The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast Prime Cuts - Chiefs Shouldn’t Panic, Daniel Jones An MVP Candidate? Will Belichick Finish The Season? Jared Goff A Hall Of Famer?

Episode Date: October 11, 2025

Colin’s top takes of the week. He begins with the Jags beating the Chiefs on MNF and despite their 2-3 record, argues that the Chiefs offense is improving and they’re still one of the best teams in the league (3:00). Then, he’s joined by John Middlekauff, host of “3 and Out” to break down a wild, high-scoring game between Baker Mayfield and the Bucs & Sam Darnold’s Seahawks (9:00) and debate whether Daniel Jones deserves to be in the MVP discussion after the Colts 4-1 start (27:00).  Finally, Colin  is joined by 'First Things First' co-host Danny Parkins to discuss whether Bill Belichick will survive his first season at UNC (34:00), whether Jared Goff is on track to make the Hall of Fame (51:00), and why Colin likes using Waymo far more than Uber (56:00). All lines provided by hardrock.bet (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates!  #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I do every weekend. Jags beat Kansas City 31 to 28, but if you look at the final stats, Kansas City had 465 yards, 307 yards passing, one time of possession, 25 to 17 first downs. You know, Mahomes had a pick six and did not see the guy. He threw a ball that he didn't see the defender, so I give him a little bit of a pass on that. I don't know what, I think Kansas City is really good. I don't think right now there is, consistent as Detroit, but they have a better defense. I don't think they have the consistent pass rush or pass protection of Denver. They don't have the roster of Philly and they don't have the late game magic of Tampa. I think Kansas City outside of those teams is the fourth or fifth best team in the NFL. If they played Green Bay tomorrow, Green Bay is young.

I wouldn't trust them. I'd take Kansas City. Rams, again, Rams got outplayed by the Colts. They were lucky to win that game and lost to the Niners. I don't know what to do with the Jags. I don't think the Jags are better than Kansas City. I don't think if they played again, Mahomes would have a pick six, and it was in Jacksonville, which is not worth much, but it was worth something. I really liked Kansas City tonight.

I think, you know, keep your eye on Breschard Smith. He played at Miami Hurricanes. I think he was a seventh round pick for them between Kelsey Worthy, Hollywood Brown, and Breschard Smith is emerging as a real player for them. When Rishie Rice comes back, Kansas City is going to have a really good receiving core. They passed for over 300 yards tonight. I thought Mahomes was magical. 28 to 37, 307 yards, six rushing attempts, 10 yards per rush.

I thought he was unbelievable. He had a bad pick six. And, you know, he has to be their leading rusher. It's not ideal. I don't think they're a Super Bowl team. But, you know, again, there's not a great team in this league right now. I'm doing the herd hierarchy tomorrow. I don't know what the hell to do with Jacksonville.

I don't know what to do with Seattle. I can't put Seattle in and I think they're good. You know, I've got the Colts at 10. I got Buffalo at 8 or 9. I'm not sure what to do with Buffalo. I don't trust their defense. I don't have New England in it, and they just beat Buffalo. I don't do standings.

Jacksonville's four and one. Kansas City is two and three. I think Kansas City's better. I do. I think they're the better team. And I think when they get Rishi Rice, they'll take another jump up. I think Kansas City is an old team. They're going to be built for October, November, and December. It's just crazy right now. There's no great teams. There's great coaches. There's great quarterbacks. There's great units. I think the best unit in the league is the running back room for the lions and the offensive line for the lions. offensively Detroit is just a fricking handful, man. They are just blowing people out.

And you have to now, one of the things I've learned over the last couple years, as they've extended the schedule to 17 games, I think one of the things we have to all come to terms with is you just can't count week one. I mean, the Raiders beat the Patriots in week one. The Lions got smoked by Green Bay.

It's just an extension of preseason because nobody plays starters in the preseason. So week one is really teams Like it's an extension of the preseason. You can't, I mean, I had a winning, blazing five. I don't know how I lucked into that. But week two to now, I mean, there's some obvious, I just think the season now is so long that you're just going to have bad home games.

I'm not Buffalo last night, just the fumbles early. I think Buffalo is better than New England. I think they played them five times. They'd beat them four to five times. They didn't beat them last night at home. So I, you know, I watched this game. game. And I thought it would be a little lower scoring.

I thought it was wildly entertaining. You know, Trevor Lawrence, I was one of the first Trevor Lawrence fan boys. I saw him in high school. I went to a camp in San Diego. And he was down there with all that wild hair. And I came back on the air and I said, man, I just saw one of the best high school quarterbacks I've ever seen. He was insane.

But he is, man, fumbles, fumble at the goal line, bad interception. You know, the pick six. Mahomes did not see the defender. You know, the timing and the spot of that interception by Trevor Lawrence felt like it was worse. And he's just worth a couple of turnovers, it feels like, in big spots. But I will say is Jacksonville's problem isn't talent. It's sort of belief. I mean, for them to travel cross-country and beat San Francisco, that's impressive.

