The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast - Pt 1. Nick Wright on Daniel Jones Deal, Rodgers/Jets Red Flags, Lamar Franchise Tag Fallout

Episode Date: March 8, 2023

First, (3:00) Colin explains why the Ravens are hesitant to pay Lamar Jackson like other elite NFL QB’s. Then, First Things First co-host - and host of the What's Wright? podcast - Nick Wright joins Colin to discuss if the Giants overpaid Daniel Jones (7:00), why the Saints cao mismanagement could derail their chances to win with Derek Carr (12:00), the signs Aaron Rodgers to the Jets could be a bust (16:00), how the Ravens giving Lamar Jackson with the non-exclusive franchise tag could backfire (35:00), and which teams could be interested. Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates, and check out FanDuel for the best wagering and daily fantasy action! #Herd #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Following 30 minutes, going to be NBA talk. It's going to be a two-parter, baby. I can't wait. There are highest-rated podcasts. So a little preamble before I go into Nick Wright on Lamar Jackson. So the Ravens, as reported, have offered him a non-exclusive franchise tag.

He won't like it. He being Lamar Jackson. Meaning the Ravens are, saying, we like you, but test the market. If somebody makes a big offer, they can match. But the Ravens are rolling the dice, thinking there won't be a significant market for Lamar Jackson. Now, you all know I like Lamar Jackson.

Dynamic wow qualities when 75% of it starts. JJ Watt went on to social media, Twitter, and asked the question, what am I missing? My response to J.J. Watt would be, you're not missing. anything. Lamar Jackson's missing something. Games. He's missed 10 of the Ravens last 22. Games. Not available? Don't care how talented you are. Last two years, he's been banged up by the end of the year. So I've said this before. Bryce Young, I think he's really good. But as the quarterback position has evolved to more mobile, more athletic, more running, smaller quarterbacks, these guys are not all built to play 15, 20 years. They're not. Smaller quarterbacks in vogue,

running quarterbacks in vogue. I get it. Teams saying, listen, we're going to roll it for four or five years. We're not giving you big guaranteed money from year five to year nine. Mahomes overwhelmingly pocket quarterback gets his money. Josh Allen runs, but he's 6-6-250. That's why he gets his money, Cam got his money, and Ben got his money. But if you're seen as slight, if you're seen as somebody that has to excel out of the pocket, if you've been banged up more than once, Lamar Jackson has, his last 15 starts. He's got an 85 passer rating. A lot of people no longer see him as an ascending quarterback. He's a slightly regressing quarterback. So I can like Lamar, but as the quarterback position has evolved to a more athletic position, people are rolling

the dice on guys that move more and guys that are smaller. I've said it with Bryce Young. I think he's the best quarterback. He's 5, 10 and a half. He weighed in at 204 at the combine. You and I know he's going to play at about 193. He's 20 pounds light and three inches short. So I draft him, but two years later, I draft another quarterback. If he can get you out of purgatory, If he can get you out of the abyss, I'm Houston. I draft him. But I don't think he's at 401k here. That's day trading.

You're going to need another quarterback in three or four years. And I think Baltimore's come to that conclusion, is if the market says Lamar's got four or five teams bidding on him, then Baltimore's going to have to pay up. They're betting that is not the case. The Atlanta Falcons already come out, not interested. Miami Dolphins already come out, not interested. I think Baltimore says culture, coach, GM owner, roster.

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I went back to Duke, where he had an offensive coach, a legend. Cutcliffe, David Cutcliffe. Yeah, of course. The Manning family, excellent guy. In college, he had 52 touchdowns and 29 picks. If you add in the fumbles, it's like 52 to 35. It's not even 2 to 1.

It's like 1 and a half to 1 ratio. In the NFL, 72 touchdowns running or throwing, 57 turnovers, fumbles or picks. So Mahomes, obviously, is the class of the league, four to one. Other great quarterbacks give you two and a half to three to one. Daniel's not two to one. Daniel is closer to one and a half to one. I got a worse ratio for you, Colin.

Post-rooky year, more games played than touchdown passes. More games started at quarterback than touchdown's thrown. He is, last year was the best year we've ever seen him. He threw 15 touchdown passes. It is, this is why the franchise tag exists. So if a guy who in a contract year has an outlier season, and again, everyone's like this, he was great this year, he had 15 touchdown passes.

