The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast - Nick Wright Part 2: Colin’s Big Move??? The One Piece Of Advice Colin Would Give, Most Americans Want The Same Things,

Episode Date: April 10, 2024

Colin is joined by Nick Wright, host of “First Things First” on FS1! Colin explains why he doesn’t find most “advice” to be useful but he and Nick each give out one piece of advice that they think can help people that are trying to achieve their dream (3:00) They weigh in on our divided political climate and that despite the loudest, most extreme voices being amplified… most Americans all want the same things (12:15) Finally, Colin talks about his future plans, why he loves the freedom provided by podcasting, and why a big move may be in his near future (24:00) (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates! #Volume #Herd See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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slash Colin or pound law pound 529 from your cell. Morgan and Morgan has a proven track record of fighting for you to get a full and fair compensation if there's an unexpected accident in your life. This is a paid advertisement. Welcome into part two of the podcast with Nick Wright. So I get asked this a lot by parents or young people. Can you give me advice? And I don't think advice is helpful because we all live very separate different lives. Your career and your path is completely different than mine. Mine's completely different than Bob Costas. Yours is completely different than Bob Costas, Al Michaels and Ion Eagle, is that this is not a doctor or an architect or a school. teacher. There is no path to being a great comedian. Be funnier. You'll find you're on stage and more successful. Sing better will ultimately help you. With YouTube and these platforms, just be better is the answer. So I talked to a young guy today and I said, I didn't have Twitter. I didn't have YouTube. That's better than a resume. Go show your talent. And I was I was saying this when it's like

weight loss. Eat less. Move more. You'll lose weight. It's not scientific. just Google it. And I was saying is one of the things I tell young people when I speak to them is the only piece of advice I ever got. I'll give you an opinion. If you ask me for an opinion on something, I'll give you one. That's different. I don't give advice. And I said the only time I've read a sentence and that I've shared it with people because it rings true to me is when I was a kid, I went to a Mariners game upstairs in the booth and Dave Nehouse, a pretty well-known, established iconic Seattle figure, wrote in my magazine, the program. The program.

Yeah. If you want it bad enough, you'll sit here. And I thought, it's like the Vegas dealer. Yep, that's it. The advice to all kids, do you want to be me? Because I wanted it so bad, I'd step on people to get it. Well, and I was, so I, and I wanted it, I literally did want to be you. I've told you this story.

I called, and I've maybe told the story on the air before. I was 24 years old, literally, literally, this is, and I'm 39, right? So I'm 24. So this is 15 years ago. This is not 1986, right? This is 2009. In 2009, I signed my first contract. Uh, no, that's wrong.

2010, I signed my first contract. I was making $8 an hour, and then my contract was to do middays in Kansas City. There's not a bullshit job. It's not the greatest job. Right. But Kansas is a two sports city. Yeah. You know what I mean?

It's a big, for sports radio, it's a good market. Great market. Signed a contract to do middays in Kansas City for $23,800. Full time. No benefits, but full time. This was, I think, like when that was allowed. And I was thrilled. It was around the same time that I started dating my now wife.

Like I was thrilled. Like I am rolling, making 24 grand. And at that time, I called an agent and said, my pitch was this. I'm sure you wish Colin Cowherd was your client. He's not. And it doesn't appear he's ever going to be. If you would like to represent the next Colin Cowherd, you'll take me on. That's what I did.

And this guy started representing me. Shout out credit to him, Josh Santry, started representing me when I was in Kansas City making 24 grand. And you know what I mean? Helped me grow and evolve. And then eventually your agent, Nick Con, hired him. And I like that. So like we grew together.

Yeah. And the what I, so, but the, I got a little distracted there because that's, to me a cool story. But the answer is you have to be obsessed with it. And this is what I tell my daughter, who's a theater major. I'm like, hey,

any job, there's a few jobs that are the types of jobs that win little kids get asked in class what they want to be. If your job that you want is on that list,

you better be goddamn obsessed with it as an adult or else you got no shot. No shot. If it is the type of job that people stop you on the street and are like, oh my God, that's a dream job. The only reason that everyone doesn't do it is because people don't want to make 24 grand at 25 years. That's right. You know what I mean? And I don't want to act like every. And listen, I've been very lucky.

