The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast - Nick Wright Part 2: Brady As A Broadcaster, Athletes vs. Artists, Shedeur Sanders Tanking His Stock?

Episode Date: May 2, 2024

Colin is joined by Nick Wright, host of “First Things First” on FS1! Nick explains why the GIANTS won the draft because of a trade they weren’t able to make (2:00). They talk about why it’s painfully obvious that Tom Brady still wants to play football and break down why Brady’s competitive nature will make him a great broadcaster (11:00). They wax philosophically about having a “competitive mentality” and how it drives them (14:30). Colin compares athletes and artists, and marvels at how athletes are unique in being able to continue to become even greater AFTER being paid, and why greatness in sports doesn’t make you a target of worship… it makes you a target. They list the biggest stars in sports and debate which are artists or athletes (21:30) Finally, they talk about how Spencer Rattler hurt his draft stock based on how he was viewed in an old documentary, and why Shedeur Sanders talking trash online could hurt his stock as well (36:00). (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates! #Volume #Herd See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome into part two of the podcast with Nick Wright. Being awful at quarterback, Jay Glazer-O says this. It is the most miserable thing in the league. So Atlanta said, yeah, we're- And why did Raheem Morris? Reh Morris was a coaching, hot shots the wrong word. but like the youngest coach in the league like on this what happened no quarterback he never got quarterback and so then for a decade he's grinding himself back and he and i think he's probably like

never again never again like i'm going to give myself a floor at that spot so i understand that i just and maybe i'm spoiled because the team i root for is competing for championships i'm not I mean, smart ass. And the Chiefs and the Packers for most of my life have at least been B to B plus at quarterback. Yes. And right, the Chiefs never had the guy, but they had Trent Green, they had Alex. They weren't terrible except for a few years. But I'd like, man, if you're a Falcons fan, try to go be great.

If you sign Kirk, you, let me, I'll tell you, somebody asked me today who I thought won the draft, right? So I'm going to give you a wild take on that. Okay. I think you can make an argument that Giants won the draft because New England didn't take their trade. It's reported yesterday that the Giants offered six and next year's number one for the third pick. And I'm like, oh, so they're, they hoped to draft Drake May at three, not as, any weapons in the first round to trade the pick, and have Drake May, a 21-year-old with high

upside, but who was erratic at North Carolina, put him behind that offensive line with those weapons, guess what? I think that they'd done that. They'd be drafting number one next year, and they'd be sending it to New England like Carolina just did. Like the fact that the Giants now have next year's number one this year, you know, maybe Drew Locke plays, maybe, you know, Jones plays, but at least he has a weapon, and then next year you try to go find your quarterback. That, I think New England turning that trade down was a mistake they'll regret. I think that you could have gone to six, gotten Giants number one next year, and at six, we know Minnesota is willing to give you 11 and 23, so you could have had 11 and 23 to add

players, your first rounder and the Giants first rounder next year, start Jacob. Kobe for his season, and then that's what I would have done if I were New England. But New England's GM was auditioning for his job. He doesn't even have it yet. And the owner said, I want a quarterback. So I guess he's going to draft a quarterback. I had an executive in the league said, if you're the Giants, you are rooting for Bryce Young and Will Levis. Because then the only other team that's guaranteed to take a quarterback is the Raiders. So somebody said, he said to me, you are rooting for Will Levis to hit and Bryce Young to hit if you're the Giants. because then it's like us and the Raiders need quarterbacks, and there'll be two good prospects.

You know, Shadour Sanders, the kid, Cam Ward at Miami, who's pretty interesting. There's a kid, Notre Dame got a transfer who's pretty interesting. No, and I, the Quinn Ure's, people like him, and then there's one more that we're forgetting. That's the guy who's most likely to go number one. I talked to on on the show today, so I see if I can remember it. But I was just about to look like, hold on a second, who are the teams that could Yeah, Raiders, Titans, Giants. Oh, Carson Beck is the other one, the kid from Georgia.

I don't think he's a top five pick. I think he's Georgia good. I think you're probably right. But if you look at, I was going to look through the NFL, like teams that, you know, Buffalo, no, Miami, no, the jets are a maybe. If Aaron gets hurt. If Aaron gets hurt, you know what I mean? The jets are a maybe. New England?

No. Baltimore. Cleveland is a maybe. I don't know. I mean, they're in, I mean, that's a rough spot, man. But Pittsburgh, and Pittsburgh's a maybe. So there's a bunch of maybes, but there's not a lot of definance to your point. Like the, and because everybody, when six quarterbacks going round one, everybody thinks they have a quarterback.