You can then be like, okay, show it to us one more time. And I am shocked that the Giants made this decision. All year, this is the thing that's so baffling to me. People were arguing Brian Daibald should be coach of the year. I agreed with them in large respect because they were like, look at what he's doing with Daniel Jones. And now they're like, here's $160 million, Daniel Jones. I thought what they would do this year was franchise Jones,

and risk taking a step back for the sake of information, meaning they're going to say, okay, Daniel, you actually have to play the real position now. Right. It's not just safe layups, run the ball, run you, where you're going to have to have a, we're going to throw a sophisticated passing offense at you. Yeah.

And see if you can sink or swim. And if you swim, we'll pay you. If you, because now they're in a weird spot where they have paid. paid him. And I think they have to run this high school offense again. And I'll, I'll give a guy credit. Greg Rosenthal who works for the NFL.com writes good stuff. He's a smart guy. Because I didn't think about this. He said he thinks that ownership maybe got had a say in this. Absolutely. That ownership who had a relationship with Eli and held on to him too long that they like how he

carries himself who he is as a person and that they put their finger on the scale. Because I can't imagine Shane and Dable want to be tied to him for at least two more years and probably three. No, this has always been my takeaway. This is a Blue Blood franchise. When I was in Connecticut, most of my friends were Giants fans and Yankee fans. And so, you know, I listened. I went out and drink and I hung out with Yankee and Giant fans. and there's, first of all, giant fans have had a lot of success, like Yankee fans.

Yeah. They're often older. They're like Michigan Wolverine fans. They've been good since the 40s. So they tolerate a little more. They're a little more patient, right? Sure. And I always said, even when the Giants win, they're an accounting firm.

They've never won and you went, wow, what a spectacular. That's not what they are. Yeah. They take pride in intelligence, grinding, work ethic. That is their brand. Like the Ravens, have they ever had a good team that wasn't tough as shit? They get, they are physical. Right.

Right. The Raiders want to be fast. There are certain, the Steelers want to have great linebackers and play defense. There are certain things we know. So the Mara family, he looks like Eli. Big lie. I mean, their haircuts are the same. Southern.

Yep. Carries himself. Yep. It does all that stuff. There's no doubt. They don't want to get on the carousel. But it's just there are two moves. Because the move that I'm the most aghast by is what the Saints did. Listen, I think Derek Carr's good.

I think they'll probably win the division. So this is not an indictment on car. The Saints have been operating. their franchise. Like they have inside intel that the NFL is going to fold in 2025 and none of the rest of us know. They run their team the way I think I would run my Amex if a doctor said you have six months to live.

Well, fuck it. Everything's free, I guess. And so when you had Drew Brees and it was like, okay, it's the very end of an all-time quarterback. Right. Let's put it all in the credit card. and pay the bill later, I get it. I totally get it.

The Bucks did it with Tom. We'll worry about the future and the future try to win right now. And now that Tom's gone, you saw today the Bucks cut Donovan Smith, cut some other people. They're going to take their medicine and tear it down and build it back up. The Saints have been pretending that they're still contenders. Colin, two years ago, Drew Brees's last year, because they had built the team like he was going to retire. a year early. $44 million in dead money.

And I know people like, ah, the cap's fake. It's not fake. If everyone else gets to spend $200 and you get to spend $150, your handicapped, then Drew retired the next year, $50 million in dead money. Well, that's a problem. This year already, $40 million in dead money. They haven't even cut my...

Listeners to this, if you're a football nerd, Go to the Saints spot rack page and click on Michael Thomas. You know what you'll see? That the Saints on their books for not this season, but the one after, Michael Thomas is cap it. Michael Thomas, who once upon time was a good receiver, his cap it for the season after this is $59 million. I'm going to go ahead and say that's not sustainable.

And they keep doing it. And instead of taking their medicine, they're like, no, maybe we can win the division. and it guarantees you you won't win a championship. You might not bottom out, but you won't win a championship. The Eagles, on the other hand, won a title, tore it all down, took their medicine, got back to the Super Bowl. The Bears, I'll give them credit. The new people get there, they're like, we are super far away. Let's not pretend we're not.

Let's take all the dead money this year. 80 million will hopefully be really bad, get a really good. good pick, got the number one pick, have a hundred million cap space, no bad contracts left, and then go compete these teams that that act like the bill never comes due. It comes due, man. Yeah. And it's just, it's just a terrible way to run a team. You know, so I've got a belief on this. You know, I've always said this, you become your market. All great L.A. teams have some sizzle. Sure. The Green Bay Packers in the conservative Midwest run their team like a post office, right?

