The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast - Part 2: Playoff Will Overshadow Rivalries, The 4 Programs Winning NIL, Ohio State Lost Its Identity, Brady In The Booth

Episode Date: June 3, 2024

Colin is joined by John Middlekauff, host of “3 and Out” to talk offseason football! They start college football and Colin explains why he thinks the enormity of the 12 team playoff will render most rivalries obsolete (4:30) They break down why staffing changes will help USC turn the corner (10:30) and why four teams stand out as winning the NIL race (14:45) They make their projections for USC’s first year in the Big 10 (19:00), why it will be Ohio State’s conference going foward (23:00) and why Ohio State could regain their more physical identity after losing it for a very good reason (24:45). They project an explosion in college football ratings (26:30) talk about why Tom Brady is likely to be incredibly good as a color analyst on FOX broadcasts (28:00) and Colin explains why on-air chemistry is so difficult to achieve (31:30) Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates! #Volume #Herd #3andOutSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So I said is somebody that grew up with the Sonics. When the Sonics left Seattle, people said, Colin, you were an outrage. that I'm like, listen, I went to Key Arena. There was no parking. It was dark. It sucked. It didn't drive revenue. What do you want me to say?

Like, you got to, it's a bad area. Downtown Seattle's always been kind of dark and gloomy. It's not a vibrant downtown. I'm like, I'm sorry. And when the Pact 12 imploded, I said, I've been telling my friends this for years. There's too much to do in the fall. And like August 28th till October 18th. I'm sorry.

The pact outside of Oregon and Washington, there's just empty stadiums. There's too much to do. We got pro sports in Seattle, Sanford, the Bay Area. Nobody talks Stanford and Cal. No one cares. And I'm like, it just doesn't work here. I mean, you're given the PAC 12s TV contracts giving USC 30 million. The Big Ten will give them 90.

It's not hard. And the executives at Fox are guesstimating that the Big Ten ratings this year will go up 18%. That's big. And a lot of those games are on cable, 18%. And I said this, you start looking at some of these schedules, John. Jesus, I have spent Sundays are work days for you and I. They're work days. We do a podcast on Sunday night.

I'm around my TV. I go get a big workout in, sometimes go for a hike. By 10.05 Pacific, I'm ordering DoorDash. I'm there doing setups occasionally for extras. I watch the TV for eight and a half hours and talking to you. It's not digging ditches, but it's a long day. Yeah, Saturdays now. You start looking at the time zone.

So where is the SEC? There's only two time zones represented. You can have an Oregon game. Then you can do an Iowa game. Then you can do an East Coast game. I told my bosses, like, I need, we've got to figure out a way to give somebody on our staff vacation time in the fall. Like, this is seven-day work week now.

I cannot wait for college football. So I'm going to move into my contract. controversial take of the week, which is, I always thought rivalries were big in college football. But what's going to happen now is the 12-team playoff is going to usurp everything. It's just going to become bigger than everything. And those storied rivalries just won't matter. Michigan, Ohio State will, Iron Bowl will. But most of them, the ratings for the college football playoff are going to be gigantic.

And you're going to have to move off rivalries. Because what you don't want are for your USC, you're six and one, you stun Oregon and Eugene. Instead of a buy before Ohio State, you're going to South Bend November 9th. And I'm like, you get knocked in the ass twice on those and you're going to be like, yeah, I'm over the Notre Dame game. Now, Notre Dame needs it. But my take is, you guys may want to reconsider this in this conference. Well, before we get into the elephant in the room on Lincoln Riley, I don't disagree. let's use the Northwest, the Apple Cup and the Civil War.

Oregon and Washington have always been a rivalry game, but those two games, Oregon State, Oregon, Washington State, Washington were a bigger rival. Yes. Those are gone. They're Mountain West. It doesn't matter anymore. And it won't with every passing year. And Oregon and Washington will probably grow in power and popularity that game.

Certainly in relevance. Yeah, I would say 2X every year. It'll get bigger and bigger. but the Notre Dame thing's separate because eventually are you an agreement that both these conferences, or I guess where football is going to end is like two conferences like the AFC and the NIC, Big Ten, C. So Notre Dame, the regional is going to end up in the Big Ten with USC. And they'll eventually play each other.

