The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast - Nick Wright Pt.2, Is Dallas A “Good Job”?, Best Fits For Belichick, Harden WORKS With Clippers

Episode Date: January 17, 2024

Nick Wright, host of “First Things First” on FS1 joins Colin for part two! They debate whether the head coaching job for the Dallas Cowboys is a “good job” with Jerry Jones commanding as much control as he does (3:30). They look into the potential best fits for Bill Belichick’s next coaching gig (7:30) and discuss whether teams without an opening would fire their current coach in order to hire the future Hall of Famer (13:30). Moving to the NBA, they dissect why it’s working for the Clippers with James Harden (21:30) and which teams are poised to make noise in the postseason (25:00). (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates! #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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doing a USC thing here in February. And I do high school things. I'll speak maybe three times a year. And, you know, one of the things I always say, you know, it's kind of the same speech over and over, right? And one of the things I always tell young people I may have told you, don't chase money. There's a sea of it if you're talented. Chase good management because there's not a sea. Yeah, we've talked about that. Yeah. And I said to J-MAC the other day, is the cowboy job a good job? So you have an owner who does radio hits and post-game comments.

You have to answer to constantly. He thinks he's a de facto GM. His son is the GM. He also thinks DAC is great and should be paid in an elite class. So the starting point of the job, forget everything else. meddling owner. And as you've noted, there's only one way not to win a Super Bowl. Average quarterback paid like a great one.

You can go cheap quarterback, superstar wealthy one. And my takeaway is, I don't think the Cowboys is a great job. I think the perception right now, the Lakers, it's not a great job. LeBron's run through like eight coaches. Anthony Davis is inconsistent offensively. So at the end of games, it's always LeBron in his 21st year. It's a mom and pop operation. The Lakers have one of the poorest ownership groups in the league.

Steve Balmer is worth more than 28 of the NBA owners. He could buy and sell the bus family 35 times over. The Lakers is viewed as a great job. They have no young stars. The Cowboys is viewed as a good job. And it goes back to, is that good management? Is that a good job? So I think it is not a great job, but a good job for a few years.

If I were Mike Vrable or Jim Harbaugh, I wouldn't want it. If I were Belichick and I'm like, I'm really only trying to do this for three or four more years, I would strongly consider it. Because if it's, we are all in right now, you can mitigate. some of the cap stuff with Dak by doing what the Saints did at the end with Breeze, which is like, we will deal with that in 2027. We're doing all, you know, we're pushing it all down the road. And you do have, listen, I think C.D. Lamb is great. I think Michael Parsons is great. I think Diggs is very good in coming back from an injury. I think you do have,

you know what I mean, some good pieces. So I don't think it's a great job, but I don't think great jobs are open. And if you're, if you're, if people are talking about Belichick going to Atlanta, that's a project. You know what I mean? That is, it might have better, you, you might have more autonomy, all these things. But as he knows, if you don't, if, if you don't have the base level quarterback, your DOA, you know what I mean, from the beginning.

So if I'm Bill and it's short term, I think, I don't think Dallas is a bad, job. If I'm someone who's like, I want a job for 10 years, that's, I don't think it'd be the right move. But I look around and I say, what job that could be open or is open is better than that one. I mean, if we're Bill, I'm sure, I shouldn't say I'm sure. But if I were Bill, I would have been rooting like hell for the Steelers last night because the Bills would be a great job. Right. Like, you know what I mean? Like, you go coach Josh Allen. They're captain. not a mess. You have some talent. Like there are some better parts there. But that job's

not coming open. I think Philly is about to feel some pain now. Jason Kelsey leaving. Whatever the hell is going on. I've never seen a team treat the first quarter of a playoff game like game 17 for a four-win team. They were like, we don't want to be here. So, you know,

that's a, and that job's not open yet, obviously. But I don't know. Like, if you were advising Belichick of any of the jobs open or jobs that could be open, where would you tell them to go? I would say, listen, Bill, you've shown an ability to win rings with an elite quarterback and no ability to win with an average quarterback. One job has a really talented quarterback. Chargers? The Chargers. Jalen Hertz is good,

maybe a bit overstated due to the Shane Schaich and Lincoln-Riley Connection. That would be second. But there is no disputing. Bill has shown no proclivity. No ability. to draft and develop well or win without a quarterback. So there's no reason to believe he can address that if you don't have it. That's why I wouldn't go to Atlanta. That's why I think the Atlanta thing's crazy. Or people have talked about Washington. Now, I understand Washington is the number two pick, but that player's got to get developed.

Like, that's why. Now, the other thing is this that I find interesting. And people think it's unfair, but I don't think it's unfair. And maybe Bill wouldn't do this. this is really just a thought exercise, which is you look around the league and I like, I'm wondering what teams, what teams would fire their coach if Bill called him and said, that's the job. I want to go to your team.