They had a really good special teams day. So they're finding kind of different ways to win. Kansas City. Give Trevor Lawrence credit, though, and that final drive, holy crow, that he have a couple of darts. And Kansas City was bringing heat,

and Spags was bringing like safety blitz, and he escaped. And he almost fell down on that winning touchdown. It was not artistic. But that throw to Michael Thomas up the right sideline,

that is as good to throw as Trevor Lawrence has made as a professional quarterback. that was a perfect throw. That was all-time stuff. That's Eli Manning to Mario Manningham in the Super Bowl, and he fits it in the bread basket. That throw by Trevor Lawrence will go down as one of his great throws as a pro

to beat Kansas City. So, you know, I know the record to say that the Jags are a better team. I'm not sure they are. You know, I don't think New England's better than Buffalo. I just thought it was a great night for them and a great win. I don't know what I'm going to do with a herd hire. I think Detroit's the best team in the league right now. But there's an argument, Tampa's second.

I thought Tampa beating Seattle and Seattle was so impressive. Well, because games are played on Mondays, a couple of them, and Thursdays. You don't always get the greatest Sunday slate. But some of the games today were fantastic. Tampa Bay 38, walk-off field goal to win it over Seattle 35. It looked like young Brady and Peyton Manning. I don't remember a game like that. Darnold's always been a little more athletic than Baker,

had a couple of all-timers. Baker just kept, they couldn't stop him. You know, Seattle's defense has really shut down a lot of good offenses in the last couple of years, especially at the end of last year. Baker had no problem with it. Ibuka had no problem with it. I guess my takeaway from this game was, if these two met in the NFC championship,

I wouldn't be shocked. I mean, it's an offensive league. I would not be shocked. I don't think tonight was a mirage. I think those are really good quarterbacks and really good teams full of excellent young players. And by the way, John, John Midlakov, two of the best GMs.

These rosters have dudes everywhere. Yeah, totally agree. I mean, at one point in time, Colin, it was 21, 21. They were 39 of 45 for 450 yards and three touchdowns. Like this is, but it just kept going on. I mean, they made play after play outside the construct of the play, right? Both of them scrambling around. We know Darnold, I mean, Baker now is a mobile, you know, behind the line of scrimmage.

They were fantastic. That was as entertaining of a game watching these two guys that have clearly resurrected their career now for a couple years. That was awesome. I mean, those guys, I know Sam, you know, the lasting image will be at him throwing the interception. But that was on Todd Bowles. called an incredible blitz. You saw in the slow-motion replay. It wasn't a bad path.

He got hit, and the ball went in the wrong direction. Both those guys couldn't miss. They felt like, you know, Steph Curry. When every time he shot, you just think the ball is going to hit nothing but net with both quarterbacks. Abuka, I mean, that draft pick, one thing I was taught a long time ago is at the time they drafted him. You're like, well, they got Mike Evans and Chris Godwin's coming back. They got Ott and they got multiple running backs. Why do they need a weapon?

because a position of strength can become a position of weakness with an injury or two. Look at the Chargers. Best offensive line in the league. Now you're looking like, who are these guys playing tackle for him? Injuries happen. I mean, this guy, I don't want to say saving their season, but, you know, Godwin's been out, and then he comes back, and then Evans gets hurt, and this guy, find me a better rookie right now in the NFL than the Mecca. He's been fantastic.

Remember a couple years ago, of course, you do Atlanta drafted Robinson, Bejohn Robinson, and the running back. Yeah. And I had a GM say, he's Ladanian Tomlinson, there's no flaw. Good teammate, good blocker,

everything. Ibuka, because he wasn't like a four, three guy, doesn't go in the top, you know, seven or eight. But I had an executive

in the league say, he's a flawless receiver. Routes, teammate, toughness, catch, hands, he's like,

there's just no flaw. But he'll drop because he's not huge and he's not, you know, he doesn't have a unicorn body type. but he's not a complete burner.

He is just a great football player. I mean, he is open, he doesn't drop it, he runs great. He runs 10-year veteran routes. And Seattle's secondary is good. Seattle's defense is good. And they torched it today. I would say the same thing about JSN also happened to be an Ohio State guy. I mean, I looking at the numbers right now, they combine for 15 catches, almost 300 yards,

multiple touchdowns. But both those guys are good examples, right? Neither of them would go in the top 10, because they're not quite big enough. They're more slot receivers. Like, no, they can do everything. They can play inside. They can play outside. You know what they do?

They get open every single play. Elite players, elite character guys, like you said, elite teammates. And sometimes at wide receiver, right? And you've been on this for decades. The little diva-ish, these guys are rare breeds. I mean, these guys are wired like quarterbacks or safeties or a little linebackers. I think a lot of it, John, is because when you are as big as D.K. Matt Caff, he was that big in the seventh grade.

He was the biggest strong. strongest kid and everybody was in all of them. Whereas Jackson Smith and Jigba, Mika, Abuka, they weren't the biggest kids. They weren't the fastest kids. They got there because they had a lot of talent and they worked their ass off to become great receivers. And I think Mike Evans is the rare, big, strong guy,

but super humble, hardworking, Keenan Allen. But Keenan's not a burner either. A lot of times the Antonio Browns, the D.K. Metcalfe, the guys that just are, have been, gifted, the fastest kid in every class, Tyreek Hill, probably the fastest kid in the fourth grade, fifth grade, sixth grade. And, you know, things come easy for you.

