The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast Prime Cuts - Bills Dominate Chiefs, Rams Keep Getting Better, Jury Is Out On J.J. McCarthy, Caleb Williams Is Coming Along

Episode Date: November 8, 2025

Colin's top takes of the week Colin’s joined by John Middlekauff, host of “3 and Out” to break down the Sunday NFL slate. They start with a dominating win by Josh Allen and the Bills over the Chiefs, give their JJ McCarthy takeaways after the Vikings beat the Lions, debate whether the Rams are the best team in the NFC, and recap an all-time great World Series. Then, Colin’s joined by Danny Parkins, host of “First Things First” on FS1. They discuss the strong start for Danny’s Chicago Bears and why every Bears fan should be happy with the results 25 games into Caleb Williams career. (3:00) and the great turnaround in Sam Darnold’s career. All lines provided by hardrock.bet (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates!  #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Well, tell them, I don't know if Middlecoff's going to the Hall of Fame like you. So congratulations, by the way. That's pretty cool. I appreciate it. Buffalo 28, Kansas City, 21. I looked at this number today. To me, this was really the game, is that Mahomes was uncomfortable and Josh Allen was really comfortable. He was. sack three times, hit 15 times. And when Mahomes, John, doesn't trust his offensive line, it changes the way he plays. He presses. He takes more risks. And I thought the game really came down to that is that I just thought Josh was really comfortable and Patrick wasn't. I just know this. If the bills can find a way to play like they do against the Kansas City Chiefs in the regular season, in the postseason, they will win the Super Bowl. because they thoroughly outplayed them today.

Out gained them by 100 yards. We're up double digits in the fourth quarter. I mean, it took a fourth and 17, which only Andy Reid would have a fourth and 17 play that would come wide open. But listen, that Bill's team that we just saw, that team can win the Super Bowl. Yeah. But we see them on a weekly basis not look as good on defense. The pass rush isn't always there.

Joey Bosa looked like, I don't know, his third year with the Chargers today. So I don't know where that version of the Bills is always because they make a ton of plays when they have to against the Ravens and in the regular season, I mean, Colin, this is now kind of a theme. Obviously at home, and this is why I've been, I've said from the jump, getting home field for the Bills is really big. And today was a bigger game for them because at the end of the day, like, Chiefs have already won Super Bowl.

I think they will eventually win another one. But if they get bounced in the first or second round one year, whatever, this year for the Bills, you just have to hold serve with a paycheck. They have an easier schedule than you. They keep taking care of business. If they would have lost today, they would have been out of one-game deficits, and they've already lost to them. So there was a lot of pressure. And in fairness, I thought they answered the belt. Besides a couple of plays in the second half, they were really good, Gollum. Well, I mean, and the other thing that's, I mean, Bosa is healthy. He's 30. Greg Rousseau is 25. A.J. Eponiza is 27. These guys are in their athletic prime, and they've drafted pretty well in the back end. So Denver is now on a heater. Denver's 9 and 2.

And now plays Kansas City next. And Kansas City is 5 and 4. And so now Joe all got banged up today, but the chargers are 6 and 3. So you get into a really weird situation here where if Denver beats, I mean, it was the worst thing possible for Denver. I don't know what the line is. I'm taking Kansas City against Denver when Kansas City loses. But I think the thing that jumped out to me today was, you know, we've talked a lot about the defense. Ed Oliver didn't play, but we talk a lot about Buffalo's defense all year.

So much of defense is effort, right? Like I was talking to somebody the other day about this, is that, you know, offensive players on a high school, they'll follow a coach. Offensive players want the coach. you know, defensive players, you know, high schoolers, they want to go to big schools, right? Most defensive coaches they see is the same thing. Defensive players are about wrecking things. And I do think when you take that Buffalo defensive front and they play Mahomes, they play differently. It's just a different, it's different than playing Michael Pennix.

And I've always felt offense is about choreography. But I felt like I felt like the defense. front today for Buffalo knew the red light was on. That's what it felt like to me. It felt like they played with way more energy. Many of the same players played above what they've been playing at all year. I just, I feel like defensive players can play at a different intensity level, depending on the opponent. Ten times they've played five and five. And I don't know, I thought that was the difference. I thought the defensive line for Buffalo was great. Well, can I piggyback off what you just said about the defense?

I think, and I've said this now for a while, that when you look at the NFL and they've tried to clean up the game, right? So now when you watch, you know guys are much safer, they take a very conscious effort to officiate dirty calls. And I think most guys now, if you're 25, you have gone through college in the NFL being taught how to hit, right, and not use your helmet. but I do think if we miced up defensive coordinators, like if you got the defensive meeting room on Saturday night and before the team came out this week and probably all week, fans would be uncomfortable what's being said in there, especially from the Buffalo side. And you could go around the league. I bet if you got Brian Flores miced up this week on Wednesday night, on Saturday night, it would make a lot of people uncomfortable with what they're wanting. I enjoy that and I know what I'm on. But I still think the way they talk and what they preach.

