The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast Prime Cuts - Chiefs Dynasty Over? Buckeyes All-Time Defense? Seahawks SCARY Good Roster, J.J. McCarthy Looks Lost

Episode Date: November 22, 2025

Colin’s top takes of the week.  First, Colin’s joined by John Middlekauff, host of “3 and Out” to break down all the NFL action. They start with the Broncos beating the Chiefs to blow the AFC West race wide open & they credit Sean Payton for building a stacked roster while still paying  big dead cap money to Russell Wilson, and debate whether the Chiefs dynasty is officially over (3:30). They move to the Rams win over the Seahawks and Colin argues that if the roles were reversed and Matt Stafford had thrown 4 interceptions instead of Sam Darnold…. the game wouldn’t have been close, and they agree the Rams have Darnold’s number (16:45). They pivot to the Bears walk-off win over the Vikings and they both agree that J.J. McCarthy does NOT look like a starting quarterback, and that the contrast between McCarthy and Caleb Williams could not be more stark.They also tip their cap to Ben Johnson for creating a winning culture in Chicago (30:00) and give kudos to both Kyle Shanahan and Brock Purdy for hanging 41 on the Cardinals in Purdy’s first game back from injury (36:45). Then, Colin Cowherd is joined by Josh Pate to discuss the latest in College Football. They start off with this weekend's big matchup between USC & Oregon. They give their takes on who will win and the state of USC 43:45). They give their Mount Rushmore of College Football jobs (50:45) and debate whether Ohio State has an all-time great defense this season (58:00) and which teams would test the Buckeyes the most (1:03:00).  All lines provided by hardrock.bet (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates!  #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I've got the Browns plus eight and a half, just no pick sixes. And he actually had a nice, like, final dry, little spin move throwing the ends on the end. Okay. I was, it was really entertaining. So let's start Denver 22. Kansas City 19. So the Broncos are now 9 and 2. The Chiefs are a 500 team.

They're a hell of a 500 team. Kansas City's a good team. Bo Nix 2437, 295. Again, no big mistakes. What's interesting against Spags in that defense, John, you know, Bo's really struggled. But for the first time in nine weeks, they scored on their opening drive.

And it was as if Bo and Sean found a rhythm certainly on enough drives to get field goals that they hadn't had. But it was one of those games when you watch Sam Darnold unravel. And you watched a lot of quarterbacks today. There were some ugly quarterback play. This is where Bo Nix is really good. He doesn't take sacks. He can move the chains with his legs.

He's really good in these big fourth quarter drives. I know he drives everybody nuts. But there is something to be said about today against Mahomes, milking that clock, making that big throw down the stretch. What's your interpretation of Nixon what you saw today? Yeah, I mean, that final drive was huge, right? He hit two third downs, third and 15 when he scrambled to his right. They need to get him on the move more often, I think.

Same. They've really tried to push the ball down the field, and even the day, a lot of his incompletions because his numbers look good are on the deep ball. He was not skipping balls like he did whatever a Thursday a week ago. It was that deep ball. he's still overthrowing it. But he's good on the move. And then the third and five that Sutton made the play,

and then that second and eight, which essentially sealed the game. So three enormous passes. I actually thought when Kelsey scored, same. I mean, Travis Kelsey and Chris Jones, I mean, you talk about these guys, I mean, you knew they would bring it.

Both of them dominated today. I thought that that second time that when Mims on the, when returned that punt and they were in the red zone, and they didn't come out of with touchdown, I'm like, I think they're going to look back and, God, they're going to be kicking themselves on that one. And he just, he found a way. I mean, their defense is, both these defense. I mean, that could be the AFC championship game right there.

John, how about the late window? Cleveland's defense, Rams, Seattle, Denver, Kansas City. And Robert Sala is doing an unfriken believable job with nobody. He's got, you know, Winter's a good player. That kid's everywhere. But, no, I kind of look at this game, and I think the Chiefs were 11 and 0 last year and won possession games in their own five. And my takeaway on that isn't that they were 11 and 0, not just that, but why are they in so many close games? And I think you see this with Buffalo.

You start paying these quarterbacks $400 million. And John, you look at Buffalo's defense. It's really okay. It's just okay. It's got a couple splash players. You look at Kansas City. You know, they don't have much of a run game. Kelsey, again, rises to the moment.

Chris Jones has not had a good year. He had a good day today. But I think it's the reality is when, you know, when you start looking at roster, Seattle, where they're paying Sam, very, very workable wage. Indianapolis, Daniel Jones. It looks at an unbelievable roster. So, you know, some of it with Kansas City is this is the reality. Remember when Drew Brees was in New Orleans, he took a big salary,

and they dip for two years. And then he took a team-friendly deal at the end, and they had great rosters with Sean Payton. How much credit do you give? You know, Sean Payton's funny. I think he's the best coach in football. Nobody wants to admit to a great coach because he can be a little bit of a smart ass. But, John, they're still paying Russell Wilson,

and this roster is staffed. Where I give them a lot of credit is, remember when they gave, they had that game his first year where they played Miami and gave up 70 points. And there was so much momentum, and you went, this Fance Joseph thing is just not going to work. And you look back a couple years later, they have a potential all-time defense.

I mean, they might break the Sacks record. The blitz he called, you just talked about defensive coordinators. I mean, the amount, if you combine the salaries of the defensive coordinators in the late window, I mean, it's a lot of money. These guys are getting paid. That blitz that he called did Sack Patrick Mahomes.

I mean, that was big time. Sometimes you got to mix it up against a, an all-time great player and kind of confuse them. I mean, you're playing, I mean, the coaching quarterback combination, one of if not the greatest combination of all time. So, Vance Joseph, to me, deserves, they play the Chiefs really well now two years in a row, and they're missing their best defensive players. So obviously, you know, Sean, and, you know, he's been very, I would say, consistent

on Bow Nix. He's kept his mouth shut when he's really struggled because he doesn't want this guy to go into the tank. And they've, I think the team has just. kind of, you know, stood by his back because whatever, that Thursday night game was pretty ugly. I mean, that was, that was as bad as it got. And today, you get a little extra time.

