The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast Prime Cuts - College Football Playoff Reaction, Bills A “One & Done” In Playoffs? Steelers & Tomlin Headed For Divorce?

Episode Date: January 3, 2026

Colin's top takes of the week. He's joined by John Middlekauff, host of “3 and Out” to break down the NFL & college football playoff. They start with the Eagles holding off a late rally by the Bills to win in Buffalo and agree the Bills are entirely too Josh Allen dependent when he’s clearly not 100%, and discuss the hot/cold nature of the Eagles offense. They both agree the Bills look like a one and done team in the playoffs (3:00). They move to the Steelers loss to the Browns putting their playoff hopes in jeopardy and point to DK Metcalf’s suspension making their offense completely inept and discuss whether Mike Tomlin’s tenure in Pittsburgh has run its course (15:45). They move to the College Football Playoff and start with Indiana’s blowout of Alabama.  Colin explains why Curt Cignetti’s coaching has produced a Hoosier team that’s great in every facet of the game (29:00). They also break down what makes Fernando Mendoza such a great quarterback (35:00). Finally, they recap Miami’s thumping of Ohio State and Colin predicts the Hurricanes will meet Indiana in the championship game. They credit Mario Cristobal’s recruiting prowess for building a physically imposing roster full of NFL talent (41:45). (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates!  #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I think when you're the home team, you've got to go for it. You have Josh Allen. You have momentum. You've dominated the second half. I mean, I don't, did Philadelphia, what do they have, 17 yards in the second half? Like I like, let's start with that. I like going for it. I think that's the play at home.

Yeah, I think you go for it, especially because win or lose, you're not going to win the division with the Patriots. playing the Dolphins next week. So you're locked into a wild card, I think, the way you look at it. Now, you're in that position because your field goal unit couldn't convert an extra point, right? And you could also argue, you know, the Eagles, they had nine more first downs the bills did than the Eagles. Yet the Eagles going into the fourth quarter up 13 to nothing. I thought in the first half, I mean, they're just getting worked. If you would have told me with going into the fourth quarter that the bills would have a chance, I get it's only 13 to nothing, but the way

they looked. Josh Allen was going to have a chance to win the game. Pretty remarkable. I mean, the guy's kind of superhuman. I mean, listen, the Eagles had four defensive players make the Pro Bowl. The Bills didn't have any. Cooper to Jean today was unbelievable. It was all over the field. I mean, I think we could both admit this, is that Philadelphia's got the better roster. I mean, they really do. They, I mean, that's not in close, I think. Like, I'm the same thing. They don't have a defensive pro bowler in Buffalo. You know, once again, the Eagles, I thought in the first half, it was a complete utter mismatch. I'm like, are they going to win this thing like 27 to 3? But again, I think Philadelphia, and you can complain about it, but they got really conservative.

Their takeaway was, we're going to make them drive down the field. I mean, you could argue that Brandon Cook's catch and the Shavers catch, you know, those are really uniquely not lucky. These are pro athletes. Brandon Cook's been around the league, bounced around forever. But you may not complete. If you did that five times with that coverage, with both, you wouldn't get. completion. They ran a hook and ladder on the last drive, Colin. It would look like Boise State

against Oklahoma. I mean, three really tough plays for Josh Allen, the interception, the huge loss on the sack, and then the missed two-point conversion. So again, but they put so much on Josh Allen. At one point, they took a shot of the offensive coordinator upstairs, and Josh had missed on something. They're kind of complaining, like, what are you doing, Josh? And I'm thinking, guys, this is an average roster. You have a good left tackle? and James Cook's a nice player. That wide receiving core is Hammondeggers. I mean, that's just bounced around the league guys.

I'm surprised. Brandon Cooks was thinking of retiring years ago. You know, he had some concussion issues. He's a real grinder, loves the game. But a lot of people thought years ago he was going to leave just because of the concussions. But he bounces around because he's a good teammate, hard worker, diligent, as Tom Brady talked about the broadcast. But I don't know. I watched that game.

You know, it's funny. In the first half, I thought Hertz made really good throws. Crappy weather. I would like a couple of them like to AJ Brown were even the incompletion what looked like AJ Brown's hand was being held. I'm like, boy, Jalen is in a rhythm. But it's weird with Philadelphia, John. You know it well.

It just dies. The offense just dies. Well, their offensive line's not as good so they can't just lean on the run game. I mean, that's a killer for them. Last year, they could just hammer Sequin and he would go, he had 19 for 68. The 2024 version of this team, I think he has 20 carries for 150 yards. you know, I think that's the big difference. They just can't lean on you and he's not breaking off these 40-yard runs and just ending the game,

which he was doing last year. I'm with you. The first half, my takeaway was, I don't know if I'd want to play this Eagle team. I mean, because Jalen Carter's back, their defensive line looks fantastic. The Hunt kid, who I think is a third rounder. You got Jordan Davis. You got, you know, Bond, the linebacker, their DBs. Like you said, Dijin.

Vic Fangio, you're like, this unit is fantastic. and offensively, there's no disputing their talent. You know, AJ Devante Goddard, had that touchdown. I mean, I thought the play calling on the one drive, even Tom Brady was like, you know, they ran like A.J. Brown on a big post to the left, and then they had a play action play.