It still has similarities going back to the 80s and the 90s. Yeah. And, you know, Buffalo's front is really touted. They just lost that Oliver. The first round draft pick from Kentucky, I mean, Patrick Boholmes, listen, I'm with you. His offensive line was in tatters. You can't throw that interception late in the game because they never got the ballback,

you know, essentially, right? So it's like that was killer. And they just need some more impact plays on defense. We'll talk about the Steelers. Well, what happened today? They're high-price guys. especially up front, made huge play. Huge.

So when you're playing in playoff games, I'm sure we'll talk about the baseball game too. Sometimes you just need a random guy to make a big-ass play, whether that's a tip ball for a pick, whether that's a fumble, and obviously your stars to make big play. So, you know, Buffalo, Coach Reed and all the Brett Veets,

all these guys will tell you, Josh Allen is the best player they play. Yeah. And has been for now five years. I mean, he, because not only, he matches his play against the other randoms against them. And he's one of the rare ones,

if not the only guy who has consistently done that now for four or five years? Well, they were 60% on third down. They had 140 yards rushing. I thought, you know, and I thought it was going to be high scoring. And I said, I'll take Kansas City. But when these two teams play, you know, you never count Kansas City out. But I felt like today, this was Buffalo's day because Buffalo had lost at home to New England. So again, I watched that game.

The intensity felt different to it. day. It feels different in the stadium when Kansas City plays there. You get Nance, you get Romo. It just feels different. And, you know, Josh Allen, they had a, they said this during the game. 79 rushing touchdowns in eight years. Jesus. That's just insane. He is one of the things when I watch, and I feel this way, to a lesser degree with Lamar Jackson, but I do think there are certain things. I guess I would say this. I feel generally Kansas City has slightly better personnel than Buffalo.

But right now, does Buffalo have the right ingredients? Star running back, Mahomes doesn't. Better defensive front with more high-level guys, right? Chris Jones has not had a great year. So we know Buffalo and Kansas City have good GMs and great quarterbacks, and we know and he's very clever in these games. But a lot of times, John, it's units. You know, the two times Mahomes has been blown out in Super Bowls,

he had a bad O line. The old lines are both fine, although Kansas City has got overwhelmed today. But that defensive front right now for Buffalo, it reminds me, it just, there's just a lot of guys. I feel like there's just a lot of guys that play. Throw Milano in there when he's healthy. I mean, Josh is only 29.

he's going to have six more cracks at the Super Bowl minimum. But I felt today watching him, I'm like, that's, they've got it, they've had it before, but Cook playing at this level, Buffalo's got all the ingredients. I would say this, too, if Kincaid is going to look like that, that's what they drafted him high, to look like a Laporta, to look like a Tucker Craft, a Kittle, a Kelsey. So if he's going to play like that, I mean, Cook, if you had to look at 2025, you would say Jonathan Taylor's had the best year at running back, McCaffrey, is just week in, week out, bringing it.

And you would put Cook, I mean, he's been one of the best running backs in the NFL this year, and you watch them on a weekly basis, it's not really debatable. So you get high-level tight-end play, you get high-level running back play. I would say since Cook has become a high-end starter, it's really changed the bill's offense, and it's made Joe Brady look a lot better. The other thing is, if you have a good defensive line, the Chiefs are missing their star rookie left tackle, who's been gone now for several weeks. Today they had multiple injuries at right guard or at left guard and at right tackle.

Well, that means your backup left tackle is starting because Simmons is gone. So you actually are going to like a backup's backup. The domino effect was pretty big and you just saw him kind of under duress. And the reality is sometimes when he's under duress, he will make decisions like, you know, other run-of-the-mill quarterbacks and not one of the great players we've ever seen. And he did today. All right, Minnesota 27, Detroit 24, before we get to J.J. McCarthy, golf got sacked five times, hit 11, 10 tackles for loss. Brian Flores was on his game today. They couldn't run the football at all. So it was Amoron, St. Brown and Sam Leporto were excellent, but Detroit could not run the ball. And that's kind of the engine that makes everything slick and click there. J.J. McCarthy was, after the first couple of drives, he was about 50 percent, again, but I got two times. touchdowns ran for another.

Okay on third down. I thought he was very good in the scripted stuff early. Overall, he moves well. He looks, it's funny about size. He looks a little small to me. It's so funny. Mahomes is six one and a half. He feels huge to me.

