The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast - Prime Cuts: Calvin Johnson, Jr. on Stafford, Burrow with Coach O, Eli Manning's Super Bowl Memories, Super Bowl Bets

Episode Date: February 12, 2022

It's the best of The Colin Cowherd Podcast! First, Colin's top takes of the week (3:00), including why the L.A. Super Bowl is everything about what the NFL wants to be in the next 20 years, why the NFL should include the postseason in its MVP voting, and why any NFL star would be eviscerated for making the equivalent choice of KD to the Nets. Then, Pro Football Hall of Fame wide receiver Calvin Johnson discusses when he realized Matthew Stafford was different than the rest of the QB's he's played with (22:00), what Stafford is like during crunch time (24:00), what impresses him most about Cooper Kupp (25:00), and the moment he decided to retire (26:00). National championship winning former LSU coach Ed Orgeron recalls the first time he met Burrow (28:00), and stories from working with Pete Carroll and Jimmy Johnson (34:00).Next, 2-time Super Bowl winning QB Eli Manning discusses his pre-Super Bowl nerves (38:00), if his famous Super Bowl 46 dime to Mario Manningham is the best throw of his career (39:00), what he sees in Joe Burrow that has made him so good so early in his career (42:00), why OBJ has had such a resurgence with the Rams (44:00), how Matt Stafford's trade to the Rams has changed his career arc (45:00). And finally, The Action Network's Chad Millman tells Colin if his Super Bowl pick and prop bet sides are sharp or square. (50:00). Make sure to Subscribe and follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates and check out FanDuel for the best wagering and daily fantasy action! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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ever been around. Eli Manning was Super Bowl insight and Chad Milman with the best Super Bowl bats, but first my top takes of the week. So I was thinking about this Super Bowl being at SoFi Stadium. And years and years ago, I had a lunch with an NBA executive. And it was during a very woken time in America. And he was talking about how the NBA was really connecting. And And I warned him that I thought they were connecting to Twitter, not like the real world, 23% of the country's on Twitter. 6% are super users. That's not the real world.

On Twitter, nobody likes me. In real life, I see my ratings. A lot of people like me. So Twitter is not real life. But he was going on and on about how the NBA was the future of sports, and I needed to understand that. And I said, I actually think the NFL is underachieved over the last 50 years. They said they've embraced places like Buffalo and Green Bay and Jacksonville.

And there's a lot of cities that are not dynamic, vibrant, or going to be a centerpiece for the next 50 years of America's economy. And so Jerry Jones of the Cowboys saw this years and years ago. The story goes that many people inside the NFL were watching the Espies. and they were seeing Peyton Manning host it, and Jamie Fox host it, and all those pro athletes in the crowd. And many in the NFL said, we're in the entertainment business. Is Buffalo? Is Tampa?

Is Green Bay? Is that the entertainment business? Jacksonville? And that's not to say that there aren't redeeming qualities about Charlotte. It's a banking center in the South. Or Seattle, although it's geographically isolated, it's a very vibrant dynamic economic city. But what you're watching with this Super Bowl is the future of the NFL. A lot of crypto ads and gambling ads and Sean McVeigh coaching tree and offense and quarterbacks and Los Angeles, the entertainment capital of North America.

And I felt this for some time. What you're seeing over the last couple of years is what the NFL is going to be going forward. Dumb coaches are done. Young coaches are on the way in. Analytics, lots of gambling. the new economy, and Los Angeles has to be part of it. I mean, just think about this. Can you imagine any franchise business not being in Los Angeles?

It's the fifth biggest economy in the world. During the pandemic, when most of the economy went into the tank, the state of California had a $75 billion. dollar surplus. 40 of our 50 states need a check, a bailout from the federal government every year to pay their bills. In California, we have to write the government, the federal government, a big check. Now, if you watch news networks and listen to conservative blogs and websites, you'd swear nobody wants to live in California. As people in football have more mobility, the coaches, the GMs, the owners can move franchises.

California teams keep getting stronger. New York state teams keep getting weaker. I mean, Buffalo now is the best. The Buffalo bills are easily the best New York State sports franchise, professional sports franchise, easily. What does that tell you? The big city of New York, the weather, the egos, the expense, when people have choices overwhelmingly, they're choosing California.

They're not choosing New York. and the NFL absolutely loves this. They love it. They love the idea of the entertainment capital of the world having a Super Bowl and a great, maybe the coach of the future, building a coaching tree. NFL is totally been gearing for years ever since watching the SPEs and realizing, why does the NBA have all the stars and all the glamour? Why can't we have some of that?