They got him a touchdown. It was like, you know, when they run drives, well, you go, this is one of the best teams in the league. And then they have halves where they get 17 yards with a $50 million dollar quarterback to $30 million wide receivers and a $25 million running back. It doesn't really make sense, but it happens over and over. Well, when they get leads and get conservative, what they do is stop throwing to A.J. Brown.

Like A.J. Brown in the first half, crucial. Second half. Where is A.J. Brown? Why aren't you throwing the ball to A.J. Brown? He is a much better athlete than the guy's covering in the secondary. Like, it's one thing if you don't want to throw the ball to the bill receivers, because the two Pro Bowl corners for the Eagles and the pass rush. But if you're Philadelphia, throw the ball. to A.J. Brown. He's, he's dealing with guys that aren't in his class. So it's just, you know, it's, in the second half, I wrote it down here with 11 minutes left in the fourth quarter, Hertz was

0 for six. And I'm like, they were doing all this smart short stuff in the first half, getting A.J. Goddard, like really clever stuff, three step drop, get it out. And they just stopped doing it. I was like, just go back to the stuff you were doing in the first half. So that's one of the reasons I don't think Philadelphia wins a Super Bowl is I don't, every, Seattle's about the only team that doesn't have a huge hole. That doesn't mean Seattle's great at a bunch of stuff, but they don't have a huge hole. Texans offense, you know, Rams special teams. The Eagles have these halves where they just don't throw the ball to AJ Brown. Yeah. Mistify. One note I had at halftime was Jalen is playing really well making pro bowl level throws. Yes. You know,

in those conditions too. So part of the reason it was so impressive, you're going to this place that has some of the worst weather in America. It's pouring rain. Brady keeps harping on it. These guys were the wrong gloves. Balls are going right through. The Eagles are just dialed in, moving the ball at will relative to them. Their quarterbacks in complete control and their defense. You know, that play you mentioned where Josh Allen scrambled around and got sacked. I can kind of live with that. It's like, yeah, Steph Curry's going to miss some 35-foot threes. He takes a lot of them. He takes a lot of those plays into touchdowns. You know, I don't think, he takes that sack if he psychologically believed in his roster. I think Josh feels like I've got

to make a play. I mean, that receiving core is just not good. I mean, it's funny. We thought New England had this bad receiving core this year. I look at New England's. I'm like, Williams, Biggs. Booty. Diggs. And I'm like, no, it's fine. It's actually really good. even compared to like average receiving course. Buffalo is maybe the most average in the league. I think Josh, when I watched that sack, I'm like, you can't take that sack. And I was thinking about it. He's like, well, I have to take one or two of those games.

I have to make some big. I mean, they're big plays. Think about it. Hook and lateral, clever call. And then two deep balls. One felt like luck. And the other one was a, I don't remember the last time Brandon Cook had a catch that big and that good in the game.

Like that's their offense. kind of. Like sometimes it's just you have to generate it doing either unique stuff or you feel like they got a pass interference break. I didn't like that call at all. And then they got the ball down the right sideline the next play. That was that was a weird drive. Until that point, they didn't really have, they didn't threaten much. And the other thing is, even when going for two, I'm like, I wasn't sure they were going to make it on the sneak. I'm like, oh, it's a 50-50 proposition. like that. Totally. And let's be real too. Was it the Browns game where he kind of did that move and rolled his ankle? He almost was a safety. He clearly rolls his ankle again. I mean,

he's kind of like a younger version back when Cam, what is his prime? It's hard to tell what percentage he is, but he's clearly not 100% run around out there. And I just think that, listen, I think it would be an incredible story. I'm a huge Josh Allen fan. It's hard to watch that team and go, they got three victories to the Super Bowl with that roster, the way they play, how dependent they are on him to be Superman, where he's probably 70, 80 percent. And the roster around them, if you can just sell out, if James Cook is not going to get, I would say, 120 plus yards, their receivers, I mean, they got their tight ends okay. And obviously they had an injury today, but their offensive lines, that's another issue.

Today, halfway through the game when the Eagles were really humming, they felt a little bit like, again, it was a Thursday night game, but the Texans have an elite pass rush. Remember that Thursday night game? I remember a buddy in the league text me. If you sack Josh seven, eight, nine times, that might as well be 25 because he's a hard guy to sack. And today they sacked him five times. Against a normal quarterback, that number is probably like eight or nine. And there were a couple times late in the game where he's making some great plays, getting out of it. I mean, the Eagles are all over this guy. I just think their offensive line, underrated part not playing that well.

I don't know if guys are banged up. They are just not as dialed, and he is under constant pressure against the better competition. Listen, you're not going to bet against them probably in the first round. We'll have to see who they end up playing, especially if they get the Steelers or the Ravens. But I just, I have a hard time seeing this team go on some run.

I think Denver would beat him. I think Jacksonville would beat him. Oh, yeah. I think, listen, everybody thinks, Houston already did kick their ass on a Thursday night game. Yeah. And by the way, I watched New England today. I mean, New England's had one bad half in three months at Buffalo.

They had a great first half in that game, controlled it. They had a terrible second half against Buffalo. But the previous three quarters against Buffalo, they were the better team. Yeah, I can see Buffalo being a one in Dunton. I've had them in the herd hierarchy around 8, 9, 10. I just, it's hard for me. I just, I think Josh Allen and their left tackle and James Cook, but I, again, I'll give them credit. I thought the hook and lateral was such a clever call.