Aaron Rogers is six one and a half. He feels six four. McCarthy, sometimes feels like he gets engulfed. But overall, I thought he moved well and played pretty well. Did you have a strong take on him? I think your take on the weight. a girth thing, you know, the size and thickness. Because Russell Wilson never felt like he was

small, right? Even though he's 510, because he's 220 pounds. Yeah. Caleb's a good example. Yeah. Shorter, but feels like he's 215. He's. Caleb's six. Caleb's six feet tall. I'm taller than Caleb by like an inch. One thing we said about JJ last year during the injury, and I think Albert Brewer and he lost a bunch of weight and was like 185 pounds. So I think it's harder for Mahomes for my home's right way to earn 30 pounds. So I think that factors in. The number one thing with JJ today were the good plays were touchdowns. So if you're going to count for three touchdowns, you could have 20 incompletions and have some terrible plays. It's when you're not scoring and bringing none of that to the table. It's just a complete disaster.

Flores, I thought, if you were going to give one game ball to a coach today, it'd probably have to go to him. Absolutely. You're on the road in Detroit. That was excellent. I mean, his guys were flying around. Gough's good against the Blitz. And early on, I think they had blitz like five or six times. It sacked him on two of them. Gough was all out of sync. Their offense was out of sync.

And it felt like he gave the speech, we're going to have to win this thing. Yeah. Because in fairness, coming into that game, and they kept hitting on the broadcast. I thought Tom did a good job. He said, there's no one disputing his arm's strength. But, you know, Burkhart must have come in late from the base. baseball game last night was there. Talk about a guy grinding. And Brady's big thing was, clearly he knows Kevin pretty well. It's like, sometimes you need to do a change up.

Sometimes we need to get some off speed. Sometimes you need touch balls. Yes. Because you watch, the arm strength is fine. But on some of these balls over the middle, on third and eight, and even at his interception was a little behind, his accuracy. Yeah, no, it was. Like Caleb, like some of these guys, is a work in progress. Yeah, JJ's interception was low and down. And it, and the Lions player came over it. No, that's, that's, Matt Stafford is the master of tempo. Like, he can sling it sidearm. He can throw heat.

And I think of it. It's just, it is a little bit like being a baseball pitcher. I, what I worry about what J.J. McCarthy is, and I felt like this with Brock Purdy. You know, when the Niners, Christian McCaffrey is upright, I don't even care who the quarterback is. I mean, like, if Christian McCaffrey plays today at half their yards, it doesn't matter if it's Mac Jones or Brock Pretty. I do feel with Kevin O'Connell, Justin Jefferson, good left tackle. I kind of feel like it's hard to evaluate JJ because the coach, the left tackle, and the receiver are so good.

It's like San Francisco with Kyle and Chris McCaffrey. And then when Kittles is healthy and Jennings can be, you know, highly productive. How valuable is the quarterback? So this isn't anti-J. McCarthy. I just think, I think, I think again, I think I just need more of him. I just have to see more games. I thought Brian Flores was game ball, Brian Flores. That's why I think it's fair for J.J. McCarthy, the bar of how he's being judged should be higher than a lot of random young quarterbacks on bad teams. When you play for crappy franchises and you lose, I expect that. Like, whoever the Carolina Panthers draft, I don't expect it to look great. But when you get Justin Jefferson in his prime, Hawkinson, Jordan Addison, Kevin O'Connell.

If we had a coaching draft, he'd go in the top five. So everything, and this was Trey Lance's thing, when you get drafted to a team whose expectations are, yeah, let's win 14 games and compete for the conference championship. You just get judged a lot differently.

And I'll give JJ credit in the Bears game. He had huge moments in a big time. Today, at the end of the game, with the game on the line, his coach put it in his hands and he delivered. And that's where I think a lot of his defenders go with the quote-unquote he's a winner. There is some winning characteristics when you're comfortable in big moments. You go back to that moment against Alabama, where it looked like Harbaugh

had this all-time great roster and he was going to lose in the playoffs to Nick Sabin on probably, I bet Nick would say one of his worst ever playoff teams. J.J. made some great plays. You watched his first start against the Bears, big spot, made some great plays. And today on, I thought they were just going to run it and just, hey, lean it on floors. They put it in his hands. Great throw, Colin. Not a good throw, a great throw. Yeah, well, when I watched him at Michigan, that was always my take. Moves well. Gritty kid. Didn't make a ton of big throws, but he'd make one or two NFL Sunday throws. He can make the big throws. So I just don't have a ton. You know, I mean, like, say what you want about Bo Nicks. I've got like a six game winning streak. And he's got a one-19 passer rating, nine touchdowns, no pick in the fourth quarter. I've got a lot of samples of Bo Nicks. He can have gaps. but late, he's really good. So with JJ, I've never been a huge believer, but I thought, you know what, to go to Detroit, you got the deal.

Well, you know, you win a lot of different ways. Not every Sunday for Brady was great. That Teddy Bruske crew, there were days that Tom didn't do a lot of heavy lifting. He was 20 to 28 with a lot of underneath stuff. So, yeah. If I was going to defend, you know, JJ hasn't been playing car. has, but definitely Caleb Williams. I mean, Caleb's defense, sometimes you watch the Bears on defense, and they just look

atrocious. Atrocious. In Minnesota, till today, they had been pretty bad this season, Colin. I mean, today was, and even today, it's not like they gave up 10 points. I mean, and they had some drop balls. I mean, there were plays to be made. Like, the defenses on those two teams, I mean, Bo Nicks, we might have just watched the two best defense of the league play each other today, right?

