The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast Prime Cuts - Cowboys Impressive In Loss To Eagles, NFL Win Totals, Belichick’s Disastrous Start At UNC

Episode Date: September 6, 2025

Colin’s top takes of the week. He begins with the Dallas Cowboys far exceeding his expectations in their season opening loss to the Eagles (3:00), then Colin is joined by college football guru Josh Pate to break down the first weekend of the college football season. They discuss Arch Manning’s extremely shaky start for Texas against Ohio State and whether his lofty expectations entering the season were far too high (12:00), and debate whether Michigan’s Bryce Underwood is a generational talent at quarterback (15:45). They move to UNC and whether Bill Belichick’s inability to recruit good personnel could lead to an underwhelming tenure at Chapel Hill (19:15). Finally, he’s joined by John Middlekauff, host of “3 and Out” to break down the ramifications of the Micah Parsons trade (32:00) and review the win totals for several NFL teams (49:15) (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates!  #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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All right. In a pretty surprising outcome, Philadelphia beats Dallas 24 to 20. I would argue that if C.D. Lamb makes that catch, Dallas wins the football game. C.D. Lamb was C.D. lame. He had a really, really bad night. But I thought Philadelphia did a better job with second half adjustments. And that's the ballgame. I thought overall, I was pretty blown away. Now, Jalen Hertz comes into this game. He's got the better offensive line. He's got Sequin Barclay, and he has at least a head coach that he's very familiar with. They have a new OC. Kellan Moore's gone, and it was kind of an unimpressive kind of second half adjustment for the Eagles offensively. I thought they make great defensive adjustments to get pressure.

But there's a big advantage. Jalen Hertz, O-Line, Sequin Barclay, at home. And they looked unbelievable in the first half. Three drives, 200-plus yards, three T-Ds, Eagles were flawless. And everybody points to, well, what about Micah? Well, the Cowboys could not stop the Eagles twice last year with Micah. So, and I'll give you an example. I saw this.

Last year, today, the Cowboys versus the Eagles. Eagles without Micah, without Micah, one sack and five quarterback hits. The Cowboys last game with the Eagles with Micah, one sack and one quarterback hit. Micah wasn't the difference. Okay. So in the first half, I mean, Philadelphia did this twice to Dallas last year and they did it to Kansas City and the Super Bowl. That offensive line gets rolling, Sequin, Barclay, those receivers, they didn't even use A.J. Brown barely looked at him in the first half and were up and down the field, with or without Micah. At one point, Chris Collinsworth said, this is the Micah effect. Yeah, I mean, it's, Micah's really, really talented. But I didn't think that was the ballgame.

I think what blew me away with Dallas, especially in the first half, DAC got excellent protection. They don't have a great running back room. They're not going to be a great run team. But they opened some rush lanes. And yes, Jalen Carter's absence changes Philadelphia's interior defense. I mean, it's just no question. He is the dominant interior defensive lineman, along with Chris Jones and the NFL of the Chiefs. But I thought Dallas in the first half got Dak had time. The wide receivers got excellent separation. George Pickens looks like he's a real asset, although he had a really, really bad penalty.

It ended up the Cowboys fumble, the first turnover of the season, but it pushed Dallas back. and who knows how that drive transpires if they don't get pushback on the Pickens penalty. But George Pickens is going to be an asset, that length, his ability to keep the ball away, the way he stretches out from defensive backs, because Philadelphia's got a great secondary. But I thought Dallas's O line held up very well. Dack had a lot of time. I thought Dack played really, really well. They didn't move him much.

He sat in the pocket. At this point in his career, he's a pocket quarterback. But I thought he was very, very effective. and C.D. Lamb had three drops and the brutal drop, back-to-back drops on that last drive, and that deep ball was a beautiful throw by Dak. So I think if you're Philadelphia, you made excellent second half defensive adjustments to get pressure. And, you know, that ends up being crucial because Dak was way too comfortable in the first half. Meanwhile, he threw under duress in the second half. There were a lot of bang, bang plays in the secondary.

A couple of balls could have been picked, but C.D. Lamb dropped three balls. A couple of balls could have been caught. So I came away impressed with Dallas. Philadelphia won back-to-back, tush pushes. I think if you put Seekwon Barkley on the Cowboys and took away Seekwon Barkley for the Eagles, you'd have a different outcome. I thought Seekwan's ability to, you know, that one-handed catch on a crucial drive, His just ability to escape.

A lot of times, Sequin doesn't even get credit for picking up three yards on a play that should lose a yard. It's not as long runs that make him exceptional. It's the catches out of the backfield. It's taking, you know, these one-yard gains and making it a three-to-a-four-yard game. He is just a sensational talent. And he got, you know, Philadelphia out of little jams throughout the course of the game, wiggle here, drop his shoulder here, make a one-hand catch there. Sequin was voted the best player in the league by players in a recent poll.

He's just a sensational talent. And he does all the little things well. He can pick up a blitz, one-handed catch. But overall, I think if you're Dallas, you have to feel great. I mean, they've got one of the best kickers in the league. Their offensive line in the first half held up. I like the game plan. Dak looked comfortable.

