The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Colin Cowherd Podcast - Rodgers Hurt, Allen Regresses, Reaction to Jets-Bills, Week 1 Reactions With Steve Keim

Episode Date: September 12, 2023

Colin reacts to reports saying it’s likely Aaron Rodgers tore his achilles during the first drive of his Jets debut, has a theory on why Josh Allen is regressing in Buffalo and tips his cap to Robert Saleh for rallying his team to a win after losing their star quarterback. Then, former Cardinals G.M. Steve Keim stops by. He and Colin break down Monday Night Football, discuss the Jets options going forward, and debate whether defensive head coaches are going to be at a disadvantage when it comes to winning games and even getting hired. Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates! #Herd #Volume See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Older players generally struggle to recover as quickly as younger players. Aaron's now, what, 39 years old? He's also got bags full of money. I mean, you know he'll work hard to rehab. but for younger players rehab, there's some optimism. You heal much more quickly. Your body does older players. It's a longer process.

See, across your fingers on that, but it is likely he has gone for the season. Let me tip my cap to the New York Jets and Robert Sala, though. Considering the emotion of the night, 9-11 in New York, Aaron Rogers debut, an incredibly special night in New York City in MetLife. For Aaron Rogers to go down early, suck the wind out of the stadium to insert Zach Wilson who has struggled a semi-bust-to-bus

for the Jets and to win that football game little hero ball but Zach mostly played within his game within structure they ran the football I thought they managed the clock

well at the end of regulation wasn't turning the ball over I thought that was incredible coached to lose not only a starting quarterback, but Aaron Rogers in a jet debut, the emotion that was pulled out of the stadium. And yet, Sala's team was composed. They fought. They played within themselves on offense. They ran the football, I thought, pretty well. Tip of the cap. The offensive line is a work in progress. They will have their hands completely full at Dallas next week.

that game's going to speed up very quickly for Zach Wilson. That is not a game. I think he'll flourish in. But you have to give the Jets credit. And listen, the schedule's brutal. Zach Wilson at Dallas feels like an L. Zach Wilson then at home, but it's Belichick who he struggled with. Then it's Kansas City. If they lose to the Jags and her O and two, they'll come into MetLife pissed. Then it's at Denver, Philadelphia, by week. Giants feels good about it, but then it's Justin Herbert. Then it's at Vegas and Garoppolo, at Buffalo, Josh Allen. Then it's Miami. So a lot of high-end quarterbacks where the Jets will have the second best quarterback on the field if Aaron Rogers doesn't return.

So, you know, before I knew the outcome of Aaron Rogers, before I did this, I'm thinking, listen, if they can get Aaron back in a month, that overtime win. Because you go 0 and 2 in the NFL. The Jets lost tonight, go 0 and 2, lose to Dallas. you have only an 11% chance to make the playoffs. 0 and 3, it's less since 1990. So I thought the overtime win was substantial for the Jets, but I just don't, I look at this roster, and I just see too many good quarterbacks

week after week after week. And I think you can have limitations defensively in this league and get to Super Bowls and get to conference championships. It's hard to have a lot of offensive limitations. Zach Wilson and the AFC is not close. to a top 10 quarterback. The offensive line, the tackle positions are a problem. Tight end is average. I think they're receiving court. Garrett Wilson's a remarkable talent. What a catch he made. But overall, it's a pretty lean group. They can't afford an injury. On the other side, I have real

concerns about Buffalo. Josh Allen in college at Wyoming was a wild, talented pony, just needed to be coached. Goes to the NFL first year. Out of control. Talented. Bit of a mess. Brian Dable sandpapers him, becomes an MVP-level player, cuts down on turnovers, mechanics improve. So I watch him tonight, and I see a quarterback who has regressed. Three picks, a fumble, not sliding, mechanics have regressed, too much sidearm crap, did not execute very well at the end of, I thought, regulation, poor clock awareness. He skipped a couple of passes in the game. Josh Allen looks like he needs coaching.

think coaching matters. Go look at Kyle Shanahan as a coordinator to Matt Ryan made him MVP. All right, you look around this league. The best defensive coordinators, Dan Quinn in Dallas. You don't think he matters? That cowboy defense is sensational. So when I look at Buffalo right now, they're in a bit of a quandary. Miami is a sizzling offense. Belichick's defense is tough. And Mack Jones is better than people subscribe to. The Jets defense matches up very well with Buffalo's O-line. Even Zach Wilson tonight, you know, late in the game, moves the ball well enough to get him in field goal range. Buffalo has a defensive coach. Ken Dorsey had a good reputation, but Josh Allen is back to wild. Mechanics are regressing. Decision making was poor.

