The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast Prime Cuts -  Nick Wright on Diggs Drama, J-Mac w/ NFL O/U’s, Jason Timpf on Wemby Overreaction , and Belichick Hot Seat w/ Middlekauff

Episode Date: July 15, 2023

It’s Prime Cuts. The best of The Colin Cowherd Podcast. First Colin’s top takes of the week, including why he’s out on Kyler Murray after defending him against critics for his first three seasons, which 2 QB’s are under the most pressure entering the ‘23 season, what part of Dak Prescott’s game Josh Allen needs to weather the upcoming season. Leading off, First Things First co-host - and host of the What's Wright? podcast - Nick Wright joins Colin to discuss the lack of drama to Dame Lillard trade talks, if drama between Stefon Diggs and the Bills will derail Buffalo’s season, which teams could leap them in the AFC, and why Twitter has become so toxic under Elon Musk. Next, The Herd co-host - and host of the Straight Fire - Jason McIntyre on his best NFL Over/Under bets, and if CJ Stroud will bust with the Texans. Then, Hoops Tonight host Jason Timpf at the Summer League in Vegas discussing the media overreaction to Wemby’s debut, and if Gregg Popovich should load manage him to acclimate him to the NBA. Finally,  3 and Out podcast Host John Middlekauff on if Lincoln Riley could replace Brandon Staley with the Chargers, and if Bill Belichick is really on the hot seat in New England.  Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates! #Herd #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And the frustrations Nick has with Twitter under Elon Musk, Jason McIntyre tries to sell me on a couple of NFL bets. Hoops Tonight host Jason Timph and I talk about the wild overreaction to Victor Wembenyama's Summer League debut and the three-and-out host, John Middilkoff, and I discuss lots of NFL topics. But first, my top takes of the week. So one of the reasons you should be a nice guy or a nice woman is because if you work at a company long enough, many of the people you work with will splinter off, they'll leave, they'll move to another department, they'll move to a rival, they'll move cross-town, they'll leave. And so companies more than ever are fluid, employees more than ever are mobile. And so your reputation will travel.

My dad used to say all the time, be nice to people, lubricate society because at some point, your career will be decided by rooms you're not in. You know, people, management will vote on you, owners will discuss you. And so Kyler Murray is viewed recently as being dysfunctional. But Cliff Kingsbury, he was his coach. Cliff left has all sorts of info

on Kyler Murray. Steve Kime GM left. Has all sorts of info. Kime also had a staff. Kingsbury had a staff. Look at the people over the last three years that have been with the Cardinals, executives,

coaches, players, Larry Fitzgerald, that are now gone. And when people ask all those people about the Cardinals, they ask about one person in particular, Kyler Murray. So I defended Kyler Murray pretty righteously for his first three years. He kept getting better. He threw a beautiful football. He reminded me of a smaller Russell Wilson,

who I think is a Hall of Famer, and it's a dysfunctional organization starting with ownership. So tough division, weird ownership. I kind of defended him. I said I'd sign him. You're trapped. You got to have a guy. But what's interesting this offseason, as the Cardinals once again have blown up their coaching staff

and made changes in the front office, it's amazing when I went to UFC or when I go out or when I'm at any sports function that involves any. in the NFL, how many people are talking about Kyler Murray? And it's not good. So I always say, new information equals new opinion. If you are on a flight and you got new information from the radar, would you want the pilot to avoid a lightning storm or fly through it? If your doctor takes an x-ray, your son, your daughter gets new information, would you want to stick with what they thought the problem was, or would you want them to function based on the new X-ray? Fans Earl was so beholden to, you said this a year ago. Yeah, no shit. Information changes. So my feeling

on Kylo and Marie today is different than a year ago. There is so much information now that has left that building that it's just incredible. Scouts, coaches, executives, people in this sport talk and they talk about Kyler Murray and I have a hard time with indifference it's Ben Simmons doesn't matter how good you are if you don't love it if you have to be prodded into prepping prodded into playing you don't want to run because you don't want to get hit I struggle struggle with it you can have so many flaws I can't live with indifference I can deal with ego I can deal with soft I can deal with emotional to some level I can't deal with indifference Like when I hire people at the volume, are you ready to compete?

Do you love your job? There's nothing you can do with indifference. So Kyler Murray, there's all sorts of comments he made in the last couple days about last year. It was a negative vibe. It was this. It was that. I don't have Kyler Murray as one of the top 10 quarterbacks in the league. And I was jotting down a list yesterday morning, just kind of going to the season.

And you can say what you want about Kirk Cousins and Dak and Derek Carr. They're not his talent. I would sign them before Kyler Murray. That's how far my. opinion is fallen and it's all based on new information. So I was looking at the NFL standings before I came on today. And when you look at the quarterback position in the NFL, we don't have unrealistic expectations for rookie quarterbacks.

I think all fans are reasonable that it's hard and you're going to be overwhelmed. Even Joe Burrow overwhelmed early. And there's not a ton of pressure on the people that are at the top of the food chain. Josh Allen, we know what he is. Lamar Jackson just got paid. Jalen Hertz did. I don't think they're in pressurized situations. And I also don't believe Dak and Kirk cousins.

Again, most people see them as good B plus quarterbacks. I don't think they face like more than just week to week Sunday to Sunday pressure. And as I looked over, perused the standings in the NFL, I thought there was really only two quarterbacks that I felt like there was a lot of pressure on them. And pressure I would define as they are viewed by a certain group, perhaps small, as much more talented than their current production is exhibiting. And let me give an example, Justin Fields. I think he faces real pressure because I think people in Chicago and a lot of people in the media think based on highlights, not overall beginning to end game production, that he's a massive talent.