Their receivers created separation. Again, they're the road. team. They're the team of the new coaching staff. George Pickens is a new player. Mike is not there. Trayvon Diggs didn't practice much. And Dallas had a very good performance. C.D. Lamb catches the ball. They win the game one for a variety of reasons is hard to make any sweeping a general comment about. A, Jalen Carter out changes Philadelphia's rush defense. Secondly, you're tired. In the second half, I thought Dallas is, I thought Dallas looked a little fatigue, their defensive front. You know, you got that O line leaning on you, longer drives by Philadelphia.

But overall, I mean, Dallas's D-line, you know, Mazi Smith was a, I wrote this down, inactive. So he's a bust. You know, Mike is no longer there. Kenny Clarkman in nice play. He's a nice addition. But, you know, considering Mike has gone and Mazzie Smith is a bust, they have a little bit of depth up front. That's encouraging for Dallas. You know, I'm looking at some of the numbers here.

Philadelphia's second half offensive game plan, kind of uninspiring. Again, it's week one. New coordinator. I don't quite know how to feel about it. Philadelphia was, I mean, Jalen Carter spitting, they had four very early penalties, four early penalties in the first half. Personal fouls. Philadelphia wasn't tight.

And it almost cost them. Yeah, I mean, in the end, Philadelphia had 158 yards rushing. You don't lose a lot of games in this league with 158 yards rushing. But Dallas, you know, Dallas has 24 first downs. Dallas averaged five and a half yards of play. You got to feel pretty good about that. Dallas had more total yards, more passing yards, themselves rushed for 119 yards, had more yards per play, more first downs, were very effective 7 for 11 on third down, had only four penalties. I mean, Mike McCarthy's teams were penalty plagued, only one turnover in the game.

Now, Philadelphia, again, more rushing yards total, and in the second half they pulled away in time of possession. and they were flawless in the first half offensively. But overall, I would give the Eagles a B plus because they won. I would give Dallas a solid B to B plus, new coaching staff on the road, first game. I mean, last year, I just didn't like Dallas's offensive line. I thought there was real growth. If you're a cowboy fan, I thought you had to be encouraged with the protection Dak Prescott got, especially in the first half.

And Dak hung in there in the second half. I mean, he was under duress in that second half after the adjustments. I know, I'm going on and on about Dallas. Maybe, you know, if I'd come into this game with a clean slate mentally and not feeling like Dallas is just going to be a mess, I'm going to have to revisit the Dallas schedule tomorrow on FS1. I was really impressed. You know, and it's not like C.D. Lamb didn't have a bunch of catches.

I mean, he had great separation all night, and those are excellent corners for the Eagles. So Philadelphia, sloppy, maintained a lead, at home won a game. I feel differently about the Cowboys now than I did four hours ago. Well, if you like college football, and I've been watching Josh Pate for a long time, but there are very few people that cut through like Josh, and there's no clicks involved. It's just knowledge and prep and

work. He is newly married. He's got a beautiful wife. He's got an incredible job, and it looks like he can bench Delaware. So his shit is rolling right now. He is. Josh, it is a pleasure to have you on. So I don't like criticizing college athletes, but I have said, we'll start with this, that once they started making $5 million a year, you're a professional. Whatever level you play at, you're a professional. And Archmanning can handle it. And I said, there are, and I feel this way about Belichick's opener. There are games in which you struggle. I've seen Patrick Mahomes just have bad halves, bad Super Bowls. But with Arch, it was, I mean, when he first rolled out to the right and skipped that thing, about eight yards shy, that was more than nerves. It was arm slot. It was mechanics.

And he'll bounce back in the next three games. It's, you know, it's, you know, really second-tier programs. But I don't think it's just a, hey, it was jitters. I, I, I, had some concerns. I can't unsee it. And I know that's punitive and harsh, but this is Manning. I joke before the game. Family dinners are events. I don't want to hear he was nervous. It was more than that. It was kind of jarring, was it not? Yeah. I especially think if you bought into, I don't know, like the superheroification of him over the spring and summer. You think about this. He has only just now become a college football starting quarterback. And you and I have talked about him over half a decade. So we've known about it six years. And I don't think we've ever

said that about anyone. So I go out there in the spring, watching practice, feel my way around the building. Sarks really just open about stuff, especially when you get them off the record, that's staff. And the feedback wasn't, oh, we're worried about it. The feedback was, we really hope that the world's realistic about what we're doing here, about what we're going to put on the field. Because they never expected it to be like, you know, the preview. magazine culture expected it to be. So it wasn't a shock to me that they tried to ease him in.

I think the jarring part for me, I was up there. I was standing on the field is you didn't even have to watch secondary line of scrimmage. If you just put your eyes on him, you can tell the moment the ball came out of his hand. That's not a good ball. And that's not going anywhere fast. So I think that part, you get rattled.