I think Romo mentioned it, that they spent a lot of time just kind of getting back to the basics, like getting it out of the huddle. Yep. You know, I think sometimes you think it's like you get rushed. It's like getting in out of the huddle. Bo Nix was saying, coach, you're getting me the plays too late. And they worked on like stuff that you don't even think. But that's, sometimes you've got to take a step back before you worry about, like,

what's up with his accuracy? Well, if he's all rattled on all this other shit, then you're already screwed before you even started. That's what we saw with Caleb Williams in the first three weeks. His operational stuff was a mess. Now, it's still not pretty, but that's not the problem. He may struggle, but the operational stuff, I do think with Bo Nix, he's a really tightly wound guy. He's very intense. And so I think Sean was adding to that anxiety by getting it in late. And you and I talked about this the last couple of weeks. He played nervous. And I think now we look at it and we're like, oh, that's why. Like, he's a tightly wound guy. He's incredibly hard on himself.

I talked to somebody who knew him before the season. They're like, that kid is hard on himself. Like, a little like Lamar Jackson just doesn't savor wins. Like losses are crushing. And so, okay, then Sean's getting the plays in late. Sean's demanding. So early in the season. And Sean's never been a great September coach anyway because he just unloads the playbook on him.

But I thought today, Bo, less frenetic. I thought that final drive was like, I mean, John, that was a little Jaden Daniels of last year. You're like, wow, that's a pro bowl level drive, like two big throws. And they just, the way Sean and Bo melt to the clock, I mean, that, that, I mean, even when Romo and Nant said at the end, they're like, hey, if the chiefs don't make a tackle here, get down at the one. And they didn't. Peyton and Bo had thought it out. They just took a knee. They were not going to let Kansas City control it.

They took a knee. And, you know, I don't think Kansas City is a bad team. I just think the margins get really skinny when you pay Kelsey, Jones, Mahomes. I mean, the hell they had to get rid of Joe Tooney. You know, it's just, this is the reality of having a $400 million quarterback. The other thing is this, when you go to five Super Bowls in six years, and I think the year you missed it, you lost in the AFC championship game, where are you drafting every round? you know, 29, 30, 31, 32. And that's not just the first round.

We're talking the third and the fourth round. So your margin for error, you're not getting the pick of the litter each round. This isn't like the second round. You get to pick the four best players that are still on the board in the 30s or early 40s. You're picking at the end at 60. So the pressure on Vech and the scouting staff is really, really high. And I think that's why they were kind of hesitant to make a bold trade because you need the picks. and especially like, let's face it, Kelsey and Chris Jones are coming down the home stretch here.

Right? So these guys, they're no longer 17-game elite guy. They give you however many games during the regular season, hopefully the playoff games. But like you are going to need to make some hay in the draft. But even this year, let's say they end up going 10 and 7 because they got some winnable games on their schedule. Let's just say this is the year they get bouncing in the first round. They're still, it's not like they're drafted 7th. They're still drafted 21st.

So they are just, you know, sometimes, you know, the rest. Ravens have had a good little stretch here of the Starks and the Wiggins and they've hit up. Like, there's a little dumb luck to that because a lot's out of your control, right? The guy you see this year with Jihad Campbell being there for Howie. Some of years that guy goes pick 16 and you're just like, we don't really like any of these picks. It's why historically you get a lot of the good teams, John Snyder, Belichick, they would go back. Yes. Because like, we just don't feel comfortable here.

And it just, it's very draft dependent. I watch a lot of college football. I'm like, I don't know how many blue chippers are in this. coming draft. Definitely not when a lot of these teams in the 20s are going to be draft. So it just puts a lot of pressure. And the Chiefs put them, I think Coach Reid and Patrick would be the first, they put themselves into a hole. You start 0 and 2, you lose that crazy Jags game. You shouldn't be like on tilt in the middle of November on the road at an 8 and 2 team. Right? The season shouldn't, and it's the season technically not on the line, but the division

streaks over tonight. The Broncos essentially won the division in I, Colin. They played the commanders next. And then the Raiders. So I had picked Denver to win this division. I picked Kansas City, it finished second, Chargers, third, and Raiders 4. So I've had a good year on picks. And a pretty good year,

I picked New England to me, my shocking team in Seattle to make the playoffs. So it's been a good football and pro football year for me. But one of the things I really believe about Kansas City is that when you look at the chiefs, a lot of the reality of playing these big, intense seasons is there's a fatigue, it's more hits, you end up having, I mean, I guess just kind of the way I look at Kansas City's run is like how I looked at New England, is that before the season I said, the dynasty's over. And I said, they'll make the playoffs. They'll probably win

another Super Bowl or two. But you just can't keep doing it. You can, the eye test tells you, that defense two years ago was faster than now, and Chris Jones was more dominating. When you take Chris Jones out of his prime, and like Kelsey, he'll give you great games, but not a great season, that defense isn't the same, John. It's like the Rams got lucky when Donald left, or when Aaron Donald left, because they had drafted and hit on like five different defensive players in the box. So the defense, about a year after he left, are like, oh, hell, it's still nasty. But they hit on five defensive picks.

Five of them were all even the third round. Kobe Turner was good. But when Chris Jones, the last two years, especially this year, isn't as dominant, the rest of the players are good players. And so they had to let go of Sneed at Corner. And they have a couple guys get dinged up. And when I watch them play today, it's still well coached that's still good. But Seattle's defense, or the Rams defense today, just turn the sound down.