And I just think he's talented. But at this point, I think he's a 60-40 hit and a 40-60 failure. Slightly more than 50-50, I think it works. And I think it mostly works because I think he now has two productive receivers, perhaps three with Claypool, cross your fingers, two productive tight ends, a middle of the pack, but better than people think O-line and Luke gets, he's an excellent OC, young, smart, guy from Green Bay. But I think of all the quarterbacks in the league, people would say, what about Aaron Rogers? And my takeaway was, they're going to win somewhere between nine and

12 games. Playoffs are not, he's a Hall of Famer. They'll be better. Everybody gets it. Will they be great? Probably not. But somewhere between nine and 11, 12 games is where Aaron's going to land. He knows it. The Jets know it. And we all know it. That's not pressure. Justin Fields is different. Because he shows flashes of brilliance. This is the. year that bears ownership and front office and probably coaches make a decision on by Thanksgiving, he's the guy or not. So I feel like Justin Fields faces the most pressure in the NFL as a quarterback. You could name anybody, Jared Goff. He's been to a Super Bowl. He's been paid. We know what he is, a B-plus quarterback. Trevor Lawrence, he's excellent. There's no pressure in Jacksonville. He got to

the playoffs last year. But Justin Fields, there is a group of people that think he's a tremendous talent. And whereas Josh Allen, Jalen Hertz and Lamar Jackson went from just talented, pivoting to also very good pocket quarterbacks, Justin Fields has not exhibited that yet. And this is the year. And I would say by Thanksgiving, people upstairs will make a decision. The only other quarterback I feel like there's real pressure on is in the same division, Jordan Love. Listen, you replace Aaron Rogers, there's pressure. This is also a winning organization, pressure. This is also probably the second best after Detroit roster in the division pressure.

Jordan Love's been given a contract that's very team friendly. So again, because he's been in the building for so many years, I think they'll know by Thanksgiving in the building. I had an agent that once said this, Nick Kahn. Your bosses will make a decision on your career nine months before they tell you. I think by Thanksgiving, Justin Field and Jordan Love, both teams upstairs will have made a decision. That's real pressure. Because in both cases, especially Fields, they're viewed by a small number of fans as being

really special talents, and I'm not sure either is. But both will feel that pressure this season. So, you know, I asked Jimmy Johnson years ago about leadership and what is leadership. And he didn't have an answer for it, but he said Troy Aikman was a leader, but he couldn't pinpoint what it was. And, you know, one of the first times I was really impressed with Dak Prescott. And I wasn't blown away with him. I watched him play at Mississippi State. I thought he was a better thrower than Tebow.

But I'm like, this guy, you know, there was a reason he got picked in the fourth round. Dan Mullen once told me, the former Mississippi State coach, they never thought he was, you know, an NFL quarterback. But one of the things that impressed me very early on with him is Dak Prescott's Intangibles and Des Bryant, who basically the Cowboys had to babysit out of college. They had to have a security team, which I'm not sure if Des has ever acknowledged that or admitted, you know, that's just a lot for a team to have to worry about. That after college, you're not prepared to, like, stay out of trouble. It was hard for the Cowboys, security detail around the clock.

And Dak Prescott had to deal with that right out of the gate, goes 13 and 3 as a rookie, and had that puppy hovering over him. And it was, that's the kind of thing that explains Dak Prescott's mental toughness. He's dealt with injuries. He's dealt with criticism. He dealt with the COVID season. He's dealt with some controversy. And Dak Prescott has always been his very strongest in. those moments. He's not an elite

armed talent. He's not. He's athletic, but not super mobile. His arm's fine. It's not special. He's accurate enough, but not elite. He's a B, B, B, plus quarterback. But he dealt with Des Bryant

and the neediness and the high maintenance and it didn't get in the way of wins before the Cowboys finally just said, enough is enough, as they should have. It's going to be interesting to watch Josh Allen with Stefan Diggs. Now, Stefan Diggs and opinion is a better player than Des Bryant and is not nearly that difficult. But with both Kurt Cousins and with Josh Allen, after a couple years, you see the theatrics and you hear

the concerns. And Buffalo is clearly, if you watch the draft, a receiver, a tight end, free agency, they went out and got another running back. They're trying to be less reliant on Stefan Diggs. This is where leadership will come in, which, Now, Josh is a better athlete than Dak Prescott. Bigger arm, more mobile, better athlete, up and down the board. A, A, A, A, A, plus, A, A, A. But leadership is DAC's strength. And when you can be a great player and a great talent and a great leader, Mahalms or Burrough,

that's when you separate. To this point, we know Josh Allen is a great athlete. This will be the leadership year. Dealing with Stefan Diggs and this drama. And at some point, Tom Brady, went to Bill Belichick. When they got rid of Randy Moss, Tom Brady was not shocked by it. Obviously, Brady had discussions with Josh McDaniels, Bill Belichick, right? Those don't go public, but they didn't just walk in and say, Randy's gone. It's not the way it works. Tom was too powerful. Even though he

and Belichick weren't close, you know, they would come to him. Sometimes you have to take a step back in talent. The best Patriot teams were not the ones with Moss. It was the teams where you had reliable, wide receiver tight-end targets, reliable, choreographed, you knew where they would be, talents. So the NFL, the margins are too tight for drama. The noisiest team every off-season is one of the more disappointing teams every off-season. So I'm really interested to watch Josh Allen this year.

First time, real drama. A real talented but at times difficult teammate that is crucial to the offense. I've seen DAC deal with stuff like this. A plus. Best part about DAC are these moments. Josh is the better talent. How will he react to it? All right.

I bring in my buddy co-hosts First Things First, also host of What's Right with Nick Wright. And we do this about every six weeks. We do about 40, 45 minutes. And this is kind of the slowest time of the year. It was always in our industry that after football, there was about a month. And then you'd kind of move into March Madness, NFL draft, NBA stuff. But it used to be that I look forward to August. But Sean McVeigh screwed that up by not playing any starters in the NFL and going 8 and 0.

