. I don't even know what people mean it as a compliment, but I take it as one. Like people when I used to come on your show early on and they didn't know my name, they would call me the facts guy. FACTS, like because like, but that's what I'm there for. Like I'm there to like provide information and kind of punch you with it. Bam, bam, bam. Yeah.

And so I can't. It's a bigger deal if I have a grievous factor about something than it is for most talk show hosts because that's kind of supposed to be my thing. And that's an interesting thing with what you're saying about Lamar is when you, when your thing, you are so great at it. Playmaking. That if your playmaking is one of one at your position ever. Yep. That if you have some weaknesses and some other stuff, overall, you were still. still so outstanding you can deal with it.

I think it's a really good point, like a really good point that I hadn't thought of. Yeah, and Cam had playmaking, but it didn't produce wins. Whereas Lamar's produces wins. It is so special. He's so fast. Now, Cam was a power runner. Lamar is so fast. If you don't have a spy, and sometimes if you do, he will humiliate you.

He will literally run past your people. Speaking of running quarterbacks, and wins. Can I ask you a question? I know it's probably not on the schedule for today. Oh, I don't care. Yeah. What's your concern level about Kyler, the Cardinals, Cliff Kingsbury? Because to me, they're staring at a last place in the division.

And that doesn't mean they stink, but that's a brutal division. Kingsbury, I'm not sure on. And Kyler, the reason it worries me is because of his size, I think he's a guy that, like, his best chance to win at a super high level. is more likely to be early in his career than late because I don't know how long a 5-10 quarterback that's not Russell Wilson or Drew Breeze is going to, you know, last at his style. And I think they could be in a really rough spot this year, a really rough spot. Well, he has a perfect comp and he's in the same division.

Like Russell Wilson, he is evasive and rarely gets hit because they both played baseball and their beautiful sliders. Lamar's not. Cam wasn't. So Kyler and Russell played baseball, run around, rarely get hit, slide, and they throw both a beautiful catchable ball. They're baseball players. They're very similar. Now, the difference is, Kyler has, remember that awkward interview on the Dan Patrick show? There have been discussions that Kyler's not really a leader.

They brought in J.J. Watt for that. AJ Green. They brought in veteran players to lead. Whereas Russell, it's really part of his DNA. I mean, he could be a pastor. He could be, you know, Joel Osteen. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games.

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So Russell is and Pete is. So Pete's a great leader. Greg Olson tells me his staff meeting, I mean, his meetings, Greg's like, They are so buttoned up. It's awe-inspiring. All of them. Every week. Believe it.

So Pete's a great leader and Russell. What I worry about is Cliff isn't a great leader, though he's bright. And Kyler's talented, but not a great leader. And this league is largely defined by leadership. Andy Reid is a leader and a mentor. Mahomes clearly has a galvanizing effect on it. Travis Kelsey feels very much a leader. So when I look at Kansas City, the hunt for,

family. I just, I don't see just talent. I just see leaders everywhere and talent. Arizona, I see talent. Outside of JJ Watt, who do you say? Oh, yeah, he, especially now that Fitzgerald's gone. And by the way, Fitzgerald was not super loud. He was just so excellent for so long and respected. But, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, is the, I don't know, like, is the, I don't know where he, he falls on a leadership spectrum. I think some of his anti-back stuff probably hurts him in the locker room in some way. So like that is tough. The JJ Woff point is a good one.

But that's why they're worried about the Cardinals. What are there two big off season acquisitions? Veteran with like amazing players way past their prime who have injured issues in A.J. And JJ and JJ. But why did they bring them there? Yeah. Leadership. So what I worry about what Kansas, Arizona is Kansas City without leadership.

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So watching you play poker and all you guys talk in your lexicon and all your poker terms, might as well have been fucking Russian. I don't know anything. The riverboat side eye. Shit means nothing to me. I don't get any of it. But you want a hand on this. And I got to be honest with you.

There are certain industries in America that there's a dark, I wouldn't say there's a darkness to them. A little gritty side. And a mythology to them that I'm, jealous i'm not involved in and when i watch you play poker have to be honest i'm a little jealous oh that makes you feel so good it makes feel so good because here's the thing people get it this is gonna sound weird but it's a safe space i can tell you this yeah having other people jealous of you is like a cool feeling right you try not to be jealous by having other people jealous of you so what are

the reasons people typically if you were to say, oh, I'm jealous of Nick Wright. Some people might say, oh, he has an amazing job. Well, Colin has literally the same job I have. Okay, so he's not going to be jealous of me of that. I'm going to say something that's really, really, I mean, inappropriate. But again, we're friends here. Some people might be like, oh, he's got a super hot wife. Well, as do you, if I may say with respect. So, Colin's not going to be jealous of that. Like, oh, he makes good money. Well, okay, yeah. So is Colin. So what's he going to be jealous of? Oh, wait. We found it. I get to play poker with these guys and got to be on the inside and use the terms and be

at home and post the clips of it. And I'm all of a sudden like wearing totally different clothes than people ever see me in. Yeah. $1,500 sweat jackets from Burberry. Like, just because that's kind of a mind game when you're playing poker is to wear like the super comfortable obnoxiously expensive stuff. Like, oh yeah, this money doesn't mean anything when it means a lot.