So a lot of these great receivers, like Larry Fitzgerald, you can just see the work ethic. You know, like Puka Nakua, fifth round guy, Amaran St. Brown. Look at the best receivers right now in the league. Puka, Amar on St. Brown, these two rookies. It's a lot of guys that are talented, but you'd view them as classic overachievers. of them are burners, none of them outside Mike Evans, you know, don't walk into a room and inspire awe. They're just dudes who got some genetic gifts, work super hard, and it's just, you know,

it's just like you go find a great attorney. He had smart parents. You know, he didn't have dummies his parents, but the truth is he put the effort in because there's a million attorneys, right? You got to fight through it. So I just watched JSN and Abuka, and I just look at it. And I just look at to me, you really have to be careful when drafting wide receivers. I mean, I saw another running back drop the ball at the goal line today, Arizona, Tennessee. Like, you watch Arizona, Tennessee today, there's talent on the field, but just not just airs and fumbles. Kyler Murray at one point left the game. I'm not even sure he got hit, like moods.

And I just watched Tampa and I watch Seattle, and I see great GMs and a lot of good character guys and a lot of tough guys and a lot of redemption stories. that was so much fun. I also think it's a, if you're a defensive coach out there, like an assistant or a coordinator, it shows you obviously these offensive coordinators have taken over the league, and rightfully so, the quarterback's really important. But Todd Bowles is an old school, like a safety from the 80s, right, who has become, you know, he was Bruce Ariens' right-hand man for a long time.

He got some experience with the Jets. Like, he's a really good coach. And he's an excellent defensive coordinator. I've been saying for years, Mike McDonald is basically Kyle or Sean. He just happens to call defense. If he was an offensive coordinator, we would speak about him no differently than we do Kevin O'Connell. But he's a defensive guy, and you saw today those guys have empowered their quarterback. I mean, Todd's probably one of the great blitz callers in league history.

Spags has turned into one. Jim Johnson forever. It's a skill. And that call won them the game because that was a game. And even for a split second when they had. tied the game. I went, Todd's going to allow them to go for two. And it turned out it was just Baker holding it up,

hoping they would give, I think Todd's goal, you know, the field goal kicker on. But that's another thing. I mean, in a day and age when these field goals are kind of getting blocked, their field goal kicker in Tampa, I don't know if the guy's missed. I mean, he's a game winner after game winner, pretty nails. Also, when the guy hit the ground on essentially the game winning run,

probably could have got a couple more yards, but you talk about coaching, clearly told him in the huddle, if you break this, it's an outbreaking run. If you get near the sideline, whether it's a first down or not, get to the ground. We have seen in college and the pros sometimes guys, like they have a brain fart. They go out of balance. They save the team a timeout. So it's just a high-level operation.

I'm with you. That game, I think Seattle's going nowhere. I mean, the 49ers are 4-1, but half their teens on injured reserve. Tampa, I mean, is Tampa 49er game next week? you know, Tampa now has to fly. I mean, what time are they going to get out of their 7 o'clock Pacific standard time? They won't get home until the middle of the night.

The 49ers have this long break. They're missing a ton of players. That's a huge win for them, though. I mean, that's a massive, go on the road to Seattle and 4'1. Man. Todd Bulls struggled with the jets. Darnold, disaster with the jets. Devonte Adams, disaster with the jets.

Aaron Rogers, much better version of Aaron Rogers. it's a cesspool. And we'll get into the Jets loss today, which may have been like rich coatite level bad. Think about people aren't only leaving the Jets and winning. They're flourishing. They lead their division, their MVP candidates.

That is a bad organization. I remember when Todd Bowles was with the Jets, you know, and people would always rip him. He was a little like Carl Dorell, UCLA the first year. He didn't even know, he didn't have much of a persona on the sideline. He got lost within the sideline. You couldn't find him.

but Todd was always so smart and so thoughtful, and he was just one of those guys, like, he didn't want, and he was the opposite of Rex Ryan, like he didn't want any attention. But over the course of your life, if you do good work and you just keep your head down, a lot of people get fired, it doesn't mean anything, you'll be rewarded.

Todd Bowles was too good not to succeed in this league. Same with Sam. And look at, you know, I think you brought up the two GMs. You know, Mike's going to have a long career came from the Ravens, but Todd, imagine if he would have got his second opportunity with the Carolina Panthers or some of these franchises. He got Jason Light, who anyone in the league will tell you is easily one of the best GMs, just a high-level humble guy who's seen it all, worked for everyone that mattered in

the league over the last 20 years. And their team, like, they have had so many injuries. And you watch them play. I mean, offensively, they're missing their starting running back and their Hall of Fame wide receiver. And how many points do they just? I mean, they scored 38 points? I mean, that's on the road against Seattle.

In Seattle. Wow. What a game. Seattle is a Sam Darnold fumble and a Sam Darnold pick, and both times he either bumped into a teammate or had somebody bump into him or Seattle could be an undefeated team. So this game is Seattle's a really good team. They're the second youngest offense in the league. So if you're a Seahawk fan, you've got some good years ahead. You know, it's also, I don't know, I mean, I wouldn't worry about drafting a quarterback if I'm Seattle. I think they found, I mean, Darnal, I mean, Darnal, still young. He's still... Totally. When he was drafted by the Jets, he was 21. I think he's 27 or 28 now. You got four more, five more peak years.