So the really the preseason now is reduced. to talking about C.J. Stroud and Bryce Young. I mean, it is amazing that August used to be a time that I really looked forward. You know, it was post-NBA trade deadline. And it was like, you know, you go take a 10-day vacation. And then you're like, all right, some of this stuff, last year, Kenny Pickett was my primary topic in August. Yeah, it's not great. I mean, I'm not saying you weren't great. But it's just August, because of NBA, movement and because every summer there's a KD trade demand or a Dane trade demand and these things that seem to drag on, I think August has replaced July as the debtist time on our

calendar. And I am like very excited to be talking football again because you've been talking a lot of football throughout. We have, we haven't been talking so much. And now I'm kind of over the Dame thing. I know he's going to go to Miami. It's all posturing. there's a really interesting part of the dame story, which is the assistant GM in Portland,

does a great job, I'm sure, but his name is Mike Schmitz. He worked at ESPN from 2017 until nine months ago. And now, seemingly all of the reporting coming out of, you know, that network is along the lines of, oh, you know, Portland has the leverage. Portland's got, you know, Miami's got up the offer. And I do wonder how much of this is, you know, that Mike Schmitz was there. And now they're trying to get the best deal possible. But he's going to end up in Miami.

I'm kind of over that story. And that there's really not much left in the NBA offseason. Yeah, I stumbled. It was the last thing I talked about today for only three minutes is that there's two sorts of like what we would call classic diva wide receivers. there's the guy that is constantly difficult but productive. Des Bryant. I mean, they had to hire a security team, really babysitted him as a rookie. And then first year with Dak, he was still highly productive but got needy.

And they just decided, much to the chagrin of Jason Garrett, he told me that. He said, I was fighting for him. He gives me eight, ten touchdowns the year. How do I replace that? And then there's the Stefan Diggs Randy Moss model. where they're not trouble. They're highly productive. And then some point at like year three, year four, they flex.

And right. And I said, okay, that's different, right? There's a lot of companies. At the volume, if I knew somebody for three years, I'm getting somebody that's highly productive, then maybe they flame out or that's somebody that's very hireable, right? Not somebody that's high maintenance day one. So I said this.

The bills are telling you they're going to get out of this Stefan Diggs market very quickly. They go and get a tight end in round one. Two NFL GMs told me easily the best tight end. So now they have Kincaid and Dawson Knox. They upgrade running back. They immediately sign more. They double down on their defensive front.

And what it tells me is they're trying to become more run oriented, better up front, ground control, and get out of the Stefan Diggs. And I'll argue this. Just like New England did with Moss after two, three very productive years, you could get out today and he's got value. If he blows up again, half this league, three quarters of this league, Nick,

GMs are like, no, thank you. They're going to be afraid of it. The only I, listen, here's the, the, the, the digs thing is such a problem. for Buffalo for a number of reasons. The typical easy fixes for the wide receiver clearly will not fix this because they're not the problem. And by that I mean, sometimes it's, I want more money.

He got the contract a year ago. Like they, you know what I mean? The money has been paid. It is not a money thing. The other one, if it's not money, is usually I want more targets. over the last couple years, he's one of the two or three, maybe number one, but most targeted guys in the whole league. So it's like, uh-oh, it's not money, it's not targets. How do we fix this?

And I have been kind of, I don't know what the right word is. I have found it unbelievable that Sean McDermott and the Buffalo Bills set this fire publicly. and then are looking around angry at everyone for watching the flames. The timeline of this is, day one of Bill's minicamp, evidently Safon Diggs is there, then leaves before practice. Sean McDermick goes to the media, is asked about Diggs not being there, and says, oh, I'm very concerned, takes a long pause and goes very concerned. well, maybe you shouldn't have said that, buddy.

Then the next day he's there and McDermott goes to the media, he's like, I don't know what everyone's making such a big deal about of this. I excused him. It's like, what? You fucking told us you were concerned. And then they canceled practice the next day. And then Josh Allen was on a podcast a couple days ago. I forget who it was.

But a player runs it. And they asked him, it was, you know, one of the, it wasn't one of yours, but it was similar to Richard Sherman's podcast, something like that. I forget who it was on. I apologize. And he was like, yeah, the media won't stop talking about this. And it's like, man, we wouldn't have even known about it. But your coach screwed up there.

And then when you add to it that the last image we have of Diggs is him yelling at Josh Allen on the sideline, that seems to be a problem. The only question I would have there is Colin, why haven't they just signed D'Andre Hopkins to kind of regain control of the situation because I do think Gabe Davis might not be a number two. He's certainly not a number one. I do think they need a receiver there if they're worried about digs. Maybe they just think, you know, he's under contract. We're going to be fine. But that to me is a, if you had to write now, and this is something I mentioned to you on TV, you can only choose one of these two doors. The bills make the Super Bowl or the bills miss the

playoffs. I am definitely choosing to miss the playoffs. I'm not picking them to miss the playoffs, but I think they're more likely to miss the playoffs than have an awesome year and make the Super Bowl. I think that's for damn sure. A social media question. Good.

The user experience at Twitter has gone in to the tank. I said when Elon Musk took it over, I said, I'm just going to watch it and see what happens. Very quickly, it got annoying. Then violent, violent, violent, videos now I'm constantly muting them ads I'm constantly muting them uh it the user experience is uh more toxic than it's ever been and I don't think um I don't think Elon he's obviously a bright guy he's a creative but I also think he's distracted um threads now gets um unveiled and uh I went on

it my staff put me on it I find it irritating when you look as a young broadcaster coming up, you've been very, I think you've used, been very dynamic on your Twitter spaces to, you know, engage with people. I find the Elon Musk Twitter experience, and I try to be fair about it, just increasingly a poor experience. So I'm not on it at all. Where are you, where, where are you as a younger person on social media today?