And at that point, you're playing good defense. So you feel like you can just win a rock fight. And we'll tuck it back in. We'll go back home. We'll play a tomato can. and we'll get ready for our trip to Florida, I think is their next really big game. So it wasn't as jarring to me because I never did the Heisman thing with him. I never did the Archmanning number one picking the draft this upcoming year.

My whole stance on him was, and it still is, he's going to be a pretty good quarterback this year. And anything above and beyond that, great. But it's Texas. You don't have to carry them. For that matter, Nussmire doesn't have to carry LSU. Clubnick doesn't have to carry Clemson. A lot of these guys have really good supporting cast. He has got race horses around him.

whether there's speed at wide receivers quite what it's been. But the whole concept of Texas is we're going to load the roster up, just make good decisions, be big in the leverage moments. He was not that in week one. But, you know, you've got a much bigger safety net under you now because of the structure of the playoff. Yeah, and I'll get to a kid. You know, I think first glances matter. And I follow high school recruiting, not as much as I used to just because I have more things on my plate.

But I'll just say, I don't know how good Michigan is. I love Oklahoma this weekend. I think if you look at Oklahoma's depth chart, that defense is juniors and seniors. That is an old team. They're at home. They got a lot of 22-year-old guys, and Mateer is a very talented quarterback.

I think Oklahoma's going to have a day. But my first glances at Bryce Underwood on YouTube in high school and last week, Josh, that's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, that is magic. And I know he's going on the road now. You need about four snaps. I really think Underwood, a lot of these five-star guys, I never bought into Quinny Uers. I mean, you know, out in Southern California, I've heard a lot of five-star recruits,

and I'm like, I don't buy it. I always say L.A. recruits, five's a four, fours of three. They get overhyped. But I like Oklahoma this weekend, but what were your interpretations of Bryce Underwood? Better than I thought he'd be, and I had really high expectations for him. I do not throw around the G-word, okay, generational. You should use that about once a generation. I believe that's the definition. He, even the guys I trust in the scouting world, the ones that assignate the star ratings, even when I listen to them coming up, you know, the ones who are

really careful with their language, they said, that one's just different. Go watch him. And I don't think he came to Elite 11, so I went out there. I didn't get to see him in person, but eventually you get to see his high school stuff. Okay, it's high school. He goes to Michigan. I know it was New Mexico. 99% of the country didn't watch the game. I don't care if it was air. there is a way that superstars look. It does not take mountains and mountains, games and games of film. You just look at it and you say, whoa. Now, that's not like you said.

It's not a guarantee that he's going to go light the world on fire this week. In fact, it could overinflate him to where he tries to do too much on the road against a Brent Venables defense, which has made like the twos of the world look inferior in your spec. So I'm with you on the Oklahoma sort of dynamic this weekend, but long term, Here's the way I viewed Michigan this whole year. They are not good at receiver. So they do not have the pass catchers to probably have him fully feature himself. But what is going to happen is everyone is going to see what you and I are talking about eventually,

because it'll play out on the big stage. And they are going to be, I think, a portal magnet for wide receivers after the year. And I'm viewing Michigan 2025 through a 2026 prism because I think 2026, they're right in the national championship conversation. Yeah, I don't know that far ahead, and they're not good at receiver. By the way, if you go look at Jim Harbonne recruiting through the years, he's never had good receivers. He didn't have him with Andrew Luck. Got in San Francisco.

He had Michael Crabtree, and that was about it. Michigan, I mean, they were a run, defense, squash, you know, eat the clock up. But the ball comes out of Bryce Underwood's hand, fast. Very different. I mean, it just doesn't look like other kids. All right. So much like the archmanning topic, my question with Belichick, and a friend of mine, Ryan Rosillo and I got on this years ago, about seven years before Belichick got bounced in

New England, Rosillo and I used to know his joke were like, he can't draft. He's sitting there with his dog in Nantucket on his iPad, and I'm like, he can't draft. And I, people, and so what happens in the NFL, and it's. It was Pete Carroll's undoing a little bit in Seattle, where there are coaches, Jimmy Johnson, Sean Payton, who are really, really, Sean McVeigh, really good with personnel. They really have an eye for it. Then there's guys like Kyle Shanahan, who I think are great play designers and play callers. I don't love their personnel view.

And then there's Belichick who's sort of tone deaf to offensive personnel. I don't think he's tone deaf to schemes because he's the best defensive coach of my life. But his last seven years in New England, I mean, they got a punter who was an all-pro. That was it. They couldn't draft anything. Interior O-line, sideline, quarterback. So my question was, why should I trust him in the transfer portal? I didn't like him drafting college kids.

And when I watch Carolina, one of the first things after the first series that jumped out to me is TCU either had much better coaches or much better players because there were a lot of guys running free in the second half. I mean, pulling away from safeties and pulling away from linebackers. I just didn't see the talent. Now, again, the transfer portal, you're getting used cars a little bit. You know, if Georgia wants to keep a guy, they're going to keep a guy. I thought it was, again, is it possible that Bill's not the... Listen, Sabin was a brilliant personnel guy. I don't think Belichick is.