But if that's the case, why did Lincoln Riley choose worse taxes to move to California? Bigger, broader, progressive, smart, the future of football, smarter people win. Offensive coaches win. Young beats old. So I think what you see is going forward the NFL and Jerry Jones, who's been training with the Cowboys, North of Malibu for years, I think what you're seeing going forward is the NFL's got a 30 to 40% growth margin going forward. In fact, if you look at the NFL's ratings last year or this year, the margin in which they've increased is greater than the ratings for the NBA finals last year. I think the NFL going forward is going to benefit from the explosion of sports gambling.

I also think the NFL much more than baseball is a much more nimble sport in terms of. terms of pivoting off certain policies, pivoting into safety, pivoting into new technologies. So I think what you're going to see from the Super Bowl and what you're going to see from the NFL going forward is smart, progressive, gambling, crypto sponsors, lots of offense, quarterbacks. And it's not that it's going to marginalize defense. You'll still need great defensive players. But I've always thought when people talk about how popular the NFL is,

We don't even talk about regular season baseball games. Go on Twitter. People talk about NBA plays or NBA players. How often do fans get into a breakdown of the games? We watch football. We break it down. We just don't talk about individuals. We talk about schematics and strategy.

And I think the league has honestly underachieved over the last 20 years. And don't tell me glamour. doesn't work. The Dallas Cowboys remain the number one brand, and it's not due to winning. And the most popular teams in my lifetime have been the 80s 49ers and Troy Aikman's Dallas Cowboys. Now, the Patriots won more than weren't as popular. And those two teams, the Niners and the cowboys were glamour teams. So I just like where the NFL is going. I think it's getting younger and smarter. I think it's getting more into analytics. I think it's wrapped its arms around gambling like the English Premier League did

eons ago. And I love the future. The future is going to be young, smart, offensive coaches, terrific quarterback talent, healthier players. Once again, we get to an end of an NFL season as they've cut back on hitting it practices, hitting in games. Once again, we get to an NFL season near the end. And these two teams are overwhelmingly healthy, overwhelmingly. I think the NFL is just scratching the surface. You know, I'm not saying I'd be capable of running a league,

but this is something that stumps me. Why do all these leagues not consider the playoffs when voting on MVP's? I don't understand it. If you look at the TV metrics, nobody really watches the NBA regular season. The reason, though, LeBron's got a great statistical advantage over MJ, but we cling to MJ as the best player is, six for six in the finals. Yet we don't count the postseason in the NBA's MVP voting. Well, when we define players, it's all about the postseason. I said six weeks ago, I would vote Joe Burrow, the MVP of the NFL, not Aaron Runch.

because even though Aaron's clearly important to the Packers, they have a history of winning pre Aaron Rogers. They're well run. And I think Aaron has less to overcome than Joe Burrow. Joe Burrough's got the cheapest owner. Joe Burroughs got an average front office. Joe Burrow had Zach Taylor, who was 625 and 1 before Burrow got there. It's not an organization with great continuity or a history of great free agent signings. So Burroughs overcoming more.

That's one argument. When you add the playoff success, winning on the road at Arrowhead, on the road at Tennessee, being out gained by the Raiders and winning, how are we not considering the postseason for the National Football League most valuable player? Who's the greatest quarterback of all time? Dan Marino is the most talented, arguably, and they won a Super Bowl. It's Tom Brady. Second is Joe Montana. Third, Elway. Fourth, Peyton Manning.

They've all got titles. It's one of the mysteries to me about sports. I've never really understood it. We define legacies with championships overwhelmingly. It's the knock on Berkeley, the knock on Dan Marino. Why aren't they considered in most valuable player voting? And I'll say it again. Joe Burrow means more to Cincinnati than Aaron Rogers means to Green Bay.

That's not to say Green Bay is the same quality franchise without Aaron Rogers. But he succeeded Brett Fav. They had Bart Starr. It's been the second or third biggest brand in the league since I was a kid. Cincinnati is the only northern franchise without an indoor practice facility. They don't make trades. Their business models out of the 70s and jobs. Joe Burroughs got them in the Super Bowl.