So there's a bunch of social media stuff I'd actually like to talk to you about. So for me, I and it was one of, it was kind of a sad choice I made, but that I felt I needed to do it or it was good for me to do it because I do miss out on some interactions. I miss out on maybe some ideas I wouldn't otherwise have thought of. But I, four years ago, five years ago, around the time I started out, have a real national profile, just said, I am never, I shouldn't say never, I am almost never looking at my mentions. I am not engaging in it whatsoever, except for, if people don't know, back when Twitter was pre-Musk, if you were verified, you add a separate mentions tab

that would only show you tweets from other verified. people. And so what that would mean is, I would, if any athletes, if any other journalists, if any other broadcasters were engaging with what I was saying positively or negatively, I would see it. But, and that maybe people are going to say that's elitist, I'm not listening, but it was, it was, it would, it was too toxic of just you, I don't care how kind of, you know what I mean, above it you claim to be. If you have thousands of strangers saying basically you suck, it's going to get in your head somehow. And the flip side is, if you have thousands of strangers saying you're the greatest, it's going to get in your head somehow.

And the things that, and that you talk to Ethan Strauss about this, the things that get the most applause on social media are not necessarily representative. of the things that are what i what i use social media for which is a professional vehicle you know what i mean and so i stopped looking at my mention so like i to this day i just yesterday at the yankee game some guy came up to me was like man i don't know why so many people effin hate you i think you're great and it was like nice of him but i also like i was thinking i was like honestly, I'm blissfully unaware these days of how many people hate me

because you gotta find you better see me in person and tell me and I have seen so that's a very long even and it's not even a full answer. The reason I mentioned it, Musk ripping off that verified tab to mean anything was to me

very damaging on my ability to engage with anyone on Twitter. Very damaging. And And so that to me was, that's a shame. Now then you have like, hey, sign up for Blue Sky. I got an invite code. And then it's like sign up for spill.

And then yesterday it was threads. And I'll probably be a begrudging late adopter. But I don't know, man. I got 600,000 followers on Twitter. I also am blessed to have a platform outside of, social media. If you want to see what I have to say, like, I'm on television every day.

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follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. So I remember I lived in Connecticut nine years ago. And I remember exactly where I was. I was in my driveway. I was on my cell phone. And you and I would talk about once a month, about business and stuff. And I said to you, I said,

just be patient. We'll work together. I said, I respect you. You like the right stuff. You're not overly dramatic. You have a sense of humor. You probably don't remember this call. But I do.

I remember we had a gravel driveway. And so it was probably 10 years because it took us a year to fix it. And all the gravel would get stuck in our tires. So we made it, you know, cement. And I said to you, I said, you're going to, this thing's going to work. Like all these bloggers, most are full of shit.

They don't break any stories. And I had gone to my ESPN bosses and I said, whoever runs the big lead, he's actually breaking stories. He's not just aggregating stuff. Like he breaks stories. Do you remember me telling you? And this is probably 10 or 11 years ago

that we were going to work together. Can I say I vaguely recall that, Colin? I know we would have conversations from time to time about the industry, the business, which way it was headed. Could you could already see kind of the tea leaves were shifting. Things were moving kind of quickly, but also slowly, the same way cables erosion is happening. Now, you could kind of see how blogs, which had kind of disrupted newspapers and sports, all of a sudden blogs start to get phased out as social media pops up.

And I could kind of see like, okay, we're making money on the big lead. Things are going well. But yeah, I need to start thinking about what's next for me, what's next in my career. and when you mentioned TV, I was like, well, geez, I didn't go to college for that. You know, am I going to be prepared? And I think you recall, I recall you telling me, hey, man, you got nothing to worry about. Just be yourself. And that's kind of been a lot of the advice you've given me.

Just be yourself. Do you, you do your homework. You're well researched. Be ready when your number is called. You know, I feel like that pinch hitter in the dugout, waiting for that opportunity. Yeah. And then the coach says, all right, get on deck. You're up to bat.

And you always got to be ready. So the New York Times disbanded their sports. Department, you and I talk a lot off the air. It's probably our primary discussion off the air is either rumors in sports or rumors in our industry. So when they bought the athletic, it was a, you know, it was a, they showed their hand. It wasn't going to be the New York Times Sports Department. The athletic was going to become the sports department. I think everybody in the industry sort of knew that. I always looked at the New York Times sports as sort of people, a little precious. If you cover badminton, I'm not going to take you seriously. They didn't really like, appear to like

sports. So, you know, for a global newspaper, maybe that works. But again, I can think Tyler Kepner did great work with baseball. I read a lot of him. But I could also think you could see this coming from 100 miles away. They have sports writers that, like, write once a month. It's a grinder's world. There's lots of people in our business who are good. They're just infrequent contributors. And as somebody that now owns a company, I need daily or biweekly work. Were you shocked by the Times move? No, not at all. Like you said, there's these feature writers. That was like the golden position in newspapers, right? Like how you would write for Sports Illustrator. You'd like one piece. It would take you a month to write it. That would be your story. And it was like, that's a plumb job. Who wouldn't

want to work like that? But you could see the New York Times was kind of trying to zig when the industry sagging like, hey, you want to read about the NBA that's all over the internet, radio, TV. We're going to give you all the tennis you can handle. We're going to back up the brinkstruck and unload on golf. And like you said, badminton. And we're going to go for kind of these peculiar stories, maybe about table tennis or what have you. And yeah, they would do great investigative work. But again, it's not the kind of thing, Colin, where it's just sustainable, where you write

one story, even a week. Like, that just doesn't work. I mean, think about it. You, when you do the herd, you've got to lead every hour. with heavy, strong takes to keep the sports fans coming. And you got to do that five days a week. Like, this idea that writers and journalists could work once a week, once a month, that's just, that's archaic.

That stuff does not exist anymore. And, you know, you see where this is headed. Like, this is the New York Times, you know, the one newspaper subscription that's worked. They just said no to their sports section. It's over. So you got to start thinking about where this goes in five years and 10 years. And it's not a pretty place, obviously. It's almost like a liberal idealistic tunnel.

John Skipper figured this out at DeZone. There's plenty of quotes on the internet where John made some, you know, some purchases when he was at DeZone. And he figured out touching all the bases is irrelevant. You got to go after the big stories. It's all anybody talks about. And John Skipper, I don't have them in front of me, acknowledge that. I think sometimes left-leaning journalists feel like they want to touch all the bases and cover the people that don't get love. it's over, like the athletic.