You know what I mean? Like there's just, you mentioned, go ahead, sorry. And they'll at least give those quarterbacks till Thanksgiving of the second year. And so this executive said, the bottom. mind if you're the Giants. He said, I don't think Will Levis is going to work. He said, I think Bryce will. He liked Bryce. He said, listen, Bryce is talented. He's not as big as you'd like, but they got him weapons. They got him a really good wide receiver. He's like, Bryce will move the chains. They'll stick with him. But he said, the Giants and the Raiders, that's it, that you're absolutely,

and neither one's going to be any good. He said, so those are, those are your top two potential picks. Yeah. And for one of those teams, Tom Brady, you probably play for him. So they don't won't need. Why not? I mean, he wants to play football so badly. Like, I get it. I mean, I don't blame him. Did you see LeBron's quote? LeBron had a quote after the game that I thought was so fascinating. It was also almost a little sad. And it made me think of Brady to a degree, where LeBron said, I think, to Dave McMinneman, along the lines of, I'm never going to be bad. But at some point, I'm going to have to stop. and he basically said, like, you know, I'm not chasing anything anymore.

I've accomplished everything I wanted to accomplish. And but at some point, I've got to stop playing. And it was such a unique thing because I watched it. I'm like, yeah, he's never going to be. I mean, never's a long time, obviously. But I think five years from now, LeBron would be good. I do. You know what I mean?

Right now, what is he? At best, the sixth best player in the league and at worst. the 12th best player in the league. He's somewhere in there. He, you know what I mean? He lives, he's better, in my opinion, clearly than Devin Booker. And Devin Booker's an all-N-Ba guy. And he led the NBA in fourth quarter buckets and playoff buckets.

Yeah, I mean, right. And so, and he played 71 games. So it's such a unique spot for LeBron, which is like, most guys get forced out. Most guys, they, you know what I mean? They have their fair, they're averaging five points a game. game. So he's not going to be that. So at some point, he's just going to have to be like, I guess I'm done. I'm stopping. And that's kind of what happened with Tom. Like, I understand the bucks were not good Tom's last year, but the year before he almost won MVP,

he still grew for a million yards. He's better than half the quarterbacks today easily. No question. No question. And he just stopped. And there's, I understand there was family, sub-usuelan with I get it. But I think every time, someone puts a microphone in front of him. He clearly's like, God damn, but I want to play football. I miss playing football. And, you know,

he's going to be with Fox and calling games, and maybe that'll scratch the itch. But it also might make him watch these guys and be like, God, dog, and I'm better than that guy. You know, and so, like, it's a weird spot. We're seeing two guys, LeBron nearing the end and Brady who just ended, who played longer than anybody ever in the history of their

field and at a higher level than anyone ever thought who both, you know, Brady already had to and LeBron's going to have to. We're going to have to oddly make the decision of like, I guess I just should stop because I'm old, but I'm not bad. And it's such a weird thing. Like people are like, oh, John Elway went out on top. John Elway went out winning Super Bowls, but he was not good anymore. Like, you know what I mean?

I'm not disrespecting John, but like that he was. He was a shell of the player that he was. Peyton Manning went out winning a Super Bowl. Was nine touchdown 17 picks that year? Was a shell, even the guys who go out on top are usually not good anymore. So I don't know. You know what I mean? Brady seems to still miss it.

I don't know what LeBron's going to do. I'll tell you, Brady is I can, I'll probably get in trouble saying this. But Brady, his preparation for broadcasting at Fox, dude, he's in the building. He was in the building today. You're not going to get in trouble for saying. He was in the building today. The next three days, he's in the building practicing.

Like Brady is as obsessed about this. People understand. The people are obsessed. Oh, I think he's going to be great. I think he's going to be great because he's competitive. Yes. I think that is, I think the key to so much of this is competitive. Yes.

And I think that there is the, Tom had, and I don't know Tom at all, but he had recently, in the last year, he did an interview, and he was talking about during the game and was basically about how he hated who he was playing against. Like he would build up in anger and like the real, like, froth. Because he's competitive. And now I think he's going to look around and be like,

I need to be better. And it helps that most of the other people in his spot are quarterbacks, too. I need to be better than Troy. I need to be better than Tony. I know Collinsworth's not a quarterback, but I need to, I think he's going to want to be considered the best. And there was always, you remember, God, it feels like a lifetime ago, but during when Deflategate happened and Tom unfairly at his text messages leaked.

and the text message to his, I think it was his dad, maybe it was his friend, about Peyton. And they were talking about back and forth. And Tom said, he's like, yeah, but I'm going to play five more years and Peyton's done. And then it's not even going to be a debate. By the way, he was right about that. That's exactly what happened. But I also think there's like a competitiveness with Peyton, which is Peyton's a broadcaster. You know what I mean?

