The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast - Nick Wright Part 2: NFL Taking Over Xmas day, The Difference Between LeBron and Durant, Best Team In The West

Episode Date: March 27, 2024

Colin is joined by Nick Wright, host of “First Things First” on FS1! They react to the news that the NFL is planning more games for Christmas Day. Colin explains why he thinks the NFL sees weakness with the NBA and is trying to crush them (3:00) while Nick offers a competing theory as to why the NFL may have made a miscalculation (6:30). They explain why you can’t be too emotionally invested or overexposed to a team in order to bet them effectively (12:30) and why Colin tries to stay completely objective while watching (16:30).  They offer their picks for who will win the NBA Western Conference (23:15) and Nick lays out his reasons why the Lakers should want the Nuggets in the first round (25:30). Finally, Colin explains the biggest difference between LeBron James and Kevin Durant and what that’s meant to their postseason success. (30:00)  (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates! #Volume #Herd See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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i think the NFL views the sports world differently so we all know that big eats small right they're just in business big eat small like at some point Fox is like, we can't build a scale to compete with Disney and Netflix. We're going to sell a big chunk of our business off. By the way, they took Disney for a ride. They got about $80 billion for a movie business that wasn't worth anything and the $20 billion for the regional sports network that was worth a nickel about a year later. But the NFL has now scheduled another Christmas Day game. So there was always sort of a gentleman's agreement in sports. You You know, you get opening day in baseball, the NBA gets Christmas Day, and then, you know, the NFL's

going to dominate certain things in the fall. Now, for the record, I've always believed, and I've thought this forever, that the NBA would be much better served starting two days after the Monday after Thanksgiving, the Wednesday after Thanksgiving. Monday, Tuesday is football talk from the weekend. Then Wednesday's a dead day in that sports calendar. NBA starts a month later, plays into early July because it's wide open. So I've always thought the NBA's got their schedule. They should just move it a month later on both ends, beginning and end. But it is interesting now, kind of the pit bull attack mantra of the NFL.

I think they see weakness. I think they see Steph and LeBron getting older. And I think that marketing day on Christmas was a real thing. It was an introduction as we're all home to the NBA. they put the biggest games, the biggest stars. And it was sort of their free marketing day. And I think the NFL had not that they were getting huge ratings, but they were the biggest regular season game.

And I think the NFL sees weakness. I think they watched the NBA during BLM and COVID. You know, lose some viewers for, you know, maybe positioning, marketing on that. Stumble a little. Perhaps you can see some ratings erosion. there. And then LeBron and Steph are getting older. The game's getting more a little bit more European. And it's interesting. Like the gloves are off. It feels like to me the NFL has said, we're going to squeeze you. And I think, yeah. Go ahead. And I do believe that's a tipping point.

That Christmas Day mattered a lot to the NBA. And those NFL games put a blanket over it. Well, so there's there's two angles of this. One is what it means for the NBA. And it's terrible. for the NBA. The opening day in the NBA is fine, but it used to then have, it used to have Christmas Day is a big day. That's going away. The All-Star game.

Now it's like, ah, nobody gives a shit about that. It's a joke. And then, and now the NBA, both professional and collegiate basketball, at this point in this country, seem to be moving towards,

we really love your postseason. And the rest of it, take it or leave it. Yep. So I think it is bad for the NBA in that regard. I also think, and this is where we might disagree, long term, I think this is a massive strategic error by the NFL. And here's why. I think one of the secrets to the NFL's success is all of us, and I don't mean media,

just we are in a different spot because it's literally our job. But everyone that loves football has convinced all of their loved ones, spouses, children, whatever, who don't love football, that the games are unmissable. Like, it is, I don't know about you. I think most of your listeners at this point, they don't even get shit from their significant others. when my team is playing a NFL game, they know I am out of commission. I am watching.

It is mandatory. No weddings. It is part of being a band. I'm not going to a wedding. Correct. We won't schedule our own events. We won't, you know what I mean? No one's going to ask me to take my kid to the birthday party that.

No. Okay. So here's why I think it's a mistake. It's the same reason I thought that putting on Christmas Eve, that Bill's Chargers game on an app was a mistake. Because it's Christmas Eve and it's on an app and people are just going to miss it. And the moment it starts being, and Christmas Day, they put a Raiders game at 1pm Christmas. Those fans are on the West Coast.

That's 10 a.m. That's Christmas morning. So there were a lot of Raider fans who just missed the game. Here's why it matters. Now, your significant other or your kid or whomever says, you can miss, you missed the other. It was fine. You watched it later.

