The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast - Prime Cuts: Al Michaels on Madden, "Miracle" Call, Mike Silver on Harbaugh 2Pt Try, Urban Flameout + Week 16 Bets

Episode Date: December 25, 2021

It's the best of The Colin Cowherd Podcast! First, it's top takes of the week, including a telling stat about Dak Prescott (3:00), and what Mac Jones and Tua Tagovailoa are showing the league (5:00). Then, legendary broadcaster Al Michaels tells Colin for a great conversation about his incredible career in sports. They discuss how he made the switch from MLB to NFL play-by-play (9:00), the first time he ever worked with John Madden (13:00), his future in broadcasting (18:00), and behind-the-scenes details from his iconic "Miracle on Ice" call (25:00). Then, longtime NFL writer Mike Silver joins Colin to discuss that failed Ravens 2-pt conversion (34:00), why Urban Meyer flamed out with the Jaguars (38:00, and the story behind Mike's book which became the new movie "American Underdog" (42:00). Finally, The Action Network's Chad Millman tells Colin if his week 16 Bills/Patriots (49:00), Saints/Dolphins (50:00) Browns/Packers (51:00), and picks are "sharp" or "square".Make sure to Subscribe and follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates and check out FanDuel for the best wagering and daily fantasy action! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Michael's behind the scenes look at Miracle on Ice, working with John Madden, NFL insider Mike Silver weighed in on all things Urban Meyer, Aaron Rogers, 49ers. And as always, Chad Millman, am I a sharp, am I a square? Week 16 NFL picks, but first my top takes of the week. We all know the way it works with quarterbacks. There are some teams that have great quarterback talent and great weapons, the Chargers, the Buccaneers, the Rams. There are teams that have very limited offensive talent, but great quarterbacks. Buffalo outside of Stefan Diggs, average offensive line, you know, could use another receiver, average backs.

And then we know there are teams that have really, really good weapons and average quarterbacks, Cleveland and Minnesota. I mean, Vikings have Adam Thieland, Delvin Cook, Justin Jefferson, and you're stuck with Kirk Cousins. Ask yourself this today. Couldn't I also throw the Dallas Cowboys into that? They no longer throw the ball down the field.

It's not the weapons. Their longest completion was Amari Cooper 19 yards. DAC and Dunk since the first week of November has once again appeared. Injury, confidence, play calling. you can't blame Kellan Moore, right? Everybody loved Kellynne Moore. I mean, Zeke and Tony Pollard aren't completely healthy, but they shouldn't have to be 100% to be able to engineer an offense. I mean, we know the New York Giants are an

obsessed tooth of a franchise. This game was fairly competitive with eight minutes to go. And I think DAC is getting into that sort of Baker Mayfield, Kurt Cousins category, where the weapons and the O line is better than the quarterback. Since the start of November, there have been four different instances when Dak Prescott is averaging six yards an attempt. And now teams are picking up on it. Teams don't respect him. It's getting worse. So, you know, I've said this.

There's a handful of great quarterbacks in this league. And because people like Dak Prescott, they try to nudge you. him and move him toward that group. He's not in that group. And with that, let's pivot to New England's Mac Jones, who finally struggled for the first time in seven or eight weeks. You know, there's only six quarterbacks in this league that whether they're trailing or leading, they play the same. Aaron Rogers, Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, and Justin Herbert. To me, they're the super six.

They're either magnificently talented or they have super. So many snaps at center, pre-snap, they can throw when everybody knows they're throwing. There's six of them in the league. There's a bunch of other really strong guys. There's moments Joe Burrow has some of those qualities. There are moments Kyler Murray has some of those qualities. But Kyler Murray has struggled situationally in two or three different games this year when he trailed and had to throw in a big spot. So it's not a surprise that Mack Jones struggled.

He doesn't look the same trailing. either to 24 other guys. Again, it's Aaron, Brady, Russell, Wilson, Josh Allen, Mahomes, and Herbert. I can't really tell if they're leading or they're trailing. But Mack Jones, he's a better version of Tua. And that's what's interesting about this league in quarterbacks, is that Tua's won what, six straight,

Max won what, seven of eight? If you have a great defensive coach, Bill Belichick, Brian Flores, and I feel like Tua is a lesser version of Mac Jones, not dynamic, not overly powerful arm. Doesn't make a ton of big mistakes, although Tua did have a pick six against the Jets. You can win a lot of games in this league. You're not going to win Super Bowls, but Mac Jones and Tua, you can win a lot of games.