There is obviously some natural talent associated with success, whatever. it is, but the number, I'm not denying any of that. But that, but what for a lot of people, it stops being worth it. And I don't, like, it's just, it's like, man, this is a grind. There's not, with the, you work weekends, you work holidays, you don't make money, and it's just not worth it anymore. And so it has to be something you have to do. It's have any chance of succeeding in it. And then once it's that, then it is, you know, I don't, I don't, I don't, you, you, You've always been very complimentary of my talent, but I don't actually think I am a talented broadcaster.

I think I have a very specific talent, which is I'm a great arguer. I'm great logically and I'm great with, you know, figuring out debating argument points. But I, when I applied to Syracuse, when I was doing the tour, I met with the dean, and the dean said great resume, great, you know, SATs, all this stuff. You're the exact type of kid we want to have here just so you know. You'll never be a radio personality. You have too nasly of a voice. It won't work.

At Syracuse, I got cut from the student radio station because I couldn't figure it out. Like, I, it wasn't like some, you know, I look at Noah Eagle. And obviously, Noah Eagle, I get his dad's eye and Eagle, but the kid is talented. Yeah. Kids got great voice, got a great presence. I'm like, oh, he's got real broadcasting talent. I was just wildly obsessed with it. Wildly obsessed with it was like,

I am going to force my way through it, which is really how you get from, I went from $24,000 a year in Kansas City to the TV show on FS1 in seven years, from when I signed that contract in Kansas City to when the TV show launched in New York City that was seven years. And it was, yes, a ton of good fortune and good luck and good timing.

But it was just I was wildly obsessed with it, which is the number one thing you've got to be. Yeah, and that's the best advice is that when people, when parents come up and I, you know, anything that you don't want to give them cliches, work hard, read everything, you know, be detail-oriented. and then you kind of appease the parents, you know, placate the parents. But it really is. Jake Lasers talked about this before. The people that are great in the NFL, they're crazy. They're obsessed.

Crazy. Right. That's exactly right. And again, because that's a dream job. That's a dream job. Like there is no and that's, you know, I worry, I do worry about my 18 year old daughter because what she wants to. to do is about as hard of a field as there is.

She wants to be an actress. And it's like, okay, even the successful ones, like, struggle for a long time and all of these things. But who am I to say, don't follow your dreams, follow your dreams. But it's like, there's, if you are in the dream chasing business, you got to chase it. Like, that's the, that I, like, listen, I will support dream chasing. As long as you're fucking chasing. I won't support daydreaming.

Like, oh, I want to be this. I wonder how it's going to happen. I got to see that you are, that you want it. And the other thing, if there's young people listening that I tell him that is different now than, you know, previous eras is you do. What is, I think, good advice, because I do give this advice, is just do it. You want to be a talk show host and you don't have a talk show. Just pretend. The way you pretended in your bedroom.

now anyone can pretend on YouTube and make the channel private if you want. Like, I was like, it's not about getting the number of subscribers or viewers. It's about the reps. It's about when I first started, I thought I was going to be the funny guy on the radio. And then I was like, nope, that's not the lane. I need to be ardent prick. That's the lane for me. And it'll work.