The physicality of Denver and Houston and how good their defensive lines. lines are. So anytime you have a defense that is that good, it does back you up when you're not making plays. But I'd say all three of these guys have one thing going for him, J.J. McCarthy now, obviously Caleb and Bo Nix. Making plays in big spots. I think when you look at Caleb and Bo Nicks, they've had a lot of snaps now in their career. Well, they also have Sean Payton. I mean, look at the coaches. Kevin O'Connell, Ben Johnson. Ben Johnson. Such an advantage. Such a huge advantage. Today's show is brought to you by our new presenting sponsor, Hard Rock Bet. This is that golden time of the year when it's not just pro football, NBA, college football, college hoops, hockey,

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is that whereas Philadelphia and Green Bay kind of struggle to figure out what they are, because the Dodgers are taking so much glare in Los Angeles away from football and should, the Rams are really good. I mean, we forget they went in London and they blow out Jacksonville like 35 to 7. Rams right now, John, are really, really good. Puka came back today. Corum played okay. They have a two-headed run game now.

They have four healthy tight ends. Jordan Winningham, that six-round draft pick, they have a six-and-a-seventh-round-wide receiver that can play a little bit. The defense is excellent up front. I think quietly, I mean, if you took, and I really believe this, I think the Rams are the most consistent, best coached. right now healthiest team. I don't think the O line is great.

I think it's very good. I think they have a great guard tandem. But I, you know, and I had this was a lower right-hand corner game as I was watching Kansas City and Buffalo. But Jesus. I mean, it was, I mean, we've seen a lot of upsets this year and a lot of weird shit. That thing today was a practice. It was just, it was just easy, peasy. And, I mean, Stafford at one point, I don't know what he finished.

He had four touchdowns, no picks. Jesus, they were getting seven yards of carry. Rams are really good. He was 3432 for 280 yards and four touchdowns. 3442? Yeah. The other, no, 2432 for 280. So he had eight incompletions.

I'd say the scary thing these last couple games is Devante has five touchdowns. So when you figure out that report to go along with Puka, Now, Pook at any moment, you know, you take some vicious hits. He runs guys over. You know, can this guy stay healthy? But those two guys are on the field right now, they're as good of a one-two combos, like in terms of production and what they bring to the table is like chasing Higgots. They're kind of unstoppable.

And the one thing with Devante, he's very comfortable with a high-end veteran quarterback. In his prime with Aaron, it's kind of starting to feel like that. Those guys' cohesion, especially in the, you know, in the red zone. Has Matt Stafford kind of quietly? Because, you know, today I don't think a lot of people are dialed into the Saints game. Right. But four touchdowns, five touchdowns. Oh, he's, he, he, I think he threw three in the loss against the Niners. He's got to be directly in the mix. So I have said this before. This sounds crazy. So he was better than Aaron Rogers in high school, and he was better than Aaron in college. And he was better than Aaron

for the first four years of his NFL career. He's been better than Aaron for the last four years. of his NFL career. Aaron had a 10-11-year stretch at Green Bay where Matt Stafford was, you know, he was with a losing organization and Aaron had the well-run outfit. What if Matt Stafford wins another Super Bowl? Now, think about that. He's got a better playoff record. He was better early, better late. If Matt Stafford went, well, he's already a Hall of Fame or now, right? Matt Stafford's a Hall of Fame right now. I'd put him in, yeah. Yeah. What if Matt Stafford wins a second Super Bowl? He's always been considered one of the best armed talents of our generation. That's indisputable. You could ask anybody, the Brady's, ask Aaron, ask Favre, they all go, yeah, Stafford's it. Where do you put him all time? Serious question.

Matt Stafford wins a second Super Bowl. I'm telling you, there's not a lot of guys I'd put above him. I mean, he doesn't have quite the gravitas of your Brady, Montana, Manning and Elway. But Marino's got no Super Bowls. He's got two. I don't know. Stafford is watching him this season.

Shit, man. He is dialed in. He's comfortable. I don't know. What do you do with him all time if he wins a second? Well, to me, it's hard. I mean, you could make the argument Aaron's a top five guy. You know, with Manning, Montana, Brady, Elway.