Yeah, to me, I mean, I'm sure we'll talk about college. You look around the landscape of college football. It doesn't look like a lot of Joe Burroughs coming into the league here. I would say this, though. Sometimes there's a win-win. Fit matters. Like, I'm way better off as a podcaster than I was local radio when we had ties to the team. It's not.

Kubiak, like, they hire Kubiak, and they get rid of Ryan, Grub, well, Ty Simpson and Alabama are rolling, right? And Ryan Grub's much better fit for college. And they get Kubiak, who's more of a run heavy, great for Sam. And it's just worked out for both parties, right? Kubiak last year fired as well. Sometimes in football, you just get with the right person. Sam now, look at Sam now. We talk about the Jets for three straight years. Kyle, Kyle embraces him, purdy embraces him, changes the way we talk about him. Then he gets his opportunity with Kevin. and now he's in Seattle. I mean, just flourishing.

Same thing with Baker Mayfield. He goes to Tampa, gets around Jason Light, gets around Mike Evans, and just a more low-key environment. I've been there. I've never lived there like you, but it's just an easier place

to just kind of ease into things. Ian Baker, the media in Tampa is more supportive. Baker's one of those guys that sometimes if he feels like he has to overcome the GM and the coach, that he tries too hard.

he's very composed now he's got a support system he's happily married baker does has nothing to prove everybody knows he's good he's playing with a very controlled chip on his shoulder but it's a good chip on his shoulder i agree it's it's it's like he doesn't have to prove anything everybody loves him in tampa and in cleveland he and hugh jackson battled and then freddie kitchens and then the gm and and then the media was on his ass because the cleveland media is you know it's it's it's bitter it's it's i don't blame him tampa's got trophies and they don't. So I think it's, and I people, I know they find this hard

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I think they have stars. I don't care if it's Pittman, Warren. Jonathan Taylor's outstanding. He just doesn't, he's not a, you know, Sey Juan Barclay is, you know, you get these running backs who stylistically they pop. And Jonathan Taylor was always just a. speed guy out of college. He wasn't shifty.

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It's the opposite of what Pete Carroll likes. He is so much about clean football, run the game, run the ball. I think the Raiders are just a big work in progress when Colton Miller gets hurt. O-line. It's just one of the worst five in the league. But you look at the Colts. I mean, the Chiefs will probably beat the Jags tomorrow. I don't know.

I look at the Colts like I look at Tampa. Now, Baker's better than Daniel Jones. but coaches who some people started doubting, you know, like Stuyken with Anthony Richardson, oh, Stuyken's lost his magic, but that Tampa roster went healthy, that Colts roster, I know they're a middle of the country,

flyover country, I think the Colts are good. I really do. DJ had a pass, a touchdown where he rolled out and everyone's going to get, it's the Raiders. It's not about the opponent

where he was just on the move, guy in the back of the end zone, he split it through, a defender. You know, I've always compared him to Alex Smith. He's got a better arm than Alex Smith. No question. His arm actually is better than I thought.

And sometimes it just takes you with a credible offense to really get to see that arm talent. It's pretty, you watch Baker and Sam, you're like, these guys can sling it. You're watching Daniel Jones in 2025. I would have said forever he's got an average to below average arm. Like, his arm is more than strong enough. He's not Josh Allen, but it's he's heaving that thing in there. He's a big guy.

To me, the Warren pick looks fantastic. He has been easily one of the best rookies in the league. I mean, obviously, the Raiders are bad, but I would say the Colts... John? I think the Colts can win a playoff game. I mean, I think the Colts can be a factor in the AFC, especially now it's definitely opening more up, right? They are the most efficient offense in the league. They went eight for 10 on third down, so they've become an incredibly efficient offense.

John, they had the ball only 26 minutes. They scored 40 points. No offense in this league is more efficient. I know going into the Rams game, Daniel Jones is 20 a 29. So it's like we look at Baker and Sam. I mean, it's really the story this year is the story of redemption. I mean, Baker leads his division. Sam's great.

Daniel Jones. It's, it's. I do wonder if you got Shane Steichen over cocktails and Ballard, if they knew, like when they truly, was it a week into training camp? This isn't even a close competition. Did they know before training camp just based on ITAs? I think they did. I think they did. I had, listen, I was talking to Steve Kime about a year ago, and we were out.

And I said, what do you make of Anthony Richardson? And Steve, Steve said, man, Colin, he said, you got to be able to hit those layups in the flat. And he said, you know, I looked at some of the film. And he's like, you know, if anybody can do it, Shane Steichen can fix it. But Kime and I were talking about it. And he just said, you know, if you have to work on that stuff, if you're spending a lot of practice time on that stuff, it's really hard. And because, you know, generally with Baker, you're dealing with high-end stuff. Baker solved all that stuff.