They're still licking stamps. They are conservative. They let Aaron Rogers and Farr push them around. It's draft and develop. They never take a star receiver in the first round, right? They play it safe. Yep. What is New Orleans?

It's America's party city. It's a good time on a Saturday night. So the Saints know what their customer base is. is. They party Saturday night with SEC football. It's LSU. We are not going to go slow and small on Sunday. The Saints are a party. Stars. And we got to be relevant. And we got to be in it. And we got it. We can't be two years of in the wilderness. Sure. And Mickey Loomis is one of the absolute sharpest personnel evaluators in the league. And he trusts himself that he's going to find four great players in the draft and not have to paint. him for four years. And when you trust yourself, Mickey's like, I'll make it

work. We got this guy. I'll get Davenport. Yes, I understand all that. But at some point, somebody needs to say within the organization, each of the last four years, our record's gotten worse. And in the last four years,

we have won one playoff game and it was against Mitch Trubisky. How close are we? And Sean Peyton's gone now and Drew Breeze has been gone. So you have Dennis Allen, Derek Carr and a stripped down roster.

I just, I don't know. I think also part of this is my own residue of that's how my team ran its business for my whole, the Chiefs, the Chiefs I believe won

more games than any franchise in the 1990s. And never we're going to win a That's true. I think in the regular season column, I think that's true. Yeah. Because they may, it was similar. It was Kansas City. Like, we've got to just be in it. People will be happy. They want this. And, and then after that, they took their shot with Montana. And then for like my entire adolescence, the Chiefs Planet quarterback was, who's the Niners backup? Because we went like Montana to Bono to Gerbach. Like that that's what they did.

Alex Smith then eventually also did it. And then they finally said, you know, because they had not drafted a quarterback in the first round, prima homes, since the Marino draft when they took Blackledge, the year before I was born. So they went 40 years, they're a little less, between drafting quarterbacks in the first round. They finally did it. And again, hitting Mahomes is hitting the lottery.

I get it. But now they're a Super Bowl away from having as many as the damn Niners. Like, I mean, it's under the franchise history. unbelievable, like how quickly you can turn. And the Saints, do you know this was floating around? Do you know the last quarterback, the St. trapped in the first round? Archie Manning.

Archie Manning. His fucking kids have retired. The last quarterback, they drafted in the first round, he's gone, his kids are gone, and his grandson's going to be the number one big suit. Like, I'm not. Again, I'm not trying to crap on Saints fans because I think it's amazing people, but I just feel like you're on a treadmill of and not as good as it should be. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged.

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They all flew out to California. By the way, I'm sorry. I just have to get this one liner in and then you can do your thing. The irony of the professional athlete, maybe outside of Kyrie Irving, maybe including Kyrie Irving, who has lectured us more on the hideousness of Big Pharma, having literally the heir of the Johnson and Johnson Farmer Corporation, woo him to come.

Like, does Aaron know he's about to go work for big pharma? I'm not sure. But go ahead. Sorry, as you were. So they went out to go see him. Yeah. And, you know, there's multiple reports. Mike Silver is somebody as part of the volume.

Mike Silver breaks a lot of NFL. It's been all over this. Yeah. He's been all over it. He had in his column for Bally's the other day kind of buried in it. Like, oh, and by the way, keep your eye on Houston with Jimmy Garoppola. and I hadn't seen that anywhere. And now I'm seeing it pop up a few places.

And I'm like, oh, that's interesting. But go ahead. So silver's been all over. The Packers are done with it. Yeah. So the Packers, the Packers done with Aaron. And Aaron made a point this week to basically crap on Ian Rapaport and Adam Schaefter saying,

they don't know anybody in my circle. So I think that scares off some reporters. So all the leaks are coming from Green Bay. And all the leaks are the exact same thing, which is, We are done with Aaron Rogers. So they are. I think Aaron to the Jets could actually be really ugly.

Now, he'll make them better. But let me throw this at you. Buffalo's got a better quarterback and a better roster. Bill O'Brien, for all his critics, was winning a division with Brock Osweider. He's a competent offensive coordinator with Bill Belichick. I and I also think Bill O'Brien's actually a good head coach. Yeah. He's also doubled as the worst general manager I've ever seen.