And so, like, the only way to do it is to do it, to actually get the reps in. And so, yeah, that's the advice I give. And then make sure you do a little check. every six months be like, do I still love this? Do I still want to do this? That's good advice. Okay, here's something else I'm going to throw at you. I've gotten in discussions with friends about this is that I don't have a single wacko friend. I don't know anybody that's an election denier. There's a distortion bubble out there that the craziest people get amplified on your Facebook's algorithms on social platforms. That there's not as many wackos as you think, even the

people that like Trump don't like a lot about him. They just hate the other side more. So there's a new poll by Associated Press and the Nork Center for Public Affairs and Research. And what they found is striking similarities how Americans think. Almost a 90% agreement on rights to vote, equal protection under the law, right to freedom of religion, freedom of speech, right to privacy. almost 80% think the right to own a gun is very important to protect. And what they found over and over and over, there are very few fringe people. The media tends to give them oxygen. The algorithms completely feed them on social networks is that there's a complete distortion about what is acceptable, what is not.

almost all people want less crime. How to solve it may be different, but we mostly want the same things. And this goes back to conversations I've had with people. I'm like, I can't live on an island. I hang out in cities like Chicago. Tonight I go to a Warriors Lakers game in Los Angeles. I don't think I'm politically dissimilar to most of them. We're all kind of looking for the same thing.

So, and I think one of the jobs, this is where I think big tech can be. incredibly harmful. But I do think the media, especially the political media, does a really bad job at one thing, giving oxygen to the fringes. And one of the things I've really worked on, like I've really gotten off social media, I don't associate with wackos on the internet because successful, smart people, happy people, are not on the internet all day. So you're talking with lonely losers. Your thoughts on this study. Well, I wish I were, quite as optimistic as you because I think the study, while I don't doubt the veracity of it, leaves out a few maybe, and I haven't read it. I'm listening to you important details, which is,

so 90% of the country, you know what I mean, might not be election deniers and fringe and extreme, but a guy who's got about a 58 to 60% chance of running the country is. And so that seems problematic. So it can be like, you know, we agree. on the January 6th was bad and that all these things. 90% of us agree, but it's somehow on the way of agreement to the polls, we're like, but the biggest voice who doesn't agree clearly is now in charge of everything, that seems a little scary. And when you say big tech amplifies it, I don't think it's accidental.

And I do wonder when some of the richest, most powerful, people in the world seem to have authoritarian leanings. Like, why is that? And, you know, who benefits from that? And how much do they benefit from that? And then there is this factor, which is, let's say, it's not even 10% of the country that's just fucking nuts. Let's go lower. Let's go 5%. Well, I'm pretty good at math. We got 350 million Americans, 5%. That's still 17 to 18 million people you got to corral and deal with in some capacity. We're not a small, it's not a party, but there's like 25 people there, and it's like, okay, a couple of them are nuts. So I am, I am, I do agree with this.

What I find fascinating is, and what maybe the poll was getting at, is the idea that you ask someone what their, if you don't ask someone what their political leanings are and you say, how do you feel about this topic? How do you feel about this topic? How do you feel about this topic? You will find a ton of common ground, a ton of common ground on the most hot button issues, on guns, on immigration, on abortion, a ton of common ground. And I'm sure that's what this study is showing.

But that doesn't seem represented. common ground in a lot of the levers of power in this country. And that to me is concerning. And it does seem like the divisions are being further exacerbated over the last 10 years. Yeah. I mean, I think cable news feeds into tribalism. I don't think in most instances, the crazy people have any power. I think I, I mean, it's there's a division of people. And, you know, I don't think Trump's going to win. I don't think it's going to be particularly close. I really don't. I think he doesn't get independence. I think he doesn't give women, you know, women are either going to have the same rights with their body as I am or you're not going to win. Your party is going to really struggle. He's lost elections. People connected to them are losing elections. I think the news over the next six months is Democrats are raising almost 75 percent more money is bad news for that side. Regardless, of what I think, I don't view, I think it will be. Well, if that's true, then I, then we could, if that is true, then we could have maybe a

reorientation. Yeah. Because, and I think it could be, because let's just assume you're, that's correct. I, you know, I, the, I don't know that I am as pessimistic about Trump's chances as you seem to be. But let's assume that's correct. If that is correct, then I think what, and I wish I had a better grasp on the specific details of when we have seen this happen over the 240-year history of American history, but you've seen it happen at least three times where a political party itself bifurcates, where what you have is a party split.