Am I wrong? No. I mean, I actually wish I did disagree with you. completely agree with you. I looked at the dynamic. Look, I mean, take a step back for a second. So I didn't even understand the circus around it, period. I got when Dion came to Colorado, that is a massive circus coming to town, not even in a pejorative way. I got that. A lot of people in my world made this huge deal about Belichick coming to North Carolina, and I, maybe I just don't pay attention enough to, like, mainstream sports talk. So I didn't get it. But that's just me. That's my

personal preference. So then I start hearing these rumblings like, boy, they got a workable schedule this year. And I started to pick up what people were putting down. Plus, the connotation there was, ooh, they could do something this year. And I was, I know the personnel they have. It's terrible. And so I was looking at it saying, what are you saying about the schedule? Like, come out and say it. No one wanted to say it. So I finally got some people to admit, yeah, I think it's Belichick. It's a workable schedule. He could, yeah, I got the cattle prod theory. They, he, he, he could cattle prod college football this year. I was like, if that's your expectation for him,

you're in for a very rude awakening, and so is the rest of America. Like, I didn't get it initially. I thought people understood he's coming in there, and it's a big show, and it's going to raise the profile of Carolina football, but the expectations largely to do what Carolina's done. I was so tone-deaf on it.

When I realized people's expectations were he's actually going to elevate them to the level of maybe a fringe playoff contender, I was so out so quickly on it for 50 different reasons. But one of them is the one you talked about. I never talk about NFL. College football is my space. But I didn't think he did a great job at all of the personnel side of things.

The last several years, he was in the NFL or he'd probably still be in the NFL. And then the next part of that is, all right, if you're telling me that you want him to be more than a seven or eight win per year on average guy, which is Carolina football historically, well, that means he's got to do better in talent acquisition. And that also means you've got to beat Clemson for kids. You've got to occasionally beat Miami or Florida State for kids. He's just not going to do that. I don't know if you've gotten in the weeds a little bit and read some of the stuff that I've been hearing for months has now sort of started to go public about the impressions that recruits or portal kids have had, the experiences they've had.

They don't know how to do it, man. And it's no knock on them. They've never had to do it. Think about it this way. Like if you're watching right now and you're mainly, NFL and like you just dip your toe into college. Nick Saban, I think's the best to ever do it. He got to his early 70s after a lifetime in college football, a lifetime of mastering talent acquisition. And he said, this isn't really for me anymore. Belichick at the same age is trying

it for the first time. He's older than any three of his players combined. And he's trying that for the first time. I never even gave a passing thought to, oh, this will work. Of course it won't work. I was stunned and still am that people think it will work. Yeah, you know, and what's interesting about, you know, in pro football, you draft the player. But in college football, the player selects you. So if you're around Nick Saban, he's funny. I've been around him a couple of days. He's funny.

Mario Cristobal, Dan Lannning, they're dynamic men. Brian Kelly. They've got the personalities you have to sell. Yes. They're salesmen. And by the way, it's not all they do. bills better schematically than a lot of guys. But there are almost, I mean, you'd have to go back to Don James at Washington in the, you know,

70s and 80s where a guy was fairly personalityless and was a really good recruiter. And I always thought James was doing it with coaching and staff composition. Their personnel was good. I don't think it was as good. It's never been. It was even in Don's best heyday, they had a couple, the Steve Edmund defenses were stacked. But basically they did it. They were just the smartest staff.

he had just, you know, they always had the best special teams, kind of like Frank Beamer. They'd beat you on special teams and defense. You never thought it was the most creative offense, but you get them in Blacksburg, get them in Husky Stadium, they win a lot of games.

But by and large, Belichick is kind of grumpy. Mike Lombardi, a smart guy, he's got that sort of jersey gruffness. It reminds me a little of Charlie Weiss. Remember when he thought he had this schematic advantage? And after a while, you're like, Charlie,

you're O-Line, you're D-Linman, and Notre Dame should be O-Linman. You're not pulling, you're not pulling the players. And I think it's got a Charlie Weissfield. I am telling you one of the lines point blank that a head coach gave me top 15, like playoff caliber program, he said, you know how big a slap in the face it is? To listen to the media, tell us a guy who has never coached college of day in his life in the last several decades, is going to come teach us something.

Like Bill Belichette is going to come teach college football or something. And he said, college football will teach him 10 times more than he's about to teach college football. Because the other thing about it is the insinuation is guys are either schematics guys, X's and O's guys, or their talent acquirers. Sometimes that's true. Sometimes it's an A or a B. When you get to the higher portion of the college football pyramid, I know this shot some people calling. Some have both. Georgia's got both.

Like Clemson's got both. they can get the talent better than you, they can also out-coach you. So unless you're going to go and really convince me that you're going to out-recruit in which you're not, or you're going to out-develop them and scheme them, not once or twice in your career, you may do that, but you've got to do it about 10 or 11 times in a year to be able to get to the playoff, then I'm out on them achieving anything more than Carolina football historically has. Well, I'm fired up to announce Hard Rock Bet as the volumes new presenting sponsor.