Between the two of them, I think they've won 12 of their last 13 games. Great defense. Don't make mistakes. Win close. And so I've never really thought of the Patriots as a team that would hoist a trophy this year. But Miami and New England are proving. Even limited quarterbacks with the right defense, the right coach, and a decent running game. You can win 70% of your games in this league.

All right, a couple times a year I'm lucky enough to talk to Al Michaels. I've said this before that two or three broadcasters in my life that had formed some sort of personality for me, or Howard CoSell when I was eight, maybe Costas and Al Michaels when I was 18. And I always start saying this, Al, you were the best baseball play-by-play guy that I'd ever heard. Of course, people in Los Angeles, Vin Scully's almost Shakespearean in his reverence, right? And Vin really is remarkable. It's almost literature on radio. But you, it's interesting, Al, you made a pivot.

to football, my first job out of college, you did the Hawaii Islanders, I did to Las Vegas stars. So I was a baseball guy. And Vegas changed me. I could bet on football. I loved betting on football. And I became, I wasn't a huge NFL fan as a kid. I was a college football baseball guy. You made a pivot, much like Tiger Woods changing clubs at the height of his game, you were the best baseball guy. And you said, I'm going to go to football. And you were doing both. But that was not at the time, was there a moment you wanted. went, what am I doing here? Or what did you do a conviction? So, Colin, basically what it amounted to is I cut my eye teeth in baseball.

Yeah. Loved baseball. Did the Hawaii Islanders. Did the Cincinnati Reds, big red machine, bench, Rose, Morgan, Sparky, Perez, went to the Giants, B, Couped my salary for three years, went to ABC and did all 14 years of Monday night baseball. Before that ended, they put me on Monday night's football. So in 86, 87, 88, and 89, I was doing both.

But I loved and still do baseball. And I was shattered when we lost the rights to baseball going to the 1990 season. So by that time, I was already doing the NFL. I had done a lot of college football as well at ABC. So it wasn't a matter of voluntarily giving up baseball. I desperately wanted to do it. But I was in a place ABC that did not have the rights from 1989 on, except for a couple of years when we shared some baseball coverage with NBC at the old baseball network.

And that was it. So the last baseball game I did would have been in 1995 when I did the fifth game of the World Series between Atlanta and Cleveland. And I had a feeling that would be another one other game with Bob Constus at the park in San Francisco. Francisco for the baseball network back in 2011. But that was the last time I did baseball. And I truly missed it. I mean, it was a big gaping hole in my heart in a way. But then, you know, I just got used to it.

So it wasn't a matter of wanting to pivot from baseball to football. It was a matter of I had no choice because ABC just didn't have the rights. You know, it's interesting. I did a few games in Hawaii, play by play in Aloha Stadium. And our vantage point, and I imagine yours was similar, was like up. Well, remember, you did Aloha Stadium, which they built when I left. I was at a place called Honolulu Stadium, hard by Waikiki on the other side of the Al-Alai Canal. And we used to call it Termite Palace.

So that's what I did, my minor league baseball games at the term. The old termite palace, which was a jury rig place that they, they, They added like 300 seats every eight years and had a capacity of 20,000. It was also the football stadium. And that hosted any number of Hulibals and the University of Hawaii football games in high school football. You know, there's a John Madden documentary coming out here on Christmas for Fox. You've had a lot of great partners. And you, you know, you work well with a lot of people.

I mean, they put a comedian in the booth with you and you made it work. Madden was so different, Al, in that I remember once reading an article that said, you know, he hit you like a strong drink. He was just such a force of personality. Was it difficult? I mean, because you knew that you navigate, you've always been a guy that you navigate the play and then you set somebody up. John was different. There was a Berkeley quality where he just didn't do it like anybody. else. Was that easier or more difficult for you?