The Rams defense is just there's nothing open. Anywhere. There's stuff open today that Bo Nix and Peyton took advantage of. Yeah, I mean, part of it is in Belichick and Brady, you know, in the middle of, or I guess the late 2000s, early 2010s, you got to start hitting on the new group of guys, right? They got High Tower. They got McCordy, right? They got all these other players to come in. Obviously, Edelman became a consistent slot. They hit on Gronk in the second round. The Chiefs are going to have to do that over the next couple of years. And they kind of already have. You know, Rish, a high-end player. Xavier worthy, they're going to need more out of him. They got McDuffie and Carl Loftus on defense. You need to hit on a couple more guys. But listen, I think they've proven they know what they're doing.

This is just nothing. Belchek and Brady had some years where they lost in the first round. Remember the Rex Ryan beat him, the Ravens beat them. Payton got them a couple times. You're not going to go to the Super Bowl. Five and six years, I'd be stunned if that ever happens again. And not with a parody, the way the league's built. But the Broncos, they're going to be in a position.

You know, now they're in the driver's season. to get the number one seed, right? Because the Colts, I mean, are they just going to keep rattling off wins? I think the Broncos, you look at their schedule, it's pretty easy. I do believe if they can get home field advantage, it's going to be a very, very tough place to win, you know, for opposing teams to come in with that defense. And they just need Bo Nicks to play like today. No turnovers. We don't need three, four touchdowns a game. You go back to some of the defenses that, you know, people like in the 80s and the 90s in the early 2000s, we don't need three touchdowns. Like, just do not turn the ball over. Maybe throw one. We'll rush for one. And we will win this thing 17 to 13. No problem. Don't, don't forget, Denver at home in January,

it will be snowing. So that defense will be even nastier because it's going to be windy at high altitude in snowing. Seattle loses to the Rams. Rams 21, Seahawks 19. Pretty remarkable that with four Sam Darnel interceptions, Seattle, which, again, I think their rosters, I think defensively, they got so many dudes. First of all, these two defenses, there's just nothing. I felt bad for Sam Darnold. There's just, if a ball gets tipped in the air, it's picked. There's just very little.

I mean, thank God for JSN. It's just hard to have plays. It's hard to have successive plays against the Rams defense that hit. You can hit one, and then it's backwards. But I was thinking about this, because the Rams jump out to a very quickly. It's very impressive. And then they have to hold off. But I was, you know, they, here's the thing that jumped out to me.

The Rams defense in the red zone, number one, if you didn't watch the game, the Rams defense in the red zone kept forcing Seattle into field goals. So that was the early portion of the game. The second portion was they kept intercepting Sam Darnold. But this struck me during the game. If Stafford would have thrown four picks, Seattle would have blown the Rams out, would have blown their doors off. How can Seattle stay with them?

And my takeaway is this. Matt Stafford, John, is play call reliant. He is as good as the play call, right? Sam's not. If the play breaks down, Sam can create a second play, sometimes a third with his legs. The weakness with the Rams, because there is no weakness defensively. Their corners aren't great. But Forbes now, Emmanuel Forbes in is playing really well. He's a nice corner. Probably a number two corner, but he's a good corner. Their safeties are good. Their pass rush. Stafford's not giving you anything off the play call. Now, he can get in and out of stuff pre-snap, but if the play breaks down or it's just stuffed, the play's over. I feel like with Darnold, I mean, when Matt Stafford is reckless and has a bad day, Rams get hammered. But Seattle doesn't because, you know, they dominate time of possession.

Got in the second and third quarter. Seattle had the ball for 20 minutes. The Rams had it for three. I mean, again, there is such a value to having an athletic quarterback that can just create a second play if the first play gets snuffed. And that's my thing. I love Stafford, but with him and golf, you do not get a second play within a play call.

The play call is what the play call is. And I thought it was remarkable that Seattle was kicking a game-winning field goal. I thought it was unbelievable. Yeah, if they would have, if Seattle wins this game, I don't think Sean McVeigh could slept all week. You can't pick a guy off four times and lose that game. I mean, at one point in time, it felt like the Rams were in complete control. And I looked down and Matt Stafford had thrown for like 60 yards. I'm like, this feels weird. He ended up only throwing for 130 yards. Sam Donald threw for almost 300 yards. I mean, threw for 280 yards. Mac Jones is thrown for

650 yards combined against the ramps, which is ironic because you can throw on them. But their defensive coordinator, I think we have to, has some own age. over Sam Darnold. Because some of those picks aren't tip balls. They're hitting guys in the numbers. So he rattled them in the playoff game when they had to play it in Glendale because of the fires. And then he rattled them again today really bad.

It was the first time, like, he still making some explosive plays, the one play that J.S. N. Kyle with one hand. And obviously the running backs make some big plays. But like if you're going to, I mean, he did not have a touchdown today and he threw four interceptions. And, I mean, three off top of my head are hitting guys in stride. The one where he did like the Tebow jump up. and he just hit the guy.

It's like, that can't. That looked a little Jets, Carolina Panthers. I think Chris Shula, who is Sean McVeigh's handpick guy, their buddies from college, has just,

it's like a matchup thing. You see this in basketball, you see sometimes in baseball with a pitcher versus hitter. Chris Shula, against Sam Darnold, because it's not even a Kubiak thing, because they had a different offensive coordinator

last year in the playoffs. It was Ryan Grupp. It's something he's doing to Sam is throwing them off with some of these looks. Because they do not have Jalen Ramsey and some of these guys back there in the defensive backfield. These are not like, their strength is the pass rush, not the corners.

Even though the guy they just traded for did make a great play. It would have been a Sam Donald maybe underthrew him by what he did. Eight inches and the guy made a great play with his fingertips. They probably saved the game because he completes that. That might have been the game. Sam's Owen three against the Rams the last two years, 21 and four against everybody else. So there is no question the Rams have his number. and what I wrote down today twice that Sam saw the receiver late.