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As you know and our fans know, everybody has different windows. When I started the volume, we didn't have, we couldn't take huge swings. We didn't have the revenue. We didn't even have a sales department. Now we do. There are different windows for companies, for teams, for franchises, for people in their life. In your 20s, some guys don't want to get married. They want to be all career.

By your 30s, you're thinking about kids and getting married. all have different windows and timelines. So Dallas, the last two free agency periods, John, had no flexibility. And my take is in the NFL. That's one of the reasons the chiefs let Tyreek Hill go and why Howie Roseman is constantly letting good players go, keeping the great ones, but he's always making deals because Howie wants flexibility. Well, the last two years, the Cowboys have had none of it, what would they have had if they signed Micah to 47 million? Now, they offered him 40, but like this team could not pay Derek Henry 8 million, and they had unquestionably the worst running back room in the league.

So my take is they liked Micah. They offered him 40, but to get two firsts, that's now four firsts in the next two years. And by the way, after watching Nussmeyer, and a Sam Levitt, the quarterback at Arizona State, if they end up being one of the six to seven worst teams, they may be able to get a quarterback with their first pick and the next Michael with their next pick in the first round. I mean, this is a draft where if you're drafting in the top eight, you don't have to move up to get potentially a really good quarterback. So in Green Bay, in an incredibly deep, well-coached offensive division with Kevin O'Connor. McConnell, Matt LaFleur, Ben Johnson. Green Bay needs a playmaker on the edge to get offenses off the field.

And they, you know, in our lifetime, take out Reggie White. They just don't have, Kenny Clark's a good interior defender against the run. Cowboys can't stop the run. Kenny Clark comes in. Green Bay needs a playmaker on the edge to get offenses off the field and get it back to Matt LaFleur and Jordan Love. So I thought it worked for both teams. Dallas's defense was bad with Micah.

It'll be atrocious without him. But my take is the time to move a superstar is in a rebuild year. And isn't it clearly a rebuild year? Well, can we just lay one thing on the table? Because most of the reaction has been pretty universal. How could you trade Micah Parsons? There are untradable players in the history of this league. You know, Walter Payton, Reggie White, Dionne Sanders, guys in their prime, they're just unstoppable.

That is not. You can run at Micah Parsons. He is not Reggie White. He's not even the best player at his position in the league. No, by the way, you could argue, initially, John, they put him in a stack linebacker inside, and that people didn't think he had good eyes. They didn't think he anticipated well. So they pretty much let him be a pass rusher.

Well, he's not as big as Hutch as, he's not as big as Miles Dier. I would argue he's a bit undersized, but they let him kind of play that, see the ball, attack the ball position, and it works. But he's a tradable player. 100%. He's a great athlete. he's an instinctive pass rusher, but, you know, if there are 70 plays in the game, they're not all 70 pass attempts on 3rd and 10.

So we've seen in the playoffs, people run at him. That being said, I think the issue that I have with this situation is anytime you trade a player of this magnitude like they did with Khalil Mack too right before the, you're getting future first round picks. You have no clue where they're going to be. They could be excellent. We saw it with Russell Wilson. They ended up in Matt Stafford trade.

They go really high because a team has an injury. but they also could be back-to-back picks in the mid-20s. When you trade a guy before the draft, one, you have more people coming to the table to be interested in the trade because there's more teams with Cap Room, and you can know exactly at least that given year where that pick lands, so you can value it. I do feel it was, do you think there was any influence on Jerry with this documentary coming out? Because you watch that documentary, you go, God, Jerry and his hate it. That guy was a sharp. The guy was a maverick.

That guy was willing. And Jerry's kind of been a lot of people, rightfully so, have been like, yeah, Jerry's kind of scared to do deals. Because a lot of people, I bet my 401K, my aggression, looks a lot different than yours. Right. I mean, it looks a lot different than a guy that's 75 years old. Like Jerry is just at a point in time in his life. But I wonder if he's like, oh, you think I won't do this?

And obviously, once Micah, you can't convince me when Micah showed up eating nachos and then laid on the training table, you know, Jerry's old, stubborn. and the deal wasn't going that well in terms of the negotiation. It was kind of like a double FU. So he's just like, okay, we're willing to train him. And then they did. Micah's agent is also an agent that has gotten his clients good money. And I think he's the Sean Watson's agent, if I recall.

So he signed a couple of deals where the teams look back a year later and don't like the deal. Now, I do think Micah off the edge is exactly what Green Bay needs. Again, Ben Johnson, Kevin O'Connell. you know, Dan Campbell and that old line. These offenses can keep your offense off the field. So, like, I like what Green Bay did. And the other thing about Green Bay is that they've always been able to build good football teams. I mean, for years, they only drafted defense in the first round, and yet they had great old

lines and excellent tight ends. And Green Bay drafts and develops very well, second round, third round, fourth round. You know, there are teams in this league. And when Bill Polly and ran the Colts, they nailed their first two picks every time. Middle rounds, me. But Green Bay has shown a history to pick up starters in the fourth and fifth and sixth round in a much higher percentage than the rest of the league over the last 30 years. So I think what they're telling you, Green Bay likes this roster.