I had seven wonderful years with John, and it was, it was basically very easy. And one of the reasons was when John came to me in 2002 at ABC on Monday night, he had left Fox, and Pat Summerall was either going to retire or not be on the number one game. So it'd be easy for John, for John to come over. We had heard each other. so much. I had heard John do hundreds of games. John was always in the bus after a Sunday game on Monday night. He'd heard me do hundreds

of games. And I remember when we got together for the first time, and our producer, Fred Goodellie, who's still my producer on Sunday night now, Fred said to us, you guys want to do a practice game off tape and we'll roll a tape and you guys can see where you are. And

John looked at me because I was kind of the senior guy at that point. John's coming to ABC and I'd their X number of years. And I said, I don't think we need it. And then we walked out of the room and John said, I'm glad you said that. Because we both felt that it would have been artificial to sit there and try to figure out where we were in front of a monitor and calling a game in a studio, a fake game.

So I know when John and I made our debut together in 2002 at the Hall of Fame game in Canton, By the time I got to the second commercial, I felt like I was, I'd work with this guy for 50 years. This was the easiest pie. And we just had, I think, a genuine feel for each other's rhythm. And we had a great amount, you know, I had a great amount of respect, obviously, for John. I think he did for me as well. And it made it so pleasurable and so fascinating. And I've said this before, Colin, I think one of the great things about John is that apart from the game itself, apart from when we're

were in a football world. And we would just, you know, be talking at dinner. He was a fascinating man, extremely well read, curious about everything. And some of the greatest conversations I've had with John had nothing to do with football. I mean, he was a true Renaissance man. It is. I loved in the documentary, I saw a clip of it. And he said, he had never thought about broadcasting.

And then the minute he did it, he said, like he used to call all of us hairdos. And then the minute he did it, he knew it was perfect for him. So for a lot of people, Al, you and I remember him coaching. And I can remember like Jerry Tarkhanian, it was the short sleeve dress shirt, you know, kind of ill fitting. If I said to somebody, do you remember his coaching style? Do you, if I said, hey, what was, like Eric, Corrielle, Bill Walsh. What was, because I don't necessarily, I remember him as a big flamboyant personality on the sideline, yelling at referees. What was his coaching style, do you recall?

Well, it was pretty much what the Raider style was, too, you know, go vertical. And he had Kenny Stabler as his quarterback for the most part through those years. And they had a lot of speed, clip ranch and the rest. And they were a physical team. They had, either the Matusax and the longs and the guys who could, you know, you know, could be it up, basically. And so they were physical. They were exciting.

The Raiders in those years, I would say, I would describe their games as exciting. They played not only winning football, but unbelievably entertaining football. And you go back through some of the games that John coached. And those are some of the most memorable games in the history of the National Football League, including, of course, the, you know, the Franco Harris Cash,

which, of course, John has to live on the game. the other side of. But he, he was a guy. And, you know, it's so funny you talk about, you know, Jerry Tarkhanian and maybe the short-sleeved dress shirt. With John, to me, when I picture him on the sidelines, John was always, he had one of those paper credentials tied to his belt loop, as if he needed a credential to get into the Oakland Coliseo, right? But I love it. There was John larger than life, a guy who was going to go to the Hall of Fame as a coach, and he's got that little credential dangling from his bell loop. He was special.

You know, so much has been made. I mean, you've had just this incredible career and now it's going to be extended. Now, I don't keep up necessarily. I should do a better job of this on the trades. You are going to be, I'm hearing rumors about Thursday night football. Is that done officially? No, it's not done. I mean, it's, I know what's out there is my deal ends after the Super Bowl.

Okay. in in February. And NBC is going to be very involved in the production of the Thursday night games, at least initially. So there's a little bit of a blending there. Sure. So I don't know exactly what's going to happen. And I've been able to, this year, Colin, really kept it over on the side because I'm enjoying this year so much. The games have been great.

Love the people I work with. Just love them to death. The greatest true ever. And I'm so fortunate. And if you begin to think about other stuff, I think it takes away from the joy of what's going on at this point. And I hear people like Aaron Rogers talking about savoring the moments. And you savor them when they happen.

And I want to enjoy this year. And we've got the Super Bowl coming up. And we're doing two other playoff games. And week 18, there's so much to, it's happened this year and look forward to, to that if I start to drift over to what will happen next year, I don't want to go there. I will say this.

I love doing this and I have no intention not to be doing football next year. I do want to do it. Yeah. Well, you do a pretty good job. Yeah, let's just say that. I think you're pretty good at the whole damn thing. So Musburger told me this once. So I was in the back of a car.