With Baker, it can be concepts and defense. You're not worried about the layup stuff. So, and then I talked to somebody else, a GM, an active GM in the league. And he echoed what Steve Kima told me, it's just like, gosh, if you're struggling with the, the underneath stuff, you know, you're spending a lot of time on that. You have to spend so much time on that to get that right. Then you're not really, that's elementary stuff in the league. You're not dealing with the second and third and fourth level stuff.

You also can't call a game that you want to call in the NFL. I remember I got off the phone with this GM in the league, and my take was, well, God, if I don't trust a guy to throw it downfield, I can't call the same game. I just eliminated 35% of the playbook. So I think with Daniel Jones, you can use the whole playbook. That's the difference. Isn't it crazy, you know, the redemption season? Even watching Carson Wentz with Kevin O'Connell, it's like, he actually doesn't look that terrible.

You know? I mean, it's like, the power of some of these offensive coordinators, that also, because what are usually offensive coordinators their head coaches have, pretty good skill guys around them, right? Kevin O'Connell, they got a pretty loaded roster. You know, Shane Stuyck, and they've invested some picks and some money into the offensive skill guys, right? You play for Shanahan, you play for McVeigh, you play for LaFleur, like. Like, they emphasize that side of the ball in terms of people, you know, the wide receivers, the running backs, the tight ends. These guys look a lot better than some of the franchise that failed them.

I mean, you go back to the Giants. I mean, Daniel Jones was horrendous. I get asked a lot. Like, is this going to, if Daniel Jones, I mean, is in the MVP conversation, this team wins 13 or 14 games. Clearly, the Giants aren't, what were they going to win five games? And listen, it was time for a breakup. I didn't blame them. It was not working.

But this is one of those things, like, oh, ultimately, Seekwan Bar. is much better with the great offensive line. But if I'm the Giants ownership, I pay my head coach who's the play caller. I know he's kind of bounced around being the play caller, but he's an offensive guy to fix that position. And this guy, we had this guy. Hell, we paid this guy.

And then he goes to another offensive coordinator as the head coach. And it looks like Sam Darnold or Baker Mayfield. How's that possible? You know, how can that happen? This guy is going to get, I mean, Shane Seichen and Chris Baller are going to get contract extensions. I would imagine before the playoffs start. It's going that well.

All right, Danny Parkins, as he is prone to do at least once a month, sometimes more, FS1, is joining us. And it's a day of breaking news. There are multiple reports. This is crazy. Sometimes you don't predict something, but you're not surprised when it happens. Like your buddy who drives too fast, you wouldn't predict he gets into a wreck. But if it happens, you know, bangs into a fire hydrant, and you'd be like, well, Bob drives a little fast. Bill Belichick may not last the season.

They're working on a buyout. And, you know, first of all, whenever you get a friends and family staff, he and Mike Lombardi, kids on the staff, highly compensated, I'm never a huge fan of that. But I think sometimes we look at college as this inferior product to the NFL, and in terms of, like, talent it is. But it is a really hard trail to navigate. donors, boosters, NIL, AD, NCAA. When you're an NFL coach, you have an impulsive owner, then you kind of just do what you want to do. I mean, Brett Veach is not banging down a door to tell Andy what to run on second and four.

I could argue there are more landmines for a college coach than a pro coach. And I just don't think Bill at this point has the tolerance for it. That's kind of my take. He's just not built for college football. I don't think he ever wanted to be there in the first place. I said it at the time. I was like, I'm going to be the last person who believes that this is going to actually happen. Like, it all felt beneath him.

Like, I remember when he was photographed at a chick-fil-A in Atlanta after his interview with Arthur Blank. Like, that was two hiring cycles ago. And then he went and then he did all of the media jobs. And he was hoping to get another NFL job. And it never came. And so he was like, well, I guess coaching in college is better than doing media. And I'm sure for a lifelong coach, that is correct. But then you saw the buyout reports that it dipped down to just a million bucks.

He was like, oh, he wants to leave open any path to get back to the NFL. He never wanted to be there in the first place. And then on top of it, the embarrassing. with whatever you think about the girlfriend situation, the reporting around that, the losing, and then that's all before any of the things that you're talking about, which are, of course, totally true and valid. But, like, if you didn't really want to be there in the first place,

and then you start getting mocked for being there, and then you start losing, and you've got 18-year-old kids mouthing off to you, like, he has to be miserable right now, Colin. Yeah. And, like, Lombardi's an NFL guy. Charlie Weiss had some early success at Notre Dame, but Charlie has got kind of that gruff, Northeast personality. And that's fine. Some of those guys lived out there for 10 years. I liked a lot of guys like that. They're really bottom line.

They're kind of gruff. They're kind of curt. But, you know, Carolina, the Carolinas is different. Everybody's got a little y'all. It's, you know what I mean? Like Roy Williams, Dean Smith, there's a certain sensibility to it. And I just, it's a weird fit to me. I think I've told you this before. Maybe I'm obsessed with this, but I'm always surprised when very successful, seemingly bright older men can't, aren't self-aware, like Bobby Knight. Bobby, you got to do the one and done. Everybody's doing it.

You're going to get inferior players. Just too stubborn. And Bill Belichick, Bill, you can't spit on. on Robert Kraft. Like, he's an owner. Owners are tight. Don't. You're not going to win.