So to me, that is separate from Wick and Riley, who is going into his third year. And I heard you talk about Notre Dame. I haven't heard you address this. Are you in agreement? It's embarrassing for this story to come out because Brian Kelly. a lot like Lincoln Riley, both going into year three, both losing their quarterback, both do defensive coordinators. I looked at LSU's schedule.

They also play UCLA this year, and they add Oklahoma. They play Alabama every year. Ole Miss is the top 10 program. For Lincoln to beg to get out of that game. A couple weeks ago, I played golf. And I didn't know this, but on whole four, one guy had a USC towel on his bag. And I started talking to one of the guys, he's like, you know, he played, he was in Reggie Bush's recruiting classes, was on that USC team for five years.

So obviously we start talking over the course of the round. And this guy was like a role player. He played on these teams. And he brought up a point if we would have in the 05 would have practiced against that team, we would have hurt guys. And I said USC getting out of this game. One of the reasons we all were so excited for Lincoln to come here, $120 million bringing like USC back, right, to be a power house.

And then two years later he's begging to get out of Illinois. He's not playing in Baton Rouge. They're playing in Vegas. But I think we all know it's going to be a tough spot for him. Yeah. But he can't say, our schedule is harder. Well, so's theirs. And it's where I respect Brian Kelly.

Like, no, we're playing that game. I played Florida State the last two years. I got my ass kick last year, remember, opening weekend. But like I watched the clip with you and Feldman, you could lose several games now. Yeah. You could probably, nine and three, there were going to be a couple of nine. Well, USC gets a break. They don't face.

You agree. It's a bad look, though, for Lincoln Riley. to want out of that game. The Notre Dame thing's separate. Well, what's his beat? Why doesn't he, he's in year three, Colin. This isn't year one. He's had three years to build this thing.

So let me, let me defend. This is something I've talked about behind the scenes with coaches. So when you leave, what I would call sort of middle of the night leaving for a new job, like Sabin at Michigan State, whoever wants to come, get on the plane, right? Like this happens in college football. Lane Kiffin, Tennessee to USC. So what you usually do is you go to your. staff and you say, you call them late. You got a plane lined up. Guys, I'm going in 90 minutes,

meet at the airport. And you take whoever comes on the staff. I think deep down, Lincoln didn't think Alex Grinch was great and was disappointed with him. And Alex knew he was in trouble if there was a new coach. So Alex got on the plane. But when the guys get on the plane, you got to give him two years. You can't just say after eight games, you're not it. So Lincoln felt this incredible loyalty to somebody I think he would have moved off of. And so Grinch probably thought, I don't have Lincoln to support me. I'm getting canned. I'm getting on that plane. And so I think this is the first year where Lincoln really, really thinks he has an elite staff. So that's first of all. They've been overcoming some of this staff stuff, loyalty to positions.

They don't really want to be loyal to. The second thing is, Pete was in a different time. There was no NFL, much more tribal USC following. The market was different. You didn't have a conference championship game, semifinal games. If you won the Pac-12 and looked good, you're playing for a Natty. It's hard. And I don't think Denver West, you have the defensive front-sexuals.

personnel of the South and Texas and Georgia. So I think between Alex Grinch and the reality is, we've got a lot of quarterbacks receivers' corners out here, maybe an edge rusher. We don't have a lot of bigs. We just don't. I think it's been a tougher lift than Lincoln, Riley, on the defensive side,

than he realized it was good. I think he thought he would just outsmart and outscore everybody. He did that his first year. He did. If they beat Tulane, they were leading late. If they beat Tulane, we look at year one and go, shit, they won 12 games with two NFL players. That's impressive. So then the second year, I don't think you'd look at it the same.

But that two lane loss just was horrific. And so my takeaway is he doesn't want to say it publicly, but they feel like they're playing catch up defensively in this program. But, and I'm not expecting Lincoln, especially at this point, to look like. like the 05 Trojans. I think they'll win eight games this year. But they also, six is on the table, right? If things get weird, would you agree? I think, yeah, if Miller Moss is as bad as he was in the spring game, six is on the table. Brian Kelly has a new defensive coordinator, too. He fired his guy because they were historically poor. And I'm with you on Pete, but I remember, and the internet and the world was not the same, obviously, in 0405, 06. Pete was going all over the

country to recruit. Yeah. And I just wonder, and I've said this for a while, I like Lincoln. I met him a couple times. He came on this podcast a couple years ago. But I do think, I said this to you last year, and I just think big picture of something to watch, like small town, Texas guy, this U.S. thing's kind of a different animal. Would Lincoln have more success, you know, at the University of Texas or back at

Oklahoma? Obviously, he's more suited that. This story comes out. Every, all the people behind USC viewed him as like going to get back to the peat days and be We're not scared to anybody. Kind of the way Kirby Smart acts or Jim Harbaugh acts. And obviously, I'm not saying all these programs, play people. But once it's on the schedule, Brian Kelly is a good example.