His throw was late. And Sam's never had the cleanest mechanics. He's got a little bit of a, a little bit of a hitch. It's faster than it was four years ago. But Sam has to see stuff clearly and quickly because he doesn't snap the ball out. Like an Aaron or even Jordan Love just whips that thing out, man. That touchdown to Christian. Watson, he got a bad snap. He saw it, let it go. It was in the air a quarter second later.

That's not Sam. And two of the interceptions, Sam saw the play way late. Like, it wasn't even close. You know, you'd have thought he'd be throwing to a ram, not a Seahawk. So I think that's the reality is that this right now, I think Seattle has better speed. I think Seattle's roster's actually more complete. Like the Rams have a little bit of a secondary concern. They didn't draft a corner last year. You and I've discussed this probably needed to. They went and got Emmanuel Forbes, a longer corner. I thought he's been pretty good for them.

But, and we talked about this, John, I think the last two weeks. The Rams are the cleanest team in the league. They're not the most dynamic. They don't have penalties. They don't turn the ball over. They don't throw interceptions. They're just clean. And in the end, that wins a lot of these games.

Well, like you said about Donald, I think I did the math. So if you count today, he's 21 and 6 starting last year. So, I mean, he's been a great player. But three of those losses are to the Rams. And if you count the playoff game, and today, he is five interceptions. And he was not good in the playoff game either. Because I'm with you, I feel like they're throwing them off, which then speeds them up, which gets them all out of rhythm.

Yeah. Because now the three games in which he's had, of those. 21 wins, he has been an MVP caliber player. Yet if you take the Lions game and these last two Rams game, he looks like a rattled player. So it's like clearly, and some of those wins are against really good team. So it's not like he's just beating up on, you know, Kentucky's of the world, right? He's doing it against real competition. So whatever Shula has put out there now in Aaron Glenn, I do wonder if more people are going to attempt to just copycat that. Yes. But it's It's weird because I was all in the way he was playing that I watched a day. I'm like,

clearly you can do something to throw him off. And it's one thing if you just, you know, you have bad footwork and you overthrow a guy, it's another thing to hit multiple dbs in their numbers. That to me is a really, really alarming sign. And I thought he had gotten past it the way he was playing this year. I'm like, whatever that confidence is. And then you see a moment like today and you're like, God, I'm picking Seattle to make the Super Bowl and that kind's going to give me some pause because there's going to be a lot of pressure on this guy in the playoffs again, right? And down the stretch. He's still got some big games left. Yeah, I've said this about Caleb Williams and Bo Necks. They don't get hurt. They don't throw picks. There is some value in that.

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Let's go to Chicago 19, Minnesota Vikings 17, Santos with the walkoff. I did think Chicago, first of all, Chicago was better on third down. Much better. They dominated time of possession. Caleb had no picks. I thought Chicago was better. Great with his leg. too. Oh, yeah. I thought Chicago was the better team. This is not one of these in which they were lucky. I thought Chicago was the better team. Now, J.J. McCarthy had a couple of drops by Jordan Addison, one early, one late. So it's not all on J.J. McCarthy. So let's just look at the bears, though. So last year, they couldn't win games like this. And this is sort of the magic of Ben Johnson and Caleb. It's not pretty. They have a win against the Raiders due to a blocked field goal.

They beat Washington when Jaden Daniels fumbled late in the game. Remember? Nobody touched him. He just fumbled. They had a 58-yard TD against the Bengals after a near collapse. They trailed double digits in the fourth quarter of the Giants and won. And a game-winning field goal as time expires today against the Vikings. Now, you could say it's just luck. You know, I think Caleb Williams' legs aren't lock. He again today. He made two or three. I mean, listen, it's a cliche. Nobody doubts how dynamic he is. He's a freaking, he's a cleanup hitter. I mean, just the legs, the power. He made a couple throws today. I mean, he's just, when he unleashes it, man, it is. How about the one to DJ Moore that DJ dropped?

I think it got on DJ so fast that, you know, I think he was trying to catch it, but it hit his chest plate before his hands could even get there. That had to be like 110 mile an hour fastball. That had to be the hardest ball today thrown, I think, in the NFL. But I think we have to be honest about this. J.J. McCarthy had one really good drive at the end, and he deserves credit for it. But John, this is not a highlight league. This is not the NBA.

It is about sustained drives. It is about putting your team in situations to win. I got to tell you, I don't know what it is. But when you have Kevin O'Connell, good protection, decent run game, Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison didn't, he had drops. I don't see it with J.J. McCarthy. And I don't want to do confirmation bias. He hasn't had many starts.

His arm is good enough. It's not an arm thing. He has a decent arm, but he looks nervous. He's a player that plays, I think, with confidence. And when he loses it after his second pick, he had a couple of really bad drives. So he's obviously somebody who's a bit in his head on this stuff. Don't blame him. It happens.

He's young. But it's hard for me to unsee it. Like when Caleb was struggling last year, he wasn't throwing picks. He was making plays with his feet. You could not deny his athleticism. Even Greg Kossel kept saying, you know, the tape will tell. you, he makes incredible throws. This J.J. McCarthy thing, about four more of these, and they got a problem on their hands.

Yeah, I mean, I think they have, JJ, beside the one drive at the end, was atrocious. I mean, he's a complete train wreck. I mean, balls are flying all over the map. All over the place. I mean, just not even close. And I think Tom was in a tough position being a Michigan man trying to not totally crush the kid, but even Tom's like, I got no clue. There was a stretch where they did some replays. I don't even know where he's throwing. I do want to say this, though, that if you just take the two coaches, if we just did a draft from scratch, they would be two of the highest guys in the league,

right? Ben Johnson and Kevin O'Connell. I actually think they're the polar opposite, though, being offensive guys and both former quarterback. Now, O'Connell got drafted. Ben Johnson, I think, was a backup in North Carolina. Ben's basically Kyle Shanahan 2.0. He will run it until the cows come home. And he makes it, it's a lot easier on Caleb to, be in situations where I'm not putting it all on your shoulder. Because I think Caleb, when he plays like that, can get a little reckless to start running around. Because he naturally just plays like that anyway, which he's incredible

of breaking out of sacks. I mean, his ability, he's like unsackable. You have to get multiple guys on him because he's breaking through. But Ben Johnson Day, the majority of this game was just a one-score game. This wasn't like one team's up 24 to 3. Kevin O'Connell just insist, and I said this last year was Sam Darnold. When everyone just took a giant kind of dump on Sam Donald's career, it's like, he didn't get any help in that playoff game for his coach.

