The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast - Nick Wright Part 1, Mark Cuban For President?, Harbaugh Scandal Doesn’t Matter, Faux Outrage, Best PxP Announcers

Episode Date: November 29, 2023

Nick Wright, host of “First Things First” on FS1 joins Colin to chop it up!  They react to the news of Mark Cuban selling a majority share in the Dallas Mavericks and Colin wonders whether Cuban has his sights set on a presidential run (3:00). They explain why the cheating scandal at Michigan was barely a minor violation that Jim Harbaugh doesn’t deserve a harsh punishment for (11:30) and give their takes on the crazy level of faux outrage found on social media (22:30).  They also contrast and compare TV hosts and journalists with “opinionists” like themselves (30:00) and talk about the TV play by play and color analysts they admire the most (34:30). Don’t forget to check back for Part 2! (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates! #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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All right, Nick, the biggest story of the day, Mark Cuban, who recently announced he's leaving Shark Tank. He's leaving Shark Tank. A week later announces he's selling a majority stake of the Dallas Mavericks to a casino tycoon for about $3.5 billion. It's a unique setup, according to Shams, Cuban keep shares in the team full control of basketball operations. So my first take is recent polling indicates Biden is not a viable candidate. And Mark Cuban is to me a centrist, a left-leaning centrist and has an interest in it. There's no reason in one week to make these moves. My guess is it signals a political upheaval in the Democratic Party and Cuban could become a leading candidate with the vice president being selected.

by the Democratic Party. Oh, well, that is not what I thought you were going to say. That is, you sure you're not just watching too much billions? That last season of billions by my buddy Brian Coppulman kind of had this, except the guy was running third, running third party candidate. All right. So I don't, I would say the fly in that ointment is, then why is he keeping basketball control in case he doesn't,

Like in case he doesn't win, that way he can still have basketball. I mean, I did not think that's what you were going to say. There's an altruistic bent to his personality. He created an online pharmacy that I think is one of the great inventions up there with TV and FaceTime. I totally agree with you on that. One of the great of our time. Who benefits older Americans? Who votes older Americans?

it's a very, very powerful mechanism for relatability with older American voters who often can trend conservative. If you're getting, if you're saving eight, nine hundred bucks a month on a pharmacy buy based on Mark Cuban, that's powerful. Well, listen, that's, that's, I think it's called cost plus drugs. It is, it's, I agree with you on that, that that, that is, one of the coolest and smartest innovations of the last decade. And it's not,

it isn't pure altruism because they, you know, they tell you, we're going to charge you what it costs us plus 10% to make it a viable business. And it also gives you an idea of how much price gouging people deal with for medications and all those things. So I think that's great.

Listen, I like you. I didn't, you know, I don't. know that him I the thing on you know the Biden part of it is is is poll numbers are terrible that's undeniable I understand that I also think from an accomplishment standpoint he has been far more effective than people give him credit for now people can say it's been

effective in a bad direction like because you don't like the things he went out to accomplish but for the things that he said he was going to accomplish, I think he's checked a lot of those boxes. The big, listen, the problem for him, and I think the biggest thing that's hurting his poll numbers is his vice president is unpopular for reasons we don't have to get into, but she is, and people are worried about his age. Now the guy running against him, in my humble opinion,

is one of the most dangerous unhinged people in modern American life and is damn near as old. So between the two, to me, it's a pretty obvious choice. I do understand where people would like a different, you know, alternative option. I just assumed that would just, if there were going to be an alternative option,

I assumed it would be Gavin Newsom. I figured that's why he's doing this debate with DeSantis, but maybe he's trying to wait. Cuban trying to, I mean, if you call this correct, that is an all-timer. I don't, like, that is not where my head went. I thought that I'll be totally,

honest. My initial head went to like, is there a scandal that's coming? Like, is he, and I'm not wishing that upon him, but I'm just being totally honest, like, okay, you're getting away from Shark Tank, you're selling your share of the Mabs. Is something coming out that could put you at a very weakened position? That's probably, if I had to guess a second take, that would be it. Um, and if you have a deal with the new owner, part of the sale, I get to control the team that's kind of hard to unwind almost no matter what.

Like, I wouldn't have sold you the team otherwise. What I will say is this, because people don't, you know, I'm sure a fair amount of your viewers and listeners don't love my politics. That's fine. I think Cuban would be an excellent leader. I think Cuban, and I think he is,

I think there's a lot of, I think there are a lot of rich people, like Uber rich people, that I am not sure how sharp they are. I'm like, eh. Like, I think you probably were very smart about a very specific thing. And to your credit, right timing, right whatever, turn it into a ton of money. And far too many people treat those folks as brilliant visionaries when it might have just been like, eh, that's pretty, you know, good timing and I'm really smart at this certain thing. Cuban, I've read enough things that he's said.