I go for NFL, NBA playoff takes, UFC, you know, there's very few things. In fact, I don't even go to the athletic for UFC. I go to them for NFL, college football, NBA. Sometimes, you know, I have places I go for UFC. I mean, I basically have four sports I love. NFL, NBA, college football, and UFC. I'll pay whatever it takes to get it.

And then I don't really count United States men's national team. That's like, you know, that's sort of a, that's our team. And then I like college basketball and I like baseball, but I'm not going to pay big money for them. If they're there, I'll watch. I'll discuss infrequently. But I do think there's sometimes in the journalism world, there's this sense, we're going to cover all the bases. And it doesn't matter. You've got to cover.

You were at the big lead. You didn't, I remember this. you didn't waste a lot of time trying to appease everybody. Take me to your thought process on creating a blog that you sold for seven figures. Well, when you try to please everybody, you please nobody because nobody's going to be happy with your work. I'll never forget, Colin, I would wake up before school every morning around 6 o'clock on the East Coast. My dad would be leaving for work. He'd pick up the Washington Post from the driveway.

And I'd say, dad, you know, peel me out the sports section. And I would look at the sports section and read about what happened in sports the night before. Like, that's how we used to get news. Okay, now you wake up, your alarm to wake up is probably on your phone, and instantly, you've got a rundown of what happened that matters. And I know there's NHL purists who believe like, oh, man, the NHL draft was crazy. I'm sure it was. But the number of people who care about that does not matter to me running a website.

People want to know what's going on in the NBA, NFL, college football, and then they want the other stuff, like Britney Spears versus Victor Wenbanyama, whack. like that. They love those wacky stories that anyone can relate to. Listen, I play tennis myself. I'm entering a tournament later this month. I can't tell you the last story I read about tennis. Okay. I don't play a lot of golf. I know a lot of friends who play golf. They don't read golf. Like there is not really a lot of compelling stories in those granular sports. You've really got to, as you told me once when I got a radio show on Fox Sports

Radio, play the hits. That was like your number one thing. Play the hits. You could lead with Aaron Rogers one day, Cowboys the next day, play the big stories. People care about that deeply. As much as I want a bag on the Houston Texans, you know, I can't open a show with that here on my podcast. I wasn't blogging much about the inferior teams in the NFL. You've got to give the people what they want.

You've also always had an eye, and I've always loved it, but you've had an eye for gambling. You're very good at it. And, you know, again, I try not to be precious. There's a sense that, you know, gambling, be very careful about gambling. People can get hooked. The average bet when I worked with Fandoul, the average bet was $4. 99% of the people are not betting what they can't handle.

Are there people that can't handle that responsibility? Yes, 30 million Americans are obese. There are people that can't handle bagels. There are people that can't handle alcohol. The disturbance rate or distortion rate for gambling is 1%. It's 6% for alcohol. Lots of people can struggle with alcohol consumption. Not that many people, you know, the stories are anecdotal.

There are people to get lost in it. Overwhelmingly, people bet four or five bucks. That's what they gamble. So I want to go to your overrunners in the NFL because you and I are aligned on almost everything. The one thing we're not. You hate the Rams. Now, I worry about because I have friends that work with them about being a homer, but I've got friends all over the chargers, and I'm always reluctant to embrace the chargers.

But I do think it's a head coach quarterback league. And I think there's four positions you've got to get right. Head coach, quarterback, somebody in your front five defensively and a big time weapon. And I think the Rams have all of that. I also think they're incredibly young on defense. But that's about Kansas City. last year was young on defense. If you have an elite defender up front, you can be really young in your back seven because

we talked about this with Wembenyama. Offense is refinement. Defense is blowing shit up. Defense is about fast speed. Can you disturb the offense? Young defenses, the Jets, have all sorts of young players. They're fast. They get, if they get injured, they get healthier.

So I think the Rams tend to be better than people think. What is your, and again, coach, quarterback, weapon, defensive linemen. Like, you get those four right. You can have flaws everywhere. What is your primary concern with the Rams? Well, they're clearly top heavy. But I do want to, let me preface this by saying, I'm a big Rams fan now that I moved to LA.

Like, yeah, I like them. I root for them. I go to some Rams games. I know people who are friends with Stafford and vacation with him. Listen, I like the Rams. I've rooted for Stafford. I like Cooper Cup. Colin, this team is, honestly, the Rams are closer to being in the Caleb Williams

sweepstakes than the playoffs. That's the reality. I had someone, remember how I've been saying on your show? Give me their defensive depth chart. I don't know anybody other than Aaron Donald. They have, they drafted, I believe, 14 rookies and they signed 24 undrafted players. 38. I don't know how many are going to make the roster.

But Colin, you look at that two depth chart, two deep chart on the, on the defense. And it is one of the worst in the league. they are super top heavy with Stafford, who by the way, had a major elbow thing. And I'm just saying, like, I said on your show that there's a world where Aaron Donald maybe gets traded. Like, if I'm McVeigh and I was close to retirement, what would you want to do? Keep going with this old crew? Or all of a sudden you start out in two and five, one and four, it's like, ooh, wow, I don't know what we have here. And when I'm looking at over unders, I bet the schedule, I think that under on the Rams is one of the best bets on the board.

currently I see it at six and a half, Colin. I know you like the Rams, you know, less need, all these guys. Like, you are way off market. Now, listen, that's not the worst thing in the world. Last year at this time, nobody had the Eagles winning the Super Bowl or going to the Super Bowl. You know, so, you know, maybe the Rams exceed expectations. But at six and a half, it just tells me, man, that schedule, the age on this team, you know, they could be in a lot of shootouts and being on the wrong end of a lot of them.

Okay, your most interesting over, you have the Ravens over nine and a half. My concern is of their top nine players, eight have an injury history. Of the Steelers' top nine players, none do. T.J. Watt was banged up last year. But when T.J. Watts healthy, the Steelers win 75% of their games. But you have them as an over, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, and Deshawn Watson should be better. There will be an argument by Thanksgiving. It may be one of the best divisions, if not the best division in football.