You caught up. As soon as it becomes, if the inventory becomes so ubiquitous and that you put it on days where people are going to miss and Christmas people are going to miss some. Thursday. Right. Then all of a sudden it's like, oh, you don't have to watch every game. You thought you did. But you don't.

And even if you still think you do, your wife or your significant other, it's like you do not have to watch every game. I know it because we were at Aunt Margaret's house on Christmas Eve and you didn't watch and you were fine. So I think long term, I think it's a mistake. I'm the only person that thinks this. I understand the ratings are going to be massive. But I think there has been a, I think all of us, especially as they've added a 17th game like I whisper.

I don't want my kids to hear it. I said, I don't have to hear it. Like, I cover the sport. I could probably miss a game or two and be okay. But they don't think that. They're like, no, it's daddy's watching football. Don't bother him. I'm like, yes, it's worked.

But all of a sudden, you put games on Christmas, they're going to be missed. Like, now I watched the Chiefs. It was my team played at 1 PM on Christmas. And that's the other thing. That was also the worst dude. That was the Raiders game. Yeah. It's just a disaster.

I mean, we didn't lose sense, by the way, Super Bowl champions. But I didn't like, I didn't love it. Yeah. Because here's the difference. NBA is watched passively. Yes. Even on Christmas, like even the Christmas Day games. Yeah.

It's in the background. Right. It's on. And then, oh, it's close with five minutes. I'm sitting down and watch. I don't know how to watch football passively. I can't come in and out of the room and be like, it's just not how my brain works with football.

So I just don't, I don't, and it's on a Wednesday. I don't know. I don't love the Christmas Day thing. I like the rule changes the NFL did. I'm not just trying to bang on the league. I think the Christmas Day thing's a little greedy. I don't love it. And I think it's short-sighted.

Yeah. No, I don't disagree. I, you know, it's, it's, I tend to, I don't know if this is selfish or not. I tend to look at the sports calendar and I see everything through the eyes of what does it do for the production of my show and my staff. So when they talked about 18 games, and that's going to happen, they'll add a second by week.

Well, the season will end. The staff will go dark for a week. Everybody gets a vacation. We'll come back. We'll be right into free agency in the final 20 games of the NBA season. So for me, I'm like, I get rid of two dead weeks of sports talk.

But, you know, one of the things, like, for instance, college basketball is a prime example. I can absolutely be fascinated with something for three weeks and nothing more. And I think it's the sports brain. Like college basketball, this next weekend, Gonzaga, Purdue will not miss it. These big games this weekend will not miss it. I don't think the quality of college basketball is great, but I like the I like the, the Mardi Gras feel, the annual party feel.

Well, listen, it's cliche. And it's the only time anyone ever uses this specific word is with college sports, but it's the right word. The pageantry of it is something. Yes. Like the students and the band and all of it, it is. It overcomes the fact that I'm like, I'm pretty sure this team shoots 36% on open shots. Like that I'm like, I am pretty like, this is not good.

No. But it is entertainment. But you're right. I feel totally fine parachuting in. Yes. Like I, the, I, the, I, I don't pretend and act like I'm a college basketball. expert. I'm not. And I came into the tournament. I'm like, yeah, I used to live in Houston. I like the coach. I'll root for them. Yeah. And other than that, I'll root for underdogs because it's

fun. I'll root against Yukon because it'll cause wild pain. And then that'll just be it. Like, you know, and then I'm into it. And the women's game has stars that I, that I'm into. But I don't need to have a year-long investment. That's right. I just don't. Well, and the other thing is I had a four-team parlay in college basketball last week, my first one of the year. people are like, you don't, you don't really follow the sport. And I'm like, it's math. Just look at certain numbers in the bat. Like I just made another four team or today. Billy Bean didn't watch the A's play. Jerry West would not watch all the Lakers play. You start watching too much of anything. You get so viscerally, emotionally distraught and connected. You make bad bets. I've said this about the

NFL. The red zone is perfect. The red zone gives me the great moments. I don't overthink football. then I can go look at stuff when I make my blazing five picks. I can just look at numbers that are important. Third down numbers that I worry about. How do you close? How do you start? How much do you run?

The weather. And it's like I don't need, to me, there is no proof that watching every Oregon game makes me a better Oregon better. It's like saying, oh, it's like saying, you know, the more you drive, the better driver you are.

