The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast - Reaction to Rory McIlory winning The Masters, Shedeur Sanders to Saints?

Episode Date: April 14, 2025

Colin Cowherd is joined by John Middlekauff and they react to Rory McIlory winning The Masters. They give their takes on Rory's peformance, Bryson DeChambeau and PGA Tour vs LIV Golf. They move to football to discuss why Aaron Rodgers still hasn't signed with the Steelers and if he is waiting for more teams. Tennessee QB Nico Iamaleava tried to renegotiate his deal with the school and his future is in doubt. Derek Carr is injured, does New Orleans make sense for Shedeur Sanders? Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates!  #Volume #Herd #3andOutSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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All right, welcome in. I'm off vacay. And I can't remember the last two days of a golf tournament where I was more emotionally vested in a golfer than Rory McElroy. wasn't rooting against Justin Rose or Bryson DeShambeau, who I think has done an incredible 180 rehab of his brand, where he was unlikable and now is incredibly likable, or at least more likable. But I was thinking about this, John, John Middlachov, former NFL Scout, three and out part of the volume, is that what makes Rory, we know he's a sensational talent, but he's got a Phil

Mickelson quality where you can see him buckle. You can see, I mean, when he takes that wedge from a buck 25 out and puts it in the water in the creek, you're like, bro, I hit my iron's great Saturday at Skokie Country Club in Chicago suburb. Like, what is going on? And I think what finds him, what makes Rory so likable is that he is vulnerable. And he just has, you know, four double bogies, short wedge shot in the creek. I think that just makes him incredibly watchable. Yeah, I think, you know, I think every great golfer, definitely in my life, which I've been watching for almost 30 years now. Yeah.

So like the Tiger Phil era is kind of defined by their greatness or disasters in majors. Yeah. You know, when I was a kid, Greg Norman, it was a big deal to have a shark polo when I was a kid, wear him to school. Yeah. When you think Greg Norman, you think a guy that unraveled. and Phil's. You know, Phil is weird because he's one of the greatest players in the history of the sport. He's won six majors.

He's won the Masters three times. He's won 45 tournaments. But you remember him a lot of times for finishing second. Yes. To Payne Stewart. He blasted out of bounds at Wingfoot in the mid-2000s. Taking big guts, he doesn't need to. And he's like that in life, right?

When he made the comments about the Saudis after he took their $200 million. You know, Rory's this kind of enigma because, and I thought today actually symbolize his entire career. Yeah. I mean, he had a couple shots that are like the most incredible shots in the history of Masters. He hooked the seven iron around a tree to five feet on 15. And then he missed the putt. And then he missed the putt. You know, and I can't, you know, Tiger's got this torn Achilles. He's like a, he's like a 1970s NFL player on his bed with 18 million injuries. Can you imagine Tiger watching this tournament and thinking, you know, Tiger was actually pretty boring as a champion? Because he didn't screw up. What was the famous quote like, dumb loses more than. smart wins. Tiger was very conservative. You know, Rory dunks into the water. He bogies 18 to send it to a playoff after he's right in the middle of the fairway 330 yards. Yeah. I don't know where you stood. I thought the emotional roller coaster of that three and a half hours, how could he win in, you know, in extra hole? I thought he was going to lose, Colin. I didn't,

I didn't have any faith he was going to win in extra holes because emotionally put yourself in his shoes. He had to be gutted to try to gather himself and keep his heart rate down. He probably wanted to cry. Well, it's funny because Phil Mickelson got himself into trouble because he was overly aggressive. But, and he would buckle, but it was a different kind. Rory loses confidence. You can see it. And there are times on that wedge, you're like, oh, he just lost confidence. He said it a little bit on the green jacket. In ceremony. In the room, which I thought was really emotional. But, yeah, I just, I think, you know, Tiger was such a great leader.

Like he never lost leads. If Tiger led by five strokes going into Sunday, it was over. There was one U.S. Open against Rocco Mediate, which I found that was stirring with Tiger. Also, his last master's win where he was an older golfer was stirring and really emotional. Well, Colin, 08 was stirring with Rocco because he had a torn ACL and a broken leg. I mean, I mean, he was healthy. But yeah, I know what you mean. Yeah, and I mean, I just thought the whole spectacle, it was perfect weather, almond corner, just the galleries or the patrons, the intensity.

You know, I kept thinking to myself, so Bryson DeShambeau was DeShambles. His, I mean, he had a distance issue all weekend, but he was putting great until Sunday. And it was interesting when they interviewed him afterwards, he took a little shot, a little projection. when he said, you know, I don't remember the Sunday greens being that fast because he was really off. Now, he all weekend had sort of a distance issue. Like he was long or short. But his putting kept him close, whereas Rory's wedge and Rory's irons were either remarkable or mediocre. Rory today, frankly, think about how good Rory is.

He had one of the worst shots ever, the wedge into the creek. He blew a four-stroke lead. He had a couple of puts, but he was hit and miss off the T. You didn't know exactly what you were getting from Rory off the T, and yet he won. I mean, how damn good do you have to be? If I just told you what his round was,

rough off the T, one of the worst shots ever, gag's a lead, you wouldn't think he'd win. Well, I thought, I mean, Colin, he blew a, he had a two-shot lead coming in a day. He was down one shot after two holes. I mean, it felt like, is this going to be Greg Norman or John Vandervelt immediately? Honestly, you felt bad for him. You're like, how can this happen?

But he had a couple shots today that I would say were Phil like over trees. Yes. I mean, he had one shot over a tree. Oh, the bender around the tree, another shot over a tree from the left side. He had another shot on the right side. He did get a little lucky. I mean, one thing with Augusta, you can't really hit it out of bounds. You just, there's tree trouble, but it's not, there's no rough.

So you can spray it a little bit, and there's just the golf gods are on your side. You're still going to be okay. So the golf gods were on your side. Through the first three rounds, he was the best player in the tournament by a mile. I mean, Bryson yesterday hit that like 100 foot putt instead of being down three, down two. On 18. But he didn't even play that well yesterday where Rory shot 66, 66, Friday and Saturday. And on Thursday, Rory's four under, heading into 15, hits it on two, chips it into the water.