Pretty short list. To me, I don't think most people would include Stafford in the top 10 of quarterbacks. Now, granted, he played for the Lions, not the Dan Campbell Lions. Would you have put him right? If he has a second Super Bowl, he's a better armed talent than Drew Brees. Matt, yeah. To me, there is not, if I could get, here's the argument. If you could get 23-year-old Matt Stafford or, and start listing out quarterbacks, he would go ahead of a lot of guys. Because he's showing now, what if Matt Stafford had been drafted by a Harbaugh brother, an Andy Reed, a Sean Payton when he was 23 instead of going to the Lions who always drafted high, right? And

their two best players beside him quit at 30 years old. I mean, it's a pretty, the Lions that if you're a 12-year-old kid right now, you can't even comprehend this conversation. But I do think the time with the Lions, he has had years where he's thrown a lot of picks. He can be a little reckless. The way he's playing right now, though, like his ceiling, the one thing I will say about this, his ceiling is as high as any player. Yeah, ever. Like, he can go toe to toe when he's on. I used to say this about Cam.

Camp can have individual games where he can outplay any guy in the league. And that was Prime Brady, Prime Manning. Now, Stafford's a better player than Camp. But in that same vein of, like, if you get Stafford in the right day or the right month, he can just be the best player in the league. Now, I do think this second kind of iteration of his career with Sean is going to be a really powerful moment for his career. and he'll have like the Kurt Warner type, the individual seasons. I just think it's hard to shake that that lion's stretch because,

well, winning and losing isn't a quarterback statistic. Most good quarterbacks win a lot. Not all his fault, but I do think he probably developed some bad habits there. Let's talk some World Series. So that's about as good a World Series, especially game six and seven, as I've ever seen in my life. So, you know, I thought it was really interesting. You know, Dave Roberts pulled all.

all these levers. You know, like he just pulled all these levers and to win a world series where, you know, he puts in Rojas and then the out, the defensive outfielder in the ninth. And he goes with Yoshi again. Everything worked. But I think, you know, as I was talking to a friend about this, is that Otani, Roki, and Yoshi. And right now, Yoshi is arguably the best pitcher and Otani is the best pitcher.

player. Rokey's been moved to the pen. But these Japanese stars and Japanese baseball is like really high, high AAA. It's not quite the bigs, but there's great players. And it's a, the Dodgers have so separated financially from everybody else on, I mean, on the West Coast that, I mean, they always had money, but the gap now between the Dodgers and the giants and everybody else, the angels and the mariners, is that these Japanese stars between weather and proximity and how well run the organization is and the Dodgers are smart. So they said, listen, the only downside the taxes just defer the payment so you can get paid when you've retired and lived somewhere else. Is that a friend of mine in New York was saying, God, our teams are bad,

but I said New York is cold, it's intense, a much harsher media, the city tax. L.A. is spread out. You can hide. I mean, I never see, I was in LA nine years. I'm here right now. You never see pro athletes in L.A. You can just hide. You never see celebrities in L.A. And they're everywhere. There's writers, directors, star. I mean, look how many pro teams were in L.A. You never see athletes, ever. It's just so spread out. There's somebody gated communities. Calabasasas, Hidden Hills, Malibu. You know, everybody's got these enclaves, Beverly Hills, Bel Air, Windy Road. You can hide. thousand oaks. And I think the Dodgers

right now, Steve Cohen's got money with the Mets. The Yankees have money. They just feel like with these Japanese stars, and you know the other thing, John, those guys don't listen to our media. It's like international NBA players.

They come here, they play, and then they go home. They don't get caught up. They play so, I mean, Yoshi plays so loose in these big spots. He's so unaffected by the intensity and the chaos of the World Series. I don't know. I just look at the Dodgers, and I'm not sure there's another organization in North America that's run like they are. One of my best friends played college baseball and one of his teammates, you know, was like a fringe, big leaguer, AAA guy and signed a deal with the Japanese team when Otani right before he came over when he was alleged over there.

And they went over and visited it and went to the games. and they were at the highest level. And they said that it felt like an SEC football game, the intensity in the environment in Japan, the way these Yamamoto and Otani grew up playing. I mean, they make it right, when they were 16, 17, 18 years old, start playing in that league.

And they just said the intensity of the crowd would be like going to Alabama, Auburn. How much these people know about baseball and how much they care. So these guys, the bright lights, completely unfaced. When Otani was like one of 25 through the first, whatever of the playoffs. It wasn't because he was overwhelmed. He couldn't see the baseball, right? But the difference I would say of baseball, like the Warriors can't win unless Steph is

incredible during the playoffs, right? In the NFL, you could have a random guy make a big play in a Super Bowl or an NFC championship, but your stars, your star quarterback, you start past rusher have to come through or you were loose. In baseball, that's not really how it works. I mean, I was a Giants fan. Cody Ross in 2010 hit home runs off Roy Halliday that no one saw coming in Philadelphia. The doctors won the World Series last night. You could argue because they rolled out four guys they're paying and combined $1.5 billion to. Or

because their ninth hitter in the ninth inning hits a game tying home run where they were going to lose the World Series. And then that same guy almost falls, throws home, and then their backup center fielder who had been benched. I'm

watching with my wife, she falls out of her chair. She's like, what just happened? That had to be one of the crazy plays in World Series because it looked like he was going to basket catch it. And this random center fielder tackles him like he's Ed Reed across the middle and saves the game. But that's baseball. It's not, it wasn't no Tony hitting the walkoff. It was Will Smith, Will Smith.