We were getting driven to an event. We were doing together for Toyota, if I recall. And, you know, Brent, like you, when you hear a broadcaster, and then you sit next to him in a car, you're at dinner with them. You know, it's really funny. And I could hear Brent three feet from me. I just was waiting for him to say,

you're looking live at the steering wheel. And I asked him, I said, Jesus, Brent, you live in Billings or something. You got a game in Madison, Wisconsin. Do you ever just look at your schedule? And it's just overwhelming. He goes, Colin, the next game is the only game

I know. And I thought, that's the way to do it. Don't look at my schedule. What's the next day I'm broadcasting? And that's very much what I'm thinking about in terms of this year. I want to just soak all of the pleasure I can out of this year. Next year will be next year. As I say, you know, God willing, I say healthy.

I love what I do. And if the brain continues to, you know, work in some semblance to, you know, of normalcy. Yeah, I do want to do it. I love doing it. I've always loved sports. I've been a sports fan since my father walked me to the Ebis Field when I was six years old. And, you know, I've never lost my love and passion for sports ever.

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But I was trying to explain to somebody the other day. I said, there's one moment in my life. that I would love for somebody to explain to me, that I wish I was there, and you were. And I remember watching the 30 for 30 from the Russian perspective on Miracle on Ice. Right. And Russian players saying, and this was a hearty group saying, we were scared. And Al, we know about your call with you and Ken Dryden. take me to the environment, an hour before, an hour and a half before.

Is it unique in your experience? Because it's a fairly small venue. Is it an all your NBA finals and all your games? Did it feel unique as a moment in time? Well, you have to start with before the Olympics. What did you expect? And the expectation was that the U.S. team, if everything worked, pretty well would win a bronze medal.

The Soviets were the best team in the world, bar none. The Czechoslovakian team before that country broke up, Czechoslovakia number two, clearly. Three would be U.S., Finland, Sweden, Canada, Germany, possibly. Okay. So the best case scenario was bronze.

When I got the assignment, I was pretty happy about it, because I actually wanted speed skating because Eric Hayden was expected to win five gold medals, and he did. And that would have been, I thought that was the premium event. I know I wasn't going to get Alpine skiing because Bobby Addy and Frank Kippert loved the half-ray ski scene. And they were afraid of the bass. So that was out. So hockey, I actually, I loved hockey as a kid growing up in New York.

And I was the one guy on that staff, which included Keith Jackson, Frank, for Jim McKay, Howard Coasell, Chris Shanklin. I knew what all side of icing was. And I was the only guy who had ever done a hockey game. I had done one. So I get the assignment. And I'm happy about one thing. At the Winter Olympics, it's always good to have an indoor venue, right?

I don't need a park. I can go to work in a blazer. Now, the hotel in Lake Placid was maybe four blocks from the arena. So when it starts, the U.S. team on open, the night before the actual opening ceremony, the U.S. team with 30 seconds to go in the game, winds up with a tie against Sweden. Bill Baker scores a goal.

And it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, that's pretty good. That's not a bad start. Sweden was perceived to be a little bit better than we were. Now you get to the second game. We're playing Czechoslovakia, and we killed them. So it's like, wait a second. What's happening here? US wins seven to three.

now they go, they beat Norway, they beat Romania, they beat Germany. So now they get to the medal round. And it's like, okay, they're going to play the Soviets, but they're going to get killed. And Ken Dreyden and I had, we'd been to the Soviet Union, we had watched that Soviet team play six or seven games. We'd watch them in the Olympics. They just toyed with teams. And the conversation that Kenny and I had, as we walked to the arena, probably at about 2 o'clock of the the afternoon.

He said, the game started at 5, so we're walking over to the arena. And I remember saying to Dryden, you know, if it's only like 3-1, midway through the second period, it sounds close enough to keep an audience for a while. So now, the U.S. falls behind quickly, one-nothing, look out, tie the game, fall behind 2-1, Mark Johnson gets the goal at the horn at the end of the first period. It's like, whoa. The second period is dominated by the show. So now it's three, two.

So we're in the game. So this is much better than anybody anticipated. And then, of course, when the U.S. ties the game, 3-3, and then Arruzioni scores with 10 minutes to go. That was just insanity. And I remember thinking, I just had to stay in the game, to stay in the moment, because now the crowd is going crazy. And we're on like a ransackled platform in the front of what would be the second level, the balcony. smaller reading, like 7 or 8,000 Cs. And it's shaking, it's going back and forth and up and down because there's so much

stopping of feet and screaming. And of course, the truck is going crazy too. I got the producer in my ear screaming his guts out at me. And all I'm thinking about is pan, like a horse with blinkers, straight ahead, called again, called again, call the game, call the game, call the game. And I'm doing it. And now I'm thinking, US has a 4-3 lead. I mean, whoa.