So he kind of unravels at the end, but he had played brilliantly. And it just shows you that, like, to me, one thing that's fascinating about Rory, and I always admire the Michael Jordans, the Brady's, even the young version of Mahomes, when you win, you win big, you make all the money, and you just keep grinding because you're addicted to the competition. The Tiger was notorious for this, right? Yeah. Stevie Williams' caddy would be like, you know, we'd win. and Tiger would call me two days later and be like, I'll meet you at the range

at six in the morning. He'd be like, take the week off. And now that this gets the monkey off. Roy had already won twice this year. He won a pebble and he won the players. Now he's won the Masters. He's playing by far the best in the world. He's better than Scotty's off.

You know, Bryson, really he's outplayed Bryson twice. He screwed up last year in the putts at Pinehurst. If Roy keeps the pedal to the medal, he might not win every major, but he could win like six, seven times. He could have a historic year. You do wonder, watch the way he broke down. Is he just going to take like a month to just like not do anything?

Wouldn't blame him. But if he keeps it down, like Jordan or Tiger or those, you know, Brady Wood, he's the best player in the world right now by by a pretty wide margin, I think. Yeah. And I thought Bryson DeChamble, his game is just, you know, listen, I like golf. I played it this weekend. How'd you play? I am hitting my irons the last year as well as I can hit him.

just as well as I can hit him. You need to give Bryce in a lesson. His game feels loose, Bryce. I mean, he was struggling, getting the ball in the fairway. His wedges were hit and miss. He got it in the drink twice today. Now, his putting saved him over the weekend. But today, when his putting went,

it really unveiled the truth about his game. The putting kept him around. He mentioned it after the round. his game is just not right. Well, I think the old adage is you can talk to a fade, a draw or hook doesn't listen. And when you play that draw or hook,

one, it goes farther and it goes harder. And I know he's like, all the greens were harder. Bryson the Greens, the Masters have been the same since, you know, Arnold Palmer was playing in the 50s. They're hard, they're firm.

Your irons weren't even close. And he plays this power draw, which today turned into, the last couple days turned into a hook. He is, you know, the thing with Bryson, he's clearly mellowed out and the YouTube thing has changed his world. If he was a football player,

I mean, this guy is a blue chip out of high school, out of college. He is an elite talent, but he is, he messes with all sorts of weird shit. I mean, he's got special made clubs. Have you seen? He's a different cat. Wikipedia, Bryson Deschambeau's clubs. I was reading it

over the weekend. It's called 3D. I mean, he doesn't, he uses stuff nobody else has used. He's been very contrarian. I mean, I thought it was funny. When they came out today, the buildup was like a Tyson fight. So DeShambo comes out. He's all gladiator. And, you know, they're both power players, but Rory plays fast and DeCambo has more pace. And, you know, Jim Mance talked about this. He said, you know, putting these two together is an advantage maybe for Bryson because he'll try to

slow. You know, the slower player can irk the faster player. And Rory likes to get up, hit and go. I find Rory very easy to watch. He's the antithesis of like Sergio Garcia in his prime, where you just, it was irritating to watch him. So Bryson's not that slow. But Rory just gets up, hits it.

And again, the thing with Rory is, just how remarkable he is as a talent. To win today? I mean, he is, I think he had four double bogies. I don't know.

It's never happened before in the history of the master. Okay. I think Frank Stadler had three once and won it in 82. was the only time anyone at three. The double bogey for normal human beings happens a lot. For pro golfers, it does not happen very often, especially in a major. One can sink you. I thought it was interesting on 18, which is the narrowest T shot.

So here was Rory. He put himself in a position. That's where I was on a, so I flew in. So I watched every shot the last two days. And I was watching, you know, my plane landed basically as it, it, it, at LAX as the tournament ended. So Master's app is amazing. I watched every shot.

Just fantastic. But I found myself on the 18th, because there was a lot of tension during the last two days. But on Saturday, it's kind of like, okay, you can miss shots. It's fine. When he stepped up on 18 and he delivered a beauty, I mean, he just crushed it. And I felt like, okay, it's his.

And then in typical Rory fashion, he ends up going, going to a playoff, going into the playoff, I kind of felt like Justin Rose was going to win it. Do you get nervous anymore, anything you do in life? Like, is it often you get nervous? I don't. What would it take for you to get nervous, you think? Like, you're calling the Super Bowl or something that you,

but it would have to be something that you can actually, you know, feel comfortable doing. Right. Not me, I get nervous for my kids. I get nervous. It's the only sport that I get nervous is golf. And I felt that because I loved Phil Mickelson. And there's something about the vulnerability of Rory that just connects with me.

I've been rooting for him. And this is not anti anybody else. I was rooting for him all weekend. Well, once Rose basically split the fairway in extra holes, you're looking at Rory and you're thinking, how can you control your heart rate right now? Because you know, Rose has no pressure on him. If I crumble, I'm going to be. viewed as, honestly, it would have felt bigger than Greg Norman because you had unraveled,

taking the lead, unraveled, taken the lead, unraveled, taken the lead. I would say it was kind of unlike a situation. I've been watching golf for a long time. I don't ever remember around where a guy unravels takes the lead, unravels takes the lead, and then has a chance to win it. And then he's 18 like he did. I thought, if Roy snaps it into the trees or overcuts it into the trees, it's very understandable. And then the moment he split the fairway, I thought, okay, this, he does have, obviously Phil as well. I mean, Phil won a major a couple years ago. I was a 51 year old.

These guys have, I think we underrate, especially Phil and Rory, because Tiger sucks so much of the energy out. Like, I think Brady did this with Peyton. Like, Peyton's got a lot of resolve to him as well. Yeah, right. Rory and Phil, and then when he won it, he almost felt like usually guys raise their hands up or whatever, Roy's hit the ground and cried. Yeah.

Almost like, clearly a weight had been lifted off his entire career. that's where I get a little nervous that like, does this, does he maintain this? Because how could the same drive because of the pressure? And this has been a decade running. And think of the situations that have happened, I mean, just last year, losing to Bryson like he did. Now you just wonder, like, can he sustain this? And like you talked about the Bryson-Rory thing, I think what's pretty special about football is if you're in the same conference as your foe, you know, Peyton and Brady were both in the AFC.

Well, if you both win the division, you're going to automatically play each other every year. And if your teams are good, you're going to play each other in playoffs every lot. We get that with Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes. In golf, how often we never really got Tiger Phil. It just never happened, right, in the biggest tournaments. Yet we've got Rory Bryson twice in six months. Now, it didn't quite play out as good as the last time, but it does feel like I would expect this.