So where do you get 10 plus wins for the Ravens? So I look at this usually, you know, macro sense, it's NFC overs, AFC unders. That's pretty much how I would lean because the AFC is so incredibly stacked. Why I look at the Ravens, Colin, you know, I know we've made fun of Deshaun, not Deshaun Watson, Lamar Jackson last few years has been hurt. But what's funny is with him healthy, despite how bad the supporting cast has been, they've been a first place team in November. And all of a sudden, Lamar Jackson goes down and the kind of the bottom falls out.

Injuries to the offensive line, injuries to the defense, defense getting old. I like the reinvigoration at offensive coordinator. Monkid comes from Georgia. And some people have broke down on YouTube, some stuff that he used to do, spread offense, even with Stetson Bennett. I know they had a defense that carried him to two natties. But Stetson Bennett do some interesting things in the pocket. A lot of pre-snap movement that the, you know, the analytics.

the guy's loves. And there's a world where Lamar Jackson is in play, if he's healthy, for an MVP award. He's got the best supporting cast and skill position he's ever had. And, you know, I think this was in a movie or something, but, you know, always bet on Harbaugh, because both Harbaugh brothers have done a lot of winning. And John Harbaugh is just a winning coach, man. This guy knows what to do. So I would lean over on the Ravens 9 and a half.

So one other bet you have that's interesting. You have the Texans under six and a half. And so I have a friend who kind of deals in the world of quarterbacks, college and pro. And he's not judgmental. He travels around. He sees a lot of them. And he was recently at an event where C.J. Stroud was at the event, Texan's rookie quarterback.

And his takeaway was, I don't get it. Like, I didn't see the juice. He's quiet. He doesn't jump out as a leader. He throws a nice, catchable ball. Ohio State has never had a great NFL quarterback. And my argument's always been, JMAC, is it's always been,

is that in the SEC, there's six or seven teams with NFL bodies everywhere. But in the Big Ten, outside of Michigan, every team Ohio State plays is significantly less talented. And you're just, it's an easy college life for quarterbacks. As good as a Georgia quarterback is or an LSU quarterback is, they're facing NFL defensive bodies every Saturday. Big stadiums, loud, lubricated. It doesn't matter how good your offensive line is.

Tua's getting banged up. You know, Jalen Hertz at Alabama, you're going to get hit in the SEC. and Ohio State's offensive lines, five star. Ohio State's receivers, five star. It's an easy life, and it's not a great place to prep for the NFL. And so when my friend told me this, he said, I just, and he's very bright, and he knows, he knows this stuff. He's like, I just don't see it. What is your best guess on C.J. Stroud?

We both admit, Bryce, his size is a concern. concern, he's probably the number one guy. There's a lot of back and forth on Justin Fields. There's a lot of back and forth on C.J. Stroud. Generally, there'll be a quarterback that we all sort of go, yeah, he's the best guy. Caleb Williams next year. He's the best guy. Look, Trevor Lawrence. Right? Like, there's a guy, bro. You thought he was better than I did, but he's going to be fine. C.J. Stroud's in that Justin Fields category, the Sam Darnel category, like people are taking sides.

what side are you on? Yeah, I'm on the side of the Texans are probably a four-win team. Colin, they were an abject disaster last year and now you have a rookie quarterback, as you said from Ohio State, which hasn't produced any great ones. By the way, two years ago,

Stroud, you probably had a better receiving cast at Ohio State than he will this year. Remember, Olave, Wilson, Harrison, like, he doesn't have those guys in the NFL now. Rookie head coach, who is a defensive head coach? And you go on rants probably weekly about how defensive head coaches, that's not your jam in the NFL. First time play caller, I believe.

That is so much newness. And this is the second straight year in free agency where they just go and they just get guys. There's no like, ooh, that's a great buy. That's a great bargain. What value? You don't hear any of that with the Texans free agent moves. The GM in trouble. This franchise is just, I don't see it.

This is definitely an under six and a half for me. I actually feel they're in the basement in the division. It's not that hot of a take. but I think the Indianapolis Colts, with Shane Steichen, offensive guy, we'll finish ahead of the Texas. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.

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You know, he knows he's already going to make the team. So I thought it was kind of predictable that he would struggle. It was choppy. I got to tell you, though, when I watched them today, you know, his size is just so impactful. There's just no way around it. He's going to have 25 point nights. So let's start with the difference you saw, Jason. Game one, game two.

What jumped out to you? This is so funny to me. That news cycle was objectively hilarious. It's like, okay, here's this guy who already has been good against pros in France, who already was great against the G League Ignite team, like destroyed them in two games in America a few months back. And like one game in Summer League and everyone was rewriters. whether or not this prospect was worth all of the hype.

And then Big Shock, he comes out with 27 and 12 with three blocks today. The big thing that stood out to me was just process. Like, honestly, I looked over at Carson and Logan, our nerdsush guys right before the game, and I'm like, I wonder if they're going to play basketball or just throw him the bat or just throw him the ball and let him play ISO pickup ball. And that's what they did in that first game. For several possessions, he's just standing on the wing, dribbling like he's Kevin Durant against Kai Jones.

and that's literally the hardest way to play basketball. And, you know, I kind of did a little thing in my show today. Every young player has a floor and a ceiling. And their floor is mainly based on what they're already great at. And then their ceiling is based on whether or not they can address their weaknesses. He has things that he's great at. He's the greatest combination of height and length and coordination of any center that we've ever seen. He's already got great defensive instincts and a good amount of offensive polish.

So if you play easy basketball with him, he will excel. There was a sequence at the end of this game where he set a ball screen. There was a switch. He flashed to the middle of the floor. They threw him the ball. And he just quick shot a little turnaround fade away over his right shoulder to make it to get it back to four. Very next possession. Guy drives along the left side. The rim protector gets occupied. He just relocates to the left wing and takes a wide open catch and shoot three and he makes it to get it back to one. I'm like, this is what it's going to look like in San Antonio. Real basketball where he has an opportunity to demonstrate what he's great at.