It'd be like me going against the Murdox. Like, just be a good employee, work your butt off. If they do something you don't like, eat it, deal with it. You know, it's like, I just, sometimes I see these older men and they get stuck in their ways. We all know in our 20s, you kind of have to follow in line. Maybe it's the wealth. Maybe it's the I don't give a damn. But, I mean, the idea that he wouldn't let, he wouldn't, like, tweet Drake May, you know, stuff because he was a patriot.

Like, does that, I don't know, have you ever thought about that? We've seen like the Tony LaRuces, the Belichicks, the Bobby Knights. You're like, guys, rigid punctures brilliant. Don't do it. Yeah, I mean, Barack Obama said it recently. I mean, and obviously he's a great orator, but he said something like 80% of the world's problems. involve old men hanging on who are afraid of death and insignificance. Like, there's something to that.

And we've got, like, an age minimum for you to be president. I'd be interested in an age maximum, you know, like a sweet spot there for just, like, you want the people who are governing on the things in our world, like, it to, like, maybe impacts them. And so, yeah, I think, like, not to come across as too agists here, but, because there are clearly exceptions to the rule, but I didn't want, I wouldn't have wanted my NFL team to hire Pete Carroll.

And I know you disagreed on that, and you like Pete Carroll, and by all accounts, Pete Carroll is like a young mid-70s guys. Yeah, that's what I say. It was an exception. Sure. And that's fine.

And I'll, you know better than I do, so I'll grant you that one. But like, the Bears had an opening. If you told me it was Ben Johnson or Pete Carroll, I'll take Ben Johnson 11 times out of 10, even though he's not proven as a head, coach and Pete Carroll is, but I'd be betting on upside. I'd be betting on ability to connect with young players. I'd be betting on a longer runway where he could stay there. So yeah, I think that

it's a real danger for a ton of people, like that they just get caught in their way, they get stuck in their ways and they don't evolve. You know, there was a reporting that Bill Belichick was pitching these kids that like North Carolina was going to be like the 33rd NFL team. That just seems laughable now. It seems so laughable that he thought that he could just show up in Chapel Hill with inferior talent and just be a pipeline to the pros. Plug for my book, by the way. Pipeline the pros.

The, yeah, the whole thing, you know, there's a serious argument to me made. I've said this before. Men are bad at exits. We have a million pickup lines. but we break up with somebody and don't even text. We can get into wars. We can always rationalize getting into wars. We can never get out of them.

Men are bad at exits. And when somebody goes through something, I put myself in that spot. I think what would I would have done? And I look when Brady retired in New England and my take, just for selfishly for for legacy preservation, I would have said, said, listen, I owe the crafts one year of stability. And I'm going to root for Tom Brady harder than anybody's ever rooted for a player. We'll never be the same franchise without Tom. I'm going to stay for one year to just get some stability here and get people kind of ready,

and then I'm going to retire. And Bill has kind of a walkoff here. Because if you remember, they get Cam Newton. He praised Cam Newton. Cam was past his prime, but you know, it was okay. here comes Mack Jones. You know, there was a real moment in time. Bill didn't need the money, and he knew the team wasn't as good. And then he kind of stayed and stayed. In fact, I made, I said this on the air, Danny. I said, I don't think this is true.

But knowing Bill's petty and grudge holding personality, go to that last draft that Bill controlled, slowest team in the league, two kickers, and three interior linemen. it was like he was saying, I'm going to leave you with an awful roster. I mean, at one point, they drafted three guards, like two kickers, and they had no speed. And I think I really do, if you look at that last draft when Belichick knew he was in trouble, it was the decisions, Matt Patricia, offensive coordinator, it was like he wanted to humiliate. He knew his legacy was said. he wanted to humiliate the franchise.

I know it sounds crazy, and I don't believe it's true, but it's not the nuttiest thing I've ever said. Well, no, that's a high bar to clear. Yeah, I mean, he, the Patricia, the drafts, I think there's like a real legitimate argument to make when you look at the drafts and beyond the last one of, like, Bill Belichick as an evaluator of talent, leaves a ton to be desired.

Oh, God, on the offensive side, that's kind. Right, exactly. And so he is, someone asked me earlier, like, do you think this impacts his legacy? Because you kind of hinted at that. I don't think so. Like, I think that it's humiliating right now. This is very embarrassing. It feels beneath him, and I thought that, like I said, I said it on FS1 when I was doing

breakfast ball. I was like, I don't believe that he's going to go to North Carolina because I don't believe he wants to do it. And now he's just kind of seen it through and it's clearly going horribly. But like in 20 years when we're talking about the greatest coaches of all time, he's going to be on everyone's Mount Rushmore. Like that's, his legacy is secure. We don't talk about wizards. We don't talk about Emmett Smith with the Cardinals. Like this is like a of the moment thing.

Now, if you want to have the. like who was more responsible for the Patriots dynasty, Brady or Belichick? Pretty clear. Pretty clear. Pretty clear. Even though like some of the earlier Super Bowls before Brady was really Brady, those were more Belichick, but like the majority of them were more Tom than Bill. And then obviously Bill won the break, or Tom won the breakup with what happened in Tampa.