It wouldn't shock me if we got this a couple more times. I mean, this is, it was just really cool. Even if it didn't live up to the billing, like you said, It felt like Dana White should have been walking right behind him, right? The hype. And then Bryson fell off, but Rory, you just felt like the fight was still going. He's just fighting some other guy. Yeah, that was.

I mean, I think. We've seen some crazy masters, Colin. That's got to be one of the more riveting multiple stretches of a couple hours we've ever seen. Well, a year ago, I mean, we saw John Rom really struggle. He, you know, he took that live money, which is fine. I defended live guys forever. Same. I mean, again, our government is in bed with the Saudis.

Everybody is. There's a difference between blaming and judging. I didn't blame any of the guys. If you want to be judgy on them, go for it. But you'd have taken the money, too. It's like Chris Rock's joke. Manor as loyal as their options. If somebody offers $130 million, you can play half the tournaments.

You're going to do it. I did think it was interesting on like Thursday and Friday. You couldn't find Bryson DeShambo. It was like, are you guys going to put them on television? It was like, come on, guys. There is still, let's talk about this sort of division between, you know, the Masters and CBS, it's the longest running broadcast partnership in sports. It's like NBC and the Olympics, CBS and the Masters.

How intense do you think the division is? Obviously, like on Thursday and Friday, it was like, can we show Bryson de Shambo here, folks? This is getting ridiculous. How intense do you think and ugly do you think the division is between the PGA and live still? I think it's pretty bad. And I think, you know, CBS and NBC, their loyalty to the PGA tour.

I mean, they've been in business with them forever, right? I mean, specifically the PGA tour. Obviously, CBS has the masters, but CBS calls, I don't know how many PGA tour events during the year, I'd guess, 15, you know? And I think the problem is, is you're dealing with a group that, I mean, Yasser has access to a piggy bank that's bigger than any piggy bank in the history of the world. Right. I mean, they got trillions of dollars. And so, yeah, it's like they can lose a billion. They don't even notice it.

It'd be like someone losing $10. And I think the PGA tour, you know, Tiger's very involved. Well, where's his ego and his pride is based on the history of the PGA tour? That's what made him a billionaire and famous. And I think there are just a lot of egos, a lot of money on the line. And I think the tour could get very lucky that some of these guys, like no one, you know, Fox just did business with Live. And they're on Fox Sports One. I think they put the Durrell tournament, but people just aren't watching because anytime you start something new, it's hard to get people to gravitate.

I don't care who you bring over. I mean, Bryson gets more people watching on YouTube. And I just think there's a lot of bitterness. There's a lot of money on the line. Some of the guys on the tour that didn't leave are bitter because those guys, you know, Bryson got $200 million and I didn't get any. So I don't think they're any closer. I mean, I've heard them talk about this for two years now. And there's no light at the end of the tunnel because they're both balking and balking and balking.

And I think Liv goes, well, we have some demands if you're going to take our money. And I don't blame them. I think Liv wants to do a deal with the PGA tour. But they also don't want their idea that was Liv and this team golf, which golf's an individual sport, just like tennis. It doesn't mean occasionally there's a tennis tournament. I forget the Davis Cup where you play doubles. Just like there's a writer cup. We like watching golf to watch Pete Sampras play Andre Agassi, to watch Tiger Woods play Ernie Ells and Phil Mickelson, one-on-one.

That's what golf is. And I think Liv and their money loves. their idea, which again, I understand sticking to an idea, the PJ Tour wants no part of it and their players aren't going to agree to a deal that like, well, we got to play in seven team tournaments. Where they got going for them is I do think, you know, at least there have been articles and rumors that guys like Bryson and Brooks miss being in the bright lights. Sure. And there's something that live can't bring to the table.

So when their contracts end and they've made hundreds of millions, they could just come back. Right. and let's face it, if you could do a draft, right, of the PJ tour could pick one person and one person only, they wouldn't even hesitate it'd be Bryson. And if none of the other guys ever came back, Rom, multiple time major champion, Dustin Johnson, Brooks Kepler, I don't think it would be that big a deal. But Bryson is. I think they would take him.

And you can't convince me that Bryson, you've got to let him keep doing his YouTube stuff. Just acquiesce, the world's changed. Let him do his YouTube stuff. Let him play on the PGA tour. And I think everything would be fine. I think he's the key pretty clearly because he's not going away. He loves golf. Well, there's only.

He's driven. He's the guy now. At any one point in my life, you know, I've said this about all sports, baseball especially, don't listen to purists. You got them. Don't listen to purists. Speed the game up. You know, make the bases larger.

Take away the defensive shift. Don't become analytic, you know, dependent. Like, like. Yeah. So, and I feel like golf in any one time. in my life, there have been three golfers I was really interested in. And right now, the four guys, if they're on, that I'm really interested in are Rory, Kepka, Bryson DeShambo, and Dustin Johnson. There's a bunch, Scotty Schaeffler doesn't do it for me. I know he's great, doesn't do anything.

You know, Bubba Watson had a role. He doesn't do anything for me. So it just are very, it's always been about three guys, four guys, even in the Arnie and Jack days. There was, you know, there were a couple of players, uh, uh, maybe a lead Trevino mixed in there, Johnny Miller for a few years. But Tom Weiskoff, you know, Tom Kite weren't moving the needle. So I kind of look at it like, I thought this weekend was the very best of golf. You got the masters and the undulating course, which is just, and it's a picture. It's literally, it's literally a picture. It's a postcard. And then you had, as Jim Nance said, this is a journey and an odyssey in one day for Rory McElwright. I just thought it gave you everything.

I thought it gave you bad shots, blown leads, buckling, picturesque tradition. And I will say this, Bryson DeShambeau, his mood changed by about the fifth hole. I mean, honestly, you could see him, and he started hurrying up, and he tends to have a slower pace. Like, he started, at one point, one of the announcers said, like, he's just, he sort of lost his personnel. He's lost it. You could just sense he was getting really frustrated. And I don't know. I just thought it was the best final round I can remember.

I kept thinking about Rocco Mediate Tiger Woods U.S. Open. That's what kept flashing in my head. I actually think the Masters has really, really benefited the last couple of years from Live because these guys only get back together four times a year. And because of the calendar, it's the first time they get back together. And this is by far the biggest tournament of the year. Yeah. So it's the perfect combination.