And I'm not surprised at all that he popped in that setting. I thought all of the reaction to game one was really misplaced, disrespectful to what he's already accomplished as a pro. And just it was predictable that he would bounce back the way he did today. Yeah. In the game one and game two, there was a moment where somebody ripped the ball out of his hands. And I do think, like if somebody said to me,

like what's the one glaring weakness? I would say weakness. He's 19. Like, you know, guys are, you know, he put the ball up a couple of. couple times. The guys just grabbed it and pulled it out of his hands. And it's like, yeah, you can tell he need, you know, when you start looking at these veteran NBA guys, they look like they've been in a professional weight room for seven years. Like, it's just different definition. So if you told me, like I could see them building a schedule and saying, and I thought, I said this with OKC, they should do it for Jet Hongram. Fifty eight games. Just take some road trips off. Stay home, lift weights for four days instead of that two team road trip to say, you know, Houston or Land, Orlando. no, stay home. Eat, workout, try to make as many home games as you can, right?

And have a limited road schedule. Not that you don't need to go on the road, but there'll be times. I just want him to stay home, sleep, eat, lift, and play 58 games. And I feel that way with Wembe. It's like, obviously he has his motors running. I mean, you know, when you were 19, you could polish off two turkey sandwiches, glass of milk, two cookies. Hour later, you're starving.

right like that's who he is he's 19 he's going to burn 7,000 calories and it's like the only thing I look at I think he just need to get stronger he just needs he needs just nights off because you know I've talked to NBA guys about this you start burning calories when you're 19 20 21 22 it's hard to keep weight on if you're playing 40 a night and this because these guys a lot of these guys jason especially college guys hey ain't playing any defense in college you're you know match up zones and you kind of guard a space. It's the first time you've had to guard a guy. So, like, it is a whole different ballgame.

So I just think, I think he's just going to get a little bit stronger. But there were a couple, when he did those back-to-back dunks, there are these moments of, like, he's just going to get some. Like, there's, you can, you know what a player's great when you perfectly defend them and they score. Like, length is undefeated. Like, it just wins all the time. If Durant's 6-8, he's not.

the same player he's just really really good so um and i thought i will tell you this he's a really gracious kid like i think he's really grateful for it and i think it matters like i don't see any he's just really you know very grateful for it i don't know like i think he's got the perfect you know i'm going to throw a theory really quickly so popovitch got lucky robinson duncan like the nicest guys in the world right Yeah. Then he gets Kauai, who's difficult, right? And he leaves.

And he says to himself, I'm not, I'm not doing that. Wembe has got an old school, grateful personality a little bit, little old school, right? And the foreign players, as we've discussed, come into the country, and they're very appreciative. It's new. All visitors are more polite, right? You go overseas, I do. We're more polite. I think he's been waiting for the next, you know, just happening to be an international player.

I think they're going to do really well. I think this is going to be Popovich's third run to you. Absolutely. I mean, the beauty of having a personality like that at a position like that, if you think about Duncan, is it makes it really easy to bring different types of volatile ball handlers around him. Because not only is he unassuming, he's your foundational piece. He's the guy that you build your entire defense around. On offense, he's a guy that's going to pick and pop to the top of the key

or to beat switches with smaller guys. He'll bury him in the post. But he actually needs a primary ball handler. And so when you have a guy like that who also has a great attitude, it's going to make it really easy to find players that want to play with him. I really like the point you made about putting on weight because I've never thought about it that way in terms of cutting back his playing time as a vehicle with which to, put on muscle because it is so difficult to maintain weight, let alone gain weight during a basketball

season. Every year I'd play, I'd go into the season at like 227, 229, and I'd come out of the season like 217, 219 because like you just, all you're doing is playing and playing and sweating and playing and working out and going to class and you just don't ever have an opportunity to do what it takes to keep the weight on until you get to the off season. So I like that idea of kind of like minimizing his workload as an opportunity to put on weight in. to help avoid injuries. But, you know, it's funny because the ceiling with him is completely ridiculous, right? The crazy high-level shot making, the one-legged three-point shot that he takes from the top

of the key that he actually made quite a bit when he was in Europe, all the stuff that he can do defensively. But overnight, he's going to be really good in ways that impact winning in terms of rim protection. He closed out a ton of possessions at the end of that game, just snatching defensive rebounds over the top of everybody. Getting to the foul on, he shot 12 free throws tonight. Just because when he reaches to shoot over the top of people, they go for the ball and they get forearm because they're just not close to where he is, right?

But here's the thing. He's not going to win rookie of the year, most likely. Because it's going to be someone like Scoot Henderson, someone that's going to put up a ton of numbers that's going to pop earlier in their career with the way that their skill set goes. He's going to be the kind of guy that all year long people are going to be looking for opportunities these to minimize what he's doing. This is the dude that five to ten years from now has the potential to be both the best

offensive player in the league and the best defensive player in the league. That is the ultimate ceiling there, but that will take time. He's not someone that's necessarily going to pop statistically early on. And so I hope people treat him with that level of fairness. But as far as Popovich goes, and I don't know if you saw, there's kind of a caveat there where he may not actually stay on and coach that whole time because he's also the president in a basketball operation, so they might work something out where they phase him out, but then maybe he can pick the successor at that point.

But because of his specific personality and his skill set, they're going to be able to find pieces to surround him with. People are going to want to play with this guy. I think the spurs are going to be relevant for the next decade. So, I mean, one of the coaches that's clearly on the hot seat is Brandon Staley with the Chargers. 100%. No question.

If they don't make the playoffs, defensive coach, third year. wasting Justin Herbert's career. It'll be the only elite quarterback in the league that's not like growing, right? So my takeaway is if they don't make the playoffs and in the AFC, you've got to win those close games chargers, which historically you haven't, right?