It was so smart. But again, you had to kind of go to an exotic. You had to go to a trick play because you can't trust any receivers down the field. I felt honestly, at the end of that game, I felt that Buffalo was lucky to be going for the win. I didn't think they should have been in it. 100%. Totally. I mean, they had, I thought they got worked in the first half.

I mean, it was 13 to nothing, but the Eagles just don't score that many points. It felt like they were just overwhelming you with the talent gap. And your quarterback, you know, he was having for his standards, not as great as game as he sometimes has, and you have no chance. Your defense actually played pretty well in the second half. Yeah, yeah. But still, I mean, to score, well, they end up scored 12 points at home, I mean, it's just, it's tough. You know, man, and Colin, they had zero for the majority of the game. You know, this is part of the weather, and this is kind of, I was really young with those Martin Levy teams, but they were a tough physical team with a dominant running back that they leaned on. And then Jim Kelly could make big plays. Obviously, Josh, you know, is much more mobile, I think, than that version of Jim Kelly. But you got to, and this is the Packers problem, you know, historically sometimes those Rogers teams. Your weather should be in your advantage to play like the Eagles. We're just going to overwhelm you physically and lean on you and ugly.

up the game. Well, the bills don't want to play that way. The bills want to play in a dome like the Lions or something, right? They would love to just sling that thing around. And even Brady mentioned that the OC for the bills are like, we don't want to get into a place where we're just passing it nonstop. It will not go well for us. So he knows. But the problem is that you neutralize the run a little bit. And Josh's run because he's rolled up his ankle. He's not a huge threat in this game against them. Their team speed is excellent. All of a sudden, it's like, God, your offense looks putrid. Listen, I really...

They might play New England. They might play New England as of right now. Again, these teams might throw. In Foxborough. They're the seventh seat. You know, the Texans are the five. The charges are the six. And the bills are the seven.

So if they go to New England, even if they play in the Jags as the six three, it would not stun me at all if they're at one and done team, which is crazy to say because they have this quarterback in this prime. All right. Cleveland, their biggest win in a long time at home, beats the Steelers 13 to 6. So Pittsburgh will face Baltimore for the division title in Week 18. What a mess this is.

It was so classic Tomlin. Tomlin has their – I want to read this. This record is crazy. The Steelers are winless. Oh, 4 and 1 in the past five games against teams entering 8.1. games below 500. Longest streak in NFL history. So Mike's a motivator.

But it doesn't work when they face an awful team. Mike's always been a great underdog. But when Mike's a big favorite or a favorite against the crappy team, his motivational raw, raw stuff doesn't work. You just, it was one of those games. This is why Seattle got rid of D.K. McHaff. So D.K. doesn't play today because he's suspended for the altercation of the fan. And the reason, Darnold, by the way, in J.S.

now were a great, great combination, but they got rid of DK because DK could be, I was told, maintenance. He didn't run the specific route tree. He was a big play guy, but they felt there was some maintenance with DK. He didn't he lead the league in personal fouls for like a two-year stretch? And penalties for a receiver. So because he punches a guy, he's out and you saw today, there's a reason Aaron Rogers doesn't throw the ball down the field.

They have a really weak receiving core after D.K. Mentcalf. Just tight ends. Friarmoose, excellent. But, you know, you're watching them today and you're like, they're O and two in the red zone. I don't know why they were picking on Denzel Ward three straight times at the end of the game. It's probably the last corner on Cleveland I'd pick on. I didn't get that at all. But if you took D.K. Mentcalf out, you know, it's just, this is so Mike Tomlin. A week ago, we're celebrating this great victory. And then you watch the next week and you're like, as a favorite against the bad team. And you're like, They laid a complete egg. I mean, Colin, they scored six points in a game where if they win it, they win the division.

I mean, they scored six points. Oh, for two scoring. They got two turnovers. Didn't score on either one against the bad team. They're playing a three and 12 Cleveland Brown team with, you know, their star running back that they just drafted, broke his leg last week. He's gone. This is a team that couldn't really run the ball today. Shador was throwing them the ball through the multiple picks, tried to throw another one that I've,

I think, you know, one of the linebackers dropped. I thought today was pretty embarrassing. It was, as just a football consumer, it was a hard game to watch. It was ugly. And give Cleveland credit, first two drives. That's Kevin Stefanski. That's on script. Those first two drives for Shadour in Cleveland, they march right down the field.

Again, that's on script. That's where I think Stafansky is really good. These young quarterback, especially rookie quarterbacks, they really rely on those first couple of drives. Like, that's a big part. So, I mean, I just, I look at it. That was big, though, Colin. I mean, now, D.K.

It's not like they get him back next week. He's gone. And the big tight end, Darnel, Washington broke his arm. So I don't know how you play with a broken arm seven days later. I would imagine he's out. So you're relying on Scotty Miller, MvS, who I think we could argue how good he ever was, but definitely at this point in time, not great. You know, if you just kind of can neutralize those two running backs,

their offense was awful. Now, the Browns defense came to play today, these division games. But you can get after, you know, Aaron, they were hitting them a lot. He was getting rid of the ball. You know, the one thing, the Ravens got a little mojo now after that, you know, that Steelers went, or I mean, that Packer win, I think the Steelers are in major trouble. And we're going to go, at one point in time last week, I'm like, they're going to end up 11 and 6, pretty impressive year with how weird it went.