I've seen him. He's been in my life for 20-some in my life. You know what I mean? In our lives for 20-some years, I'm pretty confident saying that's sharp guy. It's a sharp guy. And also what I will say about whatever, because I, the overwhelming odds are the next president is either going to be, you know, Joseph Robinette Biden or Donald Trump. Um, whomever comes after either one of those guys,

because neither one of them can run again. Now, assuredly, you know, if Trump wins, he will attempt to not ever have to run again. Just be president for life. There's a word for that. And I don't know what it is. Um, whoever comes after one of those guys, I really hope they are more of the moment.

Because I do think we are facing some real, challenges from a technological standpoint of the world changing. And it's not, I'm not trying to do like AI panic, but that's certainly a part of it. AI and just as the world evolves, that it certainly feels like I don't need them to be AOC's age or my age. I think me and AOC are about the same age. She's probably a little younger. But someone that you, Colin Cowherd, wouldn't feel like you had to call sir or ma'am or mister or missus because they are so much older than you i would like and so cuban fits that bill um newsom fits that bill for the folks on the right side of the aisle desantis fits that bill i do i i would like the younger and by younger again i just mean

people my parents age like are you know a little younger than my parents to have more of the because it's not just president it's you know up until recently the Speaker of the House, the leader of the Senate, these are all, you know, much, much older folks that I'm not saying they're not sharp enough to understand what's happening. What I'm saying is there's a level of understanding things that you use or grew up with or something that is always going to be hard in the same way that I simply don't. I'm not good at TikTok and I'm really good at Twitter because I came up using Twitter and TikTok was, you know what I mean is the last five years? And I'm like, my teenage daughters

gets it more than me. So yeah, but if Cuban runs for president, I mean, A, that'd be a hell of a call by you. B, you could probably convince him to create a cabinet of sports and make you the secretary of it. Like you and Bill Simmons could arm wrestle over it. That'd be something else, man. That would be something else. So, you know, last week we didn't talk a ton of sports, and I do have a non-sports topic I'll get to, but there is a sports thing where, you know, I've said before, we're all morally flexible.

Okay, we're all morally flexible. We all speed. I drove about 80 getting to my house today, though I don't have a speeding ticket. You know, if I'd gone through a school district, I wouldn't, but it was all like, you know, just freeways and stuff. And it is interesting, the position that I, and you're not a big college football,

fan, but it's beyond that. That I know Jim Harbaugh's program did something that appears to be deceptive, but it doesn't bother me. And the reason it doesn't bother me is because, and it's probably two or three different reasons. One, it's like taxes. If I write off a bottle of wine, I'm not the first, and I'm kind of a sucker if I don't, right? Like at some point, you're like, yeah. And the other thing about it is, I feel deep down, because this has been source multiple times, there's been so much cheating going on, and I don't think Harbaugh and Michigan's history indicates they ever bought players or skirted the system. But I sort of feel like a lot of people that are pissed off are Southern College football fans who now acknowledge, you know, Michigan and everybody

can buy players too. And now the NIL and transfer portal, it's. even the playing field out. And I think that combined with Harbaugh's unique personality, I'm rooting for Jim to not be punished too severely. Well, listen, I agree with almost all of that. And so a few things. One is it's also bad for college football if he's punished super severely because it makes it more likely he leaves college football. And Jim Harbaugh is good for college football. Nobody benefits from Jim Harbaugh going to close.

coach the Bears other than potentially the Bears. And so he's good for college football. I also don't think there's a lot of people actually outraged by this. I think there are people that either at an axe to grind or have their own purposes served by Michigan being dinged that are acting like they are deeply morally outraged. I'm not acting like there aren't moral outrages in sports, there are sometimes it almost always, to me, involves off-field violence, particularly off-field violence towards people that can't really defend themselves. And I'm not, I've never been one that's, I'm not that outraged by when pre-NIL guys paid for players.

I wasn't that outraged. I'm not that outraged by a pro athlete getting in a bar fight. There are different things, though, and everybody knows what they are where you're like, no, that's beyond the pale and it makes me feel kind of scummy rooting for this guy or this. team and that's but this was not a hard one for me it did not seem like now there are and so we all have different lines if the scandal was and maybe people will say nick you're just drawing totally arbitrary lines so be it if this was the allegation at michigan stadium at the big house they would systematically cut off the ability for the opposing team to communicate coach to

quarterback in key moments. I would think that is a massive violation. That is to me, and again, I don't know why that is in one category. In 1994, when they set the rule, there were camcorders. It would have been very difficult to get those tickets. It would have taken you a week. And camcorders set up in a room, in an office, people, this is C geek iPhone. It just isn't the same.