I just, just, I don't like what I see. Windows are small for Super Bowls. You know, you lose a coordinator, they shrink. You don't have a second dependable receiver, they shrink. You have a key injury or lose a defensive player to free agency, they shrink. Von Miller's out. Shrink. So I don't like, I don't like, it's not just the game tonight. Because they now, they face the Raiders. They'll be favored, and I would take them. Though don't listen to me. I was 0 for 5 in my Blazing 5, but I think they'll play very well against the Raiders. But I don't like what I see with Buffalo. I don't like the direction they're headed in. I thought the Jets were more composed, getting a backup thrust into the starting role with arguably a worse offensive line.

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It's not good. So a torn Achilles on, is that out for the season? season generally? Oh yeah. Yeah. Unless something happened where, you know, that it's still attached to some degree, more than likely, and I've torn my Achilles. It's a nine to 11 month surgical process. Oh my God. That is gutting. And generally the second year coming off on Achilles is really tough because it's a, it's even worse than not, in my opinion, and I'm not a doctor, obviously, but, you know, the ACL is a tough one to come back from right away. But the Achilles is really, really, really difficult. Does it make it worse because he's an older quarterback 39? No question about it. I mean, obviously, and I said this at the end of my, you know, career as a

general manager. There was no secret that older guys got hurt more often. And then now a sudden you're coming off that. It's going to be a grueling rehabilitation process. And that is also probably going to test how much he really wants to come back and loves it. That's a great point. I've had to talk to pro athletes. Rehab early in your career, it's a very optimistic, a hopeful process. It's a very negative process late in a career, especially when you've got 100 million net worth. It's hard. I mean, did you see the mental aware on players, older players that had to overcome rehab? Oh, yeah. You know, it really was grueling for those guys. And like you said, a lot of the financial stability is a big difference for those

guys because they don't technically have to get off the couch anymore. You know, they, they, they had the flexibility to take some time off and to let their body heal. In this situation, to me, what's really deflating, as much as the physical part would be to me a little bit about how he's going to deal with this meddling because there was so much excitement, being in New York, getting a fresh start, you know, being on hard knocks and all that was made of it. And, you know, he looked like a rejuvenated guy on the hard knocks to me. So now to see him take this step, setback and, you know,

Who knows how it pans out for the team, but it's obviously, you know, if Zach Wilson can give a gritty performance each week like he did tonight, that's outstanding. But is that going to be really good enough, Colin, to win enough games? Like, really? You know, Zach and Aaron both have excellent arms. They can both move. How much of the offense do you change? I mean, let's be clear here. They relied on the run tonight, and I think they would have, to a large degree, if Aaron would have stayed in the game.

Yeah. How much, I mean, as a general manager, you tell me, would you go down to Robert Sala? You know, do we need a trade? What can I do for you? What do you think the team dynamic, the game plans would change for Hackett? I mean, I think you're going to have to get a pause from the head coach and the offensive coordinator. Can this guy really do it for us? Obviously, bringing an errand, he was going to be the key to, you know, sort of put them in that predicament to be in the Super Bowl this year.

And now that they lost them, I mean, how critical. is that. It reminds me in 2014, we were 8-1, Colin, and I had just given Carson Palmer a three-year extension on a Friday. That Sunday, he tore his ACL. That year we went to the playoffs, but without

Carson Palmer, we had no real chance. Ended up playing with Ryan Linley after Drew Stanton got hurt. So a very exciting year for us, the way we started at 8-1, ending up a losing our franchise quarterback after, like I said, extending him for three years was really, really

pit in my stomach. And I know the whole city of New York, I have to feel for them, you know, to feel like they got the guy. And hopefully it's not as bad as being reported. But you're going to have to prepare, particularly now with the second quarterback that if Zach Wilson goes down, but it's going to change the game plan. I mean, it's, you know, Aaron Rogers, I guarantee you was so involved in those discussions about what they were going to do schematically. Now Zach Wilson is a much different predicament. And they're going to have to sort of tighten the reins up, try to run the football a little more effectively. and just hope that that defense can continue to keep them in games.

Well, an incredibly emotional wild night. I said in my preamble, considering, you know, 9-11, the emotion in the city, Aaron Rogers debut. I mean, it was a tense evening. Aaron goes down and to put in a backup who didn't get a lot of snaps with Aaron, because Aaron's trying to get all these young receivers aligned with him, and to force Josh Allen into four turnovers, I thought they ran the clock, used it very efficiently in regulation. I thought Sala and his staff, Steve, considering, you know, the timing of the

injury, you're kind of, you know, a curveball is completely thrown at you. And I've got to be honest. I thought they played really under control. I thought Salah deserved credit. That was my takeaway. Your thought on just the Jets win. Yeah, same, Colin. And what a start to Monday Night Football. Wow. So many storylines and excitement tonight. You know, the one thing that I'll say is, I think you nailed it. Coach Sala did a great job, especially jumping back from the adversity they had to handle at the beginning of the game. I mean, after you lose your quarterback after the fourth snap, I mean, how hard is that for a team, you know, knowing that the stadiums sort of deflated? But I think the story tonight is the New York Jets defense.

and quite frankly, I think the best quarterback that played for the Jets was Josh Allen. Yeah, you know, it's interesting. So you remember very well, Josh at Wyoming was a wild, out of control, but talented player. First year in the NFL, much the same. Day Bowl sandpapers and refines him. I got to tell you, now he's been away for over 12, 15 months from Dayball. His mechanics, a lot of sidearm stuff. He's not sliding.