Now it feels like they're going to end up 9 and 8 and missing the playoffs. I don't know about you. I'm out on them this week. I'm out on them this week. I don't care if Snoop Huntley plays, Lamar plays, Derek Henry plays quarterback. What I witnessed today

and the injury they had, and I'm going to assume, TJ Watt, I mean, he's just, I can't assume he's coming back with this long issue. So he's been MIA.

They have other injuries in D.K. They are so dependent. No team that this includes Minnesota. This includes Jamar Chasing, is more dependent on one wide receiver than the Pittsburgh Steelers on D. K. McCaff did most people from the league probably wouldn't even consider a top 10 wide receiver. Yeah, well, all year I defended Aaron

Rogers. People, like, PFF was like he doesn't throw down field and I'm like, who does he throw to? I mean, he and D.K. early in the year, just, I mean, there's nobody to throw to. Like, D.K. was it. You can't just have that relationship over time because D.K. D.K. again, doesn't run the route tree. That's not what he does. He's a big play guy. So, like, like, and if you don't trust the offensive line, it's hard for a guy to get deep. So Aaron's 42. He didn't want to get hit early in the year. It's like, I'm not throwing the ball. deep down the field. We're going to do stuff underneath. And then they started, you know, then you trust the offensive line more. You play with a little momentum. But, I mean,

it's the final Aaron Rogers drive that didn't pan out. I mean, he went to Fryermouth two times. Like, that's his guy. Like, that's who you have to go to. He made some beautiful throws on that drive. Yes. Yes. It was nice until the end. You know, there's a group of people in the media out there that will just, just defend Mike Tomlin to the end. And last week, it was their classic moment in the sun. How can you fire this guy? But I think today is one of the reasons that Tomlin gets heat.

Is that it's the way seasons end perpetually. Like no playoff wins in eight years. It just feels like at the end of the year, there's more smart offensive coaches. You have these performances where I'm sitting there watching it. And I'm like, I mean, first of all, they made Aaron throw. row 39 times. That's not what you want to do with a 42-year-old quarterback on the road with Miles Garrett about to break the all-time record. So Shadour, by the way, was like 17 to 23. I mean,

listen, he was good in the first couple drives after that. I just think he's at a point right now where he needs to be on script. He's got to get out of that running backwards thing. Like, that was a Colorado issue. It's clearly one of those things. He needs an off-season to just get that out of his game. Well, they, before, because there's only the two games in the afternoon, there was a big gap. And they go to the, on the CBS crew, they went to Bill Cowher. And he's like, I'm a little perplexed why they didn't run the ball more.

Jalen Warren was having success. He only had 12 carries for 60 yards. You know, to force Aaron Rogers 42 with the group of guys he's throwing to, to have almost 40 past attempts, you know, in a crappy, it wasn't great weather, you know, just ugly up the game. It was low scoring anyway. It felt like they thought they were down 25 to 6 instead of, guys, you're just down one score here.

Cleveland's doing nothing on offense. Just what are you doing, especially with their identity. And who knows, maybe it's Aaron checking, do these calls at the line of scrimmage. But, you know, when you, they've been so dependent on these three tight ends, right? That's been their thing. Well, the Rams do it too, three times. The Rams also have Pooka Naku and Devonte Adams. So it's a little, even if only one of them is on the field, those guys can run every route and make dominant plays.

And they also, Kyron Williams, Blake Corum, especially in the second half, Blake Corum, they run the ball consistently. The Rams consistently run the ball. And I also think the reality is most people don't go out like John Elway on the dais getting a Super Bowl trophy. Most people go out, legendary players. Michael was on the Wizards. I wasn't alive, but I heard Willie Mays played for the Mets. You know, this situation isn't as ugly as like Michael Jordan on the Wizards, but if they lose next week, pretty embarrassing.

And I do think Aaron Rogers' career probably ends, even though, like, it's not like he's not an NFL player, but it's like he's going to come back for what in this situation? Because I think Pittsburgh is going to have to seriously answer, ask themselves the question, which they already kind of put out through Schefter a month ago, like, Tomlin's contract situation, we're not going to fire him, but hell, we'll be open.

John, if not now, then when, Colin. I mean, he can go to the Giants. It's not like he's going to be out of work, but this thing's run its course, hasn't it? Well, I mean, Cam Hayward's old. T.J. Watt, D.K. Metcalf is an older player. Aaron Rogers. Jalen Ramsey. They're old. Like, it's, I mean, to me, you start looking at the teams that I really like in this league, and they've got a great mix of young and experience.

Like, Philadelphia's got good veterans. They have great young players. Rams have great young players. I mean, you know, Detroit for all their struggles. Green Bay, great young players. Yeah, I, you know, it's, the 49ers did it last year when they hit eject. Like, they let everyone walk because they said we have to pivot. Yep. Even if we take a little bit step back for the next five years. And the Steelers, they're just kind of beholden to like every game, every year.

And it's like, you don't get credit anymore for going nine and eight. And okay, you have a much better record in some team that won five games. Who cares? It doesn't matter at this point. Yeah, they're not going to fire him. And so, you know, to me, I don't have any sympathy for people that keep doing the same shit and get the same results. I got no sympathy for Pittsburgh. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers.