And like you said, I mean, the weather. the last couple days just look picturesque. Having the superstars, the leaderboard was incredible. I just think that this tournament, in a weird way, I hate live because it's just, it's made my life as just someone that wants to watch all these guys play together. Like you said, I don't care that who makes what, I just want to see all these guys play together and it's separated them. But it's made this weekend specifically the last couple of years, I would say it's put

it on steroids. And it's hard, even for the other majors to quite feel like this one. one because this one is just the Masters has always been big it's you know every human being whether you don't even like golf knows the green jacket tiger took it to another level i do think though the last couple years with them all getting back together it feels like there's now bryson is kind of i mean last year he had the lead after a couple rounds he's been a major factor these last couple years at the masters has added an element to this tournament that you know without tiger it's just hard i mean the golf this isn't football i mean football wouldn't

be big enough. I remember being a kid, USFL, tried to take away Steve Young and Bruce Smith and Jim Kelly. Like, you need, you only have 10, 15, 20 guys that really matter. In golf, you probably only got five or six. I can't lose two of them, right? And tennis was very dependent on Federer, Joker, and Nadal for basically 15, 20 years. When I was a kid, it was Samperson Agassi, and that was kind of it. And it's like golf is not big enough to handle this divide, but the majors don't really care because they're masters in business with the masters. It works for Have you ever seen what you win when you win the Masters? So the purse this year was $4.2 million.

You get the jacket, lifetime membership, invitation forever. You get all these exclusive places, you know, that you can, you know, only a handful. But you got to use the locker room of champions, which is just all-time great. But it's one of the, it's, I think the, the only thing to me that compares to the Masters is when the U.S. Open is at Pebble Beach, where I'm literally watching. for the course. And Pinehurst is great, but I'm not watching for Pinehurst. Pebble Beach U.S. Open's feel different. British Open feels different, St. Andrews, and I think the Masters, those three tournaments. PGA Championship to me just doesn't, you know, again, if I'm

around. But it was interesting. So I'm watching Thursday and Friday on vacation. And I went in golf Saturday. I was just like, oh, I'm into this. Beautiful day, by the way, 50 degrees. Oh, it was just beautiful day in the suburbs of Chicago. but it was just one of those things where I think golf, even though you would argue it's not in a good place, it's got a lot of alphas. There's a little tension between all of them. They, I mean, Kepka and Bryson DeShambo aren't tight that you can sense.

It's pretty palpable. You can sense the tension between some of these guys, because they're all really guys, guys. They're all very male, right? And I think, I don't know, I just watched this weekend and I thought to myself, golf's in a really good place at these majors. Well, I know, you know, living in Arizona, a lot of pros live here. And, you know, I play golf at TPC where a lot of these guys practice. The live financial boom for the PGA tour and these guys has been pretty incredible for the business.

I mean, the top guys have always been rich from Arnold Palmer to Jack to Tiger. But, you know, my wife was showing an open house a couple weeks ago. with one of her colleagues, there was like four or five million dollars. And the people looking at the open house and the guy that was showing it is in the golf world and knows these people, introduces himself and realizes it's the wife of one of the caddies. And she was looking for another caddies wife. These are four or five million dollar house. The caddies. And this is not, you know, Rory's caddy.

This is a guy probably somewhere 40 to 60 in the world. These guys, I mean, Bryson or Rory net jets, you see. Yeah. The 60th guy ain't going to the commercial airport. So the wealth on the golf tour right now has never been top down. It's an incredible time to be involved as a high-end top 100 golfer. You are an immediate millionaire and your caddy's doing well, Colin. And also with Bryson being a YouTube sensation, everybody now understands there's

influencer potential putting your stuff on YouTube. So showing a little personality is okay. So I think it's, you know, they call him influencers. I think Bryson's an influencer. Like he has the ability like a Connor McGregor in his prime that if Connor was on the card, I would just go to you. I took my wife to two UFC cards. So I thought it was a great weekend.

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So I was sitting with a Packer fan the other night having dinner. My wife and I were with some acquaintances in Chicago, and they were talking about Aaron Rogers. And two people at table said, well, why hasn't he signed? And I said, well, I think Aaron deep down knows, Pittsburgh's Fool's Gold, D.K. Metcalf, George Pickens, a lot of drama. They can't get their O line right. They lost Nausea Harris and their left tackle.

I don't know if the offensive coordinator is Aaron's type of guy. So I think Aaron, if he thought Pittsburgh was the deal, he would sign with Pittsburgh. And my take on Aaron is he really wants to sign with Minnesota. And Minnesota right now has kind of bounced around and it's been a little ambiguous with J.J. McCarthy injury-wise. But I'll just ask you is, I think if Aaron wanted to sign he would, and I think he knows Pittsburgh's fraught with issues. you know, defensive culture, defensive spending, two high maintenance receivers, left tackle gone. They've had a battle line for seven years. Why do you think he hasn't signed? You know, I remember you had Danny Parkins on probably a month ago and he thought that Aaron was going to sign at Pat McAfee's deal in Pittsburgh.

And at first I thought he was crazy. And then the closer we got, I'm like, yeah, maybe it's going to happen. So I kind of expected him just to announce at that thing. And then it doesn't happen. And you're like, well, maybe this is not inevitable. And like you said, Kevin O'Connell, I think he said at the owner's meetings that two things can be true. We believe in J.J. McCarthy. And we'd also not be doing our job if we weren't showing interest in Aaron Rogers. Well, they get a tryout period, at least physically how it's going to look with J.J. McCarthy and OTA. So if you're Rogers, it's like, well, what is Pittsburgh going to do?

Even if they, Chador Sanders falls to them. They still wouldn't be interested in bringing me in. They want to win next year. Shador doesn't guarantee that. So he actually has a weird amount of leverage over Mike Tomlin in Pittsburgh. I mean, that can't feel great if you're a Steelers, like Aaron Rogers. But he has no leverage in Minnesota, which is clearly his best spot unless OTAs, you know, the coach goes, I don't know. He still looks skinny.

Maybe the offense doesn't look as smooth. Maybe physically he just doesn't look right. Right, right. So I think he can gauge if there are reports after, you know, a couple of those OTA practices, which again, I'm not acting like those are the end all. all, but from a physical standpoint, we saw him walk the sideline against the lions. He looked like he weighed 175 pounds. Yeah. And he had needed multiple knee surgeries.