And they think they got about a two to three year window to make hay. So they're rarely aggressive. I tip of the cap to Green Bay going for it. I think a lot of people, if you're a Packer fan, was like, where was this move mid-Aaron Rogers? Right? Because that was our window, and that was a big reason that a lot of people are critical of Ted Thompson's like, God,

he's just kind of a wuss, kind of conservative. When's he going to take a big swing? And now they finally do it with Jordan Love. We'll see if it works out. I like the Packers before this move. I text a lot of people in the league, asking him their thoughts. One universal take was he's not like a troublemaker or anything, but Michael Parsons isn't Albert Breer reported about it.

this. When CD, when Zach Martin, when Dak went through this, the locker room loves the guy. That was not the reaction internally, according to this. And I had a GM who's very successful text to me like, listen, Green Bay, their organizational culture has been a lead for 30 years. It's been very consistent. It's just an easy place to operate. They're bringing in Micah, who comes from a culture where it's just all over the math in Dallas. Yep. I was told the same thing. Into Micah Parsons, bringing him in there. He is now making one. way more money than everybody.

They have an unproven, you know, still quarterback who, you know, your quarterback's always kind of the leader of the team. He's like, it is just, there is some risk involved when you factor in the finances, when you factor in this big personality. He now is the face of the team. It's just, it's a pretty big, it would have been, his point was like, it would have been easier if, if you had Aaron, even if this guy at the time, whatever the economics were, was making more than Aaron, but Aaron's the face of the team.

Mike is now immediately the face of the team. See what you want about the Cowboys before this trade. Like, still, Dak was when you turn on Sunday night football is Dak's face. Like, it's not even a question, Micah Parsons. So it's just, we'll see. Now, they feel pretty good about their infrastructure. Xavier McKinney, there are some questions fit right in. There's a big difference, though, in the amount of money Xavier McKinney's making in this guy.

Who knows he's untouchable? Yeah, I mean, Micah's a personality. You see it in the podcast. I think he's not going to get in trouble in Green Bay. Not like he got in a lot of trouble in Dallas. But, you know, Micah, Micah is a personality. And I think when you have a weak coaching staff or a weak head coach, which Schottenheimer is, I think my take was if this team started one in five and you signed Micah to a big deal,

like Dallas is going to be atrocious. I really do. I think, I think. Why are people acting like they just traded Lawrence Taylor? Because it's not what they just did. Well, they weren't any good. Well, here's the other thing. if you were paying DAC 44 instead of what you're paying him, then you could have,

then you guys could have met at $45 million. All the problems here start, and we know this, John. It's hard to win when you pay Josh Allen top of the market salary. It's hard. You're not going to have that second slot receiver or that third really dependable, you know, interior lineback. You lose people. I mean, you've seen this over the last couple years that Buffalo is.

was moved off multiple veteran players in the second year. They had their team last year. Yeah. Well, and that's, and they're still winning with Josh Allen. And Josh Allen took a reasonably team friendly deal. Dak is a B quarterback making A plus money. So you are, and he's, he needs an entourage. He is not Josh Allen Lamar.

So this, the problem's all stem from. You massively overpaid a B quarterback. And so, I mean, people, and this is the case, the younger the media people, the more they report, pay the player. They're always pro player. I have learned something over my life that, like, the Rams could not trade Jaredverse. Like, this kid was defensive rookie of the year. Like, everybody's got a guy.

Even take out the quarterback. There's a guy, like Sequin Barclay to Philadelphia. They could win if he left. but boys, with Jalen Hertz in the pocket sometimes, a little tenuous if you trust him, they're just guys you can't move. I will defend the CD-Lam contract. I think he's a top five or six receiver.

He's a playmaker. I just, I wasn't comfortable making Micah the highest paid defense event. I've seen him in a couple of playoff games. He has been invisible in those games against better offensive linemen. Because they run right at him. And that's not his thing. So how do I pay a guy? Now, I get what the Packers need.

I think it's easy for Jerry to go, well, I'm going to give a guy 40-7. I'm going to match this contract for a guy who's a liability in the run game. And the Packers need that, and Roshan Gary is a much more complete player. I also defend the Cowboys, the timing I don't. I mean, I would have traded him before the draft, but clearly they weren't planning on doing it then, right? He thought he could get a deal done at $40 million. But when you trade him now, they go, how did they only get that? Well, as someone told me in the league a couple years ago, they said,

this isn't the NBA, but players now have more juice than they ever had. 20 years ago, a team would have been like, hey, even if the contract's not done, we will trade for this player if you're over them and we'll figure it out. We have his control. Teams are not doing that anymore. So if I'm going to trade multiple ones, there has to be signed at the bottom line. Well, so Micah Parsons kind of controlled, had a big, you know, part in Mogeta in where he went. Because you go, well, you could have got more from Team X, the Lions, the Raiders,

whoever, that they would have given two ones, two twos, and a player. Well, if they were offering $20 million less than the Packer salary, he goes, I'm not signing that contract when this contract's on the table. So let's just say there was another team willing to pay an extra high draft pick. But the money, they go, we're not paying them $47 million a year and $140 guaranteed. We'll give them $120 guaranteed. Well, he's like, I'm not signing that. Well, then they're not going to trade them there, right?