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Season 2 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Indiana route of Alabama, there's a lot to talk about. Let's start with Indiana. It's, you know, I had two strong feelings going into today. I didn't have a strong feeling on Oregon, Texas Tech. I thought it would be ugly and low scoring, and it was for Texas Tech. I thought nine and a half to Miami was the side, and I thought Indiana was going to blow out Alabama. I've watched Alabama play.

This is probably the sixth time. I've yet to watch and play a complete game. Even the games in which I love their game plan, John, they can't run the football. and Ty Simpson to me, if you pressure him, I just thought Indiana was going to get a big relentless pass rush, and I was going to have, I think Mendoza's great. I think he's really good college quarterback. Are you shocked Indiana?

We're doing this now when they lead 24-0. It's not competitive. Are you shocked by the ease of it? Well, I'm not once you watch it, but going into it, you have these long breaks between, this isn't the NFL, right, where you play every week, so you kind of forget. And then I go, oh yeah, they were the team that just beat Ohio State and have as good of a defense. They hit Colin like they're the University of Miami.

Yeah. And the brand, let's face it, once you don't watch them for a couple weeks, it kind of seeps back in. And then you realize, no, this is the best coach team in the country. Right. And I'm sure we'll get into USC. They would die to have a coach this physical. I mean, one thing you watch Signetti, he runs an NFL operation. They bring an offensive lineman in the backfield.

They have a physical presence in their run game. They run. You know, Fernando Mendoza is an extremely talented player, but he excels because they have a great defense, a great running game, a physical, you know, just operation. And then he dominates within that. And to me, they're coordinators and their head coach's mentality. You might as well just take Indiana away

and throw a blue blood brand on it for those of us that have been watching college football forever. Because we're thrown off by Indiana, but they're as good as any team we've seen the last several years. They just have a different brand. Yeah. And I think if you watch their tackling, they're the best tackling team I've seen in college football. I mean, I keep thinking over the last 24 hours, Miami and Indiana are the two most physically capable teams in the country. I think Georgia's good, but I've seen Georgia struggle offensively for long stretches. Indiana runs the ball on everybody

in Indiana. They're receivers. I don't know how great they are. They make tough catches. I mean, They just, that team catches the ball. They tackle exceedingly well. They've run on everybody to some degree. And I, you know, I was sitting there. I was, I was talking to an NFL GM today about Kurt Signetti. And he knew him. And he said, you know, his dad is coaching.

He said what he basically is done. He's the opposite of Lane Kiffin, where, you know, he had, you know, a dad that coached. But he wasn't this like high flying, hot candidate. it, he just did everything. He's run recruiting. He's a CEO that's been in every department of the company until he gets the company. And he's so well-versed in recruiting and O-Line play and, like, I mean, just everything of, they're so buttoned up. I told a buddy today they remind me, you would remember this kind of, the Don James Huskies, when Washington was a national power. They had very good talent, not always the best, but very good talent, an NFL quarterback,

but they always won special teams. They were great tackling. They ran on everybody, and they'd hit on an occasional big plays. And it didn't matter who they were playing. It could be USC, but you always felt like you had the best coach. And when I watched Signetti's team, I'm like, it's like Sabin without the yelling, without the volume. Like he just sits on that sideline. He's almost a mad scientist.

He's always got a scowl. I'm just, I think Signetti's teams are so tight and so smart. John, when Alabama tried that fake punt early in the game, and they were going to punt, then they moved Ty Simpson up to the line, and Hoosier players were all like, and it was almost, they were so prepared for it. And then they didn't bite on like three fakes. And it's like, okay, a lot of college teams would bite on this. This team is coached almost professionally at Indiana.

To me, two things always stand out for physical football teams, because, you know, any team with good defensive linemen can look like a physical team. Do your defensive backs hit, theirs do, and can you run, and can you run the ball in any situation, they can. And obviously, their quarterback factors into the run game as well because he can take off at any moment. But they had the offensive linemen in the Big Ten of the year. You know, when you think, who has the best offensive linemen in the Big Ten? What do you think? Iowa, Michigan. You know, historically Pete's teams would have had a bunch of them back in the day, right? Oregon's had a ton of offensive linemen. No, it's the Indiana left tackle. And you know,

what's funny is I start texting around? I'm like, is this guy a blue chip, you know, high round pick? they're like, well, we don't know if he's going to come out, but he's probably going to be a guard. So it's not like he's doing this with a guy that's going to go. You know, this isn't Joe Alt playing left tackle. So there is, listen, I work for Pat Hill, who used to employ Kurt Signetti's brother Frank. And my cousin was on those teams in the mid-2000s. He's like, you know, what's funny is hearing Kurt talk, Frank was a lot. They have a little arrogance about it.

They've been around football their entire life. That's right. And like you said, this guy wasn't handed, like even when he got to work for, for Nick Saban. He had already kind of worked his way up. I saw Philip Rivers. Did you see the clip? He was Philip Rivers quarterback coach and offensive coordinator. And Phil's like, yeah, it was about 20 years ago. That was before Nick Saban. But then he took, you know, Nick Saban said, you know, I remember on game day earlier this year. He said, I used to present my coaches sometimes, you know, these jobs. Hey, Jimmy came to me. So-and-so jobs open and everyone in the room would laugh.