Like, he wasn't scared. And his schedule's not easy. Yeah. But he knows he can go out west and recruit. So I just think that, I don't know, it's a pretty big red and black for me. And I understand that they're an underdog, right? They're six point underdog. Like, most people think they're going to get their ass kicked.

Yeah. But this is, if this was, this is year three. Yeah. So it's now the game's different. NIL, the portal. But I'd say shouldn't USC, you know better than me, have the money to just be going toe to toe to with Texas and Ohio State or do they not? No, no. Georgia, Texas and Ohio State and Oregon's fourth have sort of separated mostly from the country on NIL. I think USC's collective is better now. UCLA's is terrible. It's a joke. Like they can't. They'll do fine in basketball where you need. I've been told $4 million you can win a national championship. Football, you may need 12. I think USC is closer to seven and a half. UCLA's at major trouble going to the Big Ten.

Would you agree? Here's what's fine. Yes. Now, the good news is they're going to fill the Rose Bowl a few times with your Wisconsin's, Nebraska's, Iowa, it will make, they'll. Penn State. Yep. They're the big winner in this because Oregon, Washington don't need road fans.

USC does a little. UCLA is desperate for him. So UCLA, it's a windfall economically from 30 million and an empty Rose Bowl annually to like 70 million and a full Rose Bowl four times. UCLA is going to pay some bills. But they are, they're going to have to just live off high school players or grabbing these sort of like the best player on Yale or Toledo.

And those guys, by the way, Wyoming, they're okay. They're not NFL guys, but they're okay. You can have four or five in your roster. I think the big winner in this of all these schools, I think the big winner will be Oregon, because next to Ohio, except Ohio State, they can go toe-to-to-n-I-L with anybody, and I think Oregon will look big.

Jedfish will win at Washington. I don't think he's Kalin-Dabor, who I think is the best new coach I've seen in probably a decade, just in terms of top to bottom, I think he's sensational. look at his career record. He's like 120 and 10 coaching everywhere. I think Oregon's the big winner. I mean, is it fair to say, I mean, they have a legitimate chance to win the national championship this year, right? I mean, they're going to, Ohio State's

going to be tough. I mean, I think Ohio State. They play in Eugene. 15 million dollars. They get them in Eugene. It's, you know, Harbaugh leaving is a huge win for obviously the Pac-12 teams coming in, but also Ryan Day because that was not going well. And Sharon Moore, impressive guy, but it's, you don't lose Harbaugh. It's just the same thing. The error thing is not only that Michigan, they lost 25 NFL players. And they were all like leaders. And they were, a lot of them were like fourth and fifth year linemen. I mean, they just leaned on the Buckeyes the last three years in the second half.

Like, Michigan's not going to look the same. They're not even going to, they're not going to look the same. And that's not a knock on Michigan, but you can't lose like eight elite linemen who were sort of leaders in the clubhouse. one thing that's going to change in college football, I know a bunch of my scouting buddies, bitch and moat about all this, is like the COVID that year that year that didn't count. So you had all these guys that were like fifth, six year guys that usually would be in the NFL. It's been a little out of whack, right? Washington, I mean, Michael Pennix, and I like the player and I'm rooting for him, but he played in college football for about 17 years. So, I mean, those days are kind of, and we're just going to get back to the feel of Alabama, Ohio State having these second and third year guys being the core of their team. team and then those guys will go out of the end.

I think, and this is the thing with the USC, that story coming out, it feels like Dan Lannning would not have done that. Now, Dan Lannning inherited with Mario recruiting a much better program. I'm not disputing that. Yeah. But it just does feel like the ethos of USC fucking play wherever, parking lot, NFL team, who cares? It feels far, far removed, which was understandable when they were going through the turmoil of Clay Hilton.