Because that team's like, well, the trade doesn't, it's not on the table then. So Parsons, you know, there was an NBA element of he got to dictate a little bit where he went because you were going to sign the contract the moment you traded him. Khalil Mack several years ago, the Bears, they signed when the trade is done. So the contract is a huge part of the negotiation. So when I see all these people, how did the Cowboys only get this? Because Parsons dictated the terms by the contract. And clearly, I would imagine some of the teams very interested were nowhere near in the ballpark

of what the Packers gave him. And this is what makes the NFL so unique. This team without an owner in the middle of nowhere can pay a guy a historic amount of money. It's like the opposite of baseball, which is cool and it's part of the NFL, but pretty risky deal. I mean, this is, I give Goudicans a lot of credit,

but he's kind of laying it all out there on the table on this one. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news? We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it.

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From navigating friendships and healing to setting boundaries and prioritizing your mental health. These are real, honest conversations. We don't always get to have out loud. Totally unreasonable with different parts of life, right? Like, oh, have all three meals and make sure you're mindful during all of them? Absolutely not. During one meal, I'm standing. That's not realistic.

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Now, I'm going to throw a couple games at you. And just a couple games that I looked at and they kind of jumped out to me. So you know my feeling on Seattle. I like Sam Darnold, but I also think this is a really good coach. And so one of the lines that confuses me a little bit is that Seattle at home is getting two and a half points. Give me your take on the Niners' health. I mean, they have real issues at wide receiver. So if they're going to beat Seattle, it's going to be some running game.

You're not throwing the ball downfield a ton on Seattle. And I think Seattle's pass rush is going to be pretty good. I'm surprised. It's my favorite pick of the week is Seattle at home plus points. First of all, it's a division rivalry. So these games are always close. So I love taking even average Pittsburgh teams historically can cover against much better Baltimore rosters. Division games, I generally take the points.

But Seattle, I think top to bottom, has more athletes in their prime. Hufunga gone, Greenlawn gone, Trent Williams, Christian McCaffrey, not in their prime. I think Seattle has more athletes in their prime. Are you surprised by that line? I think the market believes that Seattle's not going to be that great because they're five to one to win the division. And the 49ers are like plus 150. So based on the divisional odds, they are a heavy long shot. If you look at every division, they by far are the only team that has been good the last several years,

nine wins, ten wins, and it feels like Vegas gives them no chance to win. And this is a good example. Juan Jennings, this was at practice today, so they've rekindled. So you got Joanne Jennings back with Pearsall, Kittle. you know, McCaffrey, like they actually are offensively, in theory, healthy, Trent Williams, Purdy coming into this game. Yeah, I just think the market is pretty low on Seattle. You and I are high on them.

My problem is whenever I bet on the Niners aggressively, Super Bowls, they've bit me in the ass. And whenever I bet against them, they always come through and win. So I just, I kind of stay away from the Niners. But to me, there is not a better long shot on the board to win their division than five to one Seattle. They won 10 games last year. They had the same amount of wins as the team that we treat the Rams like they're a 13, 14, 14 win team. They've won 10 games last year. I think they won 10 games the year before. And we just, we hold them to high esteem, rightfully so, because

they have a really good coach. Quarterbacks back in major trouble. The 49ers at any moment, half their team can be on injured reserve. I do not trust Kyler. It is by far of the value. There's not a better on the board. And I'm with you. Seattle can get weird. I do think divisional games, week one, can be hard to bet. Like, I do think the 49ers are going to be pretty solid this year. I think they got, for the first time in years, kind of a chip on their shoulder, kind of get to fly under the radar a little bit. Sam Darnels, you know, this is a first start with a new team.

Offense a little different than what, you know, Kevin O'Connell likes to pass a lot, which is Sam Blake. I mean, was they had Justin. Kubiak, like his dad, like Kyle, he's going to call a lot of runs. If they can run the ball, they're going to be really good, play defense. But we'll have to see. I mean, their run game, Kenneth Walker, be healthy, Charbonnet, we like. Well, the Niners brought in Robert Sala, and the reason being is they don't have the same personnel.

I mean, if Bosa's dinged up, it's Fred Warner and cross your fingers. It is really, I mean, I think we look at the Niners and we just, sometimes you fall into this, you romance, because for about four years, they just had incredible defensive personnel. they don't on the back end right now. Yeah, I mean, I think they're going to need kind of like the Rams. Two years ago, you didn't know who half their roster was, and then a couple years later, they are just solidified players on defense. Not counting verse, you know, who they drafted high, but a lot of mid-round, late-round picks, they're going to need that to happen.