I just don't get it. I'm just without answers on this. When you look at Burrow and Aaron Rogers, who feels more valuable to the franchise? Is it even close? Cincinnati is a last place team in that division. How do I know that? Because if not for Cleveland,

they would have been the last 15 years. But now that Cleveland has a legitimate roster, they would be the fourth place team in that division without Joe Burrow. They're a little more than a field goal underdog in the Super Bowl. Aaron Rogers leaves Green Bay. If you look at their front office, their offensive line, their skill people, there's an argument to be made, even with Jordan Love, or a reasonable facsimile, they go on the market, they get Jimmy Garoppolo.

They still win the division. I can't figure it out. I'm not saying I could run a league. But the idea that we don't consider post-season in the most valuable player voting to me is ridiculous. You know, I'm watching the Brooklyn Nets essentially burn on the side of a freeway. They've lost eight straight. And I will say this, that I've always felt one of the underrated parts of LeBron James game is, his decision making. I mean, many believe the worst decision he ever made was hosting a press

conference, giving a million dollars to the boys and girls club, and choosing Miami. Now, the commissioner at the time, David Stern thought it was too public, too harsh. But if that's the low point of his career socially, I'm good with it. But it is remarkable. I think a lot of people in the media, and I understand this, the NBA is so stark. driven, that reporters don't want to lose access to the stars because there's only six to eight players you can really write about that anybody reads your stuff truthfully. So there's a lot of handholding, a lot of pandering, I think, by the NBA media. Can you imagine if Tom Brady in his prime with the Patriots would have chosen an injury prone, selfish, delusional teammate and left the Patriots

for the Detroit Lions. It would have been the most mocked, panned move in sports for a year. We hold our NFL stars to an incredibly high level. We're harsh when they fail. If Aaron Rogers just went for a money grab, instead of going to the Denver Broncos or the Steelers, well-run organizations with good rosters,

we would look at him as less of a guy, less of a player. Has anybody really sat back for five minutes that covers the NBA and said this out loud? Kevin Durant chose Kyrie Irving over a dynasty with Steph Curry. It goes down as so egregiously poor a decision. It's the second line of his basketball career. All-time great talent, all-time horrible decision. I mean, think about that. think about a football star.

If Patrick Mahomes said, you know, I'm going to leave Andy Reed. I'm going to leave this great franchise. And I'm going to go to the Jaguars because I can make a little more money. And I'm going to go with Antonio Brown. We would go, are you out of your fucking mind? See a therapist. The Warriors had an A owner, an AGM, an A-GM, an A-Couch, an A-star. He didn't even have to do the heavy lifting.

Draymond Green has always been the bully at the bar for the Warriors, the tough guy. I just look at this Brooklyn situation and I think, what in God's name was Kevin Durant thinking? I mean, I never thought it was going to be a great move. It's a disaster a year and a half in. It's an utter disaster. Do you know how hard it is to lose eight games in a row in the NBA? I mean, you can lose eight games in a row in the NFL if you have a bad quarterback. There are so many bad teams at the bottom of the NBA pool.

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So you go back to your Detroit years. First of all, there were playoffs. There were a lot of wins. Let's not just marginalize it as there wasn't success. When did you know, I mean, obviously you had high school quarterbacks and Georgia Tech. And then you get to the NFL with Matt Stafford. How many practices did it take? How many throws to go, all right, this guy's a little different.

This is a pretty lively arm. Literally, I'll have to say like, first week, if not the first day, I've never seen an arm like Matthew. I've never seen any throw on the field. Literally, nobody, no quarter. I'll tell you with Cole Pap, after a year during Detroit. I mean, didn't have a whole lot of, you know, quarterbacks that up. I mean, I think I said, on the caliber of Matthew, of course.

But nobody can reach the throws that he could reach. Nobody, I saw the grit in Matthew from the injuries that he had. You know, I saw the toughness there, the perseverance, you know. So just all around skill, you know, I still don't see anybody that could throw the ball like him in the league. I mean, there's guys that to throw the ball. But young Matthew, that guy had Ken. Sean McVehoes talks about sort of his emotional intelligence, EQ. And, you know, he's got a lot of come from behind wins.

What was he like in the huddle, fourth quarter, down four, two to go? What was he like, Calvin? Come on, guys. That's the void. You know, just come on, guys. Let's go. Hey, do your job. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Never. It's never this. Never to ups and downs. Matthew is consistent. And he can consistently getting better and better as we see now. But that was Matthew. Hey, hey, big guy. Like, come on, need you. Or hey, big guy, hey, you know, you should have had that.