And because of that, that party goes through a time of reorientation. and is out of power for a bit. And I'm not saying that that necessarily... That's the GOP, in my opinion. That's what I... Well, so that's what I would wonder if it would happen. Yeah. What I wonder, if Trump were to lose this,

I do wonder if, because he's not ever going to admit he lost anything. Right, of course. He's not ever going to quit. So then does he, does there become almost like the Whig party, like a third party that is just call it the Trumpers? Yeah.

And it peels off the, the craziest portion of the what is now called the Republican Party. And then what is left of the Republican Party can reorient. And the way it remakes itself is by peeling off maybe, you know, disillusioned center left Democrats. Yes. It's like, hey, you know what I mean? Not to bring, this kind of cliche, but where Mitt Romney-esque people are like,

hey, this is what the party is again. Because I think a party like that, I'm not trying to betray your politics, but I think you would listen to that Republican Party. And I bet you have in your life. Yeah. I think it is probably hard for you and your friends to even listen to a Republican party that is led by Trump. It's like I, this is just nuts. But you would listen. And so I wonder if that would happen if he loses.

If he wins, then it's a different story entirely obviously. Yeah. I'm going to the UFC fight Saturday with Anne and a couple of buddies is I keep thinking. You'll see him there. You're going to give them here? Say hi. I don't know. Not that I don't have passion about politics, but I don't, I have strong feelings about it.

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in the middle of the show and got better seats. Hold on. Wait a minute. Hold on. What do you mean J. Matt got you seats? Well, I said I wanted to go to the game. And J. Matt goes, I have seats. And I said, where are they? I don't want to sit up with the pigeons. Where are they? And he said, well, they're pretty good seats. And then he showed me. And they're like 17 rows up. And I'm like, okay. And I talked about it on the air. And three minutes later, somebody called and said, I'm like, I'm 10 rows behind the Laker bench.

And I said, oh, you're going with them. And then I was going to call Draymond Green here at the volume and see if I could get better seats. but I thought, I'm going to wait for a playoff game. I don't want to bother Draymond Green. So, you know, that's good. That's going to be a good game. Hey, that's going to be a good game. Go ahead. So I, this is, I'm going to UFC Saturday night.

So this is the time of the year after the football season. I start going to stuff. And so, can I throw this at you? So my wife does not like Los Angeles. And this has been going on. You know, I was going to, I was going to ask about that because she seems to spend a lot of time not in Los Angeles. Yeah, yeah. So I don't need to get into too many deals.

details, but I have a place in Chicago and am searching in Chicago for different things. And so I'm going to buy some season tickets to the Bulls and Blackhawks. It's a suite, like four people. You can bring friends. You're in Chicago. I can bring you. And, you know, you can get food, bar, all that stuff. Like second level stuff. I like sitting on the floor more. But if I'm going with my wife and she's all dolled up and, you know, you want dinner, blah, blah, blah. Sure. For the NBA, I think I'd prefer lower level as close to the court as possible. Hockey, I think the suite could be better unless you're right on the glass. This seems like I'm sure it's a good setup. And I heard you mentioned this to Parkins last week. So I was going to ask you about it. So go ahead. You're going to get the setup in Chicago. So I'm going to get the setup in Chicago. And I've got to be honest with you is because sometimes what we do, and I do mornings, it's really hard. in Los Angeles because I have to get up at like 5.30 in the morning. So I don't want to be getting in my car at 928 in Los Angeles, a 40-minute drive home, get to bet you're all amped up.

And so in Chicago, if I move my show to Chicago, think about this. Show starts at 11. I get up at 8. Well, yeah, you're doing middays then, but you're doing middays with the mornings. Yeah. So I'm thinking about quality of life. Are you breaking news here? Are you sure you want to include this on the podcast? This is going to be aggregated. This is going to be the, I mean, go ahead, Jurch. Well, I'm thinking quality of life now because this is a big deal. This is, I'm not going to get into negotiations.