I could argue the more I drive, the more fatigued I am, the more numb I am, and the less alert I am. So I think that, So I think that is on a general gambling perspective, I think that if you had a team, the generic you,

if anyone had a team that they watched and followed like it were their favorite team, but that they did not give a damn about, that I actually think would give them real insight on. It's interesting. So Lem banker, the late Lem banker was a gambler in Las Vegas. And I started gambling on sports in Las Vegas. And Lem banker said, it's not a volume game. He goes find a team or a college conference. And within that conference, find three or four teams and just watch them and bet them. So that, so that, so that's my, so that's what I was getting to. Like, I think I know. I do not think. Isn't it sound arrogant. I don't mean it to. I do not think Brett Veach, the GM of the Chiefs,

knows more about the Chiefs roster than I do. And that is only because I think I am maximum. I don't think it's possible to know more. I think I've reached maximum knowledge level of that roster. But I am not a good Chiefs gambler because I'm so emotionally invested in it. and it leads to high, high, high, low, low. Like, it's not, it's not that you always overrate your favorite team. Sometimes you underrate them.

Yeah. They're like, yeah, they suck. What the hell? You know what I mean? But I, I've watched everything and I consume everything. So if you did that with a team you don't care about, just, you know what I mean? From a pure knowledge perspective, I do think you would be like, oh, and nobody's talking about it, but our.

left guard who wasn't that good, you know, is at 50% and his backup's terrible. And we got Jeffrey Simmons coming up. That in and of itself's worth a point in a half. You know what I mean? Yes. I do think you would have that. So I think that there is, in theory, the more you watch, the more knowledgeable you are. In practice, the thing you watch the most is the thing that you are going to care about the most.

Right. And then the emotion is going to pervert. your logic on it. Yeah. I mean, I really don't want to know about all my wife's intimate relationships. He said this last week. I don't want to...

You must have had an interesting therapy. I don't want to know about what my kids are doing. It doesn't make me a better parent or a husband, all that knowledge. So my take has always been, I like to watch things like a judge watches a case without emotion. I can go look up the data,

Give me, my wife always says this. She says, you know, I'm always watching a game for an angle. I'm what, like when I went to the Bull Celtics, the first thing I noticed, the first four minutes of the game, the Celtics didn't start Jalen Brown, poor Zingis, or Drew Holiday. And the first thing that was obvious is Billy Donovan told his team clearly, they're not as athletic. Push the ball. Horford's on the floor, old guy. So Chicago came out going a thousand miles an hour getting some easy buckets. And then later in the game, you could watch Boston.

They've played together, older players, did a much better job. You could tell that Boston's coach had told them, don't I so. We've only got Tatum. They're taking him out in some sense. Pass. Move the ball. We're a smarter team than they are. Move the ball.

Boston at the end of the game was like it was a symphonic. It was beautiful ball movement. So it's like that was, I was watching the game for angles. And I think you do the same thing. I don't need to watch entire games. I can go, like, I watch Yukon twice this year, and I'm like, oh, nobody's going to beat this team in college basketball. Defense, scoring, coaching. They're just too good.

They're too long. And then I watched Carolina three games, and I'm like, that's the only team that could give Yukon trouble. And I don't, and I probably watched 12 college games this year. I watched Gone Saga, and I said, they're good. They're not good enough to win the title. I watched, you know, I watched the series of teams. So, and again, it's not like I do chalk mostly on the, college tournament, and I'm not some, I'm not Alan Boston, one of these legendary gamblers in

college basketball. But the truth of the matter is, the more you do anything, the more emotional you get, and that's not always a make you a better husband, a better parent, a better, boss. In theory, if you could acquire the expertise without any of the, like, it's, I'll use an analogy, then I have a basketball take for you. You made me think of it. when you're talking the NBA. Okay. If you're running a business and you are there every single day. And I mean,

you have employees. Yes, yes, so you actually, so this is, you are the expert at, but it is also very human to then develop relationships. Yes.

And so the, what is best for the business versus I really like this person. Oh, this, you know, those things all intermixing your, brain. If you could, if you were, I think it's probably why, and I'm totally talking out of my ass here, because I know nothing about running a business. And I just thought of this in the second,

but I think I, I think I'm right. It's probably why people bring in outside consultants. They're like, hey, you don't know any, you don't know, this guy went through a divorce. You don't know, this is my godparent. You don't know anything. Come look at this place and tell me what works and what works and what doesn't give me a cold calculated reading of it because I am, as the saying goes, too close to it. Right? Like that is how human beings work in that they can get too close to things. They can know so much, I guess that's where the phrase can't see the forest for the trees. You know what even comes from. So I do think there's something to it. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games.