And everybody, unlike some of the other broadcasters, none of the blooms. Everybody, I think that broadcast is great. People love it. I think he's going to be like, I'm going to crush these guys. Yeah. I'm going to, I really do. So I bet he's going to be awesome. When I was, when I, you know, I tell my kids, you know, they're tired of hearing it, but I always say, you know, there's certain traits in people that are really important.

And it's not where you went to school. One of the things that's really important is resilience. don't be fragile. You're going to have shitty days. You're going to have horrible relationships. Don't be fragile. These people on the internet go sideways and upside down because somebody said something that don't like, you better get over it.

Don't be fragile. You know, be mobile, be willing to move. But the other thing I tell my kids all the time is in life, you will compete against yourself. I will never compete against Elon Musk or probably a ditch digger. I'll compete against people in my sphere. intellectually, emotionally, I'll be competing against me. Right?

Like, I'm not going to, neuroscience, I'm not going to be competing against those people. And probably not against dog walkers, right? Like, I know where I'm competing against. And, and I think, so I think what my point is, if you're competing, it's almost, life's like boxing. There's weight class. In your weight class. That's right.

You're competing essentially in life against yourself. So Wilde made fun of me for this. And maybe I said this to you already on a podcast. If not, I don't care. I'll say it again because I truly feel this way. Which is, I just said kind of flippantly to Wilds once about a different broadcaster. I was like, oh, they're one of my rivals. And he's like, what do you mean?

Like, you have a bad relationship with him? I'm like, no, I've never met him. He's like, you just said they're your rival. I'm like, well, they're on the national scene. and they're about my age. I must be more successful than them. And he was like, you're insane, buddy. I'm like, no.

I was like, everybody has this. And he was adamant. No, no normal people don't. And I'm so glad, because you didn't say it, but I think you did too. It seems like as you were coming up, you knew who the other guys in your, as you put a weight class were.

And I need to beat them is wrong, because you're not rooting for them to fail, but I need to be the valedictorian of the class, so to speak. That's how I've always felt. And so, like, the person, he was like, he said to me, he's like, so name a rival. And I said, really the most ridiculous one

because this person has almost a universal brewer rating. But I said, Mina Kimes. I was like, she's my age. Everyone thinks she's super smart. She talks to, she didn't talk about everything. She's my rival. I was like, I'm sorry. I was like, it just is.

Like, I hope she does well, but I need to do better. I was like, this is like, this is just how my brain works. And so, yes, like, I, like, and again, I'm not speaking for Tom because I don't know him at all. You know him somewhat. I don't know him at all. But I would imagine Tom looks at, brought other broadcasters now as his rivals. Like, I need to be the best, which is why he, the other thing. And I did say this to you, I think.

When Tom was on with you, you asked him about Patrick. And he had, it was an unbelievable answer, which is he was super complimentary. And then he was like, and, you know, anybody who can get to seven Super Bowls, like, you know, I'd tip my cap to him. And it was to me a very intentional kind of setting of the ground rules. Like, oh, yeah, anybody can say he's going to be the goat, no problem at all. But just so we're clear, if he doesn't get to seven Super Bowl, it's not a conversation. Like, I don't want to hear about MVP's and I don't want to hear about yards. I don't, like he was, I think he is competitive in everything.

And it's like, I'm the greatest football player ever. And this whole idea that this guy might be better than me one day, okay, sure, but don't you come to me with his yards and touchdowns and MVP's if he only has five measles, Super Bowls because the barrier to entry is seven. And I just, and I think that's, I respect that. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.

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world for about three to five years. Ben Stiller, Jim Carrey. There was Drew Carey, 20, five years ago, Mike Myers. By the way, he's very charitable to include Ben Stiller on the funniest guy in the world list. He's pretty good. Pretty good. But go ahead. Maybe he's a friend. I don't know who you're having drinks with.