I have 10 months left or whatever, both my, at all my contracts. And one of the things I've thought about is, quality of life. My wife doesn't love Los Angeles. We have friends here, but it's a three-hour flight. I don't, you know, I'm on a plane every weekend. I don't give a rip. Delta's been good to me. So I've been thinking about this and I, well, what do you think about this?

I'd still be in Los Angeles, you know, for stuff. But what if I did my show in Chicago? My wife loves it. I love the city. I love where we live. I'm 12 minutes to the Bulls games. I could literally have a life at night. I want to go to games.

I want to go to concerts. I've given that up in my life. My whole life I'm like 11 o'clock news guy and then morning radio guy. Enough already. I want to go to games at night. All right. So listen, I am, and I know, I mean, this is going to obviously be, this is real news. It's going to be aggregated.

I don't really feel totally comfortable, but that's fine. Here's what I would say. You're Colin Coward and you just turned 60. You kind of do whatever you want. Like that you're in a spot where you are able to be like, hey, this is these are the parameters under which I you know that this makes sense for me no hard feelings yeah in any direction

like that's that is what you know I the again I don't want to I'm going to bring up someone who I have massive respect for and has been incredibly kind to me even though we've never actually met in person I don't know what all went into SVP getting the studio in the DC area. But I'm sure it was something along lines of I'm SVP and this is what I want. You know what I mean? And it makes sense. I'm a I'm a performer. You know what I mean?

I produced for you. This makes my life better. So let's find a way to make it work. For the record. Yeah, go ahead. Sean Hannity doing a show from Naples. Half the time guys are doing it from Long Island. Tucker Carlson was in Maine. For the record, Fox has been great. I heart radio a bit. They don't have a problem with it. But I like LA and I'd still be here for a lot of, you know, during the football season especially, especially in January, February and find myself here, of course. Yeah, the fall there. But I got, the second, the biggest winner of this if it were to happen is Anne, your wife. The second biggest winner, I think, is new friend of the

podcast, Danny Parkins. You know what I mean? Like, you're down the street. I mean, a J-Mac hot seat coming up. Like, that's a. I mean, that's a real. I mean, he's right there. But that would be, I mean, listen, I think that's, I think that's fascinating. I obviously, I heard you talk about getting season tickets, and that kind of struck me. I was like, but you live in L.A. But I also know just from knowing you personally and talking to you that your, I mean,

your wife seemed to spend a lot of time in Utah and Chicago. Yeah. So, you know what I mean? Unless she had a warrant in California, it didn't make a ton of stuff. sense. Well, you get to a point where, and this is one of the reasons I created this company, is if things didn't work out, if like I couldn't come to an agreement, the next day, I'm fine. You know, Tucker Carlson leaves, he doesn't have a company. I can talk for hours about any subject I want to. And so, you know, this is something I've thought a lot about. I've talked a lot about

is I'm 60 years old. I've done really well for myself. I've been smart with my money. I have given up for years. I did the 11 o'clock news. And you know, you give up a lot. And then all of a sudden it's like now I do morning stuff. I would like to go to more games.

Like I had to take a big nap this afternoon because I'm going to the Warriors Lakers. I'll have to take a sleeping pill to zonk myself out tonight. And I found when I go to Chicago, Ann and I have a blast. We're going out every single night. doing fun stuff. And so the, well, I mean, the other element is, and this is where, you know, shout out to

Skip who's done this schedule for forever. Yeah. The super early mornings. But I, you know, I did the super, super early mornings in New York for up until 18 months ago. And before that, I did morning radio in Houston. and the, it's, yes, waking up sucks. Like everybody knows waking up sucks, whatever, but so what? That's not really the problem.