And that's what the 49ers did originally, right? Kittle fifth-round pick, Greenlaw, fifth-round pick, purty-seven. They've hit on a lot of late-round picks. That's how you get good in the NFL. The Ravens let a lot of guys hit free eight. agency. Why? Because they crush the third through the seventh rounds. Because that's where you make your hay in the end. Obviously, you've got

to hit on first round picks, but when you get good in the NFL, it's hard to pick in the 20s. That's the one thing a lot of people are saying about the Micah Trade. It's like, well, the Packers are just good back-to-back years. That's picked 25 and 28. It's hard to hit on those picks. Ask Jerry when they started winning games with McCarthy. They're drafting

Tyler Guyton and Tyler Smith. It's a lot harder to, it's much easier to draft in the top five when Jamar Chase or Penae Sewell or Jaden Angels are staring at you. So I like Seattle this year. This game to me is just, I don't know, you convinced me. Niners win, Seattle wins, Seattle kicks their ass.

The Niners are into it. That's why week one, like I like a lot of like the Titans, you know, the Panthers. I like teams like that week one that everyone just thinks are going to suck. Some of the times these divisional games, like Giants commanders, like I'm, that's a stay away for me. Yeah. If you tell me the Giants win, I could see it. Cowboys are the one that's like I have a hard time seeing them win. Yeah, teams convince themselves, even if they're Tennessee, they convince themselves

they're a playoff team. By week four or five, you start losing guys and everybody in the room knows. But, yeah, Tennessee getting over a touchdown, the hook, I'd stay away from that one. The other game that's fascinating to me is it does matter you're allowed in Green Bay or Jacksonville or maybe a Seattle to have really ugly losses. You're not going to get crushed. Philadelphia, San Francisco, Chicago, it's loud. So Chicago is an underdog at home, getting a point in a half against Minnesota. And Minnesota is a mystery team. I don't know what J.J. McCarthy is. I really do not know. I've heard enough from people I trust. I got text by somebody I really trust a few weeks ago. He said, it's a work in progress. But if Chicago

loses at home, it'll be a huge, huge night in Chicago, that shit could unravel. fast, really fast. If you had to make a prediction, what do you think the Bears and Caleb look like? Forget winning and losing. I mean, they're the underdog at home, which I kind of like that position. But what do you think it'll look like? I think it's going to be really hard. I mean, Caleb is much more talented of a thrower, but I think there could be some parallels to the situation that we saw with Arch and Texas trying to play offense against Patricia. I mean, Flores is one of, if not the best defensive coordinator in the league right now. Their personnel is actually improved from last year.

I like Minnesota in this game. But like you, I don't expect hard to say JJ's going to come out and throw three or four touchdowns. We'll see Chicago's defense a little overrated. Are they quite as good as we thought they were going to be like a year ago? I don't know. But I could see them, like I expect this to be a lower scoring like 17 to 14 type game. And if in that situation, I'm just going to take Flores in Minnesota and Kevin O'Connell.

I mean, he's just, listen, first game at home, gets a little weird if you have a couple of three and outs. Like, in a moment like this, you're going to need some positive early momentum. Because if the crowd gets a little weird, if you have a couple, that first try, I get it was a preseason game against the bills, twos and threes. But he drove him right down, and all of Chicago took a just took a sigh of relief. Right. Like, oh, my God, he might be okay. Because in the Ben Johnson thing, they played the Chiefs. I watched when I was flying to Hawaii that last preseason game,

they got their ass kicked early on. And Ben Johnson came out and said after the game, like, that's just unacceptable. Like that's just at this point in time, too sloppy. Well, who are the Chiefs? A big time team that took that game seriously. Remember I told you when we were together like two and a half weeks ago, that second preseason game, Andy, because they got their ass kicked by Seattle,

the Bills, when they got their ass kicked by the Bears, that's the point in time in camp where he's been driving him, driving him. The legs are heavy. But that last preseason game is more of a ramp up, especially with Kansas City. Starters play a little bit. You take it pretty seriously. You're coming into that game with some mf. Well, the Bears try to do that too, and it did not go well.

Now, in fairness, Kansas City is like a dynasty. But Minnesota's pretty good. They won 14 games last year. Well, Minnesota's got the better roster. Yes. Yeah. I mean, it would be, like to me, Minnesota wins, yeah, Minnesota's good, right?

I don't think it's like, it'd be big if JJ plays like an elite level game. But even if he's just kind of average on the road, just win, get out of there, it's not like we're not setting it in stone the headline of their season. Whatever happens with the Bears, right? You lose, it gets weird, that's a major story. They win, he plays well, beats Brian Flores. That's a huge kind of monkey off everyone's back. Okay, we might have, there's a lot.

There's not a game in the league, week one, where there's just more in the line because of the quarterback situations, the hopes of, like we said, the expectation for this franchise, anything less than 9 and 8 will feel awful. And even 9 and 8 if you miss the playoffs, would be like, God, what are we doing here? Yeah, I went through the schedule, and it looks like 8 and 9, 9, and 8 to me, and I was optimistic. I had them splitting with their division. Bears don't split with their division. They went 1 in 5 last year. They don't split in their division. So, okay, John and I chopped it up. We are now both going to go watch Belichick and TCU, and I can't wait for that.

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