I understand. And listen, I like the player as well. But you can't go off just one good experience in a preseason game for a team that if you just removed the quarterback for every team in the NFL, Minnesota undoubtedly would be a top five pick of a roster team. Right. You would take them probably above like the chiefs or the bills. Well, they just revamped their.

matters. I mean, the Bears and the Vikings both real upgrades on their O line. So we know we like Minnesota's coach and running back and wide receivers and tied end. They went and short up their offensive lines. So I think it's one of the more attractive places in the league for a quarterback. For sure. So to me, if you have any reservations, I also think if I'm Kevin O'Connell, I'd go, Aaron, we want you. And I'd even do it before OTAs, but we're offering you a veteran minimum, no guaranteed. Like, you've already made $500, $400, $400 million on and off the field. Who knows how much you've made? But we're not guaranteeing you anything. So if things ever get weird or it doesn't fit, we can both move on. You're not cost. If you really want this because you're no dummy, you know this is by far your best opportunity. But like, I don't know what Pittsburgh is even offered them. One year, $20 million or something. Like, Minnesota wouldn't even entertain something like that. One year, a couple million dollars. And if things don't work after training camp, we can both go our separate ways. But we're not being stuck. But we're not being stuck. but I wouldn't fault them for being interested just because we have seen enough now with, you know, most of these rookie quarterbacks go to really shitty teams, right?

So it's like, even if you have a bad year, whatever. Trevor Lawrence's first year with Urban Meyer, he got like a pass. It's happened twice now. A guy's been drafted really high and gone to a team with like legit playoff expectations. Trey Lance was higher than Caleb, but Caleb had pretty big expectations. And then it was just, it's a lot of pressure, a lot of stuff going on. That is J.G. McCarthy. I know he's a second year player, but he's technically.

like Blake Griffin, right? He didn't play his rookie year because he tore his eight knee. You're a rookie, you know, on the field. Like that, you can't have much more pressure as a first time starting quarterback that's 22 years old. That's never played. Kevin O'Connell is not Kyle Shanahan. You watch him in those, the game against Detroit and the playoff game. He's calling pass place. Yeah. He wants to, he's McVeigh. He wants to, and Andy, he wants to pass. J.J. played in a running office. Remember when they beat Penn State and they didn't hand the, they, they didn't pass the ball in the second half like the Michigan handoff handoff handoff play D that's what he's used to doing yeah I I think there's real concerns there and I think Aaron's smart to just I would wait to the drafts over

I want to see where the chips fall I don't want to get burned like Kirk cousins and I'm going to sit around if I'm Aaron and if I don't get the right offer I got a 200 million bucks in the bank I'm done I think Minnesota definitely is still on the table so do I there's okay I want to talk about this because this got a lot of pushback this week weekend. So Tennessee is a very young quarterback. And he was making about $2 million. They were paying him $2 million when he was redshirting as a freshman to not play. And his name is, and I'll just call him Nico. He's got a long last name and I don't want to butcher it. So I watched him play three or four. No, I probably watched him play four or five times last year

against the better teams. He was a young quarterback. Not overwhelmed, but not a, not a, Not a, you know, misses open receivers. He's not should do or accurate, but he's also not draft eligible right now. He's going to grow. But he's a really nice talent. He's slender. He moves well. He's got a decent arm.

And my take is, so he comes out this weekend and basically doesn't show up to practice. And says, I want four million. And Tennessee, to their credit, is like, listen, we're not going to play that game. We're going to let him go. And I thought it would have been very difficult to hold out, not show up to practice and come back. So I think the volunteers made the right decision as a program to say, listen, this isn't going to work. This is a bad vibe.

This is bad locker room smell here. We're moving on. I totally agree with that. But I wasn't necessarily bothered by the move because it is April. And coaches now are fetching $12 to $13 million in college football. So if a top quarterback wants four, I'm like, I'm not going to hate the player. You can hate the system. You can hate NIL.

but I think this is I think this is what we're going to see. This is the way the game works now. I don't think it'll hurt him in the NFL. I think eventually if he has a great ear, people will draft him. Everybody needs quarterbacks. Nobody cares.

I mean, Caleb Williams had some emotional stuff people didn't like. Johnny Mansell had all sorts of it. There'll be a team that'll draft him that needs a quarterback. What do you make of the kid doing it? What do you make a Tennessee's reaction? I forget the kid's name, but there's a pass rush around South Carolina, the Gamecocks, who looks like a clowny or just like a, you know, Miles Garrett, that in the middle of the season, they're like, they had to up what they were going to pay him.

And again, true freshman, he looks like he's got a chance to be like a number one overall pick. I have no problem when you're an elite player renegotiating. Happens in pro sports all the time. What happens? Who holds out in the NFL? Micah Parsons, Nick Bosa, right? Justin Jefferson, Jordan, Jamar. Chase. This guy did not have a good year. I'm with you. I watched a lot of them last year because

Tennessee was good and they were in the mix. Had you heard of them in high school? He was one of the highly touted guys in L.A. Oh, I think he was the number one quarterback, I believe, out of Los Angeles. So I watch all those guys tape on YouTube. Again, moves well, lively arm. I thought as a college quarterback, his accuracy was against, and again, I only watched the Tennessee games against the better teams, very hit and miss. Down the field. very hit and miss. But again, my takeaway is, okay, he's like a registered freshman. I'm okay with it. Well, here's my issue with the whole thing is all reports have it. It's his dad. You know, they say pigs get fed, hogs get slaughtered. Like you said, he got four years, $8 million without ever playing a snap.

Where a lot of coaches, Kirby Smart does not give those type contracts to high school kids. A lot of the top coach, because it's not good business. Tennessee did because I think he was like second or third overall recruiting the class, Arch was one. So I mean, the high. The hype was big and that he got paid for it. I think he threw 20 touchdowns last year and only nine of them came in the SEC. He was not good in the SEC and against good teams. So to try to renegotiate off a bad year to me's bad business. Yeah.

And Dan Lannning turned them in essentially like, hey, you're getting played. And I think some of these coaches, because again, he's not that good. If he was viewed as a camp, if he was draft eligible right now, he's not getting drafted in the top 100 picks. It's all projection and potential, but not off actual play. And his dad, again, I think it was like 2.2 he was scheduled to make this upcoming year. What if this is one of those? I forget the NBA player, but he opted out and he thought he could get like $80 million, and ended up getting like a one year, $8 million.