So like if you're having that specific legacy conversation, Brady over Belichick, I think now is going to be not a majority opinion. Like, I think it's going to be a consensus. But his, but his, like, greatest football coach of, coaches of your lifetime, like, he's on one hand. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some big news.

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You know, since 2017. So that's going to be nine years. He's like, first and passing touchdowns. First, like, I think people are shocked. He's had seven offensive coordinators. He was great with six. Like, he works with everybody. And I think, to me, that's always been it.

It'd be one thing if we're in TV and you had this one great producer. And the rest of your career, eight shows bombed. It's like, okay, who was your partner? Who was your producer? seven coordinators, six he's crushed. And it's like, guys, his, I always think Hall of Fame are great 10 years. That's why I never understood the Jim Rice. I know he wasn't, he was difficult with the press or something, but Jim Rice, when I was a kid,

was the best right-handed American League power hitter for a decade. Like, it was just like he was one of two. He and Fred Lynn were the Red Sox. And like, people went back and forth and I'm like, what? 10 years of greatness is hard. Your peak maybe eight physical years. And so if you look at Jared Goff, he has eight great years. Well, this front office is so good.

Amarang St. Brown's in his prime. The running backs, one's young, one's not that old. Penae Sewell is just entered his prime. He's going to have three to four big years with Detroit or somebody. Jared's a Hall of Famer. And he's made no enemies. Even McVeigh feels guilty for letting him go. He definitely seems like a very nice guy.

Yeah, and Leporta and Jameson Williams are young. You know, so yeah, he's got plenty of young talent. The numbers are ridiculous. The only thing I would say is, because I love the Lions, and they've been my Super Bowl pick three years in a row. So eventually maybe I'll get it right. It's not just a stats thing. You know, like, it's, it's not.

Like, he does, he will need to, to hoist a trophy. Because, like, I, like, I think Stafford is in, because Stafford is going to finish sixth all time in passing. Yeah, Stafford's in. I agree. Andy has the trophy. But, like, if Stafford didn't have the trophy. Very hard.

Probably not. That's what, but he's got numbers that are farce. I mean, obviously, we'll see where Jared Gough ends up. But, like, it's not like a guarantee that Jared Gough ends up top five all time in passing yards. He might. It helps. It does help, even though it's not linear,

it does help that Goff is better with the lions than Stafford was. Yes. If you look at it and you're like, God, Gough crushed. And Stafford never did. Now, one of them had the best young GM in the sport or one of the best GMs. So it's not apples to orange apples, right? It's different. But I do think there's, you know, that's just one of those things you look at.

And you're like, well, Gough won big in Detroit. And we all know it's same ownership. Right. You know, quirky head coach and Dan Campbell, he didn't have McVeigh. Yeah, but I think that like, in a vacuum in their prime, starting a team. Right. Stafford. Stafford.

Exactly. Exactly. And so, and again, that's also not the criteria for the Hall of Fame. Right. But I remember a GM was like, my job is to evaluate. evaluate individual talent amidst the team's sport. Like that's like the job of the football general manager, right? And so like it's why I've always been a big Herbert guy.

And like it just, I watch him. And no, not everyone is a free agent. We are not doing this to start a team. But I'm like, that guy is one of the five best at the position. He just doesn't have, he doesn't have the trophy case for it. Stafford in his prime always felt like the same type of thing to me. I would love to give Howie Roseman the ability to build a team around Matt Stafford, to give Brett Veach, to give Brad Holmes, the general manager of the Lions,

to build around the great quarterback because he is a Hall of Fame talent, and now I do think that Stafford has enough of a resume that he will ultimately get in. Golf, I think, is going to need a trophy. Like if he has regular season success and counting stats, the Pro Football Hall fame is really tough to get into. So I think they're going to have to break through and start winning in the playoffs. I want to end with this because it's kind of a think piece. Derek Thompson writes for the Atlantic.

He's one of my favorite writers. He's kind of a theorist. He loves new data. He loves culture changes. And last week, he was talking, and he acknowledges he is center left, and he admits it. He doesn't hide it. But I think he's a really interesting read. I think he does a podcast for The Ringer.

At the volume, we were really interested. in him. We didn't reach out, but he was one of the two or three people that we were just fascinated with. And it's really an interesting thing he brought up this week. He was complaining about conservatives doing something. He goes, but what equally drives me crazy is that progresses in California, many are against Waymo. And their take is we are unemployed people. This is not good for jobs. And his argument was, time out. We do not want to be the party that's anti-tech. The conservatives are anti-science.

We can't be anti-tech. And I read that and I thought, it is fascinating. I used to live in Oregon, very liberal. And gas stations, you can't pump your own gas. And Oregon's theory is it keeps thousands of people employed in the state of Oregon. And it rains a lot. So I kind of like somebody pumping my gas, to be honest with you. And by the way, gas stations are kind of dirty.

You know, you're touching stuff. So it's like, I always kind of thought it was cool. You talk to the guy or gal, and it's like, that's good. So where would you fall on this? It absolutely will create job loss. I mean, there's no question. Uber drivers are in big trouble in California because I'm telling you where I live. Waymo cars are everywhere, Danny, and I prefer them.