And now you want the clock to get to zero, but the clock looks like it's in quicksand. You keep looking at up with the clock. The clock is like six minutes and 12 seconds. Next time you look up, you're hoping it's like four minutes, but it's like 602. So I mean, only 10 seconds have gone by. And so now it goes out of the end. Jim Craig's making some great saves. The U.S. team.

I mean, it's phenomenal what Craig did, the U.S. goalie. And as the game is coming to its conclusion, People said to me, did you think about that? Because I think about it. I thought that the Soviets would win the game 10.2. The puck came out to center ice with about, you know, five seconds to go. And there was no time for the Soviets to mount a new attack. And the word that came into my head was miraculous, miraculous.

And somehow it got morphed into a question and an answer. And then I just let it play for the next 45 to 60 seconds, I guess. So the reality of it is, Colin, that I didn't know exactly what I had said, but what the words that came out were from my heart. It was like, this is so great. This is a miracle. You know, it's a sports miracle. You know what I'm saying. So when I said that, that was like the 10-year-old of me coming out that had nothing to do with a pre-ord.

Dane or thought about Lummies. If you think about what you're going to say, it sounds scripted. So, hey, listen, I got lucky because that was one moment in time. It was the greatest thing, you know, it's the pinnacle of my career in the sense that nothing will ever supplant that for a moment. And, you know, it's nice to be able to live with that as opposed to screwing it up and having to live with that for 40 years. Did you know within 24 hours it was iconic, the call?

I did not. Not at all because you don't know how long things last. You don't know if things have, as they say, legs. I didn't. In fact, I wasn't sure exactly what I had said. So the game is right. The game is on tape. So Dryden and I, we had to stay and do the 8 o'clock game,

in Sweden, Finland, in case the tape machine broke. So everybody else is back at the hotel. And when I walked into the hotel and everybody's in the bar, like 11, 15, we're finally done for the night. And everybody's celebrated and excited. And everybody would come up to me at the end and go, oh, my God, that was great. What you said?

I'm thinking, yeah, I kind of think I remember saying something about a miracle. But I had no idea what they were really talking about until they kept playing it back to me, obviously, at that point. And I thought, well, I said, yeah, I guess that's one way to put it. But it's also, Colin, the thing you have to remember, too, is that, if you're doing a Super Bowl or another game, you can't say something like that. Because the crowd is half here, half there is a certain percentage rooting for one team and percentage of the other.

This was the one time, the one time, when 99.999% of the audience is going one way. And the only people going the other way are KGB agents. Yeah, somewhere Alexander Solton Eaton was pissed off. Right. Exactly. And just one other addendum to that, Bob Verdi, who wrote for the Chicago Tribute, had one of the great leads of all time.

And then 84 Olympics, fast-for where we go to Sarajevo, Yugoslavia. ABC puts a lot of eggs in the hockey basket thinking, you know, can they do it again? Not that you could have ever recreated that to begin with. But we go there, and the first game for the U.S. team is against Canada. And they lose like five to two. Bob Verney in the Chicago Tribune,

his lead the next day was Dateline Sarajevo. Do you believe in debacles? Classic. All right. Mike Silver co-authored all things possible with Kurt Warner, which became the basis for the movie American Underdog, which is opening Christmas

day, and it's going to do huge, huge numbers. I mean, not Spider-Man numbers. Spider-Man like broke the Internet, That broke the movie theaters. And is somebody, Derek Thompson's a very funny fall, a very smart guy from the Atlantic. He said, Spider-Man making $270 million at the box office in this era of movies is like Pedro Martinez having an ERA at 1-5 during the steroid era. So let me start.

Well, let me start with this. I like analytics, but I do think there are moments that are situational. I think fourth and four is hard against a good defense if you're Aaron Rogers. So there are moments. You know, the Chargers before half, I would have probably kicked a field goal there. But the rest of them, I'm for it. I'm foregoing. We used to celebrate coaches who had the guts to go for it.