Like, that's a part of it. Yeah, that makes me feel so happy. They're something you're jealous of. No, I literally watch you and Helmuth play. And I thought, if I sat down at that table, I would be like, go fish. What do I say? I don't even know what to say. I couldn't even engage either of you in a single sentence.

And I sat there and I was like, I've got to be honest, it's kind of cool. It's very insular. I feel a little bit like that with cryptocurrency, although I'm, I'm not going to be a big investor in that. But I do find that poker and cryptocurrency, it's a very intellectual, very intense, mathy industry. And by the way, your instinct is dead on, Colin. Because right now is a great time for poker because so many poker players were early on crypto

and are now wealthier than they ever thought they'd be. So there's a lot of extra money in the game. So there's a lot of folks that were into Bitcoin and Ethereum and these NFTs early. And now they were guys that were 100,000 errors or low millionaires who now have on paper, you know, $20 million. And so the poker games have gotten a lot better. It's kind of like the online poker boom. Like the poker games have gotten a lot juicier as of lately because there's a huge overlap

between people in the poker community and people in the crypto community. Now, unfortunately, I wasn't big in the crypto streets, which like now, that's that you talk about jealousy. That's where I have the foam mold more than anything. Because I see all these dofaces who have now like $13 million off a $40,000 Bitcoin investment in 2012 and I can't get over. But such as life. Yeah.

You know, it's great talking to you. We only talk about like this. We've only done about one of these a month, but I'm always around. And you know my favorite part of doing it with you, I didn't look at a single question. My staff gives me about eight questions. I didn't ask a single one. Not one. Didn't even care.

And you and I, listen, I'm real quick, where we go. America, there has been not. enough discussion about Trevor Lawrence. And you, I know, are, were at least in college in high school, as high on Trevor Lawrence as anybody. I saw him in high school. I saw him drive in high school. Yep. And so I am much like I did with Luca before he played an NBA game, I was like, that's my guy. And I am going to, even when he's not necessarily involved in the conversation. I'm going to find a way to bring him in so the audience associates me with him because I was so sure he's going to be awesome. I think there is sneak-old. I think there is a

20% chance the Jags make the playoffs. Oh, the power of Trevor and your guy Irvin. I really do. I think that like I now you and I feel differently about the cult. Hey, if Carson, if Carson Wentz gets hurt. They're finished. They're screwed. I mean, it's Jacob East. think about this. So they're screwed. Texans could be the worst team in the league. And Tennessee just lost a coordinator that saved Tanna Hill's career. And the thing with Tennessee is, and I hate to like put this out there.

But the history of guys with back-to-back years of the workload Derek Henry has had that in year three, something bad didn't happen to them or their production didn't plummet. It's really Earl Campbell, Jim Brown, Emmett Smith, Eric Dickerson, and that's your list. Like guys, now maybe he has shown he is kind of that level of guys. So maybe he'll be fine. But Indy is a quarterback injury from a very injury prone quarterback away from being cooked. The Texans are already cooked. The Titans, the loss of Arthur Smith is massive. It's why I actually like the Falcons this year to be the second best team in the FC West.

and they are if something happens with Derek Henry, all of a sudden you're asking, could nine and eight win the AFC South and could with Urban? I like the DJ Chark, Marvin Jones, Levisico Chanel are three solid receivers, James Robinson's, a solid running back. I personally think the Jags are going to be interesting, and it's going to be on the strength.

Like we've talked so much about Zach Wilson, and when will Treylands play? Why isn't Justin Fields playing and Mac Jones? Trevor Lawrence, like, yeah, I've always been better than all of them. Just since high school, it's been me. So I'm very interested in the Jags this year, really interesting. This was so much fun. All right, Nick Wright.

Go have a great weekend, buddy. Thank you, you too. I'll talk to you soon, Colin. Nick Wright. At the Volume Sports, Twitter, and Instagram, rate, review, subscribe. Shit, that was good. That was 45 minutes of good right there. The Volume.

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