Like, yeah, I know. I'm like, oh, yeah, I know. Should it should have caught it ball or whatever it was. You know, never is the one that jump down your throat, break you because he knows that we're a team. You know, we need. He needs everybody on that field to make this thing go. What is it about Cooper Cup? I always joke. I'm like, dude's open almost every play. What is it the schemes? Is it the speed? Like, why is he so open so often?

The guy, he's a great receiver. He has good speed. The slot, the lineup, the trips that they do or the bunches that they do, that doesn't allow you to get a good, you know, double team on the guy. And they cover him one-on-one. You cover that guy one-on-one, he's going to eat you up. And if they haven't found out by now, I mean, goodness gracious, go look at the film. Do you remember the moment that you decided?

Could have been a car ride home. Could have been a bad practice? Maybe it was rehab or something that you, could you take me to the moment that you just decided, man, like Brady? I mean, Brady had a great season. And there was a moment this year at some point. He was driving home to see his family and was like, I don't want to go back to work. Do you remember that moment for you? Man, that moment came after my eighth year.

I love telling the story because, you know, after. after the season's over with, you know, first thing smoking back to Georgia, you know, because it's cold, it's gray up here in Michigan trying to get out of here. Go back and sit on my dad's couch. I'm sitting there like, man, dad, I don't know if I got it anymore. It's just, you know, just talking to him, just like, it's not fun. You're like, what you mean? You know, just running around and playing in pain kind of just zapsed all the fun out of it.

I think I'm done. And he asked me a question. He was like, well, sat there asking me, like, you think you got one more in you? and I didn't say, I sat in and he was thinking about it, and he was like, well, since you're thinking about it, you can do it one more time.

So honestly, it's that eighth year. After that eighth year, I already made it in my mind. I was like, I just don't, I just don't, I don't have the love. I don't feel like, I don't feel like going through the pain

to do to get ready for this season anymore. It hurts. The fun was zapped out of it. I was done with it. I always had a disdain for the game. That's why I told you I didn't watch football after I got done.

I didn't want to see anything football. I didn't want to watch football. I didn't care. But, you know, I love seeing my guys, the guys that played with, I'm still a fan of those guys. So, I mean, it's football. I love football. So, of course, I'm watching now. But it's just at the time, I just didn't have any more love for it.

Yeah, I totally get that. I mean, listen, it was breaking you physically. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I mean, that changes your quality of life. Right. I mean, people that live in pain change your quality of life versus, you know, being happy, you know, having the things that you need to make you feel good, to be happy. your family, all those things. It's all about quality of life for me.

And that's why, I mean, my business ventures reflect that. This next guest is somebody who is one of the most colorful characters in the history of college football. And one of the things about Ed Orgeron that's really unique is Ed is so authentic to Ed. LSU is a perfect fit for you. I think you, I've said this on the air before. you look you talk you sound you recruit you feel like the lSU football coach but we know it's the SEC we know the pressure's insane you had told i think urban mire told me this couple years ago that you had told her and you said hey joe burrow that was bigger than people think we they were getting

on me i had to win some damn games you know ed before you landed joe burrow i remember it was your first or second year and you had a really tough loss against kind of a not a big program go back to that did you think you were going to get fired early at lSU you know when we lost to Troy Troy you can fill it and we got on a plane to go to Florida I pushed my turn out so we've got to win I don't know what would happen if I'd lost to Florida to be honest with you I don't know if they're fired me I don't know if I'd made it but we beat Florida And then we started with us of football games. And that took the pressure off right there.

So take me to the Joe Burrow recruitment. When is the first time you saw tape of Joe Burrow? This is an amazing story. We have a spring game. You know, spring games on TV, okay? And I get back, all quarterback play wasn't very good. And my son was playing in the back to East State. He plays quarterback.

I said, Daddy, we need a quarterback. So I know. He said, I was watching Ohio State's straight game. Joe Burrow is transferred. We need him. I don't know who Joe Burr is. So I had a coach with my staff meet Bill Bush,

who was very instrumental against Joe Todd School. Bill Bush was there at Ohio State at you the family. I went to a bit, I said, hey, listen, Joe Burroughs fixed the transfer. He says, coach, If we get Joe Burrow, we're going to college football players.

So, yeah, so we got him on a visit. You don't love this. He didn't want to talk to me. He didn't want, no, no, he said, coach, you got this recruiting game. I don't need to hear it, coach. That's not what I'm here for them. I want to talk football and I'm going to eat crawfish. We had a football meeting and we had some of his plays that he ran at Ohio State.