The problem is what you're alluding to, which is the lack of thing, the stuff you can't do at night that you want to be able to do. You know what I mean? The, the friends dinners, you know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know, are going late and people are drinking wine and you're like, I don't, you know, I can't make that. or I can't make that happen. And certainly the NBA games. The NBA, like, it's, it, when I was doing mornings, people would ask me all the time,

like, how are you able to watch the games? And I'm like, well, watching the games is not that hard because I'm laying in bed. Yeah. Like, you know what I mean? I'm laying in bed watching the game. And the moment it's over, I can be asleep within 30 seconds. You know what I mean? If it's a late night West Coast Lakers game and I'm in New York when I'm doing mornings

and I got to be up at 4 a.m. or back then I had to be up at 3.30. I can just fall asleep, get three hours of sleep, and then take a nap at the time. But what you can't do is go. What you can't do is go to anything late because then it's another all of it. So yeah, I get that.

I mean, that'd be, I mean, that's unbelievable. And, like, the NBA this time of year, it is so excited. Oh, it's great. And being there is great. And being the, I know that, you know, your Anne likes live music and events and things like that. We went to, by the way, I'll send you the clip pretty cool.

So we went to meme, my wife, and my older daughter went to see Drake and Lil Wayne at the Prudential Center in Newark Friday night. And Lil Wayne through FS1 and I had become very good friends. And when he took the stage, when he took the stage, the first words out of his mouth were shout out to Nick Wright and his family. Thanks for being here. And that's the greatest rapper, arguably, to ever. live, shouting at my daughter almost passed out, and then after the concert got to see him. But that type of thing, if I was doing mornings, if it wasn't on a Friday night, I just couldn't have gone. You know what I mean? We were back home. It wasn't even that late of a night.

Like, we were back home at midnight, but I couldn't have done that when I was doing mornings unless it happened to me on a Friday or Saturday. So I understand that entirely. Yeah, I think it's, and for the record, I love L.A. I've got my friends here. It's not like I'd have abandoned. Like, you know, I know that I really like someone. things. I got my daughter lives here, my stepson's. There's a lot here I like. But it is when you get older and you establish things. Podcasting, Nick, to me, has been, I'm not a podcaster. I'm a broadcaster who can do a podcast, but I don't consider myself a podcaster. But I will say one of the great things about the volume is I don't need marketing dollars. I don't need real estate. It's like I

can do wherever I want. I'm in a tiny little room right now in my house. I don't watch other podcasters, but outside of a Joe Rogan, most people don't have a studio. They're in their house. Nobody cares. This is an audio business. And so the, you know, like, I don't know where, like, I don't know where, uh, where, I mean, I don't know for certain where Shannon does the nightcap. Yeah. But I would bet anything he has built out, you know, he has used a room in his house for a studio. Yeah. And he walks down the hall and does that. You know what I mean? And then he's, and it looks great. It looks professional. It looks awesome. But it doesn't have to. go somewhere to do it, which is, I mean, I don't know if people are going to tell now, I'm in my office,

hence the penance on the back. Yeah, no, Shannon walks right down in his place to do that. And, you know, that's one of the things that when Shannon left FS1 and came over, I said, listen, this is going to be an easier life. It'll be a really fun life, is that I'm not really a helicopter boss. Go entertain America. I'll find you staff help elevate the show. And, you know, he did a great job.

He was a big fan of Ocho and Gilbert Arenas. They've been great with him. But, and he had real connections there. And he had good instincts, very good broadcasting instincts. But I think that is one of the things that I've thought about continually is that this is, there are certain cultures that change as you age in all industries. And, you know, like, I'm a big believer in the four-day work week. I'm a big believer in Barry Diller, one of the smartest guys in the history of media,

is a big believer in, we are moving to four days a week and Friday as flexible that you don't really have to come in on Fridays. You can Zoom that people, you know, people now are going to, if you don't offer that, they're going to move to companies that do. And young people have so much mobility now. And like, I'll give you an example in Los Angeles, it's virtually impossible for talented young people, both making 80, 90, 100 a year to buy a house and not have to drive an hour and a half to work. Well, what if those at the volume, I've allowed people to go live in Charlotte,