Rojas and that big guy in center field. Yeah. It's, um, that's what makes baseball pretty unique in the playoffs. It's not just your stars. Yeah. And I think, and again, even when if you go back and look at the great Yankee teams with Jeter and Bernie and Pasada. You know, it was Scott Brocious from McMinville, Oregon coming up big. So, like, nobody had a problem when the Yankees were buying the best players because people understood that Pasada and Jeter.

That was part of the Yankee farm system. Well, go look at the Dodgers. They haven't missed. I mean, they draft. I mean, Max Muncie was released from Oakland. I think they traded for Blake Snell. I mean, these guys are available on the market. The Steinbrenners could have afforded to buy Yoshi. They spent $300 million. The Dodgers had $335. They don't win the series without him. So they identify who they want. They're aggressive. I think where the Dodgers,

where I see their money being an advantage, because Mookie Betts did not, outside of September, just didn't hit this year. Played a very good short stuff. Didn't hit. Freddie Freeman's more offensive. The defensive player and Otani had real struggles at the plate throughout the playoffs where the Dodgers have an advantage, A, the Asian stars, obviously. But to get a glass now or a snail who may not give you a ton of starts during the regular season, most teams cannot afford to pay a guy if he's not giving you 25. I mean, Yoshi's the only guy that never misses a start. Like he's a true bona fide ace,

like Verlander in his prime. You're getting 30 starts. They can go get a snail and a glass now. remarkably talented guys and get 10, 12 starts in the regular season and just push them off to September. That's the advantage they have. But you can also, lots of teams could defer payments and they don't. The Dodgers do. So yes, money is clearly an ex. But I think to your point, Yoshi was great. But there were a lot of guys slumping. I mean, if you go back to this World Series, the Blue Jays out hit the Dodgers. I mean, the Dodgers in game six one, I think they had four hits. I mean, they, they, they, they, they struggled the whole series to hit. I actually think baseball is much closer to football in terms of didn't the Dodgers? Was it two years ago? I mean, almost got beat by the Padres in the play.

Baseball, I don't care how good your team is. In basketball, when I got the Kevin Durant Warriors, I'm going to need Achilles tears and ACL tears to lose. Other than that, I'm a lock to win. Shaq Kobe Laker, some of these teams, it's going to be 90% chance I win. The Dodgers roster can't get much better, and it was really difficult for them to win. Honestly, they probably should have lost. You know, that's baseball, though. They won a World Series last year with really average starting pitching, and they won a World Series this year with a really average bullpen, which is virtually impossible to do if you're leaking in the back end. I mean, Yoshi basically is why they won the World Series. But I will say, having spent nine years full time in Los Angeles,

they just don't make a lot of mistakes. They don't, I mean, they let Zach Grinky go. They could have made a big bid for him. He went to Arizona. They let Manny Machado go. They don't make a lot of mistakes. And they've also let Cody Bellinger go. They've let good players, you know, leave. So money's obviously apart. But, you know, I mean, the truth is in the NBA during the David Stern years, money was apart, but the New York Knicks weren't winning. Some people don't spend the money as wisely. I mean, we know game day. revenue. The Giants and the Jets have much greater game day revenue than Green Bay. Green Bay spends their money more wisely. When I was working in radio, I got to go to a lot of the A's

really good then, kind of in Billy Bean's prime and the Giants were winning a bunch of world series. And I think sometimes with baseball, especially probably over the last decade, it gets overlooked because we spend so much time talking about these kind of the quote unquote nerds running the sport. I do think the best kind of nerds understand character and cohesion. And, and And one thing you watch with the Dodgers, it feels like all these guys like each other. And they got a good, I would say with the Blue Jays, it jumped off the screen. It was like, this team looks like a college team all playing together. The San Francisco Giants, you always have that.

Billy Bean always did a really good job of finding the right mix of guys. Baseball is about more, and you watch the Yankees. It seems like missing a little something. That's the knock. Like, at the end of the day in baseball, you still got to have some fast guys that can run. And you watch the Dodgers, definitely the Blue Jays. They got to, their best players are athletes. The Yankees are a good example.

Their best players all look like, you know, move like defensive tackles. It's like you guys need a little speed here. Well, the Yankees strike out too much. They don't play small ball. The Dodgers have the ability to, I mean, listen, Toronto hit the ball more consistently. The Dodgers had the better starting pitching. I mean, if you go back to the last year's World Series, the only time the Yankees competed with the Dodgers is when Garrett Cole pitched. The Yankees didn't look athletic enough, didn't run the bases.