And we started asking questions, why, what, where, offense, defense, why are you doing this, why we call him this. And it took me five minutes to realize there are six people in the room, clearly me. Joe Burrow was the smartest guy in that room, off the charts, smartest football player I've ever been around. Wow. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's interesting, Ed. He has a good arm, but not huge. He moves, but he's not super athletic. I said when I first saw him, I thought he was a little time. Tony Romo. He had a little gunslinger. He was pretty twitchy. But, but, you know, he's not Mahomes or Josh Allen Arm. What is it about him besides the brain power? Athletically, what, what is it

that makes him so special? Well, it's his intangibles. It's his guts. Does work ethic? His focus. All those things that I'm talking about are off the charts with Joe Barrow. You know what? He's there the same day now. He's a little bit more athletic than you think. When he first came, I said, well, he doesn't throw the ball as strong as I thought he would. You know what I'm saying? But he's so smart and he knows what to do with the football. And he can extend plays with his feet. And he's tough. The guy can take a hit. You hit him. The other quarterbacks, but not an all quarterback, you hit him. They might want to get out the game a little bit. Joint Joe's like a linebacker. You hit him. He gets pissed and he wants to go for it.

So the year before you won the national title, Ohio kid comes down there. You were a good team. I remember he played a game against somebody and he got kind of the shit kicked out of him. Maybe he had been Auburn. He got hit, went out, came back. Was there a moment in the year before he left? Was there a moment when you felt it all coming together and said, okay, I mean, because it's obvious, coach. Ohio to LSU is a wholly different world.

Was there, did you have a moment the junior year that you said, guys, this is it? Yeah. First of all, we played Georgia to the number two team in the country. And we beat them pretty good. And we went to four, we went on four down and won five times. Joe had some quarterback's leagues. He made some great plays. That was a big win for us.

Okay. That started the momentum right there. But we played in a fiesta bowl and Joe Burr took a hit. It was a blindside hit. I called for Miles Brennan to get in. Joe is on the ground. And Joe gets up and he says, F that coach, I'm not coming up the game.

We'll now 14 points. He stays in the game. We scored the next three series. We beat UCF and win 10 games, which was a momentum for a football team. I remember when I was Pete Carroll, when we won 10 games and went to the Orange Bowl. Yes.

It reminds me of that year. I said, you know what, we've got us a team now. Maybe next year we can win it. If you took your best USC team and your national championship LSU team, what would the game look like? It would be one heck of a game. It would be one heck of a game. I'll tell you what, now, USA has some great teams. Reggie Bush and Matt Liner and the defense we had and the players that we had in LSU,

it would be one heck of a game. You know, I always point to the linebacking crew you had that Clay Matthews couldn't start. Remember, you had Maluga, Rivers, a Cushing. And then Clay Matthews couldn't start. He goes to the NFL and wins NFL defensive rookie of the year. Clay Matthews was a walk on. I got him to walk home. Pete Carroll called me when I was at Ole Miss.

He said, coach, you know, I can believe this Matthews guys. He's growing. I think he's going to be a heck of a player. And his brother came with us. And his brother wasn't very big, great young man. I think he's having a lot of success. But I was involved in that. I couldn't believe the way that Clay grew up and what a great play he was.

But that's USC. Pete Carroll did a great job of recruiting. The guy knew when he was Zoom. What did you learn from Pete? A lot of stuff. To compete. To wake up here, a positive attitude. The energy that he had.

Come on, hey, let's go. We'd hit 14 schools in Los Angeles. We were rolling, man. And he didn't stop. Every day, Pete Carroll was the same. But the one thing that I don't know if people really know this about Pete, he's a disciplinary. He don't put up a nut now.

You know, he's the happy-go-lucky guy. He makes everybody feel good. But when we went watch the tape, every time we had practice, coach he would go eat. He had media. he'd come back and that tape was on. And boy, if you're a player didn't do the right thing, you felt like he made you feel that small.

Not in a way of yelling, screaming, but you felt like you were loyal to people and you didn't want to let him down. And he tried to fix everything. His team's got better as the season went along because his knowledge of football. You know, your career is pretty amazing. You were with Jimmy Johnson when you were very early.

and Jimmy tells great stories about you. I mean, he really does. He tells fascinating stories. If I said to you, give me something about Jimmy. You talked about Pete. Give me something about Jimmy Johnson that he taught you. Let me say this to you. The first day that I walked on that football field at the University of Miami,

I learned how to coach. That was it. I felt it. I saw it. The greatest on the field coach, him and his staff, that I ever see. Those practices at the University of Miami were excellent. Those players practice hard.