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Absolutely. I love these. Okay. So right now, if you had to pick a team to win the West, you would pick who? I think the Lakers match up with Denver physically. Now that Carl Anthony Towns is hurt, they don't. OKC's too young, Phoenix, too mid-range, too, they duplicate too many of their skills. I think Denver will eventually a healthy win.

I think Boston's deeper, but will lose- No, I'm just on it out west. Yeah, I'm just on about West. Denver. Denver is the heavy favorite by everyone, right? I agree with you. Even though they're the nine seed, the Lakers appear to me to have the most upside.

Everyone's healthy, everything clicks, all of it. But they can't beat Denver. They got swept by him last year. They got swept in the regular season. Close to them. Games are close. Games are close, but they just can't beat them. Okay.

So here is the tape that's going to sound ridiculous, but I truly believe the Lakers should want Denver in round one. And here's why. If you have to beat them no matter what, if the assumption is no one's going to beat them for you, okay, you're going to have to beat them for you. Okay? You're going to have to beat them. You want them in round two when you just went six or seven with Minnesota or okay C and they swept whoever they were playing. You want them in round three when the games are every other day or you want them in round

one when there's two or three days between games at times. LeBron and AD can both play 44 minutes. You are as fresh as you're going to be at any point and try to knock them off when they, you know what I mean? Right before they have really hit their stride. So again, I think the Lakers in a series against Denver are like 15%. And it's not like if they got them in round one, they'd be 50. But they'd be 30.

But I think that 15% might go up to around 20. I truly believe that. I don't think they could beat them in the got every other day because you need LeBron to play too much. They need to play too much. But round one would be an intriguing spot where you could just play LeBron and AD like the whole game every time, be like you have two days off. This has been my theory.

the Lakers, if it was March Madness style, like the in-season tournament, did win the title. And if I was Adam Silver and I wanted to extend KD, LeBron, and Steph's efficiency and greatness, I would make the first round three, the second two rounds five games in the final seven. If Steph loses in the finals, LeBron or KD, that's fine. I won. But asking older players, even if you're a dominant favorite, it. You lose games in a series because nobody sweeps anybody. I mean, outside of LeBron in the first round, nobody sweeps anybody. So what's happening is you're making revenue, but you really lessen the chances of the Warriors instead. Steph is carrying the Warriors now. He has to go six games in the first two playoffs. If it was three and they steal what Steph takes two. So I always said, forget the greed. Shorten the playoff series until the finals. And it allows older players to remain viable in those last two to three years of their contract or career like KD.

LeBron and stuff right now. Well, so that's and the age thing, this is what everybody, when nobody realizes is how old these guys are in NBA years. Kobe Bryant won. The final playoff game Kobe Bryant ever won. He was 33. The final playoff game Michael Jordan ever won. He was 35. Steph is 36.

KD is either 36 right now or about to be. I'm going to check. LeBron obviously is 37. We are already on KD is 35, turns 36 in a few months. We're on borrowed time with these guys. Historic, we've been on borrowed time with LeBron, but we are on borrowed time with these guys, and folks don't realize it. Like, because LeBron is won a title and finals MVP at 35 and then was in the conference

finals at 38, that's not the history. That's not, there is no precedent for that. Those guys are not supposed to still be carrying their rosters. And the Durant thing, man, this is an understanding. unbelievable stat. Durant's first 11 years in the league, Colin. He played

49 conference finals or NBA finals games. 1,99 minutes in the conference finals or the NBA finals. So in Durant's first, 11 seasons, six years,

he was in the second the last, you know, series of the year. And three years, he was in the last one. In the six years he has played since then. He has played 11 minutes in the conference finals in R&BA finals. Kevin Durant in his 30s has played 11 minutes past round two. Hey. Which is a damn shame, but it is wild that it has happened.

I said it when it happened. I know I'm giving myself credit, but when he left Golden State for Brooklyn. I said, this is the equivalent of Mahomes saying, I have a friend playing for the Jets. I want to go to the Jets. We would go, the fuck you talking about? You're out of your mind. Andy Reed, Steve Kerr, Steph, Clay Draymond. That is the difference between LeBron and KD. LeBron may have had a difference with teammates. LeBron will be like, this is a cash cow. I'm not going any. LeBron has left old D. Wade. crazy Kyrie. He's left untalented Cleveland.