Now we kill them. But I agreed, and my theory on the Ravens Packers was this, Mike. That Packer defense was on the field a lot in the fourth and couldn't stop him. So I get a gas defense for one play against the guy who can score on script, script, I agreed with Harbaugh. I agreed with it two weeks ago when he did it against the Steelers and said so publicly. And so a few caveats. First of all, you and I would agree on this.

You have to decide what you feel before the outcome reveals itself. Right. So you and I like it and we like it regardless of outcome. Secondly, you know, that game wasn't over if they make that two-point conversion. There were 42 seconds to go and they had a timeout in Aaron Rogers. and you could ask the Niners, you know, not over. I would say this, analytics, and I'm not an analytics guy, I'm not saying I'm anti, I'm just saying I don't study it like I don't heard out on it.

But analytics would tell you to go for two, down 14 when you score the first touchdown. And I believe it has a lot, you know, the non-analytic way of saying it is you'd rather know first. And if you make it, then you know you've got the upper hand. And if you miss it, you know you've got to go for two anyway the next time. So I actually said to my sons who are big Packer fans who I was watching with, they should go for two now and, you know, at the time. You know, the one thing analytics can't tell you and that I trust a good head coach, especially a veteran like John Arbott, to understand is the psychology of your team in that moment.

That's right. And you can make a case that two weeks removed from that crushing situation against the Steelers where you go for two and you don't make it. And it made sense at the time with their DBs out. And now you've done something special with all your DVs out and with Tyler Huntley and not Lamar that psychologically you want to give your team a sense that we're still in this. We're going to overtime if we could stop Aaron Rogers and we're going to extend this. But, you know, I agree with you. Same with Staling. I'm never going to be the old, you know, grumpy guy who wants prodded coaches to be more aggressive and is now like,

you blow it in John Harbaugh, you, how dare you take that risk? And also when you have a mobile quarterback, to me, that two-point scenario feels different. Yep. And I said, you have a Hall of Fame tied in and Mark Andrews, who's a nightmare, disadvantage for the Packers. And, you know, it also matters. We're four hours into a game and the defense is gassed and we're just on the field and chasing around Tyler Huntley.

So all those situational things, I thought it was a good call. So I want to throw this at you. Most of the NFL was rooting against Urban Meyer. Most NFL people look at college football as sort of JV football. We saw Spurrier flame out. Lou Holtz, like Urban Meyer quit. Bobby Petrino quit. Most of these guys don't work.

Pete Carroll. had an NFL history before college. You know, Jimmy Johnson, even though he hadn't been to the NFL, had gone to camps, wanted to be an NFL guy. Urban had told me. Harbaugh was really an NFL guy. Yes. Yeah.

So Urban told me a year ago, a year before he took the job, he goes, I never even watched the NFL. And I remember telling one of my bosses at Fox. I'm like, when I heard rumors he would go to the NFL, I'm like, he doesn't have any contacts. Like, you got to have contacts. So I thought Jack,

Jacksonville was the perfect place for him. If he was going to succeed, it's a college town. I'm like, this is perfect. He's got a fan base built in. He's got Trevor Lawrence. It's a goofy division. There's no dominant quarterback. And then it just unraveled.

Are you surprised? His mistakes were so collegiate and so dumb. The Iowa strength coach, Tebow. Like, you're probably not surprised by any of it. Well, I'm surprised by the just complete trainer. element of it. And the mistakes were collegiate, but they were arrogant. And so I would say, I think people in the media and people in the business are, you say, rooting for. I think our guards are up for different reasons. I think in the media, we say these people are used to being

emperor. And it's the same thing I think media people think when a Belichick disciple who thinks if you just act like Bill, you will win, comes in. It's the same. It's, you know, famously Nick Saban while he was at the Dolphins, one morning came in and a woman who worked outside of football, saw him and said, oh, your hair looks good, coach. He had gotten a haircut. A memo went out later that day that said, you are not to speak to Coach Sabin unless

he addresses you first unless you're in football. So it's that sense. that these guys are so used to being in charge, and they just can't handle the heat, whether it's media questioning or, hey, your hair looks good. So that's one side of it. And Urban, that certainly seemed to apply to him. But I think coaches and personnel, people and people in the business,

that this goes back to what you talked about, their guards are up for other reasons. Now, when Tebow Mania was happening in the NFL, I remember a very respected personnel guy in the NFL. One of the top GMs at the time called me and said, you see this Urban Meyer quote? And I said, huh, he said, he just said that the reason Tim Tebow hasn't succeeded in the NFL is that nobody has understood how to use it.