But once you got licking, it felt like we were kind of going to get our swag back, and it feels like there's still some insecurity there. Listen, two Oregon State players will be two of their top four defensive players, a linebacker and a safety. They'll be two of their four to five best defensive players, Oregon State guys. So that's a- They've been good the last couple years. No, yeah, John is it? But I hear, I hear you. Yeah, that's not the way it works, usually. You're not going to take a Kentucky football player, two of them transfer to Georgia, and they're two of their best defensive.

defensive players. And the other kid, who may be their best defensive players, a UCLA defensive back. So it's, yeah, they're playing catch up. I will say, though, I've loved college football forever. I gave it about, I gave it a rest for about seven years. I really peeled back my college football talk because I thought it got incredibly regional with Bama and Georgia. And I just thought, I'm not doing a show for the South. So I would say I used to be about a 25% college football show. Some years at ESPN, I was 30% during the football season. I peeled back to about 7, 6%.

I think I'll be closer to 15, 18%. I just think there's a ton of good stories. My guess on what USC becomes, and again, their 2025 recruiting class is actually their best. There's like big bodies. My guess is if Lincoln stays in that 10 win could make it to a conference championship, but they'll be in the running with Penn State, Michigan, Oregon. They will not be Ohio State. They won't.

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Now, I'm not the biggest Chip Kelly guy. We'll see on that one. I don't know. I think the offense, but defensively, they've been a lot better. And Ryan Day is an offensive guy. And they have so much talent on offense. But the Harbaugh move really might have saved Ryan Day. Because his record is remarkable.

But you know the way that operation, you can't lose to Michigan four years. They got their butt kicked again. People would start asking questions because there's not a program in the country, and this would include Georgia that is spending more money, right, on the coaching staff and on the players in Ohio State. Like, they are spending the money. They're like the George Steinbrenner Yankees, right? I've argued their biggest dilemma was that they recruit at now such a high level at

receiver that they lost their identity offensively as they were so good at receiver that at practice. They passed more. You had to. Get the ball out in the flat. You got five-star guys. And I think Michigan last year had one receiver I like, but they weren't a great perimeter team offensively.

They were great. And what they did the last three years is they became Ohio State. They just pounded you. And Ohio State had so much perimeter talent. It's impossible as a coach. Ryan Dan offenses at practice, looking at Harrison, looking at these guys thinking, and I got NFL corners and they can't cover these guys.

I know Purdue can't. And so they kind of became, to me, a little bit of a finesse version of Ohio State, which played into Harbaugh's hands where he loves physicality. That's why Stanford started pushing around USC at the end. They became almost old USC where they just ran the ball. Even Luke was a physical component at quarterback. So I think my take with Ohio State, their image, their issue has simply been. They're so gifted.

that it's like anything else. Like, you know, if you had a great singing voice, you probably wouldn't be an NFL scout. You know what I mean? Like if you're giving, you know, if I was 6'8, I would have played basketball longer. I would have probably tried to really make a career out of it because I love the sport. There are certain limitations. Like Ohio State has no limitations on the perimeter. They're probably the most gifted college football team in terms of talent on the perimeter.

And I think it kind of what, it kind of diluted their. power game. You know, one thing you brought up earlier, I would say last year is a good example, probably of the 12 weeks in college football. There are probably four or five throughout the year where there's a lot of games that just don't matter. Oh, I know. And as long as you watch the one big game, you start looking at the schedule like LSU, Oklahoma, Georgia, Texas, Ohio State, Oregon, sprinkled throughout that you get two or three marquee matchups probably 80% of the weeks. So like you said, Saturday kind of becomes a little Sunday light, and we've talked about this before, that Sunday morning slate is not as good as it used to be.

It stinks now, because they're all in on Amazon, they're all in on the primetime games, and obviously CBS and Fox the afternoon games, you're getting a lot of Carolina-Atlantis, you know, in the Minnesota, Tennessee Titans in the morning. I'm not even going to talk about this game. Do I need to just have it on the background? Yeah, I mean, I looked at our Fox schedule last week. There's a lot of saints in that one-clock window. And I can only do so much Derek card underneath.