Exactly right. and it also didn't, it felt like whenever there is a system that is built around the assumption, there is some level of cheating. That cheating existing doesn't bother me that much. And by that, I mean, the reason college football has four guys faces on a placard as a sign and then they change it up or all these things is because there is the assumption, as some of our signs might be stolen at some. point. Nobody thinks that's not happening ever. So this one didn't, I agree with you on this.

This one didn't rise to the level of felony. Now, with that said, what did, I don't want to say bother me, but at least I found a little irritating, was Michigan acting like they are this persecuted, you know, totally innocent babe in the woods. And Michigan, I understand in sports, with the Michigan versus everybody and this idea that they have been wronged. I don't think Michigan has been wronged. I don't think they're the victim, but I also don't think they victimized anyone on any substantial level. And I think they're the best college football team in the country. You're right.

I don't watch nearly as much as you do, but I watch the biggest games, and I'm very familiar with the teams that are in the argument for the best college football team in the country. And I know Georgia fans are going to be like we haven't lost in three years. Maybe it should be us. I get that. I think Michigan has just can beat you in almost every way. I don't think they're going to beat you 49-45. I understand that.

But their defense is too good, in my opinion, to let a game get to 49-45. And so I just, I'm really impressed by them. I'm really impressed by them. And I'll be surprised if Iowa scores seven points. I know that game's on Fox. Everyone should watch it, but I'll be surprised if I was worth seven-fold. Our judicial system, our judicial system has layers of crimes, like levels of crimes. And this is like speeding. Yes, Jim went too fast and probably flip the burden of Maserati going 92. At 80 in an Acura, it wouldn't have been outrageous. But it was kind of in your face over the top, if it's true, right? It was a little, but it's still speeding. It's not, it's not burglary. It's, it, it, this, yeah, correct.

This is, this is at worse, to use the judicial analogy, the most severe misdemeanor. It does not qualify as like the least severe felony. This is at most like walking out of the supermarket and with something in your, you know, doing the self-checkout and being like, oh, I forgot the stuff. at the bottom of my cart. I'm sorry. Like, yeah, you might, they might even give you a court date for it. But it's not really, you probably don't need to hire an attorney. Like, that's to me the level that it was at.

And also, that's why your, since your show does your pod and your show does a substantial mind of college football, you guys talked about it. We, on my pod and on my TV show, we haven't talked about it once. Like, yeah. Like, it's just not our, like, I don't think, but if it was a true scandal, It was, we would, we don't talk a ton of baseball. Yeah. When the Astros thing was going on, we at least talked about that and what it meant.

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Let's pivot to something else you talked about, but it was part of this, the overstated anger, often apparent on social media that doesn't exist. And so I've had this feeling forever that, for instance, very few people hate Joe Biden. He's sleepy. He would be picking on an old guy, but his poll numbers are plummeting. And I think it's inflation. I think it's very simply that I used to go to the grocery store, and it would be about $55 to get the $12 to $15 items I go get once a week. It's now 73.

I notice, well, what if you're working class, a couple of kids, long commute to work, gas prices up? That's the polling numbers. It's not that suddenly everybody hates Biden or everybody now has forgotten Trump and has passed. it's simply the economy. But if you go to social media, it's nobody likes Joe Biden. It's not that. It's overstated anger. And the truth is if you go look at the history of our politics, for instance, the midterms, liberals did pretty well.

Recent elections, liberals did well. I don't believe now suddenly it's going to be an avalanche to the right. What I believe is happening is our government's trying to get it under control. These are why the interest rates are so high. inflation is worse than we're talking about. You and I are a bit in a bubble, but when I go to the grocery store or McDonald's, I drove by a McDonald's the other day, and I was with my stepson. And he goes, have you gone there lately? And I said, I usually go in the summer. I'll go get some French fries when I want a salt high. And he said, it used to be 13. And now you got to break a second bill.

Now it's 21. So you go from giving a 20 and getting seven back, to you have to give them a second bill. it pisses people off. And so overstated anger. Now, we can go back to sports. But I tend to think this is something I tell people all the time when you're creating a show or when you're acknowledging a problem. Don't fall for anger that doesn't exist in your neighborhood. Very few things.