What if he can't even get a million dollars in the transfer portal? Because some of these coaches are going to go, well, he's a little overhyped, one, and we're going to try to make a statement for our business. That's why Dan Lannin called him, right? This is, because they're like, this is insane. It'd be one thing if he was making $100,000 and like, hey, the going rates of $1 million, a couple million dollars, would totally get it. His dad, by all accounts, leading the charge, someone needs to give that guy some business advice, get Drew Rosenhouse. Because I think it's bad business.

No issue if you're an elite player. If it's Drake May a couple years ago or Ashen Gentie, guys that could transfer and totally get it. This guy was completely underwhelming, Colin. This guy was, it's why I think Tennessee and most people university are like, this is. is nuts. This is just dumb business. Two and a half million dollars to play average football in the SEC. They were a defensive team last year, which is ironic because Josh Heipel's their coach, right?

Yeah. And if Josh Heppel's the coach, you would think it's one of those things where like when Shanahan couldn't make Trey Lance work and the Cowboys gave up a four, it's like that's bad GMing. Josh Heipel, you would think, would be able to get the most out of this kid. I think one of the things the NBA, I never understood this about the G League. So let's not pretend this is the 50s, 60s or 70s where basketball players are all starving, you know, coming into college basketball. They're not.

It's a suburb sport. AAU kids, the good players are all getting taken care of. Even before NIL, kids were getting swag, chefs. They're getting treated great. Money. Yeah. So I never understood kids. kids that went to the G League instead of going and playing for a top six program where you're

on television 25 times. I know Zion because he went to Duke. Would you rather take $400,000 for the G League or $300,000 or take $35 million of free marketing and advertising for Duke? And people say, well, they didn't grow up with a lot of money. Again, it's a year. You're not asking them to take a seven, eight year hiatus away from money. This is not like this is not, I mean, again, great AAU basketball players are getting taken care of. So I kind of feel the same way about the dad here. I don't blame the kid. But it's like if you have one good year, if you come back to Tennessee and have 30 touchdowns, eight picks, and you move well,

you will be a first or an early second round pick next year because there's arch manning will go number one after that there's about five guys and they're all in the same class it depends how the season goes so i just think the dad lacks a certain self-awareness which is understandable a lot of these dads a lot of human beings would not have any clue or knowledge what to do in this situation if i was one of these people that had the opportunity to to make millions of dollars. And now in this world where I can get real representation, I would have Tennessee, hey, could we get in contact with either CAA, Rosenhaus?

I'd want someone real negotiating my thing. And I would imagine they're like, well, Carson Beck just got $4 million. Well, two years ago when Carson Beck had Ladd McConkey and Brock Bowers, a lot of us thought like this guy could be a first round pick. Yeah, I did.

Really, really good year. Now, I think most of us also thought Miami's kind of crazy. But some of these numbers to get thrown around, No one truly knows what's real or not. It's pretty clear. Like it was concrete.

This guy signed an $8 million four-year deal. And if he came back in three years, he will have banked over $6 million in a no-state income state. I don't know where Tennessee, like I don't have a great feel for their roster right now in April. I would guess it's a top-10 roster in college football. And we've got a pretty good chance to compete. So we'll have to see where this guy ends up.

But it doesn't feel like Oregon and Ohio State are just lined up for the kid. No. So if he ends up losing money, not only would it be a bad business decision, a football decision, Tennessee's got to be on the short list of great places to be a young quarterback playing football in 2025, right? Listen, I've learned over the course of my life is the young media oh sides with the player. Oh, yeah. Because it's a good story and all the narrative, they don't come from anything.

We don't know that. Again, if you're the number one or two or three high school football quarterback in the country, you're getting taken care of by a lot of people. So I just think it's one of those situations I don't blame the kid And I think when I watched him I thought oh yeah I can see it I mean he's got talent

But And I will say He's got no feel for the pocket He doesn't That's the When you watch Like you can say what you want about Shadur Sanders He has a feel

He's an accurate throw over the football Under Dress Like you can tell he's quarterbacked a lot And also Shadur is not a great enough athlete To make extra yards running around he's had to make hay in the pocket. By the way, his dad, Dion's smart. He's told that kid,

kid, you want to get rich? Don't be a runaround guy, sit in the pocket and throw darts. I mean, Dion knows what the hell is going on. So when you watch Shadoor Sanders, you can clearly tell that he can see the field. He's super accurate. This kid's just talented.

Huge arm. Yeah, but I, you know, I do think the family needs to take a deep breath because, I mean, if he's great, he'll get drafted. I don't think he's great. I just think he's talented. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news.

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on the iHeart radio app Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts presented by capital one founding partner of iHeart women's sports okay NFL story here so there people are talking about you know to do her standards it's not a very sexy draft but there was a Derek car story this weekend. And I'm thinking, okay, that's where Shadur is going to go. So Derek Carr apparently may not play this season. Did I miss the injury?

Did I, was this? I read the story and I thought, I watched their games last year. I know he was banged up. Were you surprised at all by that story? I saw some of the Saints guys saying that that they didn't think it was as serious as being played out and he just had injured his shoulder

I think either last year or two years ago. I wonder if this is a classic week or two before the draft. You're trying to get some information out there so someone jumps you, right? So players fall to you. I would be a little shocked. Again, if I'm with you, if something that happened that we don't know.

Because immediately, like, that's a pretty big deal. The other thing is they kept him on the roster when they could have cut him for $40 million. You would think that they would have a pretty good idea the health status. I just think a lot of times the two weeks before the draft, you just got to be very,

very careful with the shenanigans going on on stories being leaked about, it's why I never have an issue. And I know, former players get really worked up like when an anonymous GM says something about a player. It's like, guys,

there's no love and war here. This is an absolute war zone to try to do whatever you have to do to get the player you want. No one remembers this stuff in a couple months. Most of this stuff is all just kind of BS anyway. It's part of the game that's played in this business

that everyone's getting richer than they ever thought. Players included. So it's like nothing's that bad. Shador, like everyone knows he's not a bad guy or anything. So when it's like he acted a little weird in the combat, things like that get said every single year. And the overreaction, rinse, wash, repeat. It's like everyone just calm down.

The Derek Car thing felt a little like a draft story being thrown out there to try to get people to manipulate spots, maybe the saints leak it out to try to get someone to throw them. I don't believe much that's happening right now over this last week. Now, I also think, I think the NFL is very turned off by this crop. You know, because typically you feel really good about 10, 15 guys in their draft. And listen, I like Ash and Gentie. People think I'm being critical.