You know, like I-U-P-I. And the one guy that used to always rate, Kurt Signetti was always interested in like, I'm ready. I want. I want to be a head coach. And you and I talk a lot about this with the coordinators. The thing in the NFL, you know, Fangio, Flores about to get a con. These coordinators are now making $5, $6 million. Like you can be a coordinator for a long time and make millions of dollars. You know, in college historically, like sometimes if you weren't getting a call,

you might have to take a lower tier job and it could shoot you right up. And it took him a long time. Like when he said Google me, everyone laughed, rightfully so because it was funny. But when you did Google him, it's got a little K. and DeBoer, like, all he did was win at a lower level. That usually translates. So Mendoza is so interesting to me against the Blitz today at the time we're doing this. He was six for six. And the two things that jumped out about this game, coming into this game, every team with a buy was 0 and 6. And what you had noticed, and you saw this with Ohio State,

they weren't physically ready. They got pushed around for the first quarter because when you have, you know, two, three weeks off, you don't tackle a lot. Yeah. And you watch the first two series, Indiana, Alabama, Indiana was tackling. Indiana, you could tell Kurt Signetti, their time off, they hit. They did hitting. And that's what's really the difference is you just don't tackle much when you have time off. You're given 19, 20-year-old kids three, four weeks off.

They may, you know, they may be a little undisciplined, right? They're with their buddies, they're hanging out. They're not hitting as much in practice. So that's the first thing. The second thing with Mendoza, I know he doesn't, he reminds me a lot of Andrew Luck. Now, luck, I think, was a better scrambler. But Mendoza, and I'm watching this here live, Mendoza on two or three times today, decided I'm going to run. John, he's big.

He is a big. And when you're 6'5 and you run and you just lean forward, you see this with Josh Allen or Ben or Cam Newton. It's an extra three yards. These guys are big. Mendoza has a way of running. He doesn't blow you away, but he leans into it. And all of a sudden, you look up and you're like, he got seven yards running.

And the other thing that jumps out to me about him, he doesn't miss on the bubble screens, on the stuff out of the flat. Like, it's a little of the opposite of Kayla Williams, where you love the high side. You don't know about the layups. This kid gives me, he's like Herbert. He doesn't miss the layups.

All the stuff underneath the drag routes, the flats, all your bubble stuff, he's 100 for 100. He just hits on all of that stuff. I don't know. I know a lot of people say they have questions about him, but 68% career completion percentage. He's unbelievable against the Blitz. That's a little Drake May, by the way. Drake May is very good against the blitz, which usually year two in the NFL, you're not. I can't believe he would not be the number one pick. Yeah, I mean, I haven't talked to anyone with questions anymore. I mean, I think he's cemented as the number one guy. I, I think after today, again, I'm not trying to overreact to one game.

But I think most people are kind of universally rooting for Dante Moore to go back to school. Yes. So he doesn't have to go to the Jets. Because at the end of the day, when you're coming out as a quarterback, these guys are making millions of dollars in college. And you get a raise when you're a top pick. But ultimately, you're trying to play in the NFL for a decade plus and make hundreds of millions of dollars. And we now have a couple of recent examples, Trey Lance, Anthony Richardson. And Dante Moore is better than those guys.

but like their career's done ever making money. Like that rookie contract. So you see Fernando Mendoza, like, you know, this game against the Raiders and the Chiefs, I mean, the Chiefs right now have the ninth pick. They are incentivized to lose because depending on how it shakes out, they could be as high as eight. Well, it's not just drafting eight. Well, they only would have to give a second round pick maybe to move up three or four slots

to get the best defensive player on the board. Or they go back. Like, that's a prime position. I mean, the Chiefs have been drafted in 32. So Aidy Reid is incentivized to lose. this game against the Raiders. Now, potentially, if the Giants lose the Cowboys, I think the Raiders can still keep it win or lose the game. But like, that's a guy. And then obviously the character, how smart the kid is, I mean, he's just a high-level guy. When they told the

story about him getting all the guys in the Heisman, everyone who was going to attend their background information, do you know what that sounded like? A guy that if he didn't play football and had gone to Cal or Indiana would be running, taking over for Jamie Diamond in like 15, 20 years. And it would be one of those. He would be, he would crush it in life. He just happens to be 6-5 athletic, big arm, likes football. That same, same thing with Andrew Luck. Andrew Luck could easily just never played football, ran an architecture

firm. Not ran Stanford football, but ran Stanford the university. And that's what to me, and people like, he's kind of goofy. You know, who kind of likes goofy? Coaches. They don't want to have to worry about you. You know, the cousins thing, look, the knock on cousins wasn't that he was

like goofy and religious. It was he wasn't good enough. That was the people love the guy from the jump. He wasn't talented enough. That's not the case here. He's playing with NFL wide receivers, too. The Surat kid definitely is. I mean, Becker, the little white guy's making plays left and right.

That goes, okay, because Indiana looks like an NFL team. They like to run the ball. They have a couple wide receivers. They run NFL schemes with Signetti. It immediately translates. To me, the question is, like, if I'm him, hey, SpyTech, Tom Brady, can we clean up the organization a little bit before I just sign up to come here because I'm not signing up for everything that's going on there right now.