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That's right. Yeah, of course. Hip hop stars similarly. First couple albums can be fantastic. And then the material changes. It's hard. Yeah. Athletes, what's really amazing is athletes are almost the opposite. Mahomes is better since he's been paid. LeBron was better when he was paid. Is that athletes, unlike other, entertainers often feel a guilt or a pressure to elevate their greatness when they're paid. It's very rare when you look at athletes, they get paid. And I'm sure it happens. But it happens not to the great ones. That's the difference between the great ones and everyone else.

Because I think that when you talk about getting paid, but I think that at every step of your athletic journey, there has been a getting paid. but the not actually money moment where you could relax. You know what I mean? The kid who, when he makes varsity as a freshman, takes his foot off the gas, doesn't get the college scholarship. And the kid who, when he goes to college, is a starter early on and takes a foot off the gas, doesn't make the league.

So it almost wheat, you know what I mean? It slowly but surely weeds those people out because it's such a finite number. And there's always a new crop of people coming. for those jobs. Also is that in hip-hop, when you win, you're worshipped by everybody. In comedy, when you're the king of laughs, you are worshipped by everybody. In sports, when you win, most of the league hates you. Hate you.

So in sports, greatness does not equal worship outside of your town. It equals kind of a villain, kind of a target. And that's why music critics tend to be too soft. And, and, you know, movie critics are, you know, they're too in bed with them. Music and movie critics in Hollywood. When's the last really tough reporter that Hollywood had? They don't. So it goes to your head in music.

And it doesn't work that way. But the media in sports kicks the shit out of you. Once you're great, it's like, well, you weren't good last week against Cleveland. And there's a healthy, there's a healthy accountability that doesn't exist in comedy, movies, music, this accountability, standings, criticism that I think actually it's like being tough on your kids. It builds character. So I think you might have just solved might not be the right word. But you just said something that really crystallized something for me. Okay.

We might have just like, I feel like this is a real thing that just happened. Because you're talking about the interms between athletes and artists. Yeah. And I'm not taking, I'm really not trying to be unfair or take a shot. But there are two specific NBA players that I think as great as they are have markedly, underachieved their talent and ability, even though they are one of them's, one of the 20 greatest players ever, and one of them is one of the 10 most skilled players ever. And I think both of them view themselves more artist than athlete. And those two guys are Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irvin.

And I think a lot of what has worked against them and a lot of what they have pushed against is that they are covered like their athletes and not like their artists. That it is a lot of criticism and a lot of why did you do this and a lot of but you didn't do that and comparative stuff that athletes are used to. But they're like, we're fucking artists, man. I am out here painting a picture and you're asking me these questions like just appreciate the art. Meanwhile, other folks who look at themselves as, I don't want to say hired guns, but we are in competition and we are here to win and to get, you know, to do what we

have to do, haven't been as bothered by the media criticism. But it does, Katie and Kyrie, who, again, Kyrie, to his credit, has been unbelievable this year. And KD. post-Aquillies is the best Achilles recovery in sports history. So I'm not trying to be unfair. It really is. I'm not trying to be unfair and I'm not trying to take a shot. But they really seem to both struggle with the way they are covered by the media. And what you just described about how artists, musicians, or actors, or who are,

comedians are covered by the media is different than how we do actors. We don't do when a movie six, when there is a huge movie release weekend, when Barbie and Oppenheimer come out, the same weekend, there were no articles written like, well, fucking Oppenheimer,

how'd you not win that? People are just like, this was awesome. This was even more awesome. These are both great. And so that I do, I think there is something there, and maybe I didn't describe it exactly right, but about the difference between how athletes and artists are discussed and whether or not you consider yourself an athlete or an artist and how you want to then be discussed and how you feel you should be discussed. I also think basketball more than any sport, and soccer has some of this as well.

I've always compared basketball to international soccer. Messi is an artist. Rinaldo is an artist. Kevin Durant's an artist. Tom Brady is a football player. Right. Like Mike Trout's a baseball player. That's different. But basketball. I don't think LeBron's an artist. No. No, he's more compartmentalized and strategic. Artists aren't. They kind of hear, I mean, very much LeBron's a stacker, compartmentalize, work on this part of the game, solve this part. Kevin Durant's not looking to solve parts of their game. They're looking to paint their most beautiful picture. Kyrie had it the other night with that layup over three clippers. Yes. Yes, exactly right. Like that kind, even though they, that kind of was, and there is something beautiful about this and honorable about it where it's like that

Tyree has worked for he's 32. So call it 25 years on every little bit of his ability in order to pull off that one moment. I know he's obviously done way more than that, but I'm saying, like that was of physics and basketball impossibility. It was incredible. It was his Mona Lisa. It was his. Yes, exactly right. It was and it was like, oh, you are probably literally the only human being who's ever lived who could do that.