The last thing that pissed people off did I remember was that submarine, the dad got his son on it and it blew up. That pissed a lot of parents off. That made me visceral reaction. I was mad at that dad. But by and large, Nick, I am probably outraged twice a year. That is it. Well, so this is an interesting thing.

And maybe this is a conversation in and of itself. And by the way, remind me at some point, there's a LeBron thing I want to talk to you about. Not surprisingly, but just remind me at some point. I am starting to, because for a long time I was of the belief that too much of our colleagues and too much of media in general is reacting to the loudest voices on social media and that that is not really what matters. and that the average person doesn't even know about it or care about all those things. That's kind of how I felt. And I felt a lot of people were treating Twitter like real life in ways they should and all those things. Here is my concern.

I think we are approaching that it almost has become a self-fulfilling prophecy in that you're right. People are not often that outraged. But if we are fed so much outrage and, then we believe everyone is outraged. It then leads to that being real. And in a weird way, and this is, again, I apologize, I'm building quite the bridge here. But there was the story yesterday that Sports Illustrated, what was let was let the Sports Illustrated that some of their articles are being written by AI, fake people, AI headshots,

AI stories, the whole night. And it's pretty outrageous. And it's a really sad final stop for a once proud brand. And I just started thinking, I was like, God damn, man. Like, we are approaching somewhat rapidly. Like, there not being any authoritative voices or publications that actually can set, listen, here are the things that matter. Here's the bullshit.

And if we lose those entirely, then what is the difference between what people are actually mad about and what social media or Twitter says everybody's mad about that then sets the conversation? Like, I, I, I'm not, I'm not explaining this perfectly, but I do wonder there's the, right now social, there's a very dark corner of social media that is furious. Yeah. with Malika Andrews for no reason whatsoever, in my opinion. I think it's so wildly unfair, but it is so amplified. And so in your face, if you even step your toe into like NBA Twitter, does that actually now mean that's the reality? Like if there is, like for her, it's the reality.

Like, it's what she's dealing with. I'm now mentioning it. It's like even if it was all bullshit, if enough. If enough, if there's enough amplification of the bullshit, does that make the bullshit the real thing? And that, that legit concerns. I'm more concerned by bad executives. And I don't think Fox has a very big number of these that are reactionary and think it's the truth. So I think Malika Andrews is on a short list of six or seven people, the single most talented person at ESPN.

I think she's on a very short list. If I literally was high a host, forget anything. A singular host in the country, she'd probably be one or two. That's how highly I think of her. She, I mean, this is going to sound that, you know, I'll let you finish as arrogant as it is. She's one of the only people in the country. Younger than me, then I'm like, God, dog, it might be more talented. It hurts.

It hurts my heart. Like, I don't want to say it. Like, I have no jealousy or bitterness towards. anyone in the business older than me? Because I'm like, by the time I'm their age, I'll be better. But anyone younger than me, I'm like keeping track of them.

I'm like, where are they at? And so, yeah, so we agree on that. This is where bosses really met, deeply, truly matter.

And where really for any, we got a lot of, I had a bunch of people respond to the discussion we did last week about local radio and media. I think media people, especially younger media people, appreciated some of the conversations we have.

those people are listening, this is one thing that I will tell you, if you are in the creative space and the no walking without a net space, which anyone doing live radio or television or anything live is, it really matters who your bosses are because you are going to step in it. We all step in it to varying degrees on varying things. And there are certain things that no matter how good your boss is, if you say something truly objectionable, nobody's going to be able to save you. But There's going to be times where people get really, really mad at you. And whether or not that scares them, whether or not they know this is a temporary moment and we will move past it. And whether or not they back you is as important as anything ever, as important as anything ever.

You are one of the true opinionists in the country beyond me. A lot of people are hosts who host shows, but they're not. not really opinionists. You know, they, they, they don't want to be called out. I consider myself not an importance, but I consider myself Joe Rogan, Stern, Bill Marr, Hannity, Maddow. I'm an opinionist that can break a story. I'm not a host. You're not a host. We're opinionists. And research indicates seven to eight strong opinions a day over the course of a two to three hour show. nobody's going seven and oh. In fact, if you are, you're taking safe opinions, which will be punitively punishing

you in the ratings. People listen to the guy at the sports bar who's got the strongest opinion. And you and I both are strong opinion people. So I always looked at it when I, I have not one time at Fox, eight years, not one time as Fox ever said, you know that opinion, not once, not with a mistake, not with an opinion. So that's something people don't. Never. So that's something that people, that's one of the bigger questions I get.