Yeah, I hear you. So you're hoping, for us at Fox and CBS, we're hoping that Caleb Williams and Jaden Daniels pop because there's a lot of Chicago-Washington matchups first window. But I mean, if you're Fox, you want to put Green Bay in San Francisco and Dallas and Philadelphia and the Rams, you want to put them late. So I think Fox will be fine because I think Chicago and Washington will be fascinating teams with these really high-level. athletic quarterbacks. But it was the first time I'd looked at an NFL schedule, and I felt the NFL didn't protect Sunday. I thought they gave, it was the best Thursday schedule, star quarterbacks on Monday, the Sunday night game, like that early window, not that they punted it, but they just don't care as much. Do you remember when Peter Schrager was Mahomes'

rookie year? You know, Veach gave him a little tape and he put it out there, a little inside, like, this is what's coming. Do you have any of that on Tom Brady's calls for Fox here in the spring that you've got your hands on that you can shed some light on? Well, first of all, Greg Olson was so good. I think it actually plays into Brady's favor. Like, he's really replacing somebody that was excellent. And so I think, yeah, I mean, in my career, when I've replaced somebody that's really good, Tony Cornheiser, you just work harder. You're like, Jesus, I'm replacing sort of an iconic Northeast guy. I think it'll, I mean, Brady would work hard regardless. And the one thing, it's never been a knock on Tom. Yeah. But the one thing,

Fox does really well. Like every network I've worked at, you know, when I first got to ESPN, George Bordenheimer came from sales. ESPN's ability to monetize every part of that network was really a thing to behold. Then John Skipper comes in. He has a literary background. He creates ESPN. The magazine gets bigger. ESPN.com. I thought some of our journalism, the writing, Bill Simmons, that flourished. You know, Eric Shanks, the sports president at Fox, He grew up in a truck. So the quality of production and announcing teams is really high at Fox, much better than the SBN, in my opinion, on average.

They had to take Buck and Aitman to elevate theirs. So, I mean, the one thing about Fox is they do, they don't miss a lot on, they don't miss on play-by-play guys and analyst guys. They just, they just don't. I think it's what the network does better than everybody because our president, you know, he started overseas in a truck. and you can, it matters. Like where you come from George Bodenheimer, sales.

Skipper didn't, I'll contend that Skipper didn't really like TV. He loved books. I thought the quality of writing and Grantland exploded. Fox is tremendous in terms of production. I mean, they took over golf and golf is really hard because golf fans are purists. People that watch it love it. And they remember Joe Buck did it. It was, it was, and the first year, Buck and Greg Norman.

Yeah, and the first year, it wasn't clunky. It just, you could feel it wasn't theirs. It wasn't like CBS doing the Masters. By the second year, I was like, this is pretty good. They had everything mic. I was like, I was watching. I think it was in the Pacific Northwest. There was a tournament.

And I'm like, it was. It was a Chambers Bay because Joel Clat was doing it, Shane Bacon. They had a good crew. I enjoyed it, too. I was like, they're giving me audio. I've never heard. This is, this is, you can't, you have to be fair as a critic, it's pretty good. World Cup.

I think our World Cup coverage is since, Now, I also think there's so many good soccer voices in Europe. So the bar is really high. But I tend to think is Brady will be really good because it's what Fox does. We're our big game production, college football, NFL, World Cup, NASCAR, it's really good. Yeah, that's a good point because Joe Buckley's like, who do you got in the bullpen? Kevin Burckhardt and Joe Davis, Mariano Rivera come out of the bullpen. I yeah I I I'm excited to see Tom because I you know I don't know if you saw drew breeze got inducted in the hall of fame and he was complaining that he got a raw deal and it's like dry watch you obviously no one dispute your knowledge of football and your playing career but not everyone like I always thought philip rivers would have been remarkable on tv he was made for yeah to me drew's much more made to be like john lynch running a team like i don't think it suits him very well where tom has he can play the corporate guy

like Peyton Manning, but you see him on the roast. Like, there's the reason he's the number one teammate in the history of the league. So I would imagine that first game, Cleveland, Dallas. What do you think? That's getting a 20% bump for the Tom Brady, just people interested in seeing what this is going to sound like. It's going to be a lot of eyeballs on that game. Yeah, and I think Tom will be diligent and thorough, and that's what he is. I mean, I know this.

Sometimes. CBS had a talk with Romo about playing golf. Like, that's not happening with Tom. Like Brady's putting in a lot of hours. Like, they don't, I don't keep track of it. But sometimes I will see somebody in the building. I'll say, well, what's that? And they're like, oh, Tom's in the building today.