And he was like, really, you really think you know how to use Tim Tebow, but no one in the NFL, these coaches, has figured it out. And this might have been after Tebow Mania when he was watching out or before. And so I think there's also that whole, yeah, he doesn't have any contacts. He doesn't really watch the NFL. But he came in thinking, like, I mean, how hard could it be? And I think Spurrier had a little element of that. By the way, by the way, Charlie Weiss from the NFL to college had that at Notre Dame.

Right, right. And Harbaugh knew how hard it was because he, was Captain Cubback and understood it. So I think, you know, that's part of what you saw. And from what I reported in early October and what I was told is that he came in in that building disparaging other coaches, the players, the NFL in general, ripping the league. And so I think you add that to the bucket. But with all of that said, yeah, I'm surprised.

The guy won a ton of games. He was really good coach at Utah. He was a champion coach at Florida and Ohio State. And, you know, you would think that you would at least take a team with Trevor Lawrence and, you know, some enthusiasm and some accomplished coaches on that staff and make them a little more competitive. All right. The movie is called American Underdog. It opens Christmas Day. It's a book that Mike Silver wrote with Kurt Warner like years and years and years ago.

And so give me this. When did somebody, because it takes a long time to get movies made, was it three or four years ago somebody approached you and said, hey, this book would make a great Christmas movie. Well, call it. It's amazing. So I have this framed. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.

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Open your free, Our Heart Radio app. Search Learn the Hardway and listen now. article up here and just happens to be one of the things in my office, but it's a, it's a sports illustrated, try to see it there. It's a sports illustrated cover story that I wrote off of Super Bowl 34 when Kurt was the MVP and through the touchdown past Isaac Bruce, and they stopped the Titans on the one-yard line. That was his first year as a starter, his breakthrough year. I had gone out and written the story in week four or five that had the cover who is this guy when he was just tearing up the league out of nowhere.

In the lead to that story, I literally say it's a, I say it's a story that has been called too Schmaltzy even for Hollywood. So I stand corrected, first of all. But it did take a long time. So, yeah, I always knew, like, this story is crazy. It's unprecedented in the NFL and even in major professional. sports. You know, to have a guy who, you know, there was family tragedy, there were other things going on, but he was literally stocking supermarket shelves at the Hy-V grocery store out

of college in Iowa for minimum wage on the graveyard shift and telling guys, yeah, man, I could be an NFL guy and they were like, yeah, you know, like you would expect. And five years later, he was not just like a good NFL quarterback, but like space age good tearing up the league. So it is a crazy story. And I guess that's, you know, I purposely didn't see the movie until the premiere. And I'm sitting there and I remember thinking, you know, as I watching it, like, God, this is corny, but it's the truth. It's faithful to the book. Like it really is that it is a corny story, but it's a nice story. And, you know, Kurt's great. I worked with them for eight years in NFL Network. He's a Good, good person.

He and Brett have been through a lot. They've done it the right way. And I think people, I think it's a nice movie. I think people like it. I'm going to watch it. You should be really proud. Yeah. There are very few sports writers in my life or media people that have done this.

I mean, it's a really big accomplishment. You should have a bottle of crystal with your wife up in Napper, whatever you very talented, smart people do with your lives in Northern California. You should be very proud of yourself. We're going to, I'm going to, I'm going to take your, you know, well-intentioned statement and turn it into a threat. And that's when you and I are going to celebrate with our wives at a very night. There we go.

You know, and we'll get some bottles of whatever we're in the mood for. And, yeah, no, that's, it's really cool. I mean, and to answer your earlier question, yeah, it got optioned a few times over the years. It's been a few years in the making. But, you know, I credit these filmmakers for believing it. And I know Kurt had a lot to do with how the story got shaped. And, you know, I know Kurt, you know, back in 2000 and at odd, he was very overt about his religious faith. And it kind of freaked some people out.

You know, he and Brenda are a lot different. I know they still are very, very, you know, have strong convictions and believe in, you know, some very, very good things, but they're much less eager to shout it from the rooftops. And so I think, you know, the people will find the movie reflects that. And I think that's by design. As a few-we-we-wean, we can in this time each time in fact-jury-in-all-19. Now, we have to ensure them more safe tools. We're doing the most important is

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Let's begin, Chad Milman. Time for Sharper Square. Listen, I have had a miserable year and I'm okay with it. I really am okay with it. I got my booster shot this week. I don't even have a sore arm. Omicron, I'm not afraid of it. I'm going to hit it head on.