Impatient. Steve, did you see? I mean, coordinators matter in this league a lot. We saw what Kyle Shanahan did to Matt Ryan. I thought Josh was impatient tonight and sloppy at times. You know, I agree with you 100%. And really disappointed, you know, particularly his second half performance. I mean, a guy that can improvise like that with his legs, with his arm, all those are great qualities.

but if you can't play under control and you can't have the attention to detail that's necessary for that position to succeed, you're going to be put in a tough spot. And tonight, turning the ball over four times, the way they played in the second half to me is just unacceptable. So offensive coaches were four and one against defensive coaches this weekend. And I've been critical on this podcast and on the air about Josh McDaniels, who I think needed Daibble. And I think he just, I just think defensive coaches don't have the same sensibility. Even, you know, even Bill Belichick naming a D.C. as an O.C. It's felt tone deaf to me. And I think Bill's a genius. But, you know, last draft, they drafted three guards and two kickers. And they're one of the slowest teams in the league. It's like, Bill, come on. The world's changed there. It's pivoted to offense. Are you concerned at all about if you look at the end of last year, if you look at the playoff game, if you look at tonight, teams, you know, these windows are tight where you have the perfect staff.

Leslie Frazier now, I'm out. That concerns me. Stefan Diggs. Steve, just, I don't love the vibe right now with Buffalo. Am I overreacting to it, you know, from last year to this year? You know, I don't think so. I think that, again, you said it best. You know, when he had Brian Dable, I sort of think that he did the right things with him

and put him in a predicament where he could have success. not only schematically, but what he asked him to do. Now I think they're in a predicament where they're going to sit there and look and say, listen, you know, you have got to take care of the football. And that was his not coming out. I went and saw him play several times in college and loved his talent and his skill set, which was obviously on display tonight at times. But then when you get careless with the football and you make some of the poor decisions

reading the field, it is going to put you in a tough predicament to win any football game in the NFL by turning it over four times. Yeah. I want to touch on. on two or three other stories over the weekend. You looked at Brock Purdy at Iowa State, a multi-year starter. I've always said he's coachable and capable. And then I watched them against Pittsburgh, and he moved better than I thought.

This was he didn't train much in the offseason with the elbow surgery. And I looked at the game plan that Kyle Shanahan implemented on the road as an underdog against the Steelers. They threw the ball down the field. They were hyper-aggressive. I didn't think Pittsburgh had nearly as aggressive a game plan for Kenny Pickett, a first-round picket home. Go back to your scouting on Brock Purdy. Obviously, Kyle Shanahan matters, but did you like him? Are you surprised at what you're seeing?

I thought he was tremendous on the road. I think everybody would be surprised, considering the fact that he was a late-round pick. I mean, and worst case, for me, even, he grew up about 10 miles away from here in Quake Creek, Arizona. So he's a local kid and obviously doing amazing things. But he's the typical guy, Colin, in the scouting report that we all pick apart. Not big enough, not alive enough arm. Doesn't have the skill set you look for. Plays within the system, we call it.

Well, that's a really good thing, you know, to play within the system and to be able to be coachable. What he has done is miraculous. I mean, he has been phenomenal in every way. His patience, his accuracy, his timing, his anticipation. all those things that, you know, are really more of the ability to see the field and to make the quick decisions. Same thing that, too, is doing in Miami. Another guy that doesn't have all the great physical traits, but is doing a lot of good things seeing the field and playing with anticipation. A lot of things Kurt Warner did for us, another guy that was not overly gifted physically.

You know, it's interesting, Steve. We tend to think kids go from high school to college and then they really blossom. look at Aaron Rogers. I remember when he came out of Cal. He was mechanical. Tom Brady. Eric Mangini laughs. They used to bet money on the side that he couldn't make certain throws. Brock Purdy. I think sometimes, and I'm guilty of this, we forget, these are not finished products. You know, a Trevor Lawrence or an Andrew Lockar. Kyler Murray, obviously, is gifted. But a lot of it depends on where you land. And, you know, I mean, you land with Kyle Shanahan. You know, you've had offensive coaches, Cliff Kingsbury, Bruce Ariens, Ken Wisenhunt.