Have some run. Settle the game down. Ben Johnson wants to run it basically just three times, get a first down, run it again. Kevin O'Connell's calling these deep breaking routes, it's like, bro, this is not Sam Donald during the regular season. It's definitely not Kirk Cousins. This guy has no clue where the ball's coming out of his hands.

He threw a pick in the corner of the end zone on a go route. I don't know why you're and go routes for this guy. He's overthrowing guys. If you're going to throw some quick stuff, okay, some quick outs, somewhat easy, even though he was missing those two. But there was one point in time during the first half. They were averaging almost five yards of carry,

and the bears had like doubled the amount of carries. If it was flip-flopped, Jordan Mason, Aaron Jones, they would have easily both got double the amount of touches they got. But he insists, and I get it, he's got these two awesome wide receivers, But that's how he wants to coach. He wants to throw the ball vertically down the field. And that is not what this guy is capable of doing right now. Yeah.

Right? You know, listen, Caleb Williams is much better player than JJ, and he would be, quote, unquote, more capable to do that. But Ben Johnson, and they got wide receivers too, but he's not going to play like that. Yeah. And you got to coach, and I saw on social media, it's like, well, you got to let him sink or swim. The goal of today was trying to win the game. Yeah.

And this was a winnable game for both teams. and Ben Johnson to me thoroughly out coached Kevin O'Connell because yes, J.J. stinks. But his coach, like in the middle of the game in a one-score game, can help his guy out. He's insisting on pushing the ball down the field and it's blowing up in his face.

Yeah, and I think... I'm not stunned, but it's like, it's a consistent theme now with O'Connell throwing the ball with this guy. Think about this. In the fourth quarter at the end of the game, John, when they trailed, the Bears got that huge kickoff return. So J.J. McCarthy leads him

do a touchdown. You're like, oh, my God, Minnesota's going to get out of this thing. Look like crap all day. They're going to win this game. San Francisco 41, Arizona 22, Brock Pretty played very well, got started with a Skymoor kickoff return. They were off to the races. I got to, I'm going to, I'll say this. I think Shanahan and Robert Sala, first of all, Arizona was a mess. They had 11 panelists in the first half. Harrison didn't play. But I'm going to give San Francisco credit. John, I'm not sure if any other staff in the NFL could overcome. I texted Saul the other day. I was like, bro, you're coaching your ass off. You have no players left. And Winter, I think, is a very good

young player. But I mean, my interpretation watching that game today was, I mean, obviously, you can move a pocket much more with Brock Purdy than Mac Jones. They, you know, they're moving the pocket all over the place. And that's what Brock does very well. But they should not be beating people. 41 to 22 on the road. I do think, one, the Cardinals have less like star power, but they are as injured as the 49ers. And now, and the 49ers getting purdy but Pearsall back, their office feels a lot different when you put Ricky Pearsall with Jennings, Kittle, and McCaffrey. I did think it was a delicate situation.

I get it. You paid them, you know, $180 million guaranteed. But how well Mac Jones has been playing. and Kyle was steadfast and like, this is our guy when he's ready, we're going to go. And I said, it's kind of weird. He's ready. What's been up with his foot? He's just going to be 100%.

He looked completely normal. And Kyle, the way he handled it with Mack Jones, and he gave Mack a lot of credit too, is like, Kyle's pretty good at quarterback. They're winning a lot of games with Mack. How many coaches beside like an Andy Reid? Could you just be like, yeah, you're just going to win 10, 11 games? I don't care what your schedule is with a banged up herty and Mack Jones. I'd say most teams in the NFL are winning six, seven games,

especially with Fred Warner with a cast on his foot. Nick Boas in Florida rehab and an ACL. So listen, the Cardinals aren't bad, but the 49ers beat the living. You know what out of them today. I think about this. Arizona had almost 500 yards of offense and averaged seven yards of play and got the, you know what kicked out of them. Arizona has talent. Arizona is they're just big time.

Oh, they're just up. They are Indianapolis. where you're like, they've got dudes. They just don't have the quarterback, right? So, you know, I think there is, you know, we all, when I watch the coaching today, especially in the late window, I had Andy Reed and Sean Payton. You know, today I've got Kyle Shanahan. I don't know if John Gannon's a great coach, but Shanahan is. I've got McVeigh and Mike McDonald. I got John Harbaughan Stefansky. I like Stefansky. I, I think, John, the coaching in the NFL today, I don't think there's ever been this many good young coaches. I think it's all, and I think that Jesse Minter with the Chargers will eventually get something. There'll be a college guy or two that'll pop out. Ryan Day, obviously, he's done, this is the best Ohio State. Like, Ohio State for the first time of my life, it feels like they've, like Bama. They've separated from people, like by a touchdown or so. I think they'll, I think they'll beat Indiana significantly. I don't know. When I,

When I watch Shanahan and Sala, I'm just impressed. I mean, they've got eight different guys defensively traded or not playing on defense. Well, I think when you look at a lot of the – in the 49ers, it's been one of the best teams over the last, what, five, six years, you go to the bills. You know, who's the poster child? Mahomes. Who's the poster child for the Ravens? Lamar, right?