Like I believe that. I really believe that. Yeah. And I think there's for Kyrie, he's like, and God damn it, you guys still credit. Like, do you not? see it? Like, do you not understand? But because it's sports. We're like, yeah, but you lost and you haven't been in the finals in eight years because it's sports. And so yeah, I do think there is, I want to think about this more because you said it in real time. But I do think there is

something really to that. And I think there is, I'm going to start like looking at, because you know, another guy who I think was. as much as you can be in football, closer to artists than athlete, is my pal O'Dell. I think there was a lot of like, look at this show I am putting on. Of course.

Look at what I can do that I have worked on and honed and the beauty of it. Yeah. And then, but he's also a guy who never felt he was given a fair shake by the media.

You know what I mean? Who never felt it was that, that it was that he was covered fairly. Yeah, I think, and I think about that a lot with basketball. It is, it's a canvas. There are players, you know, Michael had some kind of a almost mechanical mid-range. Michael scored most of his points on two to three moves. Kobe was more artist.

He had a side of the key he liked. But Michael, now Michael and Kobe both. Michael would do these flips over his head or the switch hands. But Michael really scored. Michael really, his game was not. Mechanical is the wrong word. Strategic. It was really strategic.

It was really efficient. It was really remarkable. And Michael would just go back to what he did over and over. By the way, I would compare Michael to Mahomes. There is absolute artistry. But Mahomes is better today than four years ago. For the same reason, Michael was better, his second three Pete, than his first. first is that he took the layups and he he had great discretion on use of energy. Like Michael

knew, hold it off. He really actually, it's almost like a kid. When kids are eight, you just, they have a biting stage. They have a punch the sister stage. It's all inappropriate, but they have so much energy they can't control themselves. Michael came into the league. He could have scored 60 a night. And he wanted to, I always call it, you have the show off stage, the title stage and the mogul stage. And you can't stop here. LeBron used to chase people down on Tuesday games in Denver and block a ball off the backboard. It meant nothing.

It was the show off stage. Look at my gifts. But Michaels and Mahomes now take the layups. They conserve energy. Like Patrick could run all the time. It's always interesting. He runs on third and one or fourth and one in the fourth quarter. He can do that all game.

So that is, and I know we're going long. So we can wrap the, but I do wonder of all the things that people could learn from Mahomes, I don't know why more quarterbacks haven't copied his situational running. You might not be able to, listen, the kid played baseball. His dad was a baseball player of the arm. or, you know, there's only probably five quarterbacks in the league, if that, who can throw it as far as him. He has a, I don't remember the word for it. It's like something, it's not photographic.

It's like didactic, I think, memory as far as like his ability. There's certain things. But what is copyable is the understanding of the riskiest thing I can possibly do is run. it is also wildly effective and I am going to recognize that both of those things are true and so I am basically never going to do it on first or second down and I am not even going to do it on third down if it's early in the game in the regular season but that then also means teams are slightly less prepared for it when I do it and I am more 100% or even two years ago when he had the bad ankle,

I have a couple bursts in me to make sure I get where I need to get to. And it just seems like, because I think Mahomes is a good athlete. Obviously he's a good athlete, but I'm saying I think he is a better athlete than people think because he's never caught, man. he when is the last time Mahomes chose to run in a big spot and didn't get where he was trying to get to? And so now if he ran all the time, it would happen all the time. And maybe Josh Allen's a unique case because he's bigger than everybody so he can deal with it. But I just think more of those guys.

I also think that, you know, I was skeptical of Jaden Daniels because he's 190 pounds, 195 pounds. I also think there is something, too, that picture of Mahomes with his shirt off, where it's like, oh, that's actually what your quarterback should look like. I have a little extra, you know, like the, and I understand Brady in his later years looked more chiseled. Oh, he's much more chiseled now than he was as a player. Correct. Exactly right. It's like, no, I'm going to have muscle underneath a layer of protection almost. You know what I mean?

And I think that is, I think that's smart. Like I think that- He said, like Brock Hewords, a friend of mine. Brock couldn't put on weight. And he's like, skinny quarterbacks. Like Matt Ryan tried to put on weight. You know who had it too? Was Peyton.