I do think in 2023, an offensive head coach is an advantage. Steve, I totally agree, Colin. And I think for a number of reasons, I think number one, just from the standpoint for me, of what you said, you have success with Daveau and Josh Allen,

you lose dayball. Now all of a sudden you're starting over again. To me, if you want to have sustainable success, and that's, to me, something that the chargers have to look at. If the charges want to have sustainable success with Herbert, they have got to figure out what they can do to put him in the best succession to win football games. Because right now is his brand.

And to me, again, when you lock up a good offensive coach with a good quarterback, for years you can have sustainable success. But if you don't do that, you're going to lose a good coordinator if your quarterback's having success. That's right. And so if you're a defensive coach, those offensive coaches are getting the job interviews that defensive coordinators are no longer getting. So if Kellyn Moore, after two good years with Herbert, if he's not given that job, he could go back to Dallas. He's going to get a head job somewhere. So to your point, you hire the offensive guy, your coordinator leagues. I still get an offensive guy in the room running the show.

Sean Peyton Russell Wilson, here's what jumps out to me. I saw a study recently that it said opposites may briefly attract, but they looked at these relationships over 10, 20 years. and they said they don't stay together. You have to have commonality in a relationship, same music, same food, same sort of vibe, your sleep patterns, do you eat healthy? 80 to 85% if you have commonality, those relationships last. We just say opposites attract. They may attract.

They don't work together. Russell Wilson's personality is the opposite of Sean Payton. Sean Payton is critical. He is harsh. He is, I love him. He's funny. He's authentic. He's really.

He's sometimes inappropriate. Russell's polished, refined, almost overly optimistic and hopeful. And my takeaway is they're opposites. It works with wins. These close losses, I watch this weekend. I'm not saying Steve that Russell's washed, but the game plan underneath, it was as if Sean didn't really trust him. You know, I'm not saying watched, but there's so much.

any great players, the Lamar's and the Herberts. I didn't see a lot of juice, and that contract's 48 large next year on. Are you concerned at all about the relationship, the personality, the limitations? I think you nailed it. I'm a huge Sean Payton fan. I think he's one of the best coaches in the National Football League and certainly one of the best play calls. I think Sean, just personally, and this is just my opinion, is going to have very little

patience here in this situation. You know, like you said, they want to make it work? Obviously, the financial demands and the contract that was put in place is going to be putting him in a very tough position or the club in a tough position. But at the same time, knowing Sean Payton, knowing the competitor he is, knowing the football mind that he has, I think the amount of patience that he's going to display. If this continues, it's going to be very, very short. One final point. Was there a week one performance good or bad that shocked you, Steve Kine? Oh, 100%. Jordan Love. I mean, you know, I don't want to say he played a flawless football. game, but you know, you would have thought, in my opinion, that maybe that's where

Chicago would have been, where they would have, how they would have had a little more time now with a quarterback situation, Jordan Love was sort of the unknown. I was a guy who didn't really know if I believe it. I mean, again, it's one game, but in this one game sample size, he did some really good things. Yeah. You know, I will say this, offensive coach, good old line run game. They scored in their first possession and the first possession of the second half. much of that, Steve, about Jordan Love was, I said this today, quarterback in the NFL, it's calculus, and it always helps to have a good tutor when you're a young person with calculus. And it's like the Packers, you know, Lefleur, the O line, it's like they have a really good

tutor. I feel a little bit like Justin Fields. It's a little hero ball. He's on his own out there, defensive coach, O-line struggles. And I'm not banging on Matt Eberfluse, but again, the offensive coach you're also you're taking over for a franchise with a winning momentum right right like I feel if you're going to defense

nowadays Colin if you're going defense and I know there are some outliers out there but if you're going a young defensive coach nowadays he better be a special leader right like a game changer like Dan Quinn I think will get another look I think he's really yeah I think

Dan Quinn I thought Brian Flores was really good his personality is very brusk Yeah, I think you, I mean, there's some guys, obviously McDermott's been a very successful coach. Mike Tomlin has leadership skills. But I think to your point, if I was a general manager, listen, this sounds ridiculous. But I think Brandon Staley, listen, that's the number one defensive payroll in the league. They have a bosa on the edge. They are third worst team in the league.

So you can't score 34 points and get outscored and be the defensive head coach. You know, that's not good. They're a terrible third down defense with a bosa on the edge. Like that's just, you got to get people. That's just like a gift from the heavens. You get a bosa on the edge. There's only two of them. They're both great.

Like, right? It's like guys, fellas, you got to get off the field. They can't since he arrived. Steve Kime, appreciate you coming on. Thank you, my friend. Talk soon. The volume. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy,

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