And so Bill O'Brien, the GM, hot out the legs of Bill O'Brien, the head coach. But go ahead. Sure and Mike McDaniel were tearing the league up to Thanksgiving, tearing the league up. Forget the rest of the AFC, where he's no longer an ascending player. He's no longer hungry. Burrough is. Mahomstall is. Alan is.

Lamar is. Trevor, these are hungry, committed to sending players. Nick, I think it's very possible. He's a third place quarterback at this point in his career. Well, so I, so let me add a different piece to it. Year over year, the best offenses pretty much stay the same unless there's a major change. Best defenses change a lot. Wildly.

So that I, listen, I think the Jets have awesome defensive personnel, but I also think it happens that a team that was the third best defense in football one year, a couple bounces go differently, a couple, you play a couple tougher quarterbacks, and all of a sudden you're the 11th best defense. Yes. So I think that they- Great point. Everyone's like they won seven games with the worst quarterbacking in the NFL. They did.

But so now what if they have the 10th best quarterback in the NFL? Okay. But what if the defense goes from winning them five games to only win? winning them three games. You know, and so I think that is absolutely in play that that same defensive personnel doesn't all, you know, have the outstanding years they had. So that's concerning. The division is concerning.

Here's what is also concerning. Do you know who the Jets play this year out of division? Mahomes and the Chiefs. Herbert and the Chargers. Jalen Hertz and the Eagles. But that defense isn't quite as high. Highly ranked. Yeah.

Of course. Yeah. And so it's tough, right? And so then there's the, so I'm conflicted on this, on a principled level. I think the, as a union guy, you know this about me. My dad ran firefighters union. I'm a union guy. I'm a, you know, I'm not management.

I, I almost hate believing this. And I'll explain what this is. Sorry, I'm building a long bridge. during the last CBA, the players wanted more money, the owners wanted them to have less money, the owner said, okay, we don't want to pay you more. How about we ask you to work less? Less offseason, less mandatory days. And the players said, okay, deal.

And I think the owners shrewdly understood, we kind of have an unspoken ally in the entirety of sports media that will shame any player that doesn't do the optional stuff. So even though it's optional and now you don't have to do it, you're going to get killed if you don't do it. So I tend to be like, hey, I don't show up for a lot of work I'm not made to, you know, I'm not paid to go to. I get it. I do feel one can make an argument. It's a little different with the quarterbacks. And it is not lost on me that the guy who held the trophy at the end of the year not only showed up to everything, organized his own preseason in Texas to work with his new receivers.

and Aaron, it skipped all of it with the Packers, right, skipped the whole off season that was optional. And then what did we see? The first six weeks of the season, they're not on the same page. And then, and I imagine this is super frustrating for Green Bay, all of a sudden Christian Watson might win damn rookie of the year by the end of it. Once they get on the same page, they're clicking. And I'm sure there's a level of, damn it, if you guys had been there from week one, if we win, one more game we're in the playoffs we win two you know and so so here's why i bring all that up if i'm the jets i really really want to know are you here for everything are you go this is a

whole new team i know you know nat hack it so you're going to know the system but are you going to spend the off season with my players to get on the same page if you are then i am much more interested than if it's a, I'll show up for the mandatory minicamp and training camp. It's too many young players and a new everything to just parachute in. I just think that is, I think that's a legitimate question to ask. And I don't, listen, I don't know, Aaron. I don't know what he's going to do. But it, it, the tendency of the last few years makes you think he's going to say,

I'm not doing OTAs. Right. I've got a hike to go on or something. Also, Aaron. doesn't like to be controlled by the media. He doesn't have an owner in Green Bay. He controls the small town media. So there are some basic built-in advantages that Aaron has been accustomed to.

He didn't go to a football power. He went to Cal. He had more power. Green Bay, no owner. More power. Pushes back heavy on the media. Why? Because he lacked power.

Green Bay, the organization, he's pushed the front office around. Here's something no athlete has in New York. True power, right? The media, sports talk, harsh columnists, the fans, talk radio literally controls GMs. It gets very reactionary. So my question about Aaron isn't the football. It's the off-the-field stuff. The paparazzi can't control them.

You can hide in L.A. in Malibu. You can't hide in New York. You have to go to Jersey and live in the football. Horace. Aaron's going to have to give up some personal control. He'll get major pushback from a left-leaning media. He's not going to get in the Midwest. And I think the football stuff, he'll be better than last year.