Yeah, I talked to an NFL head coach three weeks ago, and he told me that Mendoza is one of the easiest quarterbacks to profile going into a draft because Indiana runs so much NFL stuff. He goes, it's so easy. He goes, you can watch 25, 35 plays of Indiana, and you know what throws he can make and what he can and can't do. He goes, so he's going to be. I mean, he made every throw today that you would see on an NFL game Saturday or Sunday, don't you? And by the way, everybody loves Ty Simpson. I talked to a general manager two weeks ago. I said, I don't get it. I think he's just a guy. And the GM said, he is just a guy. Bamma's got great, great wide receivers. Kalan DeBore is an excellent offensive coach. He couldn't do anything today. And when you juxtapose

him with Mendoza, it's a different looking player. They're not close. I would say I would put Sane there, too. I mean, Mendoza looks physically different than Sane. He looks much more poised under pressure. other thing. He moves forward. You watch Ty Simpson and saying they kind of go backwards or sideways. Mendoza's looking to go forward. And that is a big deal for sacks. I mean, yesterday saying it was sack like five times for like almost 50 yards. You know, you can't take seven, eight yard sacks in college, let alone in the NFL. I think 95% of drives end on a punt when you take a sack. So when you see Mendoza, like there were plays where Bama was close to him. He moved away. He moved forward. Isn't he a good example, too, of we've seen this now with Burrow, you know, Baker years ago, guys to just stay in college, get better, work on their craft. And now with the transfer portal, you can really line yourself up. Kind of a unique situation. People go, why weren't all these other teams interested? His brother was on the team. So there was obviously a connection with the family, but he definitely made the right decision if other people were calling.

Ohio State gets thumped by Miami 2414. You know, it's interesting. So Ohio State scored 14 points against Texas, 10 against Indiana, and 14 against Miami. Now, some of it is they lost Judkins and Travion Henderson, two great running backs. You have to go back to Sony, Michelle, and Nick Chubb at Georgia, where you're out of college team with two big-time backs. I think their offensive line in a couple of spots is not very good. I think Julian Sane is a kid. I mean, he's a kid.

I mean, he needs two more years in college. And he's not hyper athletic. He's a sit in the pocket and throw guy. They have very good wide receivers. Everybody knows that. But I would say one of the things I like about this tournament, and I'm going to pat myself in the back, when the college football playoff came up,

I said this is going to be better for college football. do you want Bama, Georgia, Clemson in three of the next four national champions? In college football until the last two years, you kind of knew in October who the best two teams were. I mean, Ohio State lost to Michigan last year as a 20-point favorite, reeled off multiple wins, wins the Natty. You didn't know until the national championship was over. Oh, my God, Ohio State is the best team in the country. right now today, is it Miami? Is it Indiana?

Is it Georgia? We know what's not. Bama. That's the NFL, John. You don't know and I don't know who the best team in the NFL is until usually late third quarter Super Bowl. And you're like, okay, all right. That's why. Same with the World Series.

We didn't know until game seven final out. The Dodgers were better than the Blue Jays. And so, you know, I have no problem saying. I kept saying, folks, what do you? you holding on to? The sports broken. The ratings were down. The attendance was down. Well, now the attendant is up. The ratings are up. This is why it's great because college football never allowed you to grow. If you had an awful loss in October, like Miami loses to Louisville, it was over, John. Wreck your season. You're festival tops. And I'm watching Miami,

wreck Ohio State. And my takeaway today is Miami's going to face Indiana in the national championship, they, even more than Indiana, they almost intimidated Ohio State's offensive line. Well, let's use your NFL example. Take the Rams. If they played the Eagles in the first round, not crazy they lose. Also not crazy if I told you in three weeks, they're in the Super Bowl. And that is what the NFL brings to the table, which college football never did. To me, the thing that stood out, I mean, the difference in the game were the two tackles for Ohio State won't skates all night long. And that was the difference in the game. And Mario's a good example of, you know, a guy who's viewed a little bit like a meathead by the media and people

just around college football, but there is no disputing his understanding of talent and building a team. Like, obviously where we sit today, Dan Lannning and Lincoln Riley, I think they were hired the same cycle. It's not even close, right? But at the time they were hired, Dan Lannings' job at Oregon was, came equipped. Why? Because Mario was a, I mean, I think he's known as one of, if not the best recruiters in the

country. Yeah. And the team that he built, and he's a former lineman, on the trenches, they dominate. And I give him credit, like, Carson Beck was good last night. I think he was 50% on third down. He made some huge plays with his legs. Yep. You watch Sayan and Ty Simpson, they kind of look frazzled.

He's very under control, very poised. I don't know, been there before, right? With Georgia, his record against the top teams, Mario Cristobal built a team to make a run in the playoffs. Ohio State, in theory does, but when you have bad tackles, you got to play. some of these teams. Indiana, same thing. Where could they take advantage of them? Line of scrimmage. And it's harder now because you can't stack. I bet historically it was like Orlando Pace and the backup was Orlando Pace 2.0. Well, those days are done. It's harder to keep those guys.

And so if you get an injury, we saw last year, it's harder to piece mail it even for the elites. And there's like, I don't put that loss as much on Ryan Day. I was like bad play calling because there's nothing you can do when you find yourself in a situation where they have NFL high in pass rushers and your tackles are just completely, you can't call plays. Meanwhile, Mario, did you see the size of his two tackles? They both look like Trent Williams. They are massive. I had NFL scouting directors texting me.