You just go around the top teams. There's a couple, though, like the Lions. You kind of think Dan Campbell first. Yeah. You definitely with the 49ers. I mean, their franchise is Kyle Shanahan. You know, I mean, his importance. And getting Robert Salo to come back, you know, I get asked a lot,

do you think he'll get a head coaching job this year? I just don't think the candidates, like, he's definitely going to get some interviews probably. I mean, I think Jonathan Gannon is in major trouble. Yeah. Now, I'd also argue that if this was college, I would view Arizona as one of those jobs, like, I wouldn't touch that job. Like, that's just a bad, that's a place where tough to win, especially when you factor in, you're going to beat Kyle Shanahan,

Sean McVeigh, and Mike McDonald, good luck to you. And with an owner this cheap, Godspeed, guys, because that's, I don't think Jonathan Gannes is terrible, but their teams really falling apart now. They're not, they're going to, their record's going to be awful. So, yeah, I mean, listen, Kyle this year, we liked them because of their schedule, but once you had all the injuries,

it could have fallen up the rails fast. Oh. And deserved a lot of, I think the Mac Jones, that's signing and resurrecting his career, because he, listen, I think his value, it's like, well, would you trade him to the Minnesota Vikings? Yes. No, I need him. But my problem is what if it gets hurt again?

Right. His value to the 49ers, I would for the right price, but I'm not giving to you for a third round pick. Would you give me two seconds or something? Yeah. Do you want to win or do you want to lose? Because you're going to lose with J.J. McCarthy, right? No, I think Minnesota is the play. And I said it last week on the air.

I said, I'd get a third round pick. You're probably right. He's worth a second and a fourth or a second and a third. I think it's probably what Mack Jones is worth. And it's always hard to decipher. Is Mack Jones good, or is it maybe just the coach? But I do think when you watched Mac make throws to a depleted receiving core, it was pretty impressive. I think one thing, too, that, you know, last year he was injured, but changed the 49ers forever was that it was between the Rams and the Niners to get Christian McCaffrey.

And it was the Niners gave a second and a third, and they had to give that extra fourth to make sure they got him. and it changed the franchise. And I would say also doubling down, you know, Kittle was getting a little older. He's a pretty dominant player. So when you watch those two guys, they are as good of a tandem as a running back and tight end as you're going to see. I mean, they are ass kickers. I mean, they are ass kickers. I think Kettle had two touchdowns today.

Oh, and he's just so physical and he's so good in the run. And McCaffrey, even on some of his runs that aren't as sexy, he's just so physical and he's so consistent. Those guys are just, they're Hall of Fame players. I mean, that's really what. They're just Hall of Fame players. They're winning players. And they're guys, you know, what's hitting the fan and your backs are against the wall. They're guys you can lean on.

And the Chiefs have had those type guys. You just need those type guys to be in the trenches with. Yeah, that was one of my, that was my second favorite Blazing Five pick. I took San Francisco minus two and a half. I said when Shanahan gets blown out, take the Niners the next week. He's a regular host of the Josh Pates, college football show, totally tied into college football, West Coast to East. So years ago, I worked in Portland, Oregon for a spell, and Mike Bellotti was the coach. Jeff Tedford was the

coordinator. They finished number two in the nation one year. They got lucky not having to face Miami. They faced Colorado, and they matched out really well with Colorado and not with Miami at all. And I think Nebraska played Miami and got, you know, there was like 98% fans of the Rose Bowl were Nebraska, but Miami kicked the, you know what out of them. So Oregon has used two things to become a power. One was Phil Knight's creativity and money to build facilities when there used to be the facilities war, right? That used to be a big deal. Pre-N-I.L, like there was about a 10-year period. It was an arms race for facilities, and Oregon was the forefront. They've actually used three things. Ingenuity, 100 different uniforms, to impress Southern Cal-Kin. And

to be the cool place. USC has one uniform. Penn State's got one. Oregon had a thousand. So they used Phil Knight's ingenuity, then Phil Knight's money with facilities, and then third, Phil Knight's money with NIL, where they are the big bidder on the West Coast. Most of my life, when I grew up in the Northwest, you would think you were going to land the number three running back in Southern California. USC would get number one, UCLA two, you'd get three. and then at the last moment, he would decide to just go to USC and be a backup. But that changed. Oregon now mostly gets as good of players as anybody in the West Coast.

I think this is an awful matchup for USC. The teams that beat USC, Northwestern actually ran the ball at them. Iowa can run the ball at you. Michigan last year, I think Oregon's going to be hard to block. I think Oregon, USC's O-Lines Young, I think Oregon's going to run on them. I think Oregon's a big play offense in USC on the back end at Corners Week. If Oregon, and there are a nine and a half point favorite, wins Josh, 3321, or wins by two touchdowns, how do you think we view, I know how we view Oregon, that's been established, that's an elite program.

How are we going to view USC? because I think it's a terrible matchup. The same way people have been viewing them. I largely see it your way. The one thing I would say is, you know, coming to the last week, if you and I were to have talked about Pitt Notre Dame, you could have held up a piece of paper and said,

Pitt's got the number three run defense in the country. And I would have looked at you and said, okay, Notre Dame's going to run right through them. I don't really care what the paper says, it's lying to me a little bit. So with this, like Oregon statistically, top three pass defense in the country. But I can tell you that staff,

up there supremely respects that Indiana had a combo of wide receivers come in there and work them a little bit. USC's got the same combo of receivers that could come in there. And if USC were to win this game and we look back, that's probably the reason why. But if that doesn't happen and if it goes Oregon's way, it's probably just more the same, Colin. It's probably you were a head coach that left the Big 12 to go to the Pack 12 that became the Big 10 and you really were never going to be a fit in tent. They hurled these accusations at Lincoln as to why he didn't take the LSU job, and he was scared of this, scared of playing that kind of ball. I don't even care if there's validity to it, because you didn't ask me what valid is. You asked me, what are people going to say? What are

people going to think? They're going to throw around the same accusations, the same pejorative connotations. And the beauty of, like, competitive sport is you control that. But yet it is that way until you change that. So I see the matchup the same way you do. But that's, that's cool. Because if we both see it that way, and then they go up there and win stylistically more a rock fight kind of game, then that's how you change narratives. That's the only way you change narratives. Yeah, no, there is. I mean, I was joking with Lincoln off the air the other day before we did our interview. I said, literally, you are being led by a walk-on running back from Calabasas. He said, he said, only at USC. You fight a kid. in your backyard, who's almost as good as any running back you've faced all year. Now, the thing I always go back to, like Pete Carroll takes over the Raiders and their defense is bad.