When a 5-8 running back from Boise State is considered the third best talent in your draft, you got problems. Yeah. You got, and listen, I really like the player. I think taking a 5-8 running back, when it's one of the deeper drafts at that position would be insane for any team in like the top 20. That includes the Raiders, the Cowboys.

He also played at Boise State where we saw him against Penn State, not all his fault. It's hard to like his greatness, you know, is he Barry Sanders? Well, if you're going to take him in the top 10, he better be Barry Sanders versus disaster. Because the last couple guys get drafted high, Christian McCaffrey, Barclay, B. John Robinson are not 5-8 kids from Boise State. And again, really good player.

His year was awesome. I do think the hype on this guy to draft him really high speaks to two things. One, it's just, I think teams are like, well, all these players, we don't think any of them are good. So we might as well take this little guy who is least good. But historically, a 5-8 running back, honestly, going in the first round, Colin, is pretty, it'd be borderline unprecedented. It does not happen very often. No, I think, I've theorized, John, that about 10 years ago when there was the C-T, and the concussion stories that the media just pounced on. And they were certainly worthy stories, is that the NFL had a real concern on their hands that they started targeting moms.

Remember that? About 10 years ago when the NFL started targeting women. And it's really helped. They've increased their female audience significantly. And that's great. That means, you know, I mean, it's like more people to love football, the better for you and me. But during the CTE, when they wrote that almost billion dollar check,

the NFL had a mom problem. And that was about 10 years ago. I know I'm imprecise, but it was around there. Yeah, like 14, 15. It was, you're right. Yeah. And I've talked to youth coaches, and turnout has been down. Now, not in Texas, maybe, Georgia, Florida, Ohio, but turnout is down.

And I'll throw this out there. This is the first draft because kids would have been, remember, they would have been eight. Mom's kids would have been eight. Now they're 18 or no, kids would have been 12 when you start playing football. Now they're 22 outside of college, right? So if you go 10 years ago, the 22 year old is getting drafted, 21 would have been 11 and 12 when you start playing tackle football for most kids. And moms are like, nope, nope. Now, some may have been convinced over the last decade.

there's been a lot of rule changes, there's fewer concussions, the game is safer, there's less hitting. But if you look at when that story started, 10 years ago, the kids in this class were 11 and 12 years old. And this is a casualty of that CTE two-year story is that a lot of moms just said, we're not doing it. My son's not playing football. And now, there may have been fathers as well. But I have friends in Los Angeles. I have a friend that lives west of the 405, which is kind of the nicer area of L.A., the Ritzier area. And he's like, he goes, I'm rare.

I want my kids to play football. They transfer out of here. They go to school out of our zip code to go play football. He goes, but I can almost find no parents where I live in Brentwood, my friend, where the kids play football. They all play something else, golf, tennis, basketball, baseball, something else. So I'm going to theorize that this is not going to be normal. We're not going to have bad drafts constantly. But will it become a little bit more like the NBA

where about every third or fourth draft you look up and go, yeah, there's about seven, eight great. I mean, the NBA last year's draft was weak. I mean, bad. If I asked you and you're a sports guy, name five guys in the truck. I couldn't, no, no chance. So, I mean, the WNBA draft was more memorable than. the NBA draft.

So I just think, I don't remember in my lifetime a draft with this level of star power. That it has like three, if it not for Shadoor Sanders, we, I wouldn't be,

it wouldn't make my show very often. I'm going to need a little more data before I agree that that, I'm not saying that you're wrong. I do think like, look at this draft. It's going to be, there are a lot of offensive

and defensive linemen that are going to go in the first round. Yeah. Those human beings can only do so much, athletically, right? They're not going to play baseball. They're going to gravitate toward football physically. You can dominate, right? So it's not shocking. One thing that has, I would say, changed, and we're never going back. I know they say sports ebbs and flows, but forever, I remember we did something probably like seven, eight years ago in Newport, like a Fox Eyeheart get

together. I remember coming down there, and Carson Palmer was there. And you look up and you realize that, and I remember going to a lot of radio games when I got in the radio, and that the quarterback of his generation. Philip Rivers, Eli, Rathsburger was on the higher end of athleticism, but most of them were NBA-looking human beings, 6-5 to 6-6, but couldn't move. And Tom Brady said this. I could only play one position in a high school football game. I couldn't play any other position in the prime of my career. And Carson Palmer, those guys can't beat any human in a foot race on the field, including the linemen, not even close.

Those guys don't exist in the draft anymore. all the players at quarterback. So is that guy, is he now playing golf and pitching in baseball? Where for a while, maybe he gravitated toward football and now he realizes the coach only wants Nico Emilala because he can move around even though he can't play. But he's a good athlete. And you look at all these college quarterbacks. I remember going through Arch's class, Jack Arnold, I think he transferred from Oklahoma.

He's at Auburn now. But the whole group were athletes. None of them were like, Jared Goff is really the last of a dying brief. When you look at the top quarterbacks in the NFL, obviously the top dudes are all athletes. Lamar and Josh are better, but Mahomes, Herbert can all move. Then the Jalen Hertz, even Purdy can move around. There is not a golf. Even Baker now that he slimmed down and got older, he's much more of a move around guy.

It's Stafford and Goff for the last two pocket quarterbacks. But when Stafford was younger, he had much more mobility. He would have been on a better athlete than like a Palmer or an Eli. Right. That human that was always a number one pick or a Philip Rivers, a top five pick, he just doesn't exist in football. But that athlete still exists. There's still going to be the 6-5, 17-year-old kid. Is he just throwing 98 and going to Florida to pitch? Or is he going to Arizona State to play golf? Maybe he is, but he's not playing quarterback anymore. And you just look at the history for my entire life, 80s, 90s, 2000s, that guy littered the top 10 in

drafts, the 6-5 quarterback from school X that couldn't really run but had a big arm. And not just the first round, like he got drafted throughout the draft. He just doesn't exist playing football. You and I watch a lot of college football. Who on a good team in college football are a good prospect can't move? Even Drew Aller, who's a questionable prospect, but can move right a little bit. And he's on the lower end of athleticism for college kids. I mean, USC has a young quarterback that got from UNLV.

And I mean, his greatest asset is that he moves. He's not a guy that to this point in his career, he's very hit and miss. I'm kind of surprised how loyal Lincoln and Riley's been to him. But he does move the pocket. And I think that does give the smart offensive coaches about 25% more playbook. And I think it's an absolute advantage. That's why Stafford is so good because he doesn't get movement, right? Like you have to win from the pocket and Matt can do it.