I know you have like, so that, you know, right now technically Philly as a coach. I don't know if they will much longer. I certainly, if I were Jeffrey Lurie, and I knew Belichick will take this job. I will fire Nick Siriani. But that's almost too easy because he's on the hot seat either way. You know, not as many as you think, because I have believed this for a long time. Less than half of the owners want to win first. Less than half.

It may be less than a third. What they want is profits and control. The Spanos families had opportunities, including this year, to secede some control to Jim Harbaugh. He's the best candidate easily. It's not, I'm told, in the building, unanimous. So you know in the league, top 10 quarterback elite coach, you get to conference championships. You've got one. The other wants the job.

Yes. So the only reason not to choose that would be profits and control. Belichick will force you and Harbaugh to have less control. And these owners, that is number one. Billionaires control people, their families, their businesses, their employees. They don't like loss of control. Like Wall Street. Wall Street is not just about earnings. Wall Street is about the unknown. It plummet. on unknowns. Often a company will come out and say, we are chopping 10,000 jobs. The stock goes up. Okay? They're going to have a tighter.

Right. That's bad news. No, it's great news. It's known. Owners do not relinquish power. There's only a handful that would go, okay, relinquish power. Jerry won't.

Jerry had Jimmy and Bill. He let them both run. So I'm going to, this is, on your TV show today, I made up a fake trade essentially. I'm now doing the coaching version of it, which is there's two AFC jobs that came to mind that I think are intriguing. If Bill Belichick's agent called up the owner of the Bengals and said Bill,

you know, would take that job if it were offered to him, would you, if you were the owner of the Bengals, fire Zach Taylor to hire Bill Belichick. No. No. All right. Second one. Bill Belichick's agent calls up Shad Khan. Says Bill Belichick would like to coach Trevor Lawrence. Would you fire Doug Peterson to hire Bill Belichick? I'd think about that one because I thought this year when I can't figure out why you get bad and it's not personnel, I think I'd probably make the move there. It was a weird year for that talent.

team. And listen, the easy answer is Trevor got hurt, but you still shouldn't go from eight and three to out of the playoffs entirely. So I'm not like advocating Velichick go like, you know, that would be a good revenge for that Eagle Super Bowl. Like, hey, Dougie, guess what? I'm sniping your job. But yeah, if I were Bill, my jobs list would be I would go down.

I would make my own list of. who are the best quarterbacks in the NFL? And I'd be like, okay, Mahomes won. Well, that job's no, you know, they're not firing Andy Reid. That's not available. And go down and then see, obviously the open one is Justin Herbert. But it doesn't seem like that's going to happen. So then I would try to find a spot where either.

And I don't think it's a weird thing because nobody thinks this is like unfair with players. So like if you have a good NBA player who's been a, you know, you have no reason to trade or whatever, and then a star is like, I want to go to that team. Then that guy gets traded. And nobody's like, oh, that's unfair. Maybe it's because it's firing. But I wouldn't think it was outrageous for a coach who had no reason to fire their own coach, fire their coach because Bill Belichick became available and they thought they were better.

Like, I think that happens in life. It's like your job was safe, but this supernova talent came into the world or into our orbit. And so your job is no longer safe. Listen, we know Jimmy Sexton controls college football. Fans have the overwhelming number of fans have no idea. So I'll give you an example. So Kalin DeBore got hired by, from Washington, Alabama.

You somehow knew Jed Fish was going to get the job. Well, I knew Jed Fish was getting Washington. In fact, I knew. That's what I mean. Yeah. Yeah, I knew Saturday night. But to protect Jed because it wasn't finalized and protect my source, I couldn't report it. So I'd rather have Bruce Feldman and those guys.

I don't make my money on breaking college football. Reporting. Kalin DeBore, I've known Jed for a while. I'm not going to screw up his contract and, you know, had he told Arizona. Oh, okay. Oh, I didn't know that part of it. Okay, got you. So, Kaelin DeBore, I was told, basically said, okay, Jimmy Sexton, I'll let you be my agent, but I want the Bama job. And Jimmy Sexton's like, I'll get you in the top two. And so he knew Kailen DeBore was going to be. So Kailen Dabore, I knew on Wednesday, was going to be a top two candidate. He didn't guarantee him the job. But in order to rep him, he was going to get him. And Sark, Alabama knew, Greg Byrne knew that Sark wasn't going to take the job. Sark loves his wife, loves Austin. They weren't leaving.

They called Sark is almost a perfunctory, professional, thank you for what you've given us. Yeah, and get him a raise at Texas. That Alabama job coming open was great for a lot of people's economies. Everybody who's out here getting raises. Right, right. So it was one of these sort of, we're going to call Sark, but it wasn't, it was never, ever, they never thought they were going to get Sark. So it was a prime example of, so to your point is that this.