Those coaches coached hard. I just loved the intensity. I had never been around anything like that in my life. The first day I learned on a coach for Jimmy Johnson. I love being with him every day. He was so smart. He was so intense. We was like in a shotgun office.

And coach, we go work out. Everybody go work out. He'd have his hair fix. You know, he'd have to have his hair fix out. He'd walk in, we'd be ready for practice. And if coach would walk down, you could see him walk down in the hall. And if he'd be smiling with a good mood, you'd keep on walking. But, boy, if he had that look in the face, man, I took that first door I could to the left.

I didn't want to pass him at all. But he had that persona about him that everybody followed and everybody respected. And you didn't want to, you didn't want to upset Jimmy. just like Pete. I was going to say, what you're talking about with both of them is sort of a presence. You could sense it. When they walked into a room, you could feel it. Yes, no question.

Both of them. And they were both the boss. You wanted to be part of it. You wanted to be at work. You know you was getting better. You knew your teams were going to win. You saw the confidence in them every day. And then the work that they did on a daily basis every day is where I learned how to

vehicles. All right. There's very few people. I've done a couple events with Eli Manning. Very few people that have achieved as much as Eli Manning but are still humble and based on family and all the things that matter. Eli Manning, two-time Super Bowl MVP, four-time Pro Bowl or number one overall pick. All right, Super Bowl week. Let's cut to the chase here, Eli. You, your brother, your family, your father, Cooperville has told me this about you. Not that you were disenged. but you weren't affected by things the rest of the family was. You were always sort of in your own head. So that leads me to believe, and I said this before about you.

I always thought you were better in the two-minute drill than out of it. I think you made your two best throws in your career. Certainly the Mario Manningham one qualifies. But with that said, that's in-game. Did you get a little nervous or anxious coming out for the anthem and that sort of stuff pre-game? I mean, I think there's definitely, you get the butterflies and you get, you know, a little exciting. I think that's a, you know, I was always kind of learned that that's a good thing. When you're nervous about something, that means you care about it.

Like you want to do well. You mean you're prepared. You've given a lot of effort to it. You've worked hard. And you want to go and win, and it means something to you. So to have the butterflies, I'm here to tell the teammates that that's normal. That's a good thing. It means you care and then you want to go out there and play well.

also embrace it and, you know, in those situations. So like once you're playing the game, they usually, those go away. But it's, yeah, like you said, it's the coin toss. It's the pregame where you have this kind of nervous excitement. I watched your Mario Manningham throw this morning because I knew I was going to talk to you. It's just a ridiculous throw. I mean, I could argue, Eli, David Tyree, there's a, there's a bit of luck on certain catches. I don't know.

Maybe, maybe. But Manningham is a freaking. dime. Did you look at it afterwards and think, is that the best throw I've ever made? It was tight. It was a little tight. It was a little risky. And I think that's kind of, you know, what makes it unique. It's, hey, it's, you know, when you get into a Super Bowl, it's the most important throw of your life and the most important drive that you can have and you can step up and make a throw that's like, it's covered to a whole throw to a guy where if you throw at a yard, inside, it's probably getting intercepted by a safety, but you put in a spot where,

hey, your receiver can catch it or no one else, and you trust your guy that they're going to make a play. And really what Mario does, I mean, the fact that, you know, it's over the outside shoulder. He can't see the ball hit his hands because the outside shoulder, they say, I got to keep my two feet in bounds and take a hit from a safety and to hold on to it was remarkable. So, you know, it just changed that whole drive. We're backed up our own 10 and now we're at the 50 yard line. Now we're kind of in control of the game. We got time.

We can run the ball. We have plenty of time to make that drive and the score and not give Tom Brady too much time on the clock. You had two Super Bowls, Ram's second Super Bowl of her McVeigh. Anything in the second Super Bowl you took from the first, it could have been in prep, pregame halftime that you took and it helped you in the second one. You know, I think, yeah, you just learned how to kind of manage that week. And, you know, when you go to the Super Bowl, the last 20 weeks, you've been doing the same thing every single day.

You know, your Wednesdays are the same. You're at home. You know, get a massage on a certain day. You maybe go to dinner with your wife or you go out to dinner with your teammates one day. It's all the same. You're getting that perfect routine. And now, before the biggest game of your life, you're in a different city all week. You're taking buses to practice.