If Kyrie would have stayed and Kevin Love, he would have stayed in Cleveland. LeBron is left because of a his exit strategies were usually, I can't win him anymore. LeBron has left because he thought that this is over. I need to be able to win elsewhere. And he did. And listen, KD, this is where you and I do somewhat disagree. I totally get why Katie left because we all said, those rings don't count loser

don't care everybody yelled at him said you're ruining the sport the rings don't count it wasn't the leaving just the leaving it was the leaving plus being like I'm going to go from

the lowest maintenance most reliable wingman superstar and Steph Curry to the highest maintenance least reliable one in Steph Curry in Tyrie Irving like

Going from that to that is what the, and then the Phoenix thing, like Phoenix is built poorly. They just, they, you know, the roster never made sense. But it is, listen, Katie's no longer a true MVP candidate. He's closer to the 10th best player in the league than the best player. Yeah, fair. You know what I mean? Yeah. Which is, but for him too, in the last six years,

not make it out a round two is one of the wildest things ever for a player of his caliber. To not get those, his whole 20s, NBA postseason great series moments, he was a part of it. He was a part of the tapestry. And now he hasn't played, you know, a really bit. he's played in my opinion in the last six years one huge game game seven against yonis and that was round two and that was the game where he stepped on the line where he hit what he thought was the game winner and stepped on the line and then lose an overtime and that's it other than that it's getting worked in round one or going out and round it's it sucks it's not what

I and I'm not like killing him for it. I don't think it's because he's like not a great player, but it is a, I don't have the, you know, I don't have it in front of me, but it feels a little like the last, you know, half decade of Marino or maybe eight years of Marino

where it's like, it's not like there were a bunch of deep, I know you didn't win a ring, but you had deep playoff rounds. It's like, no. You know what I mean? A lot of years where it's just like, you get lost in the wild card round, you lost in round two, you've missed the playoffs, you lost the wild card round.

So that's, it's what, because I think the reason I bring it up is I think Phoenix is going to fall to the stay in the 9-10 area. I think, you know what I mean? Phoenix, you lose to San Antonio without Wimby. And Phoenix has, have you seen, Colin, Phoenix's last 10? Oh, it's brutal. It's the hardest. I'm just going to tell it what it is to the audience.

because it is the hardest schedule left in the NBA by a mile. This is what Phoenix has the rest of the way. At Denver, at OKC, at the Pelicans, home for the calves. That's the easiest game. Home for the Timberwolves. Home for the Pelicans. Home for the Clippers. At the Clippers, at the Kings, at the Timberwolves.

every game they play is against a team with a better record than them. Six are on the road. Four are against the top three seeds in the West. Like it is, there is no gimmies in there. And they've fallen already to the, have they fallen to the nine? I don't know if they fall into the nine or they're going to fall.

I think the sons are eight, Lakers, nine, Warriors. That's right. That's exactly right. And the rockets are nipping at everybody's heels at 11. Yeah. The sons are the eight. You're correct.

And the Lakers are two, two behind them and the by the time people hear this the Lakers will have I would imagine lost to the Bucks but the this is the thing for the Lakers not to do schedule radio the Lakers play the Bucks tonight

and they're getting rolled as we record it after this Grizzlies Pacers Nets are the next three and then I think they have two easy ones after that they go Grizzly Pacers Nets Raptors Wizards So yes they're going to lose tonight and then they have

five of the worst teams in basketball than X-5, that's a tough spot for the Sons. Tough spot. Nick Wright, always love it. Talk about this. Thank you for drinking with me. I finished it at a perfect time.

So here's the thing. So I have, you know, everybody does podcast differently, and this last thing I'll say, you and I would say, whether it's the volume, con coward podcast or what's right with nick right you and i treat our podcasts like a you know

kind of more relaxed version of what we do in our regular lives like our regular shows i know that there are other strategies that are far more aggressive or audacious or whatever it is um so maybe the happy medium since we can't stop talking about that is one time doing a four-person pod. You, me, and Danielle, and we just see how that thing goes. And if it's, you know, there's a 40% chance. It's unerable for our sake.

Then it just goes in the archives. But if not, it could be a viral bonanza. So think about that. I told Anne, we had a disagreement recently, and I said, I'm willing to do a 15-minute pod on this disagreement. the audience decides who's right. She was not down with that.

How'd that work out? Yeah, I would have mastered it. She doesn't like any of this stuff. She hates. I know. So here's the thing. My, say, I think our, I think, we need to get Anne and Danielle together, and then maybe we could do it.

Because I think that they will have enough commonalities between being married to us, living with us, and their own stuff that maybe we can do it one day. But this is fun as always. I'll talk to you next week, my friend. All right. buddy. The volume. Thanks so much for listening. If you've enjoyed the podcast, take a moment, rate and review. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make

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