Well, they're not a very good defensive team. The Yankees strike out too much, and they have tons of money. So, you know, I mean, it's one of the most thrilling endings to a World Series you've ever seen. I think game six and game seven, the final innings are the greatest, most drama-filled. You'd have to go back to the 75. I think it was 75 World Series. It was Reds against the Red Sox. It's that Carlton Fiscomber at Fenway where he's, you know, waving at it.

And I remember watching that as a kid. I mean, that's the first baseball memory I have is like the 74, 75, 76, Cincinnati Reds, because I was in Seattle. We didn't have the Mariners yet. And that's when I fell in love with football over baseball, but mid-70s, the big red machine, I fell in love with it. And that had, I mean, I can go back to that series and throw names at you guys you've never heard. But I thought the magnitude, it was just so, I mean, you had, Dave Roberts had to pull so many damn levers, you know, going with Rojas, Like old guy, I'm not even sure when his last home run was. Dave Robert said after his wife kept telling Rojas, the whole series, you're going to hit a home run in this series.

You are, and he's like, I'm not playing. I'm not kidding up. She's like, you're going to hit a home run tonight. So I just thought it was, it was just everything, the announcing, the imagery, Fox, the Blue Jays. I mean, Blue Jays over under was like 78 and a half. Talk about a team that just mashed and overachieved. Good for them. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news.

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Sure. They got the coach and the quarterback. The defense stinks. We still don't like the owner. The front office, I doubt. I love the coach. The quarterback's super talented. there's a lot they're not doing right.

But like a political party, the Bears now lead the NFL in big plays. That's good for me. And isn't it? They're a flawed team from ownership down. But they got the two things it appears right. Absolutely. There's no question. I mean, the one I always say, because it's a fun turn of phrase, is like,

the Bengals were the bungles until they got Joe Burrow. You know, the chiefs didn't win a single game with a quarterback they drafted since Todd Blackledge and then it was Patrick Mahomes. You know, so like it can change on a dime. And I find it to be amazing that the bears are fourth in rushing, fourth in yards, sixth in scoring. Crazy. Back in an explosive plays.

And everyone's like, is Caleb good? I'm like, and by the way, to be fair, to be fair, as someone who's watched every snap of every game closer than any team in the NFL, like, Like, they got, some of those numbers got fat against Dallas and Cincinnati, objectively true. And some of the explosive play stuff is running game based. And they've been much better running out of the buy, Washington, New Orleans, Baltimore, and then the game last week. But so it's not all because of Caleb. Caleb's not playing as well as Drake May. Caleb's not playing as well as Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes.

But if you told me, 25 games into his. career on his third play caller and second head coach that they would have, by the numbers, a top 10 offense and a winning record in year two, 100% of Bears fans would have signed up for it. That's what I always tell. Whenever my wife's, you know, getting a little concerned about our kids, I'm like, if I'd have told you 20 years ago when we met, none of them would be in jail, none would have a drug problem, we'd have a vacation home and a nice house, and our kids would still call us, would you have signed up for it? Yes, then don't worry about tomorrow. It's all good. Think about this. So my take is every NFL offense has a whole. Let me give

an example. I'm going to give you the best offenses in the NFL two weeks ago, what you thought. Green Bay today. They have no offensive identity. These are the better offenses. The Rams, Pookas always hurt, and Stafford has no mobility. Philadelphia, depends. on the game in the half. Denver, terrible offense for three quarters, every single game. San Francisco, bad old line, totally Christian McHaffrey dependent. Indianaapolis, does anybody like Daniel Jones? I just named the good offenses in the NFL. Right. Right. So the truth is we pay so much attention to offense, Danny, and I'm guilty of this, we nitpick the bears. Big plays, run the ball, well coached. Take it.

No doubt. No doubt. And I have, I came into the year with optimism, but with zero percent, like, they're a contender, or they're going to win the Super Bowl. So to me, this season has been, it's been a little bit of, like, heart attack inducing. I might say some things during these bear games that if, like, anyone other than, like, Nick Wright was next to me, I'd be like, whoof, that might get me canceled. You know what I mean? Like it's a stressful watch. But I have no illusions that this is a great team.

Like the defense is flawed. The quarterback is young. It's a new system. They've got, they've had serious left tackle questions. Their two best cornerbacks are hurt. We don't know if Jalen Johnson is coming back like this year. He'll come back eventually, obviously.

Like they're not going to win the Super Bowl. They probably won't make the playoffs. Though they might, we'll see. Because weird things happen in the NFL. But again, like, do you have the coach and quarterback? I can work with that. Because they also, it's not just, like the, they got a lot of talent.

I hear you talk about this all the time. Like, O'Doonsey is talented. Loveland is talented. Their right tackle, Darnell Wright, looks like a stud for years. DeAndre Swift is an excellent top 12 back. Yeah. Monong guy who has been great the last, you know, game and a half since Swift has been hurt looks, looks good.