You just can't give away games when you outplay teams. If they fire Brandon Staley, I think they'll make the Calder Lincoln Riley, but what saves USC is that he makes over 10 million a year and that he'd want 15 because he could stay at USC as long as he wants

and I think Kellyn Moore would get the job because the Spanos is historically don't spend on coaches you could give Kellan 4.5.5.5. 6 and a half. But I think the two coaches because you can't go from defensive coach to defensive coach. If you'd have to go offense and my guess is the people in L.A. would say

take Lincoln. Bruin fans would certainly scream that. But I think, but I think Kellen Moore would be next in line. So to me, Brandon Staley has the most heat on him in the league. Is there a second?

That's a good question. You know, I think Jerry's shown to be a little more patient. In fairness, Mike, for two years that they have been successful and it's not like they're going up against the bar where it's NFC championship or bust, right? They haven't been in one in two and a half decades.

I would say, you know, it feels like the Tomlin and the Harbaugh feel a little bit untouchable. I saw a story today, and you and I have talked about this over the last several months. It's unique because this guy's won six Super Bowls. But there is a weird elephant in the room pressure on Bill. I think there was tangible pressure of him being aggressive and stealing his offensive coordinator from his good friend, Nick Saban. Obviously, they have a relationship, but, you know, Nick doesn't love losing offensive coordinators all the time. Like, he fights to keep those guys. they usually go on to be head coaches, not another offense coordinator.

I guess Brian Dayball did it too. But I think there's enough smoke where there is, no one's acting like Belichick's the village idiot. But isn't there just a time where every coach? Well, usually it doesn't go like Popovich, where you just don't win for seven, eight years and kind of get to survive. Usually during that period, it ends. I don't care how many championships you have in the history of sports.

And how are they going to be that good relative to the AFC, Colin? And also, if you read Ian O'Connor's book on Belichick or Jeff Ben, When you start reading these books, it's pretty clear that the Kraft family, Robert Stephen, somebody, has been at least one of the sources for some of the Belichick criticism. 100%. So it's they, you know, Bill, my wife used to say this. She was in HR for a long time. She said nobody, and it's not true, but she said very rarely in her career when she fired somebody, were they surprised? right now now we just had some horrible media layoffs but very rarely is a coach fired and everybody goes whoa

when belichick he's always had kind of a um you know he's he's short with people he can be sort of condescending right media certainly um for sure obviously he didn't get along great with brady no dinners together in 20 some years so it wasn't great but for for the crafts or somebody in their circle. There's a lot of inside information critical of Bill in those books. It had to come somebody in that family or near it. I think they would first go to him and talk about a consulting, seven-figure consulting role. But fourth place is fourth place. And I think the minute he went defensive coordinator to offensive coordinator, he sort of laid the groundwork. Because what happened is he not only made the offense worse, it's a little bit of a

speed bump for Mack Jones. And reportedly, Ben Voli, Boland said this week that Mac Jones and his family have forged their relationship with the crafts. So they're hearing things. They're hearing the frustration. I don't think it's outrageous after the year if Bill steps down and there's a backdoor deal of some monetary, noteworthy monetary value. I just don't see in the AFC. I mean, they would have to have the number one defense in the league. They would have to just be an incredible special teams team.

Now, granted, they've been good in those units, but I'm talking the cream of the crop. Because just look at their offensive personnel. It's not explosive enough. And you can't just go 1987, you know, try to run for 2,800 yards in this league, especially in the division they're in, which can all score points, right, have explosive quarterbacks. That's the other thing. When you're an owner or, you know, and the fans, you get to see the Miami Dolphins offense

and Josh Allen and now Aaron Rogers. That's six games, right? That you're watching start to finish. and you kind of really know. And they've had a front row seat now and Josh Allen kicking their ass for a little while. And now with Tua being more explosive, or even if Mike White has to play,

the amount of talent they have on offense, they're going to score points in Miami. So I'm with you. I think he has, I think trouble is ahead. You know, it doesn't make him like he's got stupid overnight or now he's an idiot.

And I think other teams would be very interested. But that would also be interesting, right? A guy over 70, very stuck in his ways. He was used to making a lot of coin. I mean, is someone just giving them four years, $80 million? It used to be that Belichick would work young front offices and poorly owned and run franchises. Like he did a lot of deals with Cleveland, you know, Buffalo.

Yeah. The fact that he re-signed Devonte Parker, who was last in the league three years in a row at separation, the fact that they signed Juju Smith-Schuster, the Chiefs worked the Patriots. The chiefs got the value in the ring didn't have to pay juju. So the chiefs now are working the Patriots. People are working the Patriots. It used to be New England worked the other teams. So by signing Devante Parker and not having really a high-end tight end, what does it do? It makes Mack Jones less crucial.

This team can win one way now. Run game and defense. That's it. Yeah. There is no, because Mac's not an off script player. So what it does is it forces, I mean, Devante Parker can only be schemed open. He doesn't get open.

So what it does, it forces Mack Jones to be incredibly coachable. I mean, who in the world in this league? What offensive coach would resign Devonte Parker for three years? None. It's insane. It's insane. So it really forces Mac Jones to play Bill's way. That's what it feels like to me.

I mean, Judeo Smith-Schuster, kind of a slot guy, doesn't really separate. Devante doesn't separate. By the way, what did they do in the draft? Two kickers, three guards. Again, speed deficiencies offense never addressed them. They went three defensive players first, three guards, two kickers. Didn't go to receiver until the end. So again, he's creating a team that can win in Bill's worldview, not Max, not where,

remember when Brady and Randy Moss really lit the world up, That's kind of the beginning of where Bill lost his leverage. It wasn't in the Super Bowl. It was like, oh, Tom's the greatest quarterback ever, literally shattered records. That's when Tom started doing more commercials, was more comfortable speaking out. And I think that's kind of the tipping point where Bill felt, I'm not going to do that again. I'm not going to make a guy and then lose control. Other podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite, unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends,

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