And just to, listen, not to give, you know, our TV bosses, you know, all, you spend a ton of time giving them credit. But they, on this note, I think they deserve a ton of credit, which is one of the biggest questions I get is like, ooh, you know, Fox Sports, Fox News. Obviously, the Murdoch family has pretty well known. I don't think I'm breaking news here, political feeling. and leanings and whatever it is, how much does that impact what you guys say? And I told them, honest to God, truth, I've hosted my show for over six years. There's not been one email. There's not been one phone call.

And now that's easy when we're just like, hey, who's going to win the Super Bowl? But the show had just started in the midst of the Kaepernick stuff. Trump calling them sons of bitches. A few years ago, we were deep in it. When the bubble happened in the George Floyd protest, it's not like we are, always just talking sports. We are talking about real stuff. And I have never once gotten a note on, oh, no, you can't, what are you going to say on this? You can't say that. And that is, and I do think there is the first time you get one of those, because this happened to me a different

spot, there is, and it wasn't even about anything important. It was about what I was, what I was going to say about the head coach of the Texans, the dumbest thing imaginable, but they're a partner in this or whatever. Once you get one of those, there is a chilling effect. There is like, oh, am I what I? And then you can't fully be you. And I'm not even talking about when I say, we're all going to step in it, just like have an opinion that's, you know, is proven wrong or whatever. I'm talking about just doing live. That's, you and so you mentioned Matt out or Marr. There are some folks that are opinionists, but they have every second mapped out. And their brilliance is making it appear.

They are delivering it. Like the late, Robin Williams doing comedy. Yes, there you go. And so, but they've actually planned it all out. You and I, I think, do it similarly, which is we have a skeleton of what we're going to talk about. and then it goes where it where our brain goes and what is you know what I mean and sometimes that leads to screw ups or that leads to oh shoot I forgot that whatever and having people that you know will back you is to me just critically critically people.

Three or four weeks ago I was talking a producer talked to me at the same time I was talking and I butchered a word I didn't know it because I couldn't hear me talking because a producer was talking. So it's just, I'm always think one of the most amazing amazingly difficult jobs is play by play of football. So you got three hours and you got, you know, you got Greg Olson up there with Burckhart.

They got commercial reads. They've got the crowd. They have a sideline person. They have a director in their ear. Whenever I see criticism in a big game of a play-by-play announcer, a Cheriko, a Nance, a Buck, Burckhart, you have no idea how hard

it is to do that game. It's, I've, I've been on those headsets. It makes my job look like a layup and that's a 360 windmill dunk. Yeah, so I, yeah, I can't, I can't imagine that. By the way, you have Greg, you have a relationship with Greg Olson, right? Yeah, I've known him. Okay. Please tell him, this doesn't have to be on the air.

I think he is, and I have a, I have a pretty high standard for color commentators in basketball and football. basketball, the NBA, vast majority of games I listen to on mute, or I watch on mute. Like, I get actively irritated by the commentary on most of the crews, not all of them. Football's way better. But there aren't a ton of color commentators that I think are truly adding. I think Greg is so sharp.

And I thought, like, the other day, I forget even what game it was. it might have been a Thanksgiving game, I don't know. But we have the opportunity, the rare opportunity, the nerd dream of the white whale that is the free kick, which is if you fair catch a punt, you can kick from where you fair caught with no rush off a tee. It's something I've heard about since I was a kid. I've never seen because you need it. You need to be like a punt at the end of the half. That didn't feel a goal range.

And the moment it happened, I was like, oh my God, it could be a free. And before I even had the thought out, Greg said it. Greg is, I think Greg and Burkhart are awesome. I think the A teams, we're lucky as football fans. That the biggest games, like the NBC team's great. I love, I love Collinsworth. I love his enthusiasm. Buck and Aikman, it's unbelievable that Buck and Akeman have now been together longer than Madden and Summer all were,

which is, it seems impossible in my head, but it's true. I think Tony Romo, had his best year. The Romo and Nance just had one of the best unscripted calls I can remember. Not like a win they win the game. This is what I'm going to say. But the Duran Blan picked six. He said this is history when he still had three guys to beat.

Anyway, it wasn't history if he don't score. And Blan picked him up by making those guys miss. Yeah, I mean, our football crews are great. And I think Burkhart and Olson are as good as anybody. I think they're excellent. And another guy you have on your show, obviously we both love Stink, who's great. But Sanchez is really sharp.

I think Mark is really sharp. Andy has the second best hair at Fox. I don't know who has the best, but he's really sharp. The volume. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman

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