Nothing against the driver, but no driver? Yeah. And by the way, nobody has stale candy. Nobody wants to ask me about the Eagles. I get in the car. It gets there fast. And I'm a Waymo guy. Wow. Then tens of thousands of people could lose their jobs. As somebody, you acknowledge, your center left. What do you do if you're a Democrat in California? Yeah. So my take is I'm pro technology and nobody has a right to a job. I grew up in a fishing village. And because the state of Washington limited salmon distribution or the number of salmon you could catch, salmon fishermen lost work. And my stepdad, who was a very much kind of a man of nature and a man of earth and a fisherman. And I used to argue with him. I'm going into broadcasting. If radio die tomorrow, I don't have a right to a job.

And so it was like, you know, just because you're a fisherman at 28 doesn't mean you're at 48. Like, states have legislation. They protect our earth. So I'm for Waymo, which means I'm kind of for job loss. Where do you land? Yeah, that's a good one. I think in, I am pro-innovation.

And I am, and like, there's a lot of problems with people. capitalism, but it might be, it's the best we got. Like, they could kind of a play on that, the old, you know, democracy is the worst form of government except for all the other ones, you know? And so like, are there problems with it? Yes. Are there unintended

consequences? Absolutely. But I don't think you want to be in the business of stifling innovation. Because what's the next thing that that would, like, I'd be thrilled if there was some level of innovation that made people. pediatric cancer doctors have to go extinct because we had solved it.

You know, and so, like, it's the type of thing where, like, just in general, innovation is good. Like, the easy pass put toll booth workers out of business. Yeah. But it's objectively better. Like, we don't have to stop. We don't have to keep coins in our car. We can just keep going on our drive, but it put people out of business for a better way of life. So I've never been in a driverless car before.

So I'm glad, like, I wouldn't be the test case for it. So, like, I'm glad to hear that you're doing it and it's going well. But, like, I think that type of, like, if they can do it and they clearly can, and I, I'm aware of Waymo and I'm aware of the fact that this is becoming more and more popular, like, it's just going to lead to less auto crashes. It's going to lead to people being safer. It's going to lead to fewer death. It's going to lead a fewer deaths.

Oh, no question. Also, there are safety concerns with women and male Uber drivers. I mean, that's nothing against Uber. There have been lots of lawsuits. You can go back and look at the history of Uber. Right. And there have been lots of lawsuits. You eliminate that.

You eliminate. I mean, there's no question the number of car deaths will plummet in America. So, like, that to me, an obvious negative is the job loss. But there are so many also. so positives that come with it that that one to me is not terribly difficult to be like, yeah, like, I'm fine with it. I'm fine with it. And in general, again, like, I, there was a story arc in the wire.

The wire to me is the greatest television show ever. And that show came out 20 years ago, 20 plus years ago, about like the dock workers and how they could unload and offload ships, like cargo ships, big containers that were. way, you know, thousands of tons and all that stuff. And there were the stevedores were like, that's going to put us out of jobs. And is, and they're like, yeah, but you're not going to die on the job. And then the stevedore's like, but I'd rather get injured on the job and have a job. But that's not, that's not the point. The guy who developed the technology to offload the cargo ship faster, more efficiently, no stealing, no injuries, that guy created that company to do it.

That was innovation. It was progress, moving it forward. And so it sucks. And by the way, you mentioned the radio thing. I turned 39 in two weeks. I have no idea what the next 20 years of media is going to look like. And what my career in this industry, cable television, cord cutting, podcasting, it keeps evolving. We have to keep evolving in our field.

A lot of people have to keep evolving in theirs. So it doesn't, I feel bad for the individual who would lose their job enough to make me anti-innovation and progress. I mean, listen, I did local TV sports. That kind of dried out. That's a good example. That was a job that in Chicago. You make a million dollars a year or 20 years ago? Correct.

Correct. Exactly. That was a seven-figure job into the first part of the 21st century. like Mark Jean Greco, friend of mine in Chicago, legend covered like the Bulls dynasties and all that, he was still making north of a million dollars into the 2000s. Now the people that have that job, low six figures and nobody watches, you know,

it's just a completely different ecosystem. And that's just the way of the world. So are you, are you totally, have you ever had an issue, by the way, driverless car? Waymo. Yeah, the vast majority of people here have never been in a drive, listening to this, I've never been in a driverless car. Yeah, I've been in three.

They're fantastic. And I'm not, I'm not anti-Ur. I've spent a lot of money on Uber, but there is a gap in Uber drivers. And if you go, if you go the lower levels of Uber, I had an Uber driver because I had a very short drive recently in Chicago. He pulled up to my street and stopped in the middle of the street. Didn't pull into my driveway. There were 30 cars as I walked on the road to get in and, like, bowed my head and apologized. And it was the cheapest level of it because it was like a six-minute drive to the train station.

So, like, Waymo, everybody's good. They're all the exact same. There's no good, bad, smelly. I mean, I've gotten into Uber cars before and the music's loud. And it smells, like hygiene issues. It's like it's rare, but it happens. Yeah. And there's no question.

question. So I, in Chicago, I take an Uber every day about a seven to 10 minute drive from where I work to OECO. Ogilvy train station. Yeah. The gap in competency is startling. The volume. Hey guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a First people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it, but, you know, tired and sick. Tired and sick.

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