You're in a hotel. You don't have your normal routine. So I think just trying to keep that same routine and say, hey, you know, planning ahead saying, I want to get, you know, stretched out and massage on Wednesday after practice or, hey, let's go to dinner and get a reservation at a new spot. And, hey, what spot am I going to go to in Indianapolis? And so I think it's just kind of having a better way to plan and to kind of tell the other guys around you, the young guys, to go ahead and start planning as well because you've been

there and you know what to expect. Think about your second year in the league. Is it remarkable to you that Joe Burrow got in here? You know, I think he's, he, I was impressed with Joe last year, just having, you know, watching him play. He was a rookie. You know, there's a couple games where he's throwing it 30, 40, 50 times a game. He's got a bad offensive line last year. But he was still, you know, a lot of completions.

He was scrambling at times. He was buying time. He wasn't throwing a lot of interceptions. You know, he wasn't making a lot of mistakes and forcing things. And so I thought he played great last year and this year kind of the same thing, especially throughout the playoffs, two-minute drives, you know, playing tough, getting sacked nine times in one game, but just hanging in there,

not causing you to force a throw or throw it too early. And so he just kind of has that it factor that he steps up and makes critical plays and great plays at the right time. I mean, you were a multiple-year starter at Ole Miss. He was a two-year starter at LSU. By your second year in the league, he's had a couple of scrappy games, Jets, bears, but were there times, I mean, would you have been ready? Because you were often a better quarterback in the two-minute drill, playoffs and on the road.

It's really remarkable about your career. But in a year two, can you even imagine leading a team on the road playoff games? Or were you still in that sort of, man, I'm a little over my skis on some of these games? You know, I think you don't see young quarterbacks kind of their first time in the play. going in there and winning one playoff game, let alone multiple, just because it is different. You're playing against better teams and everybody's up to the challenge. And so, you know, my first one, I say a year, we went 11 and 5. We won the NFC East and we get to the playoffs and we get blown out by Carolina.

And so, you know, I threw a bunch of interceptions. It was just a terrible game. You know, Peyton was in the playoffs a number of times. Matthew Stafford, like a lot of good quarterbacks, that first playoff. experience. They don't do great. And here's Joe Burrow in his second year, winning three playoff games on the road. And I think the fact that, you know, he has kind of gone through a playoff scenario in college and what he did at LSU. I think that does help. I mean, you had to go and beat some teams. You had to play in an SEC championship.

You had to go on the road. You had to, you know, and kind of go through that playoff scenario, I think gives you a little bit more experience to handle this. It makes him more prepared. You know OBJ, it's pretty impressive. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all,

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Yeah, I think, I mean, obviously, O'Dell is extremely talented. He works hard. He's fast. He catches the ball well. And I think they just are using him so, so well. They've been smart since the get-go of not overloading him. I think the fact that you have Cooper Cup and he's going to be your workhorse. And we're going to move him all around. He's going to be in the backfield.

He's going to be in the slide. He's going to be out wide where with O'Dell are kind of like, hey, you're going to be out wide. You're going to, you know, went on slant routes. You know, went on glance routes. You're going to win on comebacks and you're going to run by people and run a post and an end-breaking route. Just, you know, routes that you run a million times.

You know where to go. We're not going to move you around too much. And so you can just go play fast. And when you get one-on-one, go beat the corner. And he can do that. That's what he can do. And so I think they're using him well. And you can see it, you know, the timing is getting better with Stafford and him on the same page.

You know, the ball's coming out anticipating, you know, Stafford's anticipating a little bit more on when he can make those throws and let him go, you know, go get it. So I've been impressed and obviously, you know, he's playing well, happy for him to be in the Super Bowl. Listen, you were lucky that you got Tom Coughlin at the beginning of your career. You really, one of the smartest guys, you know, a lot of stability in the organization, which the Giants have not had in your last couple of years and since you left. Stafford had stability in high school, Georgia, and the Rams. But he went 13 years. I mean, Eli, a lot of coaches, a lot of coordinators.

a lot of different offensive lines. I mean, you've had a couple of years when there was instability, when you got a new coach. How hard is that? Yeah. I mean, it can be tough. And obviously what he's had to endure and the fact that he's, you know, stayed with it, you know, always a great guy, didn't blame anybody, didn't throw anybody in the bus,

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If it was four and a half, five, I probably take the Bengals. I went and looked at the Bengals and the Rams scores. 18 of the 20 bingo games were close. They were blown out by Cleveland and lost a lot of jump balls and were kind of whacked at home with the Chargers. But overwhelmingly, they played good teams very tight, win or lose, Green Bay, Tennessee, San Francisco. go so it tells you that's probably the side to be on, but I can't get past this.