Jimmy Sexton is operating on multiple levels. He is promising interviews and opportunities. He didn't say, Kalin, you're going to get the Bama job. He goes, I'm going to get you in the running for it. And so this idea that he was the fourth guy. No, no, no, no, no. Kail Debors signed with Jimmy. I want to be in the running for that. And so the idea that agents don't do that, I've had an agent forever. You have. We're talking 18 months out. So this kind of stuff, Belichick's agent is calling and doing that. Calling and seeing what jobs would come open if you knew he wanted the job. I mean, Brady did the same. Brady picked his team. Bill probably has three teams he's interested in. So, yeah, and by the way, I don't make, listen, maybe he'll go to Atlanta and it'll be weird.

Maybe that'll happen. I thought it was really odd. Atlanta tweeting out, we've just finished our interview with Bill Belichick. Yeah. It just, I don't know Bill Belichick. check, but that seems like the type of thing that would make him not want to coach your team. Yeah, I almost wondered if Bill's agent asked for that. I'm not saying it. Oh. For, hey, could you make sure Bill wants it out there that people are interested, right? Sure, that makes more sense.

Yeah. Because if he did, if he did, I would almost, because what I thought was that it was a stress test for the organization. it. Like, I'll go meet with you guys because maybe I am interested and I want to see if it leaks. And you know what I mean? And then saw that it was everywhere. What you're saying actually makes probably more sense. Bill wants to be viewed as viable. When you get to be 70, Pete Carroll, when he stepped on the podium losing the Seattle job, he was like, my energy's great. He was talking to every other GM in the league, every other owner. Hey, it's not my energy. I'm going a thousand while he started talking really fast. He was selling himself. Bill wants it to be known. I'm interested

and teams are interested in me. And his agent wants that out there. Yeah, no, that makes sense. So if you had to bet right now, where would you say, and maybe you don't want to say, where do you think he goes? I think Philadelphia and Washington, he's got a big, he's got multiple homes in Nantucket. He's got a big spread. So he wants to be a private jet flight there. He does it. Bill's not going to go. He's going to do Washington. or Philadelphia. He's not going west. He just doesn't, he doesn't have any connections there. And, you know, by the way, if he brings Josh McDaniel, Josh McDaniel's northeast, Josh has had no success out west, Vegas, Denver. He's going to come back east, but his kids in school.

I think Philadelphia is the answer. Yeah. I think Philadelphia is the answer. You stay in the northeast, you stay in a prime media market. You have a talented roster. It's, listen, I think the talent on the roster's a little overrated, but what's not overrated is the D-Line talent. So, you know, Belichick can coach up the secondary. He can create a secondary if there's anything out of thin air.

And even if Jalen is, you know, a flawed quarterback, he's the best quarterback that Belichick's had in a half decade. You know what I mean? Like, you go from Mac Jones and Bailey Zappy to Jalen Hertz, you feel like you're playing a different fucking sport.

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Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast. podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, five-minute NBA topic. So this is a classic example, is I brought my baggage to the Clippers when Hardin signed, and I didn't really consider an obvious thing. And I've watched the Clippers twice in the last two weeks, and it hit me. Oh, shit. They didn't have a real point guard for two years.

They finally have one. and now Paul George and Kauai can just go be great wing players. And I watched them twice. And I'm like, my take was Hardin was taking shots from Embed and Maxi. But you were taking the ball to Maxi's hands. The truth is the clippers about a hole for two years. They have a point guard. Right, which is why they actually looked good with Russ at the end of last year before

Kwai got hurt because they had a version of Ross. So I watched them the other night again. And I'm like, oh, shit, this is a real offense. I mean, when Hardens on the floor with Corrine Paul, it is a seamless all-star level offense. It's like they like passing. I mean, James can distribute. That's never been an issue. He's really become a very strong distributor.

And it's one of those. I looked at it and I thought, oh, I hate this. Westbrook was a grown-up, so I'll go to the bench. And then Hardens the missing piece. And I missed it. And I was so caught up. Here's the thing. Philly, Brooklyn, Hardin.

Yeah, guess what? You're going to get that same fucking guy soon enough. James Hardin plays nice for a few months. I'm going to be the point guard. I'm going to lead and listen. I'm going to do all this. And then he wants to cook. And right around the time he wants to cook,

Quire Paul George is going to have something a little, you know, going to be out a few weeks. Hardin's going to get to cook. So they do look great right now. I have not bought in five years. one share of Clipper stock, and I'm not starting today. And so, listen, they're like 21 and 6 or 22 and 6 over the, I understand all of that. I don't trust.

It's sad, but it's reality. I don't trust Kauai's health. Paul George is not quite as big of a health risk, but is. And I do not trust James. James Harden, if you listen, Doc Rivers, James Hardin, everything was all good. then he didn't make the all-star team last year, and he was so pissed at wrecked his whole mentality in their season. And so I don't, I don't buy it.