Jared Goff has to win from the pocket. That's why, I mean, if you asked every coach in the league right now, I know it's only one year, John, if you asked every coach in the league, next 10 years pick a quarterback, I think that'll take Jaden Daniels. I think that's the kid they look at and go, well, five of the years, I don't have to pay him. He moves exceptionally well. He's scary, bizarrely poised in accuracy. Like I watched this year, and my take is this is not recency bias. This kid in fourth down, high leverage, overtime,

Last drive of the game, this shit is in, he's just intuitive. Like he just understands. It's innate that you can't teach some of that stuff that kid does. Well, I think what's made Lamar such an awesome player is he was a mobile guy that has morphed into this hybrid. He can play in the pocket and kill you. But he wasn't like that early and he's become that. Jaden, I think a lot of people thought like this athlete got immediately he's like awesome pocket passer who also can just take off and move around. Not quite like Lamar, but kind of.

And yeah, I just, you're always going to have to win from within the pocket. But I think now college, you only get to pick, you know, Parcells used to say like the grocery store is college football. That's where we pick the ingredients. Well, college is only giving, look at the national championship. Historically, when you think Ohio State and Notre Dame, you think like pocket quarterbacks, both those guys were sprinting around. Will Howard had one of the biggest runs in the game. Yeah. Will Howard can play a little bit from the pocket too,

but he's an athletic guy. That's why when they got him from Kansas State, you're like, is this going to work? Chip wants a mobile guy. And then by the playoff run, he's like really throwing well from the pocket. But that's all college football is the mobility, which is good.

No one's being like I wouldn't want Patrick Mahomes, but like it still works with Jared Gough. And like if you put Peyton Manning or Tom Brady at 30 years old in this league, they would be just fine because they get rid of the football, really quick. But you watch college football, no one plays like that anymore. So I do wonder if that is morphing into the kids that play football in high school. Because if you're a high school coach, I don't watch much high school football, but it does feel like all the top recruits are all like

moving around. Yep. They are indisputable. Have you gone on your honeymoon yet? I have not. We kind of, we were in Nashville for like a week, so I just took a deep breath. Yeah, I went to the Bahamas for six days. And it was nice. It was not too hot, not too crowded. It was nice. But I told my wife this, we like walking in our neighborhood in Chicago. I said, this sounds crazy to say, but I grew up in the Pacific Northwest and I currently reside in Southern California most of the time. And I said, I know everybody's dream is to live in Hawaii and the Bahamas. I couldn't do it. The food's too inconsistent. The transportation is hit and miss.

It was really an eye-opener. I really had a good time. And Anzo was fun. But I told her, I said, like, if you had to have your condo redone or your house redone, where are you getting high-end tile work? So I asked a lady that was in the business, and she goes, well, when we built this hotel, we, you know, we shipped in, we shipped in workers. And it was just funny being, and again, it's gorgeous.

the Bahamians are wonderful people. It's safe. I mean, go there. But I told my wife, I said, I get tired of aqua water. After about four to five days, I'm like, I need cloudy skies and 57 degrees. And I know that sounds crazy for a guy that lives in Arizona,

but I said, I could never live down here. And I have great respect, but I'm like, it's just, it's not quite organized enough for me. I need my big city. I need my A plus transportation, and I learned that about myself this vacation. Yeah, you know, Maria thinks I'm kind of crazy. Like, I love to work because my work, I'm not digging ditches here. Like, I could do it seven days a week.

I don't know, 365. Yeah. But I'm like, I view myself, like, I'm 40 years old. Like, what else? I watch football talking about sports. Like, I could do this nonstop. I told Ann, after four days, I'm ready to talk again. Yeah.

I really, really enjoy. what I'd and I've always kind of been like that whatever I was doing because I just kind of followed what I like to do. We love Nashville and there is a pace though with the South that is a little different. Listen, I'm not. There are things with the wiring of people that are from the Northeast that are a little different than me. But I did like the way they pace, which is 100 miles an hour everywhere. Same. And there's always elements of that like of there's a California cool.

to the West Coast, but there is, like, you better be quick. Like, when I want the check, I want the check. Like, I need this. We like things quick. And there are parts of the country, like, the word retirement, I love golf. I mean, I enjoy playing it. I love watching it, like talking about it. I can play two days in a row.

It's like, I can't, I'm done. Like, I'm good. Yeah. You know, some of these people like, they can just play golf over and over. I'm not one of those people. And I love, I had so much fun Saturday. I played with in-laws. I had a ball.

And I could have played. the next day. But then I would want to get, you know, it sounds, I'm not, I don't consider myself a workaholic, but it was really interesting being the Bahamas. And we went to two different hotels. The people were wonderful. But that, there is. And I went to Turks and Kekos about four or five years ago with my kids.

And it was more fun then because the kids were all there and watching them enjoy it. But it is interesting. I do think there's people down at listening to us think, oh, you didn't have a good time. I had a great time. But it was really an eye opener to me is like, now I'm 60, right? So, like, I think about stuff like this. And I'm like, no, I'm going to retire in a cold weather climate and then cherry pick occasionally gorgeous beaches and resorts. But I'm like you.

I like the pace of Chicago. I like the pace of Boston. I like cold weather cities. There is a, I don't know, like getting up walking in 48 degree weather, putting a cap on is something I really enjoy doing. and with a coffee in my hand, and I just, I really discovered it about myself this week. I'm probably opposite.

I, the cold is something that I like the pace of the Northeast, I hate the cold, but I don't mind the heat. Yeah. Like I can go on a walk in 110 degrees, no problem here in Arizona. And like you said, I live in a desert now for several years. The water, even when I lived in the Bay Area, I wouldn't really call that the ocean.

Yeah. You know, it's not like you go to the beach. Honestly, for me, like, one thing golf's been really good for me. this area is like meeting people and socialize and I've met a lot of like just high level people that I would not have met without it. That value to me in a place where I, when I moved here, I don't know anyone here besides like through Maria has been really valuable.

So many people that have listened to the podcast, reach out, invite me to their club or what, just, just meet normal people. And it's, it's a very comfortable situation like, hey, you want to come play golf, never met a human. You show up. You typically have a pretty normal interaction as someone that spends a lot of time by himself in an office watching and talking about sports. It's good to socialize, but I'm with you.

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