That always worries me. Like, you can't get your side of the ball right. Lincoln's offenses have been money. And the fact that he's doing with a walk-on running back. And for some of the year, one receiver, Lemon's been the really good key receiver that's always been healthy. Deuce Robinson left, went to Florida State. You know, guys have transferred out.

It's kind of been a one-receiver offense for a lot of the seats. They don't have supreme tight-end talent. Lake McCree is okay. Three-star kid. He's fine, not a pro. So, but it is, I will say this, USC's, I'll give Jen Cohen the 80 credit. It's a really distracted market.

And money gets splintered into movies. and second homes and tech companies and pro sport season tickets. It's hard to galvanize Los Angeles, like the Dodgers do. The Lakers do. And yet there's the Angels and the Clippers. It's just, it's hard. It's hard to, state of yourself, it's the biggest economy in the country. And Baton Rouge isn't.

But everybody knows in Baton Rouge, if you have money, if you have two nickels to rub together, you're giving them to LSU football. I think it's much harder than people think in Los Angeles. It's an incredibly distracted market. And more so, remember, when Pete Carroll was there, Josh, there was no NFL in the city. Yeah. Yeah, there's no social media either, man. So, like, it's a whole new world.

And the Dodgers weren't the best organization in North America. Like Pete was there. And when Pete was there, if you won your regular season games, there was no semifinal. Yeah. You want the Pac-12, you went to the Rose Bowl. So I don't know. I think I said today, there's four or five programs in the country that have an advantage for national championships.

Georgia, Ohio State, University of Florida. I don't love the governor, but probably LSU. And I mean, and I said, I would say Oregon, but there's no players in the state. And then I think there's six of them, Bama in the new NIL world, they don't have a lot of money, and that changes things. They don't look like Oregon can go by players from the state of Bama. Bama's going to have a hard time getting them out of Oregon if Oregon wants it. That wasn't the case four years ago.

So, I mean, I've said this to friends, they don't want to hear it. I said, USC's not Ohio State in this new world. And they're not Georgia. And they're not Florida. It's another thing, Josh, cost $3 million minimum to buy a home in a nice neighborhood with good schools. The assistant, the linebacker coach is making $5.50. He can't afford to buy a home. How do you view USC as an elite job?

What is your Mount Rushmore, four best jobs, money, commitment, state with players, donors, control their history? Georgia has always been, they've been my number one for a while. If you were to promise me alignment at LSU, I'd put LSU right up there. Ohio State's way up there for me. Ohio State, whatever you think about Ohio athletes, I mean, there's like a proud tradition of high school. athletes. Ohio State has zero problem going into South Florida. I mean, zero problem whatsoever. So I put Ohio State up there. You'd have to check like which period of time it is, but Texas conditionally is up there. Same. Same. But what's changed over the past, just like what's

evolving right now in front of us is Texas A&M. Because Texas A&M has just been, it's been like this stack of wood, but it's been wet historically. meaning they, well, post-Johnny Mansell, A&M's a totally different world. If you went on that campus pre-Manzel and then you went back now, you don't even recognize it. So they leveraged Manzell better than Auburn leveraged Cam Newton. Like they leveraged him so hard, so effectively. So I'd say them as well. But with USC, so to go back to what you were talking about for a second, like I remember, I was way younger,

I was like in school when the Pete Carroll era happens out there. and we were enamored with them. We hated them in the South, but like we were enamored with them. You remember that trip they made to Auburn, and they shut Auburn out to start a season. The entire South, even people who hated Auburn in the South, they like waited for that date. They circled that date because it was going to be like a culture clash. And the South's culture was going to rise. You can't come into Southern Heat and do that.

And then, of course, they did. But I remember thinking back then that it never made sense to me. me, as a kid growing up in the South, immersed in college football, and that being the culture, when people would say what you just said about L.A. I had never left the South. So to me, I just assumed that all the big time college football programs and the towns slash cities they were in were like Athens, Georgia, Auburn, Alabama, Tuscaloosa, Alabama, Knoxville, Tennessee. That's just the way I thought it worked. And I thought when people said, boy, there's a lot to distract you out there. There's a lot more going on in L.A. I thought it

was excuse-making. So, you know, since then, I've been able to travel. I've been able to go out there. And it just, it slaps you in the face when you go out there. I feel the same about Miami to a certain extent. When I go to Miami, when I go to L.A., if you just drive around for a day, be in town for 72 or 96 hours and ask yourself, does this feel different? It feels way different. And you just ask, like, how much more difficult must it be to capture this place's imagination? Therefore, to capture the wallet, to capture the emotional and financial investment, then it must be in Baton Rouge or in College Station. And that's the challenge.

Now, the tradeoff is, if you've got it, you've got it. But if you don't have it, they're not going to help you get it. So you've got to go in there and you've got to do it on your own. Whoever is about to take the Florida Gator job, they'll have the full weight and full support of that community. Lincoln took the L.A. job, and it's like, this is great. We'll check back in a little while If he's winning, we may even give a dollar or two Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what?