And I'm like, it's like the seventh time. So like, and our, you know, it's, again, every network I've been at, like every manager I've had or GM or president, they all do something well. So he's getting world class coaching. And he's, you know, the thing about Thomas, Tom has been. I mean, everything is big with Tom, like commercials. He can't do everything. Like when he's on with me, I had him on, I think a week ago, I asked my first question. He went like four minutes. And it was fascinating. Like I had Chris Ballard, the Colts GM, called me two days later. He said, you know, I was just listening to that. And he said, boy, he's really good. You know, he's like, Tom's really gave thoughtful answers on this stuff. So it's, you know, I had two other people that didn't call me, but reached out in the league. And they were like, he's going to be fine. So I don't, I don't worry about it.

I mean, I also think, and this is not a knock at critics because you do have to write a column after his first broadcast. Right. If you're Andrew Marshand, you have to write a column, right? Like or Brian Curtis at the ringer, you're not going to not talk about it. There'll be 25 pieces on that. Yeah. But I do think the people that I look at in that space, who I respect, and I just name two of them, I think everything. I mean, I've been doing this for 33 years.

I've worked with all sorts of different people on the air. I always felt, even doing three hours a day, it took me about six weeks to figure out your timing so that I can talk. You can come in. I can feed it. It takes six weeks. Well, six weeks to me is 30, what is that, 30 shows. Think about that. Like, Tom has got to be good for show.

Like, here we go. So it to me, I thought, again, I thought Olson was so good with Burkhart. I always think Buckinghamen's strength was they sound like on the flight home, they're taking the same private jet home, having a bourbon and telling jokes. Like, they're like, oh, these guys, they like each other. I thought Burckhardt and Olson had that. And I think that'll be that chemistry thing. It's hard to develop. And it's, you can like somebody.

I remember, remember when Bimani Jones and Pablo Torrey got a show called High Noon at ESPN. And they were friends. And I remember calling somebody because I had watched clips of it. And I called somebody who knew both. And I said, do they like each other? And they're like, other great friends. And I'm like, it doesn't feel like it. So you can.

And again, it doesn't, it's not a shot at either guy. Chemistry's hard. That's why. That's why. In life, in relationships. I mean, you name it, business. Everyone. And now put a camera on and go, talk to 24 million people.

With a producer in your ear, a director, you're throwing to Aaron, a Rinaldi piece, pressure. I mean, I've said this before. The hardest thing to do in broadcasting is an analyst for college football because they play 80 guys. Second is NFL. Dual numbers. I mean, guys you've never heard of. But think about this. Tom will have to be, he'll have to talk 200 times.

between eight and 14 seconds. If he boots it once, that's all anybody's going to talk about. Yeah. I think it's cool that he just, and I know he got paid a lot of money, but because Peyton had the same opportunity, and he basically said, like, I don't really want to travel. I just want to do it. We got one of the two of them, and I think they're both, yeah, they're just special personalities. Like, I don't remember this, but when Montana did it and was terrible, I mean, we've seen a lot of guys do it.

Peyton Manning and Tom Brady, I would say they've been pretty successful at everything they put their mind to. And Peyton's a good example. I used to watch that when the ESPN broadcast was terrible. And then they get Troy, and it's like, I just want to watch the normal broadcast. I don't watch it as much.

But now they bring in Bill. But yeah, there's Tom's, Tom's got a lot of people talking about them. I'll probably that much. I'm excited. Yeah. John Middletoff, three and out, former NFL Scout. All right.

So I don't know how much we did. Let me look at my phone. Because I usually give us 55 minutes. What are we? Okay, cool. That's what we did. That's good. What do you do?

What are you doing on a Sunday night? Sunday night in the, uh, Sunday night in the off season, bang out an hour. Are you, are you going to the pool? Where will you go tonight in Phoenix? No, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go barbecue just in the backyard. I just went to the gym earlier today, just relaxing. Yeah, same thing. You know, it's getting hot here, Colin.

It's supposed to be 105 this week. You're the, you're the guy that said 117 is really not that hot. Well, that's a lie. I was trying to support that. It got 115. That's a lot. I'm going to go to Tahoe, I think, during the month of July just to get out of the heat. Yeah, they got some nice hotels up in the woods.

Yeah. Exactly. All right, buddy. Good seeing you. Okay. See you guys. The volume. Thanks so much for listening.

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