But New York is not going to be pushed around by Aaron. They're just not. Yeah. And I just, this is a good. Lessons may be the wrong word, but there is, people can be as high maintenance at, I try to be, and I actually, like, I think I'm not going to obviously like name names or whatever of our colleagues like industry wide, but I think people know the people that seem to have remained pretty normal people, even as the fame and everything has grown.

And the people who, in a also somewhat normal way, once they've gotten very famous and very wealthy, have started to act a little differently. And you know what I mean? Treat people differently, whatever it is. I think I will name this name in a positive way. It seems to me from my interactions, I've ever heard that Ernie Johnson, Scott Van Pelt,

are two of the nicest people in the media. You know what I mean? That treat people well, do all these things. And they're super famous and accomplished, right? You don't have to do that if you're that level of successful, talented, and valuable. But the moment you stop being quite as valuable and talented, man, people remember how they've been treated, what a pain in the ass you've been. and there's not a lot of, like, grace. Like, there's not a lot of, and people, the Packers seem to be active.

Like, if I were the Jets, I would have paused by the fact that the Packers are done with this guy. Yeah. Whether we trade for him or not, they're done with it. They have more information on him than anybody. They're like, we've had our fault. You know what I mean? It was a good run, but we're done with it. and that would be at least a little concerning to me

because I don't think he's a great player anymore. I think he's a good player. Yeah. I don't think he's a great player anymore. People keep saying he won two MVP's. He did. And then this year he was average. Not by his standards.

By his standards, the worst year of his career. By NFL standards, he was average. So very expensive. Oldest quarterback in the league, right? He's the oldest now. Brady's gone. He's got to be. Expensive, old deteriorating.

Yeah. And a lot to deal with. I don't know, man. I don't know. Well, I mean, Trevor Lawrence, Justin Herbert, Josh Allen, they're just bigger, stronger athletes. Lamar Jackson's faster. Mahomes is more accurate. Burrow is more accurate.

I mean, it happens to all of us. I'll know it at some point. I can see young, talented people out there. Aaron isn't as big as the good ones. Isn't as fast. Isn't as healthy. Isn't as committed? We have to just be honest.

Burrow, these guys are like when you watch Mahomes, he is the greatest come from behind quarterback, not by a little. Aaron doesn't have that skill. Burrow now and Mahomes are the best situational quarterbacks, period, on the planet. Josh Allen does things that even Mahomes can't do. He's physically.

He's the best physical, he's the best physical specimen. So people, they'll say some nice bills. It's not a knock. Aaron's, Aaron's six one and a half, 39 years old. And it would like be if I didn't prep for my show. He doesn't commit in the off season. So he's like a 92 passer rating guy now. Get off the bench.

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He can negotiate with no one else. Right. The non-exclusive is insulting, flatly. You can't have at 315 Eastern, it come down the wire. The Ravens are going to pay. pay Lamar Jackson $32 million. And at 355 Eastern, it come down the wire that the giants are going to pay Daniel Jones 40.

Yeah, that can't happen. That just can't happen. Like, you just, I mean, it's just a wild thing. It's like, hold on. The day before Derek Carr got 37.5, Gino just got 30. I get 32 with no extra security. And what people are like, well, they want him to go out and test the market. And do I think there might be a little collusion going on?

Very odd seeing all the tweets within 30 minutes of this story. Like, Falcons are out, Panthers are out, Raiders are out. This is a league that values quarterback so much. We overdraft them. You give Gino 100. You give Jim Jones 160. And there's a chorus of people like Lamar Jackson. Not it.

Like, hmm. This does have to do with him wanting the fully guaranteed deal. Of course, does. But what everyone seems to say is so the Ravens, because they can match any offer he gets. Now, that's risky because you can try to put a poison pill on there. You can try to, you know, structure it. So it's hard for the match.

But they can match. They want him to go out and see what his market value is. and then they'll match it. I don't understand why some people, and I shouldn't, I'm not trying to like talk shit on anyone. I was arguing with Bruce Arden Wilde about this today. Because they were talking about it in terms to me that act like there are not human emotions involved. Yeah. And if, and this is, I've never been in this situation.

I wonder, and I'm not trying to get into your old history. your business, but you might have been in something somewhat similar when you left ESPN, which was almost like, okay, you think you can go get X amount of dollars, go see if you can. Right. And if you can, we'll pay you that, but we don't think you can. Well, the moment someone says that to you, when you have been the best, the thing that has held the ship together, for five years, it's like, well, when I'm here, we win and we score 30 a game. When I'm not, we're terrible and we lose a score of 18.