They feel like the bingles feel like a sick seed in March Madness. They win a couple of buzzer beaters. There's a clearly momentum, which is a powerful device, but they're going to meet a number one seed. It's going to feel like a one or a two. They're not going to be able to block the Rams front. And I feel like it's going to get ugly. And I know it's square.

But sometimes don't you just like a matchup? You're totally entitled to like the matchup if that's where your head is at. It is not an easy game to handicap. And I will tell you, when the line opened to three and a half and was immediately bet to four by professional betters, that was showing you that they liked the Rams a little bit. And the professional betters have liked the Rams all year. They liked them for Super Bowl futures. They liked them to win their division.

They liked them to win the conference. So by them betting at the three and a half, you were basically seeing them backing their opinion that had been established all year long. So the first half of the week, professional betters were betting on the Rams. But then the number got to four and a half. And then the professional betters came in on the bank,

and you started to see the money even out a little bit. So now you're basically getting the better as you see where the line of demarcation is for lack of a better term. Four and a half is where they definitively like the Bengals. Three and a half is where they definitively like the Rams. And at four, it's a matchup game. You like the Rams. I like the Bengals.

It's that opinion. I think I'd take the under. I think the game will be quick. the Bengals are proficient at running. The Rams aren't necessarily the last two weeks because it's the Niners and Buck's run defense. They were very proficient running the ball against Arizona. I think the game shrinks.

I think there's more running than we think. I think it's a quick game. I think it's mostly well played. I don't think there are as many big plays over the top because I think both secondaries are highly capable. So I would take the under, sharper square. that is totally sharp. It opened in 49 and a half. It got bet down to 48 and a half. It's been sitting there. But that is the side that the wise guys are betting. I do want to go back to some of your calculus on the Bengals discounting the close games they've played and saying that it feels like a six seat in March madness and that they're not as good as what they're showing on the field. I would say that would be true. if they only did it during the playoffs.

But you said it yourself, 18 of 20 games. The team keeps games close. And the problem with betting against the Bengals in a spot like this isn't because you think the Rams are going to win the game. They are the better team. It's why they're favored. They're a better team all year long. They have the better quarterback by a percentage.

they dominate on the defensive line and the Bengals' offensive line isn't that great. So what happens is you get the Bengals down big and when the game gets closer to the end, that's when the Bengals consistently find ways to use their explosiveness to get into the end zone. So I'm not betting because I think the Bengals are the better team. I'm betting because I think the Bengals are going to be able to find a way

to keep this game close either through 60 minutes or in the last three minutes. Let's talk receiving yards. Odell Beckham over under 62 and a half, Jamar Chase, 78 and a half, Cooper Cup 105. That's a big number for Cup. And he's terrific, but I do like the safety play by the Bengals. I probably bet the under on Cooper Cup. That's of the three that looks like the play.

Your thoughts? So the Cooper Cup specifically, I'm not going to deflect. I'm going to give you my thoughts. But the Cooper Cup receiving totals across the board are the biggest liability the sports books have. in this Super Bowl. It's not a side. It's not a total. They have been getting hammered from the second these props open on Cooper Cup overs. And I'm in that camp. I didn't bet his over total receiving yards. I haven't bet his over receptions. But I did bet Cooper Cup over 28 and a half for longest reception because he's so good at yards after the catch. And the Bengals defensive

seconder, the way they play defense, it allows for him to be in matchups to be in open space and find an opportunity to do that. So I think that the market is getting priced out for a lot of the numbers you just talked about for Odell, for Cooper Cup, for Jamar Chase. What I do like a lot, T. Higgins, over about 69 and a half receiving yards. Tyler Boyd, over, I forgot the number of receptions, but I like him over for receptions. I do think that you get to the same. second and third tier of receivers for the Bengals. And I like that a lot. Because the Rams defensive secondary is very bad covering.

They play a lot of zone and they leave a lot of open space in the field, which is where those two guys eat. The volume. Reclaim your Saturdays. Call 1-800 Godjunk and two smiling. Happy people will magically appear at your front door. They'll be driving a clean, shiny truck. And they'll be wearing snappy, happy uniforms.

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