go live in Chicago. My CEO lives in Della or New Hampshire. So the reality is the quality of people that I've accumulated at the volume, because they're allowed to live anywhere, I mean, I could go to any company and poach people and say four days a week during the football season, Sunday and Monday are actually huge. Saturday's kind of big. Thursday, Friday, aren't. You make your schedule. You just got to work Sunday. And it's remarkable the quality of people you can find. Like, our staff is full of, like, incredibly talented people. Well, and that is something, I don't know enough about corporate America, because I've never had, like, a real job to know how this is going to, you know, play out over the next 15, 20 years. but there is the being able to draw from as wide of a field as possible because it's not you're not only drawing from your geographical region where people can you know within a 60 minute drive

to your office space you would have to think that the most flexible as far as it the wider net you have is I can hire anyone in the country because there is no specific place they have to get to every day. That's right. You would be able to find the most talented people as opposed to I can only hire people around my geographic footprint. That's just obvious. Yeah. I mean, that's why I would argue hockey, baseball and basketball are so talented now because they're not domestic. football is really American. Our classic football is, you know, the pads. It's, I mean, this labyrinth of college programs feeding it. It's just different. You know, Canada doesn't have that. Europe doesn't have sort of our collegiate system. But once you can go global and get people, it's remarkable to volume. I've got people in Sarasota, in New Hampshire, in Delaware. We have six people on these calls. I don't even know where they live. I think one lives in Los Angeles. You're right now in New York. New York. Yeah. And I'm in a closet at my house. It's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. So you think that Chicago takes going to aggregate? Oh, I know it's going to. I don't go on those sites. So can you

send it to me when it happens? Well, I mean, listen, I'm sure someone, one of your producers will. I mean, can you guys just blur my face when we're talking about it? What if, though? Think about this possibility. What if I just left broadcasting and just did this? Do you think I'd be as happy? If I just did the volume, I talked to friends, I did this. I did 90 minutes a day with J-Mack, maybe two hours a day, and I didn't really do the broadcasting and I just did this. Wait, hold on.

You just said you did 90 minutes a day with J-Mack. That's what is that? Well, it's higher than the volume and we do a show, but it'd be like 90 minutes to two hours a day. Oh, I get it. I understand. No, I don't think you'd be as happy. I think that you want to, I think there is, I think you would at some point feel not as in it as you feel right now.

Even if media's changed and all these things, I get it. Like, there is an element of, for anyway, and maybe for younger people than us, it's different. But obviously, you know, we're not the same age, but we are, even though we're different generations, where something to, I won't fucking TV every day. And, yeah, I know media has changed, so I don't know. I don't, but I mean, you would, I don't think you'd be unhappy, but I don't know if you'd be

as happy. I will tell you this. And maybe I'm being selfish, because I would be sad. I would be sadder if you would, if you, we weren't working in the same place. You would be sadder? Will you be with me once a week on this thing? Yeah, I understand, but it's still not like, I like that. Your show leads into my show.

I like that. How about this? An-Ois makes fun of me when I, because I compartmentalize stuff. I said, and do you understand I get free parking and free coffee at Fox and a smoothie when I leave every day? I get like 12 grand a year. And my wife is like, that's the stupidest shit I've ever heard in my life.

And I'm like, do you understand the ease? Like I told one time I told a broadcaster I knew. You have free shirts too. Yeah. You're free shirts. And I told a broadcaster, I said, you know, the makeup ladies come in. and they kind of a little bit of three minute hair massage and they kind of just kind of get you ready and I said I'm not getting that on a podcast I'm not getting that show there no you're not

you're not if you are you got to hire them you got to do all that's an HR nightmare right you don't want to you don't have to hire no you don't I don't know if these this last three minutes is I assume this is not for the pod uh Colin enjoy the game tell your buddy Raymond, you know, I'm not sorry for the things I said on television today, but I understand why he might not have liked it. Well, he's offended people a few times. All right, buddy. The volume. Thanks so much for listening.

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