Did you see the right tackle shoved that guy? I'm like, that guy has to weigh 350 pounds. And what did Mario talk about it after the game? He talked about it was saving this morning. The mass, the size, the toughness. And he kept using this term violence, violence. Mario's kind of like from the Harbaugh mold. And it's not as pretty.

And he's lost some weird games blowing it late. But in terms of the teams he built, like I would say even last year, they were excellent on offense. Their defense was terrible. Well, now their offense is getting better. And their defense is, it doesn't get any better. Like I would say Indiana and them feel like near the top. But Miami's got a few more juice with some high-end NFL guys. Now, Indiana's well coached and they're tough.

But there's a little like, yeah, Miami's well coached and tough too, but they got a guy that's going to go in the top six, rushing the faster. I had a pretty good source inside the Miami. I will just say I have a really good source inside of Miami. And their takeaway was going into the game, they felt they were going to bully Ohio State. And they also felt Indiana was the best coach team they've seen this year. So the Miami people, like they have respect for everybody, right? But they're like, they know how well Indiana's coached.

They thought Indiana was going to thump Alabama. And Miami felt that game was exactly what Miami thought they were going to do. They didn't think Ohio State was going to be able to move the ball. So Miami's got great confidence on what they do. That game turned out like Miami people thought it was going to turn out. When they gave the stat last night that Ohio State, hadn't been down 14 points in like three years. Most of their games playing Iowa's and the Rutgers, they don't play Oregon every year. They bully a lot of people. Listen, Chip Kelly left.

Brian Hartline got that job left in the last couple of games. Ryan Day has done the play calling, and they've scored 10 and 14 points. And physically shoved around and physically shoved around. In those two games, that's not a knock on Ryan Day. But when you don't call plays all year, and then you're given play calling as a head coach. It's just different. You're asked to do a different responsibility. And so the two games in which Ryan Day took over the play calling, all that talent, 24 points total.

By the way, the other thing I love about college football now that was never the case is you have to watch all the games. And I was kind of one of those guys that thought maybe Notre Dame should get in over Miami, even though Miami had beaten him. I was like on the fence on it. I think head-to-head matters. It can't be the only thing. And then I watched, I watched John Miami thump Pittsburgh 38 to 7 dominate time of possession.

And I sat there and I wanted to watch that game. And I thought, shit, warm weather team, Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh's decent. And then I started going and looking at the Notre Dame Miami head to heads. And I'm like, no, Miami is a better team. They beat him head to head when you look at similar opponents. But the truth was, you have to watch all the games. And so college football, you didn't have to watch them all.

If Alabama beat LSU and Georgia near, you know, it felt like before the playoff, you kind of had a sense of who was the best team. You kind of knew it was baked in unless they were knocked off, right? And even if they lost close late, you're like, well, Bama, LSU, Clemson, they're still the team. This new college football is a little like the NFL. You have to watch all the games. I mean, four weeks ago, we both.

the Rams were easily the most complete team in the league. I mean, they're only a touchdown favor over the awful Arizona Cardinals Sunday. Like, I don't even know if they're the first or second best team in their division. They could be the third best team in their division. Miami, week seven against Miami today, this Miami team would have beaten that Miami team by three touchdowns. You've got to watch the games now. I think two things can be true.

one, and Miami played Notre Dame and beat them. They played a game and they beat them. Alabama had to get in because as we sit right now and these conference championships still exist in the manner in which they do, you couldn't knock a team for going because next year teams would bow out if they were in a situation, right? But if you and I were sitting here ranking the teams,

because it turns out Oklahoma, the quarterback, I don't know what happened to him, but he fell off a cliff. They're not very good. I mean, their defense is good, but their offenses. I mean, pretty low level, right? If you were ranking Miami, Notre Dame and Alabama, Alabama would be third. Because you would say the one thing Notre Dame brings that is translating to this tournament, which I say all the time, I bet if we went and talked to Carson Palmer in Southern California,

you've got to be good on defense. Obviously, you've got to score points. High level high school, high level college, high level pro. If you aren't a physical team on the line of scrimmage, you're not, Alabama can't run the ball. I'm a Kalin-Dubour guy, but I can imagine Nick Saban looking going, guys. What is going on? We can't just this pass-happy offense.

It's just not going to work out in this conference. And when you play the other best teams in the country from whatever conference, they're going to have NFL guys on both lines of scrimmage. And you can't be a finesse team. Look at Oregon. I would say Oregon is really turned into a physical. I mean, that's the Dan Laning mindset that he's brought from Sabin and Kirby Smart. It's going to translate as they keep getting high-end players.

Yeah. God, this is a beat down. 38 to 3 now, Alabama. You know what's funny is my wife, I walked in as they were doing like the pregame warmups. I went on a coffee run. And she's like, it's really cool. You know, I've rooted for this little underdog. I'm like, well, historically they are, but they're a touchdown plus favorite in this game.

You know, you know, this is a team. I'm pretty sure they say, I don't think they'd ever been to the Rose Bowl, right? And I mean, shit, Bama now has been to two of the last three. a little different with the playoffs, but you just see this little brand. It doesn't happen very often in college sports. Because, you know, Oregon slowly moved up right in the late 90s in the early 2000s. Indiana went from like zero to 100 overnight to all of a sudden be, I mean, for the last two years, I mean, you could argue they're like one of the premier programs.

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