Yeah. Peyton, you know what I mean? If you ever seen Peyton in person, Peyton's, you realize how big these damn quarterbacks are. But Peyton, when he was playing, wasn't like, you know, like bodybuilders. type. He had a layer of protection. And so. Yeah. And also what matters to you, I said this. I called an NFL head coach on Will Levis's combine when he was wearing a shirtless ripped. It was very Brady Quinn. And I said, I'm out on him. And he goes, this is an NFL head coach, successful coach. He said, Colin, it was the talk of a road trip, me and the GM went on recently. That was the talk of the...

He cares deeply about his girlfriend was beautiful. He's a good-looking guy, big man on campus in Kentucky, a basketball school. He's the football star. Will Levis's, I'm going to show you my build. Literally, a successful GM and coach said they went on a drive, and it was the topic of conversation. Like, he's got the wrong priorities. On that note, and we can, you know, leave it at this. I am shocked.

So I don't know if you saw this reporting, but Spencer Rattler, evidently, was on a Netflix doc six years ago when he was in high school. Did you see any of this, Colin? No. Okay. So there was a LeBron's company produced a Netflix documentary called QB1. Yeah. And it was basically they followed around. I didn't see it.

Some top high school quarterback prospects on their journey. You know what I mean? like what's it like to be one of the top prospects in America is a 16 year old. 16. And evidently Spencer Rattler was a real dick as a kid. Was mean to his backup quarterback, was a bit of a bully, was kind of like your stereotypical, mean popular jock. And Ian Rappaport reported that multiple teams brought it up to him before the draft.

Yeah. Like, yeah, we just, we, and it's like, dude, this guy was literally 16. years old. Like, I don't know, man. Like, please don't use against me at a job interview, how I treated people. Like, come on. And so here's why I bring that up. I don't even care about Spencer Rattler in that regard. I am shocked no one has talked about what Shador Sanders, and, to be fair, Dion, have been doing these last couple days just punching down

at guys that left the school. And if you're Dion, and I have massive respect for Dion, in general. But if you're Dion, it's like, man, this guy was one of your players. And you're like, where your stats at? Like, you are one of the most famous athlete coaches in America. And this is a 20-year-old. Like, that doesn't seem right.

But then Shador, like, buddy, people are talking about you. He was the number one pick of the draft. And you're on Twitter just shit-talking guys. Like, I can't imagine that's not going to be a problem in a year. Oh, I just can't. It's already being discussed. It's absolutely being discussed in the league. It's not a good look at all.

That's what I think. I think like, listen, any position other than quarterback, I don't think people would care. Same. Travis Hunter, who's going to be a top 10 pick on Colorado. I almost like it from an edge rusher. I want you to be obnoxious. I mean, there's certainly a corner. Like there are a certain spot, you know what I mean?

Like Travis Hunter, you can play corner or wide receiver. It's like, oh, okay, the guy's a little out of his mind. You know what I mean? maybe, you know, talks in the third person, great. Love it. I've actually seen that archetype go to the Hall of Fame. Fair or not. And again, I'm not even saying it's right.

What I am saying is if Spencer Rattler can fall a full round, as Rappaport was talking about, because of how he acted as a junior in high school, then what are these same teams going to be saying about someone who knows there are. a potential top 10 pick in 12 months. It just seems wild. Nick, it's a glaring lack of self-awareness. It's really bad. It's being discussed. And I think it's the difference between going one and 15. That's what I mean. So that's what I'm talking about. And I want to be very clear here because I'm not trying to be the old man yellow in the cloud.

I'm not even arguing that it is one should. care about this at all. I'm saying all of NFL history tells me a lot of teams do. A lot of teams 100% do care about this and it just seems risky. And the difference by the way, between going one and going 15, it's not just, I don't even care about the dollar amount of the first contract, but it does have a lot to do with how if you're not good early, how. How, if you're not good early, How much margin of error do you get to hell of a lot easier to move off from Kenny Pickett at 15 or Mac Jones at 15 than it is from a number one pick? You know what I mean? Somebody.

And so I just find that a little odd. Yeah. It hasn't made the show because the NBA playoffs have been so good and the NFL so big. But it's it is something I've noticed and thought, don't do that. You know, it's funny. It hadn't made our show either. but today I mentioned it during commercial break. I'm like, and this is going to sound silly.

I was like, I think what I said was, I think we're two tweets away from this being a talk. Two more tweets, and I think it's enough for us to put it in the show. Yeah, I do. Nick Wright, as always, money. Thanks, buddy. Absolutely, great time. Talk to you later.

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