I got my Christmas shopping done. I got to be honest with you. My life has been so good. This year has been so full of joy. I'm going to live with my crappy picks and keep doing sharp and square and I'm okay with it. Do you know what's interesting? I've had a pretty good year. I got my booster.

Things worked out well with action. and yet the losses hurt as much. Like, I wake up on Monday mornings sometime or specifically last Friday, I was, the Chargers plus three and a half was probably one of my biggest bets of the year against the Chiefs. There wasn't any point in that game where I thought, oh, I'm not going to win this bet until overtime, right?

Yeah. And as well as things are going, I got a great life, right? We sold action. I love my job. I love the people I work with. My family's amazing. They're healthy. All things good.

We've had like working with the volume this year for action has been amazing. The favorites has blown up. Like all these great things. I wake up Friday morning and it took me like 48 hours before I could talk about. That's what it does. That's what it does. It's the juice. We kind of need it.

It keeps us humble. It's the juice. But also like you, I just like to be. Right. And in this business we're in, we publicly stake a claim. We say, this is the side. And there have been so many times this year where we've been right, right? We talked about it. Last week, we talked about Colts and the Patriots. You wanted to go Patriots. I wanted to go Colts. And I felt great because even though I was winning money on it, I felt better that there was public vindication. And like, that's just part of the game. That's it. So Sharper Square, I want to take the Patriots minus two and a half hosting the bills. Why? Bill Belichick after a loss. They're back home. Buffalo still doesn't run the football. Buffalo will have a little revenge. I don't feel strongly about it, but it feels like the market's telling me at minus two and a half, not three, to take New England. So I'd take them, Sharper Square. This is a pros Joe's game. Betts are coming in.

on the Pats, about 57% of the bets, 61% of the money coming in on the bills. That tells you that the professionals are betting on the bills. They have this power rated at pick. So you're getting about two and a half points of value. You're getting, in Josh Allen, a better playmaking quarterback. You're getting weather that is not expected to be your typical late December, New England sort of shit show, for lack of. of a better term. And that kind of matchup favors the bills in a speed and skill perspective.

So sharp side is the bills, my friend. That's a good question. How about this one? Dolphins plus three at the Saints. Little overzealous people are because the Saints shut out Tom Brady. Dolphins right now are a more consistent team. I'm getting points. It's one of my favorite bets. Sharper Square. This is 100% my favorite bet. Totally sharp. I bet this at three and a half. It opened a three and a half. It's been bent down to three. It's headed at two and a half. Get it while you can. You should like Miami here. The Saints are overinflated. Even at that half point from three and a half down to three because of that win against the

bucks. One wise guy I talked to said he liked Miami. at any number over plus one and a half. So you still got a little time to get it, but the number is shrinking. Browns plus seven and a half at Green Bay. Cleveland is far more desperate. They get most of their team back. You know, Green Bay is an interesting team.

Outplayed by Cincinnati this year. Chicago stayed close. Had to come from behind in the last minute against San Francisco. Green Bay is a good team. Still banged up. They'll probably win. I'll take Cleveland plus seven and a half, Sharper Square. 99% of the money.

Not the bets. The money. Money is an indication of what professionals are doing. 99% is on the Packers. It's no surprise. The line has moved a touch in their direction. A, there's not a ton of faith in Baker. If he even is going to play, we don't know.

Miles Garrett now questionable with a groin he injured on Monday night. We expect regression from the Packers because they've been incredibly good against the spread this year at a pace that is unsustainable, but they did just not cover a game against the Ravens. So some of the air is out of that expected regression. You won't find a ton of pros supporting you in this one, largely because we have so much limited info on who will be playing for Cleveland. And one thing that they are talking about is that even if Cleveland does go full strength, they haven't practiced together in a while. And the Packers, like, you say they're banged up, relatively healthy, right? Like, they are getting practice time together.

They have been playing together. So you're not sure what you're getting in a Brown's team right now. I didn't know the Miles Garrett information. Why didn't I know that? Had I told me that, I would have taken Green Bay. It looked like he shredded his groin on Monday night. Like, he was barely walking. So I would be concerned about his ability to play.

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