And now you're like, go see if the damn Detroit Lions value you more than we will. And then we'll value you exactly as much as they do. You're ruining a relationship. Yeah. There's no coming back from that. Here's my theory on this. So the best agent I've ever had is Nick Kahn. And the reason Nick was a great agent of the many reasons.

He was a former attorney. So he was a great negotiator. and he was a former waiter, so he was conciliatory. He had to wait on people. He's incredibly patient. Never loses his cool. But when your mom's your agent, so the reason people treated me well with Nick Conn, network executives, because he had Kirk Herb Street, because he had blankety, blankety blank. You screw me.

You're screwing Nick. You're screwing 28 high-end clients. Lamar's mom has one client. Part of having an agent isn't the negotiations. It's protection. It's a vest. And so people don't... Well, it's protection on two levels.

Yeah. It's not just that they don't want to ruin the relationship with the agent. They also, when even in our world, certainly in the sports world, negotiations that the party that is, The agent's negotiating for you, the team's negotiating for itself. So the agent comes in and says, my guy should make what Patrick Mahomes makes. And then the team says, well, here's why he's not Patrick Mahomes. You're saying he's an A plus. We're saying he's an A minus.

And they tell you all the negatives. In our business, it's like, well, actually, you know, the ratings aren't this or that or whatever. But if you're negotiating with the guy, you're, insulting the guy. You're hurt like it's a, I don't, they're a good agents don't always tell you all the negative things your employer says about why they don't want to pay. That's right.

Just like, yeah, we're trying to get there. You know what I mean? But if it's, they, they protect you because they got to keep the relationship together. If it, if it's negotiating with your family or you, it's like, who are they going to say? Like, when it comes up, Lamar. we don't really trust you as a passer. They're just saying that to him. Like, you're just like talking to him and saying that.

It's so it's an uncomfortable situation. It's personal. And everyone says it's business, not personal. Anybody who gives a damn about their career, their business is personal. And the way that people show you, they value you, there's a lot of ways, but the primary way is compensation. So I've never understood this whole thing of like, oh, take a motion out of it.

It's all busy. I am not a nine to five God. Like if I, if I punched a clock left, there's no emails, nothing. You know what I mean? If I, no disrespect, I kind of think this is maybe a happier life. But I was like a postal worker. You know what I mean? It's like, hey, I come in, I deliver the mail, I go home.

You're right. Then it's not, it's business. But if you dedicate your life to something and, and you really care about it, then of course it's personal. Of course, you're goddamn right, it's personal.

And for Lamar to have them say to him, we're willing to lose you. And maybe we're not, but we will only pay you what someone else who you've done nothing for will pay you.

That's, which is also why, if I think Lamar's done there, because if again, I'm I get mixed with metaphors comparing myself, players, whatever it is. But if I think I've done a pretty damn good job in my run with Fox.

Yeah. I'm proud of it. You just said it. You just retweeted a thing. The shows are doing well. Yeah. And I've been, I've been the consistent piece of the TV show I've done for a long time.

And I hope to work Fox for a very, very long time. But if at some point, like, I was like, hey, this is what I think I'm worth. Fox's like, not even close. We're 50% apart. Not even close. Can't do it. And then Hulu was like, we'll give it to you.

And then Fox was like, okay, we will too. I'd be like, well, what do you mean? These people don't even know me and they'll give it to me. I would immediately feel like, well, they must value me more. The site without me doing anything for them, they'll do it. And that's how, if. any team makes Lamar a real offer, I think that's where he's going to want to be. And so I threw Detroit out there.

That wasn't flippant. I think Detroit could probably get a second round pick for golf. So you get some of the compensation back. They have the cap space. The NFC, think about that quarterback thing you did on TV today. Where does Lamar go to on the NFC quarterback side? Top three immediately. On turf with those weapons, they got the kid from.

Jameson Williams, was he Alabama, that he barely played this year? I like that. I'd have that conversation. There's a number of teams that should be stopping what they're doing and saying, hold on, guys. We can get Lamar Jackson. Let's at least have the meeting. Let's at least talk about it and see what it is.

Yeah, I'd be Washington would be top of my list as well. Nick Wright, football. This was Money, Part 1, Part 2 tomorrow, NBA. Thanks, buddy. No problem, of course. Volume. Make sure to check out the Dramon Green Show. I brought Dramon Green into the volume because one of the more entertaining voices in sports,

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