I do not buy it. Now, the answer is right now, in my opinion, out West, you have the obvious favorite in Denver. Yeah. And they deserve the right to be that, and they are that. Then you have two, maybe a year too early, but can't throw, you know, can't discount them young teams in OKC and Minnesota because those are well-built deep teams.

And barring a seismic trade, I don't think there's another team in the room in the Western Conference. The Eastern Conference, on the other hand, to me, has four viable contenders. I think that obviously Boston is at the top of the line. Philly is really damn good. They're really 35 points a game. Oh, by the way, I watch a lot of Sixers because I get on the treadmill. So I get a lot of the Eastern starts. I've said this.

Jay Mack and I have argued. Tobias Harris, the internet, had 37 and the fourth. Harris is a great three. M.B. Maxie. I watch their ball movement now. They're really good. That's a really good team. They're really good.

Milwaukee can't guard anybody. But you have Janice and Dame and you hope the coach gets better. And then lurking is a team that can never be discounted, the team that's been to the finals two of the last four years, the Miami Heat. And so it's a, yeah, two of the last four years. So to me, the East has four. I would almost go like 30, 25, 25, 20,

as far as percentages. You know what I mean? Like four almost pickums. And in the West, which right now has Denver, OKC and Minnesota. You don't like Phoenix at all? No.

I don't. I don't like Phoenix at all. And I don't think Kevin Durant likes Phoenix. I don't think that's going to work. The Clippers I don't believe in. You know I want to believe in the Lakers, but you'd be a fool right now. like I said, a seismic trade.

And even that, you're once again, the Lakers have once again put themselves in a position where they're going to have to expend all their energy just to get into the goddamn playoffs. That by the time the playoffs start, like, so there's, yeah, I mean, I don't, the Warriors are done. I think just like done. You lose to the Grizzlies with their G League roster. They're done. Is there anyone? I'm just going to glance.

I feel like there's one obvious team that I'm just not even. mentioning because I've been so NFL-centric. Cleveland? No. No, no, no, no. Oh, I'm leaving out my beloved, oh, I was going to say I'm leaving out my beloved kings, but the, that's not it because they're fun, but they're not the team. The other one that is lurking and they're not trustworthy, but they have a guy who even

in a series against Yokic can be the best player on the court is Dallas. and Dallas right now staying afloat when Luca's when Luca missed some time. I don't trust him because of Kyrie. There's a lot of things there. I don't think Dallas can win four rounds. But Dallas can beat anybody in a round because Luca has proven in the playoffs. He's as good as anybody in the league on offense. And Kyrie's been unbelievable for a couple weeks.

But like that's those, that's not a real contender. That's just like a fun, scary team. unless they make a major trade. And that's the other thing with Philly. Philly, I think, is going, and Daryl Sharp, Philly is going to make a move. Miami could still make a move. Like, that's where it is going to be really interesting to see, like, who stands, Pat, who makes a move, and what happens? Like, Milwaukee's made their move.

Yeah. Boston has probably made their move and feels really good about where they're at. I'm really curious where, you know, where everyone else lands. Nick Wright, first things first. He's got to go pick up his wife. This was a great hour, buddy. I appreciate it. I just finished my Diet Coke.

I went, I'm going to go have, I've been battling a cold. I'm going to go have a beer with a buddy tonight in a hamburger. So I wanted to go dry. You know what, you know what beer right here is great. What? Her draft picks. Her draft. That's what I was going to say.

I forgot. I was going to say, what's it called? I see it's at restaurants and everything now. This is unbelievable. Yeah, it's in all the Gelsons. It's going to be Albertsons. It's in the Delta Lounge. It is in the Buffalo Wild Wing.

It's in the Delta Lounge in the Buffalo Wild Wing? How many flavors do you have? I have a hazy IPA and then a logger. Lager are Pilsner, our Pilsner, one, the brusky for the best new beer in America. That is unbelievable. Are you going to come out? Here's the reason I ask.

It's, of course, selfish reasons. If you're going to come out with a third variation, I might license my name for free just to be able to say. I'm never going to have my own beer line, just to be like the what's right Pilsner or something. I don't know. If I don't make a penny on it, I love our Pilsner. And I'll go have one of mine tonight.

So at the club I go to the 900 club, he put a keg in, he put it in. And I said, you don't need to do this. But I'm so proud of it because when we made it, I said, listen, it's not about a profit thing. It's got to be a good beer. I don't want to do a celebrity shitty vodka beer wine. Like, let's do it right. Let's don't worry about profit. Our guys have worked so hard, our brewmaster.

I think the Pilsner is my favorite Pilsner. That's awesome. That's awesome. Well, I'm glad. We'll go enjoy the beer. I'm going to go pick up my wife from the airport and I'll talk to you soon. See it. The volume.

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