They, they have pieces. they have talent and they are clearly on the up and up. And Caleb, he gives them a ceiling that feels kind of limitless because of how crazy the physical talent is. Like if Ben Johnson can actually get him to be 90% of what his talent suggests that he should be, the bears are going to be good for the next decade. Donald's an amazing story. We were talking about this in the show today.

I said, you see all the time we're a great actor, Tom Hanks. takes a bad movie, the terminal, and you're like, oh, Marlon Brando did that. You'd have, you know, on the waterfront and he had six bombs. You see great restaurants, lose a chef. They go from Michelin Star to just a really good restaurant. You never see terrible hot dog and a stick becomes Zaget rated. Like, that's not the way it works. There is no terrible to great from actors. You're either like straight to video, Lindsay Lohan doesn't become Meryl Streep. It doesn't work that way. Except Sam. Donald. It's not that he was terrible, then he became pretty good because Baker won a

playoff game and in that year had a 96 pass rating. He was never terrible. Right. I mean, Daniel Jones got a second contract. Daniel Jones won a playoff game. Sam Donald was terrible, but he also like, what did he have 40 starts, 35, 35, 38 starts? It wasn't like that large of a body of work. He came into the league at 21. He was so, Think about that. He came into the league. Four years into the league, he was younger than guys that were getting drafted. Right. Yeah. And that's, I mean, that's like, I think Trevor Lawrence and Michael Pennex are the same age. Like, right now, like, which is just like a weird, it's like a weird thing to deal with.

And so, yeah, like, to me, the most interesting part of this is, I mean, obviously the Darnold story is incredible. And I think Seattle's the only team in the NFL right now, top five in offense and top five in defense. We have to treat them as real. I did not believe in that Vikings team last year. I'm just not going to. I do believe in the Seahawks team. But I want to know what teams are going to do. Are the Colts not going to give up on Anthony Richardson?

Like obviously Daniel Jones is working. They just traded for Sauce Gardner. They're all in. They'll probably franchise tag Daniel Jones, I would imagine. But is the lesson that these teams are going to take from Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield? and Daniel Jones being like, we can't give up on guys. Like, we don't have to play them, but we cannot give up on talent.

Like, if we truly believe that there is a franchise quarterback in here, it would be, it would haunt me if I'm a Browns fan to see Baker Mayfield doing this. Or if I'm a Panther fan to see Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold doing this. I don't know how you go to sleep at night. Okay. So what a what a Baker and Sam have in common? Baker went to Cleveland and then Carolina poorly run teams and then McVeigh said I like him yeah okay okay Sam Jets Carolina then Kyle Shanahan's like I like him is that it could be

in venture capitalism it could be on Wall Street it can be in sports the smart take from the less skilled and the less smart is that the smartest people in the NFL Daniel Jones goes from the shipwreck known as the New York Giants, and Kevin O'Connell in season, vulture, circles, all take him. And then from there, Shane Stiking goes, no, I'll take him, is that there's a handful of super smart offensive guys. And they look at all these bad, the smart people figure out who can play and who can't. And by the way, Kyle Shanahan looked at Mack Jones. Shocker, Belichick didn't get him. Jacksonville stumbled. Oh, what a shock. Shanahan's like, no, actually, it throws a really good ball. I think we'll take him.

There's about eight guys in this league now, maybe 10, but eight, and they're really smart. They're with winning organizations, and this happens in every walk of life. They go to the bad organizations with worst GMs, bad scouts, lousy coaches, lousy coordinators, scouting directors that are suboptimal, and they just raid them. Almost all of these reclamation projects started with bad franchises and get picked up by the smart. as GMs in the league. Yeah, but the bad franchises don't believe that they're bad. Like, you know, it's delusional.

So you're right, but Sean McVeigh can't sign everybody. Kyle Shanahan can't sign everybody. Like at some, I just, I don't know what, I think Anthony Richardson's a decent example. And listen, Shane Stuyken might just be an awesome coach. Like won eight games and nine games with Gardner Minshu and Anthony Richardson and has a shot at the one seed with Daniel Jones, right? like Shane Steichen might just be the next name that we need to include with Andy Reed and McVeigh and Shannon. He is.

Right. That is that is certainly on the board. But then my guess is for two years from now, Anthony Richardson is still a cult. They'll just be like, why give up on him? Like we'll just, we'll keep him. We'll keep developing him. We drafted him fourth overall. He can run like Lamar Jackson, but he's built like Cam Newton.

like he's got an arm like Herbert like we're going to just see if we can develop in between the years and slow the game down for him. So it'll just be interesting to me to see if teams, like, instead of like cutting guys loose, be like, we'll just sit you for a little while. Like we're not going to let the Baker Mayfield story happen to us because it's just a painful thing for an organization to go through to like to see you you drafted the right guy. So it's not. And then he's awesome elsewhere.

So, like, the only, it's on you. It's just got to be such a shameful feeling for those organizations. The Volume. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick.

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