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And the whole college football for a year did not know how to attack Washington. I mean, they literally every game just, it was over in the box. You couldn't get downfield. And they had NFL safeties and corners. So for about a year, then there's, the USC defense was really good with Pete Carroll, where Clay Matthews didn't start at linebacker, and then it was NFA, NFC rookie of the year defensively. They couldn't start for USC.

Then there was, there were a couple of, I always loved the, was it the Rolando McLean, the linebacker for Bama? It was the one that beat Texas. I was like, man, they hit different. There were a couple of Sabin defenses that were, and there was a Georgia defense, a couple of it with the Jalen Carter.

So there's been about four or five that I've watched and gone, that doesn't look like, that's somewhere between. Saturday and Sunday football. It's not Sunday, but it's close. Ohio State has an advantage none of those had. It used to be, even Nick Saban, you'd have a hole in your defense, and you'd go to junior college. And he was never quite as good as the ranking. You have the number two corner in junior college. You're like, he's probably our third best corner. But he solves a dilemma. Well, now you just go by the best corner if you're Ohio State, and you're like, we need to be better at corner.

We're just going to go buy the number one guy who are already in the sport in crushing. And I look at this Ohio State defense. And again, I want to see them play out and who they play. Josh, the windows to complete passes are Sunday windows. Even when Nick's teams were great, you'd have a corner like D. Milner, who wasn't really a great corner. He was great within Nick's system. They got two players that could go top five. they have another two that could go between the 15th pick and the third and the second round.

What do you make it? Just forget Ohio State. Just what you've seen from their defense. It really boggles your mind a little bit because of what conventional wisdom would have told you. Conventional wisdom, like we all watched 2004 Ohio State in that stretch run. And you know in the back of your mind or you think you know, they're making this. run because of all this senior veteran talent. Like, they're going to lose all these guys.

Their entire defensive front is going to be gone. We didn't even know Jim Knowles was going to be gone, but they also lose the coordinator. And so, like, just say that out loud. You had anybody, I don't care who it is, Ohio State or anyone else. They are powered by their defensive front, entire defensive fronts wiped out, and coordinators gone as well. Not to mention you're just coming off a national championship. So there's that natural propensity to get a little complacent.

maybe come back to Earth a little bit. Everyone's gunning for you the next year. I don't know if the team overall is better. The defense looks better. I don't know how that even happens. Matt Patricia came in, and here's one of the early warning signs. I remember when Ryan Day got elevated there. And I remember, you know, Ohio State is Ohio State.

So they could do a national search if they want to. They can go land most any head coach they want. And they said, no, the guy we need is already here. And I remember some people looked at it and said, that's crazy. They're cheating themselves by not doing this. And I looked at it and I said, they're not stupid. They know what they have in the building. Just because you don't know who Ryan Day is.

Doesn't mean they don't. Well, it's the same way when Ryan Day needed to fill that defensive coordinator role. There are guys who would leave really good jobs to be the DT at Ohio State. And he went and got Matt Patricia. That's not a name that would have been on anyone's radar. You take the biggest industry insider. Give me your top 10. Matt Patricia's not on it.

And Ryan goes and hires him, and you see why. Like hiring, I mean, it comes down to players making plays, but if you can staff properly in college football and you have top 15 talent, let alone what they have, you're going to be really hard to beat. Now, that doesn't make them invincible, but what you're talking about is there's going to have to be a team if Ohio State gets eliminated that puts together such an airtight, like tight rope walk performance, precision, poise, accuracy, no turnovers.

That's what it's going to take. That's what it used to take to beat those Sabin teams. It took some insane performance. Somebody just plays out of his mind. And if that happens, you tip your cap to the other side. Short of that happening, Ohio State's going to win the national championship. Well, the other thing is the way to beat Sabin was Mansell or Cannes. It was generally somebody that could go off script that Nick couldn't prepare for.

There's nothing you could do. If Nick knew you were in the pocket, you could go back and look at this. I'm not sure he lost three times. if he knew what you're going to be. That's why I think Ohio State beats Indiana, because you know where Mendoza is going to be. The way to beat Ohio State or a great defense is, oh, shit, Josh Allen. I mean, never forget what Josh Allen did to Belichick when Belichick was in New England.

Bill couldn't do anything. It's the only quarterback that Bill's ever fayed. Even Peyton Manning, he gave some trouble to, he could do nothing with Josh Allen. Because Josh, especially when he was young, about 60% of his game was off script. That was Mansell. That was Cam. Those are the kind of guys that just off-script guys gave Saban trouble. And Mendoza is a classic big-arm pocket guy.

And the other thing is you could beat Nick if you got a lead in the second half and his defense had to cheat a little or guess. Right? Like if they could dictate terms, Saban squeezed you out like a towel. But if you made Nick trailed, Nick now was taking some risk defensively. I've got to get the ball back. We've got to generate pressure with extra people. I think if Ohio State leads in the second half, you're in big trouble. If you have to throw against, I think you can, the way to beat great defensive teams in college off script,

and you force them to take risks they normally wouldn't take because you lead late. Yeah. I think another thing that happened, like, with Deshawn Watson teams when they played BAMB. It's another one. Yeah. It's just that was at the, I'm not saying it's the first time you ever saw anyone run tempo, but it was still that early period, like Malzon comes into the picture. And like guys are running tempo as the foundational aspect of their offense for the first time.

So the game, like the rules hadn't shortened the game yet either with the clock rules. Clemson ran over a hundred offensive plays in one of those national temperatures. the chip games. So I'd rarely seen Bama defense on the field for Trevor Lawrence. Yes. Yeah. So. Ran down the sideline against Alabama. I think it was Alabama. He ran down the side. Again, Trevor

and Deshawn. It was off-script plays that beat Bama, not just the pocket stuff. That's why. Like, that just, you don't run that many plays anymore. So that's another thing that's taken out of the toolbox. See, what you're saying is why I'm really interested how Morsal Reed would play

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